Rocket Modules & Space Stations.

[sour magnet]

what the... what is happened?

[rancid adder]

I had stored a lot of hot hot uranium

i was deleting a tile when it saved and it dragged along my map and i didnt see one of them and they deconstructed a tile

[edgy tendon]

How difficult it will be to make a teleporter for rockets and packages on starmap?

[dawn cairn]

not that hard if you mean sth like a stargate / transorbital accelerator/jump gate

[edgy tendon]

exactly

[dawn cairn]

the hard part would be integrating it into the routing system (no Idea if thats even possible)

[dawn cairn]

had an idea for a space station exclusive science.

[clever badge]

how it will be gained?

[dawn cairn]

atleast thats my current idea

the first research will be unlocked via analyzing a space artifact

then you feed refined metals into a special building thats placed in a space station, metal quality defines research amount/speed whatever

(basically a niobium sink)

but also possible with other metals

[clever badge]

Alternatively, you could have particle collider research (just idea)

[dawn cairn]

true that

[clever badge]

Aim beam at metal block and there u get your research

[dawn cairn]

the only requirement I want that science to have is that its tied to space stations

[clever badge]

Will ponder on that

[dawn cairn]

another idea I had was a special telescope placed in station

[clever badge]

Having real life example of what is impossible on earth, James Webb telescope

Yeah was just typing that lol

[dawn cairn]

and this game needs late game resource sinks

there is the tree for food, but nothing for mass in general or electicity

[clever badge]

How about both, ionize heavy metal atoms and smash them in particle accelerator for research, use both metal and huge amounts of power that has to be transported into station.
Justify it by particle accelerator and detector not being viable on asteroid because of its magnetic field

And make it huge because of shielding against radiation from space (dont forget cooling for superconductor)

[dawn cairn]

idk if making a new complex science should be a resource sink

bc at one point the research is done

[clever badge]

Hm maybe repeatable research then? Or it producing something unique as byproduct

[dawn cairn]

hmm

I think the game could profit of something like the ticket system in *satisfactory

[clever badge]

Some exotic matter in small quantities

Sorry im not familiar with factorio gameplay

[dawn cairn]

sorry, meant satisfactory

basically you can donate (delete) your resources, based on rarity you get tickets (with some diminishing returns)

the sink location in oni could be the tear

[clever badge]

Yeah but how would it work in oni, drop it into temporal tear

We think like one man

[dawn cairn]

send rocket, resources in cargo bays (+ base value of rocket parts or sth) get converted to resource

the tricky part comes with making that resource worth something

and consumable

the sleeper story trait is a good example- you always need a steady supply of journals to keep up the buff

[and i need to stop trying to recreate factorio Space Exploration mod in my plans]

[clever badge]

So we are turning temporal tear into giant trash bin

[dawn cairn]

basically

[clever badge]

It has its merits, nothing wrong with that

[dawn cairn]

but refining resources into something makes them worth more, so more "point" / kg of resources

[clever badge]

So not just raw weight

That is harder to justify with space trash bin

[dawn cairn]

it shouldnt be a "trash bin"

[clever badge]

Then it needs to be limited in how much can be thrown in per cycle

[dawn cairn]

or it just closes afterwards for n cycles

so either you reopen it via tear opener or you wait

[clever badge]

That is great idea if u can manage it

Can u close and open and close temporal tear multiple times trough mod? Might be hardcoded like teleporters

[dawn cairn]

it has a simple boolean if it s open or not

the cinematic is triggered by the tear opener and the ClusterPoiManager

ah no

its actually started by the achievment

when thats unlocked

[chrome grail]

”study the effects of no gravity on critters and duplicants”
If the dupes dont consent, their pets will

[sour magnet]

God damn that is a lot of stress

[dawn cairn]

large liquid cargo bay

also that research icon is wayy too overdone :3

[edgy tendon]

I was kind of right when I thought it was either very badly painted or made to look like starry space.

I do not intend to offend, but from afar this beauty is hard to see

[dawn cairn]

I know, kinda sad

[sour magnet]

you can just circle it with white

something like this:

[sour magnet]

is the liquid tank next?

[dawn cairn]

that is liquid

gas next

[sour magnet]

oh sorry

"attentiveness"

[dawn cairn]

had that before, looked bad

[sour magnet]

oh ok

[clear elk]

i would probably go with pure black or dark blue. when zoomed out, those stars will get lost

[dawn cairn]

yeah

its prob. either going to be pure black or some sort of black to dark purple gradient

[dawn cairn]

the menu is also looking very satisfying

[rancid adder]

im now even more hyped for space stations

[sour magnet]

WOW

[willow umbra]

Me toooo !!

[sour magnet]

how much space for gas/liquid/solid things in huge tanks? what are huge tanks made for? are they for some kind of storage rockets?

[sour magnet]

im too

[dawn cairn]

50t,50t,30t for solid, liquid, gas

and yes, cargo rockets are the target

they have the height of 1 small+1large cargo module while having more capacity than these combined

[dawn cairn]

so if you want to ship huge quantities of 1 type of material - huge tanks are more efficient

[dawn cairn]

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/145375-starmap-performance/

apparently that can already happen with normal map size

[sour magnet]

also what is with landing legs?

[dawn cairn]

on hold till after stations

[sour magnet]

ok

[chrome grail]

i saw what you did with the stations
pretty cool

[pine oasis]

Are space stations in the rocketry expanded mod or a different mod?

[dawn cairn]

same mod

and that particular guy made a space station constructor module on a version where I forgot to hide it

[pine oasis]

Okay

[dawn cairn]

its mainly in a state thats not crashing, but nowhere near finished

[rancid adder]

sads

[sour magnet]

happy new year!

[narrow hawk]

is the space stations accidentally unhid again? mod updated earlier and now theres unlocalized research for the module

[dawn cairn]

ah fk

ye

thx for notifying

[narrow hawk]

i think ive done that well over a dozen times when working on minecraft mods lol, probably makes it easier to spot from practice

[chrome grail]

did you build the module

[narrow hawk]

nah i didnt have the banks to unlock it lol

[chrome grail]

rip

i was asleep when the update came out so no space station on my other saves

[dawn cairn]

wasnt unlockable anyway

the tech took deep space science

and thats unobtainable

[willow umbra]

Sgt I found you mod idea about rocket utility
Buildings, and I think it can be useful in rocketry expanded

[dawn cairn]

that's usually the case if both mods affect the same area of the game; eg. rockets

I didn't want to add that to RE since that would expand the scope of the mod too much, it already adds; new modules, new module types, fuel loading, reworked rocket building menu (amongst other qol things) and soon™️ space stations.
adding these buildings would expand the scope, which was solely focused on Rockets and their modules viewed from the outside, to actual buildings that, even tho they would be designed for rocket interiors, could be constructed anywhere, it wouldn't be "rocket module and rocketry tech" anymore

hence why I see such buildings in their own mod

[hardy forge]

wouldn't 2 mods that change rocketry crash the game?

[dawn cairn]

wym

1 adds buildings that are designed for rocket interiors, the other expands on the module variety

and even then, rocketry expanded is build to support other rocket module mods (sadly there aren't that many, the only ones not from me is ethanol engine and food storage module)

[hardy forge]

no i mean like if one mod changed the way a building worked and a mod also changed the same building wouldn't the game crash?

i'm no modder but i'd like to learn what breaks the game

like how Rocketry expanded changes the max capacity of the large solid oxidizer tank say another mod changed the max capacity to a different amount would that break the game?

[dawn cairn]

if both are implemented correct one would override the other

[hardy forge]

but which would it overide?

[dawn cairn]

since thats just changing storage capacity in a postfix

[dawn cairn]

thats depending on which patch is put first

that one gets overwritten

[hardy forge]

so it applies one mod first and then the other

[dawn cairn]

yes

[hardy forge]

that makes sense

[dawn cairn]

and such a modification would just be grabbing the storage component and overriding its capacity

[hardy forge]

ok

[dawn cairn]

I'm not sure what defines the path order tho, it might be related to mod load order

(then again, that can be overwritten via harmony patchorder keyword such as patchfirst/patchlast)

[hardy forge]

oh so thats what that does

i saw somthing like that in a crash log

[dawn cairn]

finally, fixed small oxidizer tank anim

[dawn cairn]

t h i n rocket

[dawn cairn]

that one seems to have broken not so long ago, in solar swamp update it had an anim with the top part being 3 wide (atleast judging from that one screenshot I found)

[sour magnet]

interesting

is this sucrose engine?

[dawn cairn]

ye

I fixed the oxidizer tank animation

[dawn cairn]

so the top is no longer flat 5 wide

[sour magnet]

ok

[narrow hawk]

the fuel loaders are so nice. i think id use this mod even if it only had those lol

[hardy forge]

oh, i forgot about that

[narrow hawk]

suggestion: ladder rocket platform spacer

[dawn cairn]

small liquid fuel tank; 3 height, 450kg capacity, large one for scale

[dawn cairn]

wym with that, some sort of gantry?

[narrow hawk]

like the insulated rocket platform thing to connect platforms and loaders/unloaders, except its just one tile wide and ladder

[dawn cairn]

that thing as ladder?

[narrow hawk]

yeah

[dawn cairn]

will get better art tho

[narrow hawk]

lookin good

[dawn cairn]

a new platform that has an extra logic output that mirrors the rocket checklist categories (and the shifted logic ports from the reinforced rocket platform)

[narrow hawk]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2544278649 somethin like this?

[dawn cairn]

somewhat similar but not exactly the same

it mirrors the rocket status categories from top->bottom to left bit-> right bit

first bit is "path to space cleared", second is "rocket construction", 3rd is "cargo state" (cargo+fuel) and the last bit is crew

also I do not replace existing logic outputs, but add an additional ribbon output

(also the logic ports here are shifted outside of the rocket exhaust cone similar to the reinforced platform)

[dawn cairn]

its blue - like the wires :D

[narrow hawk]

oo

[dawn cairn]

some updates on the space station construction menu

tech tree glimpse (numbers and names not final)

best name ever

[clear elk]

Tech unlocking space research cannot require said research

[dawn cairn]

this is intended

[clear elk]

so... how will you unlock it?

[dawn cairn]

researching a space artifact will always yield you a point of deep space science

that way, rn you need 3 space artifacts to unlock space stations, I may reduce that tho

[clear elk]

and then?

[dawn cairn]

my current idea for dee space science is that each research point of any type will also yield a low amount of deep space science, higher science tiers give more

[clear elk]

or rather - and how do you reach 200 of those?

[dawn cairn]

as for the 200, thats a filler number

[dawn cairn]

addition to that:

only science that has been conducted INSIDE a space station will yield that

"mirroring" how astronauts on the ISS do experiments in zero gravity to gain new knowledge

[clear elk]

tbh I don't like it, it feels... boring... especially when compared with the rest of your mod full of creative ideas. Analyzing space artifacts sounds much better

[clear elk]

loose idea - you can simulate 0 gravity with wind tunnel and use it somehow in your design

[dawn cairn]

hmm

[clear elk]

not sure if that's a good idea

[dawn cairn]

I want to tie it to something that has to be done inside the space station

[clear elk]

but it is AN idea

[dawn cairn]

but also that there are multiple ways

[clear elk]

yeah, that probably would make more sense

[dawn cairn]

so doing "regular experiments" aka normal science inside it yields some

so you are encouraged to build a science setup inside

[clear elk]

since orbital lab uses recipes you could define your own recipe for that research

[dawn cairn]

good idea!

[clear elk]

it's still reusing ideas and not sure if it's most unique thing, but it is something

[dawn cairn]

readding the carousell as a science building

[clear elk]

yeah, that would work as well

[dawn cairn]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee - new science unlocked

[clear elk]

is space station buildable or discoverable thing?

[dawn cairn]

constructable

allthough I have plans for some sort of derelics

[dawn cairn]

this is the build screen

orrr I could add arcospheres lol

[clear elk]

add what?

[dawn cairn]

Arcospheres are the source of deep space science in Factorio Space Exploration

[clear elk]

oh, I didn't play that

[dawn cairn]

its a bit of brainfuck getting that science set up

because you only get a set amount, but they dont get consumed but "change polarity" with each recipe

and you need certain polarities for certain recipes

(no Im not adding them)

[clear elk]

still, I fear that reusing orbital lab or other research will make your cool research points less fun that it deserve to be. Like - why call it deep space research if you could just increase orange research cost and use it instead?

[dawn cairn]

ye

had an idea about telescope usage in some way, but that also feels boring

[clear elk]

maybe you could study some items that can be randomly mined from POIs and/or fall with meteors?

I like the idea behind artifact analysis, but those are limited

[dawn cairn]

yep

[clear elk]

(unless you made them unlimited)

[dawn cairn]

teapots for dayz

I think that could mess with the "collect 10 space artifacts" achievment

[clear elk]

I will take liberty of writing here if I had some idea in the future

oh yeah, it would totally mess with that

so probably its wrong either

[dawn cairn]

cant even ask the chatbot :(

[clear elk]

this is how our society will fall - somebody will ask AI how to boil an egg for breakfest, but it will be out of service and everybody will starve to death

[dawn cairn]

got the chatbot working, it had a similar proposal

[dawn cairn]

further ideas I had:

• using machinery and/or specific (rec) buildings inside the station increases it

• plants growing in space that get harvested yield it "researching plants in space"

• artifacts give it in some way (im set on that one)

• having a dupe living inside the station (one continuous cycle yields a point)(based on research of microgravity effects on the body

• space research lab recipe -> uses more than 1 space material (f.e. resin; fullerene; niobium)

[hardy forge]

hmm

interesting

[dawn cairn]

• derelict research: visiting a relic (broken rockets, satellites) yields relict parts, these need to be brought back to a station for analysis

(basically a form of 'lesser artifact ' that gets consumed in the process

[dawn cairn]

as a variation of that: create a probe mini station(no interior) that sits on the derelict and generates the research, being depleted after a while and needing replacement

another rather simple approach:each space tile scanned yields 1 point after the initial science has been unlocked

[narrow hawk]

my vote would be a specific station lab that shares anim with one of the rec buildings or smth similar

[clever badge]

Satellites could extend mission control station range for nearby rockets

[dawn cairn]

checked the code, it doesnt :D
klei added saveguards against duplicates counting

[hardy forge]

kind of like the draedon stuff from terraria calamity mod

the derelict research

[dawn cairn]

haven't played exomech update yet

[hardy forge]

its good

but difficult

[chrome grail]

just wondering, how would rockets "dock and refuel" at space stations? The docking part is just using the docking bridge but will refueling need another fuel loader or will it use the existing one?
(btw cool docking animation)

[dawn cairn]

the docking components in the space station have ports for cargo+ fuel loaders

[chrome grail]

so the small door in the middle is like an launch pad?

[dawn cairn]

yes

• you can construct additional ones

[chrome grail]

so thats what the placable docking door was for

[dawn cairn]

yes, you can have multiple in a space station

[edgy tendon]

What if you make space station on the hex with poi?

[prime hedge]

I think it's would be interesting. But for coding perspective it's gonna be a nightmare. What if space station could Orbit around the inner ring of a asteroid?

[dawn cairn]

no orbiting.

there is a limit of 1/hex

[chrome grail]

you used to be able to spawn an space station inside an planet

super useless anyway

[prime hedge]

Ah nevermind

[chrome grail]

if you mean move the station like every cycle that would just be an PITA

[dawn cairn]

I had a system in mind that you'd need to fuel station thrusters each cycle a bit, otherwise the station would start drifting into the nearest planet, eventually crashing down

larger stations would require more fuel/cycle for this upkeep

felt too tedious so now there's just a flat 10 station limit atm

[prime hedge]

I still wonder what the station interior would be. Accessable to solar panels?

[dawn cairn]

empty space with 1 "core" docking port in the middle

[prime hedge]

A lovely

[chrome grail]

32 tall so no goofy rocket shenanigans

[dawn cairn]

30 for small

and you cannot land inside the space station

[hardy forge]

dang

hehe

can you still build spacefarer module in space station for more room?

[edgy tendon]

Space station interior counts as rocket interior, so you can't build rocket platform inside it.
||without blueprints mod||

[dawn cairn]

correct

[hardy forge]

hmmmmm

[chrome grail]

wait you can do that?

hold on im gonna try to place an blueprint

[dawn cairn]

do I really need to add a secondary selfdestruct check on launchpads

[hardy forge]

more drilling?

[edgy tendon]

Why does the chain spin in the opposite direction?

[dawn cairn]

to find an answer, you need to Rock and Stone

[edgy tendon]

And drink 4 cups of Smart Stout at once

[dawn cairn]

its more a "take a closer look at the drop pod"

[chrome grail]

it looks like something that shoots the stuff you mine back to an planet

tbh

[edgy tendon]

those things don't even moving

[chrome grail]

um imalas

you might have

left “it” on again

just saying

Soo.. space artifacts huh

[dawn cairn]

u mean the beta?

ye

idc

[dawn cairn]

look at it when it leaves the cave at the start of the mission

[chrome grail]

god 200 artifacts

this is gonna take an long while lmao

theres really no other way to get deep space science is there

[dawn cairn]

there will be

then again that beta is for twitch integration testing lol

[chrome grail]

i literally got 3 rockets all repurposed to just collect relics

collecting space relics is an cool idea just dont make it 200

[dawn cairn]

geez

the numbers arent for consumption

lol

[chrome grail]

lol the idea of relic hunting is whats keeping me from starting like 10 more worlds so tysm

[dawn cairn]

there is also a station cap now and stations cost resources, its just not displayed yet

(also you dont get your resources back yet on demolishing)

[dawn cairn]

oh, and the terrestrial (ground) artifacts found on other planets currently yield 2 points

[chrome grail]

yum

im just wondering how that would work

[dawn cairn]

more rare

non renewable

not automatable

[chrome grail]

like if i analyze an relic without researching an tech that needs deep space science does the science point just delete itself?

[dawn cairn]

no

[chrome grail]

or are you gonna add an new buildiing for that

[dawn cairn]

science points accumulate on the first science that requires it and is not full already

[chrome grail]

ohhhh

thats intresting

[dawn cairn]

Im also playing with the idea of a building that allows you to melt an artifact

so you get science points twice

[chrome grail]

study the effects of neutronium being exposed to space

so basic relics (space stuff) give one point and ground relics (from ruins) give 2

[dawn cairn]

but the second process would delete the artifact

so a way to not clutter your base with the filler artifact you start getting from space (was it a cup? idk)

[chrome grail]

yep anyway i still got to get super coolant and get to the tear so ill just leave 3 radbolt rockets to collect artifacts

[dawn cairn]

how many science points do you have rn

[chrome grail]

0

i got uhh

5 relics otw

in rockets returning

[dawn cairn]

these are the resource costs btw

[chrome grail]

niobium?

nice

[dawn cairn]

I might add additional space resources for the large one (it uses thermium atm)

like f.e. 300 kg of isoresin

[chrome grail]

graphite maybe

not much stuff uses graphite so it might give it an use

[dawn cairn]

heh

[chrome grail]

balanced as all things should be

[dawn cairn]

I can update the beta files to one with reduced research costs if you want to test faster

ok, its changed to 3, 20,30 now

[sour magnet]

god this looks so cool and usefull

now we waiting for laser one

[dawn cairn]

no

laser is already more efficient than normal drillcone

its just slower

but the missing need to make diamonds makes laser way too convenient in comparison to normal drillcone, so normal one falls off in usability

this new module adds 1.5t of diamond capacity and 20% speedboost to the normal drillcone

that way, if you want to mine "many resources fast", you need to make diamonds, but its a lot faster

if you just want some passive but less labour intense space mining, you use laser drill

laser drillcone can fill 1 full large cargo bay with materials

drillcone+this module can fill one of the giant cargo bays I'm adding (not live yet)

[narrow hawk]

does the radbolt fuel loader fill laser drillcones?

if not i feel like it should

[dawn cairn]

It currently doesnt, same how normal drillcone doesn't get filled by normal loaders

Probably a nice qol addition

[narrow hawk]

maybe a utility loader for drillcones, trailblazer mats, rover mats, etc?

[dawn cairn]

I integrated drillcones into the normal material loader

trailblazers shouldnt be automated tho imo

[narrow hawk]

fair

[dawn cairn]

since thats a one-off thing

oh, and the radbolt loader is now for any radbolt storage (rocket, normal radbolt storage, laser drillcone)

atleast it should be, Im currently writing the speed boost thing, gotta test the radbolt thing soon

[narrow hawk]

meaning the cargo loader so i have to turn diamonds off of my cargo bays to use it?

[dawn cairn]

yes

the drillcone takes loading priority

[narrow hawk]

so the other option would be a meter

[dawn cairn]

a what?

[narrow hawk]

conveyor meter valve thing

[dawn cairn]

ah

[narrow hawk]

other idea: artifact unloader. im kinda tired of having my dupes climb into the exhaust pits to grab them lol

[dawn cairn]

👍

[sour magnet]

👍

actually, it would be cool if drillcone can be filled using diamonds from cargo bay, and for laser drillcone too (from radbolt storage)... but i think that it would be too op

[dawn cairn]

2 op indeed

[dawn cairn]

both at the same time was buggy

[edgy tendon]

I watched at it when starting the mission at space rig, when it leaves and when departing at the end of the mission.
But nvm

[dawn cairn]

(the design implies that it uses the spiked tracks to climb back out)

[chrome grail]

thanks ill instal it later today

[chrome grail]

nope points are broken

i think its because you need points to be able to get points

you might want to move the ability to accumelate points to another tech

[dawn cairn]

nah, its not linked to that, I just broke sth else

[chrome grail]

lol

got this from analysing an relic with the first space station science selected

if you were wondering

[dawn cairn]

lemme uhhhh

investigat

lmao

1 wrong word

[chrome grail]

oof

[dawn cairn]

or more like

a postfix instead of a prefix

aight, updated the release, SHOULD no longer crash(i didnt test lol)

[chrome grail]

github?

[dawn cairn]

yes

oh, youll also have the new module, but its still bugged

[chrome grail]

the drilling module?

[dawn cairn]

y

[chrome grail]

that dosnt look right...

[dawn cairn]

what happens on reopening?

bc looks quite normal

[chrome grail]

nothing happens when i analyses an artifact

it just drops and cleaned artifact and databanks

research dosnt go up

[dawn cairn]

it helps adding a "apply points" in that method ......

[chrome grail]

lmao

[dawn cairn]

now it should apply the points

(also the drillcone addon module works now)

[chrome grail]

oh also i forgot to mention

the drillcone addon is pretty much useless on an radbolt engine

even with ai rockets

[dawn cairn]

ik

thats not its purpose

[chrome grail]

i finally have an reason to get petroleum engines

[dawn cairn]

the purpose is to be used on petrol or h2 rockets to fill up the giant cargo bays

(that are currently disabled)

[chrome grail]

oh ok

[dawn cairn]

1 module (+ drillcone) can mine 50t of material

[chrome grail]

50!?

damn thats alot

[dawn cairn]

normal drillcone alone can 20t

laser drillcone is 27t at half the speed

[narrow hawk]

cool!

[dawn cairn]

lmao

[narrow hawk]

mood tbh

[dawn cairn]

that update is out since december

I forgor💀

[narrow hawk]

extra mood

the amount of things ive released in my time that are like that, lol

everyone does it

[chrome grail]

oof

game really dosnt like researching relics

just totally froze

[dawn cairn]

imma check it tomorrow, too tired rn

[chrome grail]

no crash message yet

ye you should get some sleep

[dawn cairn]

send me the player.log file via dm

[sour magnet]

ok, but where i can download beta to test it?

[dawn cairn]

if you go on my GitHub, there is a releases button

it is hidden in there as a prerelease

[pine oasis]

Does The nat Gas engine have a higher range than petroleum? Or is it equal?

[dawn cairn]

it has a higher base range than the small petrol engine ( with 15 tiles), but it cannot be increased (via fuel tank)

(it also needs oxidizer btw)

[west umbra]

YOOOOOOO that looks siiiiiiiiick

dude you are so good at spriting

a skill that most modders absolutely suck at

[dawn cairn]

lot of practice does that
also in comparison I'm by far not as good as Aki or 3GuB

[sour magnet]

do you mean these not translated chinese mods?

[dawn cairn]

tbh thats mostly one guy pumping out "mods" like their life depends on it, last time I checked >85 mods and almost none of them worth installing

but at least some of them allow you to play the game in slideshow mode

[edgy tendon]

It's like: I can't play this game, so I'll make my own

[sour magnet]

wdym (sorry im bad at english)

[dawn cairn]

there is one chinese guy that has >85 mods. just sort by new in the workshop and go for those that dont fit oni theme

its most likely by that guy

[prime hedge]

Judge by his crazy output I don't even know if those mod even work in game

[dawn cairn]

most "do" since they barely do anything

[prime hedge]

I mean why 🤣I felt sort cringy to put a anime type stuff in game that have very opposite art style

[sour magnet]

This guy?

[dawn cairn]

since most are just "I found this one component on a building and modified it"

[dawn cairn]

yup

don't install the 0° mod

[sour magnet]

?

[dawn cairn]

there is one mod called "day after tomorrow or sth"

[sour magnet]

Oh god he has so much mods

AND THEY ALL DONT FIT IN ONI STYLE

[dawn cairn]

in that mod he took the component from the dev-lifesupport cup that equalizes heat in a small radius around it, added it to the printing pod and upped the radius to 400

[dawn cairn]

this means:
Every cell in the world gets its temperature updated 5 times a second

have fun with that slideshow

[sour magnet]

oh my god

Well he has some good mods like hide air wents

[dawn cairn]

also most of that guys mods contains an unmerged plib, so that will fuck up other peoples mods if they depend on a newer feature

[dawn cairn]

(but I dont think he's able to understand that)

[sour magnet]

oh god

i think he doesn't understand how mods work

[dawn cairn]

most likely

yet still he throws them out like candy

(and clutters the "recent" tab)

[prime hedge]

Does steam have a feature to filter out a certain artist?

[dawn cairn]

sadly no

I tried

[prime hedge]

Sorry but I'm don't wanna clogged on my face

Sadge

[sour magnet]

Im so happy that another mods are not like that and fit oni style

[sour magnet]

but where is your github?

[dawn cairn]

found on all mods on steam

[sour magnet]

ok

twitchbeta?

what the fu– is twich imposter????

[dawn cairn]

y e s

[sour magnet]

HUH????

THIS IS SO SUS

[dawn cairn]

some twitch integration shenanigans

[sour magnet]

ok.........

[dawn cairn]

(that mod is currently in closed beta)

[sour magnet]

ok

it will change dupes to... <this>?

[dawn cairn]

no

the two events that use it spawn an imposter

one on a random vent and one on a dupe

[sour magnet]

hmmmmm

ok

[dawn cairn]

(I spend way too many effort on that event lul)

[sour magnet]

WAIT

WHAT

[dawn cairn]

delet dis 🔫

[dawn cairn]

those events will migrate to the amorbus mod when twitch integration releases

[sour magnet]

ok

so amorbus mod will be amongus mod?

[dawn cairn]

isnt it already?

[sour magnet]

idk lol

[dawn cairn]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2899109675

[chrome grail]

gonna try to get the science points now

hopefully it dosnt crash

swag

[chrome grail]

still crashes :(

[dawn cairn]

I will look into it, yesterday I was ded

[chrome grail]

i got stuck in an 9 hour traffic jam yesterday and took the time to read my player.log

or at least attempted to understand it

it was just flooded with radbolt related spam

[dawn cairn]

not by me probably

give log

[dawn cairn]

fixed the tech crashing, sorry it got late, spent 5hrs fixing my my assembly

[dawn cairn]

(it will however freeze once you got all the research, but that is sth I will fix later)

[chrome grail]

will test later in the day

[chrome grail]

it gives the science points now

now im deciding whether to wait till big stations or just make small ones

[chrome grail]

hm there appears to be no way to build the station since you cant supply the building materials

building the space station deployer out of the material it takes to make the actual station does nothing

[dawn cairn]

you need a cargo bay with the mats

(that might be broken however, only tested it once)

[chrome grail]

despite the red text the crash log says its something about rocketry expanded

happened after i removed the module from my rocket when i couldnt find out how to build the station

[dawn cairn]

something in the sidescreen logic

[chrome grail]

also is it normal when using the swap module button you dont get stuff back?

[dawn cairn]

that's a base game bug

https://forums.kleientertainment.com/klei-bug-tracker/oni/changing-rocket-module-doesnt-refund-materials-r38005/

looks like it will be fixed on the next update

[chrome grail]

well my save is pretty much unplayable now at 5 fps

i might continue the rocketry expanded rocketry experience on another save

[dawn cairn]

too much map explored?

[stable basin]

Ah, I see someone else has the same issue lmao

Anyway
Someone probably asked this before, but does the Radbolt loader handle the Lasercone charging?

[narrow hawk]

was asked about like a few days ago by me. dunno if its in yet but it didnt before and will soon

[chrome grail]

yea too much map

i was originally planning to only show the superconductive and tree planet for the rare stuff

since i had an gilded field for the gold and other stuff for basically infinite stuff

honestly i wish minibase had the other planets

[dawn cairn]

on beta

[prime hedge]

If I may give a small suggestion. Those newer space construction feature should be a separate mod. space stations and other maybe new invention that's related to this for me personally playing I felt a bit clogged
No offense

[dawn cairn]

the space stations need to be in the same mod.
this is due to them inhabiting large areas of the grid that are only available with the habitats shrunken down and some grid settings tweaked

[prime hedge]

Ah right

[dawn cairn]

However I feel like the mod configs get bloated by the current implementation of disabling single features:

My thought about fixing that is combining different features into "content packs" that can bei either enabled or disabled

with that implementation, the " disable singe modules" would be lost, but overall the settings would appear less bloated

that way, you could simply disable "space station content pack" and it wouldnt appear in your game

does this sound like a solution?

@prime hedge

[prime hedge]

Content pack is a great idea. Adore It

[chrome grail]

may/may not improve my game loading time from 8 min(dlc all my freaking mods)

[dawn cairn]

thats on the number of mods & pc specs

[dawn cairn]

sorted

[prime hedge]

Jesus u are quick

[dawn cairn]

internally, the options are mostly the same

its just now sorted into proper categories

so if you dont want the content of a certain category, you can just go into one and remove all (plib has some limitation towards a single "enable/disable all" button)

[prime hedge]

This is amazing. U are amazing

[dawn cairn]

(most of these options exist in the current version already, its just a tangled mess without proper categories)

[prime hedge]

Tho this draw me a question. As u a modder, is it too convenient to let player to decide and config all those setting of capacity/Speed etc or, should it be more constrictive as to preserve the game experience?

[dawn cairn]

its an inconvenience

it requires to add a lot of checks and change structures at certain points

but I want to make rocket content based on the foundation I created with the mod, and if people dont like the new additions they should be able to hide / disable them to preserve their initial mod experience

[prime hedge]

Understandable. Because sometimes I saw ppl made a mod for example. 99999kg liquid storage and for a moment I thought okay this is just cheats. So this bring me such idea that maybe it's a bit bad to let player decide for game prospective. Maybe it's just me being a ass

In the end I think ppl who play are having fun is most important anyway.

[dawn cairn]

yup

also why I add some configuration options

so if ppl want easy mode, theres an option

the intended loadout is the one that comes with "reset options"

all in all, its still a single player game, so each player is just invalidating their own success with cheating

[prime hedge]

[narrow hawk]

will turning off the rocket grid optimization mess with the ability to use space stations? im assuming yes

[dawn cairn]

yes

[pine oasis]

This mod is great, but I think you need to nerf The nat Gas engine. It costs basically nothing to use, and has a really nice range. I love it, but still

[prime hedge]

Made a concept art on solar nose cone... With a camera!

[sour magnet]

dym big solar nosecome?

or standart?

[dawn cairn]

there ya go, nerf it yourself next update

[prime hedge]

I don't even know. I just had a cool idea in mind and draw it

[sour magnet]

bc it already exists

[prime hedge]

Yeah I know. I play the mod too

[dawn cairn]

shieldable

[pine oasis]

Lol… okay

[dawn cairn]

Rewrote the entire panel over the weekend, now way less performance heavy with more features + more modules listed

[clear elk]

does it mean bigger space map is now possible without melting our PCs?

[dawn cairn]

given the experiments done with fast track; no

[clear elk]

oh, so the point of new panel was more info?

[dawn cairn]

yes (and some optimisation so peter allows it to replace the fast track rewrite of the panel)

[chrome grail]

idea: something like the solid booster in the base game. maybe consumes the same resources it does in the base game and increases your range by 4 tiles but has an agonising 8 burden

[stable basin]

It could use a property that makes it akin to the real SRB
Reusable, but used only for launch/early in the flight

[chrome grail]

you would know how slow rockets move when relic collecting

the artifact transport module is one height but has an burden of iirc 6

[stable basin]

Indeed it has

Fortunately artifact recharge takes ~80 cycles
And they make mugs anyway, so if you don't want to enhance 20+ dupes one or two rockets collecting stuff for a hundred cycles or two would suffice

I just had a crazy idea

Rocket-borne kinetic delivery

Also known as big-ass cannon strapped to a rocket

You send it to an artifact and launch it home

Spares you the time waiting for the rocket to bring it back

[chrome grail]

nah if you even want to get close to space stations you gotta collect relics

[willow umbra]

Wdym 5 fps is what I get on good days. Most of the time I play at 4 fps. And the game still works pretty fine

Also, I saw there is a coal gen module for rockets in this mod. Does it need any form of oxidiser to work like fertiliser or oxylite?

[chrome grail]

nope

just coal

[willow umbra]

So i guess the coal in the game contains its own oxidiser

[dawn cairn]

same as normal coal gens

[willow umbra]

Yeah

Anyways

I think I will be installing rocketry expanded once I get home

(Meanwhile I haven't even launched my first rocket)

[prime hedge]

Is it called hex instead of tile in the starmap?

[dawn cairn]

Those parts are vanilla strings

so while they are hexes, that panel still calls them tiles in vanilla SO

[prime hedge]

Ahhhhhh I thought it's was called by ___ plus text.

[prime hedge]

had a small idea sketch about the interior of space station. prematurely it looks like a satellite

[stable basin]

I think I'm missing something

Does every module cost a vacillator charge?

[stable basin]

Like a giant stargazer nosecone

[prime hedge]

lol yes

cuz the most fun part of building rocket interior was trying to fit as much as u can

so open space mini asteroid is quite boring to me

[dawn cairn]

my plan is to have them tied to relics

current approach; removing the neutronium bits from the relic yields some science points+neutronium shards/dust.

these are a new resource required in making space stations & new science buildings .
the latter need to be in a space station and allow the creation more deep space science points

[prime hedge]

I didn't understand... Latter?

[clear elk]

"latter" = "2nd thing I just talked about"

"the latter need to be in a space station" = "new science buildings need to be in a space station"

[prime hedge]

New vocabulary installed

Nice

[chrome grail]

if you even tried to get large space stations with the speed it takes for stuff to refreshed it would take weeks

[willow umbra]

Can rockets dock and/or refuel at space stations?

[dawn cairn]

yes

[willow umbra]

Nice

[willow umbra]

How does one make a space station when the mod is applied?

[willow umbra]

Wait a sec. Are space stations part of the mod rn?

[dawn cairn]

no

some of the features are already in the files but unfinished and hidden

[willow umbra]

Ok. Thanks for the info. You mod is amazing btw, it really adds a lit to the game

[willow umbra]

Last question. Do I need to moving for the coal/steam generators to produce power or can my rocket just chill in place?

[dawn cairn]

rocket can chill

there should be status items displaying current generator fuel state/battery charge

[dawn cairn]

those status items will be removed and integrated into the rocket stats in the next update

[willow umbra]

Aight thanks.

[wary whale]

Following this thread for the next update

[pine oasis]

Aren’t we all? Lol

[dawn cairn]

some new wip modules

(and a pip)

[clear elk]

what's that module?

[dawn cairn]

another unused kanim found in the depths of the asset export

comes with tweaks here

[willow umbra]

What is this nosecone

[dawn cairn]

"Plated Spacefarer nosecone"

[willow umbra]

What's the difference compared to the normal and extended spacefarer nosecones?

Size it seems. Ok

Damn that looks spacious

[dawn cairn]

atleast 3 tiles of rad shielding, the middle one made from lead

its smaller than the large habitat tho

[willow umbra]

You mean the extended spacefarer module? Or something else?

[dawn cairn]

yes

[willow umbra]

Ph yeah it makes sense

[dawn cairn]

the plated nosecone and the extended spacefarer will get additional resource requirements added to them

[willow umbra]

Makes sense

They are pretty neat

[dawn cairn]

(bc rn there is not enough reason to use the smaller ones lul)

I also found this glorious name for the tech

[clear elk]

6 can be still a lot, is it possible to reduce it to 0?

[dawn cairn]

lol

[clear elk]

Im serious

[dawn cairn]

dupes lose 100 each cycle(?)

ooooh

yeeeea

that stuff

[clear elk]

on normal settings, I dont recall what happens on the hardest difficulty

and yeah, there is that stuff too

[dawn cairn]

on hardest its reduced to 50 I think

but i dont think there is a material that has 100%rad absorption

[clear elk]

either way, I'd really appreciate 0 rads. If that's impossible - its fine, but if that can happen it would be really nice

yeah, I believe lead is the best

not sure how about neutronium

[willow umbra]

You will take your 6.4 rads and you will be happy about it.

[clear elk]

I made some testing, 4 rads is too much. I won't be happy with 6, my case is too extreme for that.
I mean, it's fine, not everything SGT does must solve my extreme issues, I just got hyped when I saw it

[dawn cairn]

its doable

[clear elk]

that would require 4 layers at least

[dawn cairn]

I just need to create a modified aka "plated" version of the rocket wall

[dawn cairn]

if its 2t of lead for one of those, 3 layers will filter it

thats rad absorption of 85%

[clear elk]

is it mass-dependent? tbh I don't fully understand radiation mechanics

[dawn cairn]

apparently

rocket wall has 100 kg, I test drew 3 layers of lead and it blocked everything (with 2t/tile)

aaaaa

apparently tiles have different rad absorption values than raw elements

AHH

tiles......

have just absorptionfactor*0.8

not related to mass

[stable basin]

Amogus fridge rocket lessgooo

[stable basin]

Oh boy, radiation shielding

[prime hedge]

Huh. I didn't notice the small fuel tank at all

[dawn cairn]

that is an original (unused) game anim btw

[wary whale]

On hardest radiation difficulty:

• 33 rads lost on bathroom use
• 33 absorbed for minor sickness
• 100 absorbed for major sickness

I play with these settings in a normal spacefarer with 2~3 layers with an average of 30 rads/cycle just fine; in extreme cases, double bathroom schedules to poop twice a day to keep the rads away

[edgy tendon]

amongus...

[willow umbra]

So, I remember there was talk about an ion engine, when is that getting implemented? And what are the plans about how it will work? Will it be a late game option or will it be a mid game low power alternative?

[stable basin]

Idk, I just proposed it as a cheap slow electric alternative, mainly for stations
But they can already move, so it's kinda redundant
Maybe you can add them to boost the speed a bit

[chrome grail]

stations being able to move: me about to crash them into every planet possible

[prime hedge]

Jeez why are ppl talks as if they are walking to some game dev. It's a mod made by 2 or 3 ppl. I'm already surprised he/she had output so many item already

[chrome grail]

what

[prime hedge]

Here and there. Ppl keep asking Update when? Xxxxx when?

[chrome grail]

they are making suggestions. this is literally an place to put suggestions

[willow umbra]

Or ask questions about possible content

[stable basin]

CADIA STANDS

[stable basin]

I'm not asking for updates, it was maybe one time and even then I just wanted to know when to expect the update date

Rushing development is bad practice anyway, and I'm not the dev

I just have ideas, as many others

[prime hedge]

Ideas are welcome. I just not like to dim their drive to make mods.

[prime hedge]

I'd like to upgrade natgas engine visual one day. if its possible. here is 2 idea I have been making, with some steampunk inspiration. dont know which one is better tho

[eternal ermine]

i think left, but with the 3 thrusters like on the right

[dawn cairn]

Im the sole dev of the mod
3GuB does a lot of art for me nowadays, but they are impacted a lot by the blackouts induced by russian attacks

[stable basin]

It looks like it came straight from Metal Slug
I love it

The right one fits better imo

[prime hedge]

I'm sorry

[dawn cairn]

this is a list of the current list of things coming with the next update btw

[prime hedge]

If u want I can try to do some since I like this mod and I'd like to push it grow. Tho I need to learn some trick on sprinter about animations.
Regarding the mod I think duck taped nose cone can use some artworks upgrade lulz

[prime hedge]

More i look more it's do looks like it gahaha

[dawn cairn]

Nope, the design is intentional

dupe design involves a lot of "duct taped on", which is the style I want that module to have

similarly, the natgas engine design is supposed to be a mashup betwen the natural gas generator, a steam engine and a gas stove

(notice how co2 engine is literally just some plastic bottles ductaped together?)

[stable basin]

What does the ladder adapter do?

[dawn cairn]

plant it between rocket launchpads to have a ladder while keeping them connected for loaders

[stable basin]

Yes, I rofl'd so hard when I first used it
Just a big-ass stove lmao

[dawn cairn]

a lot of the late game designs have "proper functional designs" like f.e. the hydrogen engine, which is the tier I would add a design such as this one

[stable basin]

Ah so you can access them from below?

[dawn cairn]

lemme demonstrate

[willow umbra]

Why not both? Small and large Nat gas engine. Just like petroleum ones.

[dawn cairn]

design decisions

[willow umbra]

Makes sense

[stable basin]

That's actually a good idea
They are hydrocarbon combustion, so it checks out

[stable basin]

I see

[dawn cairn]

large natgas engine would need to be equal power level to petrol, but I cannot add gas fuel tanks

[willow umbra]

I mean making 2 engine sizes is extra work after all

[willow umbra]

Ok then. That explains it.

[dawn cairn]

such a tank would break the balance of the other gas engines such as Steam for example

[willow umbra]

So the current natural gas engine is a small one?

[dawn cairn]

basically

its an alternative to small petrol engine

[willow umbra]

Dope

[dawn cairn]

having bigger range than a stock one, but if you build the small petrol engine with fuel tanks, it can reach further

[willow umbra]

How much range does the natural gas engine have then?

[dawn cairn]

15 (16 on current)

[willow umbra]

And what height limit?

[dawn cairn]

25

(20)

[willow umbra]

And it also needs oxidiser?

[dawn cairn]

yes

[willow umbra]

Sounds like q better small petrol engine

[prime hedge]

I had a idea on mixed paste/ solids fuel rocket engines. Could be a f.e. gas/sugar and Oxygen mixes combust-able solid fuel. And a solid fueled thruster

[dawn cairn]

note that its also tapping into the nice of the steam engine

[prime hedge]

I do think it's okay to have half duct taped toy engine and half high tech thingy

[willow umbra]

Especially in this game

[willow umbra]

So natural gas engine is a better petrol engine with the height limit of a steam engine. Quite tempting.

[dawn cairn]

-2 due to the oxidizer tank

[stable basin]

We could just say that the database of the AI doesn't have all the templates
So they improvised

[dawn cairn]

it has a more limiting max range tho

[willow umbra]

Sure

[dawn cairn]

but I might reduce its height a bit

[willow umbra]

1 tile reduction seems more than enough

[dawn cairn]

also small fuel tank coming (this rocket has 20 range)

[prime hedge]

By compression it looks good

this is what i think of current tech evolve map

could use 2 more new engine type to fit the gap

[dawn cairn]

I also thought about putting the engine into the tech that unlocks the stove lul

[dawn cairn]

in theory, natgas engine should sit between small petrol and large petrol

allthough still parallel since it uses a different fuel

like in a triangle on top

[prime hedge]

could be together with food production cuz it the only other usage than burning it

[dawn cairn]

but thats maybe just a problem with science progress, its not "timegated" enough and youre better of just skipping entire stages by waiting a bit

also that there is no research between these 2

hmm...

[prime hedge]

huh by the sight its looks like a much cheaper and affordable steam engine

[dawn cairn]

same depth in the tree

has 4 less height, but is much faster

[prime hedge]

it could be okayishhhhh idk. by the time of it as me a player ill invest more time building geo powerplant. so its most okay to put by food production

[dawn cairn]

thats the difficulty of adding (good) new stuff

giving it a niche to be used in

while being not op or useless

germany said sth above that its too op, and after comparing it, I agree, which is why I want to nerf it

the current release state is just so much better than small petrol, invalidating it

and the "less max range" isnt countering the benefits enough

[prime hedge]

on my playthough i just skipp steam engine cuz producing steam is a bit of cheesy and pipe alway breaks. so comprare to this natgas eng have much easyer prepration

[prime hedge]

exactly

[dawn cairn]

also the more engines there are, the smaller each ones niche gets

which is why I wouldnt add a second natgas engine

nat gas now has 2 more tiles than small petrol

steam has 4 more, but is insanely slow

[prime hedge]

thats why i had suggest a solid engine thats doesnt require oxylite as a higher tier, so its wont clog with current vast engine type

[dawn cairn]

that would be an alternative to radbolt then

however the question is then: what type, where to put it into the tech tree

and what niche justifies its existence

especially since the current starmap is wayyy to smal for large, endgame engines to be usefull

my current test cluster is 11 tiles from center to border

thats.. almost the range of a small petrol engine or a one way steam engine

why would I need hydrogen (exept for large scale mining operations)

thats the main design problem

(especially since Im adding a bit of power creep to rockets with some of the modules)

I have plans for bigger starmaps, but the performance impact of that thing is horrible

(example: each of the Hexes is a 2000x2000 pixel image..)

last update of Fast Track fixes a lot of the performance issues, so that mod would be basically mandatory

as for engines, I'd say the "midgame"- field is satisfied

but there is still that one slot between radbolt and hydrogen

and anything after that in a hypothetical "large map"-endgame

[stable basin]

what
You mean, an empty hex is that big?

[dawn cairn]

yes

[stable basin]

💀

[dawn cairn]

I have a savegame that has a map with 3x diameter

it runs at 8 fps

[prime hedge]

only reason that i would invest such effort is only i need to mine uranium on the edge of star map. original playthrough is like: only solar panel as additional power and its not great. thus one need to invest on hydrogen etc. with ur module the delta is shifted to minimum and could (mostly) cured by adding coal module that's add 120w and enough for most part. then such need of effort is mostly negated

[dawn cairn]

on ryzen 5800x

[stable basin]

Oh dear

[dawn cairn]

lemme grab a screenshot

(oh and each rocket calculates all possible paths each frame aswell btw)

planet on the right is in center

[stable basin]

I had suspicions about that
Also I like how you can't choose a custom path between two points
It would at least kind of justify the constant pathing

[prime hedge]

I don't understand why one hex could cause this Huge issues

[dawn cairn]

PeterHan has an endless supply of "this thing in the game is horribly made"-stories

[stable basin]

FastTrack lore

[dawn cairn]

rendering >1000 images that each are 2000x2000 because the game doesnt have any compression

on the existing starmap; not an issue (yet)

one a much larger starmap - much more

[dawn cairn]

with fast track, that map runs at 25-45 fps

[prime hedge]

Yikes

[dawn cairn]

and thats just caching of some of the rendering + smaller image resolution

[prime hedge]

Let alone all those heavy change could potentially break under new update.

[dawn cairn]

tbh, unlikely

since he often just replaces the entire system

[prime hedge]

My my Klei should really pick him up as dev

[dawn cairn]

I dont think he wants that

[prime hedge]

Btw this game original design is like a klotski game that's fitting the right part and just enough to works as one's desire. If every segment is 1x3 sized modules then it's going to be boring

[prime hedge]

Speak of this

[dawn cairn]

Ik.

only reason the generators are 1 height is that they compete with solar panels

Also I think adding "endgamier" engines will probably require new fuels/elements

[prime hedge]

Would it's be difficult to add new element in game?

[dawn cairn]

no

aki showed me how

he has a lot of them in Beached

[prime hedge]

Huh. Soon™ Beach bio? I still have some fade mamery

[dawn cairn]

beached is far away

it adds an insane amount of new systems

I already have plans for a "neutronium alloy"/"neutronium infused steel", a construction material locked behind artifacts

[prime hedge]

U are playing with fire🤣

[dawn cairn]

wym?

[prime hedge]

The undiggable neutronium

Although it could be fun

[dawn cairn]

not made from that

made from "neutronium dust" that is a byproduct from freeing artifacts from their semi buried state

[willow umbra]

Ngl I would consider it balanced with those stats

[prime hedge]

lul.

somthing that burn fuel sticks

[willow umbra]

It looks like it burns a thousand tormented souls

Per second

[stable basin]

Yeah

It's an atomic deconstructor, not an engine

[willow umbra]

The temporal drive:
It either kills you or instantly gets you to your destination.
Fuel required: 1 sacrificed dupe per trip, 2 for a round trip

[dawn cairn]

nice design for a category-scifi engine

[stable basin]

Hop in the Temporal Bow, we goin'

[dawn cairn]

Plasma fuel cells?

because that sounds like a potential endgame engine

(and looks like one)

[prime hedge]

I had thought something that's can be made via molecular forge

Delivered and burn fuel cell

that storages a large quantity of fuel cell at once

At level that full loaded could made 3-4 round trip

But cost a bit

Dont know if had ever saw EVA

[native temple]

I also hate these "mods"
Weird, useless, cringy and broken with poor code

[prime hedge]

that poor dude have some mental issues i think

[willow umbra]

Hello, I got an idea during the night: what if the rockets, with drillcones, storage and so ones, would go on a trip (not visible)? It would act like extending the starmap, but with more fps.

And the rocket disappearer during this trip, and appear when the trip is finish.

(Sowy for my bad english😅)

It can permit us to gather more ressources.

[chrome grail]

you mean go off the starmap?

[native temple]

I know one such "moder"
I'm not sure can i tell who it is

[dawn cairn]

srmilla is a known person on this server, infamous for reuploading mods.

[clear elk]

pleae dont trash-talk other modders. it makes a bad precedence

[willow umbra]

yes

but virtually

the rockets diseaper, and reapear with a lot of ressources

[prime hedge]

It's basically pit vanilla rockery in SO

Put*

[willow umbra]

Yes

To extand the starmap without losing fps

[prime hedge]

regarding the plasma engine i have some new insight idea:
use molecular forge to produce plasma stabilizer (90kg lead+10kg steel+? kg ?)
then need a new building or exsisting buiding to charge plasma cell: consume 100 radbolt to charge and 960w while using and produce a charged plasma cell.

the engine store up to 20 plasma cell, each cell provide 2 hex of travel distance

i have been developing the concepts

thinking about color plate similar to those 2, giving some continuity that's kleish

[chrome grail]

problem 1: lead is not renewable

[willow umbra]

All we need for a plasma engine is plasma. So, I guess a shitload of hydrogen and a fair bit of refined metal should be enough to make a plasma "canister" of sorts that can be used to refuel the plasma engine

[chrome grail]

which i guess adds another point: the hell do you even need 40 tiles of range for

[prime hedge]

this is the point. later game all wire is basiclly made via lead and which pose a challenge to tame metal volcano then leave the gap for engine canister

[prime hedge]

its base on this branch, meaning some type has long range and long sustain but fall a bit short on resouce gathering and prep. should be a off-angle comprare to hydrogen. and may not be faster then heavy pretroluem

All suggest are welcomed

[willow umbra]

Ngl the ion engine is far more appealing of an idea than a plasma engine imo

[dawn cairn]

problem here; it would breach into the niche of the radbolt engine

aka "uses radbolts" for fuel, is some endgame engine

I think, such an engine should come as a mod-integration feature when both RE & that fusion generator mod you proposed in the other trait are installed

[prime hedge]

what's RE?🤔

[dawn cairn]

this mod (Rocketry Expanded)

And for the integration part; the engine should eat the reactor fuel cells

making it somewhat of an upgrade to radbolt engine instead of a direct replacement

[pine oasis]

Who here actually uses the radbolt engine though?

[dawn cairn]

uhm

thats the only engine a lot of ppl use

[pine oasis]

I’d rather liquify hydrogen and oxygen because it takes so much work to use

[dawn cairn]

1 reactor / inf. waste storage and youre done

[pine oasis]

Right but it’s height is trash too, and how am I supposed to get the material for that unless I spend 10 hours making a reactor?

[dawn cairn]

and infinite waste can be achieved by easy duping/start+landing farm of the engine

[pine oasis]

(This was meant to be typed before the one you typed before mine)

[dawn cairn]

I have a 2k cycle save here, that uses 1/3 hydrogen engine; 2/3 radbolt

[pine oasis]

It’s all about opinions and preference, but I just don’t want to build a reactor ever so that cuts it off my list of usable rockets

[dawn cairn]

I never made a reactor, still used radbolt engines on almost each rocket

also laser drillcone adds incentive to make radiation farm

[pine oasis]

I really like the idea of it but I’ve never used it. Also, does it use less total or more rad bolts assuming we are making diamonds with the diamond press?

[dawn cairn]

less

its more efficient, but slower

[pine oasis]

I see

[dawn cairn]

(allthough that "slower"-part can be modified in the config)

[pine oasis]

So if you have a melted rocket with a freezer then things like that wouldn’t be a problem

[dawn cairn]

freezer?

[pine oasis]

Yeah

[dawn cairn]

the module or a very cool food storage from tiles?

[pine oasis]

A very cool food storage in the rocket, because I didn’t know your mod added that

[dawn cairn]

it doesnt yet

[pine oasis]

Well even when it does I won’t be able to use it because of my unusual circumstances

[dawn cairn]

?

[pine oasis]

I have to play oh GeForce now, and it doesn’t allow mods

[dawn cairn]

ah

[pine oasis]

Whenever I’m able to use my brothers computer for a while I’ll always use this mod, but back to topic

[prime hedge]

Interesting idea 😂 although I'm not a modder. I would need to study c# form dust to be able to make mods.

[dawn cairn]

everyone modding starts at that point :D

(although I used C# for 2 years before I got into modding, but at the beginning of that I was in the same position)

[prime hedge]

I had took a peak into Cairath's mod guide and I had failed on the very doorstep. Write codes

Anyway....

[stable basin]

Everyone?

The radbolt engine is incredibly useful
I use them for hauling rockets and short-range mining

Although I have a plan to expand my cryogenic fuel condenser and run Hydrogen rockets for everything

[stable basin]

I made a nuclear power plant early on, so it's a win-win

[prime hedge]

i hate pipes keep breaking

with LH and lox

[stable basin]

Use ceramic and make a loop with the condenser room as an intercooler/buffer

[prime hedge]

this screen is so slippery

i had try with pipe calculator shutoff but its automation is terrible

[stable basin]

I don't use automation

Just loop it

The heat generation of the pumps is negligible
And if you're already at cryogenics, I assume you have the power to drive a few pumps constantly

[prime hedge]

my last playthough had successfully made to hydroen rocket. this time i wanna try to make the pipe to 1kg/s and split to 4 maybe its would work with

[willow umbra]

Is it me or it the natural gas engine pretty good for mid range mining?

[dawn cairn]

its a bit too strong atm, will get -2 height next update

[willow umbra]

Talking about the current or the beta version?

Because I am using the non beta one

[dawn cairn]

next update