#Ahsoka Teaser

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umbral socket
wary scaffold
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Please be good.

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Like, please. For real.

heady bronze
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yeah... that's what I'm hoping too.

void karma
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Like that was insane.

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It looked good, and it looks super cool.

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Filoni.. don't let us down

wary scaffold
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Are we going to see a rough adaptation of parts of Heir to the Empire? Or just namedrops?

inland plover
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looks nice

void karma
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Probably a rough adaptation. Filoni is also making a movie that will culminate all the Mandalorian and spinoff shows.

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They said the film will take some inspiration from the EU material.

inland plover
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they've done this in the past, yeah

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not straight-up adaptations, but taking elements from the EU stuff and using them in new stories

wary scaffold
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Ye. Just wondering if it's going to be recognizably Heir to the Empire, or just some names that are the same

void karma
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For instance, I think the Ahsoka show is the start of that.

Those two dark sides seem like Mara Jade and Joruus C'baoth analogies slightly, in a "squint to see it" type of way.

wary scaffold
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Any casting on Thrawn?

void karma
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No. But it sure does look like the back of Lars Mikkelsen's head. LOL

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I'm assuming they'll reveal the full cast tomorrow at the Ahsoka panel.

inland plover
midnight falcon
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Sabine with longhair is wrong

inland plover
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Short lekku, long hair

void karma
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Gotta say though. Natasha Liu Bordizzo does look good as Sabine.

lean trail
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šŸ˜„

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šŸ™‚

lean trail
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High budget live action Rebels sequel series is the only thing I've really wanted out of Star Wars in years

inland plover
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Are you currently vibrating at a high frequency

lean trail
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the teenager in me is losing his fucking mind rn

lean trail
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casting looks fantastic

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I was really hoping they'd fix Ahsoka's headcrest but I guess they're doubling down on that one

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need to take a better look at the shots with Hera later

wary scaffold
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I feel like I am pinning basically all my hopes on Star Wars as a film/show franchise on this one show

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It may not be healthy.

dusty flume
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Live action versions of animated characters always look so uncanny

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Hera and Sabine especially look like cosplays

timid jetty
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why do i have a feeling ahsoka will be the one protagonist whos show isn't stolen from them by another character?

twin viper
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To me, Hera is all about the voice. Itā€™s was so distinctive in Rebels. Given the tiny bit we hear in the clipā€¦ I donā€™t know.

void karma
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Mhm. Vanessa Marshal's voice is very distinctive.

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Hera had a musky sound to her voice, but it was also gentle and motherly as well..

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I think Mary Elizabeth Winstead's voice will have to grow on me.

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I like Natasha Liu Bordizzo as Sabine. She sounds fine in the snippet we've gotten.

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And she is a near-match for how Sabine looked in animation really.

timid jetty
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Thrawn in a series needs Mara Jade and Luke - and I'd be fine with recasting luke.

void karma
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If Luke is in it, they'll do their deepfake thing most likely.

wary scaffold
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Thrawn needs no such thing

timid jetty
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Ugh.. Just recast him

twin viper
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Hollywood ā€œLetā€™s deepfake their whole freaking face!ā€
Also Hollywood ā€œDub their voice!?! Are you outta your mind?ā€

timid jetty
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It's in the source material

wary scaffold
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Thrawn was in Rebels

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Luke wasn't in Rebels.

timid jetty
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Thrawn was in a book series written by Timothy Zahn

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And that was far superior to rebels

wary scaffold
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And this is essentially a sequel series to Rebels.

timid jetty
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And it seems to be heavily taking from that book series for inspiration. Even looks like we have a dark jedi type figure too

wary scaffold
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Thrawn as a character in no way shape or form needs Luke or Mara Jade. They are not essential characters to his character.

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He can exist without them.

void karma
wary scaffold
timid jetty
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But they were essential to the plot of the original book series where Thrawn came from thats all

wary scaffold
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You know what I meant, lol

void karma
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šŸ˜‚

wary scaffold
timid jetty
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They are once again putting the older star wars fans side in favor of creating something new

wary scaffold
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But Thrawn's role in the plot could just as easily play out with or without Luke or Mara

timid jetty
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Oh sure

wary scaffold
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And that doesn't even take into account that this show may or may not even be about the same plot.

timid jetty
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If you have a competant writing team you can pull off a plot with new characters and a completely different set of relationships in an unfamiliar setting

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I want it to be good

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Then again, I've never watched the star wars cartoons/3d animations so don't know how it goes

wary scaffold
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And that was far superior to rebels
I've never watched the star wars cartoons/3d animations
Okay then

twin viper
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Older fans is relative. Rebels debuted nearly 10 years ago.

wary scaffold
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Which also had Thrawn in it

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And Maul

twin viper
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Yup

timid jetty
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Was it well done?

wary scaffold
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I liked Rebels a lot.

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Not constantly great, but when it was good it was very good.

twin viper
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I thought so. The first season is rocky but by the end I thinks is some of the best Star Wars. I felt it captures the essence of the OT better than most.

wary scaffold
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Any show that has that many seasons and episodes is bound to have some weaker arcs.

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But the good definitely outweigh the bad.

void karma
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Rebels also had 20+ episode seasons, and was aired on Disney XD. So it was much more kid friendly than even the early seasons of Clone Wars.

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But it was fun .

wary scaffold
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There's a far bit of examining how to the Force works and such stuff

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Which is really nice to see in SW media

timid jetty
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I really am hoping this show ill be good. Looking forward to see the force portrayed in live-action again. Also the politics of the Remnant Empire and New Republic has always been interesting. The last mando episode made me salty, so I apologize for that.

wary scaffold
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You may want to watch Rebels before this show, tbh.

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It seems like a lot of the characters are going to be reappearing

timid jetty
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I'll add it to the streaming list for when I paint minis

twin viper
heady bronze
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I would imagine they'll manage to give a short introduction to everyone who is actually important. Would be weird if they didn't.

wary scaffold
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Enough to understand what's roughly going on, but not necessarily the full context.

inland plover
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I figure they expect people to go to the other shows and Wookieepedia, etc

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Reintroducing all the characters we see in the trailer leaves you not a lot of time to actually have a new story

twin viper
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Look how they handled Groguā€™s return in Mando. It happens in a completely different show. I think it gets one line in Mando ā€œheā€™s been returned to meā€ or something like that.

heady bronze
inland plover
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Yeah but streaming makes it as available as something that's just coming out now

void karma
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I assume they'll just boil the characters down to their basic components to introduce them.

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In a way, they'll probably treat them like "new" characters in Ahsoka for the benefit of the general audience.

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All you need to know about Hera is that she's a rebel general that fell in love with a Jedi survivor, for example.

heady bronze
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Yep. Two sentences plus an introductory scene that lets them show off what they're known for should suffice without bogging things down.

short vault
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That Ahsoka trailer sure looks like the latest in the Star Wars assembly line

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Idk something about it looked totally wrong to me

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I donā€™t like Sabine but she looked and sounded way off

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Ahsoka still moves really weirdly (the costume is probably super heavy)

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Hera is just like

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A random person painted green with some lekku

void karma
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I mean... that's what Twileks have always looked like in live action.

short vault
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It just looksā€¦ cheap?

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Idk how to describe it

void karma
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How else is it supposed to look?

short vault
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Idk man sorry I didnā€™t like it lmao

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Better?

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Sabine looked super off for some reason too

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I also just donā€™t like how filoni is making his own content obsess over his own characters

wary scaffold
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Eeeeeeeh.

void karma
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Looks like some of the better Twilek makeup we've had to me.

I think it might just be the transition from animation to live action. We're used to seeing the characters in animation..

short vault
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I think I might be done with Star Wars

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Mando has killed a lot of my goodwill

wary scaffold
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There's a lot of difficulties in adapting 3d animated characters to live action people.

short vault
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And now Iā€™m just looking at it cynically

void karma
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So the live action actors and how they fill those roles will have to be grown into.

wary scaffold
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Also "Filoni obsesses over his own characters" is such strong assumptions.

short vault
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I mean

wary scaffold
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Is he "obsessing" over them or does he simply still have more stories he wants to tell?

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I don't know

short vault
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Why was Zeb in Mando?

wary scaffold
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But assuming that he "obsesses" or that his shows "obsess" over the characters...

wary scaffold
short vault
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Case in point lmao

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Thank you

void karma
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I think Ahsoka was a story he was going to tell after Rebels anyway. Maybe it was going to be animated before they decided to do it live action.

wary scaffold
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All things said, the Rebels characters should show up in Ahsoka.

short vault
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I didnā€™t want a Mando verse

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I wanted a show

wary scaffold
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It's a continuation of the stories of those very characters.

void karma
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Thinking about it. I don't know if I'd call Filoni obsessed with his characters. More like he has a very specific idea of what their stories are and wants to find ways to make them happen.

short vault
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That held up on its own merits

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Not a show used to prop up filoniā€™s pet characters

wary scaffold
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Unlike the wookiee in Boba Fett

void karma
wary scaffold
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Or Boba Fett in Mando

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Or Luke in Mando

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Or Maul in Solo

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Or any other examples of character cameos in Star Wars.

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Filoni just happens to have a cast of characters who are reasonably popular and surprisingly easy to insert into existing stories. There aren't that many shows or movies to draw from, tbh.

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So the cameos will be mostly recognizable from a certain subset of works we already have - and Filoni's characters are fairly numerous in their cameo-ability

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That's a term now, fyi

void karma
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I have major gripes with how Mando Season 3 has turned out, but I'm willing to stick it out till the end. I'm hoping Favreau and the team manage to hit home and it all leads to something good.

short vault
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Mando season 3 has straight up made me no longer trust filoni and favreau

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Ahsoka might be good because sheā€™s obviously filoniā€™s favourite character heā€™s ever made

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Because he canā€™t fucking stop inserting her into other shows

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And my god the Episode X bullshit. Already?? The nuclear dust from the sequel trilogy has barely settled

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Weā€™re gonna kick that all back up?

void karma
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Well, like Miriact said. She's surprisingly easy to put in other shows without much fuss.

She was initially created by George as Anakin's padawan in TCW when Amakin didn't have a Padawan before. No one liked her at first before she became more loved.

She appeared in Rebels as a contact for the rebellion, and didn't really appear all that often and didn't take away much from that show. World Between Worlds shenanigans aside (personally, I didn't really mind).

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A case could be made that she didn't necessarily need to be in Mandalorian, but she did serve a purpose in Din and Grogu's story, while also being a backdoor pilot to her own series.

On the subject of Book of Boba. Yeah that show just had so many issues.

short vault
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I liked her in rebels yeah

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As much as I didnā€™t like rebels her and the adult cast were the best parts

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The kiddos (Sabine and Ezra) kinda ruined it for me

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IDK something about that teaser just raised my warning klaxons

lean trail
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I mean if you didn't like Rebels you aren't gonna like this

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I think it's pretty clear this is just the Rebels sequel

heady bronze
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Which is exactly what was announced at the end of Rebels.

lean trail
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mhm

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I fucking love Rebels so this is one of the best days of my life but it could also be dogshit and that would make me sad

heady bronze
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Do you hear that, Disney? Don't make Wilde sad!

knotty void
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My initial impressions.

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Looks fun though

spare leaf
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"What are we? Some kind of Heir to the Empire?"

knotty void
spare leaf
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I just want Thrawn to be proper threatening, not a Rebel buttmonkey.

dusty flume
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they always look all kinds of wrong

short vault
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something about Hera looked especially wrong to me

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the face was ALL wrong I think?

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and sabine just looked like a cosplayer from SW Celebrations they threw in

inland plover
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The actors aren't gonna have the facial shape of the animated characters LOL

lean trail
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yeah fr

inland plover
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of course they look "off"

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That's always gonna happen

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We're familiar with one version, and here's another

lean trail
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trying to make 1:1 accuracy happen is how we end up with CGI zombie Peter Cushing

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we're lucky they resisted the temptation to do something to Ewan McGregor's face in Kenobi

inland plover
lean trail
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RECASTING IS FINE

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THE HAN SOLO GUY WAS FINE

inland plover
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Yeah, it's like people haven't watched a play or, you know, a star war

lean trail
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that is what actors are for

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they "act"

inland plover
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see also: but but but Mark didn't like a thing, and he's my imaginary childhood buddy

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he must know best how to write a character he played for a couple weeks half a decade ago

spare leaf
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The critical bits are going to come down to writing and direction. Visuals are certainly important, but the aforementioned, to my mind, is the deciding factor.

inland plover
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so many bad and stupid assumptions are just accepted in the discourse about all of this

lean trail
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the identification of actors with characters is something that fandom is really fucking bad about

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I'd say Harrison Ford has been pretty good at resisting that but...Kingdom of the Crystal Skull exists

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it's still possible albeit unlikely that Dial of Destiny will be ok so I'll reserve judgement there

inland plover
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the title is already tilting me

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it sounds like a parody to me

lean trail
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nah it's fine tbh

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"Temple of Doom"

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like fr??

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and that movie kicks ass

inland plover
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see that one works for me as pulp, but Dial puts me in the mind of analog-era scifi

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it's entirely unfair and subjective, I know

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anyway, I just hope Ahsoka does some sweet flips in this show

short vault
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at least we know there's gonna be a lot of member berries for all the star wars fans that love being reminded about other characters

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so you've got that to look forward to

lean trail
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ironically that's pretty much all south park has been since about 2016

short vault
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havent watched south park since highschool, blissfully

lean trail
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"member towelie? member mr hanky?"

inland plover
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I just wish we could return to the era of every star wars movie having a new cast, now that was cinema

lean trail
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kinometography

inland plover
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groƟes Kino

knotty void
lean trail
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AUGH FUCK MY EYES

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I FORGOT

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WHYYYYY

spare leaf
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Oh lawd. I think my eyes are starting to leak blood.

inland plover
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green gollum

lean trail
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nvm guys I just remembered I hate Rebels

knotty void
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Let's just agree that Rebels had it's own "aesthetic" and leave it at that.

spare leaf
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This was a Disney show was it not? Could they not afford to make him look decent?

lean trail
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  1. yes
  2. unironically no
spare leaf
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Did no one, from storyboard to production, not look at that and say: Hmmm, that looks off.

inland plover
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show's gotta be financially viable

lean trail
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rebels was what lucasfilm did to avoid firing its entire clone wars production team because disney destroyed their animation budget

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clone wars was initially produced with essentially a blank check from a multibillionaire

inland plover
lean trail
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ridiculously expensive for a cartoon network show

inland plover
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yeah, TCW spoiled us

lean trail
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at the same time they could have made his head smaller

short vault
lean trail
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this was definitely avoidable

short vault
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BURN IT

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this was yoda right before he got off the ketamine

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it's fine

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he cleaned up his act for luke

spare leaf
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Like the guy's not even rendered on model

short vault
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that's why he was so weird in dagobah

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withdrawls

lean trail
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RMMMMM BREAK INTO THE PHARMACY YOU MUST, BANNED FROM THE COUNTY I AM

short vault
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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM LUKE GET ME SOME PHARMACEUTICALS

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MMM YES

lean trail
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BUY PSEUDOEFEDRINE I MUST
HEAD COLD I HAVE

knotty void
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If you think that's bad, then don't google the original puppet they used for Episode I back in '99 before they 'fixed' it with CGI.

spare leaf
timid jetty
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its also a problem with 2d

short vault
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that shit was nightmarish for 6 year old me

timid jetty
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episode 2 was a fully cgi yoda right?

short vault
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yarp

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for his flips n shiz

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they didnt go back to puppet yoda until EP8

timid jetty
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I remember there noticable jump in something.. was too young to remember lol

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Ah

short vault
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where they, again

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kinda fucked him up

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lmao

inland plover
short vault
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the devolution of yoda

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it's actually kinda weird, EP8 yoda looks almost closer to EP1 puppet yoda

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than EP5 puppet yoda

timid jetty
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that ep8 yoda looks enhanced

spare leaf
knotty void
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I guess they were trying to make him look more 'youthful' in epsiode I, but for somebody who lives to be 900 years old, would ~20 years really make that much of a difference?

timid jetty
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I'm struggling to see how the difference works

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baby yoda looks no diffeerent 30-40 years later in mando

short vault
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wasnt yoda like 100 in High Republic?

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and looked just like he does in the trilogies?

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baby yoda got A LOT of growing up to do

spare leaf
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Maybe with more hair.

inland plover
spare leaf
short vault
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but I feel that would be a worthy sacrifice

timid jetty
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I'm imagining that the yoda species ages like the asian grandma meme.. beautiful young woman then once u hit 50 poof granny

short vault
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being in a game studio that has to constantly juggle artist's time

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one thing will suffer if another doesnt, that's just true

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but it would've been worth it to not make the most memeable yoda on the planet

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that shit is like the Sanic of Yoda

inland plover
timid jetty
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Is there a place to post memes on this channel?

short vault
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like about the ahsoka teaser?

timid jetty
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nah i madea low effort meme about the yoda aging process

spare leaf
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#off-topic is the place for memes, generally.

short vault
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I also want to see this meme so tag me when you're done

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that sounds funny

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thanks

cobalt jay
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Based on reading the new Thrawn novels, they very well could take a very different direction. Obviously they have changed enough of the post RotJ storyline that they really couldn't straight up adapt the Heir to the Empire trilogy. There are certainly a lot of gaps to fill and bridges to build.

crimson sky
lean trail
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High Republic is what, 150 years before Episode I?

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In which Yoda is between 800 and 900

short vault
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ok

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that makes more sense

crimson sky
void karma
inland plover
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nope

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the episode aired like that

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with just blue fabric behind the windows and the actors

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because the money for that had not been planned for

midnight falcon
midnight falcon
wary scaffold
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Live action
Video game

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No, it's not even "kinda" live action

heady bronze
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more photo-realistic style than Rebels though.

wary scaffold
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Of course, but that's not "live action"

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It's still a 3d model, even if it is based on mocap

midnight falcon
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Eh. The tendency for games to go with an exceptionally photo realistic style that very frequently uses real faces as the basis for a character's look sets up the whole uncanny valley thing where you can't be sure you're looking at someone wearing a digital prosthesis equivalent to the airbrushing of old, or an entirely fictional construction that pushes at our ability to perceive what's real. So "sorta"

wary scaffold
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It's still not live action. If it had FMVs, it would be live action.

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It's important because 3d models are a lot easier to touch up and make look "better" especially when it comes to non-human features

midnight falcon
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If there was FMV I wouldn't use "sorta". It is still absolutely a transitional stage between the animation style and live action that would influence some people in their expectations of what the live action version would look like

inland plover
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live action isn't a style

inland plover
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CGI allows for a level of control that can make them look more natural & alive than if they were bits of plastic wiggling around a real person

dusty flume
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this is part of the reason why animation is great

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and not everything needs to be made live action to be legitimized

inland plover
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it will be interesting to see if characters that have stories spanning animation -> live action also make the jump back to animation in the future again

heady bronze
inland plover
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he didn't start out in animation

crimson sky
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It's happened with Ahsoka

inland plover
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did she appear in animation after Mando s2 and Boba Fett?

wary scaffold
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Tales of the Jedi

inland plover
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ah, right

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yeah, so it's been done, interesting

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I was thinking of something more substantial though; Tales is the equivalent of a couple of short stories

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not trying to dismiss this example, I just left a bunch unsaid in my initial comment

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someone was wondering who was cast as Thrawn upthread, I think

cobalt jay
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Kind of confirming what I think most people believed for years, despite the up and down rumors and Lars flat out denying it just a few weeks ago šŸ˜‚

inland plover
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why would you believe any word that comes out of an actor's mouth

their whole job is playing pretend šŸ˜›

heady bronze
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Reminds me of a certain ST: Discovery actor who was asked whether their character who had recently been revealed as a traitor from the start was really dead now: "I've lied to you people in every single interview I gave you - why are you still asking me stuff?"

short vault
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Was so edgy and cool

heady bronze
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I know it's been a while since the episodes aired, but since it's the other Star franchise, don't spoil stuff please.

(message with the character name deleted)

short vault
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ahh

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the episodes like 4 years old but ok

heady bronze
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Yeah, but it's a wonderful reveal and I wouldn't want to deprive anyone of it just because they read a completely unrelated discussion in a different franchise.

short vault
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true

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true true true

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my b

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I really liked that reveal too

granite bobcat
dusty flume
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He truly is the star wars heir to the empire

cobalt jay
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https://deadline.com/2023/04/wes-chatham-ahsoka-disney-1235322615/

I could see him as Eli Vanto if they decided to put him in it.
Though people are saying his character name is Enoch...not sure what the source is.

Deadline
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ā€˜The Expanseā€™ & ā€˜Hunger Gamesā€™ Actor Wes Chatham Joins ā€˜Ahsokaā€™ Liv...

EXCLUSIVE: Fresh off the conclusion of Amazonā€™s long-running sci-fi series The Expanse, actor Wes Chatham is heading back to space as the latest addition to Disney+ā€™s live-action Ahsoka series. Chaā€¦

lean trail
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Another Biblical character name would be on brand

dusty flume
midnight falcon
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Well actually it's a Rebels spinoff featuring 1 character from the series before that whose story no longer has anything that much to do with the series in which she originated.

wary scaffold
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Well actually it's more of a Rebels sequel than a spinoff

inland plover
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it's a cameo bottle episode reboot

midnight falcon
inland plover
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one keeps going in a pretty straight line, the other goes off on a bit of a tangent

split grotto
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E-Wings though

short vault
midnight falcon
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Bah. Gimme a Stormpilot series

heady bronze
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That could have been so good...

midnight falcon
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I know, right. They had the best chemistry of any people in the cast.

heady bronze
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Damn. Now I want to live in a world where Disney hadn't chickened out.

midnight falcon
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So Say We All

heady bronze
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Edward James Olmos as Poe's father? I could get behind that.

crimson sky
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Isn't he dead?

spare leaf
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If you're referring to Edward James Olmos, he seems to be very much alive.

crimson sky
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oh cool

heady bronze
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And Kes Dameron seems to be alive as well, though Wookieepedia says he was in fact a sergeant foot soldier for the rebellion who fought on Endor rather than leading a ragtag fleet through the unknown regions fleeing an imperial fleet - but I'll take what I can get.

crimson sky
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Both Poe's parents have significant roles in the 2020 Star Wars series too at a few points

lean trail
valid tusk
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While on the topic of cancelled shows that would've slapped, I want my star wars underworld show

spare leaf
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The loss of Star Wars: 1313 is still felt. It is lamentable what could have been.

timid jetty
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I have high hopes for ahsoka. Rosario dawson as a former wwe (like gina carano) can deliver that right mix of cheesy melodrama that star wars is known for. and i mean that in a good way

short vault
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I... don't think Rosario Dawson was in the wwe

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was she?

spare leaf
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No, but she has done plenty of character acting. The closest proximity to the organisation I can think of is her appearing in a show with Dwayne Johnson, but that seems to be the extent of her connection.

inland plover
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yeah the earlier comment sent me to google, and all I could find was some articles about her participating one time in some show or something

twin viper
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Neither was Gina, for that matter.

void karma
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Gina was an MMA fighter.

midnight falcon
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The WWE person is Sasha Banks, playing Koska Reeves under her real name of Mercedes Varnado

autumn viper
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#star-wars-general message

What are the chances itā€™s a new inquisitor? It looks like sheā€™s fighting 6th brother for like half a secondā€¦

valid tusk
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Wrong room whoops

valid tusk
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Or just a couple Vader fans so we can get a not lousy Kylo Ren vibes