still edge
**Season 1, Episode 5: **The Eye
Aired: October 12, 2022
Synopsis: Colorful local ceremonies and a spectacular meteorological light show serve as cover for Cassian Andor and the team of infiltrators who push forward on their mission.
Directed by: Susanna White
Written by: Dan Gilroy
What did you think!?
quasi seal
Wow
inland tinsel
You know, I thought it was a bit sketchy that the only 2 people who went down during the fight were the black dudes. Then the bodies kept falling.
(including, one assumes, all the hostages in the command post. That walk away from the base was a little too post-massacre-calm to bode well)
autumn fern
(including, one assumes, all the hostages in the command post. That walk away fr...
I wouldn't be surprised if the son lived and has a story to tell the ISB, but... well.
On the plus side, no gays were buried so far.
inland tinsel
They could just be gals being pals given how coy they've been with the blanket comment and reassuring hand squish compared to Bix getting it on with her dead toyboy 🙄
stark hawk
That Bix went to his home and that they had sex, despite what they each had done earlier, was the important bit there. That Vel and the healer are together and that Vel needs reassuring is the key element here. Considering that people already realized the two were in a relationship before this episode, I don't think it was all that coy.
stark hawk
I wouldn't be surprised if the son lived and has a story to tell the ISB, but......
nice shading how ruthless the rebels were (or at least tried to appear)
and I'm glad there was no attempt to soften them by having one of them try to reassure the kid or anything like that
autumn raft
(including, one assumes, all the hostages in the command post. That walk away fr...
yeah i got that same feeling, and honestly given the situation of being left behind cleaning up witnesses was "necessary"
rotund marsh
great episode.
Sad how it went down. Always had a feeling Skeen was a sumab**ch
Looking forward to the next 3-ep story arc.
stark hawk
interestingly, he doesn't say that he didn't have a brother
autumn fern
That Bix went to his home and that they had sex, despite what they each had done...
"People" in this case are often people with rainbows in their profiles. I don't think us going "uuuuhh, they might be queeeeer!" is a good indicator for what's decent representation.
stark hawk
he says he doesn't have a brother - which can mean the story is true, but that he's about the here and now
autumn raft
yeah i got that too
stark hawk
"People" in this case are often people with rainbows in their profiles. I don't ...
I'm not saying it's "good" representation. I'm saying it's not coy, compared to how the show does other things.
autumn raft
it'd make sense for him to have been there for a reason originally, its doubtful he was recruited with "oh hey we're gonna steal a lot of money"
he probably started wanting revenge and then once he learned he could make himself comfortable, changed his plans
autumn fern
Interesting idea. You're right, the call for applications most likely didn't include "Want to be part of a crew robbing millions of credits?"
I wonder if he started working towards his aim during the mission already - his cover fire seemed a bit lackluster too.
rotund marsh
No matter what though, he was still in it primarily for the credits
The fact that he lied or hid his intentions basically throws everything else he's previously said into question. But guess we will never know now.
autumn fern
not until the comics get their claws in him.
rotund marsh
The scene where he saw all those imperial credits for the first time was giveaway in hindsight. And the fact he didn't provide adequate cover is also telling, in light of what we find out about him (skeen)
autumn fern
(one of the things I like about Star Wars - if you like a character and think they got too little screen time in a movie, it's very likely they appear somewhere else too.)
rotund marsh
@autumn fern That's true. Let's see what happens.
That manifesto Andor was given is going to play a role in his turning too --- probably
He was probably the only true believer on the crew
autumn fern
"Signed up for the revenge, but then comfort and shinies became more interesting" seems like the most plausible explanation.
rotund marsh
Seems like the rebellion, at it's infancy now --- was pretty desperate and cash-strapped at the time. Surely there must be better ways to turn a quick profit.
Andor probably had it right, but there's no clear motive so far on his part, he's basically pulled along for the ride because he sees very little choice at the moment.
autumn fern
He was probably the only true believer on the crew
What does "true belief" mean though? At the point where you're okay with robbing an imperial garrison and not making off with the rewards yourself, you're definitely believing in something.
rotund marsh
@autumn fern believing in the cause. At least Nemik's perspective of it.
They had very intel going into the heist, and so many things could have gone wrong. They didn't even know how to read the cargo load on the freighter. Those are really bad odds going in and I was kinda surprised they pulled it off.
tbf...like 4 ppl survived.
autumn fern
<@288637828227661824> believing in the cause. At least Nemik's perspective of it...
I think there was definitely a sliding scale between "destroying what we hate" and "saving/rebuilding/creating what we love" where different characters fell on different points of it.
rotund marsh
@autumn fern I guess it depends how embittered or cynical a Rebel is. I think Nemik was overly romantic about the Rebellion, but that's jus me.
autumn fern
he was definitely overly romantic and idealistic, but then again, what's an appropriate amount of idealism for a cause like that?
rotund marsh
@autumn fern yh true true
rotund marsh
Skarsgard's Luthen probably has a more pragmatic approach to the Rebellion, but he's not in the trenches like the people doing the real work.
worthy flax
That laughter at the end, though
rotund marsh
@worthy flax hehehe...yer. Damn Skarsgard. He's amazing for this show. 😄
worthy flax
indeed
idle vessel
dang i knew not everyone was gonna make it out but i didnt expect it to just be two of em
sour jewel
It's about the survival rate I expected, though the last couple deaths weren't how I expected people to go.
The idealist literally being crushed by the hard realities of what is necessary to win.
And in hindsight very sensible that the most aggressively suspicious one was himself ready to betray them for a payout.
stark hawk
dang i knew not everyone was gonna make it out but i didnt expect it to just be ...
Not counting Andor?
stark hawk
The idealist literally being crushed by the hard realities of what is necessary ...
No heroics, just a workplace accident
still edge
Holy moly that was awesome
stark hawk
I'd watched the episode half a day before commenting here. Usually I'm ablaze with a need for discussion, but this one had me just process it for a while.
Sign of quality, I think
rotund marsh
Didn't realize before, that the scene is using the lightshow to show how similiar the imperial soldiers are to the natives....that they could enjoy a simple thing together. Reminds me of the Xmas armistice.
Just watched Thor Skywalker discussing the episode and it made me realize it :S
stark hawk
Wasn’t Cinta supposed to give the airbase the all clear?
I don't think so, the rebels were always expecting company after takeoff
neon verge
They were expecting TIEs 9 min after the unauthorised departure iirc
But I just doubled checked, she’s radio’d to be “on stand by” for the airbase’s call
They mentioned they’ve detected a vault breach and she just, kills the comms
Then the airbase scrambles TIEs
lyric niche
Can I just say I realized and love that andors pistol is the same bryar pistol model that Kyle Katarn uses
Between that and more standardization of the imperial army being a thing. I love it .
restive crest
It was the literal weight of the material needs of revolution that killed the idealist revolutionary, juxtaposed with the pragmatist Cassa who starts to get an inkling for rebellious ideas.
idle vessel
i wish i could remember any of the character's names lol
inland tinsel
They mentioned they’ve detected a vault breach and she just, kills the comms
Yeah, that's right...
neon verge
The uniform she dons is also a bit more fancy than any of the other officers present on the base 
long mural
That handing of the manifesto was a great move by the writers.
Now I understand Andor's line in Rogue One, "I'm not proud of all the things I've done. There's got to be a reason for it, right?"
idle vessel
I do find it amusing that Andor continues to prove the guy who tried to run off right by shooting anyone he can't be bothered to deal with
Including him
neon verge
He’s a very trigger happy fellow lol
idle vessel
Renegade shep
still edge
@mortal crown with the funnies
inland tinsel
Shooting people who aregoing to be a problem is an intrinsically defining Star Wars trait
rotund marsh
Nemik has some of the best dialogue in episode 6 for Andor. I gotta rewatch that.
autumn raft
Shooting people who aregoing to be a problem is an intrinsically defining Star W...
its how we are introduced to Han, after all.
gaunt pier
The uniform she dons is also a bit more fancy than any of the other officers pre...
Yeah, I’m still not sure what to make of it. Was the uniform her exfil plan or was she a deep cover agent? After all, Cinta was the one that shot the Colonel, so if she is deep cover, she has no issue killing fellow Imperials to continue to sell it. But that’s not entirely surprising if she’s “the toughest one here” as described by Skeen?
neon verge
I might be overthinking it, but the way they focus on her ignoring the airbase, killing the comms, then dimming the lights makes me think otherwise
night tusk
autumn fern
Yeah, I’m still not sure what to make of it. Was the uniform her exfil plan or ...
Interesting question indeed. The more I think about her, the less her actions seem to make sense both from a rebel and from an imperial perspective.
Her actions almost tanked the mission, but if just tanking the mission was her objective, an "Hey guys, rebels are about to rob you" would have been the way easier option.
The only benefit tanking the mission in this way has is that they'll be shot down by TIEs, making it less likely there could be survivors to interrogate.
I assume we're still missing something - a third faction.
That said, I'm reasonably sure the officer's uniform was the intended way for her to get out - the others obviously don't plan to wait around for her, so she has to find her own way.
gaunt pier
Unless her objective isn’t to thwart a single heist, but to burrow even deeper into a nascent Rebel cell. But that theory kind of depends on knowing the TIEs wouldn’t be effective in catching them in the first place. Then again, that’s sort of standard Imperial MO going back to the original movie when Vader/Tarkin showed no compunction about sending troopers and pilots to their deaths, just to sell Han, Luke, and Leia’s escape
stark hawk
She would have needed to know the codes or whatever to give the all clear to the garrison, right?
gaunt pier
Probably something that Lt Gorn could have easily provided I bet.
stark hawk
We don't know. My impression is that there's enough other staff there that this wouldn't have been part of his duties and maybe too risky to acquire.
gaunt pier
A distinct possibility, true.
neon verge
She’s told to be on stand by for giving the airbase the all clear
Because they should be calling “soon”
autumn fern
Unless her objective isn’t to thwart a single heist, but to burrow even deeper i...
Then having the mission be entirely successful would have been preferable. Consider that right now, only Vel and (marginally) Cassa know about Luthen. If both die, an imperial Cinta has lost her connection.
gaunt pier
But, consider this…. That could also explain why Cinta was getting so close to Vel. Sure Vel is the cell leader and her being the only one who meets with Luthen insulates the cell, but we also don’t know what Vel let slip via pillow talk.
And a foiled mission could be Cinta’s “in” at replacing Vel as Luthen’s contact. I base this new theory on absolutely nothing of course.
inland tinsel
Well, Vel doesn't say squat about leaving Cinta behind, so her exfiltrating on her own is clearly something she expects, and given the other 2 don't ask says they also expected her to exfil in some fashion other than the shuttle.
neon verge
Yeah Vel has a chat with her about if she’ll be fine being left behind
autumn fern
And a foiled mission could be Cinta’s “in” at replacing Vel as Luthen’s contact....
I would completely agree that being useful on a failed mission can be helpful for advancing, but, again: Vel is apparently the only one with the Luthen connection. There is no advancement if she doesn't know where to advance to.
peak valley
Allright, i was afraid they’d mess this episode up. But so far this show has really been a positive surprise.
late girder
sacred quest
Oh good, it is a datapad with a leather cover, not a book
https://www.starwars.com/databank/nemik-s-manifesto
autumn fern
I assumed as much.
idle vessel
do books not exist in star wars
stark hawk
livid jetty
Do we know what the blaster used by the Corporate Police Force was?
I mean the rifle specifically
inland tinsel
Why are some people calling the beach planet at the end of the ep a flashback?
gaunt pier
As far as I can tell, it's because ||Andor has no scar on his left shoulder (where he got shot on Ferrix and where Cinta was patching him up on Aldahni)|| Also, this is the episode 6 spoiler chat, you want episode 7.
