JShell project for Tj-Bot!

[bright lark]

Yea but that comes after usecases and actors

[compact holly]

right, wazei you are rushing it, first we determine usecase and actors

[bright lark]

Remember this is the hard part

[compact holly]

oh man, I miss uni, life was so simple back then

[timber mirage]

I hope you are not in dark mode

[compact holly]

now i'm almost homeless

[bright lark]

Can' see it in darkmode

[compact holly]

we should first decide on color scheme tho

[sterile crest]

it's not very tj-colour-theme

[compact holly]

I like catppuccin and one dark

[sterile crest]

at least they're trying to do diagrams

we're just trolling marko

let's be more positive and contribute

[compact holly]

right

which color should be dominant then?

flamingo, mauve or maroon?

[sterile crest]

black ig?

as long as white isn't the dominate colour

[compact holly]

of course, it has to be dark mode and easy for the eyes

I guess I meant main accent colors

[sterile crest]

ala made a typo he has 2 diagram 1's

[bright lark]

Alright, it would have more sense if we put the actor who dispatching interaction, and instead of "2+2" we say "instructions"

[compact holly]

i like pinkish hues with dark background, also some reds and greens

but always tinted, with some white added

so they are nice and pastel

[sterile crest]

i think you're missing a step ala

the api just creates and runs?

i thought it deletes too

and reads?

[compact holly]

80% of the purpose of the diagram is to make it sexy, and show your dominance to other nerds that use diagrams that look like shit from the the 80's

it shows your technical superiority

[bright lark]

Btw does containers in vps scalable?

[compact holly]

yes

[sterile crest]

yes

[compact holly]

you can generate them for free

but we should tackle scalability at some point

[bright lark]

Do they do patterns like circuitbreaker and retry?

[compact holly]

also availability and reliability

[bright lark]

Monitoring will be nice

[compact holly]

what if meteor hits germany, and our vps goes down?

[bright lark]

These stuff has to be shown on the diagram

[compact holly]

yup

i suggest meteor in red

[sterile crest]

firas's azure solution solves that

[compact holly]

and germany in well..

[bright lark]

We said that we can't , no need to reopen it

[compact holly]

okay gonna leave this chat, love you guys so much

[bright lark]

Why u leave!

[compact holly]

it's just too hiliarous and shitposty

[sterile crest]

he read we can';t move to azure and is gonna go cry 😦

[compact holly]

I should lead by example, and be responsible

[sterile crest]

it's okay to have fun

jshell is one of our biggest features

[bright lark]

Yes

[compact holly]

and not crying in my room from laughing, thinking about diagraming meteor hitting the gemrany, and us losing our vps

this peepo x100

[sterile crest]

man that makes u laugh

[compact holly]

around metoer and germany

[sterile crest]

when ala randomly popped up with a diagram killed me

[timber mirage]

new pr about readme https://github.com/Together-Java/JShellPlaygroundBackend/pull/48

[sterile crest]

i thought firas was gonna do it but ala taking initative was suprising !

glad he's working on it

[compact holly]

look, it's firas idea to diagram that

[sterile crest]

Lmfao

i just noticed

[timber mirage]

Probably a good idea, comment this on the pr

[bright lark]

Where is the problem i dnt get it

[sterile crest]

https://www.svgrepo.com/show/4217/meteor.svg

[bright lark]

It's a good idea isn' t it

[sterile crest]

i found an svg to put on the diagram

[compact holly]

nah, i hate those modern flat icons with no soul

[sterile crest]

this?

[compact holly]

find some really red and cool comic looking meteor

[compact holly]

like that, but hand drawn art is 100x better

[bright lark]

It would be useful to commit the source file of the diagram to be able to modify it

[sterile crest]

okay u find it

[compact holly]

look at old anime and modern anime

[bright lark]

Meteor ?

Wtf

[sterile crest]

i think we can add a cool section about "outer worldly disasters" and have aliens/space ships etc

on how we scale to avoid that

[compact holly]

okay, I will be in charge of the metoer

[sterile crest]

and the risk mitigations

[bright lark]

[sterile crest]

if only azure was possible then we'd have TJ sharded across different regions

[compact holly]

there is even a guide!

[sterile crest]

jshell uses spring under the hood

[compact holly]

https://rhuarizackery.blogspot.com/2023/02/17-how-to-draw-meteors.html

[sterile crest]

we can deffo take advantage of spring cloud

and use consul and kubernetes

[compact holly]

I can rent you guys rpi kubernates cluster

[sterile crest]

why rent

AWS is free: https://aws.amazon.com/eks/

(it's not free)

[compact holly]

don't have time to research that

gotta learn first how to draw meteors

[bright lark]

Pls leave

Alr to sum up: marko isn't persuaded that. This project will succeed

It's obvious

[bright lark]

Ok ill take a look

[compact holly]

i just got distracted from all the diagraming

where did we left of

usercase and actor diagrams

[timber mirage]

It's like the 4th times in a row you got distracted

[compact holly]

but we do need to pick tools to create diagrams in, so we all have consistent diagrams

and color scheme

maybe a quick vote?

[sterile crest]

Preferably something we want donate to tjbot once we're done

[timber mirage]

I vote to do something simple for now

and we fix that later

[compact holly]

now ala is memeing too

"let's just ship it, and we will fix that later"

[timber mirage]

Anyway, I worked enough on this project, it's time for a pause game

[timber mirage]

We already shipped it

[sterile crest]

Ala if you leave, I'm gonna end up doing it my way

I can get PRs approved by myself I have 2 GH accounts after all

[timber mirage]

I can't take a pause after working for 4H while you were chatting and going off topic every 3 minutes ?

[compact holly]

nothing is more premantent than a temporary solution

[sterile crest]

Ohh

I thought you meant long term

Sorry myb

[compact holly]

so if we do diagrams, we gotta do them right

[timber mirage]

I said, "it's time for a pause game"

[compact holly]

firas is on top of that, no worries

[timber mirage]

do you think I would play game for a long term ?

[sterile crest]

Sorry selective hearing

Enjoy your game ala

I'll discuss with firas and Marko about the types of diagrams we need

Hopefully when you're back we will have concluded

@bright lark can you make a list of what you think is needed and don't stop at point 1?

[compact holly]

I vote for .md list personally

[bright lark]

Yes but it must be refined

[compact holly]

most modern software supports it

[bright lark]

As we go

[sterile crest]

We can using docsaurus

[bright lark]

Docusaurus is kinda lux and can wait

[sterile crest]

Its like mdbooks on steroids

[compact holly]

does discord and github support docosarusu?

.md is universal

[stray wren]

Looks like you attempted to use a command? Please note that we only use slash-commands on this server 🙂

Try starting your message with a forward-slash / and Discord should open a popup showing you all available commands.
A command might then look like /foo 👍

[compact holly]

...fuck you

[sterile crest]

GH does

Well

[compact holly]

• look
• simple

[sterile crest]

Yeah it will, so it's the "rendering"

It's all .md files

Just the tool makes a pretty website

[bright lark]

Some md files can help:
1 improved readme
2 contributing guide
3 architecture (uc, actors, flow)

[compact holly]

nono, before md files

we need a list

1. improved readme 
2. contributing guide
3. architecture (uc, actors, flow)

see, list ;Hap

[sterile crest]

That's the same list wym

[compact holly]

make a list like that, point by pint

[sterile crest]

Oh

Formatting

[compact holly]

and lists can have sublists

[sterile crest]

• test

• test

[compact holly]

right

so we can have a whole outline

[bright lark]

Alright make sense

[compact holly]

what should be done, and substeps and summary/explanation of each

[bright lark]

Look please, can somebody writes now a short overview on the what and why of the project

[compact holly]

no, you are the best man for this job!

[bright lark]

Alright correct me if im wrong

[sterile crest]

Do you want that in the form of a User Story?

[compact holly]

just persist your thoughts on paper

we can refine it later

[bright lark]

" the jshell project is a subsystem in discord bot to play with code on discord"

[compact holly]

"play" wording seems too jovial and childish

we do seroius work with jshell

[sterile crest]

AS A user
I WANT TO be able to run java code within discord
SO THAT I can give live running examples of code executing to people in #1051826284008853505 or in relevant tech channels

[compact holly]

people flew rockets to the moon using just jshell

it's not some toy

[bright lark]

Is jshel part of tjbot?

[sterile crest]

User story

[compact holly]

kinda?

depends how you look at it

it's a feature of the tjbot

[bright lark]

I look at it as a separate app

[compact holly]

but most of the work is done by a separate project, jshell backend

which has the API and jshell wrapper

[sterile crest]

Jshell is and we should treat it as a provider for TJ bot

[bright lark]

That means, jshell can be detached from tjbot

[sterile crest]

Yes

[bright lark]

And tjbot can work without jshell

[sterile crest]

It already is

[compact holly]

yeah, tjbot uses jshell as a dependency, kinda

[bright lark]

[sterile crest]

Anybody can add jshell to their projects by calling the API

It's just rn a private api

[bright lark]

Ok

[sterile crest]

Which makes 0 sense tbh

But whtev

[bright lark]

Why ?

[compact holly]

he is not a gifted engineer like ala

and doesn't think about the future

and flexibility

[sterile crest]

There is no future

[compact holly]

see, he is also depressed :(

[sterile crest]

Once that metor hits

Life is over

[compact holly]

but the idea is, anyone can use the api, and have code execution

as simple as that

[sterile crest]

Yeah but nobody can because it's private

But if you want a public API there's one currently hosted

[bright lark]

I just checked the licence

[compact holly]

right, that's the monetization part

we sell the public api

for crypto coins

or, public api acess is done with nfts

on a blockchain

[sterile crest]

What did you find

Are we screwed?

[compact holly]

remember, we have to eat and survive, and somehow pay for the server costs

[sterile crest]

Marko wait the license might say we can't sell

We might have to... Open source

[compact holly]

we can write our own jshell, it's fine

it's just javac

[sterile crest]

Actually I already did

[compact holly]

in a trench coat

[compact holly]

see, no biggy

[sterile crest]

If we compile with a different java, the bytecode is gonna be diff, therefore no copyright

[bright lark]

Alright, heres an overview
"Jshell Is a system that can integrate any sort of clients to run java code"

[compact holly]

well, maybe not any

[sterile crest]

"any sort" that's some serious wording

[compact holly]

yeah, we could be sued

if someone fails to run jshell on their toaster

[sterile crest]

Any internet connected device ?

[compact holly]

who would have thought defining jshell would be this hard

it's also confusing, because there is jshell, which is not ours

and jshell which is ours

[sterile crest]

Jshell itself can't integrate but other people can with jshell

[bright lark]

Or we can say for discord only, that could work as it's our case

[sterile crest]

We need a proper name, we can't call it jshell

[bright lark]

But for future, it's better to think about integrating a list of clients in which discord

[sterile crest]

That'll get us sued

TJ code runner?

[compact holly]

it's not catchy enough to gain massive userbase

[sterile crest]

Then we can extend it further and support multiple languages

[compact holly]

and it's not search engine optimized

we need something.. that leaves lasting impression

[sterile crest]

What do you suggest?

[bright lark]

Thats lux and not priority

[sterile crest]

It affects our design though

[bright lark]

I like the use "tj"

Tj playground

[sterile crest]

We need some strategy that allows us to swap between systems based on a config

[sterile crest]

How about TJ Sandbox?

TJ playground might conflict with TJ Plays

[bright lark]

This one is nice

Alright, so discord is our first client

[sterile crest]

Sweet, Marko you happy with the rebranding?

[compact holly]

i still in needs to be catchy to spearhead current market trends

[bright lark]

For that, jshell must have a well documented api

[compact holly]

we want news article written about it

[sterile crest]

I can make TJ Sandbox amazing

[compact holly]

caling it "scandalous!"

[bright lark]

To get secret token and a use endpoints

Focus pls

[compact holly]

that slogan is too simialr with "make america great again", might be too inflammatory

[bright lark]

The name is last concern

[sterile crest]

We made the mistake in the java discord framework

Right now we literally named it JDA

We have no name

And it's causing problems

[compact holly]

:(

[bright lark]

Jshell is fine

Whats the prob??

[sterile crest]

Jshell is the name of an oracle provided tool

That we are using

[bright lark]

It could be tj jshell

[compact holly]

i know, confusing

we are gonna need a diagram for naming as well

to avoid confusion

[sterile crest]

How about a poll

[bright lark]

Where?

[compact holly]

you think people will google for tj shell?

[bright lark]

Yes if it shines

[compact holly]

they will google "run this bitch ass piece of shit code"

but RTBAPOSC is too... wordy

[sterile crest]

TJ shell is ok too imo

How about we get this backed by a company?

[compact holly]

now we are talking

[sterile crest]

WannaCall Open Source Cloud Code Executor

[compact holly]

ugh.. not that company

[sterile crest]

Fk u

[compact holly]

we need some billionaire funding

[bright lark]

We dnt have

And u know tht's quite difficult

[compact holly]

I will bill $500/hr for my consultancy

but i'm humble

i don't need much

[sterile crest]

Firas, any ideas how we will host this?

If it gets big then we need something good

[bright lark]

Im wondering why not using one springboot app

Why the wrapper is there?

[sterile crest]

Like jshell, when 0 containers are running we could mine bitcoin and whenever somebody invokes the slash command we can then stop the mining, execute the jshell then resume mining

[compact holly]

how much does it cost to use springboot as a host?

[sterile crest]

How do you host spring boot?

[compact holly]

bitcoin is too expansive to mine

we should create our own coin

[bright lark]

In vps as a container

[compact holly]

and do a rugpull

[sterile crest]

But the VPS is small

[compact holly]

wazei likes them big

[bright lark]

What are the requirements

Ram, hardrive, os?

[compact holly]

goddamn, firas asking for requirements

[sterile crest]

Something that can serve all our users

[compact holly]

currently we have 4, but we need millions to make this profitable

[sterile crest]

We have 30k+ people and it's not in the realm of impossible that everyone might invoke the command at the same time

[bright lark]

Strange! If it's unfeasible

Then why we talk about it??

[compact holly]

it's possible, just not very probable

[sterile crest]

I've never wrote software that's scaled for 1000s of users

I'm new to this

Trying my best to learn

[bright lark]

Springboot gives ways to minimize config

[compact holly]

what about the database tho?

[sterile crest]

Why not vert.x??

[compact holly]

do we need sharding?

and we need many db servers for that many users

[bright lark]

Firebase

[compact holly]

and some load balancer and a message queue

[sterile crest]

Vert.x is the most performant java library

[sterile crest]

Omg this is a good idea

[bright lark]

🤷‍♂️

[bright lark]

I know but springboot is optimized asf too

[compact holly]

and it minimzes config..

[bright lark]

Number of threads, timeout

[sterile crest]

Doesn't matter, vert.x shits on any spring optimization out of the box

[compact holly]

we need some diagrams for this too firas, write it down on that big list of yours

[sterile crest]

I once did a speed run with Number Engineer

Since he thought his homebrew shit was good

My vert.x app destroyed his codebase 😂

[compact holly]

quite an expert performance bechmarking team

[bright lark]

Guys i have 8% charge

[sterile crest]

Oh fuck

[bright lark]

Im gonna leave now

[compact holly]

backup your list firas

[sterile crest]

Cya soon firasnn

[bright lark]

I need some time

Seriously

[compact holly]

we gonna forget all these ideas

[sterile crest]

Sure get back to us tomorrow firas

I'm sure we can figure it out

[bright lark]

Ill try

I like the collab with u

[sterile crest]

Thanks for the help and guidance btw, we really appreciate it

This project almost failed but I feel reassured with you here

[bright lark]

I want to help this server as it helped me

[sterile crest]

Somebody who understands how to lead and develop software

It's good to have you here

Enjoy the rest of your night

[bright lark]

Good night

[sterile crest]

Goodnight!

[bright lark]

get ready tomorro

[sterile crest]

I'm excited to see what you come up with

[compact holly]

man, I can't wait for all the girls to jump on me when they hear I participated in creating tj jshell

my thoughts wandered a bit...

and I thought about a great feature for jshell

imagine if we generate a AI girl voice to do asmr java readout of code you submitted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRGa48KhRhw

like this

maybe even some animu girl

a service to make programmers sleep safer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfi6iHeMUd0

like this, just java instead of gf

okay, that was enough, I think I will end up on some watchlist

but if you use this idea, i want 20%

[sterile crest]

Wtf

That's going in memes

[timber mirage]

Please

It's the 5th time

Why are you always going off topic

@compact holly

[compact holly]

good stuff, right

like that but for java

when you post java code, you can format it, run it, or losten to it

[bright lark]

Back

Not sleep yet, id like to know somthing

[compact holly]

enjoy your vacation man, jshell will survive

sleep is important too!

[bright lark]

Why not making tjbot directly dispatches jshell containers

[compact holly]

then we can delete the whole api thing?

[sterile crest]

I have the same thoughts and got told I have depression for such thoughts

[compact holly]

i think that's what ala meant with 'reduce complexity'

[bright lark]

I dnt get why setting a rest api while it's not going to be used by other clients

[sterile crest]

Exactly

We don't need it because they're thinking of a non existent future

[compact holly]

waz doesn't believe in our future :(

[sterile crest]

The code should be flexible enough where we can make such changes but there's no requirement for it rn

There's no problem making it an API later when we need it

[bright lark]

I think it's obvious

[sterile crest]

But now it's just a wasted resource on the VPS with problems around docker networking that aren't even needed for the feature

[compact holly]

we could also remove docker and all that jshell stuff

[bright lark]

Keep it selfcontained

[compact holly]

and just run stuff in aws lambdas

serverless architecture

[bright lark]

I think you're right

that's an option

But is it free?

I dnt know

[sterile crest]

Yes

It's free

[bright lark]

Ohboy

[sterile crest]

We can even support multiple languages right out of the box and for any of the non-natively supported ones, we can setup

[compact holly]

now we are talkin'

[sterile crest]

The API could be:

domain.com/<language>

[compact holly]

we need to diagram that idea too

[bright lark]

It's good to think about abstracting the feature so it could be added or detached

[compact holly]

do we use openapi spec?

[sterile crest]

Yeah we have to

If we want to use APIGW

Otherwise it'll be direct function URLs

Which is OK too ig

[compact holly]

i think proper way is mediation

and generate api from the spec

not the other way around

[sterile crest]

That's how I've been doing it for wannacall

It's driven by an OpenAPI spec

[compact holly]

that way it's very pure and mmmm

[sterile crest]

AWS enforces contracts specified in the openapi spec too

So that's a bonus

[bright lark]

New actor

to consider

[sterile crest]

💯

[compact holly]

actors?

you mean for commercials?

i think only boomers watch tv

[sterile crest]

YouTube ads

[bright lark]

Actors interacting with the system

[compact holly]

ww should have marketing campaign on ticktok

[sterile crest]

I've actually got 2 developers that work for my company

[compact holly]

real actors are expansive tho

[sterile crest]

I can bring them on board if you need commercial support from a real company ykno

[compact holly]

i think someone from the community can record something

[sterile crest]

I technically have a Dev team now

[compact holly]

ye, we can record them ☺️

(with consent of their parents ofc)

[sterile crest]

I have London offices too (no cap, we can book them)

For free because I pay early for my London office

You can find my address on companies house

If you search the company name

Just tell me when and I'll book some rooms

[bright lark]

[sterile crest]

You guys should all fly out, there's whiteboards there

[compact holly]

pog, i have a multi-canera setup to record dynamic scenes imvolving humans

[sterile crest]

Actually, meta have created VR meetings

So everyone wears a headset and then we're all in a virtual office together

[compact holly]

with like their avatars?

[sterile crest]

I saw the ads on the London underground once

Yeah with Bitmoji looking things

[compact holly]

jesus christ

[sterile crest]

It looked like a cool idea tho

[compact holly]

how about emails? and no human interaction?

no meetings 🚫

[sterile crest]

I'm buying taz a MacBook btw

I'm a good boss

[bright lark]

wtf how this relevant

[compact holly]

because you can't legally pay him?

[sterile crest]

Ah sorry myb

[sterile crest]

I can

In his country he's earning 2x minimum wage

[compact holly]

so you pay in gift cards and mcdonalds coupomns?

[sterile crest]

My other employee told me I'm paying him more than what his mum earns

So idc they're happy and I'm winning

[compact holly]

having child labour is not like it used to be man.. :(

[sterile crest]

You can't say it's unethical because they would be on lower salaries working local

It's all geographical inflation

[compact holly]

right, clasic capitalist sweatshop excuse

[sterile crest]

They're happy with it though, I treat them well

[compact holly]

b..but minimal wage is 1$ there!

[bright lark]

Guys pls talk about this in #chit-chat

[compact holly]

so im not exploiting kids!

[sterile crest]

Only Taz is the youngly the other one is 20

Taz is 18 this year

And the other guy actually signed a contract

[compact holly]

what?

[sterile crest]

Yeah

[compact holly]

he was 14 like yesterday..

[sterile crest]

I know lolol he's 17

[compact holly]

goddam, they grow up so quick

[sterile crest]

Squid was the worst shock for me

He was 16

Now he's like 21

18*

Once we launch, I'll give them senior positions

And once income is stable, they'll be on legit money

[compact holly]

senior before even becoming adult

[sterile crest]

Haha Taz is a clever guy man

So is the other one

They're both really talented at least in the positions I have them in

[compact holly]

anyway, we are offtopic..

back to diagrams

[sterile crest]

It's on topic kinda

I can bring my Dev team to work on jshell

If we need the support

[compact holly]

that's OP

[sterile crest]

They're blasting through the wannacall backlog quicker than I can keep up

[bright lark]

https://tenor.com/view/bleach-yhwach-let-him-cook-rain-gif-2488628235910922683

[sterile crest]

So I need to slow them down otherwise they'll have nothing to do

[compact holly]

ye, that's most dangerous position

[sterile crest]

Beauty of "work your own hours and days" is that they wanna do the work even though they're allowed to work only 10 mins in 1 month!

[compact holly]

they get creative when they have nothing to do

and manage to escape

[sterile crest]

Lolol

[compact holly]

find friends and gfs.. discover fun things to do

bad for buisiness

[sterile crest]

No no, I promote it

My new guy is out partying with his friends tonight

Enjoying his employment

I'm happy for him

Anyways back on topic

Jshell

I mean

TJ Sandbox

[compact holly]

right.. diagrams

where to start..?

[sterile crest]

The multi programming language runner

Marko fr

I think we should really talk about what this jshell api is meant to be providing us

Do we really need to limit ourselves to java?

Or use crappy implementations?

[compact holly]

do you want anything in life except java?

[sterile crest]

You can't be happy with 1 lover

You need more

[compact holly]

we should support all languages

[bright lark]

Start with java and set a place for others

[sterile crest]

This tool needs to be a harem for programmers

[compact holly]

but slowly neg and wear down users

"look.. this would be only 5 lines in java!"

[sterile crest]

The thing is, it affects implementation

[bright lark]

We can consider evolutions in design

[sterile crest]

The good thing is that we can already kinda support it

We use docker images

We can have multiple for each lang

But our API needs to support it and we need to refactor the service to accommodate

[compact holly]

ah, greed ☕

[bright lark]

Why not getting rid of the rest api? And make tjbot do the work of it?

[sterile crest]

I would rather we made a public API for everyone

It'll be such good marketing for our server too

But sure let TJ do it

We don't need an API this moment

[compact holly]

why do any work actually, we can just use already made discord bots for this

i think we finally cracked this one boys

[sterile crest]

Sorry that's a thing??

Why did we even code it then??

[compact holly]

it's time to pack the diagrams

[bright lark]

Combine both apps

[compact holly]

because we could

[bright lark]

Into one

[compact holly]

to prove the point

[sterile crest]

What point, we're already skilled enough to develop any application we want

[bright lark]

There is a way out to not lose the api

[compact holly]

exactly

so we are just doing side quests at this point

[sterile crest]

Tbh jshell kinda is

[compact holly]

like how im gonna go out in 2am, with gloves

and climb some trees or buildings

to work on my grip and upper back strength

just doin' side quests, getting strong

[bright lark]

Offtopic time

[sterile crest]

Marko gets distracted really easily

Can't blame him, he's only 19

[compact holly]

it's the lack of diagrams

i already forgot what we were working on

[bright lark]

I can see way out, combining tjbot and jshel as one app is feasible

Any agreement?

[sterile crest]

What about a brand new discord bot firas?

[compact holly]

that way is decoupled from tjbot, and easier to scale

[bright lark]

A new bot can contact tjbot api

[sterile crest]

And we can sell it to other servers if we wanted to

Well

A new bot that does everything you want

But it's purposes is just running code

[compact holly]

i nevee thought of that

[bright lark]

Tj bot will have its rest api, the dtaabae is there to store multiple clients

🤷‍♂️

[compact holly]

so we bring spring to tjbot?

[bright lark]

Yes why not

It works

[sterile crest]

Amazing idea firas

[bright lark]

Correct me if im wrong pls

[compact holly]

that way we can remove whole jshell project

[sterile crest]

I think you're correct

[compact holly]

and we won't have to maintain any of that

ezpz

[sterile crest]

Firas, what about restructuring TJ bot?

[compact holly]

nah, too expansive at this point

[sterile crest]

We can make each slash command a microservice

[compact holly]

we could refactor it into microservices tho

[bright lark]

This is what i thought long time ago

[compact holly]

our brains waz, are on anoyher level

[sterile crest]

I'm just realising your ambitions now

Our TJ discord framework is really good for this because it supports spring style coding

[compact holly]

man, imagine this server in 5 years, if we follow firas

[sterile crest]

You guys don't know this but we support dependency injection via @Component in our framework

We coded it ourselves

[sterile crest]

Well given the ideas

We should split up into multiple servers

[compact holly]

how firas sees us in few tears

[sterile crest]

Like TogetherJava, TogetherPython etc

But use the bot to link everything

[bright lark]

The next level yea

[compact holly]

like a highway

[sterile crest]

We can use web hooks to mask users

[compact holly]

or an artery

[sterile crest]

So it's all cross communication

[bright lark]

That means somthing

[compact holly]

or a heart of beating pulsating

nvm

[sterile crest]

It looks like this

If we don't use the embed

Then it'll show as app

But that's okay, it's like a "tag" to tell people the message came from a different server

[compact holly]

gonna send an email to elon musk about this

i think he would be interested in our plans

[sterile crest]

I even pipe logs to discord

Example

Uses AWS cloud watch and discord web hooks

[compact holly]

but who watches the aws cloud watch?

[sterile crest]

It's piped to discord

I use it in conjunction with the alarms in the first screenshot

If an alarm fires, I can see the entire execution logs too in discord

Saves me going to AWS

[compact holly]

kinda pay2win

[sterile crest]

It's free stfu

[compact holly]

i can do all this with a bash script

[sterile crest]

Why would you do it yourself

But somebody else can

You're a true Labourer

I'm a director

[compact holly]

maybe you are right

just a toxic masculinity on my part

the need to show how superior i am with my work

[sterile crest]

So then contribute code to jshell

[compact holly]

let nerds do the log piping

[sterile crest]

I've never seen you write a single line of code

[compact holly]

while i pipe their moms

[sterile crest]

The only things I've seen against your name on TJ Bot is GHAs and docker files

Write code Marko!!

[bright lark]

Offtopic..

Come back pls

[compact holly]

i do the things nobody else knows how to do

[sterile crest]

We need marko firas to help with the coding of jshell

[sterile crest]

Non standard "the marko stack"

[bright lark]

Thats not good at all

[compact holly]

im like specops

[bright lark]

app build must be concise and work in any env

[compact holly]

you send me to deal with issues nobody can handke

[sterile crest]

Marko uses tools that have GitHub readmes saying "hey don't use us in production"

I can't remember which tool it was on the vps

Whatever deploys our code I think

[compact holly]

marko uses tools he writes himself

because i solve only problems that havent been solved yet

[bright lark]

Maybe it's the ideal time to change this

[compact holly]

to prove the world it's possible

[bright lark]

Going to sleep cya

[compact holly]

and yeah, my infra has higher availability than google

[sterile crest]

Sorry he went off topic again

As an admin he does a bad job of keeping things relevant

[compact holly]

i can do more with $3 than most can with thousands

gonna go do my training

[sterile crest]

Dw firas, I'll become admin soon and introduce law to this server

[compact holly]

while city is empty

[sterile crest]

Have fun Marko

[compact holly]

had fun, until I didn't

skin is dark red, like blood left sitting for a day

on my hands

and blisters :'(

maybe I overdid the climbing around city thing

[bright lark]

Yoo

Hello ! Anybody there

[timber mirage]

hello

[bright lark]

Hello boss

I was checking updates

As u know im still in vaccations

i can discuss here

did i read the conversation of Yesterday ?

[timber mirage]

no

[bright lark]

While most of it is offtopic, the main thing is , we suggested that tjbot can perform the action of creating sandboxes

Rather than having a rest api

As there is constrants with infra like db and scalability

[timber mirage]

why do you want to change this?

what's the problem with the current approach?

[bright lark]

As i said, to sum up we have reviewed the what and why of jshell

We discussed about whether it's for tjbot only or other clients, we came to conclusion that it's onoy for tjbot

While it's possible that i'd have future clients, the current infra and financial options are not feasible to set it up as it should be

[timber mirage]

And ?

You are arguing that there is no advantage to one or the other approach here

[bright lark]

i think we agreed to 2 options:

1. Get rid of rest api and impl dockerservice logic in tjbot project

[timber mirage]

So why should we change aproach ?

Please answer my question

why should we change this ?

[timber mirage]

This argument is only about saying that there is no advantage to one or the other approach

you are not arguing in favor of tj bot

you gave no reason to why we should do a total rework

[bright lark]

Marko argues that jshell current approach (separate independent app) needs more space in infra for separate db, wrapper and api

[timber mirage]

the rest api doesn't have any db, and is very scalable, this argument is for the rest api, not the reverse

[timber mirage]

more space ?

[bright lark]

Space, memory, requirements

[timber mirage]

?

[bright lark]

I mean in vps

[timber mirage]

Why does it need more space ?

And if it needs more space, does it cause a problem ?

[bright lark]

Based on what marko said , yes

They suggested to make tjbot do the job with aws lambdas

[timber mirage]

And remember that it's a little bit too late to talk about that (just 1.5 year late)

[timber mirage]

Yea no

It's too late to change

If you wanted to do that, you should have come 15 months ago

[bright lark]

It's better than later

[timber mirage]

no

[bright lark]

i didnt tell u the 2nd option

Combine tjbot and rest api (we dnt lose it) as one application

[timber mirage]

isn't that what you said ?

and it's the same answer

[bright lark]

No

[timber mirage]

I don't see a point of doing that
It's too late
It's not very scalable
It could cause problems because we are mixing two things

[timber mirage]

No ? That's the same thing

[bright lark]

They could be split into 2 main packages

[bright lark]

It's not

[timber mirage]

What's the difference ?

[bright lark]

Get rid of api means no controllers no api endpoints to consume from any client including tjbot

[timber mirage]

yes?

[bright lark]

Rather, tjbot communicates directly with docker api

[timber mirage]

but that's the same thing

you get rid of the rest api and keep the rest

[bright lark]

1st option; tjbot -> jshel api > docker

2nd option: tjbot -> docker

[timber mirage]

then isn't the first option what we already have?

i don't understand

[bright lark]

Oh shit! Sorry

1st option: tjbot -> docker

2nd : tjbot -> docker AND jshelapi -> docker

[timber mirage]

wdym

[bright lark]

The fact is the rest api and tjbot becomes as one

[timber mirage]

what is 2nd option, do you delete the rest api ?

but then it's the same as 1st option

[bright lark]

No

Keep it running along with tjbot

I think that could work

[timber mirage]

then it's what we already have ?

@bright lark

[bright lark]

AFAIK jshell api is a seperate app

[timber mirage]

yes

[bright lark]

Its could be one spring boot app in which tjbot is running with api

Not 2 apps , but one

[timber mirage]

so you have spring within tj bot ?

[bright lark]

I think it's possible

[timber mirage]

but

[bright lark]

I saw some examples

[timber mirage]

what's the point of doing that ?

there is no advantages

only disadvantages

[bright lark]

One codebase, one database, one app

[timber mirage]

and so ?

[bright lark]

That should collide with the infra

[timber mirage]

what's the advantage of having one app ?

[bright lark]

With that dqlite db u can manage other clients

[bright lark]

Low memory consumption

[timber mirage]

That's wrong

[bright lark]

Low requirements

Less efforts

[timber mirage]

?

Low efforts ?

that's totally wrong

[bright lark]

That's what marko tried to explain ig

[timber mirage]

You can't have less effort than no effort
Remember that option 0 is doing nothing, which is no effort

[bright lark]

I dnt have ideas about infra setup, thts based on what he said

[timber mirage]

then I wish that marko explains it

but from what you said

that's a hard no

[bright lark]

He explained but i can rerwrite all what he said

Sorry, can't*

Anyway, im still positive for the project, we even progressed on oo design, but generally thats what happened sf

[timber mirage]

Well right

so it's seems speaking for saying nothing

if you want to contribute

note that there are a few (big) bugs to fix

some rework to do

some features to add

[bright lark]

Running locally is not a problem

But we have to think about seeing it in action in production

If that will not happen with current approach, that would be a mess

[timber mirage]

wdym

seeing what?

[bright lark]

Seeing jshell deployed

Isn't it?

[timber mirage]

wdym

we see it ?

[bright lark]

We see it here on discord

We try it

[timber mirage]

but?

[bright lark]

Live

[timber mirage]

right

but what?

what do we not see?

[bright lark]

Are u kidding ?

I told u that running the app locally in dev is not an issue to me

[timber mirage]

?

what's the problem?

[bright lark]

based on our discussion yesterday with Marko it seems that it's going to be deployed

It's not

[timber mirage]

it's already deployed since a few months

[stray wren]

System out

Version: 22.0.2+9
Vendor: Eclipse Adoptium
OS: Linux
Arch: amd64

[bright lark]

Hm

[timber mirage]

look

[bright lark]

Ok if it works, i wonder why he told us those stuff

[timber mirage]

you can try it if you want 🙂

[bright lark]

Maybe the big bugs are due to missing requireme ts or bad setup that can't repaired

[timber mirage]

the problem is that we have a bug

and we have no idea what is causing it

[bright lark]

Whats it?

[timber mirage]

the session killer randomly stop working

i created an issue about it

[bright lark]

Did u reproduced it locally??

[timber mirage]

no

that's the problem

[bright lark]

I think tht due to env

[timber mirage]

Not only that

It only happens after a few days of runtime

[bright lark]

Huh

[timber mirage]

and when I mean a few days, it's like between one day and one month

It's random

so not only we can't reproduce it in local, the time it takes to happens in prod is also a problem

[bright lark]

Hmm

I have an idea

Spring provide a way to perform a scheduled job

i thinl this can even happen with pipeline scriptz (notsure)

[timber mirage]

this is not the fault of the scheduler

changing it won't solve it

[bright lark]

Ig it does

[timber mirage]

we believe the cause is docker lib

we just added enough logs to confirm this theory next time it happens

[bright lark]

Alri

So now we wait

[timber mirage]

yep

we wait between a few days and one month

[bright lark]

Alright

Thts the only one?

[timber mirage]

don't hesitate to use it btw, in case it could cause the bug faster

[timber mirage]

no, we have many random stuff happening with docker lib

so the idea would be to at least simplify how we use it

[stray wren]

.FirasRgException's result

Snippets

Snippet 23, VALID

2+4```
jshell> `6`
## System out
[Nothing]

[bright lark]

I see

Btw it looks nice to calculate with tht

[timber mirage]

🙂

[bright lark]

But the command looks too small

[timber mirage]

wdym

[bright lark]

U can't put a method of 4/5 lines

[timber mirage]

ah you can

don't provide a code attribute

@bright lark did you try ?

[bright lark]

It want's me to write whole code in one line input

[timber mirage]

don't provide a code attribute

[bright lark]

It looks small and unworthy

[timber mirage]

listen

dont provide a code: ...

[bright lark]

Got nothing now

[timber mirage]

wdym

[bright lark]

Code is mandatory

[timber mirage]

ah

you are on mobile

don't be on mobile

[bright lark]

What

[timber mirage]

should look like this

ah and alternatively

[bright lark]

Alr, sorry u have to disconnct rn

[timber mirage]

for(int i = 0; i < 10; i++) System.out.println(i);

[bright lark]

Will comeback tomorro

[timber mirage]

wait a minute

look

[stray wren]

Detected code, here are some useful tools:

System out

0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

[bright lark]

Hmm ok

[timber mirage]

you can also right click, code action

then execute custom code

from someone

from a message

[bright lark]

There is problem

[timber mirage]

?

[bright lark]

If somebody put very long loop or infinite

[timber mirage]

try and see 🙂

[bright lark]

What would the output be

Ok

I can't now, maybe tomorro

[timber mirage]

well

[bright lark]

I have to go

[timber mirage]

there are different possible outputs depending of what you did

[stray wren]

Alathreon's result

Snippets

Snippet 24, VALID

while(true);```
## [WARNING] The code couldn't end properly...
Problematic source code:
```java
while(true);```
Cause:
Allowed time exceeded.

## System out
[Nothing]

[timber mirage]

if you just do a simple while true

you get this

but

if you do a while loop and do a try catch thread death, it won't be able to cancel it, and so will have to force destroy it

which would result in the session being destroyed and your code lost

[stray wren]

Alathreon's result

Request failed: Conflict. Session may have been forcibly destroyed.

[timber mirage]

see

@bright lark

[timber mirage]

Ah

the bug happened again

Alright

so it seems like an NPE

that happens because concurrency problem

so no wonder it was random

[bright lark]

Oh great

do We know what the issue now?

[timber mirage]

yes

[sterile crest]

@timber mirage tldr the issue?

do you need any help implementing the fix or are you good to sort it?

[timber mirage]

I could fix it myself, but I am trying to improve close because closing causes a ton of problems

[timber mirage]

Loop on the ids of the sessions, a session gets killed during that loop for whatever reasons, so the id doesn't point to anything, so NPE

If you could go on voc with me, it would be cool, I am trying to simplify close

[sterile crest]

sure thing, let's go into a support room

i can give as much input as i can but I can't stay too long

actually, can you call me private @timber mirage ?

[timber mirage]

why ?

[sterile crest]

i'm hiding kinda

[bright lark]

Gj

[bright lark]

Id like to but im not able

Still in vaccations

Tomorrow im gonna be home, will check with u

Howerver are u going to fix all issues as one or what?

[timber mirage]

@sterile crest so apparently, forcefully closing the container always cause this error
so we need the fancy close

[sterile crest]

Yeah I couldn't think of the solution besides just ignoring the exception

If it only throws in that situation maybe just log and ignore

[timber mirage]

Nah

found a way

I changed the whole logic

[bright lark]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-watching-movie-time-eating-chilling-gif-16782255

[timber mirage]

@sterile crest well
Even with gracefull death, it still errors

I have no idea why

it didn't do that before

[sterile crest]

Not sure from what we did

[bright lark]

Cool updates

Can u tell the file name pls and which method

Or which line

[sterile crest]

https://github.com/Together-Java/JShellPlaygroundBackend/blob/daddfe9253b9c1f81c8d1a8eab5c9cfc95df1569/JShellAPI/src/main/java/org/togetherjava/jshellapi/service/DockerService.java#L113

Knock yourself out Firas

I know you have the abilities to fully understand the code and fix the issues

[bright lark]

Thanks waz

May i know

How the impl of docker api was done?

• when was it done and by whom?
• was it from a ready working example or from official guide?

[sterile crest]

It was done ourselves

And it was done last year

The docker API itself is created by docker

So yeah, gl you're in the dark

[timber mirage]

it was done by @ebon river

well

the docker service that is

[sterile crest]

Even still, we fully understand the implementation of that

[bright lark]

Maybe we miss somthing

It's better to recheck official guide

[timber mirage]

it's empty

there is nothing

just look at the javadoc

there is nothing

[sterile crest]

Yeah docker gives 0 docs 😂

[bright lark]

https://github.com/docker-java/docker-java/blob/main/docs%2Fgetting_started.md

Did u see this?

[timber mirage]

yes

[bright lark]

also, I notice that we are using outdated version

Is there dependabot for jshel

[sterile crest]

Yeah

[timber mirage]

but you might notice that it is a "getting started", in other words, only help to setup it

[bright lark]

Yes but it could show something tht can help us

[sterile crest]

Feel free to use the latest version firas, it won't change the issue

[timber mirage]

good luck to find how the pipe stream works

[sterile crest]

I have some ideas on the pipe but I keep losing myself in the code flow

[bright lark]

Latest version has bugfix

Im going to see starting from tomorro

[sterile crest]

As I said, feel free to use it

The pipe issue is basic java, when a stream closes and then you read, you'll get an error

The problem is figuring out what we're doing wrong and why it's still trying to read

That's happening inside the docker SDK, because that spawns a thread

Maybe our use of close is wrong, maybe there's an additional method to call

[bright lark]

Hmm

[sterile crest]

Maybe we shouldn't close, maybe docker does it for us

All stuff to look into

[bright lark]

Like a lifecycle hook

[sterile crest]

Sure

[bright lark]

A lifecycle function

That can be used

[sterile crest]

Yeah maybe, you understand this stuff better than I do

I'm sure you'll see the problem immediately

[bright lark]

Thanks again, ig

[sterile crest]

Looking forward to your investigation results tomorrow

[bright lark]

Im gonna leave hotel tomorro at 1:30 pm,

Will be at home around 3:30pm

Ill start checking from 5 pm