torchbearer original bishop?

[buoyant tide]

HEAR ME OUT

what if torchbearer was the original bishop but the religion and idea of dema and vialism turned rouge because of nico or a different bishop or all of them or etc etc

torchbearer because hes a guide couldve been a potential bishop as they are now “guiding” people in maybe different version vialism

also in the Saturday video you see red hooded guards in the submarine, but how did they get to keons that fastly if they werent projecting just like torchbearer could?

back to the main theory- maybe the reason why he wants to destroy dema and denounce vialism is because his idea got taken and turned rouge and he knows how to stop it and he can spot those born with the power like him and the bishops.

“wait what about the banditøs?” well what if they were part of the original concept of dema and once dema turned rouge because of whomever (probably nico) they left with torchbearer.

and then with the whole torchbearer name to tie into this- the neon lights for the gravestones or just the lights in general would be like a hurting light or like a false light in life and the torch flames would be the naturally made light or the peace you seek without trying to force the peace with a false light. so torchbearer is the original bishop trying to promote natural mental health healing with a naturally made light while nico and the others have a falsely/forced made light trying to promote that self destruction is the only way to be at peace.

and heres where keons comes into play: what if keons was always on torchbearers side and stuck with nico to try and help denounce vialism in secret because he knew what it was supposed to be originally

and i dont know if someone has theorized this yet but since this clancy was in keons section the only reason he wouldve known about the bandito jacket is because keons mightve snuck it in there because of his relations with torchbearer and this clancy was told about the banditos and the jacket so thats why this clancy was trying to convince nico to take him outside the city and found the jacket.

with clancy now being known as a title this also makes sense as why there was a “nova bishop” set. this clancys name was most likely nova. but i find it a little odd that nova/clancy used red tape. was it red because the bishops used red for their robes?

also another theory that could work is maybe it was just nico at first and every other bishop was a former clancy and keons was a clancy but willingly went so that way torchbearer had an insider to help him.

but i might just be looking too into the details to be honest

[little pecan]

saturday mv bishops were standins to scare clancy into obeying afaik

[buoyant tide]

but how would they have been magically not with the others after the whole submarine and suddenly killing keons

and the bishop that was in dead center inside the sub was looking a little suspicious so what if the was keons trying to be a lil bit sneaky

[little pecan]

saturday bishops arent natn, they are either seized or willingly following orders

[buoyant tide]

but they could be projections like with tb

[torn skiff]

They could have been seized bodies.

[little pecan]

while true, i think the "powers" of the bishops are only in twos, and match their district (keons is fear of change, so has tb projection to always be there, for example) but thats a separate theory that might not play in

[buoyant tide]

but wouldnt they have noticed keons faster?

[placid ridge]

YO WAIT CHECK OUT MY THEORY I THINK WE GOT SOMETHING

[torn skiff]

If I recall correctly, they had veils, so it’d be hard to tell if their eyes were yellow.

[placid ridge]

this is tuff i love this theory

[torn skiff]

Could you expand on this a bit more?

[buoyant tide]

okok so how would they have not noticed keons was gone or seizing something else if they were all seizing together? because if they were projecting then thatd have been reasonable, but they if the were truly seizing then the only reason why they wouldve known is if said body just randomly dropped

i dont know if it was every mentioned but it could possibly be a power that he could be projecting AND seizing trash

or maybe they not because they might as well have noticed keons’ seized body just yknow dropped dead, but that doesnt explain how the dead centered bishop/siezed was moving, because i feel like during the big battle the glorified gone were all zombie like because the bishops couldnt fully control them all at them same time but they could give them an idea of what was to be done at that moment

so like if they were to be seizing many at a time they couldnt be THAT conscious could they?

[torn skiff]

Let me rewatch Saturday real quick, because I don’t think there were very many of the bishop guys on board.

[buoyant tide]

just keep in mind that there was probably another side to the whole control panel area, with the depth and width of the room it makes sense (guys i cant spell istg)

[torn skiff]

Okay, so here’s what I think happened.

[little pecan]

i still say it could be standins following orders

[torn skiff]

Each bishop, excluding Keons, seized a body to pilot the submarine while Keons maybe snuck off to seize Trash. I feel like this was Nico’s plan, based off his experience as Clancy in an earlier cycle, to root out a potential traitor. After confirming that Trash was seized, they went and found Keons, and I’m pretty sure you know what happened next.

[buoyant tide]

actually this makes a lot of sense