Not spoilers it already happened
#Peacemaker - Season 2
open peak
Hearing "one got out!!!!" Was just so bizzare to hear
Like I knew and believe tge theory
But somehow it still was just shocking to see
open peak
I thought earth x was just a nazi timeline not a non minority timeline
That's kinda something the nazis were against
Their whole thing was kind of about a pure aryan race
coral fog
I mean can’t there be a Ye out there or something
open peak
I mean can’t there be a Ye out there or something
No
They wouldn't have had the chance to exist
Near immediate genocide one the nazis won I imagine
solar meadow
Hearing "one got out!!!!" Was just so bizzare to hear
that was so much worse than anything i could have anticipated
the implication that black people aren't eradicated, but kept imprisoned somewhere is horrifying
open peak
the implication that black people aren't eradicated, but kept imprisoned somewhe...
Yeah, that "wtf" felt so real
The whole scene was just so shocking to watch
inland smelt
It was indeed
plucky sandal
Hey the scene of vigilante pointing just confirmed that marvel is a thing in the dcu
plucky sandal
Yeah, that "wtf" felt so real
Bro that caught me so off guard
Like the show fr went from comedy with some real emotional bits to borderline horror movie in the last few minutes
Btw the reveal actually is even more clever since the interview chris did where he got grilled for being a murderer and killing innocents is now tied in since that cool action scene he had vs the sons of liberty is now him just murdering a bunch of freedom fighters trying to take down the nazis 😭
rose bone
I mean can’t there be a Ye out there or something
.........
heavy oracle
It will.... TELL us!
rotund fjord
Are the last 2 episodes airing the same date?
heavy oracle
why would they
open peak
why would they
Some shows are doing that now
heavy oracle
aha
plucky sandal
https://x.com/screentime/status/1972879626180628949?t=6tuLHzBTNfNJOVzUtvWXjw&s=1...
I saw a theory that man of tomorrow will have superman and lex teaming up to fight the earth x nazi superman
heavy oracle
that doesnt feel as exciting tbh
braniac would be better
but it could be true who knows
open peak
I saw a theory that man of tomorrow will have superman and lex teaming up to fig...
That would be kinda disappointing
We just got a superman v evil superman
It wouldn't be as interesting
plucky sandal
Yeah yk but maybe they can sell it off seeing lex and supes try working together
coral fog
I saw a theory that man of tomorrow will have superman and lex teaming up to fig...
Mine as well just do the crime syndicate tbh
slim hearth
Sorry I haven’t been on discord lately. So I’m replying to you now. I meant that this season was not as good as the first one, and throwing lex into the mix doesn’t help it. (Even though lex is everyone’s problem )
inland smelt
Hey the scene of vigilante pointing just confirmed that marvel is a thing in the...
INDEED
inland smelt
CANT WAIT FOR THursday
inland smelt
Some shows are doing that now
what shows? makes no sense to have final 2 episodes rleeast at once. so if an average duration for an epsiode is 1 hour, so 2 hour episode ? also peacemaker was alwasy a weekly show
open peak
what shows? makes no sense to have final 2 episodes rleeast at once. so if an av...
A lot of them, especially mcu shows as of late
2 episodes drop at the same time
Agatha all along did it as well as a few others
inland smelt
A lot of them, especially mcu shows as of late
The marvelzombie one? Surpsied that they went that route
Maybe Netflix should have also done it way back instead of dividing one season into 3 damn parts
inland smelt
2 episodes drop at the same time
Daredevil reborn also dropped 2 at once?
But thats usually always the first two
Finale is always exclusive and meant to be on its own
carmine locust
Yeah yk but maybe they can sell it off seeing lex and supes try working together
No they will be fighting Brainiac.
I hope GI Robot makes an appearance. He is built for killing Nazis.
heavy oracle
wonder how theyre gonna cgi that huge ass robot
plucky sandal
No they will be fighting Brainiac.
Yeah ik im just trying to entertain a theory
plucky sandal
wonder how theyre gonna cgi that huge ass robot
Probably make it a mix of practical and cg since james gunn did a similar thing with the fortress robots in superman
open peak
I hope GI Robot makes an appearance. He is built for killing Nazis.
Gi robot after finding the perfect dimension (hes in heaven)
silk osprey
||Nazi universe Auggie being good is such a diabolical twist only for him to get killed by Vigilante 😭||
carmine locust
What an episode. Amazing acting from Cena, and Gunn wasn’t wrong about his improvement. There’s a nice twist, and it wasn’t predictable either.
carmine locust
||Nazi universe Auggie being good is such a diabolical twist only for him to get...
Vigilante is a moron
Chris already found him annoying, now he will despise the dude.
Auggie Smith being revealed as a level headed and decent person is a nice twist. I wonder if Earth-X version fought the main timeline Auggie considering he met the dude.
tight patrol
Episode 8 is the finale right? So next week is the final episode? Good episode
Just found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDusYttuHzU
heavy oracle
Vigilante is a moron
he is
and evil too
the only good thing about him is that he doesnt discriminate
and that's simultaneously the worst thing about him
he cant differentiate between levels of crime
but oh well funny dude
carmine locust
Episode 8 is the finale right? So next week is the final episode? Good episode
The final episode is also 1 hr
carmine locust
and evil too
Idk if he’s evil, but definitely a sociopath.
Keith will definitely return to hunt them down. Vigilante in particular.
Which Vigilante killed Blue Dragon though? The main version or Earth-X one
tight patrol
The final episode is also 1 hr
That's cool, I think that it also set ups the new Superman movie? So it should be interesting
zealous dove
DAMN vigilante is such a fucking maniac
i actually felt uneasy when he reached for the gun in the last scene
because its not just for show
zealous dove
Vigilante is a moron
not like he is a moron
he ia serial killer who found some sort of excuse to kill as much as he wants
"i do it cuz they are bad guys"
yeah Cena was really really good in peacemaker in general
he is like type of Batista actor
no one expects him to be good , and he is SUPER good
carmine locust
Batista isn’t a good actor lol. Very overrated
Dude claims he wants to do good roles, and doesn’t want to play characters like Drax. Hasn’t been impressive so far.
zealous dove
was good in bladerunner
good as drax
good in dune
one of the better dune performances lol
carmine locust
Ironically, the Rock will end up being the better actor. The Smashing Machine and that Scorsese movie.
carmine locust
one of the better dune performances lol
He wasn’t good in any of these films.
Like there was barely any acting from him.
zealous dove
yeah i super disagree with w/e ur spouting here lol
carmine locust
Just because he acted in Blade Runner and Dune, doesn’t mean he did well.
zealous dove
no he did well in blade runner
i did not even know the name he had when i saw him o nscreen
and i made a mental note of good performance
zealous dove
so what if its a small role
zealous dove
judging by what
performance in peacemaker is stellar
i agree
nothing else to his name
not fucking up bladerunner 2049 is the bigger achievement
carmine locust
so what if its a small role
It was a small role, and he barely did anything. That’s not better than Cena’s acting in Peacemaker.
Batista’s recent dramatic role was in the Last Showgirl. Again, a wooden performance. Pamela Anderson was surprisingly good.
zealous dove
i mean what i saw from him in sci fi
he is good at comedy
and good at playing a more serious character
if he was actually bad
he would butcher both bladerunner adn dune
you dont just do nothing and it looks good on screen dude
carmine locust
He barely played significant roles to butcher Blade Runner and Dune. They weren’t exactly good performances.
He was one of the worst actors in GOTG trilogy, and his comedy was lame.
carmine locust
Cena should star in other type of films. Definitely a talented actor and second season of Peacemaker proves it.
I mean Peacemaker is a complex character, and Cena does well. Batista has never played a role so well.
carmine locust
not general perception
I don’t think many consider Batista a good actor. Just a wrestler turned actor who acted in better movies compared to the others.
That’s not saying much. There aren’t many pro wrestlers who had a proper acting career.
I think aside Cena and the Rock, the rest only acted sporadically and those were produced by WWE iirc.
zealous dove
ur mentioning teh rock
as if he is anything but a joke
there is no role where he was at least average
carmine locust
"i do it cuz they are bad guys"
It’s fine that he kills bad guys, but whenever dude tries to help, he messes it up.
zealous dove
did he really mess up
thought he is killing nazi mastermind
and kinda overall he got them out of that situation
carmine locust
Vigilante messed up. Dude kept stabbing Auggie even when the others said no.
zealous dove
you dont unstab him though
carmine locust
He shouldn’t have stabbed him in the first place. Blue Dragon was like one of the few good guys on Earth-X.
zealous dove
technically vig did not know
anyway he is a trigger happy psychotic serial killer
he admitted he enjoys killing people
carmine locust
Doesn’t matter. He killed him.
zealous dove
but he has "hero" persona
so its very in character to find any excuse to do this crap
carmine locust
He’s not a proper hero. Will never be one. More like an antihero.
I don’t think Peacemaker will be a proper hero either, but he’s an antihero with much better moral code.
There’s a reason Adebayo is Chris’ best friend, and not Vigilante.
Pretty sure he will be mad that variant Auggie got killed. Finally, a good version of his father and dude was murdered.
zealous dove
he thinks he is
like i actually have a problem with how gun shows peacemaker this season
he is portrayed whaling in self pity, waiting to get killed
carmine locust
Then the gang tried to kill Keith, even if it was to help him. Peacemaker hangs out with morally ambiguous people tbh. Like if he expects to be a true hero then that’s not happening.
zealous dove
like in season 1 the trash talk never stopped, used it as a defence
obviously he wont be atrue hero
carmine locust
he is portrayed whaling in self pity, waiting to get killed
That’s the point. S2 is exploring Peacemaker’s trauma.
zealous dove
yeah but he does not fight for himself
thats essence of being human
all he did was hoping for a magic pill solution
i go to another universe and all problems will be solved
it was important to give him same struggle aspect , not just "gave up"
in season 1 he did fight for himself
carmine locust
yeah but he does not fight for himself
Peacemaker is trying to change and wants to be a better human being. You can’t be selfish and be a proper hero.
carmine locust
you can change without giving up
What do you expect? Dude thought Earth-X was a better place because he had his family
And it turns out his father was a decent man. Vigilante took that away.
zealous dove
and why would that mean he lets keith kill him ?
carmine locust
Keith probably could have a redemption arc. I don’t think he will be killed again.
heavy oracle
and why would that mean he lets keith kill him ?
because he loved his dead brother what the fuck even is that question
zealous dove
keith is a straight up nazi who has clear motivation for revenge
carmine locust
and why would that mean he lets keith kill him ?
He didn’t let him kill. What are you talking about?
carmine locust
did not fight back again
He wasn’t able to fight back because Keith had a battle suit and was beating him up.
Plus dude was pissed
zealous dove
nah whether he could win or not is one thing, but hands down part was his intention
trying to show "overtaken by guilt"
carmine locust
because he loved his dead brother what the fuck even is that question
Dude forgets that Chris accidentally killed his brother as a child and that had a traumatic experience
zealous dove
i am not forgetting , but it would have been better to show overall struggle of Peacemaker
both mental and physical
all we get is mental
phyisically he lets anything happen to him
carmine locust
nah whether he could win or not is one thing, but hands down part was his intent...
It seems like you don’t understand the character. Even if Chris could fight back, he will hold back lol.
It’s his brother
zealous dove
mentally he tries to fight for himself , his peace and so on
im like 100% certain adding a layer of physical struggle to peacemaker would have been significantly better for the show
but as things stood throughout the show , whenever things got difficult he gave up
carmine locust
im like 100% certain adding a layer of physical struggle to peacemaker would hav...
Why
Considering Peacemaker isn’t doing well mentally, it will obviously affect his combat ability.
Also, we already saw what Peacemaker is capable of. Remember the scene where he single handedly beats the crap out of Sons of Liberty and stops the bomb from detonating?
He didn’t want to fight Flag Sr because he felt guilty killing his son.
Keith was his brother
heavy oracle
man i feel bad for auggie
i kinda hate james gunn for this
he kills his characters a lot
even in creature commandos
it was the same
lets not even talk about the suicide squad
he loves killing good guys for shock value
carmine locust
man i feel bad for auggie
I lowkey think variant Auggie’s parents died fighting the Nazis. He had to hide his anti-Nazi beliefs in a world full of Nazis.
zealous dove
He didn’t want to fight Flag Sr because he felt guilty killing his son.
all bad writing
carmine locust
all bad writing
That’s not bad writing lol
zealous dove
meaning that because he is guilty according to himself
heavy oracle
I lowkey think variant Auggie’s parents died fighting the Nazis. He had to hide ...
thats believable
zealous dove
its just
carmine locust
How is it bad writing?
zealous dove
if he struggled it would be better
its too simple too blunt
its a thin ice type of situation
carmine locust
Killed Rick Flag Jr and he feels sad that he did
Doesn’t want to fight back Flag Sr due to the guilt
I don’t see how that’s bad writing.
zealous dove
where adding a layer here would have been better for the overall character writing
carmine locust
if he struggled it would be better
He is struggling lol.
zealous dove
because in season 1 and the movie peacemaker was definitely grounded as DO and ACT type of guy
who deals with issues by doing at least something
carmine locust
because in season 1 and the movie peacemaker was definitely grounded as DO and A...
There is something called character development. Peacemaker in the movie was more ruthless.
The show is all about his struggles and how he’s trying to change
zealous dove
"trying" and "change" bit would be better illustrated
if he maintained his douche bro speach patter, if he physically defended himself
and so on
in season 1 he literally walks into his fathers house to confront whatever baggage he has
carmine locust
We see Peacemaker physically defend himself against the Sons of Liberty and beat their ass.
Lol
carmine locust
cuz this is more of a comedy scene
That wasn’t a comedy scene lol. In fact, Chris was very serious.
zealous dove
intention of him was
carmine locust
We didn’t know Sons of Liberty were freedom fighters. The audience and Chris were misled that they were bunch of terrorists.
zealous dove
"I am a true hero in this best universe, and i will be hailed as true hero for my true hero actions"
its his fantasy about what should be
but we as a viewer are there to laugh at him cuz its a massive whoopsie
like yeah no shit dude is serious during the moment of his own glory
this part is easy , magic pill type of thing he wanted to get
carmine locust
I don’t think anybody was laughing at him.
Peacemaker is clearly a very skilled fighter
That and many other scenes are proof of it
This is like saying Goku as a character is meant to be laughed by the viewers because he’s goofy
zealous dove
jesus christ
you as a viewer "know" the truth
whiel peacemaker does not
so the difference in info available to you and him
makes it "funny"
cruel joke
carmine locust
Yeah you’re blabbering some nonsense at this point. Just unnecessary criticism
“Oh no he didn’t fight back against Rick Flag Sr and Keith, so it’s bad writing”
zealous dove
idk you are blind to the obvious
gunn did what is easy , could have tried making it better
there was an opportunity for more subtle character development but for that peacemaker should not have stayed absolutely docile while facing his ACTUAL problems that he is having difficult to solve
carmine locust
Dude, I’m not even exactly a fan of Gunn and have criticised his works before many times, but saying Peacemaker didn’t do anything is incorrect statement. The entire point is that Peacemaker does something, and it always ends up in a mess.
zealous dove
once again on a lot of thngs i agree with gunn
carmine locust
He said it himself in the episode.
zealous dove
on some things id direct it differently and i would try to make peacemaker to be juggling more than he had this season so far
i believe it was just lazy to do those scenes where he does not fight back cuz he killed rick flag
he killed rick flag because he would have died himself if he did not
why the fuck should he become suicidal over that
in the movie it was all good, he was unwilling to kill him on a personal level, he believed it had to be done because he needed to insure the peace based on his baseline beliefs and factually HE HAD to kill him to protect himself because dude tried to murder him too
carmine locust
Killing in self defense can still lead to guilt. For example, he also accidentally killed his brother. It seems like you don’t understand Peacemaker has suffered enough trauma in the past, which is why he’s not himself.
zealous dove
he suffered trauma we know that
he developed a self defence mechanism that he is that shit talking huge superhero bro
carmine locust
Dude is tired of the shit and wanted to get away from main Earth.
zealous dove
that went away in a second
and ur fine with that
but trauma stays
its clear how you can improve characterisation adn if you don't agree its not really a flaw with my argument
its your personal preference
carmine locust
he developed a self defence mechanism that he is that shit talking huge superher...
You mean coping mechanism? Yeah that’s why he went to Earth-X because he wanted to be seen as a respected hero.
carmine locust
its clear how you can improve characterisation adn if you don't agree its not re...
Your argument is just an opinion. Not exactly a fact
zealous dove
not showing any physical struggle , is a missed opportunity
you cannot just say "its not true"
because the opportunity was indeed missed
did peacemaker fight for peacemaker at all this season , id say no
he just let things unfold , listened to what other people said but thats it
carmine locust
not showing any physical struggle , is a missed opportunity
What physical struggle?
zealous dove
rick flag scene
he should have fucked him up
to the best of his ability
in simple words
carmine locust
did peacemaker fight for peacemaker at all this season , id say no
Because Peacemaker doesn’t want to be selfish anymore and is trying to change. That’s called character development
zealous dove
because he is NOT giving up on himself despite the guilt
he wants to grow , be better ,live better
not die
to him
in a room
bro should be beaten to death to demonstrate that he is not selfish
are we writing a biography of christ here
carmine locust
Also, we still see Chris being somewhat selfish because he wants to leave the gang behind and become a hero on Earth-X. I still don’t get your “physical struggle” argument
That makes no sense considering dude is done at this point. He only felt happy at Earth-X. So much that he didn’t realise the world was filled with Nazis.
zealous dove
idk what you dont get
you display who you are in multitude of ways
if the idea was peacemaker ocmpletely gives up and its up to others to pull him out of it , id be fine with him not fighting back
when his literal life is in danger
but thats not the direction
carmine locust
Peacemaker didn’t fight back against two people he feel guilty. Why don’t you get this point?
zealous dove
i get it and i explained in great detail
why those scenes should have been different
carmine locust
You don’t notice the parallels between Rick Flag Jr., Keith’s, and variant Chris’s deaths? They even show a montage of this when Chris is crying after Keith is beaten up by the gang. His actions have repeatedly led to severe consequences and the deaths of others, even though he never intended to kill anyone. That’s why he was absolutely depressed and messed up.
carmine locust
why those scenes should have been different
Ah yes “physically struggle”
zealous dove
those are not hte only things id do differently
carmine locust
Brilliant idea
zealous dove
id also add more things to diminish his passiveness on the screen
zealous dove
You don’t notice the parallels between Rick Flag Jr., Keith’s, and variant Chris...
good
against peacemaker number 2 he protected himself
i have no issue about this interaction
carmine locust
He didn’t fight back against Rick Flag Sr in the custody and against his own brother for particular reasons. How was he passive the entire season?
zealous dove
way he talks
way he carries himself
gunn made it into a straight line
id make make it into a wave
there is none of that WOOHOO im fuckign peacemaker
all of a sudden
heavy oracle
since the cop is alive
we can imagine that the butterfly incident didnt happen on earth x
trim rover
the mural of Hitler gag was really funny ngl
opal ocean
Loved the latest episode
carmine locust
we can imagine that the butterfly incident didnt happen on earth x
I saw a theory that Butterflies helped Nazis win the war
But who knows.
heavy oracle
well it doesnt matter i guess
but i dont think we're getting a gi robot cameo anymore
also i dont think theres gonna be an overman cameo
cuz the kaiju was defeated by the trio
carmine locust
the mural of Hitler gag was really funny ngl
Lol how did he not see this
trim rover
Lol how did he not see this
I kinda wish in the cold open they showed a flashback to an earlier scene in the season showing that it was always there the camera just never panned to it
carmine locust
cuz the kaiju was defeated by the trio
Which is crazy. How did they defeat the Kaiju? It took the Justice gang to beat the Kaiju in main reality.
They don’t have any powers
Just tech and weaponry
heavy oracle
with the power of love obviously
carmine locust
That’s an impressive feat tbh. Now you think about it.
trim rover
with the power of love obviously
with the power of white
carmine locust
I have a theory that OG Auggie was stealing variant Auggie’s tech.
trim rover
with the power of white
I am terrified to finish this joke
silk osprey
Vigilante is for all intents and purposes A sociopathic antihero
He doesn't differentiate between levels of crime, he thinks any manner of crime is enough to kill someone
He has a very black and white view of justice ironically enough
Which is why alternate universe Vigilante is so interesting
Because I actually don't think he is that way
I noticed when Vigilante was talking about people doing graffiti and Vigilante 2 disagreed
Vigilante 2 is different in that he can tell
carmine locust
I think Vigilante 2 being part of Sons of Liberty probably shaped his views.
zealous dove
Lol how did he not see this
yeah its funny
guess Vigilante 2 never tried to appease peacemaker who was a total shithead
Vigilante 1 is like LOOK I AM A HERO TOO MR PEACEMAKER
but he is Vigilante so he took it to extreme
though i dont think Vigilante 1 looks like someone who needs peacemakers anything to kill people
he seems to act indepedently
like damn that scene in the end where he was pulling the gun was cold
because you know he meant to kill everyone there
gray nexus
this sounds kinda fucked but I wish we could've had a little more time on nazi land
the timeframe between them discovering that it is nazi land, and them getting out of nazi land being only 30 minutes is somewhat short to see the full extent of that world
all things considered it took very little effort and time for them to haul ass out of there
zealous dove
i did not like gunn making some sort of statement of this universe is same as us anyway
solar meadow
i did not like gunn making some sort of statement of this universe is same as us...
he ain't wrong though
at least in america
zealous dove
yeah i dont see it that way for a safe and developed country which is pretty free and open
if it was alternate congo id see it being a thing
of going from one hell to another
main trellis
john cena killed it today with keith
so was chris' dad not a nazi? Or was he pretending?
i thought he was gonna kill him once they had left the dimension itself.
solar meadow
so was chris' dad not a nazi? Or was he pretending?
alternate auggie was genuinely just a good guy
main trellis
alternate auggie was genuinely just a good guy
so it was entirely reversed
zealous dove
he was well intentioned but tbh as a famous nazi super hero he must have done some shit, he just killed actual 20 cops too
solar meadow
so it was entirely reversed
yep
solar meadow
he was well intentioned but tbh as a famous nazi super hero he must have done so...
but he explained that the cops were bad
i mean they are corrupt nazi cops after all
zealous dove
"expained" - he just said it
he killed them because he wanted to cover up having a portal, which he himself basically said
main trellis
and Robert patrick sounds like a manipulator even when he's playing the genuine good guy its the voice 
the cold stare
solar meadow
and Robert patrick sounds like a manipulator even when he's playing the genuine ...
its impossible to not see him as the t1000 lol
main trellis
that
silk osprey
Lol how did he not see this
This is a full Naked Gun bit right here
This part was amazing https://x.com/bestofjamesgunn/status/1973941618953818550?t=Wfs-rSqxVtFHrg4L676RQA&s=19
X
Cena's acting has reached a different level
carmine locust
he killed them because he wanted to cover up having a portal, which he himself b...
Those cops were Nazis lol.
carmine locust
he was well intentioned but tbh as a famous nazi super hero he must have done so...
Except, he wasn’t a Nazi. His sons were despise the fact he taught them not to become one.
silk osprey
It's a direct mirror of Chris' world
In Chris' world, Auggie was a Nazi, and his sons weren't despite the fact that he taught them to become them
The beauty of the multiverse
zealous dove
Those cops were Nazis lol.
mr BLUE DRAGON is saying every cop is a Nazi
you see there is a little bit of credibility issue
what if cops call him Nazi
who is who
Vigilante said he is bad cuz he tied Economus
just saying something does not make it true
on a more serious note i think thats where Gunn kinda points anyway
carmine locust
They are. We haven’t seen any person in that universe who are anti-Nazis aside Auggie and the Sons of Liberty.
zealous dove
but like idk its reasonable to say he is not a saint
if he is that casual about killing too
carmine locust
We know he kills. Doesn’t make him evil.
zealous dove
kinda felt selfish how he just executed every cop there
despite beliefs it does not sign off their lifes
carmine locust
Who cares about cops.
zealous dove
XD
anyway
episode 7 just so good
even music offers a dark and pretty determined heroic tone
not just comedy type of show
i hope vig feels some consequences for what he is doing too
he himself is crossing the line
kinda becoming indistinguishable from something really evil
rotund fjord
Amazing ep, I think one of my fave in peacemaker s1-2, only complaint is the short runtime… have all these eps been like 30 min?
rotund fjord
silk osprey
The Cinematography in this season of Peacemaker is so kinetic
Versus the first season it's night and day
open peak
I don’t think many consider Batista a good actor. Just a wrestler turned actor w...
I've seen many who do
zealous dove
i jsut realised vig tried to kill white dragon the same way in season 1
so ruthless going for back of the neck
cyan surge
That episode was so good was not expecting ||vigilante suddenly jumping in a window and killing Auggie|| also Cena’s acting this episode was so good
carmine locust
Peacemaker should lowkey kill Vigilante.
heavy oracle
was it our vigilante that killed auggie or the 2nd one?
gray nexus
he was well intentioned but tbh as a famous nazi super hero he must have done so...
you gotta remember in context those 20 cops are nazis tho
like sure auggie killed them but it's not like anything of value was lost
rotund fjord
he himself is crossing the line
Since season 1, I’ve found the character hilarious, but people often overlook what kind of person Vigilante is in this show. We’ve seen him through the lens of the 11th Street gang, and his violence is mainly shown through direct exposition, like “killing people that jaywalk,”
silent bane
This season is so bizarre. The runtimes are getting shorter. Here’s hoping the last one is at least an hour.
zealous dove
Since season 1, I’ve found the character hilarious, but people often overlook wh...
its just a good showcase of we should not romanticise people like him
he can be charming , but he is kinda inhuman
main trellis
best johncena acting ive seen till now in front of keiths body
that raw emotion was very effective knowing chris' history
cloud pike
best johncena acting ive seen till now in front of keiths body
I've just seen season 1.
What a blast.
I didn't know J. Cena was that funny.
heavy oracle
bro's boutta be spoiled
main trellis
I've just seen season 1.
What a blast.
I didn't know J. Cena was that funny.
Why are you here?
inland smelt
Check out my review on Serializd! https://srlzd.com/r/2a031b3
inland smelt
This season is so bizarre. The runtimes are getting shorter. Here’s hoping the l...
I agetee!! How tf is every epsiode either 30 minutes or 38 or 32
but i love it anways
inland smelt
Amazing ep, I think one of my fave in peacemaker s1-2, only complaint is the sho...
Mostly yes. Around 30 or 32
zealous dove
Check out my review on Serializd! https://srlzd.com/r/2a031b3
jesus that website name ia like anneurysm
inland smelt
jesus that website name ia like anneurysm
serialized?
zealous dove
srlzd xd
inland smelt
lool. i only found that through letterbox hd profile bios so i use both
inland smelt
HELL yeah . great season too. any idea how long the finale will be? AS THESE 30 minutes episodes arent enough lol
nvm GOT IT. https://www.reddit.com/r/DCU_/comments/1nwonwq/the_peacemaker_season_finale_will_be_57_minutes/
still not 1 hour
GUNN DONT JAM. HE ONLY DELIVERS
solar meadow
i saw this on instagram and i think it sums up the dynamic of the 11th street kids pretty well 😂😂😂
silent bane
I agetee!! How tf is every epsiode either 30 minutes or 38 or 32
Starts at 44 mins and has a trend downwards to this episode being 30 mins. I thought James said the last ones would be longer?
silent bane
nvm GOT IT. https://www.reddit.com/r/DCU_/comments/1nwonwq/the_peacemaker_season...
OOOOHHH
THERE WE GO
solar meadow
wish every episode had been 45-60 minutes
but i would rather shorter episodes than episodes that dragged on a bunch
maybe this season should have just been reedited into 6 slightly longer episodes
inland smelt
Starts at 44 mins and has a trend downwards to this episode being 30 mins. I tho...
Yeee !
inland smelt
but i would rather shorter episodes than episodes that dragged on a bunch
I agree
terse steppe
maybe this season should have just been reedited into 6 slightly longer episodes
Nooo we are tired of the 6 episode thing
inland smelt
Nah just have 8 episodes which we had . Shorter episodes arent an issue as long as its consistent which is and a longer finale is ok which we are getting
solar meadow
Nooo we are tired of the 6 episode thing
trust me i am as well
but the 30 minute episodes that end right before things start actually happening was a bit annoying a few times
i think the first 5 episodes could have been 2 or 3 episodes and then we could have spent way more time in the nazi universe
inland smelt
Maybe they will expand more about in future seasons?
As i dont see the plotlinr ending in the finale
coral fog
Seeing Auggie be a good person and about to give an amazing speech then just for ||vigilante to kill him|| is just heartbreaking. 
I love vigilante but I wouldn’t be mad if peacemaker murdered him
That was the definition of “shoot now, ask questions later” mentality
inland smelt
Seeing Auggie be a good person and about to give an amazing speech then just for...
YEAH, THAT was crazy . i was oh damn THIS universe auggie isbeing so reasonalb eand nice and then voila
inland smelt
That was the definition of “shoot now, ask questions later” mentality
WELL i hope not, as vigilante didnt know what was happening there.. they were all assuming the gang was being held as hostages
carmine locust
I love vigilante but I wouldn’t be mad if peacemaker murdered him
He should, but he won’t.
heavy oracle
are people still hoping for a gi robot cameo?
zealous dove
That was the definition of “shoot now, ask questions later” mentality
i think his mentality is to kill people
notice how in last episode he literally killed everyone but his friends in the house lmao
keith survived the stabbing lmao, but fucker still shanked him like twice
coral fog
notice how in last episode he literally killed everyone but his friends in the h...
True
opal ocean
There's no way GI robot is gonna be the big cameo, not a lot of people know about the robot anyway
heavy oracle
supergirl maybe
zealous dove
idk if i need a cameo at all
i cant think of anything meaningful
i kidna saw on the podcast that last 2 episodes , according to gunn, are meant to change peoples opinion about vigilante
and it kinda made me think that setting him up as the villain of s3 would be smart
with how peacemaker straight up circles him out of his life , what would he hang onto ?
s1 they are friends as a matter of fact
s2 he basically does not even speak to him , so vigilante can become disillusioned with w/e he made up about their relationship
and bitter
plucky sandal
Idk if he’s evil, but definitely a sociopath.
His earth x counterpart found his methods extreme
Like when he mentioned killing people for doing graffiti
I like how the show manages to make vigilante go from funny lil el random man to a murderous maniac that you legit feel uneasy about
zealous dove
I like how the show manages to make vigilante go from funny lil el random man to...
yeah thats my feeling
inland smelt
are people still hoping for a gi robot cameo?
cI AM
magic kite
heavy oracle
pissmaker
trim rover
Overall Tim Meadows was a great addition to the season, though I am definitely biased since I am very fond of the era in which Tim Meadows was part of SNL and he's a highlight of that era (which is actually pretty long, he was on the show for 9 years)
I shouldn't find Bird Blindness that funny but just the idea that he actually is suffering from it is peak writing
heavy oracle
https://tenor.com/view/what-a-joke-peacemaker-what-a-joke-rick-flagg-death-rick-...
i actually laughed btw
heavy oracle
rick flag jr died for this
open peak
rick flag jr died for this
Must've been back breaking for sr to get over it
heavy oracle
im sure some prince treatment wouldve helped
open peak
im sure some prince treatment wouldve helped
Probably princess treatment imo
inland smelt
its too cartoonish
why
dusk carbon
James Gunn is a fucking wizard to pull off writing such a complex mess of a character like Peacemaker and make him likable
Part of that is John Cena being a genuinely amazing actor, but still
not an easy character to write by any means
inland smelt
James Gunn is a fucking wizard to pull off writing such a complex mess of a char...
Fyck ueah
dusk carbon
Its shocking how much heart there really is in Peacemaker too. It's a weirdly sweet show outside all the extreme abuse Peacemaker goes through
vale badger
good show this
I only started it last week because I saw the news about that fortnite emoji or whatever combined with the previous headlines I saw about how the alternate dimension only had white people in it and how that might foreshadow something. And that it apparently paid off so I caught up. Good time to do so with so few episodes left
fluid skiff
man i nearly pissed myself when Vigilante came in outta nowhere and stabbed Peacemakers dad to death lol
magic kite
rotund fjord
Gunn don’t jam
carmine locust
There's no way GI robot is gonna be the big cameo, not a lot of people know abou...
It will be Superman. He saves the day.
Or maybe Batman👀
opal ocean
It will be Superman. He saves the day.
I don't think so
Batman hasn't been cast yet
Let's see.. maybe it is Lobo
carmine locust
Superman makes sense considering Lex appeared in the show.
Gunn was also filming both the movie and S2.
If it’s a big cameo, then it must be him.
heavy oracle
wasnt superman confirmed not to be in the show
solar meadow
this all makes sense, auggie 2 is someone who doesn't agree with the society he lives in but still chooses to directly benefit from it
its cool to see lots of complexity and shades of gray in what could have been a very black and white situation
inland smelt
Instagram
inland smelt
Its shocking how much heart there really is in Peacemaker too. It's a weirdly sw...
Agreed but he keeps it well hidden
dusk carbon
Peacemaker is such an absurdly complex character and Vigilante is arguably as difficult. Peacemaker is a trainwreck idiot who was a side villain in Suicide Squad. He's not the best person. Yet Gunn was able to find the humanity in his character and show that behind all his major faults is a good person who's life was ruined by his neo-nazi father. That's pretty impressive writing to pull off so well.
Peacemaker willing to have such a flawed main character is refreshing tbh. Peacemaker is a good person but that's because Gunn took two whole seasons slowly revealing that
dusk carbon
i love the idea/theme that Auggie 2 was in the wrong universe. Chris and Keith were good people who got stuck with a lunatic abusive nazi as a father, and Auggie 2 was a good person who was stuck with two nazis as kids. Both Auggies tried to shape their kids a certain way and both failed catastrophically
inland smelt
Peacemaker is such an absurdly complex character and Vigilante is arguably as di...
U read the comics?
cloud pike
Has anyone ever noticed the face Adebayo makes right after joining the melee at the end of the opening dance?
It cracks me up everytime 😄.
Still can't figure out whether or not that is scripted.
open peak
https://youtube.com/shorts/iHjuqIT7Sts?si=600uxe_n7bXWnD_O
I like him
he seems like a nice guy
inland smelt
I like him
He is
zealous dove
Kinda weird real life judomaster is like super soft spoken super nice
cuz in a show he is somewhat of a demon
carmine locust
Do you guys think Peacemaker 2 was the most evil man on Earth-X and was sending minority groups to concentration camps?
I think Auggie 2 could’ve ended the Nazi rule if Keith and Chris supported him. The Top Trio were capable of stopping metahumans and monsters, so these Nazi fucks wouldn’t have much of a problem if they fought together.
zealous dove
Do you guys think Peacemaker 2 was the most evil man on Earth-X and was sending ...
he just gives me a vibe of a violent spoiled karen
but nothing drastic
u know when rich kid gets his hands on some sort of local power and acts out
rotund fjord
plucky sandal
I think Auggie 2 could’ve ended the Nazi rule if Keith and Chris supported him. ...
I meannn
Im assuming earth x has its nazi versions of the main dcu earths superheroes
So i doubt that he could really do much
carmine locust
So far we’ve only seen these three
rotund fjord
cloud pike
https://youtube.com/shorts/iHjuqIT7Sts?si=600uxe_n7bXWnD_O
Heyyy, finally the face reveal 😃
His character is so cool. It seems like judomaster is about to switch from the bad guys to good guys team.
Can't wait for that to happen.
inland smelt
Heyyy, finally the face reveal 😃
His character is so cool. It seems like judoma...
Haha hell yeah. Hes great
I am sensing hes already one of the good guys
He was just confused
tight patrol
I honestly don't know what's coming in episode 8.
inland smelt
Me neither
cloud pike
https://youtu.be/AEOapxVBwqA?si=y2-bIvcJPqzBXN4t
I didn't know the show had a podcast.
Imma savor that 😋
cloud pike
I am sensing hes already one of the good guys
Yeah right. Considering his fighting ability and sense of humor, he's crushing it.
At some point, James Gunn has to drop the origin story of judomaster.
inland smelt
Yeah right. Considering his fighting ability and sense of humor, he's crushing i...
oh yea definitely. and as for the origin for him , i would be very much interested as well. also CAN SOMEONE ASK him if its even possibe him to maybe buy the rights for swamp thing or remake it?
that show ended ona cliffhanger...
silent bane
Im assuming earth x has its nazi versions of the main dcu earths superheroes
They’re the trio, meaning Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman aren’t a thing.
They also fought the same 5th dimensional Kaiju critter seen in Superman so they don’t have any other hero. If you see the newspapers one said the Ultra-Humanite was taken down by the Trio. Which is the Flash’s villain.
silent bane
that show ended ona cliffhanger...
Ooof that ended too soon all because of tax issues if I recall.
inland smelt
Ooof that ended too soon all because of tax issues if I recall.
OH yea. budget issues DEF
inland smelt
Ooof that ended too soon all because of tax issues if I recall.
who owns the rights? can james gunn possibly maybe or has any interest in bringing it back??
same cast too
silent bane
who owns the rights? can james gunn possibly maybe or has any interest in bringi...
I believe it was under the then recent DC universe streaming service
It coincided with the release of Titans
So I believe if they have enough of a backing they would release a new Swamp Thing under HBO Max
inland smelt
I believe it was under the then recent DC universe streaming service
Aaah ok
inland smelt
So I believe if they have enough of a backing they would release a new Swamp Thi...
I hope so but unfortunately havent heard anything of that sorts , but i can dream
silent bane
I hope so but unfortunately havent heard anything of that sorts , but i can drea...
We just have to wait for the performance and finale results of Peacemaker S2 and the next year of DC and we’ll see exactly what that’ll leave us.
I’m hopeful both Clay and Supergirl will be successful
inland smelt
We just have to wait for the performance and finale results of Peacemaker S2 and...
Hell yeah
inland smelt
I’m hopeful both Clay and Supergirl will be successful
Same here and when is clay coming out
silent bane
Same here and when is clay coming out
October next year I believe
inland smelt
Niice
dusk carbon
They’re the trio, meaning Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman aren’t a thing.
They do. Earth X is directly from the comics. There's nazi versions of all the heroes
inland smelt
They do. Earth X is directly from the comics. There's nazi versions of all the h...
even black nazis??
open peak
even black nazis??
I dont think so
inland smelt
I dont think so
oh ok
open peak
That's kind of an oxymoron considering the pyramid of race has black people at the very bottom, except for jewish people
I think it goes jewish people, black people, other races, and then "aryans"
heavy oracle
They do. Earth X is directly from the comics. There's nazi versions of all the h...
then why didnt overman defeat the kaiju
inland smelt
That's kind of an oxymoron considering the pyramid of race has black people at t...
OIc
plucky sandal
then why didnt overman defeat the kaiju
It was probably in their area so they cook care of it instead of him
If the nazis won ww 2 that would mean that germany is the main world power atm, so the main big hitters are probably on europe dealing with stuff going on there
plucky sandal
They’re the trio, meaning Wonder Woman, Superman, Batman aren’t a thing.
No they are called the trio because they are a team of 3 people
Idk why them being called the trio would instantly mean that other superheroes wouldnt exist in this universe
silent bane
I know. It’s common that the three we know to be the DC trinity to be a thing.
plucky sandal
Well supervillains in this case
silent bane
Because it’s a multiverse thing. I believe Earth X didn’t have an alt Superman.
Unless if you’re counting the Grant Morrison Overman
plucky sandal
I think hes in europe
silent bane
Which happens to be mentioned in Final Crisis
plucky sandal
Along with the other heavy hitters
silent bane
Because Uncle Sam joins the fight in the Og comics
Also Overman realized how wrong the Nazis were and is guilt ridden with the thought of their atrocities by the time Final Crisis happens.
plucky sandal
I wonder what gunns grand plan is with the dcu
Is he going to lead it into final crisis or nah?
silent bane
Too hectic for a movie depiction
We’d be lost
One page we follow supermen, next we see some random ass cave man meeting Metron.
Then it leads to Batman lost through time.
At most I’d like it to be a celebration of DC and go through the event like Crisis on Infinite Earths.
But technically that’s been done in the CW.
plucky sandal
At most I’d like it to be a celebration of DC and go through the event like Cris...
I wonder if they will end the universe completely or reboot it new 52 style
plucky sandal
If it’s new 52, DC won’t do so well.
Not exactly that but a unique take, maybe like hand it off to a new head of the studio
silent bane
Hmmm.
Could be? I dont think they’re ready for that discussion. I do wish James was hired for this stuff at a younger age.
Because clock is going against him, might go out like a star.
magic kite
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8ADjYFm/
what’s yall take on what this fellow is talking about for peacemaker s2?
I thought it made more sense for it to be a metaphor for how some folks get into ||alt right||/neo nazi pipeline rather than it being a metaphor for drugs and substance abuse.
open peak
I thought it made more sense for it to be a metaphor for how some folks get into...
I thought it was a metaphor how sometimes when we find something we believe to be perfect we shield ourselves from the wrongs and the atrocities for our comfort
Illustrated by chris having a perfect life, whilst being oblivious to the murals of hitler, mein kampf, and everything else
main trellis
Game day
solar meadow
bruh
the fact they thought that shit was supposed to be a swastika
its just a dance move 😭😭😭
open peak
the fact they thought that shit was supposed to be a swastika
I mean I can see it, knowing james Gunn it was probably meant to be a subtle hint
silent bane
I mean I can see it, knowing james Gunn it was probably meant to be a subtle hin...
I guess, it’s just you’d have to tilt the guy a whole 90 degrees to get that. The dance itself is making up two brackets ][
silent bane
But also the opposite to that pose would make it the different swastika of good luck by the Japanese
People seem to forget that it also means peace too.
Which fits the titular character’s role.
So yea. That’s a cool detail I like about the dance, it gives more nuance considering the angular tilt would mean corruption. Which also fits the whole Earth X thing. If you wish to look deeper, but at times I question if Gunn even thought out that far into these types of mental or metaphorical approaches to these things.
The peacemaker season 2 episode 5 podcast reveals that he missed out on character nuance otherwise wasn’t meant to be. Michael Rooker broke down the Prime Eagle attack on St. cultural appropriator and said when the character said, “sorry”, it wasn’t as a last minute pity but more so a regretful one that is the eagle hunter regretting the actions of killing these creatures. It wasn’t remorse, and James looked puzzled at that talk.
Also one more thing that adds a neat detail to said swastika. The tilt here mirrors the swastika tilt seen on Nazi banners!
solar meadow
PEACEMAKER TIME
open peak
I guess, it’s just you’d have to tilt the guy a whole 90 degrees to get that. Th...
Go to the part with Harcourt 2 and auggie 2
That is the part I was told looked like a swstika and I see it more
silent bane
Go to the part with Harcourt 2 and auggie 2
Yea I see that, but that’s not the dance in question on Fortnite
Which is why it’s confusing
open peak
Yea I see that, but that’s not the dance in question on Fortnite
Oh its not?
My bad
Yeah that's crazy
silent bane
Oh its not?
No it’s not it’s the first set of hand flips Cena makes
Which is the not angular ones
It’s just this part
Which is why it’s confusing
But like I said, there’s two versions of the sign, there’s the Nazi cross but also the eastern religion ones which is good luck and peace as long as it’s not angular tilt.
solar meadow
interesting ending
dusky valve
interesting ending
As in bad?
inland smelt
gonna avoid until the weekend or tomorrow
dusky valve
no just not what i expected
And interesting choice song for when they were going through the doors lol
silk osprey
This episode felt so weird lmao
Characters acting strange, the insanely out of left field ending it felt so disjointed
Wtf happened lol last episode was so great
I'm not even saying this episode was bad it just feels so goddamn weird
opal ocean
A lot of people are surely gonna be disappointed by this season because we didn't get that big cameo that was supposedly promised by Gunn. Regardless, I thought the finale was really good and I enjoyed it. Poor ||Chris though, being sent to that new planet apart from his friends and they were doing really well together||
young plover
This was like those "what's next" yt videos streaming sites put out except 57 minutes long
Also that group walk was so goddamn awkward, like they won't even fit in the goddamn door
heavy oracle
this felt like ending to a movie after huge events happened
sadly no event happened in this show
this was just character development
and now our boy is in dino world
i expected the rating to be lower
loved keeya's crying scene tho
felt real
carmine locust
Decent finale and a setup for Man of Tomorrow. It was underwhelming compared to the other episodes. So, Chris is sent to planet Salvation, which is basically overseen by Darkseid as a training ground for the New Gods. I find it strange that Rick Flag Sr has become a more villainous character ever since his appearance in Creature Commandos. Lex is manipulating everything, but it’s still strange that Flag and his team sent people to die through the QUC just to find Salvation. I wonder if DeSaad, Darkseid’s right hand man, is mind-controlling them by bringing out their worst feelings, which is one of his abilities. Overall, Peacemaker S2 is a good show and Gunn’s best work so far. I’d give it a 3.5/5.
carmine locust
sadly no event happened in this show
Yeah, I thought they will continue the Earth-X stuff.
heavy oracle
Yeah, I thought they will continue the Earth-X stuff.
the gi robot cope is gonna be insane
carmine locust
Instead the finale was a set up for MOT. Darkseid will be the main villain, not Brainiac.
heavy oracle
then why throw us off with that brain in the mot screenplay
heavy oracle
yeah i read about that
whos usually considered more dangerous in the comics, darkseid or braniac?
carmine locust
You should read Salvation Run. I think they were influenced by that comic run.
It was a tie in to Final Crisis.
carmine locust
whos usually considered more dangerous in the comics, darkseid or braniac?
Darkseid easily.
He’s a divine type of being
heavy oracle
then should darkseid be set up later
for JL movie
im assuming theres gonna be one
heavy oracle
yeah
carmine locust
I don’t know why Gunn hyped up the finale so much. Expected the cameo to be big.
heavy oracle
normal people are hella confused about there being two batmans
carmine locust
Mark my words. DCU Batman will make a cameo before The Batman 2 releases.
carmine locust
Clayface
hoary raft
The finale was kinda mid
hoary raft
I didn't enjoy the crying or emotional scenes, they felt kinda vapid or synthetic
carmine locust
and they havent cast one
All we know is they’re filming it. Just theorising if Batman will make a full appearance in DCU, it might be in Clayface since he is part of the rogue gallery.
heavy oracle
hoary raft
Was there a batman cameo
carmine locust
We will probably get a Checkmate movie.
I assume Peacemaker S2 has done well with the viewers.
carmine locust
why wasnt waller in peacemaker
She’s in trouble with the authorities.
heavy oracle
oof
carmine locust
In Salvation Run, Amanda Waller was also involved with Flag.
heavy oracle
carmine locust
These people are screwed eventually because Darkseid will wreck havoc.
cloud pike
Damn, that episode7 broke my heart.
The guilt trip Chris put himself into... that was rough. They even exacerbated that with the montage of all the meaningful death he caused. That is so sad.
carmine locust
Ep 7 was the real finale.
carmine locust
Peacemaker got sent to prison, got bailed out, then again imprisoned to another planet💀
heavy oracle
Jailmaker
gray nexus
rick flag needs to go to super hell bro
cloud pike
I'm so pissed off to the fact that, I realized couple episode ago that there's an "post credit scene" on each episode!
Wtf. So mad I missed most of them.
gray nexus
if its any consolation those are mostly just stupid stuff
heavy oracle
I'm so pissed off to the fact that, I realized couple episode ago that there's a...
if it makes you feel any better, ive a friend whos a longtime marvel fan and only recently found out that their films have post credit scenes.
carmine locust
man fuck rick flag
He has crossed the line tbh. I think ||Ilana’s manipulation and her death in Creature Commandos probably fucked up Flag even further. That and his son’s death probably brought the worst out of him.|| It’s kinda crazy that he got manipulated by Lex twice. Is he dumb?
cloud pike
if its any consolation those are mostly just stupid stuff
It looks like they used scenes that didn't made the cut, right?
It's not that they were purposely made for post credit.
carmine locust
In Superman, Flag didn’t agree with Clark being a dangerous metahuman. Now he’s buddies with Lex because ||Clayface broke his back||.
young plover
I thought gunn said every project would stand on its own
This episode felt like sequel bait of the highest order
heavy oracle
because it is
cloud pike
if it makes you feel any better, ive a friend whos a longtime marvel fan and onl...
No f***** way, 😯. Dude seriously!
That must've broke him.
young plover
And even if it was supposed to be completely about the salvation arc, they should've had a break between the peacemaker story and the final epilogue
I agree with that person who said this felt like a mid season finale
And now to wait another 2 years to continue this storyline
heavy oracle
No f***** way, 😯. Dude seriously!
That must've broke him.
No, but it fucked me up to realize i had friends like that
young plover
If they'd seen a single mcu film in theatres they would've realised that there are post credit scenes
heavy oracle
i kinda hate gunn's commitment to not having meaningful (sequel baiting) post credit scense
i'd rather one that the one we got in superman
the end credit not the mid credit
superman and krypto one was fine
but clark and terrific one was one of the most useless things ive seen
young plover
He should just not have any credit scenes
They're playing off of mcu expectations and it just doesn't work
heavy oracle
im fine with that too
just pls nothing like the end credit in superman
the bands were the big cameo 🤣
cloud pike
but clark and terrific one was one of the most useless things ive seen
Oh, yeah I recall. I felt the very same.
Like, this post credit scene adds nothing to the lore
young plover
I don't care about cameos. All this finale had was repeated scenes. Peacemaker crying about people dying near him. Adebayo saying to her ex exactly what was said to her in a previous episode. Harcourt and Chris having the same convo
heavy oracle
Like, this post credit scene adds nothing to the lore
and it just has bad writing in general
young plover
It's also a double edged sword because you'd expect peacemaker to play a role in Man of Tomorrow now but general audiences don't really care about him
But if you keep him to a minimum, this episode works even less
heavy oracle
lmfao
heavy oracle
It's also a double edged sword because you'd expect peacemaker to play a role in...
we had a big cheer for him in the superman cameo
young plover
we had a big cheer for him in the superman cameo
was it opening weekend
young plover
those are fanboy reactions
heavy oracle
well yeah
normal people i know havent even seen superman
even my own friends and family
young plover
tbh i really felt like for peacemaker himself he has the same arc in either season and that doesnt work for me
young plover
normal people i know havent even seen superman
yeah theres not a lot of cultural penetration even after the hbo max release. They really missed the golden age of superhero films by like 6 years
heavy oracle
we're recovering slowly i guess
young plover
It feels wrong but people care a lot more about iron man now than superman
young plover
we're recovering slowly i guess
i feel like certain projects with a push on them will work much better than just being another marvel or dc movie
Like Spider-verse, Matt Reeve's Batman and the Gunn projects
heavy oracle
It feels wrong but people care a lot more about iron man now than superman
rdj's charm has to do a lot with it
young plover
They really captured an entire decade's worth of audience. Monoculture has been lost since covid
Everyone's interested in their own little thing now
2010s was the mcu and game of thrones decade
heavy oracle
Like Spider-verse, Matt Reeve's Batman and the Gunn projects
i tried explaining the DCEU and DCU reset to someone and they forgot everything a few days later lmao
they keep asking why cant robert pattinsion be batman
young plover
Matt Reeves took a lot of time for batman too
Like we've had batman in one film this previous decade
or 2
And now we might get him again in multiple projects leading to fatigue
zealous dove
how does the episode start with peaceamker of all people being the voice of reason and Harcourt being nice lol
young plover
At this point, i'm really not sure what gunn even wants me to think
If I was watching this show with zero meta knowledge, id be pissed at how the characters were acting
heavy oracle
gunn wants to do his own thing
young plover
Like many people loved that bird blindness joke, I don't get how it works in universe
young plover
I remember he said that the dcu will have different projects will different tones
those havent released yet so theres probably some chance
heavy oracle
yeah but why would you give same character different tones
take lex luthor for example
young plover
otherwise all of gunn's project feel the same to me
heavy oracle
i didnt like the r rated version of him
young plover
It's called the electric shock problem
If you already have a m-rating why wouldnt your previously pg13 characters just curse
If something is there why not just use it
I don't agree with it
carmine locust
the bands were the big cameo 🤣
Very disappointing.
heavy oracle
his anger translated so well onto the screen
no adultification
and then in peacemaker
oh well
you cant please everyone
silk osprey
I for one am so glad that Peacemaker Season 2 did not become a cameofest
carmine locust
It feels wrong but people care a lot more about iron man now than superman
Yeah ever since MCU.
silk osprey
I can't believe people wanted superman to show up and shit
carmine locust
But Superman is very popular again domestically speaking due to the movie.
young plover
I dont care about cameos, but the character work went in circles this season
silk osprey
Everyone was complaining about the MCU and Star Wars becoming cameo fests but are not mad that Gunn didn't put Superman, Blue Beetle and fuckin Booster Gold in Peacemaker lmao
carmine locust
Superman is still a bigger household name than Iron Man. Even many boomers know who he is.
silk osprey
I'm not gonna lie he didn't even really tease those guys either
young plover
Everyone was complaining about the MCU and Star Wars becoming cameo fests but ar...
everyone? really?
silk osprey
Oh yeah
carmine locust
Iron Man was only relevant due to RDJ. Whereas, Superman the character is popular regardless of the actor.
silk osprey
I'm seeing cope about it all over Twitter and the Peacemaker subreddit
They really expected Booster Gold to be in this shit
Lmfao
zealous dove
why are humans walkig into the doors
carmine locust
They really expected Booster Gold to be in this shit
No way.
silk osprey
I will still add though that the finale felt strangely disjointed from the rest of the show and incredibly weird
Something went on there
carmine locust
I expected Superman to be the big cameo.
young plover
they have a literal fucking superman
yeah superman who would happily put all metas in prison planet
silk osprey
I think this might be an after effect of Gunn's shifting around of the slate
carmine locust
they have a literal fucking superman
Because Superman wouldn’t agree to it lol. He would’ve also figured out Flag’s plan.
silk osprey
I actually don't have a lot of problems with the ending
carmine locust
It’s simple
silk osprey
Especially since it sets up Salvation and the new agency
Pretty clear what comic storyline he's going for
young plover
It seems as if the writers forget we don't watch the show in season
we watch it in years
silk osprey
I just feel like....the finale maybe was thrown together a bit too harshly, I think it started off well but it felt like there wasn't enough time
young plover
5 years for peacemaker to actually move forward
silk osprey
I still think at its core
This episode is "good"
I wouldn't say it's bad writing
But it's definitely not great and it's almost strange how disconnected and disjointed it is from the rest of the season
young plover
Yeah this episode really soured me on the whole season
silk osprey
Mainly involving Sasha's almost complete heel turn and Flag's strange character changes
carmine locust
It wasn’t a bad episode. Decent, but Gunn could’ve done much better with the way it was hyped. I expected it to be better than 6 and 7, which were the best episodes.
silk osprey
I actually don't think Flag was super out of character here. The dude has issues and has let Rick Flag Jr's death cloud his judgement
young plover
I feel like it would have worked better if this connected directly from ep 5 where argus was last in focus
silk osprey
If you saw Creature Commandos this was evident
carmine locust
Mainly involving Sasha's almost complete heel turn and Flag's strange character ...
I think they had to rush it up because there were only 8 eps.
silk osprey
Flag is not that resistant to being a dumbass
young plover
I think they had to rush it up because there were only 8 eps.
i doubt that when they had basically 30 minute episodes for majorit of the season
silk osprey
He literally was ready to bar for a princess that was supposedly going to destroy the world cause she was hot and they banged like 20 times
young plover
like ep 3 and 4 felt like one episode
silk osprey
The issue was budget and scheduling
carmine locust
If you saw Creature Commandos this was evident
No, Flag Sr was a more heroic character in Creature Commandos. He even had issues when his teammates were killing people.
silk osprey
And Gunn also writing like 5 other projects
young plover
They needed to work to get the earth x arc done by ep 5 or 6 and actually build up to this
silk osprey
If you watch the podcast he rewrote the entire season after he became co-head of DC studios
silk osprey
No, Flag Sr was a more heroic character in Creature Commandos. He even had issue...
Eh, heroic is a strong word
young plover
You know how they spent multiple episodes with argus failing to catch Chris? why didnt they slowly introduce this prison idea to it
silk osprey
I'd say that Flag Jr is a better man than Flag Sr
carmine locust
It’s just that post CC, Flag was fucked up after ||Clayface broke his back, Ilana’s manipulation and death, and his son’s death which already made him depressed at the start of the series.||
zealous dove
i wonder if this is onpurpose, but he looks to me like a person without any emotion above the mouth lol
maybe i just think he is a psycho or maybe he did try ot make it as fake as possible
silk osprey
Definitely on purpose, Adrian is a sociopath lol
carmine locust
I'd say that Flag Jr is a better man than Flag Sr
They weren’t all that different in terms of morals until Superman and Peacemaker S2.
silk osprey
Flag genuinely has just been going through shit since CC to Superman to now
zealous dove
Definitely on purpose, Adrian is a sociopath lol
yeah in this scene its as if he acts out his facial expressions for her lol
young plover
maybe think about whether jr would have done the same thing if sr had been killed
zealous dove
well his ha ha s are SUPER fake
silk osprey
Him throwing Chris in Salvation was entirely in character
It seems out of character until you examine his actions from Creature Commandos to now
carmine locust
Rick Flag Jr tried to kill Chris. He’s no different from his father.
heavy oracle
needed at least one character to show up in salvation
young plover
Him throwing Chris in Salvation was entirely in character
but it felt like we left that arc ages ago during those earth x episodes
silk osprey
Also he was literally gonna kill Chris like a few episodes ago lmao he can't as gonna beat bro to death at ARGUS
young plover
Rick Flag Jr tried to kill Chris. He’s no different from his father.
award of media literacy
carmine locust
The only reason Peacemaker even killed Flag Jr was out of self defense
carmine locust
award of media literacy
Eh?
silk osprey
but it felt like we left that arc ages ago during those earth x episodes
Gunn has said since the beginning that Earth X wasn't necessarily the focus of the season. It was always the backdrop to focus on Chris' development and the relationships he was building around him
INITIALLY though
It was
carmine locust
rewatch suicide squad
Maybe why don’t you? Peacemaker didn’t really plan on killing Flag Jr.
He even told him that he didn’t want to fight
young plover
Chris' development is what I have problems with. What is the difference between Chris at end of s1 and now
silk osprey
He said on the podcast that he wrote a version of the season that was more about the 11th street kids trying to fix Earth X but he didn't think it worked and started from scratch. The whole season was initially gonna take place there
silk osprey
Chris' development is what I have problems with. What is the difference between ...
I think the Chris now is more in sync with his emotions, has improved his relationships with everyone in the 11th street kids, and has worked through his trauma to the point where he's now moving on with his life. Compared to S1 Chris who was just starting that journey
young plover
He said on the podcast that he wrote a version of the season that was more about...
make a call to superman and let him handle it
carmine locust
He said on the podcast that he wrote a version of the season that was more about...
Shame because that would’ve been better. The finale should’ve been just related to Earth-X.
They left that part in cliffhanger.
silk osprey
I like his decision to do a more character focused season. Even with the mediocre finale I still think this was a great season
carmine locust
Instead they’re going with Salvation Run arc.
young plover
I really think this feels like two shows. We literally don't really a real convo between Chris and Augie 2 because Gunn was too busy keeping the Nazi element a surprise
silk osprey
I just think Gunn isn't suuuuuper great at doing connective tissue yet
He's been focused on doing self contained stories for a while now
young plover
Honestly salvation arc feels too late era dc for me
like we're just beginning and have a planet full of metahumans
I might like it but i dont know if the general audience would like it
carmine locust
We needed 10 episodes
heavy oracle
real
silk osprey
I do appreciate that there's a vision though, that's more than DC has had cinematically for the last two decades
Clearly Salvation is 100% related to Man of Tomorrow
carmine locust
Because if this is the last time we will ever see Earth-X, then it’s disappointing.
young plover
Because if this is the last time we will ever see Earth-X, then it’s disappointi...
oh keiths definitely coming back
carmine locust
Clearly, Keith wants revenge. What will happen to the world? All that needs some closure.
silk osprey
I also appreciate he didn't do the multiverse bullshit that Marvel was doing
heavy oracle
Because if this is the last time we will ever see Earth-X, then it’s disappointi...
keith will come around later only to be killed off as ajoke
silk osprey
Gunn confirmed Peacemaker S3 isn't happening but there's probably gonna be a spinoff show with the new crew
Which makes sense thematically
carmine locust
Gunn confirmed Peacemaker S3 isn't happening but there's probably gonna be a spi...
They will make a Checkmate movie.
silk osprey
Peacemaker's story is over
young plover
So we have green lantern, supergirl and clayface. Im not sure if supergirl will break even
silk osprey
It's Checkmate time now
lanterns will probably bang
Supergirl will probably bang too
carmine locust
I don’t think it will be a show. If that was the case then they can continue the story with Peacemaker S3. I guess, we’re getting a movie instead.
silk osprey
Well I think a Checkmate show makes sense since it would be more about the Checkmate crew than Peacemaker's story, since his story is mostly over now
carmine locust
Instead of the Authority, maybe they will make a Checkmate movie. People are already familiar with the characters.
young plover
I really doubt peacemaker has enough viewership to sustain a film sequel
heavy oracle
we already know its gonna be a detectice sho
carmine locust
I really doubt peacemaker has enough viewership to sustain a film sequel
I assume S2 did well?
young plover
I assume S2 did well?
ill check
its not even on the nielsen list now
and #16 on all new tv shows by sambatv metrics
silk osprey
Ohhhh ok so I just checked the podcast
The first draft of the finale ended at the Checkmate reveal when they were all walking out
Peter Safran talked Gunn into adding the bit teasing Salvation
heavy oracle
Peter Safran talked Gunn into adding the bit teasing Salvation
thank god he did
young plover
Peter Safran talked Gunn into adding the bit teasing Salvation
he shouldnt have
duality of man
heavy oracle
such is humankind
young plover
.
They needed to atleast end that flag arc right now. It sure as hell isnt ending in man of tomorrow
so like 2028 at earliest
silk osprey
I see what Gunn is doing
He's gonna use Salvation Run to introduce a bunch of DC supervillains and metas
And the first arc of the new DCU is called GODS AND MONSTERS
Salvation is a dimension/planet ruled by the New Gods
heavy oracle
how does lex know about salvation
young plover
I didn’t mind the cliffhanger but man… this sucks.
2 more years
carmine locust
and #16 on all new tv shows by sambatv metrics
Damn that’s not good. It did worse than S1?
heavy oracle
I didn’t mind the cliffhanger but man… this sucks.
that is the popular consesus mando
carmine locust
S2 was better too
young plover
Damn that’s not good. It did worse than S1?
The premiere opened 22% better than s1
Then it fell hard
silent bane
Season 2 was great.
carmine locust
IMO, S2 is his best work. Creature Commandos is probably his second best work.
young plover
I really feel like i should wait for end of these franchises and then catch up
carmine locust
Gunn so far has done better with TV shows than movies.
zealous dove
yeah what a shit episode
very indulgent for gunn and very shitty for the show
carmine locust
how does lex know about salvation
He’s a super genius, but he’s probably not aware this is run by Darkseid.
young plover
yeah what a shit episode
very indulgent for gunn and very shitty for the show
I am of the opinion that the MoT tease should have been after they wrapped up the 11 street arc
heavy oracle
IMO, S2 is his best work. Creature Commandos is probably his second best work.
superman>pcmkr1>pcmkr2>tss>cc imo
young plover
Also two entire concerts?
zealous dove
one of the bigger problems with peacemaker s2 is that peacemaker is not very peacemaker
he is a super trash talker crazy killer in s1
carmine locust
Is Foxy Shazam a real band or created for the show?
zealous dove
how did he change completely
heavy oracle
real band
zealous dove
yes cuz gunn is not very good