Superman

[rustic yacht]

They didnt do that

A makeup artist posted the photo

[rugged pier]

They're gonna have to promote the hell outta this shit.

Honestly in my opinion, Matt Reeves Batman, while I love it, is gonna be a burden.

[runic thunder]

I know that it's just that with her being a complete mess how the hell IS she Supergirl

why does she have a hero costume?

[thick arch]

Next June is pretty much the same, time flies fast asf

[lilac sand]

Mhm, thanks. AFAIK, it's made clear that this version of Superman is a solar battery like the ones in modern comics, so, with that in mind, it makes sense to fully envelop him in nanites in order to reduce his intake of solar energy. According to this view, he was trying to get more solar energy by going into space (presumably the solar energy would counteract the nanite suffocation), which is why the Engineer completely enveloped him. What's still unclear to me is why she couldn't disengage before they crashed.

[thick arch]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[rustic yacht]

Hope the next movie builds on them more because their death would not be impactful right now

[thick arch]

Having them die in 3rd might make the most sense

[rustic yacht]

I guess but it’s also so predictable

So I would like it if they didnt do that

[craggy pawn]

Love this type of worldbuilding

Wish we got the full paper.. some of those headlines are interesting

[lilac sand]

@craggy pawn I'm not confident that Superman's primary motivation for flying upward was to increase his exposure to solar energy, but from Luthor's POV, it made sense to decrease his exposure in order to help get him under control, since (despite having him at disadvantage) they did not have him fully under control during most of his upward flight and were concerned about where he was going. The tactic backfired, but with Luthor clearly not having foreseen that, his order to the Engineer made sense in the moment (and I see no other explanation for him wanting Superman fully enveloped).
Do you agree?

[craggy pawn]

I think Luther did believe that if Engineer would cover all of Superman in nanites then Superman would be subdued but of course it backfired at the end..

Again, what was Superman thinking when he went above, I'm not sure.. he had to do something and felt this was the only way out.

[lilac sand]

Mhm. Moreover, it is mentioned that Supes might be trying to use friction to remove the nanites. That being the case up is his only open direction that won't crash into anything.

[wind adder]

Or perhaps they don’t need to die.

[craggy pawn]

I agree, they don't need to, at least not anytime soon

https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1944784413482508405?t=7Udxlh2XoNk7zn5m9Wuy9Q&s=19

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

James Gunn’s ‘SUPERMAN’ earned $3M more this weekend than expected, taking its worldwide opening total to $220M

Budget was $225M

Read our review: https://t.co/3sWy8gsNCU

X · Jul 14, 2025, 3:41 PM

[rustic yacht]

https://deadline.com/2025/07/box-office-superman-1236454805/

[lilac sand]

I have another question.

In Superman (2025), Lex Luthor's pocket universe features a tall naked creature with elongated fingers that operates the platform shuttling people to and from prison cells. Towering over Lex and sporting an unsettling appearance, this being is dubbed "Mr. Handsome" by Lex.

Does "Mr. Handsome" originate from DC Comics as a known creature or alien species, and if so, what is it?

[craggy pawn]

I don't think this Mr. Handsome character is from comics, at first I was wondering if it was white Martian but clearly not

[stone turret]

mr handsome is an original character yeah

[lilac sand]

Any references?

[unreal widget]

Would nanites be able to damage Kryptonian physiology

[safe geode]

and a show, and cartoon

[rustic yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/krypto-dance-david-corenswet-superman-2025-krypto-gif-6954670881345029615

[thick arch]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-tuah-hawktuah-hawktuahgirl-gif-15405851352260155169

[safe geode]

https://x.com/screenrant/status/1944859512013226275

Screen Rant (@screenrant)

James Gunn and Peter Safran shared that the release schedule of #DCStudios is:

🎥 Two live-action films per year.
🍿 One animated film per year.
📺 Two live-action series per year.
📆 Two animated series for HBO Max per year.

Are you excited for the #DCU's future after

X · Jul 14, 2025, 8:40 PM

[austere stream]

That should be scaled back a lil i think

Four shows a year

[thick arch]

It’s not too bad, if it was 4 live action shows that would be overstuffing, but two animated shows is nice.

[stone turret]

well you gotta remember, this isnt dcu, this is all of dc

so that includes things like the harley quinn show and teen titans go etc etc

[unreal widget]

I'm feeling nostalgia for Superman & Lois all of a sudden.

I really hope Corenswet evolves into a version with personality closer to Hoechelins interpretation.

The heart of Superman in that show made it worth watching. I think this version will get there

Hoechelins personality is the type I can see being a central figure of the JL

[stone turret]

i could definitely see him growing into the more wise and stoic version of the character over the next decade

[unreal widget]

Highly underrated superman. Cause of the budget cuts.

[tropic bison]

https://boxd.it/akZ0bv

[unreal widget]

https://youtu.be/gl5G24h3yHw?si=_2ru_atoCqGAgGp5

[honest fjord]

There’s one particular moment in the film where he emulated that to perfection

When Luthor’s crimes have finally been exposed and he’s defeated, he sees Superman with his arms crossed looking at him with that disappointed look

That was perfect

[golden frost]

Oi

Wanna hear an interesting theory I heard

[austere stream]

Sure

[golden frost]

What if that wasn’t Jor El and Lara in the message

What if they were Zod and a love interest of his impersonating them

[craggy pawn]

I heard that theory as well, while I don't think that's gonna happen it's a interesting theory

[golden frost]

It would make sense anyway

But if they don’t go that route

No matter

[austere stream]

I doubt it personally
Wouldnt that undermine this film thematically

At least a bit

[golden frost]

Fair point

The theme of how Superman was sent to Earth to conquer it but yet

[craggy pawn]

Yup.. I still think Gunn won't go back and retcon this because its a huge plot point in the movie

[golden frost]

He was raised well

[stone turret]

thats what i've been saying

it would completely undermine the message of this movie and invalidate all of superman's character development if the message was just randomly revealed to be fake

[golden frost]

Either way it will piss off a lot of fans

[gritty tundra]

I can't wait to see supergirl

I wished I can time skip ngl

[runic thunder]

I'm just gonna assume that Supergirl is Kara Zor-El and not a pink slime creature taking her form created by a pocket dimension Lex Luthor called Matrix

[unreal widget]

Why's it Kara zor-el and cal-el

[stone turret]

i've never thought about that actually

[wind adder]

It goes against the integrity of the character lol https://fxtwitter.com/ign/status/1944889335616074103?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

IGN (@IGN)

James Gunn explains why he changed [SPOILER] for Superman's birth parents! #Superman

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▶ Play video

FxTwitter · Jul 14, 2025, 10:38 PM

[daring trench]

But it was fun fun funnnnn 🕺

https://tenor.com/view/superman-mister-terrific-mr-terrific-edi-gathegi-t-sphere-gif-2060842105445415307

[tame tangle]

they're ressurecting batgirl and wile e coyote? no? fuck em.

[unreal widget]

I don't think it would, cause the lesson from this movie will still be a factor on the way Superman has formed in the world. The nature vs nurture message will still be here everytime people re-visit this movie. It will make the Superman movie interesting as a different phase of his life.

Regardless of whether the matter is resolved later or not.

But that's only how I see it.

[gritty tundra]

What do you mean?

Oh hmm maybe Kara Zor is her name perhaps

[rustic yacht]

It doesnt

It actually strengthens that integrity

[rustic yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-punch-krypto-lexcorp-superman-2025-gif-5435928377312831006

[austere stream]

Yeah i really like that change tbj

[stone turret]

acme vs coyote did actually get saved, its coming out next year

[tame tangle]

oh...

[tame tangle]

zor-el was her father's name if i'm not mistaken.

[sharp hearth]

It took me a bit to get behind it but after a few minutes I liked it

[golden frost]

https://youtube.com/shorts/0vx_YYxJFog?si=Z4SRkPrMk0tg5-Dj

Brett my darling just go see the movie

[unreal widget]

I was a little skeptical of the creative choice at first, but now it feels like a great story potential. Still not a fan of the Kryptonian getup tho.

[daring trench]

Sybau 💔

I swear these political social media influencers always piss me off

[golden frost]

They blab about wanting escapism

[daring trench]

No matter how many people love them their opinions r always outrageous and I can never align myself with them because its always stupid

😭

[golden frost]

THATS EXACTLY WHAT THIS MOVIE IS

[daring trench]

Exactly

And the form of escapsim that Superman provides is also advocacy

[golden frost]

You will get your money’s worth with Superman

[daring trench]

It's telling us to literally stand up for whats right

[golden frost]

You’re going in to watch a fun movie and escape with the family

[daring trench]

Exactly

[golden frost]

A bright colorful movie

[daring trench]

Another common brett L

🙏

[golden frost]

Inspiring me to recolor Man Of Steel in an editing software to see what I can do

[daring trench]

Her twin ben shaprio

Everytime he makes a movie review

I sit down in disappointment

Like I honestly wanna know how his brain functions

[golden frost]

“The Batman is bad”

😭

[daring trench]

Syfm 💔

My honest reaction to his review

I remember seeing that on my instagram and just wanted to die

[golden frost]

Anyway I might show you my recolor of the MoS first flight

[daring trench]

OH YES

My fav scene from the film

[golden frost]

I think I did pretty well with it

[daring trench]

MoS was actually the first superhero movie I watched as a kid

In theatres**

IN THEATRES

Just to emphasise

Idk what the first superhero movie I watched was overall

Prob Sam Raimi's spidey

[golden frost]

This 2025 one is the first standalone Superman movie I saw in theaters

[daring trench]

Guessing u weren't a big superman fan before?

[daring trench]

What software did u use?

DaVinci?

[golden frost]

HitFilm

[daring trench]

Man I find it hard to use

I just stuck to DaVinci

[golden frost]

The process was complicated for sure because of how MoS is color graded especially on the suit that was the biggest challenge

[daring trench]

Speaking of colour grading dark to light tones

Justice League did it horribly

And it was so evident

Joss Whedon 💔

[golden frost]

Eewwww

With MoS it was shot using high contrast lighting same with the other Snyder movies

[daring trench]

Like keep in mind my father who doesn't really care about these small details and for film in general

Noticed immediantly

Thats how bad justice league colour grading was

😭

[golden frost]

Everyone complaining about how the flying in Gunn’s movie looks goofy af

So what

[daring trench]

I LIKE IT

The wide lens

[golden frost]

And plus it comes down to the camera choices

The field of view as well

Zack Snyder most likely used a 35 mm camera I think

[echo kraken]

There’s a diminishing return after 100mil but releasing is not just marketing budgets. The whole distribution and stuff is like a form of “buy-in” from the distro and theater chains, so even if they didn’t spend double the budget they would’ve had other way to fill in their “half”.

[golden frost]

https://tenor.com/view/man-of-steel-gif-22234214

[daring trench]

Ik it was confirmed that gunn used a red komodo for the handheld shots

I don't remember where I saw it

But I know I saw it somewhere

[golden frost]

The close up of the face here doesn’t receive the goofy criticism

[daring trench]

Less noticeable tbh, plain background, wind effects

Less hard to notice on the first watch

Also in 2013 ppl didnt care 😭

Nowadays one mishap in vfx everyone starts dying

[golden frost]

I’ve noticed that with Zack Snyder’s color grading he has a certain goal

With Superman shots specifically

[stone turret]

i was 100% on board immediately and thought it was brilliant

[golden frost]

He wants to use two specific color palettes

First one is the red of course on the cape and S shield

Especially the cape

[stone turret]

it was a unique twist that only strengthens superman and reinforces his character

[daring trench]

The evil jor-el and lara plotline?

[golden frost]

It works for this movie

[daring trench]

The s shield pisses me off

Its so dull

[stone turret]

for marketing you can pretty much estimate that its equal to the movie's budget, up to $100M

[golden frost]

Makes us more thankful to the Kents

[daring trench]

The yellow looks off white in some scenes

[stone turret]

yes

[rustic yacht]

If Gunn really wants to go back on it, he can say Brainiac corrupted it or something

Is fine for now

[daring trench]

I 100% agree

[stone turret]

i wouldnt say theyre evil though

[golden frost]

We should be thanking Christ that Superman was raised by the Kents

[daring trench]

It forces clark to make his own morals

And we can see that in the final scene

[golden frost]

A loving family living on a farm in a small town

[stone turret]

superman and iron giant are even more similar now

[daring trench]

"He finds it soothing" and it was a compilation of ma and pa kent 😢

[stone turret]

bro was purposely sent to a weak planet with the sole purpose of ruling, and chose to become the best of its people

if that isnt the most superman thing ever then idk what is

[daring trench]

Ruling a planet against their will sounds evil to me 😭

[golden frost]

Everyday you should be thanking the fuck out of the Kents

[craggy pawn]

It's around 100 million dollars in marketing yes

[stone turret]

but to them, earth is so extremely inferior that they truly believe kal-el would be benefiting them by ruling

[daring trench]

The chances that he landed in the field of literal saints

[stone turret]

im not saying theyre right

[golden frost]

1/100000000

[stone turret]

but i dont think theyre some scheming villains

[daring trench]

Okay I see your point, they're trying to do the best for their child

Any parent would want that

[stone turret]

exactly

they sent him to the place they thought he would prosper the most

their idea of prospering is just way different then clark's idea of it lol

[daring trench]

Yeah and it's not like they know earth like clark does

[golden frost]

I know people take issue with MoS Jonathan Kent but I am still convinced he always wanted his son to be the best he can be

[stone turret]

yeah earth is just a dot on a map to them

[golden frost]

With a yellow Sun

[daring trench]

Kryptonians are a super race after all

[rustic yacht]

That is evil

[echo kraken]

Yes, but that’s because it’s the way they had that rig they perfected for Guardians 3, which requires a compact lens that can move between 3 focal length and a compact camera. It was literally built around them, hence almost had to use the Komodo and Leica Tri-Elmer lens to be the most effective.

[stone turret]

its misguided more than anything

[daring trench]

Also what a shot this is

[rustic yacht]

You don’t notice the parallels with Boravia? Him stopping Boravia is his direct way of acting against the morals of his parents and Krypton

[daring trench]

Chefs kiss

[golden frost]

The luck of that message not being able to fully be completed

Where Superman only hears the first part

[stone turret]

im not saying its right, they are absolutely in the wrong

[rustic yacht]

Is Boravia evil

[stone turret]

i wouldnt say its evil but what it was doing wasnt right

lex is evil though

maybe the boravian president was evil because he was working with lex

[golden frost]

Looks better in the actual movie

[craggy pawn]

Come on.. they also said Superman should take multiple wives and increase the gene pool so as to create a bunch of kryptonians to rule alongside him.. that's not misguided

[daring trench]

I'm so glad gunn used it on guardians 3 because it gave enough time for his crew to experiment with it before Superman and it turned out great

[stone turret]

ok maybe theyre a little evil lol

[rustic yacht]

Trying to invade another country and take over is not evil..interesting

[daring trench]

I love Gunn's new dynamic style with the wide lens shots

[golden frost]

I honestly think MoS could’ve looked even better visually with brighter colors

[daring trench]

Where was this in GOTG 1 and 2 😢

[craggy pawn]

Absolutely it is.. invading a defenseless Country and killing its people and remember their President talked about spilling blood of Jahranpurians

[stone turret]

i have to believe you're intentionally ragebaiting here

[golden frost]

Gotg 1 is still James Gunn’s best tho

My personal favorite cosmic space adventure movie

[rustic yacht]

I actually am not. You don’t think thats evil?

[daring trench]

Icl my favourite James Gunn project is Peacemaker

[echo kraken]

Some films, like Wicked, spent more, but it’s basically them leveraging the marketing for part 2 on part 1. And yeah, while it has diminishing returns after 100mil, a lot of times it depends on the distribution contracts, and the “matching the budget” had to be filled in somewhere. That’s why Disney had a bit of an advantage because they can manipulate the contract to be less than that, as they are all themselves.

[daring trench]

I fucking love that show

[stone turret]

when i say "evil" i mean like villainous, like a supervillain

[daring trench]

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-dance-party-hands-up-gif-24972326

[stone turret]

obviously boravia is a bad country doing a very bad thing

i guess evil would be a way to describe it, i was just thinking of the word in a different context

[daring trench]

If I strictly had to choose a James Gunn movie a very controversial opinion but I'm gonna say Suicide Squad

Not a huge a guardians fan

[rustic yacht]

Evil is unredeemable

[daring trench]

Don't get me started on Super 💔

[stone turret]

then yeah boravia is evil

[daring trench]

Oh for sure

[daring trench]

Killing innocents is unredeemable...

[craggy pawn]

I think more accurate is to say, Boravian leadership is evil

[stone turret]

i just think its a matter of intention, the boravian president had malicious intention whereas i dont know if jor-el did

[rustic yacht]

Exactly

[daring trench]

I think forcefully colonising a country against their will is a very evil thing

Thats undeniable man

Not even I think

It is 😭

[echo kraken]

I think, outside of the Mr Terrific sequence with Lane at the portal camp, where the use of that felt a bit forced, the whole film also used the rig way more subtlety than Guardians, and that comes with familiarity too.

[craggy pawn]

If that message is true he was very clear on the message.. it is to basically rule Earth as last son of Krypton

[stone turret]

its like asking if thanos is evil, what he is doing is wrong but it comes from a place of wanting the best for the universe

[daring trench]

Yeah I agree with the subtle nature of its utilisation

[stone turret]

yeah i guess wanting to rule another planet with an iron fist is pretty cut and dry

[daring trench]

It wasn't very subtle with the adam warlock sequence

[craggy pawn]

Of course for Jor el.. that's not evil, maybe he doesn't want Superman to be last krypton

[daring trench]

Whats subtle about this

😭

Oh wait not that scene

https://tenor.com/view/adam-warlock-flying-guardians-of-the-galaxy-guardians-guardiants-of-the-galaxy3-gotg3-gif-27552461

This one

[stone turret]

its like, back in the 1700s was everyone in america who owned a slave evil? obviously slavery is a horrible thing, but when its the societal norm and the only way of life you have ever known, are you an evil person for participating?

[daring trench]

Yeah

good intention --> unethical execution

[echo kraken]

They used way more physical and cgi enhancements on the flying shots to add weights and movements to Superman… it’s again, like Gunn was prepping for Superman on Guardians 3 lol

[daring trench]

Exactly lmaoooo

[rustic yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/kto-kounotoritoken-kounotori-lbow-storkholders-gif-25676349

[stone turret]

yeah he talked about how they used cgi to make superman's hair blow in the wind

[daring trench]

Yeah I agree with the fact the flight scenes had more weight to them

[stone turret]

in that adam warlock shot his hair doesnt move a millimeter

[stone turret]

obviously slavery is an evil thing

[daring trench]

Guardians 3 adam warlock just felt like a feather shooting through space

[stone turret]

you just have to think about the context of clark's parents being from a planet with vastly different rules and norms than earth

[daring trench]

The new rig makes it seem like the wind is resisting and theres weight to the scene

[stone turret]

clearly colonization is an evil thing, but its not crazy to imagine that jor-el didnt have nefarious intention

[daring trench]

Also I've had this question for a while and there's no definitive answer because it is james gunna and no one would know

Will any of the black adam casting stick?

[stone turret]

no

[daring trench]

In particular I'm talking about Atom Smasher

[echo kraken]

If you looked at the shots of him flying, there are way more than just hair, it was subtle, but I love the details in those shots. Invisible CGI has gotten real good of late, and he used them near perfectly on Superman

[daring trench]

Noah Centineo was great

I'm sure with a performance like his Gunn would be happy to have him back

[stone turret]

its super impressive, people complain about cgi but dont even realize its there 99% of the time

[daring trench]

His cheeks were pulling back a bit if u paid close attention

[thick arch]

I think this depends on one’s belief in objective vs subjective wrongs.

[daring trench]

I hope noah centineo stays as atom smasher

They sold on Pierce Brosnan as Dr Fate 💔

Perfect casting wasted on black adam

Nice job guys

[stone turret]

i think we can acknowledge that is is objectively wrong but also recognize that if someone is raised their entire life to believe its not wrong then they arent necessarily an evil person for doing it

[echo kraken]

Yup, and apparently that bothered Gunn after it was done… I assume he’s done a lot of self-debriefing and put the learning to the prep and planning of Superman lol… using Disney money to perfect himself is funny and great lol

[echo kraken]

Love love love

[daring trench]

Thats who gunn is, reflection and improvement

[stone turret]

james gunn fixed his eye in that one shot snyder bros were complaining about lol

[echo kraken]

Makes me happy, as I said, that part of Superman R&D was effectively on Disney Dime hehe

[daring trench]

How can u be a good filmmaker if you dont fix your mistakes

[stone turret]

james gunn is a very reactionary filmmaker, which can be a good thing and a bad thing

[echo kraken]

Heh, “beardless Superman” existed

[stone turret]

he's always taking immediate feedback and trying to incorporate it as promptly as possible, but sometimes you need to be able to stick to a vision

in the case of superman i dont think he overdid it, people were worried he would take social media criticisms to much to heart and change the movie too much because of them but he clearly didnt

[daring trench]

Nolan improved on emotional storytelling via oppenheimer

Taika Watiti and to tone down his wacky storytelling

Rian Johnson onto not alienate fans and try to have more emotional outlets in his films

We love directors improving on their mistakes

🤌

I'm so happy in Next Goal Wins, Taika still kept that wacky and goofy charm he has in his films but was still able to embrace those essential messages about love, acceptance and embracing urself

Lost it a bit in love and thunder but we back

[echo kraken]

He said that he wouldn’t have known how to add depth to the character in that way if he didn’t experience that almost career breaking sets of events. Now that’s a real filmmaker… you roll with the punches and use even negative experiences to strengthen your work

[echo kraken]

A trait for any good filmmaker… QT said it’s “really hard to make a bad film, if you put that much love behind something”

[echo kraken]

He overdid it a little for Mr Terrific, but I have a very few small minor gripes for the film, and none of them impacted the overall film… he really achieved a near “have your cake and eat it” levels of perfect balance on Superman.

[daring trench]

Exactlyyy

Anyways I shall be leaving chat good talk 🙏

Revision calls

[echo kraken]

Love and Thunder was forced to cut too short… people thought none of the jokes landed because they were stretched, but it’s not that case imo. The reasons that they didn’t work was because Taika’s humor rests on “initial cringe, then pause, then realizing it’s funny”… the film needed 20min of “audience time” which was forced to be cut by the Disney for runtime, and Taika was to ADHD to really want to go back and fix it later, and that’s not really something Marvel does anyways…

[daring trench]

The message was also lost in translation

[echo kraken]

Writing something’s hard, editing and improvement is even harder haha

[daring trench]

Jane's cancer storyline was really good

Like I thought that was a strong point in the movie

Should've had more emphasis and impact

But big man feige always has his stupid demands

[echo kraken]

My belief, is that opposite to normal audience argument, is that the movie needed to be longer…. Probably not the most popular opinion lol

[stone turret]

DONT YOU DISRESPECT GODDAMN MR TERRIFIC

[daring trench]

And those stupid demands also stopped us from seeing something like Scott Derrickson's doctor strange sequel

I am never forgiving feige for that

[stone turret]

i agree completely

[daring trench]

I just think Taika needed more control, the runtime was fine in my opinion but certain storylines needed to be cut back in order to focus on jane and thor

[stone turret]

all of my criticisms of the movie could have been fixed if it was like ten minutes longer

[daring trench]

Jane and thor should've been the centerpiece

[echo kraken]

lol I love the character, but I mean, the character’s charm is that he’s low-key extra lol
Not lowkey like the kids say, but subtly extra lol

[daring trench]

Tell me about it im writing revision notes for one of my subject's

Anyways like I said before goodbye y'all 🫡

[stone turret]

there are rumors that they cut like 30 minutes out of the movie to make it less of a comedy and streamline the story more

[echo kraken]

Love and Thunder?

[stone turret]

i would love to see a directors cut with those extra 30 minutes if its real

[stone turret]

superman

[echo kraken]

I think I’ll agree with it honestly… since Gunn didn’t rely on studio feedback, but got a lot of his friends and other filmmakers (yes even Snyder) on it instead, so those 30min probably were affecting the tone and feel too much. I wouldn’t be surprised if those 30min were just a LOT of 4-5sec trims

[stone turret]

i think 30 minutes is excessive, but i think a couple more "transition" scenes would have been nice

[echo kraken]

Not sure director’s cut, but I’d definitely be curious on them as some kind of extra.

[stone turret]

like the kaiju fight starts so suddenly, if there had been like a 30 second scene of someone finding it in the morning at like 7 feet tall and then showing the kaiju start to walk downtown while growing, that would have been better

[echo kraken]

I mean, it’s not like a QT style “8 hours script, 6 hours assembly, 2.5 hours film” levels trim lol

[stone turret]

as opposed to just having someone on the news say "they found it this morning and it was 7 feet tall and then it grew" after the fight was over

[echo kraken]

I like that it’s a payoff to “oh it’ll grow” tho lol

[stone turret]

this movie has quite a bit of telling instead of showing, which i understand is necessary because they were setting up an entire new universe

but i think some of it could have been shown or just not told

these are small criticisms though

gotta stress that i really liked the movie

[echo kraken]

Like I’m sure the actual Interdimensional Imp fight had some Justice Gang fights filmed, and trimming them down and focusing on Supe and Lane is probably one of the trims.

[echo kraken]

Same, I have some minor gripes, but I voice them because I can’t find anything major personally, so it sounds like I’m more annoyed by them than I really am lol

[echo kraken]

Most of the expositional dialogue were handled correctly, as “in character”… so it’s done in ways where one character requests the information and the other explains it. Expositions are not inherently bad, as long as they are not outright mansplaining, like the red sun thing with drunk supergirl. Like, the Superman-bots would’ve known that without Superman explaining it to them. That’s purely for the audience. Again, minor gripes.

[stone turret]

one of my biggest dialogue gripes in general is:

if two characters are talking, and they both know a piece of information

[echo kraken]

I am particularly impressed by the Lois/Clark dialogues, they both spent a lot of time speaking in subtext, opposite to what they really mean, which is so real.

[stone turret]

then one character would never say that information to the other

it just feels super unnatural

[stone turret]

lois and clark had a fantastic dynamic in this movie

[echo kraken]

Right, and the film’s dialogues were mostly in advancement of the conversations, that’s ultra impressive.

[stone turret]

yeah the red sun comment is the only time this movie suffers from that

because general audiences wont question why a kryptonian is drunk

[echo kraken]

I know I bring the example up often but “I knew this would never work” meaning “I want this to work so much” is like, pure genius

[stone turret]

and big superman/supergirl fans already know about the red sun stuff

[echo kraken]

Exactly, and it could be handled in “I didn’t know kryptonians could get drunk”, “she goes planet hopping around red suns so she could”, “ah right”

Instead of a block of expositional monologue lol

[golden frost]

What if Superman was exposed to a blue sun

[tame tangle]

depowered.

[golden frost]

Wait really

[sharp hearth]

DEAD!!!!

[rustic yacht]

https://t.co/0LnWo7kN9b

[stone turret]

dont ask what happens if he's exposed to a pink sun...

[golden frost]

FUCK

Now I really wanna know

[stone turret]

technically its pink kryptonite

makes him gay

this is canon btw

there is genuinely a pink kryptonite in the comics that makes superman gay

[tame tangle]

there's worse things in life

[unreal widget]

Yeah a Superman who chooses humanity over god hood.

[unreal widget]

Ure kidding

[echo kraken]

He’s not, but it’s a comic only one that is basically a satire of the random Kytonite and their random effects in Silver Age… it was depicted to with turn you gay or switch your gender hehe

[stone turret]

the only other time this happens in the movie is when guy gardner explains the hypno glasses to lois, but that works because he is supposed to be an idiot and she points out that he shouldnt be telling her about them

[echo kraken]

That one worked because of the character dynamics

[lilac sand]

Hi everyone. I have a question.

In Superman (2025), there's a scene where Superman Robot #4 plays a recorded holographic message from Superman's biological parents, Jor-El and Lara, to soothe Superman while he's healing. We hear them speaking in their native Kryptonian language, with Superman Robot #4 providing an English translation.

The Kryptonian dialogue sounds like a real European language. I'm curious whether the filmmakers actually used a real-world language for the Kryptonian dialogue, and if so, which one? Or is it perhaps a constructed language created for the film?

[thick arch]

To me the dialogue sounded like Arabic

[digital sparrow]

Superman kind of felt like a kids movie

It wasn't terrible, it was Okay

but I didn't emotionally connect with any character

There are a few dialogues that are unnecessary

[digital sparrow]

yes that was good

[digital sparrow]

same

Like Lex Luthor not checking his gf's entire browser history

he could have easily known she told about the pocket dimension

[keen mural]

Do people generally really like this movie

[digital sparrow]

I don't know

I only feel it was okay

[keen mural]

Idk why I didn’t like it much

[digital sparrow]

Same, I expected more

[keen mural]

Same

[digital sparrow]

this was the same guy that narrowed down the guy who interacted with superman twice

and then how did he not consider the dog would join the fight?

[keen mural]

How does my guy just have the ability to create pocket universe but be so

Like

[digital sparrow]

and the speech in the end superman gives, it's kind of unnatural, the point he makes perhaps is correct but

it shouldn't have been told by himself

'my advantage is'

[digital sparrow]

exactly

he's smart because we're told so

[keen mural]

Is lobo supposed to be the supergirl villain

[digital sparrow]

And Superman saying 'brain beats brawn' 😭

how is that brain

letting his dog join fight

wasn't that a given

[keen mural]

[digital sparrow]

why wouldn't Lex be expecting that

[digital sparrow]

Oooooo

[keen mural]

Couldn’t he have just put a damn camera on the superman clone as well

[digital sparrow]

I wish the jokes were toned down a lil

didn;t emotionally connect with any character

[digital sparrow]

yeah

bro can make pocket dimensions

can't do that

[keen mural]

Ikr

[digital sparrow]

it's a children fim

minus the kiss scenes

[keen mural]

Supergirl seem weird also

[digital sparrow]

mmm

she had one scene so I didn't bother

[keen mural]

Is there a proper post credit

[digital sparrow]

Superman had more potential

[keen mural]

I didn’t wait for it in the cinema

[digital sparrow]

one is superman and krypto on moon, 2 seconds

and another is superman commenting on

the walls joining after the blackhole

he said it wasn't perfect

[keen mural]

Oh ok

[digital sparrow]

and mr. terrific is pissed off of that

that's it

actually the whole plan

[keen mural]

Idk maybe I wanted to see more superman fighting or idk

[digital sparrow]

to open blackhole

[keen mural]

I’m a very casual movie watcher

[digital sparrow]

was dumb

like what was the point

[digital sparrow]

same, even Man of Steel had more action scenes

[digital sparrow]

I think it's valid

[keen mural]

I don’t get why the justice guys randomly stepped in

[digital sparrow]

the action scenes were underwhelming

[keen mural]

To stop the invasion

[digital sparrow]

yeah, they were funded by something, right?

[keen mural]

Something corp?

[digital sparrow]

yes

corporate only I think

and the characters in Justice Gang had nothing unqiue on them

Like Mr. Terrific was a helpful dude but that's all

[keen mural]

Yes

[digital sparrow]

Tbh I would have preferred if it focused more on Superman

and his inner struggles

[keen mural]

Exactly

[digital sparrow]

or Lex's motivation

we don't see any inner struggles

[keen mural]

I wanted less of the other people we were shown

[digital sparrow]

just surface level exposition

yes

[keen mural]

What dc movie is next in this

[digital sparrow]

mmm I don't know the next

but supergirl, batman the brave and bold

not sure if any of them began shooting

[keen mural]

Supergirl then clay face apparently

[digital sparrow]

if all films are like this, I'm not gonna be invested

oh yes

clay face

this film actually felt like click bait

[keen mural]

Is he Batman villain

Right

[digital sparrow]

James Gunn + Superman + good reviews

yes

[digital sparrow]

all youtubers were hyping it like it was the best thing ever

sigh

[keen mural]

I saw high review rating

[digital sparrow]

I liked Zack Snyder's Justice League more

same

[keen mural]

And thought this would be amazing considering it can’t fail

[digital sparrow]

it had emotions, we connected with Cyborg's arc etc

[digital sparrow]

Same

It was like a formula used to get people in theatres

the marketing plan

[keen mural]

Mm

Is sandman not marvel what

[digital sparrow]

not marvel

that's a different sandman

DC has one, Marvel has one

[keen mural]

I haven’t watched any of the dc shows

[digital sparrow]

I watched a bit of Creature Commandos, wasn't bad

but there were better stuff to watch

[keen mural]

Ye idk what that is

[digital sparrow]

Just the Suicide Squad but with monster kinda meta humans

but an animated series so there's more time to develop

[keen mural]

Ok

[digital sparrow]

I'm not gonna invest much in the new DCU

this was a let down

[keen mural]

After this yes

Hopefully lobo is cool I like him

[digital sparrow]

imma scroll and see what others thought

yeah Jason Momoa is a good actor

even in this film, the cast were good

just the storyline :|

plot too predictable obv

[keen mural]

I hope fantastic 4 isn’t trash at least

[digital sparrow]

yeah let's see

I'll be happy if it's good

Don't wanna see superhero genre like this

Invincible comics was the only last good thing I saw

TDK trilogy, Sam Raimi films

[keen mural]

Anyways ima go now

[digital sparrow]

even GOTG were nice

cya

[keen mural]

Nice to talk

Bye

[digital sparrow]

Likewise

cya

[digital sparrow]

Man, I should have expected this

but GOTG you had emotional connections with the team

it just didn't work here

[digital sparrow]

and still it had a lot of comedy.

[digital sparrow]

And then people complained about the fixed one too

I mean he was pretty generic

his whole character

Batman films do make more money I think yeah

[lilac sand]

Could you expand on this?

[digital sparrow]

Yeah David was a good superman

I would have preferred more time inside Luthor's head but it maybe just me

I agree with you there isn't any emotional connection here like GOTG films

there were unnecessaary diaolgues

Yeah I was actually disappointed to see the Ultraman reveal, since we already know

well it's a good children's film at the end of the day

they don't care about inconsistencies

[digital sparrow]

well Deadshot has put superman on ICU before

and if Superman was evil, the world will unite to end him

People like Lex can clone him

[digital sparrow]

Yeah it was actually good

I only watched like 1-2 seasons

But seeing Supes as a dad was nice

The Batman was a better film

[keen mural]

I knew it the hawk girl was the same actor as Dina from tlou

[opal fog]

He still is

The whole reason the movie happens is because of him

Every event is because of Superman

How much y’all think this movie is gonna make?

[high kindle]

I enjoyed Superman. I guess the humor part of it might not be for everyone, but don't think that part wasn't too terrible. ||Loved The Peacemaker cameo and Mily will do great as emo Supergirl lol||

[craggy pawn]

https://www.thewrap.com/superman-2025-dog-adoptions-increase-krypto/

[opal fog]

No matter the box office, this movies impact will not be denied

I truly think this movie should be a cultural reset

[gritty tundra]

https://youtube.com/shorts/EbfPkXlCchw?si=3uBt23Ww7-jbEOq9

Wow these people exist

[finite oracle]

Max Lord

[wind adder]

It was just decent. Don’t get the hype.

There are many people who compared this film with Spider-Man 1 and Batman Begins💀

Gunn fans will love this film.

[sharp hearth]

It's way better than spider-man 1

Similar level to Batman Begins

[stone turret]

spider-man 1 is definitely a good comparison for this movie, they both really embrace the comic book feel

[digital sparrow]

yeah

it was just okay

[digital sparrow]

💀

raimi films were iconic

GOTG films were better than this Superman film imo

[digital sparrow]

Because we actually emotionally connected to the characters there

here nah

[wind adder]

I gave the same rating, but I think GOTG 3 definitely had more depth.

[digital sparrow]

yes

Superman is more like a children film here

not anything too terrible to watch

but just not as good as it is hyped

I have a lot of complaints

because of the way it got hyped

Atp characters in comic book movies just are the same people but with different powers.

Like Mr. Terrific his character felt so generic

he was helping supes, cool and stuff

but we only got surface level exposition

Invincible is prolly the best comic book series around right now

[wind adder]

Mr Terrific was cool. The other Justice Gang members weren’t required.

[digital sparrow]

Moist critical has the most unbiased review I have seen so far of Superman

He said when Lex played the russian roulette and killed the innocent guy, that momentum should have carried on

but instead we don't see him go low again

[digital sparrow]

He was cool yeah, but there wasn't anything unique about his character, in his actions. I did like his action scenes, well it's a superman film after all

[wind adder]

This movie was too goofy, especially the fight between Ultraman and Superman in the stadium.

[digital sparrow]

yeah

[wind adder]

Like what was that

[digital sparrow]

and the fact that Lex didn't expect Krypto to join Supes??????

that is just stupid

[wind adder]

How can anybody think this movie is much better than Spider-Man 1

[digital sparrow]

exactly

[digital sparrow]

when Ultraman was unmasked, it was so underwhelming

we knew it was coming

and the only point of the character was muscle

no nuances

I wish Lex did more scheming

[digital sparrow]

And Supes says 'brain beats brawn' for this

like literally what

the writing made Luthor just smart because we are told so

and he can invent stuff that's all

[wind adder]

I don’t even care about the DCU. I just hope we get more Reevesverse stuff.

[digital sparrow]

actor did a good job, but a wasted potential

[digital sparrow]

Same actually

I wasn't disappointed by the Batman

unlike this film

it lived the hype

the tone of the film, the characters

and music

Batmobile, Batsuit etc

[wind adder]

It will end up the same way as DCEU from the looks of it and Gunn should’ve never been chosen to head the DC studios.

[digital sparrow]

yeah -_-

If they had cut down the jokes for some emotional connections, it would have been better

[wind adder]

I hope Tom King gets more involved.

[digital sparrow]

Oooo batman author

[wind adder]

Exactly.

[digital sparrow]

I heard they already cut like 30 minutes of jokes

and it was still like this

imma rewatch TDK trilogy

to affirm myself Superhero movies can be matured

[wind adder]

The inclusion of lame jokes during serious scenes made the whole thing seem trivial.

[digital sparrow]

yes

[wind adder]

There was tonal difference at times.

[digital sparrow]

the film felt short too

yes

[digital sparrow]

because I barely connected with any character

there wasn't much 'subtle'

you're being spoon fed with dialogues every other second

unnecessary ones too

[wind adder]

Superman I&II were made during pre crisis era and it didn’t feel anywhere as ridiculous as this film.

[digital sparrow]

yeah, this was ridiculous

nothing was dwelved in deeply

war tensions? we only hear a little about it

bad guy conquering good guy

one dimensional

Would have loved to see Clark and Lois

in the daily planet

[gritty tundra]

I do wished it was like 20 minutes longer tbh

Omw to see superman for the second time

[gritty tundra]

Less people this time oh no...

It has only been the second week

Probably because it's wednesday though

[rustic yacht]

https://vxtwitter.com/culturecrave/status/1945325121687970051

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave)

Spotify is matching your music taste to a #Superman character 🎧

Search ‘Superman’ in the app and it’ll assign you one of their playlists https://t.co/qIh1hnYYuA

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jul 16, 2025, 3:30 AM

[gritty tundra]

What is the second post credit scene of superman

[spiral ferry]

I got Eve 🤣

[stone turret]

I GOT LEX 😎😎😎

[stone turret]

robert pattinson's batman shows up in clark's apartment and says "we need to talk"

[golden frost]

A lot of overglazing comes from bias

[opal fog]

You’re more obsessed with hating on this movie than people who like it

When will people realize not every superhero masterpiece needs to be “dark” or “mysterious”

[opal fog]

Oh btw I got lex also

[wind adder]

How is calling a movie “decent”the same as hating it?

[opal fog]

You constantly trash on this movie in here

[wind adder]

It doesn’t have to. That’s not the criticism

[wind adder]

Am I? Having some criticism doesn’t mean I hate the movie.

[opal fog]

I do agree I do think GOTG 3 is better

I think GOTG 3 is one of the most perfect superhero movies

[wind adder]

I have mentioned the positives. Not everybody has to glaze the movie like you do.

[opal fog]

That is true, but I do have some issues with the movie

Like I think the first 30 minutes were completely overhyped

I like it but people were acting like it was a magnum opus like The Dark Knights opening

[stone turret]

guardians 3 is gunn's best movie

superman is top 3 for me though

[opal fog]

Superman is #2

GOTG 3 #1

[gritty tundra]

I know you're lying

[golden frost]

You see this a lot with early DC movie reactions

They hype it up to be way better than it actually is

The Flash is an example

[stone turret]

nuh uhhhhhhhh trust bro

[thick arch]

That is where the Batman theme was played, during that end credit scene. It was beautiful.

[golden frost]

“I’m here to talk to you about the Justice League Initiative”

[rustic yacht]

Well

[opal fog]

Why would we lie about Batman being in the movie

It was actually so insane

During the credits scene

The whole theater went insane

Popcorn everywhere

And it said

THE BATMAN AND SUPERMAN WILL RETURN…

TOGETHER.

Then their logos were combined together

So World’s Finest is basically confirmed

[golden frost]

We were all screaming with joy

[rustic yacht]

https://fxtwitter.com/jamesgunn/status/1945496226117431394

James Gunn (@JamesGunn)

Look Out. 2026.

**💬 86 🔁 529 ❤️ 2.2K 👁️ 6.2K **

FxTwitter · Jul 16, 2025, 2:50 PM

[craggy pawn]

Nice

[craggy pawn]

https://youtu.be/7KWJnL06GiE?si=tpLaPPpptNkL0d6G

[heady lance]

Pretty cool

[rustic yacht]

https://variety.com/2025/film/news/superman-success-budget-cast-salaries-1236462393/

[placid dragon]

What’s your take on the Superman movie

[golden frost]

Funny how Superman stands for basic human kindness yet this online discourse is the opposite of that

[echo kraken]

When you make a complex fictional world, that draw on real-world inspirations, people will try to equate the inspirations as direct parallel or analogy.
It doesn't have to, but not everyone can or wants to make the cognitive dissonance.

It's the power of the medium, ultimately... if you make something immersive, people are going to treat it as true.

[golden frost]

It’s also the case of how there are those who love this movie but cannot go for 5 seconds of glazing it without trashing another version

[echo kraken]

It's the same cognitive dissonance in my opinions... or like... supporting your local pro sports teams, you know?
It's like "I love living in THIS world, so any other alternatives are OTHER, and therefore FALSE"

[golden frost]

I love Man Of Steel but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna bash the new one regardless of whether I like it or not

And yes I did really like this new one

[echo kraken]

Right, but it's like, there's always going to be diehard Yankees fans who will trash Mets, you know?

[regal holly]

a certain amount of films are better when you abandon the online discourse that surrounds them

[golden frost]

I’ve already seen people who love MoS also love this new one

[regal holly]

there's no point in mentioning the faux right-leaning morons who debase and immediately get annoyed at movies for no reason

[echo kraken]

Yes, and some doesn't help, like... Snow White... is Snow White BETTER without online discorses and culture wars? Absolutely... is it a better movie than I thought it would be? That's also true...
But is it really WATCHABLE? Not really lol.

[regal holly]

let these people feed off eachother on twitter and let it be

[golden frost]

You have one side of this discourse ripping this movie apart and the other ripping the other movie apart, I can’t even escape the YT videos ripping these movies apart

[echo kraken]

I think the majority will, because they are fans of SUPERMAN... there are some who are locked into Snyder (who has himself moved-on from it already...), that are fans of the SNYDERMAN, that will be hard to twist lol.

[fallen solar]

they already got 3 movies

[golden frost]

I just can’t stand when the MoS haters act like there’s absolutely nothing done right about the movie same for the other side

[regal holly]

Yes I struggled immensely with the Snow White remake. I just struggle to find any meaning in the culture/online discourse it had regarding the relation to the original/Rachel Zegler stuff. It's so nothing. Talk about the film and it's qualities. I'd only really encourage the online debate if it was an intensely political film or one that was making broad leaps and statements

[echo kraken]

My big issue is that people are TOXICALLY comparing the 2 films... and it's like... WHY?
It's a different mood, it's over.

Comparing OG run of batman films (1989-2000s) with Nolan, then Matt Reeves... is a futile exercise.

[golden frost]

Why are we comparing this new Superman with Zack Snyder’s one specifically, why not Bryan Singer’s version from 2006

[fallen solar]

becsue they have short memories

[regal holly]

Because Snyder's Superman was the most recent and audience divided. People are more inclined to compare them when they're immensely popular anyway. Bryan Singer's Superman isn't talked about because it didn't really make an impression socially at the point.

[golden frost]

Did we all just collectively agree that Superman Returns was just a nothing movie

[echo kraken]

Not quite the right place for that, but I'll OCD my 2 cents: "When a movie changes the rules and definition of the in-world logic 3 times before 10min mark, the film immediately (subconsciously) lost the TRUST of the audience. With a reluctant audience, you have to drag or flip them. But instead, the film doubled-down on the narrative definition confusion. This makes the audience trust the film even less, and therefore less engaged."

[echo kraken]

I like the film, but it's very vanilla

[golden frost]

Vanilla? Meaning?

[regal holly]

It's just okay

[golden frost]

Just ok

Interesting

[fallen solar]

its solid. its good, but nothing special

there's lots to like about it, but nothing I really loved

[golden frost]

Can we at least agree MoS is better even tho you probably weren’t big on it either?

[echo kraken]

More like, it didn’t really push anything forward, it’s a film that stands by itself… I love vanilla ice cream, but it won’t really wow me any day.

[regal holly]

yes perfectly put

[echo kraken]

Exactly

[golden frost]

I feel like I’m going to enjoy Superman 4 more idk

[regal holly]

Superman 4 quest for peace??

really??

[echo kraken]

It’s brilliantly campy and stupid, but the vibes is amazing

[golden frost]

Idk if it’s gonna be a better movie lol

But it looks more entertaining

[fallen solar]

Me? Oh no, I hated MoS. I remember liking the score though

[echo kraken]

I like Superman Returns more than Man of Steel honestly… I might not be wowed by vanilla, I HATE licorish lol

[fallen solar]

ooh, good analogy

I think Returns paid some nice homages, and it sucks that Routh never got a proper chance to play him, but some of the story choices were horrible.

[golden frost]

Deadbeat Dad

[fallen solar]

actually, it was super cool to see Routh play him again in the Arrowverse crossover eps

[thick pivot]

I'm so buying my dogs a Krypto costume lol

[fallen solar]

heck yeah, do it

[thick pivot]

He was goodest super dog next to Cosmo from GOTG

[fallen solar]

really needs some training though

[thick pivot]

Also SEAN GUNN AS MAXWELL LORD AHH

SUPERGIRL, GREEN LANTERN, HAWK GIRL

[fallen solar]

I knew he was going to pop up somewhere

[sharp hearth]

I might too lol

Especially since my dog looks a lot like him

Old lady version of krypto

[thick pivot]

omgosh

What breed was this version of Krypto?

Also was that old Eastern European guy based off anybody?

I called him "Undead Phil Spector" lol

[echo kraken]

It’s objectively not a great film, but damn the vibes and the antics are peak

[golden frost]

It’s pure camp yes?

[echo kraken]

Lord is still in his “hero” phase I guess lol

[echo kraken]

As far as 80s random goes, it’s not quite there, so a lot of people fault it for that… but as far as just referring to Golden Age and Silver Age goodie twoshoes Superman and his whacky adventures (as I said earlier, that whole period is about setting up impossible obstacles for Superman to solve absurdly), it’s right on the mark.

[golden frost]

STOP IT DONT DO IT THE PEOPLE

[echo kraken]

Late 80s Cold War nuclear fears is part of it, hence the “Quest for Peace”

[echo kraken]

Not gonna lie, while story and execution and whatnot is vastly underwhelming in Superman 4, it might be my fav Christopher Reeves Superman film, precisely because of how stupid it is.

[golden frost]

Reeve himself apparently hated that movie

Disowned it

[echo kraken]

I mean, it sort of caused Superman V, which would've featured Brainiac to be cancelled... if it wasn't I'm sure he wouldn't have hated it that much lol

The film also basically contributed heavily to Cannon Group's bankrupsy haha

In so much as, Cannon Group hobbled along for a of decade after that, but Superman IV was the reason it all started to fall apart and changed to Cannon Inc and stuff.

[echo kraken]

The big issue isn't really with the film itself, but the budget was slashed by half, so the special effect and all the cooler things that were on the script wasn't really possible.
The film is rather bare-boned, and they had to rely on antics and stuff...

[golden frost]

Didn’t they reuse the same flying shots of Superman multiple times

[fallen solar]

it was filmed in Milton Keynes

[echo kraken]

Oh, that's like... the least of the film's problems bwahaaha...

[fallen solar]

that tells you everything

[golden frost]

Nuclear Man

We be having a cycle of Superman clones

[echo kraken]

That's maybe 1/4th of the issues too bwahaha

[fallen solar]

you should see the Honest Trailer for Supes 4

[golden frost]

Superman 4: Rest in Peace

[echo kraken]

Yeah and it particularly tickled my nerd-sense by having Superman 2025 be inspired in parts on Superman 4 too bwahah

[echo kraken]

heehee I should watch it now

[golden frost]

In 1978, Superman couldn’t get top billing in his own movie

And Marlon Brando was paid a fuckton more with barely any screen time

[fallen solar]

and kept syaing Krypton wrong

[echo kraken]

That video actually just reminds me how much I loved that dumb film bwahaha

[ornate wharf]

Ok, I'm about to scroll and read some of this, but I will give you my take:

It did not exceed expectations, and those were very low to begin with.

I just -- I didn't like it, Iw asn't impressed, what were those credit scenes anyway? complete waste of time.

[austere stream]

Credits scenes dont need to be setup imo

[ornate wharf]

ie, setup for future movies?

well, to throw a marvel example out there, the scene in the first avengers when they were eating at the shwarma place didn't advance a plot but was pretty hilarious to me.

and i have a strange relationship with marvel, i've seen about a third of it

I'm not trying to throw down though

What is the consensus here?

[sharp hearth]

That's very subjective, the superman post credit scenes were the same type of thing so it's up to preference

[echo kraken]

The whole thing that Gunn said is that none of the post-credits (and mid-credits) will now be served as setup for other films, but character moments.

[sharp hearth]

I liked it a lot. Not in my top level of superhero movies but I really enjoyed it and can't wait for more.

[ornate wharf]

I mean, I was lukewarm on guardians of the galaxy and james gunn to begin with (although I did like slither)

in fact, it was guardians being praised as one of the best marvels out there that convinced me marvel was not for me anymore, as i wasn't a fan.

so, maybe gunn's direction is just lost on me

[keen mural]

Oh really?

[echo kraken]

It seems, at least here, about 45:30:25 love -> like -> hate the film.

[ornate wharf]

I found the shwarma scene in the first avenger sto not advance the plot but I didn't feel it wasted y time to sit there. I thought it was funny.

like, they were all so exhausted, and just eating. i didn't get that kind fo connection in the superman o nes

i'm goign to try to be more deep than just, "I didn't like it."

I understand that gunn said it's not an origin story, but there was no stated motivation

what exactly was luthor's again? that superman's heroism highlighted how base humanity was so he had to destroy him?

i mean wtf

[echo kraken]

Yup, he thinks it didn't work for the sigularity of the films (his whole thing is that each film should at least be able to stand on its own), and is what Marvel did wrong, an a bit of cheaty.

[keen mural]

I see

[ornate wharf]

is this superman the start of a new phase of dc, or is it comletely a slice of life?

oh wait, there's supergirl coming

[austere stream]

Fair

[ornate wharf]

i just watched milly alcock in sirens.

[echo kraken]

I don't think you understood that the film is about DEEP FEAR of the OTHER... no matter how much good or bad or whatever the person is or are...

[ornate wharf]

so luthor is the embodiment of the deep fear that humanity has of otherness, especially that of "good" ?

and the ability for that sentiment of humanity to lash out

[echo kraken]

Luthor is deeply about showing off his own intellect and growing his powers, and Superman makes humanity "weak" in his mind, and as a member of humanity, he cannot allow that... circular logic, that because he thinks he's the pinnicle of humanity, that he has to go against him.

[echo kraken]

Not of good, PURELY of the OTHERNESS.

[ornate wharf]

wtf

did gunn say that somewhere?

[echo kraken]

WTF? It's pretty much on screen, lol

[ornate wharf]

no, i'm seriously trying ot understand, please dno't belittle me.

[echo kraken]

The entire last exchange between Superman and Lex Luthor is about that

And the fight between Ultraman (unmasked) and Superman

This version of Lex Luthor wasn't shy about his motivations or anger

[ornate wharf]

the final scene where luthor was in his battle station getting his ass kicked?

or was there another one, feel free to remind me

before that

the conversation before that

[echo kraken]

Before he got dog-handled by Krypto trying to double down, yes hehe

Superman is about the BEAUTY of HUMANITY, even if he really isn't one... he thinks he is one, and is trying to fit in, and do good.
Lex is basically repeating "You can't do this to us, you're not HUMAN"

[ornate wharf]

do what to us?

impose his morality?

and then that's how the manipulation of the video message comes in?

[echo kraken]

ANYTHING, you can't be more powerful than us, you can't decide what we do, you're an ALIEN

[echo kraken]

It's not manipulated, it's recovered, but it may be argued that it's imperfectly restored, as in, there could still be pieces missing.

[ornate wharf]

I dunno. Maybe I just got dumbed down but stuff like Black Widow. I mean, I saw it in the theater to support scarlett johansson, but the motivations in that weren't exactly subtle.

or dr.strange

neither of which had a plot to speak of.

maybe i should rewatch it?

Idon't think I"m that invested though. i didn't like it like i loved free guy and wanted to watch it multiple times.

[echo kraken]

This film is actually incredibly subtle, despite being very plain on the surface.
I think outside of the Guardians films, and the Favreau Iron Man films, ... maybe the Russos films, none of the other Marvel films are as subtextual

[ornate wharf]

well, that's what i'm saying.

i'm.... just not buying it. i feel like it's a stretch. maybe i look for the scene in which he's talking about his motivations and yelling int he cockpit again?

or was there a thing where they communicated directly. idon't remember.

[echo kraken]

It's not your fault, it's just how Gunn likes to run things... it'll get a while to use to it I think... and it's just the first film, so we don't even really know if that'll be where it'll stay...
He's gonna be letting other directors get at them too, so we don't know really anything other than what this film shows.

[ornate wharf]

where's ana propriate place to discuss james gunn's work? or is it probably ok here. like, not deep dive, just -- i mean, i've seen slither, i've seen guardians...

and i was really, really not impressed with guardians.

i just got.... confused. i probablyshould have rewathced it instead of dismissing it.

[echo kraken]

Lex Luthor and Superman had a conversation a few times, each time he basically argues a version of "You're JUST an alien, you're an IT, not a HUMAN... you have no rights, go away"

[ornate wharf]

i spaced out when they explained the infinity stones and didn't care enough to investigate more.

[ornate wharf]

ok, i do remember that.

in the ice house

[echo kraken]

He knocks on the point so much that when he's about to say the same thing again, after Superman's "I may not be perfect, but I'm trying" speech to him, that they got Krypto to come in to shut him up... because Gunn knows the audience had heard enough of the same bulletpoints.

EVERY single time Lex comes in, he's really just saying a slightly different version of the same message

[unreal widget]

I'm just glad I'm gonna get the world of JLA properly built live.

[echo kraken]

Also... A1 A1 A1 lol

[unreal widget]

https://tenor.com/view/wonder-woman-batman-dcau-justice-league-unlimited-gif-17018809

[echo kraken]

I'm cautiously optimistic... this is a great start to a new universe, but... I need at least The Holy Trinity of DC to be done properly before I'm gonna dive head-first into it on every film lol

[unreal widget]

https://tenor.com/view/justice-league-damn-bro-you-got-the-whole-squad-laughing-jl-martian-manhunter-hawkgirl-gif-23540967

[echo kraken]

I love Lantern, I love Flash, I love the whole thing... but without the Holy Trinity... JL is like... no soul

[unreal widget]

This universe will be amazing.

[echo kraken]

[knock on wood] I hope so

[unreal widget]

https://tenor.com/view/zatanna-dc-zatanna-justice-league-unlimited-zatanna-smile-gif-12494680876899382899

[echo kraken]

mmmmm Zatanna

[unreal widget]

https://tenor.com/view/dcau-justice-league-unlimited-wally-west-the-flash-flash-gif-21384457

Snyder verse is great as an elseworlds, TAS universe is how it makes sense.

I think James Gunn has a similar sensibility. I'm on board, will watch a 2nd time next week

[echo kraken]

Snyderverse, as far as we know, is dead.
At least, Snyder himself doesn't seem to be interested in doing anything in it.

But once they run out of initial bits of ideas at the new DC things, and starts to mess with bigger and bigger threats, I'm sure they are going to bring a version of Snyderverse back somehow.

[unreal widget]

As an else world's yes

[echo kraken]

The big difference between Live-Action and Comics, is that you can keep adding levels of threats, while the Live Action sort of has a bit of a "seal of freshness"... Marvel stretched a good 10 years between Iron Man and Endgame, we'll see how much Gunn can stretch that.

[unreal widget]

The main continuity won't run out of ideas considering the mountain of source material to draw inspiration from

[echo kraken]

It's not like Marvel is short of materials themselves... look at where it is now?

Real actors get old, real world changes... there's a sort of timelessness inside comic worlds.

[unreal widget]

Dull argument, marvel still has enough material to revive the universe.

[echo kraken]

I think the mistakes of Marvel is that Feige tries to always refer to “popular and iconic” storylines based on what characters they have available to them.
Gunn is being smarter and expanding smaller storylines and characters (not quite with Superman, but Clayface etc)… and I think that will have a much better longevity.

[echo kraken]

Absolutely, but they are always worried about “popular characters”… they sort of wrote themselves into a corner, and now had to write themselves out

Like, why Galactus in Fantastic 4 at the get go?

Hopefully, they are setting up for Franklin and Valeria, but who knows

[unreal widget]

That's a matter of structure, JLU proves that it's possible to do well. And and so did everything before endgame. Sincerity, of writing has nothing to do with the quality of VFX or tone of the film.

[echo kraken]

Not at all, you’re totally right.
My problems with Marvel is that they really need to start looking at the minor characters again… like, I REALLY liked she-hulk and Ms Marvel, and The Marvels isn’t as bad as I felt on original watch… so plenty of fuel left in the tank in Marvel… they just need to handle it right

I’m more looking forward to the Doomsday reshuffle

[unreal widget]

I'm all for the type of world and story telling James Gunn is bringing to the DCU, because of the sincerity he brought to superman. DC is back baby.

[echo kraken]

At least when it comes to my own household, there’s plenty of room for both franchises honestly

[echo kraken]

Yeah cautiously optimistic. I LOOOOVE this Superman… but Gunn as a director is well proven… I don’t know how he’ll do as a studio head when managing other directors. So far I have faith in him, but I’m careful because I’ve been burned too many times by studios lol

Supergirl and Clayface will hopefully cement the new DC cinematic universe for me

The Brave and The Bold is honestly what I’m most hyped about… been dying for a Bat-family film in live action

[near drum]

same

and heard that its gonna be already established bat family

with batman and damian wayne as the main protagonists of the film

[thick arch]

Clayface and swamp thing I’m most excited for, I think they could do some cool and unique things with these. Hopefully lower budget, great practical effects, character focused story.

[near drum]

Interested to see how they’ll do with clayface since it’s gonna be mature and body horror

[blazing vigil]

Where’s this from??? Love this

[echo kraken]

Clayface was apparently supposed to be body horror, I can’t wait

[echo kraken]

What you said lol

Swampy is so passively anxy, if they get him right there’s not much “weird” in DC they can’t do honestly

[craggy pawn]

It's an in universe Daily planet newspaper the day after the battle with Hammer of Boravia.. I only found the first page, hopefully other pages will be released too

[blazing vigil]

That’s mad sick

Love this pop culture stuff

[craggy pawn]

Totally

[finite oracle]

@echo kraken it’s at 314 million today.

It’s headed to magical 600

[echo kraken]

As expected, I expect 450mil by the end of the weekend for it to reach 600-625mil prediction by end of 31-day initial run. I’ll need to do some maths if the more concrete numbers comes in Monday afternoon comes in higher than that.

[finite oracle]

I’m glad. I want that supergirl movie

[echo kraken]

WB already confirmed based on opening numbers that all of presently announced Gunn projects are a go

[finite oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-emoji-rage-gif-3851471549750385303

[echo kraken]

They know they will have to suffer some losses at the beginning

[finite oracle]

It’ll be worth it.

[craggy pawn]

Superman making 600 million dollars with poor international box office numbers is amazing imo

[echo kraken]

As I said, they know they done fucked up, which is why they spent BIG money to fire the previous boss and hire Gunn AND his partner. They know they will have to suffer a bit, and is on the offensive.

[finite oracle]

It is. Although now international is slightly more.

[craggy pawn]

Absolutely.. this movie was never gonna make a lot of money

[echo kraken]

I’m not trusting that the international is going to stay that low honestly, as word goes around. That’s the big variable in my pseudo math.

[craggy pawn]

I think the WoM is saving this movie and it also has a rewatchability factor.. it has another week to make money and then there's Fantastic four

[craggy pawn]

Let's see

[finite oracle]

I already rewatched twice

[craggy pawn]

Same

[finite oracle]

I kinda want to watch it again.

[echo kraken]

WoM?

[finite oracle]

Word of mouth

[craggy pawn]

Loved it better the second time and just maybe I might do Superman and Fantastic four back to back

[finite oracle]

Curious about F4 First steps

[craggy pawn]

Yup

[echo kraken]

Oh yeah, I think it’ll be sometime next week when we have a bit of a rise in international, but I’m not sure if they will keep going up or plateau early, basically

[finite oracle]

I just want a fun Galactus and a good aesthetic.

[craggy pawn]

It feels like a very different MCU movie to me

And ya can't wait for Galactus

[echo kraken]

I can’t judge a film by the trailers, but Disney pushes the film WAY harder than WB is pushing Superman.

[finite oracle]

I agree.

[echo kraken]

But Superman’s cast and crew, as well as Gunn himself is doing way more junket

[finite oracle]

I would’ve liked just seeing Silver doing an announcement and that’s it. Small teaser like Avatar Way of Water.

[echo kraken]

They are banking on word of mouth to help Superman ride through the initial volley from F4. I can’t gauge without seeing the film.

If the film is halfway decent, then the sustained box office of F4 will hurt Superman a lot. But honestly? I don’t have super amount of faith in Matt Shakman yet.

[gritty tundra]

I honestly really want wait to see death of superman

The way James Gunn is, it's gonna be so cinema

I would already be sad if he dies the next movie

[echo kraken]

I want to see Death of Superman, but that’ll be at least a decade from now bwahaha

Doing Death of Superman immediately as the second film, was one of the biggest complaint for me for Snyderverse honestly

[echo kraken]

I was so happy they released all the monkeys too

[gritty tundra]

Agreed, have to let him cook first

[gritty tundra]

Wait is this actually?

[golden frost]

This is second the funniest thing I’ve seen today

But it’s also kinda petty

[golden frost]

Should’ve done a standalone MoS sequel first

[sharp hearth]

I liked the way it was done in a vacuum, but yeah it was definitely too early

[craggy pawn]

Gunn has also said the deaths in DCU will be permanent, so i doubt that is gonna happen for a very long time

Also the whole death of storyline was done really well in the animated movies

[craggy pawn]

I didn't realize that Batman begins only made 375 million dollars worldwide with a 150 million dollars budget at a time when DC brand was totally tarnished esp after that horrible 1997 Batman and Robin movie. The thing going for Batman begins was that like Superman, it was received very well critically.

It's not the exact same situation of course for Superman but one thing common is DC brand being tarnished and so, Superman is doing pretty well even if it makes just 500 million dollars worldwide.

[echo kraken]

Superman came back well in the comics, so…

[echo kraken]

$7? lol

[craggy pawn]

This is a movie though.. different than in comics and Gunn has said he doesn't want to cheapen the deaths and make it meaningless

[echo kraken]

We’ll see, plenty of fuel in the property and the actors are still young

[craggy pawn]

True

[echo kraken]

Give it a decade and we’ll see where it goes

[craggy pawn]

I agree

[golden frost]

Imagine a Batman movie so bad the director and actor apologize for making it

[craggy pawn]

Yup

Don't know what they were even thinking at that point..

[golden frost]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-im-lovin-it-logo-commercial-fast-food-gif-16339059310488405672

[gritty tundra]

But superman death wouldnt be permanent if it follows the comic...

It would make me choke myself to death frfr

Maybe he'll come back yearssss later after death

[unreal widget]

I kinda would also like James to stop responding to random tweets, he doesn't need to, the proof is in his work.

[light sierra]

Do you think Superman will make it to 500+ Million guys? In my country seems dropping hard.

[gritty tundra]

No

[gritty tundra]

I believe it will.... I have to have hope!

[unreal widget]

I really hope so but in a world where furiosa flopped?

[golden frost]

Yeah

It’s doing fine

[unreal widget]

The thing is repeated viewings are less attractive for a lot of the audience, given the ticket prices. I have to pay min 16 € for a regular 2D, so in a financial climate like this it's hard

[visual adder]

guys superman was good

[fallen solar]

yes

[wind adder]

It should at least make that much. Regardless the movie will underperform WW.

[unreal widget]

it was superman

[golden frost]

Why would it underperform WW

[echo kraken]

"Red, Blue, and the American Way" was Superman's motto for a long time.. so what he symbolizes isn't going to hit very well outside of USA in general this year.. it was just a bit of a luck of the draw honestly.

I'm confident we'll see a lift Internationally though... but it will "underperform" as in, under 250mil WHOLE RUN Internationally... which is not World Wide... Word Wide includes USA+Canada "Domestic" market

So far, as far as openings Internationally, it's rather small and hasn't fully rolled out yet. China hasn't posted the official numbers yet due to a random confusion causing the film being pulled out of theaters on Friday on some theaters, though it is back now...
India had a whole backlash for the ending kiss being cut short by 8 seconds by the sensor board for being "overly sensual", but I don't know why the numbers aren't in yet.
A lot of countries that also apparently released on July 11th also still hasn't posted their numbers yet, I don't know why... I could find out, but too lazy right now.

On the raw data side, a lot of info are missing, and again, I don't know why. A lot of countries are posting 0s or just have the box office take.
Which is why I suspect that BoxOfficeMojo didn't post them... something doesn't make sense on the International side of the film.

There's literally no way a test market like Taiwan would be posting 0s since premiering 1 day earlier (2 days if you count timezones) under normal situations.
It's typically THE country to check ratios and matrices for domestic markets... often premiering up to 2 weeks ahead of Domestic.

[wind adder]

Yeah internationally, this movie has done badly so far.

[echo kraken]

Absolutely, but there's a lot of errors in the official reporting for international that something is either HORRIBLY wrong, or someone is hiding something....
China's internal reporting was 257million Yuan, that's around $35mil... but Numbers lists 6.6mil, and BoxOfficeMojo doesn't even have China numbers, for instance.

[wind adder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/hTYpxM6Vtx

It’s completely dead in China

Europe is a mixed bag

Heard it’s also not doing that well in Latin America, where Superman is a very popular character from what I’ve heard.

[echo kraken]

Last time I saw something like that was when Django Unchained got rush pulled when the censor board accidentally missed dude's full frontal nudity and the film had to be pulled for a week while they re-edit.

[austere stream]

How does one miss that

[wind adder]

I think Spider-Man 4 and Avengers: Doomsday will be the only superhero movies that will do well in China.

[golden frost]

Isn’t China a big movie market tho?

[echo kraken]

The problem is LOCAL reporting from Taiwan was "over 40mil NT" on opening day, which is about 1.3mil US.
LOCAL reporting for China is 2.2bil yuan for 5 days cum, that's 30mil US.

It's not doing WELL, but something is wrong with the data

[wind adder]

Lol it fell short of the predicted 40 crore here.

[echo kraken]

Yeah it's about 45% of prediction in Taiwan, and 12% of prediction in China.
65% in India sounds about right.

[wind adder]

I think CBMs in general are facing issues overseas

https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/x8hn3nJnyV

Something like the Thunderbolts would’ve earned a lot more during the peak of MCU.

[echo kraken]

Have to go to local reportings, because the normal matrices are not great

[echo kraken]

Yeah confidence is low... at least Superman is a NEW thing... we'll see.. if FF was an apology letter, and was handled well... it might have a chance... but right now it ain't looking too great.

China doesn't count right now, it's a strange and locked down market.

[wind adder]

There’s a chance The Odyssey will end up being the highest grosser next year.

[echo kraken]

Ineptitude?

[golden frost]

Fantastic Four FS might not do well either box office wise regardless of reception

[wind adder]

Superhero fatigue is real

[golden frost]

Not superhero fatigue