📺The Penguin

[trail elk]

Boss of his own crew but overboss of all the small gangs

[mossy knoll]

2 eps left now

Cant wait

[trail elk]

Like a medieval pre battle speech

[agile crow]

Batman still not being involved is crazy.

This is the biggest shit going around in the city.

[trail elk]

Not yet

Season's gonna end with some shit going too far, that's when it ends and Batman comes in

[agile crow]

The Falcone massacre should’ve already alerted him.

[trail elk]

Its good that they keep Batman out cause if he were in the show it'd become a Batman show instead of Penguin, like you cant really have a crime thriller with some deus ex ninja running around

[mossy knoll]

So far, The Penguin has been amazing. I have a few minor complaints but if it sticks the last 2 eps, its gonna be one of the best shows of 2024 for me

[agile crow]

He doesn’t have to appear

[trail elk]

Yeah its like TDK where they managed to make a good stand alone show inspired by comics

[agile crow]

At least he should be doing stuff off screen

[twin pivot]

I seriously doubt that

[mossy knoll]

I am sure that will be explained in the movie

[trail elk]

Imagine final ep Sofia just starts shapeshifting outta fucking nowhere lmao, "So what are you, some kinda... Clayface?"

[mossy knoll]

A little exposition dialogue will clue you in probably

[twin pivot]

Listening to official podcast, it has only been 10 days since end of last episode and the current one

[mossy knoll]

I mean I know Sofia is Bane so, can't wait to see her fuck up Batman

[trail elk]

Oh I gotta listen to the pod too yeah

[twin pivot]

Ah.. Don is talking about Eve, Oz's partner ...not Sofia

[trail elk]

The director's input in the pod is always awesome... less so the producers but its whatever

[twin pivot]

Also we know there will be no supernatural stuff in Reeves Batman universe

[trail elk]

Thing about the actors I love in the pod is that their voices are totally unrecognizable

[twin pivot]

The most important person is the showrunner in TV shows

[trail elk]

I was like "Wait that's Sofia's actress talking"

[agile crow]

One thing I can respect about Oz is his ambition. Very relatable stuff.

[twin pivot]

I do hope Sofia survives this season and we will see her in future Batman movies.. not a huge role but a background one

[trail elk]

Yeah but for logistical and industrial reasons I feel like, the vibe I got was that the producers, Laura especially isn't good at articulating what she means. She wrote the entire Sofia backstory so she's got talent, but in the podcast she sounded like she had no idea what the fuck was happening

[agile crow]

I don’t see her survive

[mossy knoll]

Sofia is such a far cry from her role in How I Met Your Mother, she was lovely and wholesome in there while she's killing around people here. Goes to show her range, she does both of them perfectly

[twin pivot]

If you mean Lauren Lafranc then she's the showrunner not the producer

[trail elk]

Maybe, she can be a seasonal villain or a background Batman one

[trail elk]

Didnt know those were different 💀

[agile crow]

If Sofia does kill Francis, then Oz is out for blood. He will probably do worse than what he did to the Maronis.

[twin pivot]

I think she might but let's see

[twin pivot]

Showrunners are basically creators of a TV show who have a overall vision of the show, often times they also select various directors to direct a TV episode..

Producers are people who find money for the show or pitch a idea to a studio among others..

[agile crow]

She does survive after Long Halloween and ends up being the main antagonist of Dark Victory, where she fakes being in the wheelchair.

[twin pivot]

I mean she has a crowbar which I believe is definitely gonna be used

[trail elk]

Lmao

"The crowbar, a subtle hint at malicious intent"

[twin pivot]

Ya

[mossy knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/jason-statham-crow-bar-flip-crow-bar-twirl-blitz-tom-brant-gif-24835960

[agile crow]

She’s also one of the producers.

[twin pivot]

Makes sense

[agile crow]

Showrunners usually tend to do both.

[twin pivot]

Ya but there are other producers as well

[trail elk]

Oh yeah Sofia, thing I love bout her character is how she looks different each ep, like hairstyle and clothes

Really cool

[twin pivot]

Matt reeves is one of the producers too of this show

[mossy knoll]

Yeah, she's sporting a short haircut this ep

[trail elk]

Her black coat and silver earrings were fly af this ep

[twin pivot]

Ya and she's a interesting character.. in the pod they talk about how Eve talked about Sofia not being the hangman (like her father) and that probably saved her life

[trail elk]

Was a tiny bit wack she was goin round town alone tho

Instead of having a small entourage of goons

[twin pivot]

I mean they probably were hidden

[trail elk]

I was rather confident start of the season

That Oz's mom would get killed by Sofia

But after this ep not too sure

Like from a directional PoV, they ended it with a cliff hanger

Which typically don't follow through

[twin pivot]

Next episode is gonna be insane.. if you have seen the preview

[trail elk]

Nahhh

Aint seeing it

Wanna go in next ep virgin eyes

[agile crow]

Next episode will cover Penguin’s backstory.

[twin pivot]

Possibly

[trail elk]

Im so ready to see Oz obliterate the Falcone-Maronis

Fuuuuuck yo wife n kid, Sal, you go join em

[agile crow]

Gigantes*

[trail elk]

Oz called her Falcone cause he knows she doesnt like it

We stan

[agile crow]

Nah that was absolutely fucked up. Maronis are more honourable gangsters.

He backstabbed them before too, which Sal mentioned in the prison.

[trail elk]

You have a romantic view of gangsters man, honorable doesnt mean theyre good people

[agile crow]

I never said they’re good people.

[trail elk]

Like theyre honorable but that doesnt mean theyre actually honorable lol

Yeah but like, idk- being honorable is just so far in that "they dont eat their own" got a family unit

But theyd still do anything anyone else does

Like Nadia was planning to get her son and kill Oz anyway

It was either him or them, and he knew it

[agile crow]

Because Oz betrayed them

[trail elk]

Nope

[agile crow]

He didn’t have to sadistically burn them.

[agile crow]

Yes he did

[trail elk]

Only reason they didnt kill wanna kill him is cause they thought he'd be useful

For the bliss business

Among other things

And having an inside man with the Falcone

Like yeah they wanted to kill him cause he lied and kidnapped the son but

Ok whatever im not energetic enough

Point is you cant be honorable and a gangster at the same time, thats just not how it works lol

[agile crow]

I think you have a black and white view of the world.

[trail elk]

Youre the one giving that vibe

[agile crow]

No. There are even IRL mobsters who were pretty much grey.

Like Frank Costello.

[trail elk]

Not really

[agile crow]

Who Vito Corleone was based on

[trail elk]

Thats like saying Hitler was grey cause he liked dogs

Lol

[agile crow]

Comparing Costello with Hitler is crazy

[trail elk]

Like bad men or whatever are still people so theyll always have amicable things about them

But that isnt to say that their line of occupation allows for it

[agile crow]

You’re a Mongolian. Do you think Genghis Khan was pure evil?

[trail elk]

How bout we dont bring up peoples' ethnicities as an argument

[agile crow]

No. Not all gangsters are evil

There are gangsters who are more decent than a cop for example

[trail elk]

Thats just childish

I mean yeah cops can be worse than criminals

Thats nothing new

[agile crow]

I’m not bringing your ethnicity. I’m just asking you a question.

[trail elk]

Ok donnie

[agile crow]

The issue is you think all people who engage in crime have to necessarily be like Hitler or any evil person.

[trail elk]

Idk man youre giving off this highschooler vibe to it all, you can watch more documenteries or other crime flicks like scorssese if you find it more digestable

The godfather thing is a good movie, but thats just what it is a movie

Its not remotely the same as reality

[agile crow]

Forgot about movies. I’m talking about IRL

[trail elk]

Vito Corleone kind of gangsters cant exist

Cause the way it works just doesnt allow those kind of men to climb ranks

[agile crow]

They literally did. I gave you Frank Costello as an example.

Vito Corleone was based on Costello.

[trail elk]

No im saying if youre in an industry that exists outside public supervision and your revenue source is extortion, human trafficking etc.

[agile crow]

Frank Costello didn’t like using violence at all for example. It was more of a secondary option.

[trail elk]

I like Oz cause I think he's cool but im not sayign he's beyond barbecequing a mother and son alive and shooting a guy point blank, I like Sal cause he gives off the old samurai vibe but he isnt beyond brutally murdering an old woman either

[mossy knoll]

Yeah, her outfits are great. That golden dress was just perfection lol

[agile crow]

Many Gangsters are just like monarchs or emperors

They have good and bad in them

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/king-kohli-punch-punched-shut-shut-up-gif-4076284953025468280

[mossy knoll]

Monke

[agile crow]

Next episode will be crazy https://youtu.be/KjxtRfaQ2AI?si=pQSUkcxh7XgM2cJ2

[trail elk]

@errant vault Shit I got some ideas with League of Shadows I wanted to bounce off you

[agile crow]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-sigh-hays-eye-roll-gif-15245735

[errant vault]

ait

just got done w the full episode

[errant vault]

hey woddup dude was at work earlier

lay it on me

[trail elk]

Shit were hours ago hype died down a bit lol

But yeah one sec

[errant vault]

i dont think vic will die

francis is more likely

since this episode had vic graduating into a real gangaster w him killing squid and the scene w oz explaining how it gets easier

so doubt theill just end him after that

btw eves scene w sofia was a perfect inversion of ozs killing of alberto

hell their even sitting in the same chairs

[trail elk]

Whose that

[errant vault]

ozs mom

[trail elk]

Oh shut

Yeah

Btw the crowbar ending, and how oz found vic trynna steal his wheels

Is the same origin as red hood robin

They could adopt that into the Zaaz origin if they wanted

[errant vault]

theres a scene in the trailers

that makes me doubt vic dies

also it might have spoiled how the next ep goes but ehhhhhhhh

[trail elk]

It’s chill yeah

Ok but yeah with the League shit woulda been kinda cool if like

In Nolan they were just dressed as generic ass goons we see in every movie

If they made em each more stylized like Mortal combats scorpion kinda cool would be dope

[errant vault]

btw

[trail elk]

But have each one unique, like they’re all sporting a unique animal look; the movie goes in and peppered with flashbacks to Batman back in his training days; when they’re all initiated or complete training or swear their oath or whatever, Ras asks them to decide an angel (spirit animal) and when it’s Bruce’s turn we got ominous music as he remembers that time he fell into the bat cave, and without saying it like visual story telling he picks a bat

So in the movie when he’s going up against other shadows, they all got like a unique vibe to them

Like you can hire a contortionist for The Serpent

The Mantis uses duel daggers

Shit like that

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-wade-wilson-francis-ajax-deadpool-1-gif-14625577003092204202

Maybe the wolf is like super aggressive and confrontational

And mid fight worth Batman

He roars “We were brothers!” And Batman snarls back “We were(past tense)” or solemnly whispers “I know…” some shit like that

So we have the aggressive one as the wolf, sly one as the serpent, etc. and the traitor, the bat

[mossy knoll]

Interesting tidbit I found, the actor of Vic, Rhenzy Feliz was also a lead in a marvel show

Runaways

[trail elk]

helluva glow up lol

[errant vault]

shark

u cook

tho i think thatd fit the terrible trio more

since they literally had that typa origin the cartoon

[trail elk]

got no idea what that is but we stan

[errant vault]

a trio of animal themed villains that batman fought

vulture, fox, shark

[trail elk]

meanwhile croc

[errant vault]

they trained w bruce and got expelled for being evil and shit

in the animated series they were just a trio of rich pricks

[trail elk]

thats some goofy ass fit they got

[errant vault]

yea they aint exactly top tier bat villains

[errant vault]

idk why ras would pick an animal tho

[trail elk]

he already isssss

cause like

Demon's Head idk

[errant vault]

since his name literally means the head of the demon, so the league would probs just be demon themed

[trail elk]

So you got animals, and he's the Demon

Yeah

Ok well demon masks work too

But I wanted to see em as ninjas n shit

Anyway new ep was good but

Cause of cliffhanger

[errant vault]

thatd fit

[trail elk]

Def one of the weaker ones for me

[errant vault]

honestly i hope the talons are just the courts batmen

like high tech gear and sick masks

where the league are more like traditional ninjas

[trail elk]

yeah

[errant vault]

i think this ep was one of my favs

[trail elk]

but i dont think

u can have them both

in the same trilogy

or show

u cant*

[errant vault]

o yee

dude

i found this batman 2004 style opening for the reeves verse

[trail elk]

league, owls, joker uh, yeah thats about it- u can only have 1 of em

since theyre all like endgame threats

[trail elk]

send it

[errant vault]

https://youtu.be/L0ZXEvLzGPc?t=31

[trail elk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBatmanFilm/comments/1ge79ig/why_does_it_seem_like_everyone_is_denying_or/

[errant vault]

yea i think hush is like top 2 most likely part 2 villains

[trail elk]

ohhhh that batman show

i thought u meant the original

[mossy knoll]

Haha, yeah his character is like his counterpart in the comics

Also, damn he is 27. I genuinely thought he is like in his early 20s

Cristin Miloti is 39, she looks early 30s to me haha

[trail elk]

yeah goes for most actors playing lotta kids

like spider man's tom holland is a grown ass man and it still feels wack to me

[trail elk]

yknow

thats the same age as Christian Bale's Patrick Bateman from American Psycho

[errant vault]

btw

sorta nuts that the events of the batman and the penguin take place in the span of the same month

also

most of the events in this episode took place over the span of one day lol

w sofia and sal breaking in to ozs apartment to the end w sofia kidnapping vic and francis

[trail elk]

the entire breaking bad series was like over a single yr

[errant vault]

yea but like

i remember when don was surprised that the timespan from batman part 1 and 2 is like a month

since we know part 2 will pick up a week after the penguin ends

[trail elk]

sofia gets out of prison after all these years

and immediately decides to fuck shit uo

[errant vault]

bruh honestly the current events be making me wonder wtf is batman doing

like early on it made sense since the events mostly happened behind closed doors but like

bruh the falcones got erased and sal maroni escaped from prisoner

and a new drugs on the rise

i thought bro was in crown point dealing w shit but bruh

[trail elk]

i mean its the same shit in every batman, things are always spiraling outta control lol

freeze trynna turn gotham into a snowglobe while killer croc out there eating kids, meantime penguins having a street war with black mask

[mossy knoll]

2 years but yes

Matt Reeves said The Penguin takes place withing 5-6 weeks

[errant vault]

bro imagine bruce jus chillin on a rooftop in crown point and seeing oz chilling w his mom

and he thinks

[trail elk]

i mean i can see it

[errant vault]

"would you look at that, the penguin turned a new leaf huh. Ig theres hope for all of us :>"

and then just leaves

[trail elk]

we saw from first movie

he spends his time beating up squid level criminals

and lets the crimelords do their thing

lol

[errant vault]

ik but like

youd thing hed snoop into this shit

like a whole crime family died and a crime lord escaped from prison

[trail elk]

would been fucking hilarious if in middle of the gang war, batman shows up and starts assaulting squid of all people then leaves

[errant vault]

bruh imagine if bat just jumped squid while hes with victor

cuz he thinks squid was assaulting vic

[trail elk]

"Heyyy what's your name? Watchu up to kiddo?"
"I'm uh Vic Aguilar, gonna go meet my boss hehe"
"Ah Victor Aguilar, what a guy"

[errant vault]

like bros prepping to shoot and turns around to see a 6 foot tall armored ninja furry man giving squid brain damage

[trail elk]

i still got no idea what the fuck squid's plan was

he comes alone

and wants to blackmail an actual gangster

[errant vault]

ig he assumed he could muscle his way into the operation

squid was a big fish in a small pond and thought he could go swim w the sharks

[trail elk]

yeah that was stupid like ur not that guy man, but then he brought up the blackmail and i was like hm ok maybe
but then he wants to go in person alone like he's just gonna shoot u lmao

[errant vault]

bro squid was dead the second he threw the money at vic

[trail elk]

like we know Oz isn't exactly a big dog in the rackets

but he's still in an entirely different dimension to squid lol

[errant vault]

i love how the criminals are doing their own parts rn

oz is slowly taking over the gangs meanwhile riddler and joker are cooking up plans to fuck over batman in arkham

also this episode made me change my mind on julian possibly being scarecrow

i just cant see scarecrow submitting to a dom lol

[trail elk]

i was wondering what in the hell he was gonna do to help

i wanna join u sofia, dude ur a fucking retired nurse what u gonna do to help a crime family

oh their sentient dildo, ok

[errant vault]

ig bros gonna help sofia torture oz?

bros unironicaly sofias side hoe

btw someone pointed out that vic is likely to die since they did a death in the family reference w the crowbar

but to that i argue that they also did a killing joke reference w sofia going to talk w eve

[trail elk]

oh man

howd u feel bout that

eve selling out oz

for nothing

i was like ok sofia's gonna torture or threaten it outta here

oh wait no sofia's leavin ok

tells her anyway

like bitch what u do that 4 😭

[errant vault]

i think she just felt betrayed that oz lied to her abt sofia being the hangman

and helping the real hangman thats been killing her girls

btw dude did you notice that during the breakfast scene at the apartment

francis calls oz rex

[trail elk]

Did she know about the mom

[trail elk]

Nope, but we’ll see

Who Rex is, either the guy he planted the knife on

[errant vault]

probably not

[trail elk]

Or someone else important

[errant vault]

the gangster oz idolizes

rex calabrese

[trail elk]

Yeah but

Wasn’t that the same name

Was Sofia’s bodyguard

[errant vault]

nah i dont think so

[trail elk]

I remember him as Rex, so was confused when Oz talked about a Rex when he was burning the car

I’m gonna assume that Rex Calabrese was the same gangster Oz was talking about with Alberto

[errant vault]

castillo was the henchmans name

rex calabrese was the gangster that oz idolized as a kid

[trail elk]

Oh ok

Right

[errant vault]

so i think they implied that rex was also ozs dad this episode

maybe he was an abusive prick behind closed doors and a beloved nice guy on the streets

o nvmmmmm

ye nvm nvm rex wasnt ozs dad

francis had a episode when they were eating and argued w oz cuz she thought he was her husband

and she said that shed go to rex to get the heat back on

o btw someone pointed out that at the start

[glossy lava]

Probably sodomize Victor with it

[errant vault]

when sofia dosent even like her own name as a insult

[glossy lava]

Mommas about to get TORTURED

[errant vault]

its sorta ironic since oz hates his nickname

dude i think they are gonna electro shock ozs mom as payback for how sofia was electro shocked in arkham

and we might get scenes of her w her kids before she becomes braindead from it

also i think that they are gonna torture vic aswell tho that will probably just drive him insane

considering he just killed a guy, got told its alright by his father figure and is now getting tortured by sofia

[glossy lava]

how did his brothers die

they're milking the fuck out of that mystery and I hope they tell us

[errant vault]

Next episode will be a flashback ep

o btw

heavy spoilers pointed outt hat since sal is out

after the shows done they could have the dent show focus on harveys involvement sals trial if he gets arrested again in the show

since sal was the guy that threw acid at dent which caused him to become two face

[trail elk]

Yo that would be so fucking insane

Yeah they torture the poor old woman until she’s in a vegetative state

And Oz puts her down in a sick poetic way of keeping his promise that should she ever turn out like that he’d euthanize her

That would make me sick to my stomach like Negan’s intro or Oberyn’s death

Do it

[errant vault]

i mean it would fit the reports that the series gets more fucked up over time

my favorite episodes so far:
5
6
3
4
1
2

[solid arrow]

Yea now that was my standout scene, it didn’t go really at all how I expected it but I’m glad because it was a really good scene and I loved what it did for both characters. The initial outcome of how that scene was gonna play out felt predetermined from the start but the way scene was written and preformed made it work so much better that way. Sophia probably had her mind made up that she was gonna kill Eve and Eve probably figured she was gonna die but they both played the situation perfectly and Sophia realized it didn’t need to end that way. Sophia got a peak into what Eves life is like and got to be the bigger person and prove she’s better than what’s she’s portrayed be. Eve bared it all to Sophia, faced her fear head on, got clarity on her situation with Oz and the part she played in it all.

When you living in the slums and that fast money starts running slow and drying up, seeing people eat where you’re supposed to be eating can start to make you desperate irrational.

[trail elk]

The way he spoke and acted with Vic made him just come off not that bright

Low level street thug

Like what the other guy said, big fish in a little pond who thought he could swim with sharks

But your scene with Eve x Sofia, my thoughts that exactly

I was pleasantly surprised how Sofia spared Eve, but in a creative way that didn't feel contrived

Cause at first you imagine she'd kill her, which would be ok albeit generic, sparing her would have been contrived, but they managed to pull it off in a really neat way

Where Sofia's motives for her decisions made perfect sense for her character

[agile holly]

DAMN

SHE FREAKY

[agile crow]

Just read a theory that Rex is Oz’s father. The way his mom keeps mentioning him.

I hope that isn’t the case

Rex was probably more like a father figure to Oz and his actual father might’ve been an abusive man who dumped the family.

Also, crazy if this actually happens.

[errant vault]

Bruh imagine sal just losing his marbles while sofia just wide eyed staring

"Holy fuck the lunatic did it, SOFIA YOU SAID HE CARED FOR HER WTF IS THIS SOFIA"

[halcyon ember]

if sofia fucking dares...

IF SOFIA FUCKING DARES...

(it's a canon event to almost every Penguin iteration, i'm delusional)

[trail elk]

its gonna be a "hi im negan" scene

😭

[errant vault]

Bro

Idk wtf is oz gonna do to make me dislike him in ep 8

Mans abt to watch his mom get tortured and be forced to kill her

[halcyon ember]

Idk what that is 😭

[agile crow]

Kingpin( Daredevil TV series) vs Carmine Falcone(Reevesverse). Who is the more powerful Don?

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/cbmoviefan/status/1851355979050279408?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[errant vault]

Kingpin

[trail elk]

Just saw the Joker 2 movie

It really did kinda suck lowkey, but you saw how it coulda been amazing

Anyway aside from it sucking, it ironically ties in perfectly with Reeves Batman

Major Spoilers for the movie, like ultra spoiler:
|| In the end, Phoenix's Joker gets shanked and dies, the killer is some rando kid who starts dying maniacally and then in background you see him slicing his face- timeline and actor wise, you can write it off as the kid is the new Joker we see in the Reeves universe||

[errant vault]

That would make no sense timeline wise tho

[trail elk]

Idfk that movie was wack

The cinematography, the shots

The acting

All kino

Then the third act

[errant vault]

Joker happened in the 80s

[trail elk]

And it drops like a meteor

[errant vault]

And bruce was a kid

So if that was berry keoghan joker in joker 2 which took place 2 years after joker

[trail elk]

Im just trynna make sense of what I saw, dont dig too deep

😭

[errant vault]

Hed be wayyyy older

[trail elk]

Deep cope rn

[errant vault]

You jus saw shit

[trail elk]

It was all there man

[errant vault]

If this was keoghans joker id fuckin cry lol

[trail elk]

|| If he just stayed as Joker, made an asylum riot and blew up courthouse and ride off into sunset||

|| "Arthur gets The Joker raped out of him" who the fuck came up with this shit ||

[errant vault]

||Imagine if the movie was abt arthur escaping arkham w the help of harley and a new guy he took under his wing||

||And the movie is the joker personal slowly returning as arthur is cut off from his meds as he causes chaos in the city||

[trail elk]

Who knows

The musical part too

[errant vault]

Its a musical romance court room drama

[trail elk]

You saw glimpses where Joaqin and Gaga could use their actual singing voices, as opposed to the amateur poor singing voices in most the movie

Woulda been nice if we saw their songs gradually go from beginner

And get better each song as movie goes on

And then the end we see them singing with their grammy level singing

[errant vault]

The penguin saving wb rn

[trail elk]

I wanna saw tho

I liked this Arkham

Reeves too

The 80s level low tech just for me feels like a good Gotham

Joker's 80s Gotham with Reeves vibe would be my sweet spot

[errant vault]

Well philips shat the bed

Now that universe is done

[summer cypress]

https://x.com/johndilillo/status/1851361551992648129?s=46&t=jbWEhX6nNwSsqeey-WftlA

John DiLillo (@JohnDiLillo) on X

I'm enjoying the penguin and this is not a real criticism but I do think it's funny how all these gangsters doing crimes aren't constantly looking over their shoulder in case batman is coming to beat them up

Twitter · Oct 29, 2024, 8:32 PM

ngl this my only gripe with the show. it’s almost like batman doesn’t exist despite him terrorizing all bad guys and penguin nearly dying to him

[summer cypress]

I liked the serious parts, then the music would come on

[trail elk]

I liked it being musical

In theory

[summer cypress]

I like musical movies too but this movie had no business being one. Felt like it didn’t work and was forced most of the time.

[trail elk]

But it being like a dream sequence n shit

Was kind of lame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1-sUfrcEBQ

If he did this shit but it was real

[summer cypress]

It also felt like it wanted to be a musical but didn’t at the same time.

[trail elk]

Idk

Yeah

The director also seemed like

[summer cypress]

idk didn’t work for me but it’s whatever I didn’t hate it as much as everyone else did

[trail elk]

He didnt want them making actual good music, like Gaga obviously can sing a gorillion times better

And in the first GagaxJoker you saw how Phoenix could sing really well, for just like 1 or 2 lines lol

He sounded like Frank Sinatra

But they just had to make em sing like amateurs whispering

Which is fine at first but slowly make em sing better

[summer cypress]

yea

could’ve been a good movie

wasted gaga and joaquin phoenix

[trail elk]

|| The whole movie felt like it was him slowly bout to fall off the edge and turn into Joker for real fulltime, but then it all just stopped cause he got raped; like what the fuck Todd||

3:20 to 3:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyD2SS89g64&t

Those 20 seconds, so good; could see Joker as this like cultural phenomena, cult leader, head of a movement idfk

But nah lets just throw it all out, thanks Todd- real oscar shit right there

[agile crow]

It being a musical was the worst part about it.

[summer cypress]

favorite scene in the whole movie

[agile crow]

Also, Arthur should’ve embraced being the Joker after getting SA’d and losing his friend. That Harley scene would’ve been better if he actually killed her when she dumped him.

[summer cypress]

If only it could’ve been a serious courtroom drama

[trail elk]

Yeah that ends bombastic

We had the liveshow drama in the first one

Then we get a courtroom one here

With some pseudo grimdark Shawshank Redemption B plot going on in Arkham

[agile crow]

I found the scene where he tells Lee to stfu kinda hilarious💀.

She should’ve stopped singing lmfao

It was annoying

[agile crow]

I’m curious about the untitled Batman saga series. https://x.com/culturecrave/status/1851381360742846557?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

Culture Crave 🎃 (@CultureCrave) on X

Upcoming DC projects reportedly in development 💥

Twitter · Oct 29, 2024, 9:51 PM

[mossy knoll]

Didnt the JJ Abrams Superman movie get canned?

Also what the hell is a Jurassic League lol

[agile crow]

Would be great if this is the intro to the Batman 2.

[errant vault]

justice league made out of dinosaurs

[errant vault]

yo i just saw a theory saying that julian is the mad hatter

proof? the trailer has a kettle boiling water and the next episode is called top hat

which yea penguin wears a top hat but so does the mad hatter

[dark juniper]

There’s no top hats in Ep7

Soz

[marsh night]

SPOILERS

[dark juniper]

Thought I’d rip off the bandaid innit

[errant vault]

GODDAMN IT RUBY

I TRUSTED U

[agile crow]

Is Ep 7 the best episode?

[errant vault]

"damn oz.... i- i-m i- im no- im not sure i can go through with that. Im sorry"

victor 20 minutes later after finding out its either "him or them"

https://tenor.com/view/fat-guy-shooting-gun-gun-shot-gif-15114243

[agile crow]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-sigh-hays-eye-roll-gif-15245735

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/dcudarkknight/status/1852666819624005807?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-sigh-hays-eye-roll-gif-15245735

[cedar prairie]

Agreed

[agile crow]

Looks like my prediction came true. ||Oz was responsible for his brothers’ deaths.||

[glossy lava]

Awesome episode loved his backstory

He’s such a fucking asshole 🤣

Little bro killed his brothers just so he could have his moms love all to himself

The scene where he’s watching the black and white video is gold fantastic juxtaposition

[summer cypress]

there's way too much happening in gotham for batman being no where to be found. notorious mafia family all die by gas, bliss being distributed in all parts of gotham, and now an explosion in crown point.. WHERE IS BATMAN

in my head canon he's just resting after the riddler blasted him in the torso with a shotgun point blank and helping with rescue efforts but its been way too long 😂

[summer cypress]

I had that feeling too. Seem like anytime they were mentioned he got irritated.

[twin pivot]

Fantastic 7th episode. So Oz did kill his brothers and never told his Mom about it and so for Francis, her two children went to someplace and never came back. Btw the actress who played Young Francis did a really good job.

Sal is dead and ya Sofia is thinking out of the box, sending that car bomb, she knew it was a trap. Don't know where Vic is, i guess gathering an army.

Final is already here and I get people saying Where's Batman but I feel like we don't need Batman, the show is about Penguin and this is gangland warfare that's happening.. Why would Batman intervene when two gangs are fighting each other??

[twin pivot]

Batman I believe is doing work behind the scenes but he doesn't need to be directly involved or show up in the show. Reeves himself said that they couldn't find a part for Batman in this show as that would cause a total distraction and I agree.

[trail elk]

Yeah the moment Batman shows up it wouldn't be a Penguin show anymore, though we might see a glimpse of him in the finale as the show would have ended by then

As for the episode, crazy. Oz killing his own brothers was low, even for him.

The car bomb really had me on my toes when he was unveiling the coat

Also, same reaction lol

[safe spruce]

Did he intentionally ||kill his brothers?||

[trail elk]

The vibe I got was that he didn't

Not like a 10yr old or whatever was gonna || predict death by rainfall ||

[safe spruce]

Hmm, either way why is he such a sociopath how was he made that way?

Those seemed like great brothers to be honest, especially the older one. He even offered to do to come up after he realized his mistake

[trail elk]

"Impulsive at first, then intentionally left them as he realized what was happening"

[twin pivot]

Ya, I don't think Oz deliberately killed his brothers... he was angry, shut down the door not knowing the rainfall would kill them..

[twin pivot]

Where does it say that?? But I would say he wasn't too grief stricken about his brothers

[trail elk]

I got mad Oedipus-freud vibes from young Oz and his mom lol

[trail elk]

There was a comment on YT that said thats what the BTS said, so take it with a grain of salt

Another one pointed out he was constantly glaring at the rain which was a visual que that he knew what was going on

[twin pivot]

https://youtu.be/l65gELzFkdU?si=fnyidte9Wz-D4tP7

OK I'm watching this now

[trail elk]

And I noticed in that BnW movie they were watching, Oz was paying attention to the tap dance/feet of the guy, elluding to his insecurities

[trail elk]

Appearently Colin Ferral was only on set for a brief time, being the biggest name he had the most scheduling issues- so all the scenes without Oz were shot like months after Colin left

[safe spruce]

yeah, it was weird

[twin pivot]

So ya in inside the episode.. the showrunner says Oz doesn't actively kill his two brothers but he had every opportunity to prevent that from happening and I guess when he was with his mom alone watching a movie he looks back and sees rainfall as well

[trail elk]

The child actor in the BTS giving decent character study lmao

Ok I don't want this to go the wrong way but: I'm a little worried HBO might pull an Alicent Hightower with Sofia, wherein she basically just drops all her villainy and rides off into the sunset cause she wants "freedom" only because she's a woman

The small scene in the episode of her going back instead of sticking to her arc, and also the Lauren Defranc's inputs kind of made me worried

But we'll see I guess

[twin pivot]

I mean that could happen

[trail elk]

The story of an innocent woman who was framed and then turned into the monster that everyone accused them of, is a very sick and tragic backstory. It'd be alot richer and three dimensional if she were to meet a grim end imo.

[twin pivot]

But she wants revenge on Oz as well, so maybe if she killed Oz then she could leave it all behind but I doubt that

[safe spruce]

There wasn't a top hat this episode lol

[trail elk]

"0/10, no top hats, false advertising"

[safe spruce]

exactly!

[twin pivot]

Are we even gonna see Penguin wear a Top Hat?? Certainly not a monocle

[trail elk]

Imagine he pulls out an umbrella gun in the finale lmao

[safe spruce]

That'd be wild 😂

Honestly, I really enjoyed this episode. Think it was a step up from the last couple imo

[trail elk]

The fur coat is a little on the nose, I really didnt mind the leather one he wore. Like that scene when he was sitting over Vic burying the bodies- really fit the character

[summer cypress]

Na, I'm not saying he needs to be a part of the show. But the show takes place in real time so I'm just wondering where's Batman

[safe spruce]

I wanted some batman mentions tbh

[trail elk]

Real wet work, vile, "my job is to get rid of bodies" vibe

[trail elk]

If I recall this all happened in like a couple weeks after the Batman movie iirc

[safe spruce]

Oz building this empire only to realize he's gonna get his shit shut down in a night

[trail elk]

The first few episodes were over like a few days, then the time skip was 10 days

[twin pivot]

The show is about The Penguin not Batman and if Penguin becomes new kingpin of Gotham then Batman will definitely get involved in the second movie

[safe spruce]

If the Batman villians were smart they'd just move to other countries

Or states at least

[trail elk]

I hope there isn't a season 2, the studio might be like "oh hey this makes money, make a god damn other season motherfucker"

[twin pivot]

I hope there is

[trail elk]

Like a Harvey or whatever series after this

[safe spruce]

they'll do other limited series

[trail elk]

Nah Id want Penguin's story to wrap up, and the next season is called "Two Face" or some shit idk

If they milk it or intentionally make up stories because they had to, the writing will necessarily be inferior

[twin pivot]

With new DCU Batman coming.. I don't know if WB will allow many other limited series from the Reeves universe

I would absolutely love a Harvey dent limited series where he descends into madness.. Oz could be new kingpin then

[trail elk]

Eh we'll see about the new Batman, Reeves' Neo-Noir setting for Batman has a special interest for me

Not really too keen on a more campy and bombastic batman

[twin pivot]

I'm keen on both.. I want Batman to interact with other superheroes as well

[safe spruce]

they'll probably do a series for hush or w/e villian he is

[trail elk]

Yeah but I feel like a low stakes, personal stake etc. fits better for Batman- where he's up against serial killers, mobsters etc.

[summer cypress]

Yeah I know but there's just things that's happened that he wouldn't typically ignore based off his actions in the first movie. That's why I mentioned the head canon that he's probably injured/resting.

[trail elk]

When you introduce other heroes with super powers, it gets kind of wild

Like I Batman fighting doomsday in BvS wasnt it

[twin pivot]

Fair but I think he's also just gathering info on what's happening right now and see where it goes. Again two gangs are fighting each other and Batman doesn't think he needs to intervene imo.

[safe spruce]

the animated series shows you can do both

[twin pivot]

Yes plus Batman has fantastical villains too that can't appear in Reeves grounded universe which will happen in DCU

[safe spruce]

I want the batman films to have more personal stakes, him chasing the riddler around and it just being a detective story wasn't that compelling for me personally

[twin pivot]

So Sal died of a heart attack ?

[safe spruce]

yeah, pretty sure

[summer cypress]

I thought it was a stroke

or somethin

[twin pivot]

Don't know what he was.. maybe he wore a pacemaker and the electric stuff interfered with that..

[safe spruce]

it's brought up in the bts, it's from his outburst of emotion. All the rage and anguish

[summer cypress]

tbh I liked that the most

I like how Reeves Batman showed the detective side of Batman something the Nolan films didn't show too much of

[safe spruce]

I think it's dope they want to show the dectective side, I just want more from the movie than that. The nolan movies were more compelling

But there's plenty of Batman material to pull from that's even more compelling

[trail elk]

I thought he burst his liver or something from the stab wound he got earlier, but yeah they said it was a heart attack

[twin pivot]

You don't die suddenly like that from a liver wound

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/idk-shrug-meme-kid-cute-gif-17060857

i thought Oz poked him in his wound and he went "oh my spleen 😩 " and died lol

[summer cypress]

There is. It also seems like not many writers/directors want to take risks in adapting other Batman material. Every Batman live-action adaptation is just Year One or The Long Halloween Batman

[safe spruce]

Yeah, but I wanna remain optimistic

[trail elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itt2YqlSyK8

[agile crow]

Another great episode. It seems like Oz was an evil piece of shit even as a child. Some people say he didn’t want his brothers to die, yet he closed the door when they called out for help, lied to his mother that they went to the movies, and it was hinted from the start that he was jealous of the preferential treatment his mother gave his brothers.

Also Oz playing mind games with Sal lmfao. He already won.

In my opinion, this was the best scene in the episode. Penguin was like Jose Mourinho, the infamous football manager obsessed with winning at any cost and considered a master of the dark art in the sport. He ended Falcones and Maronis.

With the way things are going, I don’t see Sofia kill Francis. It’s gonna be Oz and finally he will be a heartless monster who doesn’t have anything holding him back.

[mossy knoll]

Oz got the mother complex badly

[agile crow]

Yes, Oedipus complex.

[mossy knoll]

Don't know if I would call it Oedipus since that originally revolves around a son killing his father and...yk the rest

[agile crow]

I hope the final episode is at least an hour.

[trail elk]

The psychologist freud came up with a syndrome called that to justify why he wanted to fuck his mom lmao

The savage

[mossy knoll]

I was so uncomfortable with their flashbacks lol

[agile crow]

It’s what the complex is called.

[mossy knoll]

I know that lol

[agile crow]

He’s attracted to his mother

Clearly

[trail elk]

I love the accents the director made em do, over the top jersey accent "aye cowhm heyar ahzwaald"

[trail elk]

Are you an expert in this field?

[mossy knoll]

I am woyking heah

[trail elk]

fawget abowwt iiid

[mossy knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/fig-gif-26092737

[agile crow]

I mean if you read Freud, it’s pretty obvious Oz is suffering from Oedipus Complex.

[mossy knoll]

Instead of his father, its his brothers

[trail elk]

was hopin youd spurg out ngl lol

[mossy knoll]

Also, that Sal Maroni death was funny

Even Oz was shocked

[agile crow]

Also had his brothers killed because he was salty his mom loved them more, I assume.

[mossy knoll]

Bro really wanted the kill

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/no-realization-oh-god-surprised-what-gif-15852396

my god thats genius

[mossy knoll]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/697397283968385058/1072209533696487444/plink.gif

[trail elk]

Oz and I have alot in common we both wanna fuck his mom

[mossy knoll]

Yeah she hot

Anyways, I saw the preview, looks good

[trail elk]

Yeah, kind of surprised with the line up though

The first few eps moved at a decent pace

These last couple things went by quite fast

And there's still quite a bit left to resolve, with only one more ep

[agile crow]

Imagine if Batman wanted Oz to be the boss and he’s doing jackshit💀

Both Falcones and Maronis are gone

[trail elk]

I love Lauren LeFranc's absolute barbarism writing gendered characters:

Sofia(Female):
-Hot
-Misunderstood
-Badass
-Girlboss

Oz(Male):
-Fat
-Ugly
-Crippled
-Wants to fuck his mom
-Fratricidal
-Fucking bald

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/batsource1/status/1853278614021693501?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[mossy knoll]

Bro at first glance, I thought he was Jason Schwartzmann

[agile crow]

Calabrese doesn’t seem like the person Oz described initially.

Could’ve been another evil mobster like Falcone, but small time.

[trail elk]

I expected Rex to be fat and old, idk why

[trail elk]

As opposed to good mobsters lmao

Never change donnie

[agile crow]

I never said mobsters are good. It’s just that Falcone was a very evil man and not someone nuanced.

[trail elk]

youre right, youre so smart donnie

[agile crow]

You seem to think you are though.

Always loses an argument and never admits his mistake. That’s your issue.

“Muh there is only good and evil in this world.”

[trail elk]

you cant just fail to change ur opinion and say "i won" lol

[agile crow]

yOu CaNt JuSt FaIl To ChAnGe Ur OpInIoN

[trail elk]

real

[agile crow]

You know what I said, but you intentionally misinterpreted my statement lol.

[trail elk]

nope

just pointing out your fallacies

[agile crow]

You did. I never said mobsters are good and no you didn’t point out anything.

[trail elk]

thats what I mean, if youre convinced you cant be wrong, then its always gonna come across like you won

imagine the other dudes coming in and seeing this in chat lmao

love u donnie never change

[agile crow]

Lmfao you’re the wrong one though. “There are only good and evil in this world, just accept it”. You don’t know how the real world works, kid.

[trail elk]

this what i mean donnie

you cant comprehend

cause i never said that u feel

[agile crow]

“You can’t comprehend”
The irony when you misinterpreted my statement

And now you’re backtracking

[trail elk]

Nah man, youre just idk

Its a dumb argument anyway not really important but like

Vito or whatever, theyre not real people

[agile crow]

Good lord who brought up Vito?

[trail elk]

Asking if a crime lord would be above killing an old woman is a little redundant

[agile crow]

Arguing with a chump like you isn’t important

[trail elk]

You did earlier

Idk was the crux

Idk what to tell you donnie, youre the only guy that gets into arguments consistently lol

Usually always devolves into shit flinging too

[agile crow]

No you’re the one who provokes

It’s not easy to have a decent discussion with people like you

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-am-the-one-who-knocks-gif-15444401

[agile crow]

What’s funny is that you believe gangsters like Vito didn’t exist even though he was based on a real life gangster💀. But you don’t admit your mistake.

[trail elk]

Cause he wasnt

Its a movie

Just cause theyre inspired by them for screen

Doesnt mean thats actually how they were irl

Even in the movie you understand he's someone that kills innocent people for money

Its just he does it in a more dignified way

You can try scorcesse movies which tend to be a bit more accurate, but even then their real counterparts were alot darker

[agile crow]

Thing is he wasn’t just a mere inspiration. I already mentioned Frank Costello, but you never did your research. You think all criminals are very evil and there is no complexity.

[trail elk]

and less glamerous

[trail elk]

no my point is that there is complexity

[agile crow]

I’m not talking about movies. Maybe try reading upon actual gangsters.

[trail elk]

being an "honorable" gangster doesnt mean hes beyondf doing bad things lol

[agile crow]

Mobsters like Vito existed, it’s just that it was uncommon.

[trail elk]

like idk, they can seem nice but ultimately with how dawrinian the "industry" is its not something that facilitates the characters

you wanna describe

[agile crow]

Do you think only the mob world is darwinian?

Just a question

[trail elk]

idk what ur trynna say

im saying the mob world due to what niche they occupy, are particularly darwinian in that they promote cruelty and criminality

[agile crow]

“But ultimately with how darwinian the “industry” is”
Just asking whether you think it’s the only industry that’s darwinian.

[trail elk]

as opposed to other areas cause

they need to appeal to public structures

[agile crow]

You think legal business do not have cruelty and criminality.

[trail elk]

whereas with mobsters its an industry that arises in an area with a lack of oversight, and being financially driven it means it weens out the less lucrative ventures

which includes the inability to retain the source of revenue

this is all to say that you cant really succeed as a gangster if you have lines that you wouldnt cross, cause structurally thats how its designed

and the less oversight there is, the more it perpetuates

atleast in scale

[agile crow]

You wouldn’t succeed in any business, if you don’t cross the line.

[trail elk]

im not saying legal actors are moral as opposed to gangster

[agile crow]

Just telling from my experience as someone who works in business field. It’s a nasty world out there.

[trail elk]

im saying there are variables in everything but gangsters in particular occupy cruelty by design, its like how if youre an engineer

the engineering industries by design ween out those who cant practice math

and gangsters dont exist without being cruel

and youre not going to exist long in that profession if you have some moral principles, much less a hegemon like a boss

like urban mafias in the us were all fundamentally protection rackets, which mean necessarily means they need to approach shopkeepers or managers and intimidate or harass them

even if they have tertiary businesses

like your whole job is to go find some poor guy selling oranges and break his legs, if youre unable to do that youre just not going to be a gangster to begin with

and then it ramps up when you need to compete with rival crews

so if youre already successful in the business of being a gangster, say a boss or capo- it just means you had to have been some guy whose already murdered innocent people, typically in a really theatric and gruesome manner, which then means youre not someone with moral scruples

its not cause "gangsters = evil" its moreso how gangs as an industry are designed

like there isnt a rule that says athletes cant be fat, but just due to how the athletics industry works and what they require of its participants 99% of athletes arent overweight

similarly with gangsters, it just internally promotes those with underlying psychopathy

[agile crow]

And do you admit it’s the same with business in general? https://bigthink.com/leadership/corporate-psychopath-ceo/

[trail elk]

Sure, but business men aren't going around killing people with their bare hands lol

[agile crow]

Business men do hire people to do that.

But not common amongst small scale businessmen

[trail elk]

Miltiary officers, intelligence agencies, more aggressive company management etc. all promote that kind of behavior

[agile crow]

Whereas in big corporates, that’s a different story

[trail elk]

To varying degrees

But gangsters are different in that they explicitly promote it as their primary characteristic

[agile crow]

The thing what’s intimidating about big tycoons is that they don’t have to necessarily have people murdered if they’re crossed. That’s usually the last resort. It’s the manipulation via psychological means.

They’re so powerful, people dare to cross them. Whereas gangsters have to kill in order to be feared. Like you said it’s the primary characteristic in their line of business.

[trail elk]

Were getting too off topic for a fucking "the penguin" channel lol

[agile crow]

It happens

I didn’t mean to go off topic, but I am fascinated by the similarities between legitimate and illegitimate business.

[sly swallow]

oz killed his brothers wtf

[acoustic knoll]

yeah a giant ass explosion is kinda where i begin to go now wondering where da batman is

[acoustic knoll]

eepy bat

[sly swallow]

no way we dont seee batman after this

a whole city block got blown up

we probably wont but man no way he wont have this on his radar

also is there 1 episode or 3 left?

[agile crow]

Do you guys think Mrs. Cobb is aware that Oz was involved in her other sons’ deaths?

[agile crow]

That has been made clear by the showrunner unless she’s messing with us.

No Batman

[sly swallow]

Yeah i know

im just saying theres no way bruce doesnt know whats going on here

[agile crow]

But there should be a hint if he’s involved or not

[sly swallow]

im assuming penguin will be left semi open and will be continued in the movie

[acoustic knoll]

1

[glossy lava]

lol he 100% knew it would kill them

Just watch the after show thing

They make it pretty clear that what he did was intentional I think his little smile when he’s watching TV w mom gives it away he had MULTIPLE opportunities to save them and chose not to

And I don’t buy that lol

If you lock someone in a room with pouring water sure you didn’t actively kill them but you absolutely caused their death

The only thing that pissed me off was how contrived and easy it was for Maroni to have a heart attack but I think Oz getting mega fucked by that bomb sorta puts that concern to rest

[glossy lava]

It would’ve been different if he had a change of heart went back and couldn’t get the door to open but nah he’s an evil little shit there’s no debating it

[agile crow]

Yeah, the Penguin, whether in the comics or in live action currently, isn’t a sympathetic character anymore. I like that they made him a proper villain.

Apparently, the crew on the set of episode 8 were incredibly astounded by his actions in the end.

Gonna be one hell of an episode

[acoustic knoll]

Yeah the heart attack really was just like a, deus ex machina feeling but I do like how they made Oz respond to it being like “let’s fucking go I killed himmmm” mate didn’t do shit, he got lucky, but he’ll never admit that

Reminds me how he reacted like tough shit as Carmine was being arrested and taken away in the film

[agile crow]

Dude is a coward too.

Could’ve yelled, ‘there’s a bomb’, but instead just ran away alone.

[agile crow]

Also Penguin parrots the same “big man” dialogue in this scene. A senior citizen was beating his ass

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-george-costanza-lol-fire-gif-5265183

[errant vault]

ok

just saw it

peak

i dont think oz killed them on purpose

like aint no way dude somehow predicted the rain would flood the sewers or would even know how much water the sewer could take

i think he was jealous of his brothers and probably just wanted one night to be with francis

also in episode 5 we see him come accross the same door and he freezes for a second and looks regretful before carrying on

[glossy lava]

He obviously did lmao

He saw how much it was raining

Lied to his mother about their whereabouts

And actively chose not to save him

Again

It would’ve been different had he tried to open the door and wasn’t able to or something

But he wanted mamas love all to himself

[errant vault]

i do think he regrets it atleast

[glossy lava]

I think he does yeah

[trail elk]

I wonder what Oz does that makes him "irredeemable" or shocking

Kills: Eve, Sofia, Vic, Francis

I can already seeing him doing those lol

Maybe Sofia's niece?

Killing his own brothers was already crossing the line 💀

[errant vault]

this episode was basically just the death nail in oz being likable

bro fr drowned his brothers
shot up a corpse to get bragging rights
abandoned his men to get blown up after going on and on abt how hell treat em better than the falcones and maronis

[trail elk]

idk man

im rooting for him

he's like such a likable little shit

[errant vault]

yea same fuck the allegations

oz is still goated

[trail elk]

he killed his own brothers, what the fuck man lmao
"ah classic oz, what a guy"

[errant vault]

"eh he looked like he felt sorry for a 2 sec shot, shit happens"

[trail elk]

"i killed my two underage brothers so i could fuck my mom:"

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-dean-winchester-oh-you-gif-22671182

[errant vault]

honestly his mom saying hes getting more handsomer with age during the flashback was a fuckin devious comment considering him rn

[trail elk]

imagine if they gave the kid prosthetics "aight kid now just wear this plastic nose"

male pattern baldness at 11 is rough 😭

[errant vault]

god just saw what hed become and decideed to fuck w him a lil

how old is oz btw?

[trail elk]

poor benny, even their mom forgot about him

"where's jack!?!?!"
"what bout little benny"
"oh yeah him too ig"

[trail elk]

idk all over the place ig, the lore kinda got messed up

cause of the original jonah hill casting

oz was meant to be younger, like batman and riddler

[errant vault]

meh oz always fit as older than the rest

[trail elk]

i think Oz is supposed to be like 44

cause its in 2022

and the flashback was like 1988

if he was like idk 10yrs old in '88

he'd be 44 in show

[errant vault]

damn

wait so oz was 34 when he ratted out sofia

[trail elk]

ig

i mean he had full head of hair

then

jonah's penguin woulda been 34-ish if he played him, so like sofia's penguin age

and colin's penguin is a little older

[errant vault]

idm him being older

always saw oz being older than most of batmans villains

[trail elk]

yeah he usually is

i thought the same with joker tbh

[errant vault]

bro imagine if the show ends w oz winning

hes looking over gotham from the newly rebuilt iceberg lounge

and bros enjoying the vibe

and suddenly the bat signal just turns on

and he goes

[trail elk]

idk originally batman was kind of old too, like comics and the original cartoon he was like mid 40s atleast- with riddler and co. being a little younger

freeze, penguin etc. were always about his age maybe

[errant vault]

"ah fu-" end screen

[trail elk]

it was the movies that made him younger like bale and pattinson

but yeah i dont really give a fuck bout the ages too lol

[errant vault]

i always saw bruce starting out as batman in his 20s

[trail elk]

its only some specific ones like Ras, Strange that i cant see a young actor

playing them

[errant vault]

yk

w the final ep coming next month

i think imma go rewatch the movie and episodes during the weekend

along w the riddler comic, to get the full experience

[trail elk]

its next week

🗿

[errant vault]

yea typo

[trail elk]

it can work, prime batman in 20 years when he's mid 40s

colin's penguin would be like mid 60s by then

[errant vault]

crown point blows up killing dozens of people
battinson:

[trail elk]

"hey batman, remember that carmine dude you were chasing relentlessly the whole time? yeah his entire family and empire got gassed to death"

[errant vault]

"hey bruce so uh a crime lord escaped prison and his wife and kid were found burned to death w some apparent drugs missing"

bruce: "drugs, murders, burnings. All on the rise, i go into the night trying to make a difference, im not sure that difference will ever be made. The element, ever evolving awaits me to fall. But i will rise above it, i will save gotham no matter what."

[trail elk]

"a crime lord you say?"
"yknow the maroni dude... the guy you think mighta killed your parents..."

[errant vault]

imagine bruce just hears some real shit has happened

and he just goes into the bat cave to write abt it and then go out to beat the shit outta drop dealers on the other part of the city

honestly i hope part 2 shows wtf batman is doing

like my head canon to save his reputation rn is that hes sleeping

[dark juniper]

Batman ain’t showing up fam

Sorry to say

[errant vault]

do we atleast get a reference to him?

besides the first episodev

[trail elk]

"As you can see Alfred, the explosion was in daytime. I am Batman not Pigeonman."

[errant vault]

i mean to be fair

bruce would not have heard the explosion

and hes probs munching on some berries that alfred picked for him

[trail elk]

As if tiktok doesnt exist in this world

[errant vault]

imagine bruce just has a monitor in the bat cave blasting tiktok shorts to see whats going on in the city

"the pop culture.... i must keep my hand on its pulse before it leaves me behind, the element can appear anywhere, anytime, i must... be ready"

bruce says while watching some random gothamite playing w her cat while the explosions going off

[trail elk]

they did this in john wick too, first movie cops showed up and covered for him

to show that the assassins can do their stuff in secret underground etc.

then fast forward theyre having ww2 fast and furious out in public and no one shows up lol

[errant vault]

i just realized sum

[dark juniper]

Ye

[errant vault]

ozs idol died from a heart attack and inspired oz to become a gangster

[dark juniper]

I think

[errant vault]

besides the first episode

and sal died from a heart attack this episode

[trail elk]

Rex Calabrese "gimme a fish"

[errant vault]

also something interesting

rex isnt at all what oz described him as

hell rex didnt even give a fuck abt oz when oz said hi to him

[trail elk]

|| Episode 8 leaks, another flashback where Oz killed Rex in secret ||

Sorry for spoilers yall

|| Rex went to police station, one thing was for sure. He didnt go in there for lunch ||

[idle badge]

||sally bugs smh||

[glossy lava]

99% certain the doctor doesn't exist and he's a figment of Sofia's imagination

[agile crow]

Nah

Penguin finale https://youtu.be/wSNobcB4rXE?si=sw5UGPqkhrv0YTrh

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/blurayangel/status/1853283137645580563?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[agile crow]

This idiot didn’t watch the movie properly. Only low level criminals were afraid of Batman. https://fxtwitter.com/therealsupes/status/1853407008071844226?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

You could argue Penguin found him scary after the car chase, but top tier criminals like Falcone didn’t take him seriously.

This dude reviews superhero movies for a living💀

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/culturecrave/status/1853620702383161433?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[dark juniper]

Girl, literally one week previously Batman beat up all his guys at the Iceberg Lounge, blew up his car on the freeway and left him tied up

You don’t think that’d make an impression on Oz?

[agile crow]

The person said “criminals”. I mentioned in the sentence above that Oz would find him scary after the car chase incident.

In the movie, not everybody feared him. He’s barely experienced and people like Falcone didn’t take him seriously.

[trail elk]

Donnie, Rubes called you girl, arent you gonna defend your masculinity

You were supposed to destroy them Don, show em what a big man you are

[agile crow]

I really don’t understand why she addresses like that

[agile crow]

?

[trail elk]

Oz quote

When Sal was dyin

Its stuck in my head

[trail elk]

There was this really cool Scarecrow pitch that basically went like this:

Jonathon Crane was born to an abusive alcoholic single father who failed at becoming a priest/pastor

And raised his son on their family farm on the outskirts of Gotham

His most common form of abuse was strapping young Jonathon to the scarecrow posts to show him what Jesus went through

This resulted in a very traumatic core memory for jonathon

The fear toxin can be of either two things:

1. he left home after his fathers death to pursue his studies, particularly in chemistry and he ended up making the toxin

2. He stayed and he accidentally created the toxin by tinkering with the veterinary or insecticide chemicals for his farm

Anyway fast forward to modern times he’s a serial killer who crucifies victims in the cornfield and laces them with the toxin before leaving them to die from exposure, essentially leaving them to scream in terror in the distance as they die

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/monster/images/9/98/Scarecrow.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20201017151344

The imagery is really cool

[errant vault]

i still wouldnt say that oz is afraid of him

like he seemed pretty chill when he first met batman, hell he even called him sweetheart

[agile holly]

Jesus Christ

[agile holly]

Do you guys think Oz meant to do it, or do you think he was expecting them to find some way out?

[errant vault]

i think he did it out of impulse at first

[jolly badge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/KvNK2_HqAqg?si=ZtT6WFQ3rTzWwSXv

[errant vault]

was a little worried when he didnt come back

and then just forgot abt em in favor of chilling w his mom

[jolly badge]

Revealing or acknowledging it, brings guilt too

Kids are like that

The naughty ones

[errant vault]

yea

i think he regrets it

[jolly badge]

Prob but felt good in the moment

[errant vault]

since in episode 5 we see a small scene when he sees the door and he freezes and looks down

btw episode 5 sets up how oz beats the maronis w the faulty electricity and the box

[jolly badge]

I just love Oz

Find him highly relatable

Victor too

Usually shows mess up characters like Victor but they did him solid here

Great direction and writing and production in general

[errant vault]

i love how instead of getting pissed about victor getting caught out by sofia he urges him to get out

like oz might be a evil piece of shit but he still has signs of humanity

[jolly badge]

Yeah it feels a lot more authentic

Much more realistic

Than some black/white moral easy bs

[errant vault]

honestly

i think he might even have humanity if his mom dies

cuz bro has clearly shown care for other people

[jolly badge]

Yh he’s a piece of shit but a lovable piece of shit

[errant vault]

like when he gave money to selina on his own and was worried abt her working in the 44 below

also when he went for a drink when vic left

[dark juniper]

You reckon

[errant vault]

o yea

[jolly badge]

From what I see anyway

You might think differently idk

[errant vault]

ruby has seen the whole show

ruby will oz be a unlovable piece of shit at the end?

[dark juniper]

Finale is great

Ep4 is my fav overall

But the finale has the juice

[errant vault]

honestly ruby can i ask

howd u even see the whole show?

[dark juniper]

David Zaslav is my uncle

[errant vault]

nah

fuck off

[jolly badge]

There’s ways but they’re often very convoluted

[dark juniper]

What did y’all think of Oz’s backstory? It’s the thing I wasn’t too sure of

It felt very ordinary, almost a bit random

But it’s grown on me

[jolly badge]

Yeah was glad with it, very glad it wasn’t the whole episode

[errant vault]

i think it revealed allot

[jolly badge]

And just a bit of it

[errant vault]

like his love for his mom runs deeper than we thought

[jolly badge]

Yeah childhood shows a lot about people

[errant vault]

also the fact rex basically didnt give a shit about him and wasnt at all who oz told us he was

[jolly badge]

It’s so important that psychologists use it in therapy

[dark juniper]

I think this is the most interesting part

[jolly badge]

Yh that shit was hilarious

[dark juniper]

Oz killing his brothers is kinda boring

But doing it to be his mum’s fav is great

[errant vault]

i think the oz killing his brothers bit is the most interesting part for me since im not sure how he felt about it

did he mean it or did he just assume they would escape

[jolly badge]

He wanted to be depended on like his older brother

But obvs he couldn’t cause of his disability

[errant vault]

cuz like he showed worry when they werent coming back

[jolly badge]

Doesn’t like to be looked down upon

Hates it in fact

[errant vault]

i think top hat the movie might have foreshadowd the finale

w the gangster dancing and miming gunning down people

imagine if oz just pulls out a umbrella gun and starts blasting

also i love how they reworked ozs og comic book origin into this

[jolly badge]

I just want sofia to die

[errant vault]

since in the comics the reason he uses an umbrella was cuz his mom insisted he carry one cuz his dad died of pneumonia

from a storm

so i think its sorta cool that he uses one in the batverse cuz of the fact he basically used the rain to kill his brothers

also i love how ozs backstory is the literal polar opposite of vics

where vic lost his family cuz of a man made disaster w the flood and he had no way to save them cuz he was outside and they were at home

oz let his brothers drown in a rainstorm cuz he wanted to go relax at home w mom

[halcyon ember]

I have been begging for centuries to see a Penguin use the umbrella gun in live action

Oh my god I'd kill for that

[jolly badge]

Yh its poetic in a way

[agile holly]

What’s boring about it?

It’s an extremely morally complex momment

[dark juniper]

Let’s not overstate things

Extremely morally complex is a big statement

It’s fine

[agile holly]

Because we don’t even know if he intended to do that in the beginning, he could have simply been trying to fuck with them

He kept looking back at the window, as if he expected them to come back

But as the night went on….

[dark juniper]

Yeah it’s fine

[agile holly]

It’s a lot better than fine, it’s brilliant

[dark juniper]

Is it

It’s not exactly The Sopranos like

[agile holly]

The whole idea around it being the fact that he over projects his feelings because of his insecurities.

[dark juniper]

It’s a troubled kid doing something terrible and choosing to stay quiet instead of facing the consequences

It’s decent

It’s not anything radical

It’s a tropey origin

[agile holly]

So Agatha’s better?

Ight

[dark juniper]

No lol

Penguin is much better lol

[agile holly]

You just said in the chat tho

It was better

[dark juniper]

I was teasing

There’s an /s

[agile holly]

OH

Oh

Well I’m dumb as hell.

[dark juniper]

Penguin is good

It’s not Breaking Bad or The Sopranos, as far as mob antiheroes go