📺The Penguin

[errant vault]

yea i think oz is gonna lose his mom aswell

like one of the episodes has sofia finding his mom

probs the one before the finale

[agile crow]

Damn she gonna kill her

[errant vault]

and the finale has his mom die as oz frames vic for his crimes and vic gets sent to arkham

honestly itd be sorta cliche but i can just imagine a small timeskip happening

[agile crow]

Oz’s backstory will be covered as well apparently in ep 7.

[errant vault]

like a few days later w oz running shit

and hes just looking out at the city

and hes at the top but it still feels empty w the amount of shit he had to do to get there

[agile crow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBatmanFilm/s/JLlLVrktzX

[errant vault]

imagine a harvey dent court room drama w him losing his mind over gothams corruption

[solid arrow]

That would be really cool, a couple of characters I would like to see get a show too is Hush and Deadshot, those are characters I think would be interesting to see explored, and see how they fit and play into this new lore that their creating in this more grounded gritty ambiguous Batman universe that we have now.

[twin pivot]

Crazy to even think that Sofia was in that horrible Arkham prison for 10 years, and one main reason she survived was because of support from her brother and how he promised to one day free her.. makes sense why his loss was so devastating for her.

[twin pivot]

I don't know about this, you have Gunn's DCU coming with its own Batman movies and I wonder if WB will greenlit many spinoffs of The Batman. For me, if the show is as good as The Penguin.. keep it coming.

[agile crow]

They should if the quality is on par.

[agile crow]

Just shows nobody truly respected Oz, not even the boss he served sycophantically.

Penguin’s goal is to become a mobster like Rex Calabrese, but he never will.

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1846946787845620092?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A Hype

[solid arrow]

Damnit I wanna watch it so bad but you know what I’m not gonna, this is very unusual for me because I 9 times outta 10 I would just watch the trailer without thinking twice but this series has been so good I don’t even wanna potentially spoil or be given a idea of what’s to come.

[solid arrow]

I really hope Gunn just focuses on getting the Superman and the other characters he wanna does right and just lets this be without doing his own Batman for awhile, I want at least 2 more Matt Reeves Batman movies and a couple of series in this world if they can maintain the standard of quality that they’ve set.

[tepid lintel]

Whos on the bike || not batman ||

Oh its vic

[trail elk]

Is this a real teaser?

If so we might be getting Mr Freeze

Yeah seems legit

[errant vault]

nah thats been shared around for months now

i think its over a year old

[twin pivot]

We can have Gunn Batman movie one year and Reeves Batman movie next year.. yes some people might get confused but they will know soon enough

[errant vault]

the mcu will probs help em cuz it isnt really that confusing

just say matt reeves stuff its is own thing

[solid arrow]

I don’t really want that, that’s just gonna be overkill to me, like lighting the candle at both ends, it’s gonna burn out audiences quick on the property, and it’s just gonna confuse audiences

[twin pivot]

You can't have a proper DCU without Batman and audiences are not so dumb that they can't figure out two different iterations of Batman

[trail elk]

I’m just a little worried for the Gunn Superman I

Although his Suicide Squad was leagues better than the first one, it still fell quite short with its last act

And the Peacemaker series too

Started well, had a good concept or basis

But ended with this giant cgi slogfest

Where the villain wasn’t even interesting visually or dramatically

He did do his last guardians of the galaxy around the same time though which was the best of its trilogy so we’ll see

[solid arrow]

What I’m saying is Gunns universe can do without Batman for awhile and let Matt Reeves universe be it’s own thing for a bit while he figures out the rest before trying to shove Batman into another separate universe while this is still a thing. I’m not saying people are too dumb to notice the difference I just think you’re gonna run into risk of burning people out on the character and that their will be a segment of the audience that is confused because everyone will either not care enough to learn the difference or will look at this and go “why?” no matter what

[twin pivot]

What does for a while mean though?? Like 2 or 3 years sure.. but it can't be 5 or 6 years. I mean Reeves is planning a trilogy I think.

In any case a DCU Batman movie is already being planned and I for one can't wait to see that alongside Reeves batman.

[trail elk]

How do you guys think a Gunn Batman would be like though

Vibe wise

Snyder’s Batman being an edgy gore fiend , Reeves Batman being a little more grounded vigilante with toned down gear we’re pretty predixatabke

Predictable*

Given their directors

Not gonna lie I’m afraid Gunn Batman might be a little goofy like Burton’s

[errant vault]

Probs like a 90s grizzled badass

Just quiet but can quip

And has some personality besides punch good

[errant vault]

I dont think that audiences will get burned out, its only 2 movies

Plus if the stuff we get is as good as the batman and penguin then i think they wont mind getting flooded

Like yk how impatient people got when they found out that batman 2 would take more time than expected

[acoustic knoll]

If they’re good, they won’t burn people out

[errant vault]

Yea

The problem the mcu had was that they peaked w endgame and then started flooding people w sub par stuff w characterd they didnt care abt

[twin pivot]

I think he won't be as dark as Pattinson but I don't think you can make him comedic as well, so I think a balance.

[errant vault]

i just noticed

they play the promise from when in rome while penguin is getting dragged out of his car in episode 1

"im sorry but im just thinking up the right words to say"
"i know they dont sound the way i planned them to be"
the lyrics right before hes knocked out and questioned by sofia

honestly the song could be ozs theme atp like how ave maria is eds and something in the way is bruces

[agile crow]

Gunn Batman would be like the animations and Arkham games. We’re gonna see prep time Batman who develops techs that can counter cosmic beings and shit.

https://tenor.com/view/batman-arkham-gif-8115013

[dark juniper]

Why would anyone read the novelisation of The Dark Knight

Aren’t those for 12 year olds, to get them into reading?

[agile crow]

Read it if you want more details. That’s the only reason these novels exist.

[dark juniper]

They exist so kids who don’t read much can get into books through stories they already like as movies haha

I promise you Chris Nolan didn’t contribute much

[agile crow]

I doubt they’re aware about those. Considering movies can’t cover everything, novelisations exist.

[dark juniper]

That’s not true lmao

Novelisations aren’t canon text, they’re quick and cheap tie ins for a few extra quid off kids and nerds

[agile crow]

They are canon lol.

[dark juniper]

To what?

Do you think Nolan has read them?

[agile crow]

To the universe.

[dark juniper]

Do you think Nolan has read them?

[agile crow]

Do you think he hasn’t?

[dark juniper]

That’s a yes then?

You think Nolan sits down and reads the airport cash-in novelisations of his movies?

Do you think he contributes to them?

[agile crow]

We really don’t know if he has read it or not. Nolan doesn’t have to contribute for it being canon.

Official novelisations are expanded material.

[dark juniper]

Lol

They’re not part of the movie though are they

If it’s not in The Dark Knight, and not written by the people who wrote The Dark Knight, you can’t really say it’s part of The Dark Knight can you?

[agile crow]

Which is it’s why a novel serving as an expansion of the movie

[dark juniper]

It’s just called official so nerds who need content can chew it up

[dark juniper]

Sure but it’s not part of the movie

[agile crow]

It’s literally official novelisation authorised by WB

[dark juniper]

This isn’t part of the movie, so is irrelevant to any readings of the movie

[dark juniper]

Yeah official is a magic word that sells things to nerds

But it’s not actually the story Nolan and Co were telling

[agile crow]

It isn’t irrelevant if you’re talking about the universe in general.

[dark juniper]

It’s like buying an Official Joker t-shirt

[agile crow]

This is like saying none of the mainstream universe Batman stories aside the one created by Bob Kane and Bill Finger aren’t canon lol.

[dark juniper]

No it’s like saying each story is its own thing

The person you were replying to said that The Dark Knight’s Two-Face turns evil very suddenly in the movie, and you replied by citing the novelisation

[agile crow]

They aren’t their own thing. Whatever that was written by Scott Snyder is canon to the Batman character for example.

[dark juniper]

Which is different to the movie lol

[dark juniper]

And there are no contradictions ever?

In all of Batman comics?

[agile crow]

Contradictions are irrelevant. If it’s part of the mainstream universe, then it is canon.

[dark juniper]

It all runs seamlessly as one work?

[dark juniper]

Lmao

I never understood the obsession with having a ‘canon’ between entirely separate pieces of artistic work

Like

Who gives a fuck?

These are different artists and storytellers doing different things with a character who is little more than a symbol to be inserted into whichever narrative it is you want to explore

Why do you need a grand unifying theory for stories that weren’t written to be unified?

[agile crow]

You brought the canon argument

[dark juniper]

Did I

[agile crow]

“Novelisations aren’t canon text”

[dark juniper]

I said I didn’t believe in a grand unifying canon

[dark juniper]

To the movie yeah

It’s not all one canon

The movie is a different text to the novelisation

[agile crow]

It is

[dark juniper]

Why?

Why is that more interesting?

Is The Dark Knight the same canon as Justice League: Tower Of Babel?

Is Batman Returns in the same canon as The LEGO Batman Movie?

[agile crow]

Like I said, the official novelisations are nothing but expanded material to the movie. So it is canon to the TDK universe.

[dark juniper]

Is Batman (1966) in the same canon as The Dark Knight Returns?

[dark juniper]

Is Arkham Knight canon to TDK universe? Cos the costume is in it as a skin so…

[agile crow]

What does this have to do with my point? TDK universe is different and the novelisations are part of that

[dark juniper]

Ah ok so there are different Batman canons?

Gotcha

[agile crow]

That’s a silly argument lol.

[dark juniper]

Completely agree

[agile crow]

You’re reaching

[dark juniper]

But you admit there are multiple Batman canons?

[dark juniper]

Not just one universe?

[agile crow]

And the novelisations are basically part of the TDK universe. It’s just the movie with extra details.

[dark juniper]

Basically?

So not entirely?

So when Nolan was writing The Dark Knight, do you believe he came up with the expanded elements in the novelisation?

[agile crow]

Again that is not relevant.

[dark juniper]

It is a bit

Cos you were talking about the story he created

So someone else’s add-on isn’t really relevant is it

[agile crow]

If it is an authorised novel by WB which was written as an extra for the movies, then it is canon. It would be like saying Dragon Ball Super won’t be canon to DB after Toriyama’s death. It’s confirmed Toyotaro will continue after the hiatus.

[trail elk]

Thats what im sayinnnnn; "the book covers it" doesn't make up for the film

[dark juniper]

Idc about anime I’ve had sex

[trail elk]

Yeah but Donnie has a harem of pillows, so suck on that

[agile crow]

Dude the point is that it’s not relevant if Nolan wasn’t involved. If it is an authorised or official novelisation created to serve as an expanded material for the movie then it indeed becomes canon to the TDK universe.

[agile crow]

Is this supposed to be a joke or something?

[dark juniper]

Idk girl you just started talking anime and I got a bit lost

[dark juniper]

Oh ok

Happy for you 👍

[surreal ferry]

Flanderization in reverse

[oak jolt]

They couldnt get John Turturro?

[twin pivot]

No they couldn't

[jolly badge]

The best show ever

The penguin is literally me

[sly swallow]

im so excited

[sly swallow]

No way oz kills eve

[trail elk]

Such a goat episode

My two stand out scenes

|| Oz literally immolating a mother and son alive while double crossing/tricking them, then just standing there gawking and enjoying the cruetly; such a wicked move, you really saw The Penguin, The Kingpin of Gotham right there. Then Sofia walking into that room with that dress with the score, such a power bitch move sequence||

[twin pivot]

Watching episode 5, Sofia is quite smart, allying with Sal, creating a whole new family as well.

[solid arrow]

Man every episode I just fall deeper and deeper in love with this show man, it always ends with you wanting more and keeps you on toes not knowing what to expect. I love the evolution of the Sofia and Oz, it just showcases how far they’re willing to go for power and to display their dominance. It’s just one the shows I love telling everyone about, the interesting relationship to me is between Oz and his mother, it’s so abusive yet so sweet when Oz goes to lay with his mom and comfort her only for her to reject him and push him away, you just feel so sad for Oz. Oh and Oz prolly should’ve expected the product was gonna get messed up, he road with a bunch of mushrooms all night uncovered in the cold night weather.

[mossy knoll]

Another great episode. Quality TV right here

But that's expected from HBO

Colin Farell and Crisitin Miloti been killing it so far (in the show and with their performances)

[agile crow]

Another brilliant episode. Oz is bloody evil torching Nadia Maroni and her son.

The way he smirked at their deaths. He’s fucked up.

Batman should be dealing with this shit off screen. The Penguin deserves what’s coming for him and it seems like his mother isn’t innocent either.

Dude is the villain of his own show. I expected it to be more like the Sopranos and Breaking Bad, but the way they made Oz so despicable is exceptionally done.

Sofia and Maronis are the victims

[marsh night]

where the fuck is batman in all of this 🤣

I recently just watched The Batman over the weekend and he says there will be a fight for power over the city and he needs to be there to stop it...HELLO BATMAN WHERE ARE YOU

[dark juniper]

At home doomscrolling through Catwoman’s insta

[agile crow]

They just don’t want him involved at all for some reason.

He should be doing something off screen.

[agile crow]

If only Batman killed because that’s what Oz deserves.

[dark juniper]

It's a pretty good reason

The moment Batman shows up, the scene becomes about Batman

He's a bit of a diva that way

You're not in The Penguin's POV as soon as Batman swoops in

[agile crow]

Batman should completely cripple Oz off screen.

And let him know he’s an inferior being.

[dark juniper]

Girl you are so Joker-pilled it's cray

[agile crow]

You will stop feeling sympathy for people like Oz when he does terrible things like torching a mother and her child.

[agile crow]

How is that Joker pilled💀

[trail elk]

“I’d like to be with you, on your side”

Me too hombre, me too…

[trail elk]

Get this man an emmy right the fuck now, you’re a cinematic genius Donnie, I cried

[agile crow]

This show is superb. It’s unique even amongst gangster genre IMO.

[trail elk]

I wasn’t expecting the Maroni family to be killed off that fast

[agile crow]

People will cry reading that terrible attempt at sarcasm.

[trail elk]

You’re absolutely right homie

[agile crow]

Wonder who will survive

[trail elk]

Wish HBO made Rhaenyra like Sofia, a power bitch who everyone goes “yaaaaad queen slaayyyyy” stead of “muh what would you have me do”

[agile crow]

Shame this is only a miniseries

[acoustic knoll]

that was a nice episode

[dark juniper]

Oz is like a hotter Daemon Targaryen

[trail elk]

So true queen

Ok total nitpick 🤓 move by me rn but

yknow what woulda been narly

When Oz lit the boy on fire, mrs maroni also just caught on fire randomly too lol

woulda been so wicked if like

the boy was on fire but the mom was hugging and trynna save her son

like oz was just gonna shoot the lady, but he stopped to gawk at this mother desperately trynna save her son and burning to it

thats why he didnt just leave with the truck asap cause he was indulging in his sadism

this kinda vibe to it

[agile crow]

The juxtaposition between these scenes is crazy.

[acoustic knoll]

Holy shit

[agile crow]

Do y’all think Oz will kill Eve?

[acoustic knoll]

Hmmm unsure

I wondered if he’d kill his mum to erase his weak point

But that wouldn’t really be his focus rn

[agile crow]

Pure evil

This scene, but he actually kills her. Would be fucked up. https://youtu.be/ed5BfnNXqqA?si=s3LbYklb7WpFXHEm

I do find some similarities between Mrs Cobb and Livia Soprano.

[dark juniper]

I mean it’s a reference innit

Farrell is doing a Tony Soprano impression, and he’s even got Tony’s mother

It’s not a coincidence

[agile crow]

Yeah

Since you’ve watched the series, do you think he will do more fucked up stuff?

[mossy knoll]

Yeah, he will eat raccoons

[surreal ferry]

atp Sofia worst than Oz

I like how they dishing out the IP

[errant vault]

yea

the reviewers ive seen have said that the last few episodes get fucked up

[dark juniper]

Last episode, you’ll feel sorry for him and then you never will again

[surreal ferry]

Ep5 first ep where I felt on familiar territory (underground system, Batman Returns)

[tepid lintel]

Amazing ep

I thought killer croc will come right away

[errant vault]

I think that squid is gonna get his mom

That or he tells the gigantes abt it since hes one of their drug runners

And thats how sofia finds out that ozs mom is still alive

[errant vault]

btw why does ozs mom look so adorable

like she seems like such a sweet lady when she isnt emotionally abusing her mobster son

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/solacecinema/status/1848771285632876900?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[errant vault]

YESSSSSSSSSSS

[agile crow]

I think the Penguin won’t survive in Batman 2.

[errant vault]

would be weird if he dosent

mans one of the top dogs in bruces rogues galery, would be strange if man dies within like a week of riddler showing up

plus part 2 takes place a week after oz takes over

so aint no way their just gonna kill him off after hes only been ruling for a week

[agile crow]

Oh is it?

[errant vault]

Yea

So the timeline is
Riddler kills the mayor on halloween night

Part 1 ends on november 6th w cat woman leaving gotham

And then the penguin starts 1 week later

I think oz is gonna be the kingpin of gotham for a few years

Tho hell probs be having allot of trouble cuz of batman

Oh btw in the penguin 10 days have passed from oz killing alberto to the most recent episode

[acoustic knoll]

lots of shit went down for just 10 days

[agile crow]

Meh

Should’ve 1 year gap in the sequel

[agile crow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBatmanFilm/s/PK9DFTuouw

[trail elk]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThePenguin/comments/1g8nnpj/am_i_the_only_one_who_thinks_sofia_will_become/

[errant vault]

Yk i wonder who rush is

My moneys on either scarecrow or calender man

[trail elk]

Imagine him being calender man

Like he wasnt enough of a little bitch already

[errant vault]

I mean it would fit the long halloween

W calender man and the holiday killer working together

And him being a manipulative psychopath, also calender mans name in the comics is julian gregory day

Wouldnt be surprised if they changed it to have it be sort of like a twitst

[trail elk]

Idk we'll see

Rn he's kinda just lame

"I'd like to join you Sofia" my man this is a crime family, fuck u gonna do to help lmao

[errant vault]

Yea true

Ig hell try to manipulate sofia or sum

[trail elk]

"I can help your hired killers reach their feminine side babe uwu"

[errant vault]

Could just be doing it to see her at work

Like what if hes just doing it for research

[trail elk]

The vibe I got was he was just turned on by it

Breaking bad walter white style

[errant vault]

Yea that too

Honestly there are like 5 different theories on who julian can be

From scarecrow to strange to just sum guy working for the court of owls

my moneys on calender man

[mossy knoll]

This is true. She is going to be Bane (reply was on that reddit post)

[trail elk]

I just wanna see more low level gritty villains

Zsaaz, Pyg n shit

Riddler woulda went really hard if they just stuck with the Zodiac killer kinda side to it

[trail elk]

Her name isn't Gigante for nothing

💪

[mossy knoll]

lol

[trail elk]

Bae walkin outta Arkham like "Ahh you think darkness is your ally?"

[errant vault]

bruh imagine sofia just picking up oz and slapping him on her knee

slamming

[trail elk]

Thats how she shoulda dealt with Viti, he starts talkin shit and she just Banes him infront of everyone

[mossy knoll]

I cant wait to see how it unfolds, only 3 eps left

[errant vault]

my prediction is that next episode is gonna be oz tryna unite the gangs to help him

and then it goes to shit

and ep 7 is him getting rekt

like losing his mom and fighting his way out

and then the last ep is him winning and becoming the kingpin

[trail elk]

"Now Sofia, let's not be rash- AHHHHH"

[mossy knoll]

Yeah, he is most likely going to lose his mom (maybe Vic too who knows)

[errant vault]

i think squid is gonna catch on to who francis is

speaking of which

bruh why is francis so adorable at times

like when shes just chilling she looks like the sweetest ol lady

[mossy knoll]

Oh yeah, the actress looks cute ngl

[trail elk]

Oz's mom?

[errant vault]

bruh the scene when shes walking on the streets w victor she looks so sweet man

jus snuggling that lamp

[errant vault]

ye

[trail elk]

I get she's meant to be an emotionally abusive woman but

she's like the 1 person i felt bad for

sending her back to that old apartment to bring all those bad memories back

like noooo dont do that

[errant vault]

im curious to see how oz lost his brothers

[mossy knoll]

Yeah same

[trail elk]

ruby said

oz flashback ep on ep7

[errant vault]

yea ik that

[trail elk]

so we're prolly gonna see the backstory for that

[errant vault]

but im curious how they died

ig well have to wait

[trail elk]

yeah i mean ig theres not gonna be too much about it

like

[errant vault]

gooddamn it ruby is such a lucky ass

[trail elk]

they were gangsters or something

got too ambitious

mom and oz couldnt fight back

[mossy knoll]

How many did he have>

[trail elk]

thats why theyre so bitter and ambitious

[mossy knoll]

Two?

[errant vault]

2

[mossy knoll]

besides him

[errant vault]

yea

[errant vault]

nah i think they were pretty young when they died

since we see a pic of them w oz and one looks a bit older than oz and the other looks the same age as oz

[trail elk]

i thought they were like Vic's age, young adults

so like street thugs like Squid

or older teens

[errant vault]

i think they died when oz was a kid

[mossy knoll]

I rewatched The Batman after watching ep 5 a few days ago. Still so good

[trail elk]

oh shit btw i forgot to add

[errant vault]

since we get another pic of just oz with his mom

[mossy knoll]

Could have trimmed some fat but otherwise, a really fantastic film

[trail elk]

the Jonah Hill casting? put everything into perspective

[errant vault]

imma go prep for episode 8 when it comes out

[mossy knoll]

Oh yeah wasnt he supposed to be The Penguin but negotiations fell out

[errant vault]

just go read the riddler comic, rewatch the movie and all 7 episodes

[trail elk]

Hill as Penguin, Dano as Riddler, Pattinson as Batman- they're all so young looking for the gallery- made "The Batman" like a "Gotham Beginning/Origins" film

Like when you imagine all of em together

And then Gordon is like 40ish so when The Batman we know turns up he's like 50-60 with greying hair

With the old style mobsters like Falcone and Maroni being the "simpler times"

As opposed to the wild super villains

[errant vault]

hollup

didnt hill want to be the riddler?

[mossy knoll]

Yeah, Gordon in the movie felt like almost a second partner to Batman than like someone who helps him occasionally

Seven type of pairing

[trail elk]

Yeah he was cast for Penguin iirc by Reeves but he wanted to be Riddler

And get paid more for it

So it fell thru

[mossy knoll]

He was actually circling for both roles iirc

[errant vault]

ye

honestly im glad the negotiations fell through

colin just hits different

btw how old is oz anyways?

[mossy knoll]

Yeah, Farrell is just sublime

[safe spruce]

Thinking about it, if I were to personally rank the episodes so far it would be:

1. 3
2. 1
3. 2
4. 4
5. 5

[trail elk]

Pattinson looked outta place for Batman intentionally cause of his age, and then you see Jonah as Penguin

Both cast specifically for the early days

[trail elk]

Whelp def alot older lol with the balding and pox marks

But yeah Colin is an amazing cast, just different to what they were originally planning

[mossy knoll]

Joker's young too

[errant vault]

im guessing like early 40s for oz

[safe spruce]

I know episode for is a fan favorite, but I'm not a huge fan of the directing in 4 and 5

[mossy knoll]

I think Keoghan will come into play in the third movie while maybe getting a small scene or two in the second one

[errant vault]

i think hell have a bit more of a role in part 2

where hell probably escape

since people pointed out that during his deleted scene he stole one of the paper clips on the file

[safe spruce]

They should eventually do red hood movie with all the mob villians, black mask, penguin, two face

[errant vault]

eventually

[trail elk]

Jonah woulda played like an incel Penguin really well yknow, so like he's a young Oz- just some push over accountant for the mob running the club's books, his girlfriend is a prostitute whom he has to pay for affection like an OF creator, and all the impulsive killings are cause they hurt his egos etc.

Riddler, Penguin, Batman all different variations of incel school shooter types

"mah society"- le joker

[errant vault]

yk i wonder what jokers theme is gonna be

[trail elk]

i hope we dont get joker tbh, kinda burnt out with him now

[errant vault]

already decided that the promise by when in rome is ozs theme song

[safe spruce]

Glad they didn't go that route

[trail elk]

Ledger, Leto, then Phoenix all in real quick succession

Then the Chernobyl actor as Joker in Reeves

[errant vault]

yea same but i do hope we get a bit of him, nothing major

[safe spruce]

yeah f joker at this point, I'd be happy if they killed him off screen tbh

[errant vault]

oh yea

keoghan acted alongside colin in banshees of inisherin

im hyped for his take

i do wish theyd alter the design a lil

just give him more hair on the top of his head and im sold

[trail elk]

I mean the hair gave me trybophobia so it really did look like he fell into a vat of acid lol

[safe spruce]

Let's do villians that haven't been adapted before, court of owls, mr. freeze, hugo strange

[trail elk]

Maybe the story for that joker was Batman's first raid was against red hood

[errant vault]

i think the court will appear

[trail elk]

And he actually fell into the acid

[errant vault]

dude what if the joker was just a member of red hoods gang

and not the actual red hood

since we know that this version of joker was born w his smiling deformity

[safe spruce]

deathstroke too

[errant vault]

and he just turned to crime cuz of the rejection and then fell into the acid after a botched heist

nah id prefer deathstroke to be out of this universe for now

give me pyg and scarecrow

[safe spruce]

I'm tired of scarecrow and his gimmick tbh

[errant vault]

i mean id love if they explored scarecrow more than just making him a living plot device

[trail elk]

scarecrow could work in reeeves, at first i thought sofia's drug was related to him

[errant vault]

they could set him up in part 2

[safe spruce]

he's kinda another looney villian like joker and riddler a little

[errant vault]

like have him be stranges assistant to becomes obsessed w fear when he sees batmans effects on gotham

there are reports that part 2 will be based on batman prey

which is about batman questioning his sanity while hugo strange starts a smear campaign against him

[safe spruce]

that could be interesting

[trail elk]

Ok hang on so, the entire roster is (not counting the shit villains)

Mght get:
-Freeze
-Scarecrow
-Ras
-Black Mask
-Hugo Strange
-Two Face

-Joker (Overdone)

Already Have:
-Riddler
-Penguin

Too High Fantasy:
-Killer Croc
-Solomon Grundy
-Manbat
-Poison Ivy

Could work but maybe too small for directors to pick for studio reasons:
Ventriloquist
Mad Hatter
Pyg
Zaaz

Lame as fuck:
Kite Man

[safe spruce]

and if we're doing any repeat villians I wouldn't mind ra's again tbh

[errant vault]

nah

ras is like a mid career batman

would be weird if batman fights a organization of assassin ninjas and then the court of owls

[trail elk]

I kinda liked Nolan's take where the league of shadows were Batman origins and also his endgame, the alpha and omega, beginning and end, his demons coming back to haunt him

[errant vault]

yk

i hope alfred helped train blake

cuz bros dying within his first week if hes batman alone

[trail elk]

The cool thing I wanted with League of Shadows was like a foil to Batman's physical prowess, where its kind of like a John Wick movie

Where its likle

They were the ones who trained him, his brothers

So even the no one NPC goons can give a run for his money

1-1 martial arts wise

[errant vault]

yea

[trail elk]

That the entire time Batman was this menace, this inhuman shinobi; but now with his brethren up against him he's nothing special anymore

[errant vault]

well fuck

i dislike the dark knight returns even more now

rises

smh

[trail elk]

Small things with Nolan like, how his wrist spikes were adopt cause thats what they shadows used was really cool

[errant vault]

they could have had it be batman vs an army of batmen

[trail elk]

Batarangs (shurikens), the wrist blades, etc. were cause thats what he was trained with

[trail elk]

yeahh thatd be so cool

as like an endgame for a trilogy

[errant vault]

honestly the dark knight rises should have been 2 movies

the dark knight falls
the dark knight returns

[trail elk]

What I liked with Bane was how he could just not give a fuck when duelling Batman

Like he threw his signature smokes and Bane was like bruh

[errant vault]

dude yk what bothers me

the fact bale batman only fought crime for like a couple of months

[trail elk]

And the whole I am the shadows was like "You were fighting outsiders the entire time, now I will remind you who you are, who I am, who WE are"

[errant vault]

i wish the rest of the league had a chance vs batman 1v1

cuz it fr feels like they just got rekt and then it was bane vs batman

[trail elk]

Yeah they didnt have much of a personality

Just random redshirt NPCs

Even their get ups

If they dressed like Batman or ninjas with black shinobi attire

Maybe the arm blades also

but without the bat iconography

[errant vault]

honestly dude imagine if bruce had a relationship with any of them

like he had some friends during his training with the league

and he had to fight them during banes assault

[trail elk]

Yeah, even a small nod

They were iniated with eachother

League Vs Batman emotionally was like The Night's Watch when they killed Jon

[agile crow]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-5916138264924840740

[errant vault]

one thing ill give nolan

is that he took bane seriously

and didnt just make him a buff guy that oogas boogas his way to a w

[trail elk]

I mean… he did that too

[errant vault]

yea but like hes tactical aswell

not just pure brute force

mans a leader and set up a nuke to destroy gotha,

[trail elk]

Lowkey

My fantasy Bane movie would be like

Just a one off villain, like in 2-3 episodes of a show

Wherein Batman for one reason or another pissed off the Cartels, and they sent a hit man/mercenary named Bane

Would be kinda cool to give a nod to Bane’s original background of being Latino cause you can see from his classic mask he was based off of those Mexican wrestlers, forgot what they’re called

Nacho Libre, Ray Mysterio ones

He starts off just no holds barred; goes after Batman with like armaments, ambushing him with an RPG

Chasing him in his Batmobile with a machine gun etc

Kinda like Adam smasher from edgerunners

He was there originally sent by the cartel by payment let’s say X million bounty whatever

But turns out he’s a complete maniac, and is Anton Chigurh where he was sent under the premise of money but now he will finish the job out of principle

Just keeps hounding Batman and eventually he runs out of munitions and that’s when we get the classic Bane-Batman fist fight

Character wise like a hybrid between the Twins from breaking bad and Anton Chigurh from no country for old men

Maybe he swore to Santa Muerte (Saint Death) a soul, so he will finish the job or die trying- his or Batman’s soul

[errant vault]

honestly i think bane has a respect towards batman

bane is basically the anti batman

just stared off as some random kid raised in a prison and after a traumatic moment decided to build himself into something greater

also has a fear of bats for some random reason idfk

and then he escaped prison and broke batman and afterwards began to respect him

[trail elk]

I mean those aren’t hard canon, I mean nothing but like I feel with Bane it’s just “Buff dude, the green venom is his steroid juice and “break da batmaaan””

Hardy’s bane was a great performance acting wise

But I kinda wish they had a bigger actor

[agile crow]

Bane killed Alfred too

[trail elk]

Like muscle wise

Get the rock to play Bane but Hardy voice over 💀

[errant vault]

i love how bane can go from tactical genius who has built himself into a beast to dumb buff man w super steroids

[trail elk]

Yeah he’s different every iteration

[errant vault]

i prefer his original iteration

i like villains who can challenge batman both intellectually and physically

[trail elk]

Babe from Harley Quinn cartoon was so good lol

[errant vault]

i love bane man

[agile crow]

Bane isn’t exactly dumb with venom.

[errant vault]

probs my 3rd favorite bat rogue

[trail elk]

For me I wanted it different, like if we had a trilogy each villain was challenging a different aspect

[errant vault]

no i mean different iterations

some just make him a dumb brute

[agile crow]

Batman and Robin movie

[trail elk]

One for intelligence, another physical, and another whatever but each challenged his philosophy

[errant vault]

honestly shark

ur idea of anton on steroids is pretty sick icl

[trail elk]

Yeah cause like

1. “I’m gonna break the bat” is kind of a dumbass motivation but if you spiced it up with the adage that he’s an overly principled maniac Ala Anton Chigurh following his own twisted compass
2. It makes it so that his mind reflects his body, he’s resolute, determined and unstoppable not just in flesh but also in heart “iron within, iron without”

[errant vault]

bruh ur cooking

[trail elk]

Could be a cool way to play with Batman too, he’s a hunter and the one that chases. But with Bane the hunter becomes the hunter

Hunted*

[errant vault]

bruh imagine bruce just chilling on a roof top minding his business

and suddenly a rpg rocket just hits right next to him

[agile crow]

There’s gonna be a Bane and Deathstroke movie in DCU.

Both are some of the most dangerous Batman rogues

[trail elk]

Bane with guns would be so cool, so heavy ordinances like the LMGs on tanks can’t be held by men so it needs to be mounted

But Bane uses his venom to carry munitions a man can’t

A walking tank

[agile crow]

He dodges worse things on a regular basis lol

[trail elk]

Maybe that was its original purpose, some cartel experiment for paramilitary or rebel cause and it also functioned as Punch-Max 9000

[errant vault]

dude i think the final battle could take place at an airport

[agile crow]

Dude can see bullets in slow mo btw

[errant vault]

ik but like i think itd be funny

ik batman is bullshit

[trail elk]

That’s way to cheesy

With fictional characters with different iterations you can get em to do anything

[errant vault]

honestly something i dont get w batman comics

how the fuck is joker so busted?

[trail elk]

Cause I’m sure there’s a version out there where Batman fist fights a god and that’s be dumb as shit

[errant vault]

especially scott snyder joker

scott snyder joker managed to solo the whole justice league

and has like 20 back up plans for everything

[agile crow]

He was already displaying low level superhuman feats prior dionosium amp and his physicals are even better from Rebirth era

[trail elk]

Yeah a good Batman movie or trilogy needs to be like

Isolated in its own thing

[agile crow]

That was prep

[trail elk]

Once you start adding Superman and stuff it’s like idk

[errant vault]

its bullshit prep tho

[trail elk]

Imagine the penguin show where Superman is just in the back

[errant vault]

like your telling me joker knows everything about everyone

[agile crow]

Yes

[errant vault]

thats stupid

[trail elk]

The jonkler

[errant vault]

le jonk

i love the joker but i hate it when he ends up sidelining every other villain just cuz hes the joker

[agile crow]

But Joker is only a threat to Batman psychologically. Like one of his goals is to break Batman’s moral code.

Otherwise he’s fodder

[trail elk]

I do not want to see a Batman where he’s dodging bullets and throwing cars

[agile crow]

And so are other rogues

[trail elk]

Like he can dodge bullets by idk looking and reacting to where the guy is punting his gun but

Miss me with deus ex Bruce

[agile crow]

That’s pretty much what Batman is capable of. Just say you prefer Nolan or Reeves Batman lol.

[errant vault]

i prefer reeves batman

[trail elk]

There is no “the Batman “ g

[agile crow]

Batman being a grounded character is such a myth.

[errant vault]

give me fucked up chemical bathed joker

[trail elk]

Cause there are alot of iterations where he isn’t

[agile crow]

The guy is a super genius with low level superhuman capabilities.

[errant vault]

and a incel twitch streamer riddler

[trail elk]

I prefer what they did with John wick where like if you really thought about it, he would be king dead with the stuff he got hit with

[errant vault]

idm batman being op

like the guys trained w the best of the best for a decade idc

[trail elk]

But visually it’s subtle enough where you can ignore it

[errant vault]

but when joker just goes full plot armor fan fic bullshit mode

it gets stupid

[agile crow]

Even other iterations tend to be OP

[errant vault]

like for example

the batman

[trail elk]

Yeah at a certain point when characters are just power fantasy porn it gets lame

[agile crow]

Even if you ignore mainstream Batman

[errant vault]

who laughs

[trail elk]

“Bro he can destroy the world with 1 finger” well that ain’t cool that’s just dumb

[agile crow]

Yeah he’s Batman without morals

[trail elk]

Cool design, cool idea; dogshit execution

[errant vault]

"you see batman i have been cooking for weeks, i actually infected the whole city and have found out where your cave is. Also im hiding under jim gordons bed and will kill him soon"

[trail elk]

Coulda been some edgy dope ass serial killer Batman but no he just had to be some inter galactic super threat like ok bro

[errant vault]

ik who the batman who laughs is

honestly i like the dark knights

[trail elk]

Was some random panel when Batman multiverse bullshit

And one of the designs was really cool

So they milked it

And he ended up mega darkseid

[agile crow]

Dark Nights: Metal showed that most of the versions of Batman are bad guys lol.

[errant vault]

i mean honestly i understood doomsday batman

[trail elk]

It’s like if Hollywood heard how people liked Pyg so they turned him into a world ending zombie god

[errant vault]

superman went apeshit and man just stepped up

brb imma go on my lunch break

[agile crow]

I’m tired of evil Superman bullshit

[storm mist]

did anyone notice how

The Penguin and Victor are like Batman and Robin

and Sofia and Julian are like Joker and Harley

||Harley worked in a facility where joker was and then she gets obsessed with his craziness. same happened with julian and sofia. i really love that||

[errant vault]

i didnt notice the joker and harley part

[agile crow]

Sofia is villainous version of Meadow Soprano and Alberto was a fuck up like AJ.

[agile crow]

So it was not scheduling conflicts https://fxtwitter.com/discussingfilm/status/1849121021896589700?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[errant vault]

bruh

you play a guy that strangles women

wdym

[errant vault]

why is ozs mom so cute man

[marsh night]

Um? What the fuck?🤣

[trail elk]

Now I know I signed on to play a sex trafficking criminal hegemon who strangled women and attempted to kill my own daughter but i could NOT see misogyny coming

[errant vault]

Ivr made a continuous lapse in judgement during this whole project

[agile crow]

Yeah weird shit

Carmine strangles Selina in the movie.

[agile crow]

I wonder if Rupert Thorne will be introduced as Penguin’s rival.

||In Batman TAS, Thorne was indirectly responsible for Dent’s scarring. Maybe they will go that route incase Maroni is killed off in the show.||

[agile crow]

Another strange thing he said. We see the character’s brutal nature on screen in the film.

[errant vault]

bruh

your character kills people off screen in the show too

th

[trail elk]

Penguin: *see’s a mauled face “Ahhhh my eyesss c’mon what are ya showwin oh my gooood”

Also Penguin: Two people being barbecued alive? Shieee daddy likes

[errant vault]

first one was him being disgusted as a henchman to falcone
2nd one is him reveling in the fact his dreams about to come true

still funny as fuck tho icl

[trail elk]

Woulda kinda funny if he was delighting in his sick acts

But when the fire went out and he saw the burnt skin and stuff he went “Aw fuck, hell no. Aight bro let’s bounce”

[errant vault]

imagine oz just seeing the burnt corpses and goin

"AW SHIT, STEVE START THE CAR. START THE DAMN CAR NOW"

while speed wobbling

[agile crow]

Creepiest version of Joker ever. I think Barry Keoghan will play a similar one in the sequels.

[errant vault]

Honestly i love the death of the family jokers design

The story is a lil meh tho

[agile crow]

https://www.comicbasics.com/john-turturros-the-penguin-remarks-prompt-reaction-from-showrunner-lauren-lefranc/

[trail elk]

Lowkey, wish we got a scene of Riddler's demise in prison in the show

Cause he literally shot Carmine, and everyone knows

Offing a mob boss like that ain't a casual thing lol, his capos and gang would be out for blood

Especially in the Falcone's case where they're blood relatives

Idk maybe just a nod atleast that like they had either bribed guards or insiders that killed riddler in a really gruesome way, to show how villainous the Falcones/mob are

[agile crow]

I think the Riddler is more dangerous than you think.

[agile crow]

If it’s as good as the Penguin, then we want more https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/s/93I9QgWHWm

[errant vault]

I mean i dont think the falcones were as close as a usual gang

If anything they probably hated each other, like carmine was the typa guy to find out his underboss was fucking his brothers wife and thought "hmmmmm i can use this"

Also i think riddlers got protection from joker or other arkham inmates

Plus they might see it as risky since if riddler dies his followers could start shit

[agile crow]

Yeah like Maroni said, they were bunch of disloyal fucks who didn’t give a crap about family.

Falcones are like anti Salamancas even though the latter were much more brutal.

[errant vault]

Oz is like an italian gus with emotions

[agile crow]

Yeah they don’t want to mess with Joker lol.

[agile crow]

He’s nothing like Gus

[errant vault]

Exactly

[agile crow]

Oz isn’t Italian either

I think they based his character on Tony Soprano and Al Capone.

But from a different ethnic background, hence he isn’t a made man.

[errant vault]

Oh

Hm makes sense

Honestly u love how much of a threat oz has become after the movies

Mans a literal cockroach

[agile crow]

He’s like Jimmy Conway/James Burke from Goodfellas.

An associate who worked for Falcone family. They can be non Italian. But Oz has adopted their culture and mannerisms.

[errant vault]

Oz is the typa guy that dosent need to call saul

[errant vault]

Yea makes sense

Reminds me how arkham oz isnt british

But went to a boarding school in the uk as a kid and adopted the accent

[agile crow]

Yeah

Arkham Oz was also based on Bob Hoskins’ character in the Long Good Friday.

[agile crow]

This is how Lalo described Jimmy.

[errant vault]

Exactly

[trail elk]

I mean that isnt all that different from real gangs either

[errant vault]

Yea but in verse we know theres a code to this

[trail elk]

Aight total tinfoil hat time

But the bout between Turturro and Franc

Makes it sound like the two had a personal falling out

So John left for those reasons

And theyre both trynna cover their asses

[agile crow]

Turturro is a great actor, but he seems like a pussy IRL.

The showrunner is a woman and dude said “Nah the violence against woman is too much for me”. She would’ve been like “It’s just a show and you’re just acting. It ain’t real life”.

[agile holly]

Excuse you?

Thats kinda toxic ngl.

You actors can have boundary’s and stuff right? What one actor might be ok with might not be ok with another, and that’s fine.

[trail elk]

At any rate, I don't imagine Turturro left for the reasons he stated

His character wasn't too different in the movie and what he said didn't really add up

Franc also hyping Strong up seemed intentional

So I think they had some personal clashes behind the scenes

Franc then had to explain and said scheduling conflicts, Turturro for whatever reason clapped back against it etc.

[agile crow]

Maybe they clashed because Turturro criticised the approach to his character?

[trail elk]

I'm always surprised how you never have any idea what folks trynna articulate lmao

Nah what I meant was like

Idk maybe had some personal spat

I doubt it was work related

That is if what im saying is even true, which is doubtful

[agile crow]

No this is is my point. Just theorising that he probably clashed because it had something to do with the character being very violent to women.

And LeFranc probably told him it’s just acting.

[trail elk]

Yeah but the vibe I got was

The violence against women thing was just something he made up

When news articles pointed to scheduling conflicts

Either he got insecure and felt that pointed to him as an irresponsible actor who didn't vet his contracts properly, or was petty enough that he wanted all the blame to go to France

Either way kinda sucked, Turturro's Falcone was really goated, Strong did well enough but not the same

[agile crow]

I think they both did great.

[errant vault]

i mean i dont mind him not coming back

[agile crow]

Mark Strong’s Falcone was a bit more stern.

[errant vault]

strong looks like a carmine thats 10 years younger

[trail elk]

I mean they did good performances both of them, but their personalities were really different

[errant vault]

i think it fit

[trail elk]

It's like if idk, you recasted Tywin Lannister with Anthony Hopkins mid season; they're both great older actors but totally different lol

[errant vault]

maybe carmine early on was more serious cuz of the shit going on w the maronis and probably being investigated

he seems more laid back since hes at the top of gotham in the modern day

that dosent fit tho

[trail elk]

Yeah thats what I tell myself to feel better, but honestly they coulda just dyed Turturro's hair n mustache to get that across

[agile crow]

Strong’s Falcone seems openly intimidating. Turturro’s portrayal doesn’t seem like an evil man initially.

[errant vault]

my head canon is that turturros falcone became more laid back as his power grew

probably got comfortable w being at the top controlling the city

[agile crow]

Strong’s Falcone doesn’t seem like the person who will be laid back.

[trail elk]

I preferred the more sinister and openly likable Falcone of Turturro's, kind of a Darth Sidious or Gustavo Fring vibe to it all; with Mr Krabs as Maroni for the openly strongman- so we got Falcone and Maroni two rival mob bosses that rule in different ways

[errant vault]

but that was while he still had enemies to deal with and the maronis were a thing still

maybe he was more serious to fight against sal and then became laid back once he won the war

[trail elk]

Its also the mannerisms and way they talked, Turturro sounded like a real person so it was much more believable that he were a mob boss

Like less cartoonishly evil

[errant vault]

i still prefer turturro falcone but strongs falcone fits a younger version

[trail elk]

For me Strong for me was just fine lol

[errant vault]

also the thing is

did we see strongs carmine outside of a business setting?

[trail elk]

Don't have problems with it, but it didn't blow me outta the park like the movie version

[errant vault]

cuz the 2 scenes hes in hes talking business w his daughter and then finds out she talked w the reporter

[agile crow]

We did. The dinner scene.

[errant vault]

yea but that still had business involved

w him talking abt sofia taking over the family in the future

[agile crow]

When was it other than business with these folks?

[errant vault]

i mean turturro in the movie came off as chill cuz he had allot of scenes w people outside of the business like selina and bruce

so he had no reason to just go full serious mode on them unlike w sofia

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-smilke-ok-then-doediedum-fake-friends-indian-sab-thik-hai-gif-22205966

Serious mdoe

[errant vault]

i think the transition woulda been smoother if we got a scene of him just chilling w oz

like maybe just buys him the suit after he tells him about sofia

[trail elk]

I never liked recasts anyway, even for time skips

But deepfakes are horrendous too

[errant vault]

like maybe he meets w oz after having a dinner w some gotham higher ups and is all charming and smiling there

[trail elk]

I think the only seemless recasts were for animated series where they can get a voice impersonator

Like Last Airbender's Iroh and Samurai Jack's Aku were recasted because the actor passed away

But the new VA did a very convincing impression

[errant vault]

yea but thats animated so you dont see the actors face

[trail elk]

Oh Godfather too

DeNiro's young uh

What was his name

Vito yeah

[errant vault]

yea

[trail elk]

DeNiro's young Vito and Brando's older Vito def looked like they would be the same person

[errant vault]

honestly i think what makes strong look out of place is how sofia and oz dont change that much after 10 years

also

u ready for ep 6?

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/ready-im-ready-running-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4184916

[agile holly]

Hell yeah

This is easily one of the best shows of the year

Hands down

I don’t mind Agatha all a along but it doesn’t hold a candle

I wish this Batman universe was part of the new DCU, but hey it is what it is.

[agile crow]

Robert De Niro was pretty much Brando’s successor in terms of acting style, so it helped.

[agile crow]

I bet it will be even better than the last one.

[lost marsh]

Was episode 5 released on Oct 18 in Australia? Two days before USA's release?

[jolly badge]

The penguin is literally me

[acoustic knoll]

no, the eps release at the same time

[agile crow]

Was reading Tom King’s Penguin series. They retconned his origin again.

It’s similar to the Reevesverse version except he’s an orphan who was brought up by a foster mother. Turns out Penguin was working under the Falcones as a bartender in the Iceberg Lounge. He provided information to Batman and the latter indirectly played a role in his rise.

Dude is so ruthless, he killed his own foster mother and had his daughter assassinated once they served his purpose.

[agile crow]

He’s also one of the villains who is aware of Batman’s real identity.

[errant vault]

i like this

allot better than the origin king gave him in the war of jokes and riddles where joker basically just appoints him as the ruler of the mobs

kings batman run fuckin sucks tho

[agile crow]

Yeah not a big fan

[errant vault]

bro when i saw he was involved as a writer in dcu i started sweatin

his justice league and batman runs r fuckin horrific

[agile crow]

It better not be Geoff Johns repeat

[trail elk]

Speaking of Joker he's not event remotely the same dude in any iteration, he started off as this maniacal mob boss, then ledger came round and made him a terrorist, then leto played a street thug, phoenix some knock off castro then we have koegen's serial killer

[agile crow]

They should’ve got Scott Snyder instead.

[errant vault]

i like keoghans version the most

[errant vault]

bro if scott "the joker tuah" snyder got involved joker would be the main overarching bad guy of the whole universe

[agile crow]

I mean Joker is the main overarching bad guy of the Batman universe

He’s the archenemy for a reason

[errant vault]

ik but

i dont like how big he is in snyders eyes if that makes sense

he basically just sidelines every other villain

[agile crow]

Snyder didn’t make him the the main villain of the entire DC multiverse though

I guess you didn’t read his JL run

But he did give Joker lot of importance in the Batman comics.

[errant vault]

he gave him too much importance in the batman comics icl

ik hes batmans arch nemesis but i hate it when every other main batman villain basically just becomes a pawn for jokers sake

btw did snyders jl run lead into dark knights metal or am i tripping?

[agile crow]

Metal is before, but in a way tied.

[errant vault]

uhuh

how good was the jl run?

[agile crow]

I liked it

[errant vault]

im only familiar w snyders batman stuff and im mixed on it

[agile crow]

The Perpetua arc

[agile crow]

You don’t like it due to the Joker? Court of Owls was amazing.

[errant vault]

i liked court of owls but death of the family and endgame were a mixed bag

same with zero year

[agile crow]

Snyder’s Joker was kinda like Hannibal Lecter.

[errant vault]

i hope keoghans joker is like hannibal lecter icl

would be cool if he just helped to inspire and make plans w other villains while staying in arkham

[agile crow]

He was also amped by Dionesium, which is why Joker was able to regenerate despite tearing his face off.

[agile crow]

I mean Keoghan’s Joker is probably influenced by Scott Snyder’s version. You wouldn’t like it.

[errant vault]

no i dont mean the overpowered "i know everything about everyone" bullshit

i just wanna go see a smart deranged psycho who can manipulate people

[trail elk]

Joker's my alltime no.1 rogue but

Ive just had enough for now

Need to see some of the other guys get the spotlight

Preferably in a really gruesome edgy way

@errant vault Have you seen Guardians of the Galaxy 3?

[trail elk]

Dude no cap, my perfect Joker woulda been just that- so like in a trilogy, the first 2 episodes have small scenes ala Hannibal x Batman, at the end of the 2nd one Joker does his le jonkler bullshit and breaks out

Setting up the final movie with him as the villain

[errant vault]

honestly i wouldnt mind if joker never broke out

and just kept causing chaos while locked up through helping other villains w their plans and shit

[trail elk]

Could even have the Joker escaping wearing someone's face if you were that shameless lmao

[errant vault]

wait thatd actually be smart lol

i think he might escape during the events of the 2nd film

[trail elk]

Yeah, thought about the idea for a while

And Harley helps him escape

You get snippets of him manipulating his doctor(s) (Harley)

[errant vault]

dude

imagine if the penguin show ends with sofia being put next to riddler and joker lol

[trail elk]

So you have Hannibal x Batman scenes across and also Harley origins, then ends off with Joker/Hannibal escape

[trail elk]

Rip

[errant vault]

honestly id prefer if harley was left out

shes getting overused just like le jonk

[trail elk]

Lowkeyyyyyyyy, yeah dont wanna see Joker again- Reeves can totally retcon and be like "Yeah nah that was Zsaaz the whole time 🤏 " lmao

[errant vault]

victors gonna be zsasz

bruh nvm

imagine if vic gents placed next to ed and joker

[trail elk]

yknow the whole harley craze all started with suicide squad, Zack Snyder really did like a huge fucking facelift for the character

like as bad as the movie was, the harley thing was actually visionary

punk rock psycho bae

[errant vault]

ik but im tired of her atm

2 movies a tv show and co leading in jokers movie

[trail elk]

oh yeah i didnt even see the new joker movie

ill get to it

just heard it was kinda bad so wasnt worth going to the theatres for it

[errant vault]

dude honestly

i hope we get a bunch of tv shows abt the other batman rogues before part 3 w joker drops

like give me a show abt dent or crane or pyg

[trail elk]

yeah lowkey, if penguin series ends satisfyingly

and the next show is someone else like

"coming to HBO Freeze" or some shit

thatd be rad

so long as its same quality

[errant vault]

id fucking scream without the s if we got a scarecrow show

about crane getting hired as a shrink at arkham and working under strange and slowly losing his sanity and growing a obsession with fear and control

[trail elk]

we only ever had that 1 live action scarecrow right

[errant vault]

yea

[trail elk]

whod your dream cast be

for crane

[errant vault]

probably david tennant

tho hes probs too old

[trail elk]

i wanna see a good constantine movie so bad

with Tim Roth

but yeah he's also too old

i heard in the comics constantine's main villain is this like

rival exorcist

but voodoo guy

so cool

[trail elk]

i feel like you could get really creative

with the cgi when the fear toxin hits

get someone like sam raimi style for the horror sequences

[errant vault]

my 2 other picks for crane

i think crane should be someone younger

like riddler, crane and joker are around bruces age

[trail elk]

my wet dream for batman series like like, a low stakes crime horror thriller- dont wanna see any bullshit nukes or city destroying events

just serial killers, corruption, mafia crime etc.

[errant vault]

bro imagine a se7en style batman movie

[trail elk]

ikrrrr

[errant vault]

focused on batman hunting pyg

[trail elk]

se7en style but with dope ass visual scenes with batman doing ninja shit

Batman coulda been that but they had to make it pg13

And also Hollywood being Hollywood it just had to end with a giant CGI flood sequence that affected the whole city

[errant vault]

i like the flood

gives a reason for bats to be busy during ozs rise

[trail elk]

idk you could wrote something

for those to have worked

without a giant flood

the flood felt more like a end of the trilogy type deal

[errant vault]

honestly the flood is a happy accident icl

helps w vics backstory and ties him into zsasz

[trail elk]

mean we dont know if its zaaz yet

one thing also bout the flood was like

batman had a really big moment

"i cant just be vengence, i must be a hero, a guiding light" ayo bro your doin it too soon, talk bout premature ejaculation

need me 1 more movie with dark ass edgy batman 👌

[errant vault]

it would be perfect if he was tho

like this is basically just his comic backstories realistic version

[trail elk]

i mean we'll see

but i have a feeling he'll prolly die

[errant vault]

if he dies ill be so annoyed

cuz bro would literally be perfect as zsasz

[trail elk]

yknow what they could do with vic

is similar with walter white

end of show he shaves his afro

and has scars n shit

total visual change

[errant vault]

bro

[trail elk]

like his head is shaved by guards when he enters arkham idfk

[errant vault]

what if the black gate staff shave it as part of the hygene regulations

[trail elk]

yeahhhhh

read my mind

[errant vault]

and we see the scar he got when he hit the steering wheel after he killed the maroni goon

but hear me out

his show backstory is a perfect parrarel to his comic backstory

[trail elk]

idek what his background deal is

just know he's a edgelord with cool design

which is good enough for me lol

[errant vault]

he loses his parents in a boating accident - they die in the flood
loses his sanity after losing all his money gambling w the penguin - he tries to take over w penguin and gets screwed over

in the comics he tries to end his life but a homeless person tries to mug him and he sees how worthless life is so he just kills him and starts killing people

could be like him trying to end his criminal life to live a normal life but gets dragged back in cuz he sees how worthless it is

[trail elk]

i can see it

[errant vault]

honestly how unlucky is gotham

one of their most infamous criminals that has killed hundreds of people was abt to end himself

and some fuckin homeless person mugs him and gives him the motivation to start killing people

[errant vault]

"Oswald cobb, what a guy" -bruce wayne

[trail elk]

Me looking at that ridiculous add monocole and tophat, monopoly man looking ass fit "What a little bitch" *gets shot

[errant vault]

This is probably what oz invisions himself as

A popular rich guy admired by women and liked by people

[trail elk]

I feel like in the first monologue

He had with Alfreto or whatever the fuck his name was

He was trynna aspire to be some DeNiro's Vito Corleone figure

Violent gangster but local hero

[errant vault]

Alberto

[trail elk]

Alfredo is a form of pasta lmfao

[errant vault]

Yea lol

[trail elk]

IMDB says

this ep is its highest rated ep

and its gonna drop soon

so ready for this shit

[humble apex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-the-penguin-i-wanna-see-the-penguin-i-want-to-see-the-penguin-gif-14771642703704929002

[trail elk]

Bale’s suit kinda sucked in hindsight

[twin pivot]

Episode 6 was again so good. First, some time has certainly passed as Oz already has quite a big Bliss operation going on, maybe weeks to months. Again, Oz relationship with his mother is fascinating to watch and that's his main achilles heel that Sofia is definitely gonna exploit later on. Victor also had his first kill this episode. Oz is kinda of a Robin hood figure too like him going after that politician for cutting power to Crown Point.

That whole Gold summit speech was fantastic from Oz, uniting the other gangs against Sofia and Sal. What is Sofia gonna do with the crowbar now??

[agile crow]

Another remarkable episode with brilliant performances from Colin Farrell, Deirdre O’Connell and Cristin Milioti. Victor has killed Squid in self-defense; nevertheless, he has completed his transformation into a proper gangster, and he might become even more violent. I would say the highlight of this episode was the scene between Oz and his mother. It was very well done and probably Colin Farrell’s best acting in the series so far.

I believe this is a reference to A Death in the Family, where Joker beats up Jason Todd with a crowbar. Will Victor end up sharing the same fate as Todd?

[agile crow]

Yeah lol. Oz has been despicable in the last few episodes, but in this one he’s back being a mobster with some moral code.

Also now we know that Rex Calabrese was helping out his family. I assume his father was an abusive man who ditched them.

Eve ratting out Oz was crazy. She’s a goner.

[agile crow]

Her surname is Karlo. I wonder if Eve is related to Basil Karlo, who is better known as Clayface. There were many rumours that he would be the main antagonist in Batman 2.

[safe spruce]

It looks like Craig Zobel is the best director in the whole show so far

[acoustic knoll]

he could, but not at that moment of that scene since sofia is definitely gonna exploit this weak point of Oz's

[trail elk]

Nooooooooooo

The fucking cliff hanger

😭

Watched this ep with americano, steak & fries. Simple pleasures of Monday evening

[mossy knoll]

Looks great

Anyways, what an episode

Its winter now and iirc there were reports that The Batman II was set in winter too

[trail elk]

Yeah just fantastic all around

[trail elk]

Reeves said the Batman 2 will take place only a few weeks after the end of Penguin

And did explictly mention it will be in winter

[mossy knoll]

Ahh nice

That episode end was just so ominous

[trail elk]

My standout scenes was when Vic shot squid, and the penguin speech

[mossy knoll]

I can see one of them biting the bullet (maybe both or Sofia does something else out of the box)

[mossy knoll]

That guy could have gotten a weekly salary if he just rolled along with it lol

[trail elk]

I was worried at first

That Vic would be the reason Sofia gets to their mom

[agile crow]

Good he killed Squid.

[trail elk]

Like he doesn't tie up loose ends

But he ended up shooting him in cold blood

[mossy knoll]

Also, goddamn that Arkham guy with Sophia is freaky haha

[trail elk]

Which was a relief

[trail elk]

Yeah that cold open went crazy "Oh ok, so they're fucking now..."

[mossy knoll]

I saw he had scratch marks close to his shoulders which were bloody

They were freaky af

[agile crow]

Rush character is pretty creepy

[trail elk]

Good for him ig, when he joined Sofia earlier I was like "Dawg this is a crime family, the fuck you gonna do to help? Aight your role is Sofia's sentient dildo i c"

[mossy knoll]

Oh, Sofia and Eve's scene was intense as well

[trail elk]

Fucking Eve, she sold him out for nothing 😭

[agile crow]

Eve is probably related to Clayface. They have the same surname.

[mossy knoll]

The polaroid photo of her in his drawer felt a bit contrived tho imo

[agile crow]

Killing off both Victor and Francis will be crazy.

[trail elk]

I mean sounds like something anyone would do

Didnt feel too contrived

What did lowkey for me were the Triads being in the "little gangsters" rally, like ok lol

But this iteration of triads are diff so its aight ig

[agile crow]

Do y’all think Maroni has the heart to harm an old lady like Mrs Cobb?

[mossy knoll]

True but with how prtective he is with his mom, you would think he would be more protective around his other close people but I guess Eve isn't much in his mind

[trail elk]

Idk what the fuck Squid was thinking trynna muscle up with Oz, like those are real gangsters not street thugs, idk what your play was homie, go up and threaten the guy? He'd have shot you on the spot lol

[trail elk]

Yeah? He's a gangster

[mossy knoll]

Yeah, dude could have just gotten easy money weekly if he just kept his mouth shout lol

[trail elk]

Also he was frustrated when he went to the apartment

Specifically cause he thought there wasn't some old lady he couldnt kill lol

[agile crow]

Maroni seems like someone who has a bit of morals.

[trail elk]

I mean ig he wasnt meant to be that smart anyway

[mossy knoll]

Yeah, street hustler with no brains

[trail elk]

Yeah but all gangsters do, thats not to say its the same as like actual morals

Like irl gangsters have a strong code against rats, meaning to snitching or talking to police or betraying your people but they were totally fine with killing children and elders

Same with Maroni, he cares about his family but thats not to say other peoples' families

[agile crow]

Even if Penguin killed his wife and son, he might have issues with killing an old woman. Sofia definitely wouldn’t mind.

Can see him kill Victor though.

[trail elk]

Maroni isn't going to morally grand stand lol

At this point I dont see a reason he'd betray Sofia

Other than money if things get to that

[mossy knoll]

The actress who plays Oz's mom, she was brilliant this episode

[trail elk]

Yeah, amazing actress

[mossy knoll]

Really sold her character's mental detoriation

[trail elk]

Facial emotes and even physical expression, really sold the dementia patient

Yeah

Read my mind

[agile crow]

Francis telling Oz to kill her if she succumbs fully to her illness. What a scene

[trail elk]

I really liked the speech at the rally, we saw the penguin in earnest

The future kingpin of Gotham