📺The Penguin

[trail elk]

his mental breakdown in lighthouse was so goated

[errant vault]

did u see the trailer for mickey 17?

[trail elk]

nah i tend to avoid trailers 💀

[errant vault]

bro has insane range in it

hes playing multiple people

[trail elk]

depp as riddler lol

jeremy irons was my fav alfred, bar none

[errant vault]

depp would go hard as the mad hatter icl

[tepid lintel]

I saw some reviewers said after the ending the penguin becomes top tv shows ever

[agile crow]

Do y’all think Burton will direct another Batman movie?

[errant vault]

uhhhh

probably not

[trail elk]

no?

[errant vault]

atleast not in the dcu

oh yea the guy that directed the flash is making the dcu batman movie

[errant vault]

wait

so ign is smoking crack?

[agile crow]

I’m not surprised. So far the Penguin is great.

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-ok-ok-ok-oh-ok-oh-okay-gif-18238573721271168162

i just looked up his profile, i mean... yeah ok

[errant vault]

i hope victor survives and becomes zsasz

[trail elk]

lol

[errant vault]

i love his character and it would be ironic

[agile crow]

Not anymore.

[tepid lintel]

Ign is the worst place to see thoughts about things

[errant vault]

wait what?

[trail elk]

i kinda wanna see a del torro gotham

like if we got a mini series with court of owls, del torro would go hard

[errant vault]

o btw

[agile crow]

Benicio del Toro will play Bane

[errant vault]

crack pot theory time but i think that carmine might have killed killer crocs mom

[tepid lintel]

Court of owls is too in the future for batman

[trail elk]

ur in too deep

😭

[errant vault]

hear me out

one of the victims last names was jones

yea thats abt it

[agile crow]

Doesn’t really matter. Introducing Court of Owls make sense

[trail elk]

idek what croc's deal is other than he's a crocodile lmao

[tepid lintel]

So in the ending killer croc will kill sofia???

[agile crow]

With the themes of the first film, it totally makes sense to bring up Court of Owls now

[errant vault]

nah i dont think so

honestly i dont think they will even introduce croc into the reeves verse

[agile crow]

Falcone probably wasn’t running Gotham alone. He had help and that’s where the Court comes along.

[trail elk]

imagine that penguin ends with a man-croc just appearing and mawing sofia "10/10, pure kino"-IGN

[errant vault]

cuz the riddler year one comic revealed that carmine literally disposes of his victims bodies by feeding em to a big ass crocodile

[tepid lintel]

After credits
Killer croc is come out of the dark behind sofia, “you killed my mother”
Black screen
The series ended

[errant vault]

dude

thats literally how one of the bad guys dies in the riddler comic

[tepid lintel]

How

[errant vault]

ill have to spoil the comics

does anyone mind?

[tepid lintel]

Its gine

Fine

[trail elk]

bold of u to assume anyone here can read

[errant vault]

ok so edward found out abt renewal and began spying on the guy in charge of the money

[agile crow]

I have already read it

[errant vault]

only to find out that he was stealing from carmine to support his daughter

so riddlers boss from work who is involved finds out and has the guy killed by feeding him to a crocodile he keeps inside of a pet shops basement

and at the end of the comic riddler helps out the dead guys daughter leave gotham but before she leaves he orders her to free the crocodile and then lures the guy that killed her dad into the basement

where the crocodile eats him

[trail elk]

i really wanna see batman taking on more grounded villains like zsaas, pyg etc. like really dark but "lower stakes"- i dont think we'll ever get a movie like that since its not as theatric

i went into the riddler movie expecting that but it ended in a giant explosion action sequence

[tepid lintel]

Yoo pygggg

[agile crow]

We’ve already seen too many grounded villains

[errant vault]

next movies probably gonna focus on strange as the main villain

[tepid lintel]

Pyg woyld be so good in the reeves universe

[trail elk]

he HAS to be r rated to be done justice tho

[errant vault]

i saw a report that itll be based on batman prey

[agile crow]

There were rumours that Clayface will be the next villain

[errant vault]

which is abt batman questioning his sanity while strange begins a smear campaign against him

[tepid lintel]

I want a series bout pyg when its like se7en, memories of murder and he is killing peoples really gorey and it would be r rated

[trail elk]

bro a se7en like pyg would be so hard

[tepid lintel]

Yes ong

[trail elk]

shit would be so narly

[tepid lintel]

Lemme direct it

[agile crow]

I think he will be introduced in one of the spin offs

[tepid lintel]

@matt reeves

[errant vault]

i would love a mix between se7en and dexter

like have pyg be a surgeon who is losing his sanity while tryna save people that were injured during the flood

[tepid lintel]

When is harvey coming ro the reeves universe

[errant vault]

and is slowly losing hope as the city gets worse cuz of it

[errant vault]

soon

[agile crow]

Funny considering Dexter Morgan is compared to Batman by the showrunner.

[errant vault]

apparently there are rumours that hell be staring in a legal drama

[trail elk]

i feel like reeves might avoid alot of the bale characters, give us ones we havent gotten yet

like riddler

[tepid lintel]

He is not saving them he is killing them for lust

[trail elk]

but homie had to shoehorn joker in there at the end (pain)

[errant vault]

no what if he tries to fix them

[tepid lintel]

And he would have a army of them

[trail elk]

yeah pyg's whole thing is he wants to make people, women, perfect; so he kidnaps them and does fucked up surgeries

[errant vault]

no what if he was a bit unstable from the start

and cuz of the floods he begins spiraling even more

like the sudden insurge of victims from the flood

plus his home life getting shitter cuz of it

and the surge in crime

like it just sets him over the edge and he snaps

and the show could be him slowly spiraling until he starts "fixing" people

[trail elk]

honestly id love an r rated pyg but we aint ever getting him lol, unless the movie ends with some goofy ass spectacle like pyg has army of cgi monsters

miss me with that

[agile crow]

In Arkham Knight, even the Joker hallucination was creeped out by Pyg.

[trail elk]

victims numbering in a dozen is the sweet spot, but for big screen they gotta amp it up

[errant vault]

what if he alters bliss to drug people with while he mutilates them?

[tepid lintel]

Batman got so much cool villains

[errant vault]

ye fr

[trail elk]

deadass

its cause like its more grounded n shit yknow

can be more creative

instead of all those ridiculous ass villains the other heroes have

[errant vault]

o btw i got a theory that crane was involved in creating bliss

[trail elk]

spiderman and batman got the cool bad guys

yeah i thought crane was involved in it too

[errant vault]

like he helped develop the formula and he will alter it into fear toxin

[agile crow]

Julian Sands is probably Crane?

[trail elk]

i was lowkey expecting it to be some adrenaline like LSD kinda thing, a minor scare toxin like meth

[errant vault]

like what if crane is stranges assistant and he begins getting fascinated with fear cuz of the inmates fear of batman or something

[tepid lintel]

I hope scarecrow made the bliss

[errant vault]

or he catches a glimpse of batman when he comes to arkham to confront strange during part 2

[errant vault]

in the comics i think bliss actually alters the users bodies

like it overworks them

[agile crow]

This theory could work considering Sands is involved with Sofia.

[trail elk]

are we that solid that strange is gonna be the villain for the 2nd movie?

[dark juniper]

Hot take

[errant vault]

could lead into strange getting his monster men

[dark juniper]

I too think that Batman villains are POS

[trail elk]

wild

[errant vault]

not rlly

just speculating shit

[trail elk]

rubes ur goin too far, joker is just misunderstood

[errant vault]

only rumoured one we got is clayface

[trail elk]

miss me with clay, but idk if they can make it work idk

[dark juniper]

Tbh I’m fairly confident it’ll be Court of Owls and someone else

[errant vault]

freeze is the most popular choice i think

[agile crow]

Bring in Clayface

[dark juniper]

Court Of Owls as the big bad, Clayface as a guy for Batman to track down and beat up

[agile crow]

Mr Freeze is too sympathetic as a villain

[errant vault]

i hope they hold off on the court for a bit

U FUCKIN SPOILED IT DIDNT U

[trail elk]

ngl most the really cool villains are off the list for the movie, at best theyll be secondary characters like penguin; the main villain has to be someone that ends with giant ass explosions n shit as hollywood demands

😭

[agile crow]

What does it imply

[errant vault]

honestly how did ruby get selected to go watch all of the penguin lol

[agile crow]

The main villain is Ruby Sunday. Miss Spoilers

[dark juniper]

Court Of Owls plotting their big purge from the comics, and you get Clayface in as their disguise-loving assassin

That’s my bet

[errant vault]

wait

what if part 2 is abt the court funding hush as he tries to smear bruce waynes name?

[trail elk]

ok if we get owl ninjas ill conceed

[agile crow]

The finale implies…

Continue the sentence

[dark juniper]

I don’t think they’ll do Hush, only cos it’s a very similar story to what Riddler ended up being

[errant vault]

dont spoiler the penguin pls

[trail elk]

yeah fr

[errant vault]

spoil

[dark juniper]

Finale doesn’t reveal anything lol (or does it)

[trail elk]

DM donnie for it, if you want LMFAO

[errant vault]

wait

BRUH

[agile crow]

Nah I was kidding. Don’t spoil

[errant vault]

HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE HAVE SEEN ALL THE EPISODES

[dark juniper]

Dw Zum I’m only teasing lol

[trail elk]

just rubes

[dark juniper]

Don’t wanna spoil anything

[errant vault]

oh my god

u better not

im calling wb if u do

[trail elk]

lucky ass hoe fr, my sad ass needs to wait every week for my fix

[errant vault]

atleast i got other stuff to watch while i wait

[trail elk]

like what

gimme some recommendations

[errant vault]

terrifier 3

[dark juniper]

Need to watch this

[trail elk]

what about ruby, she has good tastes i think

[errant vault]

plus could go watch some classic movies

[trail elk]

unlike donnie

[errant vault]

like fanny and alexander

[agile crow]

Lmfao irony

[trail elk]

aight its like 4am on my end, imma hit the rack

[errant vault]

gn punk

[agile crow]

Pretty sure almost everybody watched it

[errant vault]

i havent

[agile crow]

If you exclude casual cinema fans

[errant vault]

im lacking in allot of the big movies lol

[dark juniper]

What, in the world?

I’m not so sure tbf

I don’t wanna startle you, but the majority of people aren’t up to speed on their Bergman

Cool if you are tho

[agile crow]

Which cinema fans haven’t watched Bergman

[errant vault]

i havent

[dark juniper]

Donnie girl, don’t be a gatekeeper

[errant vault]

havent even seen the 7th seal lol

[dark juniper]

Cinema Fan =/= seen every film

[trail elk]

Aight I’m in bed on my phone, time to cyber bully Donnie

I’m kiiiiiddddddiiiing I love you homes uwu

[agile crow]

I’m not referring to casual movie goers.

[trail elk]

I found out I wasn’t a cinema fan when I tried to watch citizen Kane and turned it off from shear boredom

[agile crow]

I’m referring to people like in the movie channel of this server for example.

[dark juniper]

So in your mind, anyone who hasn’t covered the filmography of Bergman is by default a casual movie goer

Imo there are levels

And blind spots

That’s fine, no one has watched everything

[errant vault]

yk what

just so i can be on donnies level

donnie give me all the directors a cinephile needs to know

[dark juniper]

Oh shit is Zum about to become a true cinephile

[agile crow]

Tbh Bergman is like a starter pack for any cinephile

He’s not some obscure filmmaker lol

[errant vault]

hell ill even go through the 1k movies list just to make sure i have that honor

[dark juniper]

That’s the most pretentious thing I’ve read in a few days ty

[errant vault]

OH FUCK

bruh

i forgot lmfao

[trail elk]

Meanwhile me who doesn’t even know what the hell a Bergman is, my god I’m so based

[dark juniper]

Never said that bestie

[errant vault]

i should have been doing a movie challenge this month

and tried to go through 300 horror movies

[agile crow]

Rookie

[errant vault]

ill start it tomorrow

[dark juniper]

If someone said to me “I want to get into film”, Fanny & Alexander isn’t going in the starter pack

At most, Seventh Seal gets in

[agile crow]

You serious? Sharkpunk

[trail elk]

My g you’re the guy who doesn’t have an original thought

It’s all like copy paste opinions from right-leaning YouTubers lol

[errant vault]

donnie go send me a directors list to go through rn

ill make u proud don

tho be warned ill probs go and draw while i watch some of them

i usually doodle while i watch movies lol

[trail elk]

I need to see 12 angry men and schindlers list

[dark juniper]

The starter pack is like, Hitchcock, Kubrick and Scorsese.

[errant vault]

wait u havent seen 12 angry men?

lucky

[trail elk]

Noooooo but I’m gonna

[dark juniper]

You don’t show Fanny & Alexander to someone who has never seen a film before 2000 as a “starter pack”

Unless you’re gatekeeping

[errant vault]

u lucky bastard

[trail elk]

I never had much of a chance to see a lot of the classics when I was younger, had to see godfather a couple years back for the first time

[errant vault]

12 angry men is one of my fav movies

[trail elk]

Oh yeah heard it’s gonna be a ride

[dark juniper]

Great movie btw, you’ll really like it

Outstanding screenplay

[errant vault]

honestly my fav movie lists been changing allot lol

[agile crow]

Lol you don’t know what you’re talking about half of the time. By the way you didn’t come up with that Hangman theory.

[errant vault]

at first the dark knight was my fav movie of all time

then the batman 2022

and now its the long good friday

[trail elk]

Oh I saw the pianist recently, the first half was really good: the inhumane treatment and stuff made me like physically sick

[trail elk]

That’s crazy bro, too long didn’t read

[errant vault]

i saw all the presidents men yesterday, loved it

[agile crow]

Watch whatever you want. If you’re watching Bergman, good for you. It’s just movies, not some important thing or anything.

[trail elk]

Yeah it’s wild how the bake joker movie still holds up

For being like a super hero movie

[dark juniper]

Ingmar Bergman walked so Todd Phillips could run

https://tenor.com/view/joler-the-joker-arthur-fleck-batman-dc-gif-14275570418509274162

[errant vault]

good

honestly i fr just wanna be a cinephile for some reason

even tho i aint really obsessed w cinema, i just like movies

[dark juniper]

Imo taking it slow is the right call

Don’t dive straight into the arthouse legends

[errant vault]

and i have these periods where i try to just binge allot and that just ends up in me blending it all together and getting a surface level take

[dark juniper]

You’ll just burn out and won’t get to appreciate em properly

[trail elk]

Irishman, there will be blood, hateful eight- those kinds of super slow dialogue films, I’m a huge sucker for

[dark juniper]

Uh

[trail elk]

Not too slow, like fast but dialogue

[dark juniper]

Are we calling those movies slow

Ok fair

[agile crow]

Slow for Sharkpunk

[trail elk]

Yeah nah I meant like as opposed to theatrics

What was that one Korean horro film

The one with the disease

The wailing I think, that was too slow for me

[errant vault]

did it have zombies on a train?

[agile crow]

Have you watched Deranged?

[trail elk]

No that’s train to bus an

The wailing was like 3hrs of slow camera close ups lmao

Half the time people didn’t even talk

[errant vault]

i gtg see the wailing icl

honestly im considering just watching one movie

and reading reviews on it to form my opinion

and then moving onto another

[trail elk]

One of my hobbies is like cuddling with girlfriends and watching horror on the laptop but that was just bruh

I remember I was watching the Dahmer series and she got touchy I was like “Ayo chill this is getting interesting”

[errant vault]

"hey babe chill out i got a story to follow"

[trail elk]

Ongod

[agile crow]

What type of movies do you usually watch?

[errant vault]

reminds me of this one guy who went to the theater to hook up w his gf and ended up just sitting there w her cuz they both got too invested in the film

[dark juniper]

It you want to watch real cinema, might I recommend Mission Impossible 7: Dead Reckoning: Part 1

Superb film

One of the best of our time

[errant vault]

honestly idrk

action and horror

[dark juniper]

Sadly overlooked

[errant vault]

mostly just body horror and slashers

[trail elk]

Oh prolly the best vibe? I was at my friends house when I saw godfather, just tearing cigs and drinking whiskey- the bar aroma really set the atmosphere for watching that film

[agile crow]

I need watch the Substance

[trail elk]

Never thought you of all people would call an action film a goat

[dark juniper]

Mission Impossible is no action film, it’s an audiovisual experience

Idk if you know but Tom Cruise drives a bike off a cliff onto a train

That’s very important to me

[agile crow]

What’s your favourite F&F movie

[dark juniper]

Never seen em

[trail elk]

The moment I realized I was truly mature was as a kid saw that movie with Stallone, Arnie etc where they were riding a tank in the sky on a parachute and just went “what the actual fuck”

Innocence lost

[dark juniper]

I’m not a Mission Impossible girly for the explosions, I’m in it cos I genuinely think they’re as close to practical spectacle driven cinema as we’ve got rn

Tom Cruise has said Buster Keaton is his big influence

He’s a properly dynamic physical performer

[trail elk]

I’ll check it out, I liked mad max for that reason

[dark juniper]

I think Mission Impossible is quality, and I think Fanny & Alexander is quality

Both can be true

(Now, if Tom Cruise was in Fanny & Alexander…)

[trail elk]

I’m sorry…. 5hrs?

[errant vault]

holy fuck

[agile crow]

Tom Cruise will be doing more artistic films again.

[trail elk]

That is a lot of bathroom breaks…

[dark juniper]

Oh also ignore Donnie and don’t start with F&A lol

If you’re doing Bergman, start with Seventh Seal or Persona

[agile crow]

I never told him. Scroll up

[trail elk]

I’m not gonna be some pretentious dork trynna be sigma cinephile lol

[dark juniper]

Mission Impossible 7: Dead Reckoning: Part 1 is arthouse actually

[dark juniper]

Idm

[errant vault]

uhm actually

[trail elk]

What

[dark juniper]

There’s a bit with close up magic and Tom Cruise does that fr

[errant vault]

yea fuck it imma go through some classical directors and make me opinions

[agile crow]

Look up. I told him to watch whatever you want.

[dark juniper]

Idm

[dark juniper]

Start with Hitchcock, Scorsese or Kubrick

[errant vault]

imma go add bergman on there too cuz im interested

ait cyall in a bit

[dark juniper]

You unlock Welles and Bergman after you’ve seen one of each

It’s like video game levels

[trail elk]

💅

[dark juniper]

You get Kurosawa as a pre-order bonus

[trail elk]

The tutorial is Michael bae and zack Snyder lmfao

[agile crow]

Punk’s fav directors

[trail elk]

Yesssirrr

[agile crow]

The Rock is dope

[dark juniper]

Lmao

[marsh night]

Hard agree

Those movies fuck hard

[dark juniper]

Right??

[trail elk]

I do unironically love Snyder for 300 alone, that has a special place in my heart. Saw it as a kid like a loooong time ago, never felt that much adrenaline

[marsh night]

Fallout had me on the edge of my seat

[agile crow]

Dead Reckoning was good. I don’t get the hate

[dark juniper]

Cruise is to action what Spielberg is to fantasy

Imbuing scoffed-at genres with genuine cinematic merit

[marsh night]

I remember my parents forced me out the house for a vacation with no internet and all I had were the first three mission impossible CDs that I found in my Dad’s car so I watched those for the first time, core memory

[dark juniper]

That’s so cool

What a discovery lol

[trail elk]

Same happened to me except I found jackass

I miss those days tbh, to watch movies you went to the DVD store

[marsh night]

Don’t we all

[trail elk]

Usually pirated merchants in some shady stall

#poorcountrygang

[agile crow]

Which country

[trail elk]

I’m Mongolian but moved around as a kid

[marsh night]

I remember my naive ass buying X Men Origins from a shady stall because he told me he got it early and it was that infamous leaked version

[trail elk]

What was that like

[agile crow]

Genghis Khan

[marsh night]

Better than the original version xdd

[trail elk]

Was it a porno

Lmao aight

[marsh night]

No it was that leaked version where the third act was basically a green screen with wires

[trail elk]

Amazing

[agile crow]

I watched X-Men origins like that as a kid. Watched it on brother’s laptop.

[trail elk]

Thing was I knew English and sometimes the movies came with a language dub, and by dub it was literally just people speaking over the English audio

God those sucked

[marsh night]

Some of Mission Impossible 8 was filmed in my country so I’m hoping Tom Cruise comes back for a premiere screening. That would be awesome

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/batsource1/status/1845869055833756092?s=61&t=LdPTCN1VT2Ri8_IKc3oUUw

[dark juniper]

Great year for TV btw

Emmys next year should be a blast, especially with The Last Of Us and White Lotus still to come

[agile crow]

I’m looking forward to McQuarrie and Cruise’s next project. Heard his role will be similar to the one from Collateral.

[marsh night]

The Bear is still going to win 😭

I need to watch Sweetpea

[agile crow]

Penguin should sweep the Emmys

[marsh night]

Ella Purnell is my wife btw

[agile crow]

I watched the first episode. Kinda good

[dark juniper]

If it runs Limited, it’ll be up against Disclaimer which really blew me away

[marsh night]

Did my boy Alfonso cook?

[dark juniper]

If it runs Drama, it’s up against TLOU and White Lotus

[dark juniper]

For me, absolutely

[marsh night]

Directed arguably the best HP

[dark juniper]

It’s my favourite project of his since Children Of Men

The way it builds and subverts, genuinely knocked me for six

It’s such a ride

(And stupidly beautiful for TV)

[agile crow]

Haven’t watched Disclaimer yet

[marsh night]

Speaking of beautiful, I just watched The Peasants in cinemas

Not the best story but so gorgeous

[agile crow]

I’m curious about Vince Gilligan’s next project which stars Rhea Seehorn.

[dark juniper]

Haven’t seen it yet, must put it on the list!

[dark juniper]

Saaaaaame

[cedar prairie]

I loved mark strong's performance but is he supposed to be a younger Carmine?

[marsh night]

ye

[cedar prairie]

Its not exactly like the cinematic version

[marsh night]

it's like 10 years before The Batman

not a very young version I guess

[cedar prairie]

Johns version felt more coniving.

[marsh night]

Meh, I’ll let it slide. The character is dead

[summer cypress]

Cristin Milioti performance in Ep 4 was incredible.

[acoustic knoll]

no hes just meant to be falcone in place of John

the first ep showed a pic of mark strong falcone in a news report instead of john's

[summer cypress]

Yes and no. Mark Strong plays Falcone in the show since John Turturro couldn’t do it. But. those Falcone scenes are 10 years prior to present day, so he’s technically the younger version lol

Idk I thought Mark Strong’s performance was pretty good and he honestly looks like John’s Falcone

I wonder what Batman’s doing/thinking though 😂 Like the entire Falcone family just got wiped out

[errant vault]

Yea honestly he better get involved

[agile crow]

Probably busy running Wayne Enterprises.

[errant vault]

Yea and running around crown point

[agile crow]

Batman could run Gotham if he wanted to lol

[errant vault]

yea i dont get why bruce dosent just monopolize all of gotham to fix the city

i mean i get why but still

would like an elseworld story abt bruce going mad tryna go fix gotham and the rest of the world of crime

[trail elk]

Ok head fan story time, a small frankenstein of like

Joker's Thomas Wayne, where the Waynes were not good folk, wealthy aristocratic and disconnected like the Koche brothers, Rothschilds or something

With Bruce being different

Then you have some weird secret society of old white people which they were apart of, The Court of Owls. Give them this like Jordan Peele's "Get Out" or Handmaiden's tale kind of vibe

Which are the original land owners of Gotham harkening back to the American Civil War, Revolution, Salem etc. era

[summer cypress]

Wouldn’t work nor would it be that easy. The entire city is corrupted.

It’s not like Batman could hire an entire new government in Gotham to get rid of all the bad people.

[trail elk]

As with most places like that, its also the fact that the poor people are also part of the problem

[summer cypress]

There’s corruption in every sector of Gotham. If the entire city embezzles money, what would happen if you threw money at it

[trail elk]

Its not like he can change the minds of the millions of inhabitants

People in the city are generally selfish, bad, or whatever; the wealthy are just the ones that won

[errant vault]

would be more helpful than just training the whole day to beat people up at night

[errant vault]

btw

i wonder how arkham is layed out

since it seems like the most dangerous prisoners are probably kept nearest to the guards

w the riddler and joker being super close

and their cells are right infront of where the guards sit around and watch the tv at

[agile crow]

Are we talking about Reevesverse or in general?

Evil version of Batman have dominated the DC multiverse via prep.

He also knows how to destroy it. Superman wasn’t wrong when he said Batman is one of the most dangerous beings out there.

[errant vault]

Superman fr considers bats the most dangerous man on earth

I genuinely dont get how they can wank him to be some near godly being who can wreck the whole planet when he goes over the edge

Yet cant deal w 1 cities corruption

Like mans canonically one of the richest if not the richest person on the planet

And yet he just lets other people manage the company while he spends most of his day training himself to beat up criminals at night

[glossy lava]

The last two eps have been such a MAJOR improvement over the first two it’s insane

[glossy lava]

Beyond excited to start that soon

[errant vault]

Apparently this isnt even sofias best episode

And the show gets even better

[agile crow]

It’s not that he can’t deal with their corruption. He could if he’s willing to abandon his moral code.

Hell, even the Titans TV series shows this in Nightwing’s dream which was manipulated by Trigon. When Batman goes rogue, dude pretty much kills everyone in Arkham.

Like I said earlier, Batman could rule Gotham as a dictator if he wanted to.

[errant vault]

Yk what i dont get

Why dont the cops just "accidentally" unload their whole mags into the more dangerous villains after they arrest them

Like ik bats is against murder but youd think some random corrupt cop would just shoot joker in the head while hes cuffed in the backseat after batman is done beating on him

[agile crow]

Also, Gotham’s criminal activities pretty much reduced significantly when Batman came into the picture. He’s getting the job done despite his “No kill” rule.

He’s still feared by everyone

[errant vault]

Fr?

Yea nvm there are probs stories where the crime rate drops

Im just used to batman doing fuck all in the grand scheme of things

[agile crow]

The fact he can induce fear without killing someone is pretty unique.

[errant vault]

I think its canon that bruce likes having the criminals glaze his legend a bit

Like just scare the shit outta them and then they go tell their friends abt him

[agile crow]

People like Falcone induce fear by murdering someone. Batman can do that with his presence alone.

The opening of the Batman is basically that

[errant vault]

Yea

[agile crow]

I mean that’s part of his shtick. He uses fear as a tool.

[errant vault]

Yk i sometimes wonder how tf bruce hasnt accidentally killed someone

Like in the opening of the batman at the train stop he legit punches a guys head against the floor multiple times

Like id be shocked if man wasnt in a coma for a while after that

[agile crow]

That’s what you get when Batman doesn’t hold back his punches

Then Battinson eventually does become more heroic in the end. That’s the character development.

[errant vault]

Dude idk why but the mental image of bruce just randomly jumping some petty thief in crown point rn while the penguin is in the middle of a gang war is hilarious

[agile crow]

I will be really surprised if Batman doesn’t do stuff off screen

[errant vault]

Im assuming bruce is just too rekt rn to deal w the penguins shit

Mans probably living in crown point atp just camping in some random base running around tryna solve 9 different murders daily

[agile crow]

Bruce should remind them who’s the boss of Gotham

[errant vault]

I hope hes doing something to effect the gang war rn

Would be hilarious is hes just out of the loop and only learns abt it in part 2

Like man comes back to wayne manor after 2 weeks of no lifing the rising crime rate and tryna save people and just sees that the whole falcone family is dead and penguins running crime

[agile crow]

After episode 4, the Penguin has become such an unsympathetic character.

The way he begged for mercy. He’s a snivelling pussy and a despicable creature. I never expected they will go this route.

Who would’ve thought Sofia would be the victim

||Just a theory, but now I think Oz probably killed his brothers out of jealousy. He will try to do the same with Victor.||

[errant vault]

I loved how they made a devito penguin reference by having his spit get all dark and gross when sofia is zoning out

[agile crow]

It’s simple, we kill the Penguin.

Colin Farrell said something along the lines that he would be surprised if people still sympathised with Oz after further episodes.

[trail elk]

Its one of the reasons I prefer Batman in his own universe

Than a shared one

Also a batman's no kill rule is a little campy, but there are some cool ways to work with it

For me atleast

I vibe alot more with like Rorschach from watchmen, punisher, ghost rider n shit

Snyder's Batman was a giant hit or miss for me in that regard lol, like when he was going around machine gunning gangsters in his spaceship I was like "bruh"

But in the more gritty grounded scenes when he like captured this sex trafficker and kidnapper then branded him

Which lead to him being lynched in prison

And appearently thats something Batman does now

I was like "thats so fucking cool"

[errant vault]

I hated the branding bit personally

Like probs just being a bit too much of a fanboy but i hate it whenever batman willingly causes someone to die in his movies

Thats one of my gripes w the keaton and bale batmen

[trail elk]

i think keaton's was just a meme classic cause its so old

i dont kill
literally blows him up

arnie's mr freeze lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J03LsclqPUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN9icwiN6io

[errant vault]

Dont forget the time keaton set one of pinguins henchmen on fire

[trail elk]

This kinda vibe would fuck hard with Batman, for me anyway

[errant vault]

Penguin

[trail elk]

Se7en or Rorshach sorta style and vibe

[errant vault]

Would go hard for a pyg movie

Or a zsasz movie

[trail elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LizbFqOmbc8

[trail elk]

Pyg, Zsaas, Killer Croc, Solomon Grundy

[errant vault]

Eh, ngl grundy seems a bit too low profile to be a main villain in a movie

[trail elk]

Yeah but secondary villain could work maybe

Idk maybe have crorc, grundy, clayface or some shit as like a physical secondary B plot

And have another as a psychological/intellectual A plot like riddler, joker, hugo or somethin

[errant vault]

Dude yk i just pictured this

The mob hires zsasz to take car of batman while hes in his early days

And the movie is basically just batman coping w how dark shits getting w his war on crime and him trying to stop zsasz who is becomimg more and more extreme whole trying to take him out

Basically the dark knight mixed w se7en

[trail elk]

Yeah, and Batman driven insane with his no kill rule

And he manages in the end maybe but is left like depressed and grim

And thats how we got dark edgy batman

[errant vault]

What if he has to choose between saving zsasz or someone else

Like zsasz is easier to save but someone else is in danger in a spot thats hard to get to

[trail elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32GFtemOwoo

I liked some snippets of Snyder's Bat

"It saved us, a devil" i just wet myself

[errant vault]

I like snyder bats design(best batsuit) and his moments w alfred

[trail elk]

I mean it could work but

[errant vault]

The killing and use of guns sucked

[trail elk]

I cant see a situation where Batman goes out of his way to save a serial killer without it looking a little dumb 🤏

[errant vault]

What if hes fighting zsasz in a burning building

And he knocks him out

[agile crow]

The branding is cringe lol

[errant vault]

And then realizes theres a civilian in danger in one of the upper floors

Which is burning and filled w smoke

Does he just leave zsasz to burn to death or go save the civilian

[agile crow]

Victor being Zsasz will be crazy

[errant vault]

Would fit the story tho

First sofia gets betrayed by her father and sent to arkham

[agile crow]

It works for sure.

[errant vault]

And now oz betrays his son basically and sends him to arkham to take the fall for his crimes

[agile crow]

Yeah, that’s better than killing him off. But I guess they would like to cast a more well known actor to play Zsasz.

[errant vault]

Tbh hot take but zsasz is sort of a b grade villain

Bordering on c lister

[trail elk]

idk, id like a film franchise of like b listers and c listers

but you cant have that for blockbusters

[errant vault]

Like i dont think they will need some well known guy to play him since hes pretty niche to the general audience

Nvm he showed up in the birds of prey movie

Tho there he was just some fodder henchman

[trail elk]

riddler just turning out to be a serial killer woulda been cool but they just had to add a giant cgi explosion action sequence at the end

*serial killer whose actions led to ripple effects in the criminal and political world

[errant vault]

Honestly how the fuck did riddler even get the explosives

[agile crow]

His flood plan was dumb af

[trail elk]

he was also in the gotham show, that one was kinda cool

[errant vault]

Did he go buy em w his followers donations or something

[errant vault]

Yea he was penguins hitman in it i think

[trail elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKhRNIYpnQo

[agile crow]

I hated that show

[trail elk]

the actor was good, the plot less so lol

[errant vault]

Bro yk damn well there are probably just a few streams of ed driving the vans to where they gotta be

[trail elk]

penguin's actor in gotham woulda made a good zsaaz too

[errant vault]

Yea fr

Imma give the actor a shot

He had me doubting him early but guy can act

[trail elk]

the show honestly had a really good cast of actors, but the showrunners were on crack

[errant vault]

I ment vics actor in the penguin

[agile crow]

He’s smart. Not all that difficult to build those explosives.

[errant vault]

But to get the resources to build multiple of them tho

Like whats the guys pay?

[trail elk]

the movie didnt really give much of a damn to explosives, batman with his face exposed and alfred with normal clothes wouldnt survive a bomb at point blank lmao

and the size of riddler's explosion, from a van; like what did bro use, military grade warheads?

[errant vault]

Ok w batman atleast he raised his arms before the explosive went off

Idk how tf alfred didnt get most of his body burnt

[trail elk]

it was fine, made no sense but thats secondary tbh

to plot and visuals

[errant vault]

Honestly i wonder how bruce explained him being gone for an hour after alfred got blasted

[trail elk]

alfred's explosion in isolation was really cool the way it was edited, batman's suspense when driving and then the reveal the two scene sequences weren't like

happening same time

[errant vault]

Cuz like man fr needed to go into the batcave, park his car, take off the batsuit and them go talk w the cops

[trail elk]

"something really bad is about to happen"
"it already has"
kino

[errant vault]

Yea but in hindsight some stiff seems sus

Stuff

[trail elk]

i kinda gave up on that front already

[errant vault]

Nitpicks tho

[trail elk]

cape and exposed face doesnt make sense at all

but its gotta be there

for the style 🗣️

[errant vault]

I think the exposed face is there to give bruce more breathing room

If the mask was closed off he wouldnt be getting enough air w how much hes moving and jumping

[trail elk]

its the fighting part but also identity

who could this be, guess we'll never know

[agile crow]

You shocked that Batman survived the blast?

[trail elk]

no, just an example of how realism takes a backseat in these movies

and its fine

[errant vault]

Yk i had that thought when the whole gcpd was inside riddlers apartment

ANd the wall was plastered w bruce wayne and batman pics

[trail elk]

haha

[errant vault]

And nobody thought "hmmmmm interesting"

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[errant vault]

"Yk these guys got sorta similar jawlines"

[trail elk]

exact height and weight of the city's most famous person, same voice not even a voice modulator like batfleck, literally next to his own poster
"a mystery indead"

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[agile crow]

It’s hinted that Riddler figured out Batman’s identity.

[trail elk]

Nah

It was an editing play

He said Bruce so audience thought he figured it out

So get movie watchers and Batman afraid, then go "oh ok phew"

[errant vault]

Yk damn well gordon was by the bat signal pondering what batman ment when he said riddler was gonna expose him

AFter lookin at like 50 different pictures of batman and bruce side by side

[agile crow]

I like how in Arkham Knight, Riddler refuses to believe Batman is Bruce Wayne.

[trail elk]

I think Carmine figured it out too, they said he never forgets a face when upclose with Bruce

Then his eyes flashed when he was dying in Bats arms

[errant vault]

hits the pipe
"I dont think ill ever know batmans true identity"

"Was nice seeing that chill lovable guy bruce wayne at the funeral last week tho"

[trail elk]

I mean Gordon knowing might make sense, aside the fact of how obvious it is, he's also known in a few iterations and him being a detective and all that

Makes narrative sense

[agile crow]

Do y’all think Oz would’ve shot Carmine, if it wasn’t for the Riddler?

He’s an impulsive character

[errant vault]

Probably not

[trail elk]

Idk, either way woulda worked; infront of an army of cops? No way tho

[errant vault]

Hes impulsive but he aint impulsive enough to shoot a guy infront of like 40 cops

[trail elk]

With Alberto it made sense cause he was in private

[errant vault]

Yea same

Plus he mentioned to bruce abt the time he saw him looking down from the stairs

[agile crow]

For the audience it’s obvious, but that’s not the case inside his universe. Batman is great at hiding his identity unlike other superheroes.

[errant vault]

I mean

[trail elk]

Idk what ur sayin fam, sry

[errant vault]

It sorta gets stupid when you have a wall of pictures of both bruce wayne and batman side by side

And not a single cop goes "hmmm now hear me out"

[trail elk]

Yeah thats what I meant as realism, like surviving explosions, staying secret; its stupid in other movies, but you gotta roll with it for super hero genres

[errant vault]

Yea

Also i have a theory

Bruce was trying to be more active during like year 1

But had an attempt on his life carried out by the joker

[agile crow]

They can’t imagine someone like Bruce Wayne being Batman

[errant vault]

Cuz one of the news clippings of bruce wayne has a figure smiling in the background

[trail elk]

The dressing as a bat thing is also fucking stupid lmfao, "what is this goofy ahh man doin"

Or like how someone else pointed out, Bruce is better equipped to handle crime than a literal street ninja but

Batmans cool so its ok

[agile crow]

Why would the richest man in the world waste his time up as a deranged Bat like vigilante and fight crime?

[trail elk]

Ur thinking too deep Donnie

[agile crow]

Their perception of Bruce Wayne is a spoilt playboy who doesn’t give a crap about other people

[trail elk]

It all started as a graphic novel for kids in the early 1900s, it aint that deep lol

[errant vault]

Yea but like

[agile crow]

I wasn’t addressing this to you. It’s what the people of Gotham believes.

[errant vault]

Isnt reeves verse batman a big ass recluse?

Like people fr make news reports and the guy just being spotted outside of wayne manor and shit

[trail elk]

The point is that it wouldnt make sense realistically, like that wouldnt happen, but thats fine

[agile crow]

He is, but I assume in the sequel maybe his playboy persona will be a thing for the public

[trail elk]

Reeves Bruce was really cool, like what they did with Batman and Bruce at the club

Batman couldnt get in

[errant vault]

I think bruce was more social early on as batman but became a recluse after the joked tried killing him in public

[trail elk]

But folk were shitting themselves when Bruce showed up

[errant vault]

like tf man jonks just there chilling behind him

[agile crow]

Nah

[errant vault]

i just remembered

some people dont even know what bruce looks like

like oz and the guy bruce talked w during the funeral

[trail elk]

Lowkey idgaf, none of it makese sense when you try to explain it

Suspension of disbelief and all that

[errant vault]

yea fair enough

i still love the 2022 movie

its my fav batman movie

[agile crow]

Tbh this scene was very solid. https://youtu.be/-kC4XJSA-cw?si=fzeJZ_rtS5J600x_

[errant vault]

just find some bits odd

[trail elk]

Yeah its prolly me second fav batman mobie

Behind Nolan's Joker one

though this Batman won out in the style department

Affleck's voice and suit, Ledger's Joker, Nolan's twists and plot with Reeves' style and atmosphere

Something people pointed out was that Reeves Batman took place entirely at night which did wonders setting the tone

[errant vault]

Hollup

So the scene of bruce talking w carmine

To him stopping riddlers followers

Took place over the span of 1 night?

[trail elk]

Uh, no

[errant vault]

Was there sunlight when he talked w selina

[trail elk]

But everything just happened to take place during night

Lol

Yeah or the bomb scene at the funeral was also morning or day

[errant vault]

We know that the riddlers attack happened on november 5th

[trail elk]

I wanna see a Gotham with a buncha spooky ass gargoyles, so Batman can do his iconic silhoutte come to life- its so dumb but so cool

[errant vault]

And we saw the sun and daylight like 4 times

November 1st was when bruce came back from the mayors murder scene and was eating the berries while chilling w alfred

Then a day passed after he talked w selina

So the funeral took place on the 2nd? And then we had a scene of him meeting selina while the sun was setting/rising after he escaped the police station

On the 3rd

[trail elk]

My fav Gotham is when its set like a few decades back like the original Joker movie, which was in the 80s

I really liked Reeves' Gotham, my favorite iteration but whenever I saw an iPhone i was like "aight imma pretend I didnt see that"

[errant vault]

Then alfred got bombed

And then we got another scene in sunlight

So then it was the 4th

[trail elk]

I don't remember too many "1 night/day" movies but they happened alot in the 2000s era of cinema if I recall

[errant vault]

I wonder how burtons gotham design would mesh w reeves gotham

[trail elk]

Like Training Day did it super well

[errant vault]

Ye

[trail elk]

Have you seen Del Torro's hellboy?

[errant vault]

Yea

[trail elk]

He has this really unique almost-persian kinda mythical style to his sets

Would really like to see it onscreen for Gotham

His designs could work for the more wacky villains

[errant vault]

Hollup

Bruh

[trail elk]

Poorer places are like industrialized and dirty with steampipes n homeless favelas, wealthier places have this Gothic cathedral kinda make up

[errant vault]

So apparently bruce talked w carmine, talked w alfred

Talked w selina

Carmine got assassinated

And the riddler flooded the city

In the span of 1 single day

How the fuck

[trail elk]

What

R u fr?

[errant vault]

I found the batman timeline chart

[trail elk]

bruh

[errant vault]

november timeline

[trail elk]

nah happened over a week, my headcanon

sticking with that

lol

[errant vault]

yea same

aint no way alfred got bombed

and woke up the very next day

also how fuckin long are the nights in gotham

lets say it went dark at 6 pm

bruce would have to go talk w carmine
go to the hospital and talk w alfred

infiltrate the iceberg lounge

arrest carmine

get into riddlers apartment, go to arkham

go back to riddlers apartment

then go rush to gotham square garden

and fight off those guys

wait nvm he has enough time

when did the real get elected as mayor?

at midnight

so bruce would have like 6 hours from 6 pm to midnight to do all this shit

[trail elk]

all i manage to achieve in one night is making a sandwhich and finishing like 2 missions in a video game

[errant vault]

oh also

not to mention all the off screen shit he had to do

like getting the bat suit to go meet w selina

cuz yk damn well man aint leaving that shit unguarded in some fancy car in the middle of gotham while he goes to talk w carmine and alfred

[agile crow]

Burton’s Gotham was amazing

[errant vault]

so true bestie

btw off topic but i hope we never see arkham from the outside

i love the fact we only see the inside whenever we cut to it, no establishing shots or anything

just hell on earth, another dimension where gothams lunatics are sent

[summer cypress]

In general. Most of the live-action Batman films are reflections of Year One and The Long Halloween

[summer cypress]

The Gotham in Batman Begins pretty good too, probably my favorite.

[errant vault]

i miss batman begins gotham man

afterwards it just becomes chicago

[agile crow]

Christian Bale was at his best as Batman in the first film. Shame Nolan wanted him to overdo that voice.

[errant vault]

ill never get that voice

could bale not do a slightly deeper voice compared to his normal voice?

[agile crow]

The issue with the voice started in TDK

[errant vault]

did he have to sound like he was gurgling on 10 cigars a day

[agile crow]

He already did in Batman Begins. It wasn’t an issue.

[errant vault]

ik but later on

what happened

did he say a line w a sore throat and nolan thought "hollup, let him cook"

[summer cypress]

I remember reading about them doing some sort of sound mixing in TDK and TDKR to protect his vocal chords so he wasn't going all out like he was on Begins

I was always a fan of Batfleck's voice. I felt the microchip voice modulator was more intimidating and stayed true to the character since Batman's tech savvy and all.

[trail elk]

I was a teenager when that teaser dropped for BvS

“Tell me do you bleed”

That shit went to hard

[agile crow]

IGN is garbage

[halcyon ember]

someone revoke ign opinions.

also holy shit the new episode is so good

[errant vault]

bros probably just tryna get clout to fuel his crack smoking habit

[tepid lintel]

They didnt want to pay ign so they saying the series is mid while its far better than lotr new season which they gave 8

[agile crow]

Off topic, but Frank Miller’s Batman was a proper psycho lol.

[errant vault]

I dont get how frank could write the definitive early and end of career batman stories

And then make shit like all star batman and robin

[agile crow]

Tbh Miller’s Batman is different from mainstream New Earth/Prime Earth version.

He’s also a killer and doesn’t mind using guns. Miller just went overboard in All Star, where even JL members are out of character.

[errant vault]

Which i dont get since in the dark knight returns man had a whole quote calling guns the weapon of cowards

[agile crow]

IIRC he uses a sniper in Strikes Again

[errant vault]

Strikes again is a disaster

Man drives his car into lex luthors building through god knows how many people and then just leaves after carving a z into lexs face

Honestly all star makes strikes again look even worse in retrospect

When u realize dick grayson got abused by a psycho and became a joker clown monster

[agile crow]

Yeah he regrets it later

With the way he treated Dick

[errant vault]

Yk the whiplash miller batman has between all star and the last crusade is insane

[agile crow]

Frank Miller’s Batman is basically Batman where the Zur-En-Arrh personality took over.

[errant vault]

Man goes from setting people on fire and shit to freaking out over jason being brutal

[errant vault]

Idk what to think abt miller batman

I love year one and tdkr but the others just crap

[agile crow]

Yeah he doesn’t have self control

Mainstream Batman controls his darker tendencies with his no kill rule. Which is why he doesn’t even kill criminals as evil as the Joker.

Batman Ego explored the idea of Bruce Wayne’s true Batman self(it’s implied this figure is Barbatos).

[mossy knoll]

Man, what an episode

Cristin Miloti popped off simply

What a terrific performance

It's a tragedy how her character was pushed off the deep end. So much so, ||in the present time, she doesnt even flinch killing a teen||

Next episode is going to be crazy

[trail elk]

I imagine she offed quite a few people in the can

But yeah it was one of the better "fall to madness" sequences

TDK's Harvey Dent switch was a little obnoxious and fast

Hangman's was really well done

[mossy knoll]

Oh yeah, she was in there for 10 years, I am not going to be surprised that she has had a few kills racked up haha

It was also a nice deep dive into the workings of Arkham Hospital, all the crazy that goes down there

[trail elk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX_wprkggoE

[agile crow]

How? Harvey Dent always had a dark side in him even in the TDK iteration. https://youtu.be/E_hQLAcumQw?si=QIuVNZSDoF8r3XYY

If you read the novelisation of TDK, Dent grew up in an abusive household just like the comic book. The abuse inflicted by his alcoholic father to his mom, where later the father hung his mom and then committed suicide. This severely affected his psyche.

[trail elk]

Idk why youre bringing the novelisation into this lol

It was about the movie in isolation, like GoT is better when you know the books but thats not to say it adds to the show itself

[agile crow]

Even if you ignore the novelisation, it wasn’t fast.

[trail elk]

It was

[agile crow]

Harvey Dent clearly had a dark side, so not it wasn’t.

[trail elk]

Im not saying it was bad, but it wasnt remarkable like se7en

Or Sofia's in the penguin

[agile crow]

Why the hell are you comparing Se7en?

[trail elk]

Why wouldnt I, we're talking about general character shifts in their emotes

Onscreen

[agile crow]

And it was well done in TDK. Harvey Dent’s transformation to Two-Face wasn’t sudden. He already had a damaged psyche.

We see this in the interrogation scene

[trail elk]

It was ok, it wasn't horrendous like some other movies

Like Anakin's fall to Darth I think was a classic case of too much too fast

[agile crow]

It wasn’t

[trail elk]

You dont go from edgy kid to mercing kids in an hour lmao

Idk what to tell you Donnie, just cause you're a fan of somethings doesn't mean you can't criticize it

Or defend everything as perfect

Like alot of my fav movies have dumb shit in it, but that doesnt matter

[agile crow]

Anakin was literally known for succumbing to anger. Him killing kids was basically his transformation to the evil Sith Lord.

[trail elk]

Idc about star wars, its just a common example that people bring up

[agile crow]

He has briefly used dark side before prior his transformation even in the movies. Notable example is AOTC

[trail elk]

Like the actor needs to be given more subtle scripting and emotives prior to the switch

Like some other movies do it better than others where they establish alot of like Chekov's gun sorta thing in the dialogue, where its constantly an undertone

[agile crow]

Like whom? Redditors. The prequels had its problems, but Anakin’s transformation to Vader wasn’t sudden.

[trail elk]

Im not in the mood to argue so well agree to disagree

Its generally not a very organic transition when the actor plays a different character within a few minutes

Like Anakin's Vader facial expressions and dialogue were very different to one another

Whereas with Sofia, she's very obviously the same person before and after Arkham

[agile crow]

He doesn’t play a different character out of nowhere. Anakin has already shown his dark side before. https://youtu.be/qoXlO09I4fo?si=A56S8ZEQmMQ3qGxN

[trail elk]

Yeah but like this and the Harvey interrogation

[agile crow]

We’ve seen many instances where Anakin is impatient and angry

[trail elk]

Its more like the director did homework

Its just a scene or two to add context so that the fall doesnt come off out of left field

Whereas better transitions would be like if we saw Anakin or Harvey as subtley unhinged or stressed in every scene they were in

[agile crow]

Those scenes pretty much tell us that it wasn’t a quick transformation out of nowhere.

[trail elk]

Like Sofia wasn't a murderer in the first few minutes

But you could see the similar expressions and decisions when she did kill her inmate

[agile crow]

Harvey clearly was losing it and so did Anakin from the start of ROTS

[trail elk]

Yeah my point being that if you're relying on scene addition alone

It doesnt constitute a good transition

Its better script wise when its constant, in hindsight

[trail elk]

Story wise yeah but screenplay

[agile crow]

I think you’re being too fastidious.

[trail elk]

Idek what the fuck that means so prolly not lmao

Youre arguing bout lore n shit

Im just out here talking bout it as a movie

[agile crow]

Like this

[agile crow]

And this?

[trail elk]

Yeah like early Sofia with young falcone and Sofia that killed magpie, were very obviously the same person

Whilst Anakin flirting with Padme and Anakin mercing the kids with the yellow eyes were very different characters that the actor had to play

[agile crow]

Nah the Sofia who killed Magpie already descended to madness

It wasn’t the same person

[trail elk]

Uh

Im she did

But it works better as a fall to madness when you can see theyre the same person

Before and after the fall

The Sofia thing is just by nature going to be better than Harvey or Anakin cause it was an entire hour of exploring and adding nuance

Whilst the other two had to fit in inside another movie

Where the director could only use a couple scenes

[agile crow]

Innocent Sofia and Psycho Sofia

[trail elk]

It was executed way better than Harvey and Anakin, imma die on that hill

Its just more organic n shit

I think the best transitional character was Walter White, by the same token of like

They had more time to build it up

With Walter you had literal hours on end with multiple seasons to explore, Sofia had an entire hour, Harvey just exploded and woke up evil lmao

[agile crow]

That makes it more impressive, except Anakin had two movies to show that. Harvey Dent was only in TDK and Nolan was able to perfectly convey the “You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” message.

There are subtle hints that Harvey wasn’t right in his head.

[trail elk]

I think fall to madness/darkness is done better when there isn;t like

This catalyst

[agile crow]

The best example of fall to darkness is in the Godfather 1.

[trail elk]

Where its dependent on a day or moment

I get what you mean with Michael but, I'd have to disagree, it's an all time classic for the fallen arc

Cause it was one of the very first we ever had

Its like the Seinfield effect, it was great for its time but as cinema evolves it adopts and adds onto to it

[agile crow]

Michael Corleone going from an Ivy League educated war hero to a stone hearted killer is one of the best fallen arc in fiction.

[trail elk]

Where subsequent movies learn from their predecessors n shit

[agile crow]

No subsequent movies have done it better than the Godfather.

[trail elk]

The ending of the first godfather with the murder sequence when he's giving a baptimising for example is like, I think one of the first juxtapositions we had in theatre

Where a character is saying something good but something bad is happening

[errant vault]

i wish we got more scenes of bruce and harvey together

[trail elk]

I think TDK was perfect as it was

If they added more scenes to make it extended it might detract from the thriller suspense

[agile crow]

It was enough

[errant vault]

imagine if bruce had a convo w harvey after he claimed he was batman

and we got some backstory on harvey and his relationship w his father

and then the chase happens

[trail elk]

imma be real, i didnt really give a shit about harvey until he got bbq'd lmao

god it was so long ago, but i was like an actual kid if i recall when i first saw the movie

[agile crow]

It would’ve made the film a lot longer.

[trail elk]

so when he turned his face and we saw half his face gone with the eyeball sticking out

it actually scared me

[agile crow]

There’s a reason these details are in the novel.

[trail elk]

10/10

[trail elk]

i dont think harvey himself was that important

it was more that he was the mascot for change in gotham

like his public image

[errant vault]

ik but still

harvey and bruces relationship is what i love most abt him becoming two face

[agile crow]

Harvey was as important as Batman and Joker in the story.

[trail elk]

ur fancast with homelander as dent would go hard

if they could shoehorn the dead behind the eyes vibe

[agile crow]

Antony Starr said he’s done with superhero stuff

[trail elk]

Donnie staaaahp with this kneejerk defense of source purism donnieee noooo

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-gif-26327776

[agile crow]

What source purism?

I’m talking about the movie

[errant vault]

i think hed be willing to do harvey tho

[agile crow]

Who knows. Too old

[trail elk]

hugh jackman and rdj were done too until they got em fat stacks

get that bag

i honestly got a newfound respect for disney when they got rdj back, the absolute shamelessness of it all lmao

absolute fucking savages

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[errant vault]

i mean harvey can just walk around a court room talking shit or threatening people, not really big of a physical role compared to other superhero stuff, plus they could just add some make up to make him look younger

[agile crow]

They’re playing it pretty safe after their recent blunders.

[trail elk]

i stan older actors, get me them bad grandpas

also starr isnt that old lmao

[agile crow]

Matt Reeves probably like to cast someone close to Pattinson’s age. If they’re going for an older actor, I don’t think Starr would be even the first choice.

[trail elk]

no one implied he'd be in reeves homie

or play him at all lol

just a fancast

[agile crow]

Especially after that recent controversy, I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets cancelled.

[errant vault]

what

the ad thing?

[trail elk]

he was with diddy werent he

i knew it

[agile crow]

He’s a great actor though.

[trail elk]

The Diddler

[errant vault]

i mean they could just cast him and give him some make up to make him look younger

and play it off as him being like bruces older brother type

[trail elk]

i want an batman man

[agile crow]

The one where he glassed some dude and apparently mistreated Dominique McElligott in the set.

[trail elk]

like those cartoons

an old batman*

[errant vault]

like they were close as kids and then lost touch after the waynes died

[agile crow]

Imagine if Reeves does something like this lol. Harvey Dent, the long lost brother.

[errant vault]

i dont mean actual older brother

[agile crow]

Yeah I know

[errant vault]

o btw

[agile crow]

Hope Reeves doesn’t go too crazy

[errant vault]

i think they might have clay face act as amadeus arkham

since they are using elements from batman earth one

and in that clayface is a criminal for hire for impersonates other people

[agile crow]

I hope they drop that shit

Reeves said he the Batman will have some elements from Ego, yet it wasn’t there. Hope the sequel covers it.

[trail elk]

ayo lowkey? a guy that uses clay prosthetics to impersonate people

like some kgb spy and feds found traces of his masks

and gave him the moniker clayface

[errant vault]

he has a skin condition in the comics that makes him look clayish

like the guys skin is just stacking and he apparently has like 3 different sets of finger prints

[trail elk]

idk i wouldnt wanna see accurate clayface morphing and shit

and is a literal glob of clay

thatd be dumb

[errant vault]

nah dw hes not rlly like that

i think this version could sorta fit the reeves verse

[agile crow]

Zsasz really have an interesting origin story. Would fit right in Reevesverse.

The Penguin had a role in Zsasz becoming a psychopathic serial killer.

[errant vault]

hmmmmm

so victor gambles w penguin and gets his life ruined

and loses hope

ig being framed for murder and being sent to arkhams abt to ruin our boi

[agile crow]

The interesting thing is that Zsasz didn’t have a fucked up life like your typical killer. Born to loving and wealthy parents, popular student with top grades, ran a successful billion dollar company etc

[errant vault]

btw

victor in the comics lost his family to a boating accident

and in the show victors parents die in a flood

[agile crow]

Yes

[agile crow]

Instead of that, maybe Penguin will kill his girlfriend and just straight up leave him to die.

Don’t want them to repeat that Sofia story

There is no doubt Penguin will do something very repulsive and evil like Ruby said in an earlier discussion. Apparently he will be irredeemable.

[errant vault]

i mean it would be a nice repeat of the cycle

like penguin is now the new carmine falcone and basically condemns his surogate son to the same fate as sofia

[agile crow]

Should’ve just crashed that car and hit the Penguin💀. Biggest mistake he did going back.

[errant vault]

bruh i can just imagines the maronis standing there bamboozled

[agile crow]

I think he will start realising eventually, but too late

The way he ditched Sofia

[errant vault]

and then it cuts to vic realizing what he did and just going

"FUCK"

i think vic dosent mind that much since oz openly talked abt just using sofia and that hell kill her eventually

[agile crow]

No he’ll start realising Oz isn’t someone who you can trust fully.

He’s smart

Will figure out he’s working with a snake.

[trail elk]

I think he already does

[errant vault]

i think maybe next episode oz might save him

and thatll make em closer

[trail elk]

Like it was kinda explicity Vic already knew what Oz was, but made the call anyway

Like he knew what the gangster life entails, but made the call cause he knows the civillian life isn't what he wants

In the Inside the Ep by HBO, the actor didn't say he chose to go back cause he trusted Oz now

But rather understood he now has a choice

[errant vault]

so would u say that victor is

gambling

w oz?

[trail elk]

Risk everything working with a snake in a world of criminals where everyone is out to get you, cant trust anyone but be a street legend, adrenaline and wealth or live the cozy life with his gf as a normal person forever

Yeah gambling is a term you can use, albeit naively

[errant vault]

yk who else gambled w the penguin?

thats right

victor zsasz

[trail elk]

Its a theme with alot of gangster movies, something I can sympathize with; a slow life with a loving family and stability is a fate worse than death lol

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/joaquin-phoenix-the-joker-laughing-laugh-haha-gif-17500533

Idk alot of the plot points was laid out, since the first ep I kinda put together that:

1. Sofia got framed as Hangman- They said she went after women specifically but in the movie we knew Carmine had a habit of strangling women, and he also tried to strangle his own daughter (catwoman); so it was consistent if Carmine framed Sofia to take his fall
2. Victor gets killed or screwed over by Oz; we saw him constantly screwing over people he did genuinely like, also its a theme with him to use others as his scapegoat, the bodyguard, maroni, the teenager, sofia etc.
3. Oz's mom dies- idk why but i feel like at the end this is the price he pays for the crown

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