#đŸ“șThe Acolyte

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void bear
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love that the show never once indicates any type of conflict within osha

tawny zenith
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Anger leads to hate and all that jazz.

limpid plank
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Oh give me a break

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She hears one thing and becomes evil

void bear
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ok to be fair

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if qimir asked me to join the dark side

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im joining the dark side

tawny zenith
limpid plank
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I’d join the dark side to brutally murder Venestra

void bear
limpid plank
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There is zero conflict in Osha throughout

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She’s such a boring character

void bear
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his wife was dying and he was tricked into believing that only with the dark side of the force could he save her

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not to mention he was literally unknowingly groomed by a sith lord from childhood

tawny zenith
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So began the descent

limpid plank
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Osha LITERALLY tells Qimir in the same episode that she’s not gonna join his ass

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Then she finds out what Sol did

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And he doesn’t bother explaining why to her

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And turns on a whim it’s fucking idiotic

tawny zenith
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What you call a whim, i call the truth.

limpid plank
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Please don’t green light this crap for S2

void bear
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the thing is

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i like a lot of the story beats of the show on paper

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like the general concept and ideas are cool

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the writing is just

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so bad

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at least they cooked with the fight choreography lol

limpid plank
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Yeah that was terrible

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Actually crazy how this was green lit

tawny zenith
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I'll remember this show. At least you guys arent calling me an idiot for it, and i'm grateful.

limpid plank
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I’ll remember it as one of the worst I’ve seen

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Why would we call you an idiot

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People like what they like no prob at all

tawny zenith
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Alot of people have lately. Not here.

limpid plank
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Well they’re assholes

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I’ll call the characters idiots

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But calling someone an idiot because they like something you don’t? Give me a break

tawny zenith
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Cool. Enjoyed the ep. Has flashes of ||Yoda and most likely Plagueis||

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I respect that it is not a shared sentiment.

limpid plank
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Those two felt like tacked on fan service

tawny zenith
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I think it'll get an S2. if you dont account for the review bombings and the AI negative posts, series wasnt badly recieved.

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I dont think there's nearly as moch wokeness or as much "the force is female" bullshiz as was anticipated.

limpid plank
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I feel like the vast majority of the audience hated it like I don’t know a single person who didn’t

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It’s not about that

tawny zenith
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Time to stop looking at casting women as being part of an agenda.

limpid plank
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It’s about how poor the writing is

tawny zenith
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fine poor writing.

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Still.

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Alot of people who reviewed this series thought it was something it wasnt.

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Didnt help things.

wild ginkgo
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I don't think this SHOW knew what it was

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At all

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It advertised itself as a mystery

tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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It wasn't

wild ginkgo
tawny zenith
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I believe what i want!

wild ginkgo
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This is a open forum

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I'll comment what I want

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That's fine, doesn't make it true.

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Nor is my word the truth

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Or anyone in here.

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The fact of the matter is, this show didn't know what it was.

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At all

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AT ALL

tawny zenith
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It was Star Wars meets Wuxia for me.

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And dont try to change my mind or reason with me. I'm not in the mood.

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Everytime i say something, you move in and say things that feel like they are what i should believe.

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I'm allowed not to believe you, for gum's sake...

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And sorry for blowing.

tawny zenith
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Lotsa people been talking down to me because of my beliefs so i thought this was a repeat. I was wrong.

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Not here tho.

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So sorry for exploding, again.

keen wind
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I can't see this show getting a s2

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It's sucks we'll probably never see him again

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And what this episode set up alone with Qimir, Osha, Venestra and Plaguis

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Seems far more interesting than anything in s1

tawny zenith
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Fingers crossed. Only time and Disney execs will tell.

limpid plank
keen wind
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Agreed

tawny zenith
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I seen worse.

limpid plank
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Oh she’s fucking awful man

keen wind
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There is definitely worse in SW

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But she's just so boring

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Provides zero anything

limpid plank
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She thinks she’s a member of the queens guard

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It’s nepotism at its finest

keen wind
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They also wasted Dafne Keene

limpid plank
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That character was terrible

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I was happy when her ass died

keen wind
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Like she had an amazing fight scene

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But the character was just shitty

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No substance there whatsoever

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And the lines she was given were just boring

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Great actress who was wasted

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This show had 2 good characters lol

tawny zenith
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I aint saying no to more Qimir.

wild ginkgo
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This is the ending

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

tawny zenith
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ending of season 1.

wild ginkgo
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Hopefully it's the only ending

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Dogshit.

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3.5/10

limpid plank
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Yeah I’d rate the season a 3/10

tawny zenith
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Altho, to be fair, if i could trade all those Star Wars shows for one new season of Dark Crystal, i'd do it in a heartbeat.

limpid plank
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3 points for sick action sequences

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I thought Lee Jung Jae was awful tbh

wild ginkgo
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We get this shit

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Not Dark Crystal

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And I'm sure it'll get a season 2

limpid plank
wild ginkgo
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I'm sure of it

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They'll keep making this shit

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Making shit like this important to cannon

limpid plank
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Dark Crystal was so fucking good though

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I did love the ending to S1

tawny zenith
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Plagueis had to find the knowledge somewhere.

wild ginkgo
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Mean while the old rebublic era, tales of the jedi era, and left to dry in the sun.

limpid plank
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But I wish there was a second season

wild ginkgo
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You want a secound season of this?

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Or do you mean dark crystal?

tawny zenith
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No, of Dark crystal.

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yah

wild ginkgo
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Oh my b

limpid plank
tawny zenith
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Especially SW Resistance. I cannot stand it.

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Kill that and gimme Dark Crystal.

devout plank
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I haven’t seen it yet

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Time to watch

devout plank
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Is this what I think it is.

limpid plank
bleak stag
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Not going to lied, but I wasted a lot of time watching this. Fault kind of a pointless story.

tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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We can’t have this guys

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Sorry

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Not more money for thjs

calm night
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After watching the finale, for me The Acolyte is the worst Star wars show ever and the season finale was absolutely horrendous. Even in the beginning, you have Bazil helping Mae escape which makes zero sense. Osha after wearing that helmet suddenly turns to dark side and later kills Sol which was so ridiculous and Sol didnt even resist, also didn't know the khyber crystal responded to emotions and that a blue lightsaber could turn dark. So, Qimir is pupil of Venestra but she isn't the evil sith master, of course she's covering up Sol's actions. Also, Master Yoda probably knew about the Sith if Venestra told him but he kept that a secret in Phantom menace.

Anyway a huge disappointment of a show and the finale was even worse than I imagined. The only good thing about this show were some lightsaber action scenes and that's all.

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Also, Darth Plagueis in live action finally

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devout plank
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THE POWER OF ONE

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THE POWER OF TWO

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THE POWER OF MANY

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Ye this ending was beyond stupid.

calm night
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BTW.. this was cool from Sol and he does this but then lets Mae kill her that easily with a choke??

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blissful drift
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I know im saying this like a year or 2 after squid game blew up, but I would love to see Lee Jung-jae get more work like this

blissful drift
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without diverging into a wild tangent about streaming viewership too much, I do think that at present, theres an undervaluing of toughing it out for little watched shows that grow in audience over time and become hits that last a while

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and thats begun to contribute to a weird malaise about streaming shows where nobody feels too invested cause each season is years apart and lasts for 7 weeks

devout plank
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I guess mind wipe is a technique only the sith know?

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Plus

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It’s a bit odd that the depiction of the two, occupational safety and health administration and Quimir, watching a sunset while the dark side is one of grooming and seducing people to evil is really bizarre. I guess Headland was the perfect choice considering she was Harvey’s personal assistant for 1-4 years


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I also don’t like how they tried to make a nuanced depiction of the Jedi as evangelocons. Jedi were ambassadors akin to a retainer even
 why bother making this drama if they were the guardians of peace for 1000 years. The only reason they failed is because a war that spans trillions of battle droids across hundreds of planets in the far reaches of the republic influence strained their capabilities
. Why make this about Murica religious movements like Kenneth Copeland?

Also Yoda CG is better than puppet. Change my mind
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blissful drift
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I go back and forth on that

void bear
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i'll always be team puppet

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or at least practical

blissful drift
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but i do think, specifically for the sake of a high republic show, i would prefer the younger looking CG yoda

void bear
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maybe they could build a yoda animatronic like they did with grogu

blissful drift
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yeah grogu warmed me more to animatronics, just cause hes not as freaky looking as the yoda puppet was

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like this is how he looks in the high republic comics

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this scene is a few hundred years before this show but you get the idea

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also has disney hooked up frank oz to the james earl jones robot?

stuck widget
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Ughhh i have to wait till tomorrow to watch

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need to be up early tomorrow lol

devout plank
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Can’t help myself to even finish quoting that.

sturdy egret
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Then again why would you build the whole place from highly flammable materials

sturdy egret
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also || evil yoda || ?

frank birch
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I know hes still old but

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baby yoda

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baby yoda 2.0

limpid plank
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I swear Bazil is one of the useless characters

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Like what the fuck was the point of that

calm night
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Yes he is

limpid plank
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At least the animatronic itself is pretty neat

calm night
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True

devout plank
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Ngl I legit was annoyed with this too


limpid plank
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If I was Sol, I would’ve beat the fuck out of that thing after it sabotaged my chase

sturdy egret
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but sol was not evil, just stupid

devout plank
stuck widget
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Not even knowing the last ep YES I HATE BAZIL KILL IT

sturdy egret
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like 90% of the characters in acolyte, they're dumb some way or another

stuck widget
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I wanted Mae to cut Bazil’s stupid dumb head off lol

devout plank
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Only liked Quimir

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For killing

sturdy egret
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overall the show was good except for the writing, I wont be watching the next season batlol

devout plank
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This was tough, reminds me why I can’t vibe watching TV shows. The longest I watched was Hell on Wheels and that was 8 years ago.

limpid plank
limpid plank
devout plank
limpid plank
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How can a show be good if the writing sucks

devout plank
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The choreography was ok.

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Too choreographed to not even hit their openers just to meet their sabers.

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Also what a waste of a lightsaber whip

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WE ONLY SEE IT ONCE

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Why bother

limpid plank
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Oh yeah

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That’s the definition of a chekhov’s gun

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Except they never pay it off

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It’s honestly screenwriting 101 😅

devout plank
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Im curious how those books sold. I was hoping Geode was here

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I wanted to see this

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I hope Geode ain’t dead.

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Also Ki-Adi being an accomplice made a non character assassination moment in episode 4 into a major one now. He’s a liar now. :(

calm night
wild ginkgo
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I got a question.

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What makes this show unqie from any other Star Wars Period?

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People that say "It's decontrucitng the Jedi as being incompetent fanatical" Which has been protrayed ten times over and in more depth.

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All this show offers in the way of decontruciton is "JEDI BURARCRY BAD" which is fine, by why not expanded upon that?

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Why?

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Why are the Jedi so indelicate in there execution of plans, and if they're so incompetent how have they lasted so long?

tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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How does that work?

tawny zenith
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Means they are subsidised and allowed to exist so long as the Republic backs them up.

wild ginkgo
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You see they just throw those same plot contrivences every other star writter post prequels has done and act like they've expanded upon it.

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This show doesn't in the slighltess

tawny zenith
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Except for that one Senator who got things right on the money.

wild ginkgo
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Hell, 3 epsiode clone wars arcs showcase and elaborated on this point more then this show did in it's whole runtime.

tawny zenith
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You're not wrong.

wild ginkgo
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Like so much of this shows drama hinges on this past event that isn't nearly is morally grey is the writters want it to be.

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Like, sitting here now, I have no idea why that jedi offed himself.

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No clue

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He did nothing to warrant such greif, yet the writters demand it of his character.

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And that's one of the biggest problems too. This show demands emotions and view points it does not at all warrant

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It doesn't even question the convetions of it's setting beyond what has always been deemed morally exepctable.

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Hell, if I wanted to decontruct the Jedi, why not go into the idea of recruiting child soliders.

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These people, in this civilized advanced future, recruit children, give them dangerous weapons, and introdunate them over the coruse of there time with the Jedi

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I know people say, "Well they wanted to go" But is that something a child can truley consent to?

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The show never brings this up

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like at all.

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It's sitting right there.

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You'd think a room full off "Non Star Wars Fans" brought in to bring in a new prespective would talking about this as a unironic stance of the show deconstruction, but no

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The Jedi are portrayed as being a faction that has simply become tied up in it's own buracarytic politics and theoricialy if it removed itself from it's postion in society as a political faction maybe they could've reached an ideal state.

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But one again, this is an orgainizaiton that puts deadly weapons in the hands of children who are sent off in dangerous missions that sometimes get them killed.

wild ginkgo
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Which in many ways....epically considering it's advanced setting, it is.

devout plank
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It’s similar to the Samurai body guards nearing the Edo period and the later disbanding of tradition and industrialization of Japan.

wild ginkgo
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They are handing these things to children

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10 year olds

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Who they recruit at a young age to be brought into serios where violence can occur.

devout plank
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Right but they wouldn’t normally be wielding it outside of training grounds, nor relying on it since it’s peace times and at most they have to take down a critter.

wild ginkgo
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The fact they brough kids

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like Ashoka

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Correction

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Teenagers

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To a warzone

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you could go into the ethics of what

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that&

devout plank
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Ye, because of suppressing emotions. Clone Wars broke all that since they were running out of Jedi.

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That’s a whole different situation that the Order didn’t face for a thousand years prior

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We are talking about them being called Generals when the clones first arrived on Geonosis with no previous ranking

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Not only was Palpi faking this galactic war but he was also fucking up the Jedi’s core ideals by having them fight wars when they shouldn’t, having clones when it’s a manipulation of life and the life force to become expendable


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The Clone Wars slightly altered this by having Yoda encouraging their individuality in the first episode “Ambush”, but if you watch the movies and 2D clone wars you see they are so blind that the moral idea of having life being expendable doesn’t cross their minds.

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The galaxy by that point saw them as obsolete and an empire, although crappy, can actually keep order.

royal glen
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Heard the show ended today, whoever watched, how are you feeling about this show?

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heard tons of negatives for it

void bear
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i stopped watching a couple episodes ago lol

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i watched andor about halfway through this show and realized that there is zero fucking reason that every star wars show isnt as good as that

tawny zenith
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Destroy its identity and they will come.

wild ginkgo
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It’s always been that way

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Consume product and wait for next produce

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Product

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It’s meant to be poorly written don’t you understand?

tawny zenith
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You're mocking me.

wild ginkgo
wild ginkgo
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That I’ve heard from a lot of people

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Because it’s complete bullshit

tawny zenith
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What is? That Andor trumps every other SW show?

wild ginkgo
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I just showed you 2 other shows that weren’t andor

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Stop hiding behind that it’s a lame excuse

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“ITS TO GOOD TO BE STAR WARS” isn’t an argument

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At all

tawny zenith
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I didnt say that...

wild ginkgo
tawny zenith
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That Andor needed to be something other than regular Star Wars to be good, i guess. Y'know...drop the dogfights, the shootouts, the lightsabers, most of the action and grow up.

wild ginkgo
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Brother

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There’s more to story telling then loud explosions and action

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Star Wars doesn’t have to be just that

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In fact, a franchise as old as it is should move on from being more than that.

tawny zenith
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If i want that, i wont watch Star wars, i'll watch something like the Expanse or 2001 a space Odyssey or something else.

wild ginkgo
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It’s not black and white

tawny zenith
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I want friggin laser swordfights, where else do i go?

wild ginkgo
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You can have a well writing story and great action

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These things aren’t mutually exclusive

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It can have high fantasy lore and not be written like ass

tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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The dialogue is better

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Characters are better

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It had more interesting themes

tawny zenith
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Sure, and the action doesent matter at all.

wild ginkgo
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IT WAS ACTUALLY MORALLY GREY AT PARTS

wild ginkgo
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The action scene from the beginning alters the lives of all the characters in the story

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Idk what ur on

tawny zenith
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I mean the action that happens once every 3 48 minute long episodes.

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Is boring.

wild ginkgo
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It has tension

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It has characters I give a fuck about

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If you want to watch action figures bash each other go watch a fan film

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There are a lot of fans who want more rn

tawny zenith
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Oh, i was wondering what i should do. Thx.

wild ginkgo
tawny zenith
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Cant wait for when they make a Rambo movie without a body count.

wild ginkgo
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Should be enough for you

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Won’t even have dialogue

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Since that’s all you care about

tawny zenith
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Nah, that'll be boring. There should be at least some semblance of plot.

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Stakes and everything.

wild ginkgo
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Alright then, bro. Understand you have low standards for films

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Lower then most people on here

wild ginkgo
tawny zenith
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Means i can watch more movies.

wild ginkgo
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You can show any action you want and doesn’t mean I’m gonna care weather the person lives or dies

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HELL

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YOU WANT HEAVY ACTION?

wild ginkgo
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Great Dialogue “I can bring you in warm, or I can bring you in cold”

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IT AINT HIGH ART

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But it’s great

tawny zenith
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And at least one engagement per episode, which Andor doesent have.

wild ginkgo
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So see

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You can have decent writing

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And action

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This isn’t decent

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It’s actually dog shit

tawny zenith
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And i enjoyed some of it. You dont have to look down on me for it.

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Every time i open my mouth. You say my name and you tell me your opinion, which i have to take as truth, or else i like shit things. Its getting old.

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Should i be quiet if i want a bit of peace, then?

wild ginkgo
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However Morpho I’m a fighter

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And I love to dance

tawny zenith
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I wanna stage fights, so i love to see said dance.

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Then again, i watched Shogun and i loved it.

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Not an action heavy show, but well done nonetheless.

devout plank
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I was at the gym and saw this

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Watched the rest of the movie

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Reminded me why I love the saga

tawny zenith
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is that revenge or attack?

devout plank
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Revenge

tawny zenith
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Revenge was sick from start to finish in my book.

devout plank
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Specifically the moment Obi informs Padme of Anakin’s dark deeds

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I love Revenge a whole lot

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Its up there as one of my favorites of the whole saga

tawny zenith
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Imagine if they took out all the action.

devout plank
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I’d riot

tawny zenith
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Its a bit what Andor feels like for me.

devout plank
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If there’s one thing I wished nu Wars to be is that it should have a plot that is expansive affecting a whole galaxy.

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ROTS gave us that with Order 66 and the Outer Rim sieges

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I love that idea of the worlds being on the brink of collapse by threats beyond a singular planetary situation.

tawny zenith
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If there's one thing i wished it to be, its something i can love with other people.

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It isnt that. If i wanna have friends now, i have to hate it. It sucks.

proper drift
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Who was the Voldemort looking mf in the episode

tawny zenith
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Darth Plagueis the Wise.

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The guy who spent his life trying to find immortality through the force.

wild ginkgo
tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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You know what I hate to do this quick PSA

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DISNEY RETIRE THIS HAIRCUT

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No one wears there dreads like that bruh

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Nobody

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Please and thank you.

proper drift
proper drift
wild ginkgo
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Idk why they keep giving every black characters that shit

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It was cool when Micheal B Jordan wore it

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2018

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After that

proper drift
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It’s getting overused

wild ginkgo
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Not a single person I know at the shop

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Gets that shit

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Not one

proper drift
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it’s a decent cut, but when it’s the only thing creatives push it gets worn out.

wild ginkgo
proper drift
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like it’s way overdone

wild ginkgo
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Fr fr

proper drift
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They gotta add Sada Baby hair style ong

wild ginkgo
stuck widget
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Lovely finale

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I’m gonna need to do a review of the series

wild ginkgo
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I’m ready đŸ€ș

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❀

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I wanna get a small episode by episode review out within the next week

devout plank
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Been deadlifting at 1 am

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Definitely don’t regret it

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Hit a whole new PR too!

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That was after my 6 hour close shift.

proper drift
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are you powerlifting or bodybuilding or maintaining atm?

devout plank
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Nice pfp plankalice

steady jay
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This was a series that so desperately wanted to be a film

void bear
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such is the problem with so many modern disney+ shows

calm night
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So true.

stuck widget
stuck widget
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Got my ratings down so now just the writing part

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Never done a show review so its a different structure

tawny zenith
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So you enjoyed Acolyte then.

hidden cypress
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I caught up with the final episode and damn that was a pretty good episode! If it wasn't for that midseason lull this show would have been great

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I really liked the Mae Osha flip, even if it was a bit obvious. But Sol's whole "they are the same person" made it work because Osha literally turned into Mae and the other way around. And it works because they aren't siblings, they are the same person, great stuff

limpid plank
limpid plank
bitter stream
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Right.

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Bizarre show

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Entire concept relies on the stupidity of the characters..and boy oh boy do they deliver..

hidden cypress
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I don't think they're that stupid most of the time. More naive and with diffuse motivations

limpid plank
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Aha! But that’s where you’re wrong

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The writers draft their motivation around whatever a scene requires so the sudden changes feel extremely contrived as opposed to something that stems from the character

limpid plank
hidden cypress
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it's not the best ever but it's also not as terrible as you make it sound

limpid plank
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It’s an atrocity 😅 if you know a thing about screenwriting and character development

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Like the dialogue is unprofessional

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It’s amateurish and downright dogshit at times

hidden cypress
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it does suffer from the thing a lot of shows do when they want to obscure information and speak in stupidly convoluted riddles. But Acolyte isn't even the worst offender

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one could say it's to the show's credit that most of the "twists" were fairly predictable so at least they didn't come out of nowhere

bitter stream
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The worst part is that this shite will get renewed while there are some good/very good shows out there that didn't .

hidden cypress
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well it's star wars so

bitter stream
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...ya

hidden cypress
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and apparently it's one of their bigger successes. Though it's hard to trust the numbers coming from these streaming services

limpid plank
hidden cypress
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There's some interesting threads left hanging. Though I wonder if it'll be a season two or one of those things where they rename the season into a new show (see also: Boba Fett and Ahsoka)

limpid plank
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I couldn’t care less if green showrunners wife nepotism at its finest horrible acting bald b word accomplishes her goal

devout plank
# limpid plank I hope to god they don’t renew this garbage

Im just pissed off about the “lack of check of power” of the Jedi. Why should they be regulated when for centuries. No. for 25,000 years of lore they had no issues up to the purge. It just happens that for 1000 years there was peace in the galaxy prior to Palpi.

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Episode 3’s depiction of them was not an inherent evil, just an oversight on hubris and ancient relics being held on to to the point that change was not made making for a flawed order.

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The fact this shows corruption bugs me, that means ALL of the order is somehow unorthodox like Qui-Gon and instead are working for themselves for their gain in rank when it’s a core fundamental to give your life for the force as a protectorate.

hidden cypress
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I think that's a very silly thing to be pissed off about. When I'm sure the "25000 years of lore" is basically jedi myth that they themselves tell and not actual stories

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in a historical context it's like summarizing a couple of hundred years as "the region was stable and prospered" when if you went down to tell stories from any year during those hundred years there'd be lots of unstable nonprosperity happening

wild ginkgo
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or scific

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But this era has nothing intresting going on.

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I'm not saying every single period needs to have some major conflict happening, but Christ theres nothing in this era to lach on to.

void bear
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i think theres a difference between "theres always been some corruption" and "the jedi are objectively evil and everyone in the prequel trilogy is a liar who was hiding extremely important information the entire time"

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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and acolyte is firmly in the first camp I'd say

wild ginkgo
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Add "for no other reason other then to insist upon emotions and plot points that aren't justifed"

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Why did Sol lie?

void bear
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the acolyte would have been a good way to show that even in the "golden age" of the jedi, there were some outliers who abused their power

wild ginkgo
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So we can have a shady past for him

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No other real reason

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It's lazy writting

void bear
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but making the entire jedi order just blatantly evil cultists who are all in on some big conspiracy

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it just feels weird

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
wild ginkgo
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I mean like

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Theres nothing intresting

hidden cypress
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there's nothing interesting because the stories haven't been told?

wild ginkgo
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So far in this era, worth going into. At least not int the way that its been executed.

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No your missunderstanding

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I'm saying I don't find this period very intresting based on what they have revealed here and in some of the comics.

void bear
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if i was able to make my own star wars movie, i would set it hundreds or maybe even a thousand years after the skywalker era, and have both jedi and sith be a thing of the past

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and it would be about someone rediscovering the force

hidden cypress
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ah you don't find anything interesting in the era. That makes more sense

wild ginkgo
void bear
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and meeting an old sith lord who has since realized the flaws of both sides of the force

wild ginkgo
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WE CAN'T DO THAT

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SORRY

void bear
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oh right sorry

hidden cypress
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I feel like those stories can be told within the current timeline. Hasn't bits of it been explored with various "grey-ish" force users

void bear
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no room for unique interesting ideas in star wars

void bear
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where the constant battle between light and dark literally caused them to elliminate each other

hidden cypress
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Likie one of the interesting bits in Acolyte (especially in the last episode) is the unchecked power the jedi wield and the whole political aspect of it (though I'm sure it'd make a boring tv show for the star wars target audience... :P)

void bear
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im just sick of seeing everything tie back into the skywalkers

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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sith is alreayd an ancient story told to children in Acolyte onwards

void bear
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that story is done

wild ginkgo
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Or the clone wars

void bear
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its been told

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i want to see a new age

wild ginkgo
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Or everything in the prequel era

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Before the fall

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That angle to me isn't new

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At all

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Now look at the old Rebublic, you had sith having an empire of hundreds of sithlords

void bear
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honestly they should put me in charge of star wars

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i had a cool idea for a darth vader show

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hell it could be a movie

hidden cypress
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yeah I don't read any of the books. So the jedi being fuckfaces is not really an angle I've seen that much

wild ginkgo
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Look at the shows

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Hell Revenge of the Sith

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Phantom Menace

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Attakc of the Clones

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Clone Wars

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Like it's been a pretty front and center view for a whole now.

hidden cypress
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they are an asshole police force yeah, but it's all "bad apples" and not institutionalized

tawny zenith
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Always liked seeing the deconstruction of the "good guys" myself.

wild ginkgo
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Remeber when the insutationalizaiton lead to Ashoka leaving the order

tawny zenith
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The Jedi arent the good guys, they just highly think of themselves that way.

wild ginkgo
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Or when the instusationalization lead to Obiwan having the fake his death leaving anakin greiving for weeks.

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Or when the instituationlzation kept anakin from getting a rank up

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Hell thats one of the reasons he leaves

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"How can you be on the coucil and now be master"

hidden cypress
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I guess I mean it's internal politics. I like the angle that the senate gets involved at looking at the monasteries

wild ginkgo
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This angle really isn't new.

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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outsiders looking in

wild ginkgo
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It's also internal politics

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It really isn't new man

hidden cypress
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I mean it's only in the last episodes and in bits and pieces so it's not a big part of it. But I wouldn't mind seeing more of it

wild ginkgo
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Revenge of the Sith

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Read some of the comics

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Attack of the Clones

hidden cypress
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it's true I haven't seen the clone wars. I saw the movie and it was so shit I didn't want to watch the tv show it was a pilot for :P

wild ginkgo
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And done better tbh

hidden cypress
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it took me a long time to watch any of the animated shows after that

wild ginkgo
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I have a quesiton

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Why did Sol lie?

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What exactly did he do to warrant the coverup?

void bear
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no literally

tawny zenith
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Kill an unarmed woman.

void bear
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they made it seem like the jedi did some actual unforgivable shit

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enough that one of them literally chose to kill himself when handed poison

wild ginkgo
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From every visual standpoint the child was endangered

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And screaming in paint

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pain

tawny zenith
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Jedi rules are quite clear and quite stupid.

wild ginkgo
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It's like they take the rule and oveplay it

hidden cypress
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jedi are religious fanatics too

void bear
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idk if a witch turned into black smoke and approached me i'd probably retaliate

hidden cypress
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meaning they have a hard time dealing with this stuff

wild ginkgo
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Like yes, Jedi don't kileld unarmed people, but when we live in a world with people shooting lighting and turning into smoke I don't think they'd hold it against him

hidden cypress
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the whole point of the show seems to be that it is a tragedy of errors

wild ginkgo
void bear
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i get what they were going for

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with a series of escalating mistakes

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at least, i understand that was the intention

wild ginkgo
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The show WANTS IT to seem like a morally grey thing, but it isn't

void bear
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but it was executed so poorly

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like i've said before, on paper the ideas presented in the show are interesting

hidden cypress
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I agree it could have been done better, but the intention is clear even if it isn't done in the best possible way

void bear
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and i think if a better team of writers had been given the same story outline they could have made a great show

wild ginkgo
void bear
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but my god this writing team fumbled bad

wild ginkgo
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Idc what you do, if it's not done well it doesn't matter

tawny zenith
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Also, they didnt just kill the mother, but the entire coven.

hidden cypress
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I for one tend to be of a "perfection is the enemy of the good" mindset

wild ginkgo
tawny zenith
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Well, most of the coven.

wild ginkgo
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FOR SAVING THE KID

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LMAO

tawny zenith
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Koril's still alive. Zabrak mom.

wild ginkgo
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"We killed a mother who was about to kill her kid and defneded ourselfs form her friends who tried to kill us"

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Very morally grey guys

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Man real convo starter

hidden cypress
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where is the "about to kill her kid"? I must have missed that

tawny zenith
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The rest of the coven was meditating

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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wasn't that some kind of teleportation thing

wild ginkgo
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In the show

tawny zenith
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as evidence by Koril not being dead after teleporting

hidden cypress
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I feel like it was implied in the framing

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I did not feel like it was death at least

wild ginkgo
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IDK MAN

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doesn't seem good faith to me

tawny zenith
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The Jedi didnt know either

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so they stabbed.

hidden cypress
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the jedi code after all is: "when encountering something unknown, stab it"

tawny zenith
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often, yah...

wild ginkgo
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If they didn't make the action loom SO DARK AND EVIL, maybe this could have worked

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Why didn't the mom just say something

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It's stupid

void bear
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anyways im gonna say it again: disney needs to put me in charge of star wars

tawny zenith
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Its a never encountered, never studied force cult. they knew nothing.

hidden cypress
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I think that bit works fairly well. Why would the mum tell the enemy what she was intending

wild ginkgo
tawny zenith
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Jedi do not suffer heretics it seems.

wild ginkgo
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If I'm pulled over, and a cop rolls down my window I don't just start failing my arms around

void bear
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wait how does a random witch cult that the jedi never knew existed even know who the jedi are?

wild ginkgo
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I tell him exactly what I'm doing so he doesn't think I'm reaching

hidden cypress
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I guess the jedi are famous

wild ginkgo
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Same shit here

hidden cypress
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the witch cults are less famous

tawny zenith
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much less.

wild ginkgo
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WHY NOT HAVE IT

hidden cypress
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I know who nicolas cage is but nicholas cage does not know who I am

wild ginkgo
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SO SHE SEES THEM

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and thinks thye look cool

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and because of how foreign they are

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she wants to go with him

tawny zenith
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Osha saw that way.

hidden cypress
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aren't they set up as a witch coven that explicitly is hiding from the jedi?

wild ginkgo
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If they're hidding

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and shes spent her whole life there

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How'd she know

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And why'd she think highly of them

hidden cypress
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she's been taught about the jedi in their homeschooling

void bear
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but like if they're a random cult with no technology in the outer rim on a planet that is supposed to be uninhabited

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how tf do they know about the jedi

wild ginkgo
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Why?

tawny zenith
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after seeing them in the flesh she did, i guess.

wild ginkgo
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I Think we should understand why a character wants to leave a aplace shes known her whole life

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that basic writting 101

hidden cypress
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the witch cult seems like a decent bunch so maybe they taught them about compassion and "even though the jedi hate us, we must not hate them"

wild ginkgo
void bear
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it would have made a lot more sense if the jedi had come and tried to explain their authority, but the witches had know idea who they are and therefore treat them as hostile invaders

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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and the witches have technology. If nothing else that's an old mining base they inhabit

tawny zenith
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Or the other witches, like that old ancient one.

wild ginkgo
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So listen

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What caused Osha

void bear
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like imagine if some random group of people shows up and says they actually have the right to take your children, obviously you would retaliate

wild ginkgo
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To have such a branching opinion

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of the jedi

void bear
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that would lead to a natural and understandable conflict

wild ginkgo
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These are the kind of things that make character

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That the show puts no effort into

hidden cypress
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osha's been reading some jedi propaganda in the form of adventure stories for kids

wild ginkgo
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And doesn't think about

wild ginkgo
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FROM WHERE

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You can't have it both ways

hidden cypress
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from the library

tawny zenith
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that book Mae burned

wild ginkgo
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Who hate jedi

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have jedi propaganda

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in there libaray

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ok

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3/10

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Do you see my point>

hidden cypress
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they aren't a monolith, maybe there were some that thought "hey I liked Indiana Jedi as a kid, Let's bring a couple of those books for our kids"

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it's not that far fetched all things considered

wild ginkgo
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They show a ritual

hidden cypress
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not everything has to be spelled out

wild ginkgo
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Wehre they all have to be one room

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To control people

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And they all gather in one spot

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and chant in unision

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What else is meant to be infered?

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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monks in monasteries also chant in unison but they each are their own person. I feel like there was that "idyllic" scene before things happened that showed that they all did their things and some gave more candy than others

wild ginkgo
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The cult even enphaises unity in one mind "The power of many"

wild ginkgo
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These witches don't

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Again

hidden cypress
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wasn't there an explicit candy giving scene even

tawny zenith
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Yo. The bio says Osha was facinated by the Jedi the moment she saw them. Before, she just wanted to leave home and explore the stars.

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So she didnt know about Jedi before she saw them.

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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she must have known something because she mentions them by name before she meets them I'm pretty sure

wild ginkgo
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Sorry

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Poor world building and character writting

wild ginkgo
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LOL

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Like this is why this show is ass.

tawny zenith
hidden cypress
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maybe she found out about them in Indiana Jedi and the Last Crusade

wild ginkgo
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It's fine if oyu are.

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But I wanna make sure

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And I got nothing agianst ya'll

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However, I am gonna stand on my point.

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The world building in this show isn't thought out at all

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The character writting isn't either

devout plank
wild ginkgo
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You want an example of this sort of thing done right?

tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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Sorry but no

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If it takes on one season to give me basic character motiviations

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You've failed

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Epicly

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180 mil

devout plank
wild ginkgo
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JEDI GOOD

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JEDI BAD

tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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Morpho thats a very thin argument

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Just saying

devout plank
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I think both would be startled and unsure/untrustworthy of space men coming down staring at me and my sibling.

wild ginkgo
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Like sure, kids are impressionable, but they have reasons for the way they feel the way do they thye just can't express them

hidden cypress
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in Indiana jedi he's good and the sith that wants the holy grail are bad and gets their faces melted at the end

tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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it's just a comment on how pop culture shapes our view of people

devout plank
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Here the Sith gets to groom kids to start doing hanky pankies and watch the sunset together.

hidden cypress
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just like how it shapes the views of Osha and Mae

wild ginkgo
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What are yu talking about?

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What's "Indiania Jedi"

devout plank
hidden cypress
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Indiana Jedi are a popular children's series from the High Republic era

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where indiana jedi travels the stars and has adventures fighting sith

tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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Not a thing

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on any lore page

hidden cypress
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well it should be

wild ginkgo
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Don't use your head canon as an argument

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Please god

tawny zenith
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Its like playing scrabble with words that dont exist.

hidden cypress
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I mean aren't you using headcanon in saying these things didn't happen?

wild ginkgo
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You can't just argue with stuff that isn't in the show

hidden cypress
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so my headcanon justifies the actions of the characters and your headcanon tries not to

wild ginkgo
tawny zenith
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more like challenging

wild ginkgo
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What are you talking about,

hidden cypress
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sure it is. You're saying that the characters do nothing and think nothing that isn't explicitly said in the show. While I like to imagine they had full lives before and after

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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so am I

wild ginkgo
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Youre adding entire characters and aspects that aren't in the show

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No

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There is no such thing as Indiania jedi

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In this show or sw lore

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Stop it

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It's annoying

hidden cypress
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I'm interpreting the fact that Osha and Mae know about jedi and have strong views of them is due to exposure to them in stories or similar

wild ginkgo
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From whom?

hidden cypress
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from the indiana jedi series for example

wild ginkgo
hidden cypress
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it's a metaphor for any storytelling. People clearly know about the jedi so the kids have heard about them from various sources and then interpreted those sources differently. I feel it's pretty obvious

wild ginkgo
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No it's not

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Two other people just got confused when you used that as an arguemnt

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But ok

hidden cypress
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I just had fun with it okay, because I think it's a neat conceit

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because I like to imagine things that happen outside of the show that still fits the characters we see

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while you try to say the characters we see make no sense because nothing ever happens to them outside of the show

wild ginkgo
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Read again please.

hidden cypress
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only if you read me again please

wild ginkgo
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Brother......

devout plank
wild ginkgo
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Like idk what ever to say rn, I'm not sure if he's trollling.

devout plank
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I want season 2

wild ginkgo
devout plank
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Yes plz I want more

hidden cypress
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I want a season of Mae trying to fit into society after losing her memory

devout plank
#

Also keep in mind the sisters is inspired by Frozen and the dynamic is meant to be portrayed as the show runner with her sister.

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Side note: show runner’s sister has not talked to her since the Harvey stuff came out.

wild ginkgo
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aWAIT

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SHE WORKED WITH

devout plank
wild ginkgo
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WTF

devout plank
#

Which is why I found the morality here to be more broken than Anakin’s mind. You mean to tell me Sol’s poor mastering skills is the reason for her turn? Not OSHA being accountable?

wild ginkgo
void bear
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can we stop putting people in charge of making projects within franchises who actively dislike those franchises

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like with early comic book movies

wild ginkgo
void bear
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there was such a big push to keep comic books off the sets

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and they always sucked

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so fucking thankful they realized that actively trying to not be like the comics was the reason their movies sucked

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like there is a reason people like the comics lol

devout plank
#

Wasn’t Vernestra’s character also warped here too? Some readers of the HR series had complaints on this secrecy shit she’s trying to pull off considering the amount of whip action she’s been displaying.

tawny zenith
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If we get a season two, i pray it eclipses the first.

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Keep the action high class tho.

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The sabering and Teras Kasi on display was quite good.

devout plank
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Stop making the action set in the dark

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I’m tired of glowing sabers

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It was cool in episode 2 and even in 7.

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Since then it’a visually so meh. Old Republic made that shiii look sick.

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STAR WARSℱ: The Old Republicℱ - 'Deceived' Cinematic Trailer

The Sacking of Coruscant. It was the crowning achievement of the Sith Empires ambitious military strategy and the moment that changed the history of the Old Republic forever. You may have read about it before, but our first cinematic trailer captures this event with breathtaking action and beautiful detail.

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wild ginkgo
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High republic for the win

devout plank
#

Yet this show and show runner thought Lucas knows little of his own universe

wild ginkgo
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SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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SH

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Disney cannon for the win

devout plank
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We have to depict Jedi as cops

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Not just regular police

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American police brutality

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The dark side is my ally now

wild ginkgo
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Momment theres a black character: LETS MAKE THIS ABOUT POLICE BRUT-

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OH MY

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OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

devout plank
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All because the power of one, the power of two, the power of many

devout plank
#

You can’t make this shit up

wild ginkgo
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LMAOOO

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WTF

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LMFAOOO

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"Let's give him the Kilmonger hair cut"

devout plank
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I can believe claims of this stuff more than Jar Jar back in the day.

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That was an accent

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Here

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It’s a lot more

wild ginkgo
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I don't wanna ever here anything about Lucas ever again.

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I'm not saying there couldn't have been more

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There could've been

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But goddammit he gave us Lando

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I wish we got more!

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But

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It's better then this colleogue of poorly written carborard cut outs.

devout plank
#

I honestly would like to see Star Wars underground become a thing than all these shows

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Would’ve been cool to see stormtroopers in Courscant

wild ginkgo
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We had so many projects

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That we're scrapped

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The Boba Fett game

devout plank
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Hell I’d let him get a 500 million dollar budget and do whatever. I just want to see more of Lucas’s creative team working with him.

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That was peak creativity

wild ginkgo
devout plank
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Because it didn’t take the power of one

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Nor the power of two

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But the power of Maaaaannmnny

wild ginkgo
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This was directed by a woman btw^^^

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She created the Uncharted games

devout plank
#

Oh wow

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Wait I thought that was the Visceral one

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That got canceled

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It was a spiritual successor to 1313

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Tbh I hate rich of reviewtechusa but I vividly remember this vid

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lol

wild ginkgo
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I was talking about the fett game

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That was hers right?

devout plank
#

She got hired for the canceled EA one

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Which I don’t remember if that’s boba centered

wild ginkgo
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Still tho

devout plank
#

I’m skeptical of the new Star Wars RTS game

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That’ll be my final Total War game.

tawny zenith
tawny zenith
wild ginkgo
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https://youtu.be/ov9KH4RmqTM?si=uQIrJb32mAhqTy1v

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# tawny zenith SW doesent belong to Lucas no more. And dont go calling people like Pong Krell m...

Not saying all the Jedi, he was a traitor too. Lucas laid a foundation, using a bulldozer to say it doesn’t matter because I’m making my story makes the original foundations seem meaningless. If you’re wanting to legitimize legends events then stop screwing with the lore with current material. If you want to portray a Jedi story take notes from the philosophy described to us by Lucas. This is like saying Amazon should make more Rings of Power like content and say Tolkien is a part of the patriarchy and then ignore his core philosophy rather than respect it.

hidden cypress
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I find this canonization of Lucas (that I've also seen elsewhere) incredibly weird to be honest

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especially since everything I've seen from the guy about star wars seemed to be "yeah it can be anything. This time I'll explore a bit of this and a bit of that and oh you say it clashes with previous canon? whatever" he seemed pretty laid back about all of it

devout plank
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He was fine with external content but if it clashes against his greater vision he was willing to negate the content if he had more stories to tell.

hidden cypress
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but he also just changed his greater vision if he had other stories to tell

quaint fulcrum
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alright...my final thoughts on Acolyte, it's alright, 3rd to Andor and the first few seasons of The Mandalorian probably

devout plank
hidden cypress
devout plank
hidden cypress
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just that lucas has had a habit of reconning himself often enough

steady jay
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He's always just been making it up as he went along.

devout plank
void bear
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manny jacinto is so fucking hot and that honestly makes up for all of the show's flaws in my opinion

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praying that we get a second season

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RIP my boy sol tho, he didn't deserve that

wild ginkgo
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Powerful

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bmsNa9GOR0

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Powerful

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This is ten times better.

wild ginkgo
limpid plank
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That’s sadly accurate

devout plank
# wild ginkgo

This baby SW with horrible execution on depicting good guys acting bad.

tawny zenith
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Video games are given more time to materialize than tv shows, so of course, the writing's gonna be better.

wild ginkgo
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I’ve been studying game design and simulation in college for 4 years now

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90 percent of production time isn’t in writing, it’s in programming things from ground up

tawny zenith
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Fine i get the message by now...shutting up. Again. Sheesh...

steady jay
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Is it just me, or did no one actually ask Mae how she survived? Like, it was just exposition we got at the end

frank birch
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guess maybe explaination for that if i remember well is like, wasn't Sol's lightsaber shell kinda chipped off? So like there wasn't something necessarily blocking her hand from the crystal

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otherwise um, i guess anakin enjoys murdering younglings

tawny zenith
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She was able to make the kyber crystal bleed.

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https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bleeding

Wookieepedia
Bleeding

Bleeding was the process that a dark side adept used by way of the dark side of the Force to bend a kyber crystal to their will, turning it red. It was possible for some light side users to purify...

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Sith regularly do this.

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Kyber crystals are never red to begin with.

indigo patrol
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Great show

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Shame about the bandwagon online but it’s a vocal minority

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Anecdotally, only this and Andor have reached the non-nerds of the world

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I.e. the two good Star Wars shows

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Great performances from Stenberg, Jacinto and Jung-jae

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Plus at least three of the best saber fights we’ve had in live action

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Only issue is that it feels rushed. Each episode could’ve been 10 minutes longer, they all feel like they’re sprinting to the next plot point

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Fortunately it’s a good story, probably the Lucasian take on the Jedi since Disney took over

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But yeah, when my main complaint is that I wanted more of it that’s usually a good sign lol

limpid plank
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Are you being serious

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It’s an atrocity of a series 😅

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Stenberg was fucking horrible

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The action is literally the only highlight here

indigo patrol
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Silly word for a space laser telly show

indigo patrol
limpid plank
limpid plank
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his line delivery - I understand he just learned English, but a lot of Asian actors can speak better English though I blame it more on the shitty dialogue than his delivery

indigo patrol
stuck widget
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he spoke english great idk.

indigo patrol
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There’s no fun in talking about a show with someone on a warpath

limpid plank
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I just can't wrap my head around you calling it great

indigo patrol
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Keep a cool head and I’m happy to chat

indigo patrol
limpid plank
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He sounds like a robot

indigo patrol
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He has an accent

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That’s different lol

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Be careful

limpid plank
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Lots of actors have accents and don't sound like robots

indigo patrol
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He inflects in all the right places and delivers an exceptionally emotional performance

limpid plank
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Hell, one of ours is a great example - Wagner Moura

indigo patrol
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His guilt over Osha’s upbringing is palpable

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He has to play a very delicate line between love and instability

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I thought he danced it gracefully

limpid plank
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His guilt? Because he killed someone who turned into a smoke demon and disintegrated her own child lol

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I didn't buy into a second of his guilt because he acted correctly

indigo patrol
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And she wasn’t a smoke demon, he has absolutely no idea what she was doing

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He killed her

limpid plank
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One - she didn't die and two - he chose to save the girl that didn't burn everything down

indigo patrol
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Then asked questions later

limpid plank
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She definitely looked like a smoke demon and anyone with brain cells would've done the same

indigo patrol
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What was demonic?

limpid plank
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And her kid was being disintegrated no shit he thought she was a threat

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Did you watch that scene lol

indigo patrol
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The mother, who he killed without hesitation when she started using her powers after they invaded, then said she was going to let Osha join them

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The narrative is very clear that he acted recklessly

indigo patrol
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He had no idea she’d survive

limpid plank
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That's not why he felt guilt

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He clearly felt guilt over killing the mother

indigo patrol
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Did you watch it, or just watch that nutjob’s YouTube recap?

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Cos your memory seems to be all plot, no character or emotion

limpid plank
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I unfortunately watched it

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Because there is no character or emotion in The Acolyte

indigo patrol
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Ok

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I disagree

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This is too hostile for me

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Talking about Star Wars on the internet is always a bad idea

limpid plank
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I feel like there isn't much to disagree about

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When you base character motivation around what a scene requires and constantly have them change their minds on a whim instead of allowing them to be characters

indigo patrol
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I felt the show did a great job at establishing Sol as a well-meaning, overly sensitive man whose attempts to nurture a child he interpreted as endangered caused him to kill her mother and sister, setting her on a domino path towards the Sith

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It’s a microcosm of the Lucas prequels

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Jedi arrogance mixed with soulful empathy leading to their undoing

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It’s fine if you disagree

limpid plank
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That's the thing though - he didn't interpret her as endangered - any person in their right mind would've considering the circumstances

indigo patrol
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You’re not going to convince me the show was an “atrocity” lol

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Mental word

limpid plank
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I don't need to convince you - that's objective fact 🙂

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Feel free to disagree with facts no harm no foul

indigo patrol
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Don’t say things like that

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Very cringe

limpid plank
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that's okay

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like you can't even agree that the writing is total crap

indigo patrol
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‘The Star Wars telly show I didn’t like is objectively an atrocity’

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Like

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That’s just so silly

limpid plank
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oh it's not just me who didn't like it

indigo patrol
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I know bud

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You have many friends on IMDb

limpid plank
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I think pretty much everyone on this channel hated it

indigo patrol
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Ok

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Do you want me to fall in line?

limpid plank
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you do you lol like what you wanna like not my problem

indigo patrol
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I said I liked the show I didn’t mean to trigger ya

limpid plank
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I think there's a difference between liking something and saying it's genuinely good