📺The Acolyte

[limpid plank]

The dialogue in The Acolyte is awful

[tough spear]

That’s just my honest opinion, i’ll end up finishing the show so I can soak up Lore

Other than that, it’s whatever

[limpid plank]

I just think it’s pathetic that execs greenlight junk instead of taking the time to have writers craft a compelling script

They need a new writers room

[tawny zenith]

I agree they should spend more time per project.

[limpid plank]

And if Headland wrote this then I’m sorry it just proved Natasha Lyone did all the work in Russian Doll

[cursive tinsel]

Interaction completed

mari

Ewoks: The Battle for Endor (1985)

Director: Ken Wheat
Runtime: 100 mins
Genres: Family, Fantasy, Adventure, Science Fiction, TV Movie
Rating: 2.45 (9.65K)
Stats: 17.9K • 5.13K • 1.94K

Searched 2 times

[tawny zenith]

I grew up on that and its prequel. Fond memories.

[sturdy egret]

their only crime is not bringing ewoks back

[proper drift]

I’m with ya, watched 3 episodes, the infamous 3rd ep wasn’t the greatest, I can say at least they are trying new ideas which is nice… but man that power of many scene is just hard to stomach. At worst the show is 50% 2.5/5. There is a portion of this story that is compelling even if a little bit, who did kill the witches, certainly it couldn’t have been mae? What are the Jedi hiding… these are answers that obv won’t be told by the 3rd ep, not sure why people expected the answers already.

[proper drift]

I do think Mob mentality/heard mentality is a reason of it being scored so harshly. every one is dogging on “show” because it’s trendy to do and gets likes on YouTube, TikTok, X

[sturdy egret]

Aren't the witches like a cult? cults have the stupidest slogans in real life too

[proper drift]

Also they’re was huge misinformation campaign trying to say the lead actress was trying to make a group of people feel uncomfortable, that audio clip was taken out of context from an interview for a diff show/film

https://youtube.com/shorts/54W14R5eMFA?si=idR4-ljWQQJB4iGA

[wild ginkgo]

Not

An

Excuse

This is ficitoin

You can come up with anything you want.

And tbh there are cults that have bad ass slogans.

[tawny zenith]

Apparently you cant come up with anything you want, cuz this extinct coven of witches keeps getting bashed.

Since when is "The power of the many" a bad slogan?

[limpid plank]

Who is ready to shit talk episode 4 in 2 hours

[tawny zenith]

I'll watch it. If i find a reason to shit talk, i'll be the first. 😛

[limpid plank]

Who are we kidding though

It’s not like they changed writers rooms man

[devout plank]

Me.

Jk

Obese

That’s what I’m referring to

Also the list isn’t head canon it’s lore that was established from the films… if otherwise, I would ignore it.

[limpid plank]

Welp

Just when it was about to get interesting

It ended

That was a horrible cliffhanger man

This should’ve been a 60 minute show

Making it 30 or whatever was a horrible choice

[devout plank]

Ki Adi Mundi

What they do to you

Nah jk that isn’t him.

“I saw her fall no one could’ve survived that”.

Ah yes the now Star Wars traditional they survive dive.

https://tenor.com/view/assassins-creed-leap-of-faith-fail-gif-23775427

I’ll coin the term, “leap of destiny”

[limpid plank]

The dialogue is still pretty shit

So is the acting

The green woman is so fucking bad

And she’s Leslie Headland’s girlfriend

[devout plank]

The wife

Actually

[limpid plank]

Yeah wife whatever

She fucking sucks and shouldn’t be there

So fuck Leslie Headland for putting her there

[devout plank]

Yea her acting reminds me a bit of the robot woman from Star Trek.

https://tenor.com/view/jeri-ryan-seven-of-nine-7of9-star-trek-voyager-tushy-gif-26134701

This lady to the right

[limpid plank]

She’s so ass

It shouldn’t be allowed

To cast loved ones who have no talent

[devout plank]

Like James Gunn

[limpid plank]

His wife isn’t a bad actress though

This woman is horrible

[devout plank]

“Transform into the force”

I need explain

[tawny zenith]

What Obi-Wan did in empire and return.

the blue ghost thing

[devout plank]

That wasn’t a thing. Yoda found out via Qui-Gon

[calm night]

A really short 4th episode but the ending was cool. Also great to see ||younger Ki adi mundi||. So, Mae's motivation ||is a bit confusing, like she found a sith lord who forced her to kill Jedis but now her allegiance lies with Osha?? ||

[devout plank]

Ki Adi is born 96 BBY it’s a different one of the same species?

[modest night]

I don't understand why people are surprised to see blatant nepotism/favoritism from Leslye Handland, she was literally Harvey Weinsteins personal assistant who refused to testify against him and was very defensive of him up until he was convicted (and then shifted her tone 180 degrees the second he was). These hollywood elite types aren't exactly known for their business ethics.

[modest night]

That's Seven of Nine, played by Jeri Ryan. Her acting is intentionally bad, that characters backstory is she was assimilated into a hive mind and turned into a cyborg at the age of 5, until Voyager rescued her like 20 years later. So she essentially has no social or life experience. I think the idea was she was supposed to be Voyagers equivalent of Spock from TOS or Data from TNG.

[devout plank]

I don’t mind the acting it reminded me of this one.

Never seen Star Trek outside of the OG

It’s like the Venestra actress is intentionally acting like a robot.

[supple tusk]

WHO TF ENDS AN EPISODE LIKE THAT

[modest night]

NVM I am an idiot

[supple tusk]

Episode 4 was pretty good

[devout plank]

Why are you answering this… that’s 20 BBY this show is a hundred years before.

[modest night]

Oh shit your right

Sorry its kinda late lol

[devout plank]

Im surprised because he’s born 96 BBY four years after the events in this show

[supple tusk]

smh

[devout plank]

Meaning that this is not Ki Adi Mundi

Although he looks very much the same?

[modest night]

I haven't watched anything past Episode 1, EP1 was such pure flaming garbage I lost all interest. I only keep checking back in this thread to see if the show improves any at all or cleans up any of the lore its messed up.

[devout plank]

Im still surprised this is 180 million dollar budget.

[supple tusk]

AYO THE SITH IS BLACK????

I had to slow it down

Thought it was a glove

[devout plank]

“What is that” bish the force can be used to know someone has dark or light side minded.

Wow

That’s how the episode ends

[devout plank]

It’s the mom

Like there’s no way it isn’t

[supple tusk]

No way. The sith voice is mad deep.

But

[devout plank]

Voice changer like Kylo

[supple tusk]

I wont pass by the idea

[devout plank]

The gesture gave it away. I may be very wrong but I saw that brief force move and I can see that being the reveal..

[modest night]

Alot of Sith use voice changers, even in the high republic era. Revan and Malak both used them in KOTOR (set way before this).

[supple tusk]

Right

[devout plank]

4000 years to be exact

[supple tusk]

Gonna be a crazy episode 5

[devout plank]

Really hope

I want crazy

[supple tusk]

Like i was digging this episode

[devout plank]

Just so I type

https://tenor.com/view/typing-laptop-cat-busy-cute-gif-5822667

[supple tusk]

Idk who directed this episode but go ahead and bring that person back

https://x.com/zegar_michael/status/1803253155058086139

Maycuzai (@zegar_michael) on X

Ki-Adi-Mundi hiding Sith in #TheAcolyte Episode 4? @realswtheory reaction is priceless 😂.

#starwars

Twitter · Jun 19, 2024, 2:27 AM

So what is he talking about?

[devout plank]

I feel like the 30 min runtime is so small. It seems the show is more like a vignette…

[devout plank]

Idk I don’t like him either

He is a really big fan of the movies

[supple tusk]

Who the hell is Ki adi mundi exactly

[devout plank]

A Jedi council member

[supple tusk]

Is he a big deal for him to be acting out like this?

[devout plank]

His notable contribution is in the clone wars, his species is actually an endangered one and because of this the Jedi accommodated him to allow to procreate and have children to preserve his kind.

[devout plank]

I’ll be honest it’s bizarre the other guy that looks like his species had the same identical mustache.

https://youtu.be/HTgxuRG59k8?si=G1A01x1WDCGfM3Ys

[supple tusk]

Do you even think it's the same guy?

[devout plank]

Nope

I was about to

Because it threw me off but his voice is very different from the movies

So that gave it away almost immediately.

[supple tusk]

Like i was thinking.......it's probably not him

I go on twitter to see if there's anything that i miss and i see the guy going nuts over this jedi guy

Like i dont even think he was that important

[devout plank]

This is where my head canon fills in the gaps. It might be his father. Considering it’s an endangered species it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary that some children are able to pick up the force.

This makes sense

[supple tusk]

That would make sense of great great granddad

[devout plank]

That guy will literally cry over anything Luke related. It’s cringe.

[supple tusk]

I dont understand why

[devout plank]

https://youtu.be/gigMYpKiGQ4?si=szi69oVqkaYt5ugl

[devout plank]

He’s a die hard fan

I get it

But I wouldn’t really cry for member berries

It’s just cool

[supple tusk]

I dont sense anything luke related at all from both shows

[devout plank]

I would cry at the execution of the 1-6 films because there is so much emotion in many of the moments in the saga.

[supple tusk]

The mando and acolyte its own thing to even talk about luke or anything about it

[devout plank]

Luke enters in season 2

And season 3 we see more

They integrated a character people wanted to be more involved in the franchise.

[supple tusk]

But we not getting anything luke related in acolyte

It doesnt make sense

[devout plank]

No he’s watching it because he’s a fan who is worried the IP will be ruined. This isn’t about Luke, he’s aware of that, it’s about wether Anakin’s existence is no retconned ie the force birth.

Which people are misunderstanding exactly what that power entails and means…

[supple tusk]

Right

But i dont even see ashoka get this much hate lol

[devout plank]

Because it’s not trying to claim to be a prequel of a whole IP.

Ashoka is like a side story

When Phantom Menace came back to theaters this show was tied to it via exclusive clip of the Acolyte (Master Indara’s fight).

The idea being how the universe of the films started.

[supple tusk]

Also I want that training bokken

[modest night]

The big change would be that Anakins birth was the will of the force itself to bring balance to the force (which he KIND OF did: by destroying practically everyone capable of using it to a high degree). Now its suggesting that same mechanism can be used by those sufficiently powerful in the force. That makes Anakin far less unique. I apparently need to watch Episodes 2-4 of The Acolyte, but I am generally AGAINST newer series in cherished IPs trying to change meaning or signifigance of prior events in the series. Anything George Lucas set up is protected ground, only Lucas is allowed to make changes to it.

[devout plank]

Yes. I’ve been saying this many times. It means a lot to me as well. I’m just not going out of my way to call people media illiterate because they are trying to enjoy this stuff. I even listed my grievances with the philosophy of the Jedi and I’m told it’s “head canon”…

Also he did bring balance, writers unbalanced it.

To Lucas this is true.

@modest night it doesn’t help that the show runner hired people who never bothered about Star Wars to write the story.

It’s not like Tony Gilroy’s case

He doesn’t even like it and yet went out his way to use Wiki…

[supple tusk]

What is this stick the padawan has? I know it's for training but whats the name of it?

[modest night]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bokken_saber

[supple tusk]

Oh so it is called a bokken

bet

[modest night]

I have no idea why, but there is a trend in hollywood that whenever your making new content in an existing IP, to keep people that grew up on the IP and know it well from getting creative control. I honestly think its intentional, and they do it in hopes of pushing the IP more towards the mainstream. I've just accepted at this point that nerds

are not the target audience

this is the target audience

Lol of course the first image that comes up if you google "average nerds in the 1990s" is a picture of John Romero and John Carmack.

[wild ginkgo]

Wait what?

[hidden cypress]

I will admit the travel times are bit game of thronesy in this show. At one point they say "three hours until sundown" and in that time the jedi assemble a task force and travel to the planet and speak to the locals before the sun goes down.
I mean I kinda expected there to be a reveal that the jedi task force would find the wookie dead and that they were there two days after what happened in the other pov scenes :P

and it's not like it's the first time it has happened either

[tawny zenith]

He's born in that year in legends not canon.

[sturdy egret]

It was a good episode

[proper drift]

It was pretty bad tho

[tawny zenith]

I believe that you and many other people think so.

[proper drift]

Should have cried at what they did in acolyte ep 3 🤣

[tawny zenith]

What was that?

[proper drift]

For me that’s the only portion I hate , the other parts of the show I don’t dislike, I need to see all episodes of the show before making any judgements about writing and plot. That specific scene just didn’t fit with the tone of the show or StarWars. Someone earlier had a point of maybe it’s being used to show how silly cults and their slogans are? (Interesting take )

Oh is the new episode out?

[sturdy egret]

|| https://tenor.com/view/acolyte-jedi-sith-lightsaber-fight-gif-2039080620593000453 ||

[proper drift]

😭 oh man i should have waited to click, there gonna be a cool battle?

[sturdy egret]

maybe the next episode

[void bear]

i have a theory

its pretty out there

what if the guy who's been helping mae (idk his name) is actually her master

[sturdy egret]

it is their mother who became darth vader after the fire

but I really hope not

[tawny zenith]

What?

[limpid plank]

Yeah the green chick is Headland’s wife

[limpid plank]

Every episode is flaming garbage

But 4 was less (still garbage) than ep 3

[hidden cypress]

the first two episodes were promising

[limpid plank]

No they weren’t they sucked 😂

They looked like a CW show

[hidden cypress]

I think this show is one of the better looking star wars shows. it looks like they shot on locations occasionally

[void bear]

yeah i think visually the show is not bad

[limpid plank]

It’s so small and everything (except for the fourth episode) looks like a set

[devout plank]

Okay so Star Wars Theory reaction is valid

I saw it mentions 132 BBY and the post was mocking him in saying that Ki Adi Mundi’s species have a life span of 50 years

[limpid plank]

https://youtu.be/SUB2ib6LFp8?feature=shared

https://tenor.com/view/ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-happy-funny-śmiech-gif-22074544

[devout plank]

lol

I like Jeremy

[limpid plank]

He’s a beast

[calm night]

A really short 4th episode which was fine but the ending was interesting. Also great to see ||younger Ki adi mundi||. So, Mae's motivation ||is a bit confusing, like she found a sith lord who forced her to kill Jedis but now her allegiance lies with Osha?? ||

[proper drift]

I had seen clips on TikTok that made it look really bad, but the sets don’t look as bad as CW, current CW shows are worse

[sturdy egret]

her motivation was taking revenge from the jedi for killing her sister?

[limpid plank]

Why would she think her sister is dead

The thing that’s insanely ridiculous is how easily characters change their mind

Like Osha was pretty hellbent on saying fuck you to the Jedi and a short conversation with Sol immediately makes her do a 180

Mae is hellbent on killing the Jedi and we have ZERO character development other than finding out her sister is alive (and she literally threatened to kill her sister in the flashback so toss logic out the window). Her 180 feels contrived and again, they need more time to flesh out these characters. 27 mins is way too fucking short.

Compare this to House of the Dragon, where scenes and characters are given room to breathe and most of the episode isn’t useless filler.

[sturdy egret]

but it was written in 100 years

[hidden cypress]

it's no Andor

[limpid plank]

The writing is so god awful man

[limpid plank]

Then don’t green light it until the writing is on that level same goes for every show of theirs

When James Gunn took over DC, one of the changes he said he’d made was making sure the script was as perfect as they could make it before going into production. They should apply that rationale to Disney + shows

[devout plank]

That’s what Lucasfilm Ltd. Is for…

[limpid plank]

They’re green lighting first drafts

[hidden cypress]

the moth thing where the barely audible (but in the subtitles) lines of "it went straight for the saber""it must be attracted to light"
and then the payoff for that won't be until next episode when most reasonable people have forgotten about the setup!

[devout plank]

This just doesn’t add up. How is it this event defined the Jedi’s acceptability of getting children about toddler age?

Ki Adi- Mundi shouldn’t even be a thing here. He’s an endangered species and yet can live hundred years?

Why make such a change other than key dangling.

[hidden cypress]

you know elephants are also endangered and can live for a long time

[devout plank]

They aren’t getting hunted

I guess Ki Adi has ivory

[hidden cypress]

elves in tolkien are also notoriously rare, but live a long-ass time

[sturdy egret]

where is the young muscular yoda?

[devout plank]

When he says, “you have feelings of your mother” it’s a line that doesn’t need to be re-contextualized since Yoda said, “see through you we can”.

[sturdy egret]

they made all those non canon, as soon as they bought the franchise

[limpid plank]

Did you guys like Andor

I can’t get through a show unless I care about the protagonist or at least their story

And I don’t give a shit about Cassian he’s boring imo and Diego Luna sucks

Even though the dialogue is fantastic

I just don’t like Diego Luna as an actor

[calm night]

Andor is in a separate league among star wars shows imo.. it is absolutely amazing and the story is much more than just about Cassian.. there are other fascinating characters too.

[calm night]

It looks like Andor was really an exception. Acolyte is not even on the level of season 3 of The mandalorian which wasn't great.

[sturdy egret]

Acolyte is close to the disney trilogy in quality but more watchable

[hidden cypress]

Acolyte is a lot better than Ahsoka at least

I wonder when they'll get to shows starting with B

[calm night]

For me Ahsoka is miles better but then I'm a huge fan of Rebels show and characters..

I like Sol a little but other than that no other character has grabbed me.

[hidden cypress]

I think Sol is quite a compelling character. A bit of a Qui-Gon style jedi "rebel". I also quite like his apprentice and the way she says "yord"

and obviously the dude from The Good Place is fun and I wish I had a show about him. unless it turns out he's the master and/or has some silly stuff going on

[limpid plank]

He's the protagonist

They should've cast someone else to play Sol like Hiroyuki Sanada

[hidden cypress]

I think the guy who's doing Sol is doing fine

[limpid plank]

Lee Jung-jae just doesn't have the gravitas and "I've seen some gnarly shit" look

[hidden cypress]

though I guess he's not famous-famous

[calm night]

Ya he's alright

[limpid plank]

I think they were banking off Squid Game's popularity

There are so many better English-speaking Asian actors who

[calm night]

You mean Cassian?? Yes he is and his arc is fantastic in the show

[limpid plank]

Yeah I think Diego Luna blows

Like I can't sit through 8 eps of a show if the main actor sucks

[hidden cypress]

I sort of know the feeling. I always have difficulty with Jake Gyllenhaal movies. They may be good but there's something about that guy

[limpid plank]

Have you seen Nightcrawler, Prisoners, and Nocturnal Animals

[hidden cypress]

yes

[calm night]

Well you are missing out then.

[hidden cypress]

I liked AmbuLAnce more

[hidden cypress]

seems I have not seen nocturnal animals, I mixed it up with nighcrawler, the titles suggest they are the same movie :P

[limpid plank]

He's fantastic in all of them imo

[jolly spruce]

Qimir is the master, right?

[limpid plank]

Him or the shitty actress who plays the other mom

[jolly spruce]

😐

[limpid plank]

Not Jodie Turner Smith she's good the other one

[hidden cypress]

Diego Luna is fantastic in Andor imo

[limpid plank]

He's ass

I don't think I've ever seen a good performance from him

[jolly spruce]

Beside the fact that I don't trust your judgement of actors

I don't think she is

She isn't a casual force user

Witches are different
They don't use lightsabers

[limpid plank]

She's pretty shit

Her, green lady, and Young Osha are easily the worst actors of the bunch

[jolly spruce]

As a said before, I don't care

Qimir can be an young Darth Plagueis

Just an apprentice trying to overthrow his master

[limpid plank]

Jesus Andor's 12 episodes? Yeah, considering Luna's acting, I'm out

[devout plank]

Luna has as much screen time as the rest of the cast which is not as much time.

[bitter stream]

https://tenor.com/view/well-bye-later-see-you-bye-gif-16004210

...anyway

Mae's change of heart was something else. .terrible writing

[limpid plank]

Oh it made absolutely no sense

[void bear]

yeah that was so random

[tawny zenith]

Until you figure it isnt one.

Mae loved Osha from the start. Rallying to her once she found out she was alive makes sense.

Stopped killing Jedi too.

[limpid plank]

She threatened to kill her sister for fucks sake

[tawny zenith]

when they were kids. no?

[limpid plank]

yeah

and she was ready to kill Kenacca or whatever

then she does a massive 180 halfway there

[tawny zenith]

till she found out Osha was alive.

[sturdy egret]

She tried to BBQ osha

[tawny zenith]

when they were kids.

[sturdy egret]

she is insane

[tawny zenith]

agreed.

[limpid plank]

she knew Osha was alive before heading to that planet lol

so no that doesn't make any sense

you don't just do a full 180 without any character development whatsoever

[tawny zenith]

I agree.

[sturdy egret]

|| Following a brief fight, Mae prepared to stab him with the hidden blade, just as he revealed that her sister, Osha, was alive and with them on the planet. Surprised, Mae hesitated for a second, allowing Yord to pull her dagger away with the Force and jump down to confront her with his lightsaber drawn. ||

[limpid plank]

lol wut

[void bear]

i personally interpreted mae's actions as her just being fucking scared shitless of her master

knowing she would fail him and he would kill her

and choosing to be with her sister instead

[limpid plank]

then why the hell did she wait till she was on the planet to make that decision

[void bear]

because bad writing

the show has atrocious writing

[limpid plank]

why didn't she just ditch Qimir as soon as she found out? Okay then yeah horrible writing

[void bear]

that's why

[limpid plank]

So we agree lmao

[void bear]

yes

i think the show is fine

like 5/10

[limpid plank]

I'd give it a 3-4

[tawny zenith]

7

[void bear]

really bad writing, but just enough slightly interesting things to keep me watching until my dinsey+ subscription expires in a few weeks

maybe a 6/10

[limpid plank]

7? Jesus

[void bear]

we'll see

depends on where the show goes from here

[limpid plank]

The Boys S4 is like a 7 so far

[tawny zenith]

Its a pretty series and the action is good. so far.

[void bear]

i do still think/hope that the guy who's been helping mae is actually her master

that would be a fun twist

[limpid plank]

I won't rate a series higher than a 4 if the writing is this awful

[void bear]

but idk if the writers of the show are competent enough to realize that

[limpid plank]

what do you mean

[tawny zenith]

Qimir being a sith lord.

[limpid plank]

oh yeah but it's incredibly obvious

it's either him or one of her moms

[tawny zenith]

Kinda takes me back to when people thought Jar jar was one.

[sturdy egret]

maybe there is no sith and it is an inside job

[tawny zenith]

Only this time, could be true.

[limpid plank]

Maybe the sith is the friends we made along the way

[tawny zenith]

Sith playing the goofball. If that's true, it kinda cool.

[void bear]

i think it would be a good twist

but i think theres only like a 1/3 chance of it being true

[jolly spruce]

Most probably she was under control

of a sith lord

who helped their conception

who helped the witches

[tawny zenith]

or she's just insanely possessive of her sister, which was already shown.

[jolly spruce]

I think the dark side is in play here
Perhaps the two sisters represent two side

Osha/Ashla

[tawny zenith]

Osha and mae

[jolly spruce]

Also the covenant is built on the top of a sith temple

[jolly spruce]

Osha feels similar to Ashla(The light side)

[tawny zenith]

ah.

[jolly spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[tawny zenith]

Dunno, cant wait for this show to be over so i can stop getting told i'm part of the problem for watching it.

[proper drift]

He is though https://youtu.be/O77VTIAYGVA?si=apJ7OxlvXL2NGTaw

[devout plank]

Im excited for this^

Darth Jar Jar and Jedi Vader

[wild ginkgo]

Guys, did they kill off the Wookie jedi they've been advertising before they even showed him fight?

Please tell me that shit aint true.

[tawny zenith]

Eh.

[limpid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-see-you-salute-take-care-ti-gif-17296237

The worst thing in ep 4 and proves the writers have no clue what the fuck they're doing is Mae's sudden shift

LITERALLY NOTHING up to that point (post when she finds out Osha's alive) suggests she's wrestling with her duty to the master versus doing the right thing

So it quite literally comes out of the blue

We don't get a single scene or beat where she displays doubt it's screenwriting 101 and these people failed.

[void bear]

so turns out i am actually not a genius, and everyone and their mother suspects that qimir is the sith master

[limpid plank]

They're making it too obvious so I'm hoping he's a red herring

[void bear]

i want to be wrong about it lol

like come on show

please dont do the obvious thing

[wild ginkgo]

Morpho

Even on a popcorn level

You gotta say that’s a missed shot

[tawny zenith]

If i must.

I was just gonna be impressed and think "ok, the guy who did this can beat a friggin Wookie Jedi, he means buisness."

But since i have to hate it...

[wild ginkgo]

You don’t gotta hate it Morpho

But what do you like about it

[steady jay]

My god. How hard is it to pick a runtime and stick generally with it?

also the friend/guide is totally the master, right?

[tawny zenith]

I just like that its more star wars, and that's pretty much it. Is it perfect? No. Is it woke? I dunno. I dont think the presence of lgbt women of color makes it woke. And if it does, then everything past and present is woke. Is it worse than the Xmas special? Jesus christ no.

Right now i'm enjoying the mystery. And the fact that the Sith in this series might be even better at going unseen than Palpatine.

If it is indeed Qimir.

With Palpatine, there were signs. "Kill him. Kill him now."

Anyways, that's my point of view, not that its any use to anyone.

[void bear]

yeah thats definitely what it seems like

[devout plank]

More of a miss shot than Greedo on Han

[steady jay]

I mean, I kind of guessed before the master dude turned up

[devout plank]

Could be, but if he clouds the Jedi from sensing who he is that well, then I wonder exactly how powerful is that dude? I guess the idea is don’t judge a book by its cover akin to Yoda’s first appearance in Empire?

[steady jay]

honestly, I don't really care enough to speculate 🤣

[devout plank]

They updated Ki Adi Mundi’s age the moment this episode aired. Even the fan wiki didn’t expect this to be real because it said it was an error.

[tawny zenith]

Gotta update the canon.

[void bear]

i feel like making one side character older isn't the massive lore breaking retcon that some angry fans are making it out to be

[calm night]

So the budget of the show is 180 million dollars and we don't even get a Wookie Jedi fight..

[void bear]

i will say, this show had some EXTREMELY misleading marketing

how the fuck did they manage to make a wookie jedi boring

in what universe is that even possible

[devout plank]

I disagree, after ten years they are deciding to still reintroduce stories that were legends and also changing character ages to fit with member berries so people who easily latch onto nostalgia can look at it and drool. This last part is what I would say IF nothing happens that involves Ki Adi Mundi. Because if they are showing him to show how Jedi hide their mistakes then that’s outright character assassination for a Jedi Master. The Jedi don’t fail because of a structural corruption within its religious system, it failed because of pure hubris and ignorance for their isolationist lifestyle allowed to be easily manipulated by the Chancellor…

Again im hoping they do utilize him instead of being on screen puju like the wookie Jedi. Great idea, but why bother?

In a way you’re right, it isn’t canon breaking, but those who are anal retentive to this property have come to a point where there’s a series of lore breaking/contrivances akin to a boiling water very steadily for people like Star Wars Theory, and he’s a literal fanboy who gave all the other shows chances. It culminated to him getting mad over something petty because this is the end result of vilifying nerds and trying to appeal to mainstream…

[void bear]

i mean i think what they're doing is a symptom of a larger problem

which is disney refusing to acknowledge legends

and decanonizing them so that they dont have to deal with royalties

only picking and choosing what they want to keep and claiming it as their own creations

[wild ginkgo]

Is that why they did it?

Because of royalty’s?

[void bear]

it is widely considered to be the main reason

obviously disney hasnt said thats why they did it

[proper drift]

Be prepared for disappointment

[devout plank]

Alan Dean Foster, an author who has written for Star Wars novelizations had for a long time not received royalties from Disney.

[wild ginkgo]

Now

Did Kennedy actually do it?

Or did disney twist her arm

[devout plank]

Well Alan is behind beloved novelization of Revenge of the Sith. I don’t know other names but I know quality control is not even a thing in Lucasfilm Ltd.

The comics side there’s an artist that just traces over fan material

It’s very bizarre

https://youtu.be/GcgxgJOjPUI?si=c_BBxqFVmfwBNsH1

[wild ginkgo]

No no, I mean did Kennedy actually wanna make the call of decannonizing?

Or did Disney twist her arm and let her take the fall of it

[tawny zenith]

Yah, we deserve better. Doesent mean what we're getting right now isnt enjoyable.

[hidden cypress]

I'm pretty sure the fact that disney aren't paying authors their royalties (something they've always been bad at, see also how they've treated their comic artists over the years) has nothing to do with the way they treat the weird mess that older star wars "canon" once was

[wild ginkgo]

That's even worst tbh

It's purely financial

[hidden cypress]

when has it not been about the money

[void bear]

when it's about sending a message

[wild ginkgo]

At least Lucas paid his writters

At least he let them go on and make great sh

Theres a scale man.

Everyones out for money, man some more then others.

[hidden cypress]

I meant about Disney

[wild ginkgo]

On my bad

oh*

[stuck widget]

There's things I like about this show and things I don't

Episode 4 was the worst by far tho

The way it just cuts in the middle of a scene to the credits

Also dumbass writing in one part of E4. Mae saying she's gonna turn herself in is just kinda bad writing lol. Liiike

(imo)

[devout plank]

It isn’t kinda. It is. Doesn’t make much sense to turn that drastically. I guess the excuse is that she’s forced to kill the Jedi?

[limpid plank]

https://youtu.be/GonaAnC9c68?feature=shared

For you guys throwing hissy fits over this

(I have no clue who the fuck Ki Adi Mundi is)

[calm night]

I don't much know about him either except that he was a character in the prequels, member of the Jedi high council I believe

[void bear]

yeah people are acting like they ruined some major character because a side character i had never heard of before was retconned to be a bit older

[devout plank]

I don’t like that guy either. He’s a literal shill

[devout plank]

Because he lied to the council is the claim. It’s creating an issue without there ever being one. All to tell a more politicized religious order. Of course we have four episodes left to explain what a red lightsaber smiley guy is… but this conflict of good and evil goes as far back as 25,000 years (Dawn of the Jedi) so we just wait for the next episodes to drop.

[limpid plank]

He's not though - would he constantly shit on The Acolyte if he was a literal shill?

[proper drift]

This is accurate and it’s accurate that the acolyte is mid af

[limpid plank]

nobody gives a fuck about that character other than die hard nerds

[devout plank]

He was for many years. I guess Disney stopped inviting him to early screenings.

Same with how Collider got mad at one point for not going to Galaxy’s Edge early.

[limpid plank]

He wasn’t though

He’s hated pretty much every show of theirs

Went to the Rise of Skywalker premiere

Hated the movie

[tawny zenith]

Whatever.

[devout plank]

He was, RLM made fun of his type of content going back to 2016-2019

[void bear]

to be fair, i think even the most die hard star wars fans hated the rise of skywalker

[tawny zenith]

too rushed, nonsensical.

but i got the wilies when the Darth vader dying theme was playing as Rey explored the wreck of the death star.

[supple tusk]

Watching this video and this make since. Mind you im still very new to this.

[steady jay]

https://x.com/ThatChrisGore/status/1803835537083764916

Chris Gore (@ThatChrisGore) on X

Prepare for an all-day global event.

#StarWarsFuneral

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 5:01 PM

[devout plank]

I really dislike drama queen Chris Gore. He’s a shit critic too.

[supple tusk]

man wtf

ITS NOT THAT DEEP

[calm night]

This is what toxic star wars fandom looks like, seriously if you don't like something it is fine but then you bring all this other stuff into the conversation

[supple tusk]

right

[devout plank]

I’ll say grabbing a foundation and toying with it isn’t what I like, even then I won’t be crying to this extent. These people are as film illiterate as Lucas claims critics to be.

[calm night]

My problem with The Acolyte is the writing and some nonsensical rushed decisions that characters are making like Mae for instance changing her mind all of a sudden..

[supple tusk]

It's only the writing. There's no 'woke' agenda here at all, just bad writing and stiff acting. It's not the actors fault its the people behind this shit.

[calm night]

Agreed but you can't have debate with some people as they will mention that "woke" agenda and not debate on the writing issues.

[supple tusk]

Like sure they showed some lesbians........it's just the night sisters but a group of outcast.

But still

come on, you're making star wars lame and unfun to get into.

[calm night]

Ya

[tawny zenith]

Good thing i got into it in 85.

[blissful drift]

if you think the main reason they decanonized all the old stuff is licensing, there is a george lucas sized elephant you are ignoring

lucas hated that shit!

he spent the better part of the post episode 3-7 era basically fuming at all the weird shit licensing had signed off on and now expected to be treated as gospel

none of that was ever canon or actually approved by lucasfilm

[steady jay]

it was all just fanfic

[blissful drift]

lucas made that call, it was actually a pre-disney decision

this is my dumb hobbyhorse i get so annoyed at people screaming at disney for it cause you idiots nobody liked that shit till it was ripped away

the behind the scenes on the clone wars is literally just filoni going "look at all this cool EU stuff" and george throwing it all in the trash

go cry in your mara jade pajamas

[wild ginkgo]

Source?

[blissful drift]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Canon

[wild ginkgo]

Cause everything I’ve seen about it, says otherwise

[blissful drift]

because nobody talks about the pre-disney canon debates anymore

G-canon and T-canon comprised George Lucas' vision of the Star Wars universe, whereas C and S canons comprised the vision of the Star Wars universe held by Lucas Licensing until 2014.

this was already in the works for years prior to disney, the purchase created a clean slate that allowed them to make unilateral decrees

but he was always going down this path

like even pre disney lucas' vision for 789 was never going to use any of the EU material of that era

[wild ginkgo]

Does doesn’t say he decannoixed the entire legends timeline at all

There were levels

[limpid plank]

The fact that SW has canon levels is so sad

[wild ginkgo]

But he didn’t axe the entire thing

[limpid plank]

Like can you get any more nerd than that 😅

[blissful drift]

levels in which george lucas disregarded anything below T

it was never considered for certain that any of this was canon

or canon at all

and he frequently overrode it!

[wild ginkgo]

And Disney cut everything above C

Everything

They took what we did, and turned it up to 1000

[blissful drift]

thats the opposite of what happened

they cut C and below

[wild ginkgo]

That’s what I meant

[limpid plank]

Broskis

[wild ginkgo]

My bad I said above

Below

[limpid plank]

Why are y’all arguing about this

[wild ginkgo]

He pinged me bruh

Idk what he’s on

[blissful drift]

no they just formalized what he said for years

this was something lucas had been vocal about for ages

[limpid plank]

hahaha I'm just saying there might be more productive things to do

[wild ginkgo]

I just got up from a nap

lol

[blissful drift]

people just pretend disney deleted canon cause it prevents confronting their uncomfortable reality

[wild ginkgo]

I could go back to saving dream land tbh

[steady jay]

and yet, does anyone who just watches the films or show even notice?

[blissful drift]

no because its just the same debates as they were 20 years ago

where EU fans get angry if you insist their fanfic was bad and fake

[wild ginkgo]

Didn’t cut nearly as much as Disney bruh

[blissful drift]

he cut the same amount

[wild ginkgo]

Nope

[blissful drift]

he just didnt slap a "legends" label on it

lucas never considered any of this stuff canon

[wild ginkgo]

There’s a huge difference between making some hard cut and soft cut bruh

Huge difference my g

[blissful drift]

because most people didnt care until they made new movies

[steady jay]

people seem to forget that Lucas was just making it up as he went when he was writing the OG films.

[wild ginkgo]

I did

[blissful drift]

but he would have done the same thing and even proposed it

[wild ginkgo]

Yeah because the movies sucked

They gave up good shit for this ass.

[blissful drift]

lucas submitted frameworks for 789 and they were pretty similar

im sorry jacen solo is no more

[wild ginkgo]

It’s like Disney puts out dog shit, and people wonder why they called out for cutting so much cannon

[blissful drift]

because they didnt cut it?

lucas did

he hated that shit

mara jade was getting her ass deleted the second lucas cared to think about it

[wild ginkgo]

He tolerated it, and at the very least allowed plausibility

[blissful drift]

he absolutely did not

he considered it an AU to star wars

[wild ginkgo]

Yes tf he did

Not everything was NC

[blissful drift]

it absolutely was

[wild ginkgo]

There are things that could plausibly be there

[blissful drift]

literally none of the mandalorian stuff from the EU was canon

[wild ginkgo]

So the levels didn’t matter?

[blissful drift]

they did

[blissful drift]

the levels were the same thing disney did

where anything lucas didnt like was non canon

[wild ginkgo]

Ok so, he did allow as certain levels for there to be plausibility

[blissful drift]

no

it was never plausible

[wild ginkgo]

K it says it in the article you sent.

[blissful drift]

it was always considered non canonical

[wild ginkgo]

So idk what you on about

[blissful drift]

do you need glasses

[wild ginkgo]

Do you?

[blissful drift]

what part of "george lucas did not consider it canon" do you need help with

it was never canon

[wild ginkgo]

Doesn’t say that for the entirety of Lucas film.

[blissful drift]

if your complaints about the new movies are that they arent based on the new jedi order books, i have bad news, they were never making those

[wild ginkgo]

No

That’s aren’t my complaints at all

My complains is that episode 8 and 9 are poorly written slogs

I didn’t mind 7

Hellj liked it

[blissful drift]

https://medium.com/@wayofthewarriorx/george-lucas-quotes-on-the-expanded-universe-88635d1f4a44

this is not some hidden thing

[wild ginkgo]

And I think you know that.

[blissful drift]

it was always an alt universe

i think when you say you are upset they replaced the old EU then you have to defend the notion the old EU was ever canon or existing

[wild ginkgo]

In his eyes, not Lucasfilms

In fact he says he understood people wanted to expand and shit

But he doesn’t accept it as his personal cannon

Not that of the fandom

[blissful drift]

disney has actually been more supportive of formalizing EU concepts than anything under lucas

[wild ginkgo]

And that’s fine

I admire him not loving the other authors work but still giving it a place

[blissful drift]

the mandalorians were largely stripped of alot of their EU traditions before lucas left

[wild ginkgo]

Now, if Disney wants to cut 90 percent of the u-

[wild ginkgo]

Can I ask you something

Why now?

This has been said by millions of other people

Millions

This comment was made weeks ago.

Why?

[blissful drift]

cause i was catching up on the convo in this server

and no millions did not say this

[wild ginkgo]

Not that I don’t like a good tussle

[wild ginkgo]

Thousands

You know all the Star Wars fans

[blissful drift]

like a couple idiots like you screeched it cause ki adi mundi got his birthday changed

[wild ginkgo]

It’s a common conception, you know what I mean

[wild ginkgo]

Excuse me?

[blissful drift]

any star wars fan without amnesia or lying knows the score here

[wild ginkgo]

I knew this shit before that.

Tf?

[blissful drift]

people just like pretending that the star wars canon debates pre-disney didnt exist

[wild ginkgo]

I don’t give a fuck about ki mudis b day.

[blissful drift]

so they can whine how disney ruined it

cool, disney never deleted canon, they have actually restored the EU more than lucas ever gave a shit about it

[wild ginkgo]

Restored?!

[blissful drift]

yes!

the mandalorians got all their canon deleted by lucas in clone wars

[wild ginkgo]

The fuck you mean they’ve over written entire factions and storylines.

[blissful drift]

filoni worked out a compromise in the years later

no, because none of those really existed in the first place

[wild ginkgo]

Do what about all lukes kids

And Mara Jane

Did they restore that too?

Oh wait they didn’t

[blissful drift]

no cause nobody likes mara jade, lucas fucking hated her

[wild ginkgo]

No no

[blissful drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq30vO3K4Lw

[wild ginkgo]

Don’t back track

[blissful drift]

its a famous in joke!

that lucas hates this shit

[wild ginkgo]

You claimed that Disney restored the EU

just now

[blissful drift]

im saying disney has formalized and canonized EU concepts that george lucas decreed non canonical

[wild ginkgo]

And I just mentioned a group of major characters that have been 100% over written

[blissful drift]

not all of it obviously

cause they are not restoring stuff thats totally out of line with lucas' idea of star wars

[wild ginkgo]

Ok, so if you care so much about what Lucas thinks

What does he think of the sequels?

[blissful drift]

dude lucas came up with rey

and hermit luke

[wild ginkgo]

No no

[blissful drift]

all the shit people cry about was his idea

[wild ginkgo]

The sequels as they are written now

[wild ginkgo]

Don’t dodge

What does he think

Of the sequels

As they are written now

[blissful drift]

he doesnt talk about them much!

hes not really public anymore!

[wild ginkgo]

Interesting

[blissful drift]

but cry more about mara jade

you fucking idiot

i cant believe you went WHAT ABOUT MARA JADE

the most fan fic ass, always not canon character

lucas would personally come back and burn lucasfilm if they tried that shit

i get you arent that aware of star wars as a concept

[wild ginkgo]

I ain’t the one crying, your the one ridding Disney rn

But ok lil bro

[blissful drift]

you the one who says dumb fake shit

[wild ginkgo]

Didn’t say a single thing that was fake

[blissful drift]

i just like pointing out the people crying about EU are lying assholes

yes you did!

from the jump!

[wild ginkgo]

What?

Nope

[blissful drift]

lucas never tolerated the EU

[wild ginkgo]

and I told you why.

[blissful drift]

it was all fanfic

[wild ginkgo]

Never said he did

[blissful drift]

you 100% did dont fucking lie

[wild ginkgo]

He however allowed it to have a place, in cannon

[wild ginkgo]

Tolerated

[blissful drift]

Framer_101 — Today at 3:26 PM
He tolerated it, and at the very least allowed plausibility

[wild ginkgo]

As in he doesn’t like it

[blissful drift]

it was an alternate universe

not canon

[wild ginkgo]

But he allowed it

[blissful drift]

was never canon

[wild ginkgo]

So all the levels of cannon meant “not cannon”?

Sorry no I don’t think that’s how it worked

[blissful drift]

https://medium.com/@wayofthewarriorx/george-lucas-quotes-on-the-expanded-universe-88635d1f4a44

When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one.

“There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe — the licensing world of the books, games and comic books.”

it was never real you fool

[wild ginkgo]

Yeah so

He tolerated it

But it was still cannon

[blissful drift]

what part of "he doesnt count it as canon" do you need hammered into your thick ass skull

[wild ginkgo]

In his mind, not Lucas films

[blissful drift]

ah the most canonical of things: alternate universes seperate from the creators vision

lucasfilm literally made the levels thing as a compromise

he was probably gonna do similar things to the legends decision afterwards if he went forward with making more movies himself

[wild ginkgo]

So wait

There are levels right?

Meaning it’s not black and white

[blissful drift]

yeah, levels 1 2 are canon

[wild ginkgo]

BUTTTTT

Therefore

Hold on

Therefore

[blissful drift]

and then theres multiple levels that just straight up dont count

say therefore one more time

[wild ginkgo]

Or what?

What?

What you gonna do)

[blissful drift]

i think you have logical holes in your brain

do you have a concussion?

[wild ginkgo]

I think you’re triggered for no reason.

Therefore

There are levels

Above it

That are

To some capacity.

[blissful drift]

under the sea is a fucking level too you moronic asshole

its not canon, never fucking was

it was the levels of things that didnt goddamn count

but assholes like you love lying about it

youve been lying about this from the jump

[wild ginkgo]

So some of it, to some extent did?

Thus the need for levels.

[blissful drift]

none of it did!

legends is also a level

[wild ginkgo]

So why were there levels then?

Because the sources I’m looking at say otherwise bruh

[blissful drift]

there is not a single source that considers anything below what was T canon ever canonical

it was always some weird fanfic nobody was really approving

[wild ginkgo]

Not today

[blissful drift]

ive given you lots of sources for it

you got a source where lucasfilm states they were sharing a universe?

cause i got lots where they say it was never part of the same world as the movies

ive given them to you and your dumb ass goes BUT THE LEVELS

ignoring the need for those levels to say "THIS IS DOGSHIT THAT DOESNT COUNT"

[wild ginkgo]

This is funny ash ngl

[blissful drift]

it was "tolerated" in the sense they were licensed and got the money for it

i agree its very funny watching you insist on fake shit

[wild ginkgo]

You’re the one spelling in all caps

And getting mad

[blissful drift]

spelling in all caps isnt english

[wild ginkgo]

Lmaoo

?

[blissful drift]

name me one god damn thing disney decreed was non canonical

ill wait

you can't

[wild ginkgo]

Mara Jane

All lukes kids

[blissful drift]

lol

[wild ginkgo]

What I did

[blissful drift]

dude those werent canon even before disney

[wild ginkgo]

Maybe not to Lucas, but to the fandom yeah

[blissful drift]

...

so it is fanfic

[wild ginkgo]

Not exactly.

Fanfic is unofficial writings but a third party

Again, idk why you’re so pressed bruh

This show is ass either way.

[blissful drift]

because it annoys me people who hold up the EU like disney destroyed greatness

lucas burned your trash down years ago

but you arent old enough to remember

or are lying right now

[wild ginkgo]

Well, I am 21

So I wouldn’t be

[blissful drift]

then you lack the literal memory of this

[wild ginkgo]

I shouldn’t be talking to kids tbh

[blissful drift]

im 29 man

i actually remember this shit

[wild ginkgo]

Wouldn’t have been my first guess….

Just kidding just kidding

[blissful drift]

this whole debate was raging for years prior to disney

lucas was fucking hated for how he didnt like the EU

[wild ginkgo]

Ok, so do you like the new cannon?

[blissful drift]

clone wars was despised for deleting the old mandos

i think the new canon has better consistency and people have rose tinted glasses about the old days

[wild ginkgo]

I’ve read some of that shit man.

[blissful drift]

its not everything back, but its a more coherent vision for star wars in line with lucas' ideas

[wild ginkgo]

Listen I know it wasn’t all great

[blissful drift]

you literally cant read it all

theres hordes of books out there

[wild ginkgo]

But goddamn some of that shit went harder than this.

Ik

I read the one

About the stormtrooper zombies

In middle school

Oh hey Mando

[devout plank]

Red Harvest is more fun if you liked that. It’s using the Sith power trope to write in a logical zombie story.

[blissful drift]

this might change over time, but the old EU was also way too obsessed with details and storylines that made no sense

[wild ginkgo]

Ok, give me a bad one

Rn

[blissful drift]

like you know that stripe on han solos pants?

[devout plank]

Clone Palpatine

[blissful drift]

thats cause hes secretly a prince or some shit

[wild ginkgo]

Oh

Yeah cut that

Cut it now

[blissful drift]

also this was never gonna be in any sort of canon cause it was hated then

but chewie got a planet dropped on him

i forget the context

but it was a running joke

[wild ginkgo]

Wait

[devout plank]

I never latched onto the books outside the Clone Wars project materials. Those were pretty fun.

[wild ginkgo]

Star killer

Come on star Killer

[blissful drift]

you mean the force unleashed guy?

[wild ginkgo]

Hell yeah

[devout plank]

Thats just no.

[blissful drift]

i think even as they made that they never really counted it as canon

[wild ginkgo]

come on guys wasn’t he cool!

[blissful drift]

yeah but hes basically goku for star wars

[devout plank]

He was

[wild ginkgo]

I know, he’s over powered in joking

[blissful drift]

it kinda breaks alot of internal consistency

[wild ginkgo]

But I think of you brought it down

[devout plank]

Just power fantasy Jedi for us to play.

[blissful drift]

i mean lots of those concepts do still exist

just in disparite places

[wild ginkgo]

And you had the idea of him, and he was like a prerequisite to cloning palp

[devout plank]

Now Podracer Revenge is more believable

Even as teen Anakin being one of the racers

[blissful drift]

like jedi cloning, the inquisitors

[devout plank]

[blissful drift]

the endless hiring of sam witwer

[wild ginkgo]

HAGAHAHAGSGA

[blissful drift]

they got that dude on speed dial

[wild ginkgo]

He plays maul

[devout plank]

He does love the property

[wild ginkgo]

And star killer

[devout plank]

The emperor

[blissful drift]

and palpatine

and the brother

[devout plank]

Voiced by him

[wild ginkgo]

IN RHE SHOW?

[devout plank]

Ye

[blissful drift]

yeah

[wild ginkgo]

In clone wars?

Wtf

[blissful drift]

any time its not ian mcdirmand, its sam witwer

[devout plank]

Even in the Force Unleashed video game

[devout plank]

For the first few seasons it’s a different va

[blissful drift]

clone wars i think was ian mcdiarmid for some

[wild ginkgo]

Alright claim let me ask you this.

In all earnestness

[blissful drift]

but in rebels, most video games and other stuff its witwer

[wild ginkgo]

What do you think of this show.

[blissful drift]

i think its pretty good.

[devout plank]

Witwer also supposedly voiced Jar Jar

[wild ginkgo]

……….

[blissful drift]

i like the high republic and its nice to see it in live action

[wild ginkgo]

Welp

To each his own

I think this show is mid

[blissful drift]

we never really got something like this in the old EU of jedis at the absolute peak of their power

[wild ginkgo]

Haven’t seen 3

Or 4

Wait actually I have seen 3

But I ain’t watching anymore

I think this era is mid as well

[devout plank]

Yea but it doesn’t feel like they peak

[wild ginkgo]

I liked tales/old republic better

[devout plank]

It feels like they fall flat more often than not.

[wild ginkgo]

I’ve said lost my piece on it

I think the witches they have in here are boring versions of the night sisters

With there chant that sounds like a grade school play

Boring twin characters

[devout plank]

Say it with me

The power of one

[wild ginkgo]

The power of 2

[devout plank]

The Power of maaaaaannnnnyyyyyy

[modest night]

That's putting it politely. Also this isn't the High Republic era, this is Leslie Headlands fucked up revisionist version of it. So much shit retconned, so much shit that's inconsistent with established lore.

[devout plank]

Like Vernestra

[wild ginkgo]

Are you fr?

[modest night]

KOTOR is the high Republic era

[wild ginkgo]

She wants that too

[modest night]

And I hope to hell they are smart enough to keep her FAR away from that cherished part of the EU.

[devout plank]

I agree. Their powers in the cinematic cutscenes depicted are beyond what every Jedi’s powers are shown in this series…

[wild ginkgo]

I liked that tbh

It was like ancient gods from a far of period

Colliding

Clashing

[devout plank]

Yes

[wild ginkgo]

Like this some gold age of forgotten power straight from biblical reconciliation

[devout plank]

Even the Great Sith War is something I’d like to see.

Just hearing of it in the Clone Wars 2002 video game was so epic

Especially Jedi Ule-Cal Droma

[blissful drift]

That's not true, KOTOR was never the same thing

[wild ginkgo]

Remember the story about the brother and sister hyperspace navigators

[devout plank]

Yes

[wild ginkgo]

Nahh

[blissful drift]

High republic is explicitly between the old republic and the prequel trilogy

[wild ginkgo]

That was 1000s of years before

If you mean like in spirit

[blissful drift]

It's high republic cause it's the height of the republic era

It's meant to thematically tie into the prequel trilogy, hence the appearance of characters like middle aged yoda

[devout plank]

If that’s the case I’d much rather see space politics that aren’t Jedi centric.

[blissful drift]

I hope we see something like that in the James Mangold movie in the works

The pitch sounds very much primed for that

[devout plank]

Im doubtful it’ll happen with the Indy film not doing well…

[wild ginkgo]

I wanna see that empire

With the twins

And the sister and the mom

[devout plank]

The Eternal Empire?

[wild ginkgo]

Yeah

[devout plank]

I like their armor and faction.

Interesting group

[wild ginkgo]

I like the story

I wanna see that happened to that mom and her daughter

[devout plank]

I’d also like one that is more akin to religious revolt/feudalist war period. Similar to historial Japanese civil war the Sengoku Jidai period.

[modest night]

Am I the only one here that just wants star wars to go back to the way the franchise was in the 90s/2000s? Good stories that don't break lore or try to redefine key elements of the star wars universe. Everything Disney does is them trying to do something new inside a highly established IP, what all the OG fans I know want is more of what they are familiar with.

[devout plank]

Im the same in the sense that as long as they stop touching the legacy and try to make these “deconstruction meta” narratives I’d be fine with a good well written story respecting a template and implementing nuance to it. It’s clear they don’t want to bother without making the Disney Star Wars rules established to then make less sense than previous iterations.

When I hear actors of these projects say, “there is no good and evil in Star Wars it’s how you see it” then I know my brain would be developing headaches. This is the same actor who said Anakin blew up the Death Star

[jolly spruce]

The Prequels

[wild ginkgo]

Wait Clain

I got a quesiton.

Rq

[blissful drift]

sure thing

[wild ginkgo]

Alot of people say they hate Ki Adi Mundi?

Why?

Like what did he do?

[blissful drift]

in the show or in general?

[wild ginkgo]

In general

[blissful drift]

I think its cause hes maybe a poster child of the prequel era jedi's hubris

you see it in this show but this is leaned on elsewhere, like in phantom menace hes outright in denial of the return of a sith lord

(as for if this conflicts in the show remains to be seen just because we dont know if this dark sider is a sith lord or if its known to the jedi)

[wild ginkgo]

He did didn't he.......

Wait a minute

Is he like, helping look into this in the show?

[blissful drift]

yes and hes kinda a dick

people claim this might be a continuity error with that phantom menace quote but thats not clear yet

[wild ginkgo]

s

[blissful drift]

also in line with star wars' frequent need to include dumb factoids in lore, hes weirdly got this thing where hes famously the only jedi who gets to have lots of sex

[wild ginkgo]

So he's kinda a bad person right?

[wild ginkgo]

Yeah I read his species

Can't reporduce

Easily

[blissful drift]

hes not an outright villain

[wild ginkgo]

So he has to do it alot so it works

[blissful drift]

but yeah hes not great

theres a line in attack of the clones where, when the threat of dooku and his rising seperatist movement comes up, mundi goes "he was a jedi once, theres no way this guy would ignite civil war"

[devout plank]

More like he’s a political idealist it’s not like they were oblivious to what he was capable of. They know his radical position is so determined that it would be out of Dooku’s character to betray that very defiant mentality on the Jedi Order.

[void bear]

is the new episode tonight?

ive lost so much interest in this show that i cant even remember when new episodes come out lol

my disney+ subscriptions about to end and i am not renewing it just for the acolyte

[limpid plank]

whose ready for a shit show baby

[devout plank]

Yea it is

[void bear]

i might watch it idk

[devout plank]

Imagine this one is another flashback episode

[void bear]

god that would be so lame lol

[wild ginkgo]

I got a quesiton.

If MAe wanted her sister to stay why

Why'd she burn the place down?

Why?

Why not have it so she attacks the jedi out of anger and they retaliate and whip out the place.

Better yet have a rogue contingint of witch warriors under the leadership of the alien mom attack them and wipe them out

[steady jay]

you;re assuming she did, or that she did on purpose.

[wild ginkgo]

It showed her lighting the book on fire

And then the door on fire.

I can't tell if this show is incompetent or if it's trying to pull some kinda twist

[steady jay]

I assume you don't have siblings? Mae burnt the book to hurt her sister for choosing to leave, but then the consequences of her actions hit and the book caught too much on fire.

[wild ginkgo]

Nope

I got a sister

[steady jay]

whether it actually burnt down the rest of the building is debatable.

Becasue all those witches did not just die.

[wild ginkgo]

If she didn't want her to leave why burn down the home they live in....

It doesn't make any sense.

[steady jay]

again, you're assuming she did it on purpose

[wild ginkgo]

I saw her light the book on fire bruh

[steady jay]

yes, to hurt her sister

[wild ginkgo]

Koz idk why you defending this man.

Like come on now, the show is dogshit

It's bad

[steady jay]

but the rest of fire could be an accident or someone using the situation to make it look like she burnt down the place

[wild ginkgo]

Ight

Still blows

"The Jedi are good" "The Jedi are Bad"

[steady jay]

I'm not saying it's good, I'm just saying that's not the only reading of the situation

[wild ginkgo]

Actual dialogue bruh

Like that's first draft type shit.

[steady jay]

someone else killed all the witches. They probably helped the fire spread too

[wild ginkgo]

nvm you right

Guy's please tell me the "Twist" isn't the posion guy

Like come on bruh

[devout plank]

We don’t have the other side of this story. Because here’s a big hint: how do you burn a stone fortress?

[devout plank]

Wouldn’t be surprised, but I’m betting it’s a double twist and it’s actually the mom,

Especially learning of their thread powers…

[wild ginkgo]

Its the most obvious shit in the world

[tawny zenith]

As i walk through the valley of the shadow of film
I take a look at the critics and they're always pretty grim
But that's just perfect for a critic like me
Y'know i like nice things like inclusivity.

People use woke left and right all the time
All the hate makes movies lose their reason and rhyme
And i've been watching and liking so long
that even the MAF thinks that my mind is gone.

I'm the open-minded guy that no one wants to be like
on my knees day and night, hoping everyone sees the light
That movies are just good when they used to be great
And that while i'm still watching, i dont subscribe to the hate.

I've been spending recent life livin in nitpickers paradise.

Aint perfect but its still nice living in nitpickers paradise.

I'll still watch the Acolyte, livin in nitpickers paradise.

And its ok if you think it bites, livin in nitpickers paradise.

[devout plank]

Nitpicking ain’t paradise. It’s hell.

[limpid plank]

T Minus 40 homies

[limpid plank]

So far so good because there’s barely any dialogue which the incompetent writers can’t handle and the action is really good tbh

[wild ginkgo]

OH SHIT

HE SPITTEN

[limpid plank]

Oh come on

They went the most obvious route possible

Revealed who we thought it was since the character first appeared so stupid

And who gives a flying fuck about Jecki

[wild ginkgo]

Listen man

Listen

I have so little faith in this

You don't understand