📺 Doctor Who

[void pasture]

Yeah I was aswell

I think it's because he actually saw him die this time and making sure he didn't latch on the TARDIS again

What I didn't get was the whole death to death thing

And the laser gun under the console, didn't Sutekh learn about the entire TARDIS? So how did he not know what that whistle would do

[unique summit]

we haven't seen trickster and the mara yet, right?

episode was so good, not overly ambitious by which i mean it focused on concluding ruby road arc instead of setting up x and y shit

[molten sorrel]

Not in the main NuWho series nah

[runic seal]

We saw trickster in sara jane adventures

[molten sorrel]

Not the main series sadly

[unique summit]

ah ok

[runic seal]

Did you lot see the finale

[molten sorrel]

Nope so I’m gonna head out don’t ping me

[runic seal]

The finale stinks major doo doo

[unique summit]

nah

that was so good

just a satisfying end

[runic seal]

Which sucks since i was liking the run of episodes to that point

A bit curious ||how the companion returns for s2 since ppl says she does when it was rumoured she leaves at the end of this season, maybe it was just cope?||

[unique summit]

maybe in the finale or mid season finale kinda thing

cuz that's when we usually have older cast members coming back

[fallow pendant]

i like how doctor who fans have never learned on twitter because all i’m seeing is theories that mrs flood is romana

like have we learned NOTHING

[charred wedge]

Mrs Flood seems kinda mean. Romana was always kind

[fallow pendant]

honestly i think she’s just either one of the pantheon or a new character at this point

i acc saw russell say something that’s kind of relevant to today

https://youtu.be/MBAztifHEIs?si=vc8hoFgDKqnCQC6I

in the video he admits that maybe keeping wild blue yonder a secret was a mistake due to doctor who fans assuming secretive = huge

and i think that’s still an issue and is gonna be an issue for the future

we need to stop falling in the trap of “this thing isn’t revealed right away, it’s gotta be this or this or this or this”

[charred wedge]

the shows been on too long to expect that to stop tho

[fallow pendant]

i honestly think that empire of death was a massive case of wandavision finale where the internet’s ideas and theories were better than what happened in the actual finale

[fallow pendant]

but like, how often in the past few years have we been like “oop this is a secret episode, it must be a multi doctor story” or “oop this characters a secret, it must be susan” and it’s acc been right lol, genuinely think sutekh’s the only one

[charred wedge]

i agree, i was a bit let down. it was nice to see the doctor finally kill a threat and the way he and Ruby said goodbye was nice, but to dangle mrs flood in front of us all season with no payoff really sucks. and no susan after a season of name dropping 😦

[fallow pendant]

i miss moffat

can we get moffat 2 era next

[void pasture]

11th doctor's stories are definitely my favorite so that would be so nice

[fallow pendant]

honestly i’ve been rewatching moffat era episodes because this new season has gotten me in a doctor who kick

it’s honestly so much better than i remember

like i liked impossible astronaut and day of the moon before, but i was surprised by how much i loved it after rewatching it like, yesterday

[molten sorrel]

Lol I went back to classic Who

Watched the Pyramids of Mars serial

Aim to watch An Unearthly Child before watching the finale

I’m keeping my expectations low tbh

[molten sorrel]

Hmmmm maybe you’re just kinda harsh on your first watches lol

Or more nostalgic around other episodes and eras of Doctor Who

[molten sorrel]

I’m done a terrible job of avoiding spoilers so here’s two pieces

Ms Flood is gonna be the antagonist of the second season I reckon

Clearly she’s the next one who waits I’m gonna guess

And contrary to what I’d love to see (a female version of The Trickster)

She’s more likely The Queen of Time

Which would explain her knowledge of The Doctor

[fallow pendant]

is there a god of time in the pantheon

i can't remember

[molten sorrel]

Yup

Well

[fallow pendant]

ok so she could be the god of time or something

[molten sorrel]

It’s non canonical

[fallow pendant]

oh

i think more likely than anything she's one of the pantheon

[molten sorrel]

But RTD seems to be bringing in some non canon stuff in

Lol

[fallow pendant]

i think the pantheon is gonna be how the daleks were in rtd1

[molten sorrel]

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Queen_of_Time_(audio_story)

[fallow pendant]

like there's gonna be a big focus on the pantheon in this era

[molten sorrel]

I’m guessing we’re leading to another Doomsday just with Gods lol

[fallow pendant]

i hope we don't get like, a sinister six story

where the doctor has to fight all the gods at once

like i think that's a bit too much

[molten sorrel]

Lol I don’t have a horse in the race currently so I’m not particularly fussed

RTD 2.0 is a letdown compared to RTD 1.0

[fallow pendant]

i mean we're only a season in tbf

i'm giving it the benefit of the doubt

[molten sorrel]

Weird since he’s coming off some really big awards hit shows, Years and Years and It’s A Sin

Lol both those were only one season

[fallow pendant]

altho the fact that there's already like, three seasons written has me a little worried

ig that's always how doctor who's worked tbf

but like, you gotta wait for feedback, y'know? you gotta listen to what works and what doesn't so u can make it better

[molten sorrel]

Lol I’m just hoping RTD maybe focuses more on show running than writing every single script

[fallow pendant]

but if the pantheon are big bads for the whole era i'm not really opposed, as long they're not the villains in every episode

[fallow pendant]

right? i was thinking this the other day

[molten sorrel]

Hmmm not being rude

But look at this

The Pantheon threats already brought in

Are soooo much more menacing

Than the ones that have been introduced

Aside from Sutekh

[fallow pendant]

but like, we've already dealt with some of them

like, i just like some variety with my doccy who

gimme a dalek episode, y'know? gimme a stupid one about nazi zombies or something

[molten sorrel]

Hmmm it feels like he’s meshed his responsibilities together and there’s just not the focus he had on her first run

[fallow pendant]

but like, not to keep comparing to moffat, in early moffat he only wrote the episodes he felt like he needed to write to add to his wider story and gave other writers a chance to shine with other episodes (bar christmas specials)

[molten sorrel]

Yeh I think it works better that way

Let your showrunner anchor the series

With its first and last episode or so

But then let’s get some more diverse creative writers on board

Really stretch what can happen in the cosmos

There’s been barely any real risk tasking

[fallow pendant]

like in series 5, moffat wrote the eleventh hour, the beast below, time of angels, flesh and stone and the finale

and that's it

[molten sorrel]

Albeit ig Rogue was a risk but even that is sorta conservative- it’s happen before lol

[fallow pendant]

he wrote the first two eps, the last two eps, and a story in the middle

[fallow pendant]

exactly, yeah

i mean, imo, the two best episodes of the series are the ones not written by russell

and i think historically if u look throughout the history of new who, the iconic ones in each season are the ones not written by the head writer

[molten sorrel]

Personally I think Moffat might be best era retrospectively

He just struggles writing strong female characters

Missy is like his best lol

[fallow pendant]

yeah, he cannot write women lol

but i do agree, i think moffat's era might be better than rtd1

i think there's an argument to be made that moffat is the best new who writer of all time

[molten sorrel]

Possibly

[fallow pendant]

like not just showrunner, best writer

[molten sorrel]

Tbf

Boom is probably still the most intense episode of this new series

[fallow pendant]

before he ran the show he wrote empty child, he wrote girl in the fireplace, he wrote blink, he wrote silence in the library

ok steve, just casually write the most beloved episodes of the shows history

and then go onto run the show

and then come back and write one of the best episodes of the season again

[molten sorrel]

Empty Child is a great episode

Slightly too thematically heavy for me

[fallow pendant]

if empty child did not traumatise u as a child, u did not LIVE

[molten sorrel]

Like it’s one where you do feel like I’m not sure if want to watch this again

Lol

More trauma from Girl in the Fireplace

[fallow pendant]

the way i had to check under my bed every night for the clockwork droids after watching that ep lol

[molten sorrel]

I wish they would just bring back some of these villains

It’s ridiculous how the show is sooo reliant on the Daleks, Cybermen and The Master

Like give other classic villains a go

[fallow pendant]

bring the vashta nerada back u cowards

[molten sorrel]

Lol u need Moffat for that

[fallow pendant]

good

[molten sorrel]

I want the fleshy creature thing brought back

[fallow pendant]

bring him back

i want him back

[molten sorrel]

From Waters of Mars

[fallow pendant]

oh the flood?

[molten sorrel]

Make a petition

[molten sorrel]

Yup the stuff of nightmares

[fallow pendant]

MOFFAT ERA 2 PLS I NEED IT

[runic seal]

I miss daleks this season

[molten sorrel]

I miss Cybermen a tiny bit more

[fallow pendant]

lol i remember when everyone thought she was gonna be the flood

[molten sorrel]

I also miss a good companion

Like sorry Ruby and The Doctor is just forced chemistry

[fallow pendant]

i like ruby and the doctor, they just didn't have enough of an emotional connection to me

[molten sorrel]

Haha

[runic seal]

It could happen, the show just gets passed around the club. I’d like mark gatiss to have a go since he’s also part of the club

[molten sorrel]

Yehhh maybe that’s a better way of putting it

[fallow pendant]

like it was fun watching them, but also u need that personal connection to the doctor to make it work

like amy and rory (i'm a bit series 5 and 6 obsessed atm can u tell)

it felt like all three of them needed each other

[molten sorrel]

Hmmmm have you rewatched Pandora’s Box eps yet

[charred wedge]

that sort of bond will be impossible with 8 episode seasons, especially with companions only lasting 1 season

[molten sorrel]

They made my heart feel sliced in two in the first watch

I struggle to rewatch Matt Smith’s season

It’s just arggghhh emotional

[molten sorrel]

Yeh think that was a poor creative move tbh

[fallow pendant]

as much as doctor the widow and the wardrobe sucks, this ending is so perfect imo. they brought back the characters after saying goodbye in a way that didn't feel like they were forcing it. the doctor came back to them because he realised he needed their company, they were like family to him at this point

[molten sorrel]

Especially telling the audience that yeh Ruby ain’t gonna be around for much longer

[charred wedge]

yeah i wish they would stop that. i dont even want to know who the new doc is, let it a surprise regeneration scene

[fallow pendant]

and when he says goodbye to amy and rory, it has an effect on the doctor for SEASONS, he doesn't just get over it like he does with some companions

[molten sorrel]

Hmmm you realise David Tenant returning was a surprise right!!!?

At least if you avoided the news

Which I did

I was completely shook

[fallow pendant]

tbf it was for three anniversary specials

not a whole era

[molten sorrel]

Honestly Amy is such a great companion

Tragic ending

[fallow pendant]

amy's a great companion but RORY

AMY DID NOT DESERVE HIM

[runic seal]

Amy Pond in s1 where she made out with Matt Smith was so hot

[molten sorrel]

Should had been!!!! This era has been STOLEN from meee

[charred wedge]

she totally didnt lol

[fallow pendant]

rory is just my ideal man, i'm sorry. i want a man who'll sit by a box for hundreds of years to protect me

ONLY FOR AMY TO KEEP CUCKING HIM

👏 LEAVE HER 👏 YOU DO NOT DESERVE HER KING 👏

it also helps that i think rory's fit but

y'know

[runic seal]

Clara Oswald was also hot

[fallow pendant]

rory's my ideal man, river's my ideal woman

[molten sorrel]

They might be your parents

[fallow pendant]

arthur darvill's really hot but he does give the vibes of someone who plays wonderwall on his guitar at a party

[runic seal]

Whats wrong with that

Wonderwall is great

[molten sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sutekh-doctor-who-time-travel-dimension-gif-17065729

[molten sorrel]

All I’m gonna say is

I miss this

Classic Who and its effects departments

[runic seal]

Apparently that’s cultural appropriation according to RTD

[molten sorrel]

Chefs kiss

[fallow pendant]

someone has not been uncomfortably serenaded by a man with a guitar before

[runic seal]

No and now im jealous i haven’t and you have

[molten sorrel]

If that’s a reference to tonight’s episode that I haven’t seen gonna be mad at you for doing a light spoiler

[fallow pendant]

not even joking, i have been on three dates where the guy has taken me back to his and ended up playing his guitar for me and i'm just like "hhhhh"

[molten sorrel]

They are Rory

0.5

[fallow pendant]

NO i love rory

[molten sorrel]

Hmm I think Rory is overrated

[fallow pendant]

any man who would turn up to a date as a roman is a man i'll marry

[runic seal]

Ummm …. ||I thought this was spoiler channel||

[molten sorrel]

It is but like seriously spoilers before it’s even broadcasted in the UK smh

[runic seal]

You enjoying HOTD?

Apparently the writers went public about studio meddling, but im liking it so far

[molten sorrel]

Haven’t even started it

If you spoil that you’re getting blocked lmao

[fallow pendant]

yeah i wanna see hotd at some point so pls don't spoil

[molten sorrel]

Behind on that bc we have been watching Bodkin this week

Really good Irish crime drama on Netflix

Barely anyone has talked about it on here thou

[fallow pendant]

i acc had a chance to go to the season 2 premiere in london for hotd but it ended up falling through

i think now that doctor who's done i'm either gonna catch up with the boys or i'm gonna start bridgerton

[molten sorrel]

Lol fairs

[fallow pendant]

cause my mum's been really into bridgerton and now i fancy it

altho she is watching riverdale atm and liking it so maybe i shouldn't trust her opinions

idk

[molten sorrel]

RIVERDALE IS GOOD

(Season 1 and Season 4)

The rest is pretty meh

I think I dropped it mid way thru S5

[molten sorrel]

More proof that we’re going back to when Doctor Who was basically a sci-fi soap

Not sure that’s exactly what ppl want

[runic seal]

Hmm

[charred wedge]

so this Sutekh situation is kinda why Bi-generation sucks. Like, where was Tennant during this? Did he not care to contact unit? Also, wouldnt there be a duplicate Sutekh in Tennants Tardis?

[final wind]

yeah i briefly thought about that, what happened to sutekh when the tardis got duplicated?

[runic seal]

Maybe that was part of why sutekh went on the offensive this season

[molten sorrel]

That was fine ig

[uneven grail]

I think that big emotional 'send off' for Ruby wasn't earned. At least not for me.

the snow and song were never explained, the 'solution' to the big bad wasn't very imaginative.

I think the best bits were the tiny Tardis and the scene with the woman in the tent.

I don't like Ncuti's choice of standing there open mouthed.

[fallow pendant]

he was having a lovely sleep

[uneven grail]

oh yeah, Mrs Flood theories. She seems like some sort of antagonist, but perhaps the benevolently evil kind?

She had plans, she didn't want to die, she praised the Doctor for sorting it out (and knew it was him), but also spoke of an ominous future. Perhaps she's some sort of narrator, or storyteller with a touch of omniscience

[final wind]

i assume she will be the focus of the christmas special?

[void pasture]

I think aside from the finale season 1 has been similar in quality to series 1 imo

[void pasture]

Maybe 14 has no more regenerations, so he's just enjoying life as a human?

[charred wedge]

so he just turned to ash in the last epi?

but i do kinda like that the doc finally has to come to grips with leaving these people

see what its like. being left to fend alone. from their perspective. but yeah the acting was great), their bonds sonent really make sense

[void pasture]

It seems like Sutekh doesn't know he exist so probably

[charred wedge]

Rubys exit was like if we had her for 3 seasons woulda been effective if earned. (acting was great in that scene) but if thats how Ruby goes out thats kinda rough

[molten sorrel]

Some ppl have been saying she’s going to be Romana

A 4th Doctor companion

Or even an aged Clara based on what she said “cheeky boy”

I’m going to hazard a guess she’s an amalgamation of Doctor Companions but a more jaded hurted version of what the Doctor leaves behind

We’ll find out in the second season no doubt

Anita Dobson is like late 70s/ early 80s- sooo they can’t really carry on the mysterious role for more than a couple of seasons tbh

[charred wedge]

nah, mrs flood is mean af and Romana was always kind

[fallow pendant]

i disagree kind of heavily haha

[fallow pendant]

again, have we learned nothing from empire of death lol

this was a lesson to doctor who fans, and that lesson was “manage ur expectations”

[molten sorrel]

Harsh again

[molten sorrel]

Yehhhhh

I’m presuming either evil past companion or Trickster regenerated bc all she does is trick ppl into thinking she was a kind older lady

Slightly bored by the lack of scary menacing memorable foes thou

It’s been a pretty tame season till Sutekh

But the way they defeated him was sooo lacklustre

[void pasture]

I wasn't that much of a fan of series 1 except for Dalek and the finale so it's probably just me

[uneven grail]

series 1 had a lot of work to do in finding it's feet, but it got there

and it's like I've always said - if series one is good, then it usually becomes great. But if series 1 is great, it's usually all downhill from there.

[molten sorrel]

Personally a massive fan of the first series of NewWho

Eccleston was just such a good Doctor

[void pasture]

Yeah I agree Ecclestone was great

[final wind]

eccleston is criminally underrated

[thick rampart]

Could someone explain to me wth the doctor means by that?
Watching: S15 E9 ‘Empire of Death’.
“She was important because we made her important” - 43:40.

I understand, till the part he says: “more powerful than Timelords and Gods” 🤨

[void pasture]

Because at that point no one knew about her so they automatically assumed she's important, as for the more powerful than Timelords and gods thing I think it means Sutekh and The Doctor also don't know about her

Atleast that's ny understanding

[uneven grail]

He deliberately drew out her story "because Anita Dobson is such enormous fun to work with. I considered telling all earlier, but I don't want to see her go."
Davies has teased that "every word she says is significant. How does she know what a TARDIS is? She said about plans... What plans? How did she know what was going on?"
"We will learn more about her in season 2, but she's a slow burner. It's not what you think, I promise you that."```

[uneven grail]

Following the departure of Ruby, Nicola Coughlan will be the one-off companion for a "mad cap adventure."
Moffat has teased that, with this likely to be his final work on the show, "I pulled out all the stops. You want it, we've done it."```

[void pasture]

Nooo Moffat is leaving?

[void pasture]

"Not what you think" sooo another normal human?

[solar turret]

the ending was like a fever dream

[solar turret]

And I thought it was the old people who watched it the most

[uneven grail]

no, they just complained about it the most

[void pasture]

No way we are safe from cancelation letsgooo

[void pasture]

Fr

[uneven grail]

I'd be curious to see if Disney ever release their numbers

[molten sorrel]

Hmmmm I mean this season has particularly leaned heavily into appealing to what younger generations would want from Doctor Who

Am curious how much it’s alienated potentially older demographics

6 million is a better number than the initial numbers which were around 2-3 million

[uneven grail]

It depends who they want their audience to be

[molten sorrel]

Basically doubled

[uneven grail]

younger ones are more likely to have a D+ subscription

[molten sorrel]

Hmmm true but the traditional audiences of Doctor Who would be say in their 40s plus

I mean Classic Who watchers

Or ppl who’ve grown up with that

[molten sorrel]

True

My parents don’t pay for D+, I do so that adds up

[solar turret]

They can add a few dalek episodes to keep them happy

[uneven grail]

and anyone in the UK has it for free on iplayer

[molten sorrel]

True

Tbf RTD’s best part of coming back as showrunner has been making the Beeb put most of Doctor Who on IPlayer

[uneven grail]

yeah, he had nothing to do with that

[molten sorrel]

He did lmao

At the very least Tales from the Tardis is his spinoff

Which is raising awareness of Classic Who a lot more

[uneven grail]

I used to work on the global version of iPlayer (now Britbox). It's all about who has the rights. For ages Classic Who was on UKTV Gold.

[molten sorrel]

No way

Never seen a run of Classic Who on Gold lmao

That must of been a while ago

[uneven grail]

yeah, we're talking 2012 here

[molten sorrel]

Ohhh right that’s interesting

Makes sense thou

Gold and Dave are both the channels where a lot of BBC tv gets repeated years later

Tbf that’s sorta UKTV’s setup

[uneven grail]

well, yeah

[molten sorrel]

Not as complicated as the rights issue with other shows that ik of, The Twilight Zone is having its first rerun in the UK since like the early 2000s on Legend

Tales from the Crypt never seems to get a rerun in the UK sadly

[uneven grail]

Also, I think the BBC did a lot of work on Classic Who with subtitles, audio description and sign language. So they had been working on it for a long time

[molten sorrel]

True and ig making it so it’s the most complete possible before releasing the catalogue

Sadly still a lot of episodes missing

Well visuals

Apparently most of these “missing” episodes they have the audio taped

[uneven grail]

I got to visit the archives once. They had masses of old tech there they keep in working order so that any lost media can be saved

[solar turret]

unless they are burnt

[thick rampart]

I agree. I was thinking the same thing. I just never came around to say it 😝... I mostly watched the whole season in frustration. Mostly because I was expecting The Doctor, not whatever this was.

In another comment you posted: you mention that only 40+ people watch Doctor. Who I’m not 40 (I started watching, when they renewed season 5.)
One of the best entertaining show at that time I thought.

[molten sorrel]

Nahhhh I meant Classic Doctor Who, pre reboot

You can’t have grown up with Classic Doctor Who if you’re not around 30/40 years old

[thick rampart]

Oh. No. You mean, the black and white. I could though, start watching them online. I bet the episode will be fun to watch?

{Doctor who has its own channel. Random episodes though}

[molten sorrel]

US?

[thick rampart]

Are we going to forget River Song - the daughter?
Doctor Who origin story, like the planet he was born?
What about that house?
Why was he left as a child, alone?
What about the other woman doctor? (My guess, this probably has to do with time travel, and soul spitting like mention in this season)
I want to know these answers, before starting a new chapter lol
{I’m not a writer of the show, so it’s not my decision}

[molten sorrel]

Yeh you have a channel on Pluto TV

It’s not bad tbf

Does play thru serials

[thick rampart]

Don’t know what you mean by this.
I found it on roku tv.
Don’t have Pluto tv. Sounds cheap knock off of these other apps. lol

[molten sorrel]

Lol it’s a similar thing lol

[thick rampart]

Oh

lol

[charred wedge]

all of classic Doctor Who is on Tubi right now. its how i binged all of it from nov-jan

[molten sorrel]

Damnnn

That’s great

[thick rampart]

It’s probably on demand too? I would like to someday see those episodes. lol

[runic seal]

I felt alienated initially but loved the run up of episodes to the penultimate episode

But felt a bit disappointed by the finale though most seem to echo similar sentiments about the finale

[runic seal]

That might also just be a symptom of getting used to a new doctor

[torpid iron]

Finally got a chance to watch the finale

Quite disappointing

It really could have been epic, but it was just another meh

All that set up for what?

[final wind]

yeah while it narratively made sense (for the most part), it still felt underwhelming

but overall this new season was good

much better than any of 13's seasons

and i think ncuti's run will only get better

[torpid iron]

I can't wait for the christmas special, it sounds bonkers

[uneven grail]

"When I saw that Rey's parents were nobodies, I realised that's how I wanted to do it. I prefer it that way."
Davies believes that "this makes the ordinary seem special, don't you think? You don't have to be mystical or magical to be extraordinary. Anything can be."
He also wanted to "play with the audience. I told you nobody would guess it. And they didn't! Everyone assumed it would be some big fantastic answer. I think it's more interesting if it isn't."```

[charred wedge]

he subverted our expectations in a shitty, Last Jedi like way

[uneven grail]

yeah, sadly

becasue here's the thing. In Force Awakens, Rey's parents are a throwaway line. It sounds like a lie a child would tell themselves to make them feel better about being abandoned.

but she never went looking for them

the identity of them was not a driving force in her life.

But it was for Ruby.

So it ended up being built up far far too much.

which means the reveal of 'no one special' was a huge let down and left many many things unexplained.

I will say in Last Jedi, one of the very few things I liked was that Rey's parents were no one special. That felt like an expectation subversion when the whole franchise is obsessed with linage.

[charred wedge]

that film is a franchise ruining dumpster fire to me

[uneven grail]

but in a show like Doctor Who, everyone is ordinary until proved extraordinary. And Ruby had the hallmarks of something special

[charred wedge]

light speed as a weapons 100% breaks star wars and makes all space battles with light speed capable ships illogical

[uneven grail]

oh I agree, but I don't have the energy to care about it anymore.

[charred wedge]

i coulda forgiven Rubys mom being nobody if they paid off either Susan or Mrs Flood

just due to Carol ann Ford's age i thought for sure we'd see her this season :/

[uneven grail]

honestly, I don't like the move into the mystical.

I want my technobabble

[final wind]

while from a narrative standpoint, i understand why they made ruby's mom a nobody

it still felt underwhelming

because of how much build up there was

[void pasture]

Why would he take something from the sequels💀

[uneven grail]

Production is set to begin on the series this September with the rumoured title being “The War Between The Land And The Sea.”```

I like Freema. Would be good to see her take on a more mature Martha with better directors

[torpid iron]

I liked the Sea devils episode, but I don't think it really needs a spinoff

[uneven grail]

I've never seen it. but there's no harm in bringing back an old foe and giving them an update

I'll take anything over another Dalek story

[torpid iron]

They were in a special for the 13th doctor

[uneven grail]

If you say so

[void pasture]

NO WAY MARTHA IS BACK?

I heard people didn't like the special but maybe this is disconnected from it

[uneven grail]

One of our sources close to the production believes Disney will “need to make a decision” on its future relationship with the show soon after The War Between the Land and the Sea wraps, and this could have a bearing on how long the in-demand Gatwa — who will lead a West End production of The Importance of Being Earnest at the end of this year — remains Doctor. Although the next season has wrapped, this source predicts the final episode has been left open-ended, with the possibility remaining that Gatwa could regenerate into his successor if he chooses to exit. Gatwa’s agents hadn’t responded to Deadline’s request for comment by press time.

More info and speculation here: https://deadline.com/2024/07/doctor-who-analysis-disney-deal-ncuti-gatwa-russell-t-davies-bbc-1236008287/

[final wind]

honestly i think three seasons per doctor is a good number

[uneven grail]

yeah, but we need 12 ep seasons

[final wind]

at least 10 episodes seasons please

[uneven grail]

Jordan also questions the ordering of the episodes and whether the audience was given enough exposure to Gatwa on his first outing, which, he suggests, may have been due to the in-demand star’s other filming commitments.

I absolutely agree with this

Like, I feel it wasn't until Rogue that we finally got a good look at his character

[final wind]

yeah there were several episodes that the doctor was barely in because ncuti was filming other stuff

and when you already only have 8 episodes, that just doesnt cut it

they should get a relatively unknown actor to play the doctor next tbh

someone who audiences can fully only see as the doctor

[uneven grail]

well Ncuti is a relative unknown to many. I'd only seen him in Barbie and he wasn't really in that.

I think the episode order just really didn't help. Maybe they should have even started with Rogue.

[final wind]

oh i've seen him in several things

[uneven grail]

Space Babies was a terrible opener

[final wind]

and he's only gonna be in more now that he's a big name

but like for example

david tennant was in like one or two random things in minor roles before doctor who

he was a nobody

and it allowed audiences to see him only as the doctor

for most of us he was and still is the character

thats what the show needs

[uneven grail]

same with Matt Smith. Had not been in much before Who and made the role his own

[final wind]

and those are literally like the two best doctors

i mean i might be biased because im always a huge advocate for big franchises casting unknown actors

but i really think it would help this new era of doctor who make a name for itself

get an actor who isnt super busy with other stuff so they can film a 12 episode season and actually be in every episodes and have a character arc

[uneven grail]

yeah, very true

[final wind]

also i personally really like when doctor who gets dark

if i was in charge of the show i wouldnt shy away from things getting very serious and gloomy from time to time

i like seeing the doctor go through hell and persevere every time

[uneven grail]

though to be fair to Ncuti, he had not been in much before Who. Only big names are Sex Education and Barbie, but compared to Tennant, those were major parts. Tennant had a few lead parts but I think the only one that really hit was Casanova (which is a fantastic mini-series)

[final wind]

i like seeing the doctor get closer and closer to breaking but always get reeled in by their companion

[final wind]

although i will say sex education caused him to skyrocket in popularity

[uneven grail]

I think for Ncuti, it would be good to see him go dark rarely because that would be a huge contrast to his flamboyant nature.

[final wind]

but the way i've always seen it is that the doctor always keeps a companion around because they need an anchor to keep them from going too far

[uneven grail]

but that would also give his dark moments more weight

[uneven grail]

oh totally. without one he goes all Waters of Mars

[final wind]

they've set him up as very energetic and positive so seeing that doctor get dark and serious would be fantastic

[final wind]

timelord victorious

honestly if i had to choose one reason why david tennant is my favorite doctor, its that

he is the only doctor who we truly see go off the rails

[uneven grail]

absolutely

[final wind]

i just think that for extremely powerful characters like the doctor, mental/moral battles are far more interesting

like theres no monster he cant defeat

no army he cant stop

but make him question his morals, and thats when things get interesting

[uneven grail]

yeah I know what you mean. It's the moral quandies that work best for Who

[final wind]

at least in my opinion

sure seeing cool planets and creatures is fun

but it needs to have those moments where the doctor questions himself and almost goes too far

[final wind]

the scene with 12 and child davros is great

[uneven grail]

was that a Clara season?

I have no memory of her and 12

[final wind]

im pretty sure it was?

its always strange when companions and doctors overlap

honestly i was super surprised that ruby is already out

i think i heard someone say shes in a couple episodes next season

but like clearly she isnt the companion anymore

[uneven grail]

yeah, I read that.

Or it'll be a crossover, but her story is finished (not that she had much of an arc)

[final wind]

that was

a very unsatisfying conclusion to her arc

and the thing is

like narratively i understand it

it makes sense

but they set up so much

it still felt underwhelming

[uneven grail]

but it was never a driving motivation for her

[final wind]

it also doesnt make sense why she would care so much about her birth parents

[uneven grail]

It was her backstory

espcially when she seemed perfectly happy

[final wind]

she has had a loving family from literally the day she was born

i like it when the companions actually feel like they have something theyre running from

even if it's something small

[uneven grail]

or running to

[final wind]

ruby really just had no reason to be discontent with her life

[uneven grail]

Donna _wanted _ to find the Doctor.

[final wind]

we love donna

[uneven grail]

Rose wanted a more exciting life.

Martha was in love with th Doctor

[final wind]

rose was trapped in a mundane life with an obsessive mother and a dull boyfriend and then was shown a greater universe

every companion has a tangible understandable reason to want to leave with the doctor

[uneven grail]

Amy was running from responsibility

[final wind]

ruby was actively shown having a loving family and great friends

[uneven grail]

yeah. she had a contented life. Contented lives do not make for good stories or interesting characters

[final wind]

i agree

and for a lot of companions it wasn't even anything big

it doesn't need to be

but a good companion just has something missing from their life

and the doctor brings promises of filling that void

and that just didnt happen with ruby

he made it clear from the start he wasnt gonna take her to see her mom

and she shouldn't have any reason to want to see her anyways

[uneven grail]

like, they gave Ruby this 'emotional' send off she did not earn

I never got the deep friendship vibe between her an the Doctor

[final wind]

again, on paper a lot of it makes sense and could have worked if done differently

but it just

never really clicked

i still like the new season

but ruby is unfortunately a weak companion for the doctor

[uneven grail]

I think there were a lot of things working against this season

[final wind]

agreed

and again i still really enjoyed it and cant wait for whats next

but idk

i think they should put me in charge of the show tbh

[uneven grail]

I hope for better next season, but from the sounds of that Deadline article, people are not happy with its performance

[final wind]

i mean the thing is

[uneven grail]

oh mate, the things I would if I were in charge of TV shows.

[final wind]

they had already finished filming season 2 before season 1 even started airing

and it sounds like season 3 is already in production?

[uneven grail]

not yet

[final wind]

so anything they learned from reception to season 1, they wont even be able to apply until season 4 most likely

[uneven grail]

but rumours suggest the end of season 2 is being left open in case Ncuti doesn't return

[final wind]

i have thought a LOT about the direction i would take doctor who if i were in charge

[final wind]

i saw that

not sure how that works

because if he doesnt return

will they just have him regenerate off screen?

or will they just get him back for like one episode

[uneven grail]

the second, probably

or they'll film a scene 'just in case'

[final wind]

they could end the second season in a way where it seems like the doctor is about to be fatally injured

that way if he doesnt want to come back, they would only have to film a couple scenes

[uneven grail]

or is in an explosion he might not survive

[final wind]

where he gets injured and regenerates

[final wind]

true true

[uneven grail]

end on a cliffhanger

[final wind]

i think if season 2 is the same quality as season 1 i will be content, but i hope they apply some lessons they've learned from viewer reception to season 3

[uneven grail]

I did have a thought after the end of the last season with the god of death on the Tardis - does that mean in The Pandorica Opens he was exploding every 10 seconds along with River and the Tardis? 😄

[final wind]

there are a LOT of plot holes if you think about it

[uneven grail]

yes, quality was fine, but the arcs weren't there. Too many Doctor-lite eps.

[final wind]

the one i try to not think about is

the tardis went to the parallel universe with rose

and it even shows a clip from that scene when showing a montage of all the places sutekh went

but the doctor cant get back there

so he couldnt have gone there to undo sutekh's death cloud stuff

[uneven grail]

yeah, it's just too stupid to put any decent thought into it. Clearly RTD didn't

[final wind]

i love rtd and i think he did lots of great things for the show

but i also think its time for him to step back

and put me in charge

something i would do if i was on charge

would be to really explore different time periods

like the doctor travels through time, but in every season he always kinda hangs around present day

[uneven grail]

can we get away from earth?

[final wind]

it would be cool to see a season where he just hangs around another decade

or another planet

i would LOVE to see a companion who is from a different time or a different planet

thats what i really want

[uneven grail]

same

[final wind]

tbh i want a whole season of doctor who set in the 80s lol

but i would love to see a companion from another planet or another time reacting to present day earth

it could allow for some good commentary while also being fresh

[uneven grail]

agree

[uneven grail]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3gv11q7gk0o

They did capture his likeness very well

[final wind]

when i first saw the images without context, i genuinely thought they were just photoshopped memes

had no idea it was wax

[molten sorrel]

I think they could be right though

I’m semi impressed that Jodie’s seasons were more viewed than Ncuti’s lol

It’s not looking great

[final wind]

oh yikes

that aint good

[charred wedge]

tis a shame, especially as this latest season was better than any of Jodies

[final wind]

yeah this season was quite enjoyable

honestly they should've kept tennant on for a whole season 🙄

[molten sorrel]

That would been better

Thou I’d say this is on RTD for not really being open to criticism

His writing just hasn’t been as good as it was in his first run

And I think the writing of Doctor Who could benefit from a more diverse group of writers

Ideally they need to find a good medium between playing towards the demographics they obvs want whilst also not alienating core parts of the Whovian fandom

Just kinda hope S2 resolves the bi generation and Ms Flood questions tbh

[charred wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9_RYmJswmM

[uneven grail]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9r32xg2y0lo

[charred wedge]

i have no understanding why theyd do this. just make Dr Who seasons longer

[uneven grail]

becasue then they have franchises

it's the old Doctor Who and Torchwood thing again

ones for families and one more aimed at adults

[charred wedge]

then they should make the more adult show be the doctor (or past doctors). i dont care about whoever its going to be about

oh well, just another show to not watch i guess

[molten sorrel]

I mean I’m gonna watch it

But am I interested in it

Not particularly

[gentle coral]

It takes the full year of production to make a season, so they do this with a separate team and cast

So we get more Who content per year

[molten sorrel]

yeh but its like 5 episodes long

8+5 is like the usual 13 episode run that used to work so goddamn well

wish they could only get back to that

even if its just 10-12 episodes

it would make the season work a lot better

[final wind]

no but like

theyre shooting at the same time with completely different casts and crews

they cant just shoot more episodes of the same show in the same amount of time

[charred wedge]

no, but they can save the resources used for the 2nd show and just put it into the original

[final wind]

i think disney isn't short on "resources"

[charred wedge]

no, but they seem loathe to spend those resources on more doctor who episodes

its what they should spend those resources on rather than a spinoff show

[final wind]

i just dont think that more money is gonna let them make more episodes

they want a new season to come out every year

theres only so much time in a year to write, film, and edit episodes

with all the fancy sets and cgi especially, it takes longer now than ever before to make one episode

[charred wedge]

madness. TNG had 26 episodes per year and was a great show

to suggest 8 episodes is all that is possible to make in a year is nuts

[final wind]

and cgi literally didnt exist back then

at least not in the capacity it does now

[charred wedge]

it literally did

[final wind]

for the most part, everything was done in camera

[charred wedge]

it just wasnt as awesome

[final wind]

and take FAR less time

because it was so much more simple

[charred wedge]

they can make more episodes of doctor who, theyre just going after different audiences

id rather they just made doctor who cause thats all im going to watch

[final wind]

look i'll say

personally i preferred the longer, cheaper seasons

with mostly practical effects

that actually felt like a tv show

i like the new season but every episode feels like a mini movie

its just so

cinematic

and clearly expensive

and that kinda started with the 13th doctor

[molten sorrel]

Nah

It started with Jodie a lot more

[final wind]

yea

she was the 13th doctor

[molten sorrel]

Cuz they were trying to make it more visually stunning to keep viewers occupied

[final wind]

thats who i was talking about

[molten sorrel]

Ohhhh yeh

I forgot about David Tenant for a sec

[final wind]

😭 lol it can be hard to keep track of them these days

[molten sorrel]

😭

[final wind]

but i did prefer the pre-13 aesthetic

[molten sorrel]

It still sucks cuz I don’t need a spin off show

Even if they market this as more adult

Just do some more adult episodes of Doctor Who

For some reason last season felt more for kids

Or very young teens

Without the appeal for older generations

[molten sorrel]

Me too

Capaldi I think had the best aesthetic

Along with Eccleston tbh

[final wind]

9/10 was my favorite era just from an aesthetic standpoint

[molten sorrel]

Based

Sorta agree

Rougher around the edges

Not necessarily gritty or corny

But you know felt more real ig

Like the monsters could be here and more tangible

Instead of cgi blobs

[final wind]

personally i just like when doctor who feels darker and grittier

not everything is bright colors and perfect scenery

it just feels more real when youre getting down in the trenches with the doctor

[molten sorrel]

True

[final wind]

i like the episodes where they go to a world or time that seems all nice and amazing but then they go into the underbelly and find something dark under the surface

[molten sorrel]

Yaaassss

[charred wedge]

i like the episodes where they take place on 300 mile long colony ships and its too close to a black hole so time moves much faster on one side, and one of the doctors companions is turned into a Cyberman and proclaims, "I waited for youuuuuu"

[final wind]

i like the new season, but everything is just so damn cheerful

i like when the doctor is lowkey depressed

[final wind]

could you be a bit more specific, that doesnt really narrow it down much

[charred wedge]

😛

[final wind]

that could be so many episodes

[gentle coral]

They can’t

The workload required to make TV to the current standards is a lot more complicated than it was in 2005

That’s why most big American shows take two year gaps now

Doctor Who is releasing yearly, and eight episodes is the most they can do without gaps between seasons

The spinoff will give us a bit more content on top of that

Thirteen episodes per year across two shows is a heck of a lot better than eight episodes of Stranger Things every four years

[molten sorrel]

It sounds like its just overcomplicated

Probably partially driven by the need to have shorter shooting periods but also the reliance on CGI

[final wind]

production standards are just higher than they used to be

labor laws are different

things cost more

it is simply no longer feasible to make shows with as many episodes as they did before

[molten sorrel]

True

Its a shame but understandable

[final wind]

it is a shame

but its better for the cast and crew who are getting paid better and not overworked

[uneven grail]

They were already under strain in 2005, that's why you get a doctor-lite episode every season. But I think 8 eps is too short. I would rather it was at least 10.

[final wind]

i think 10 would be a good middle ground

[gentle coral]

I hope they find a way to up it to ten

Even getting this eight out at the level they are took a long time

They were meant for January, but pushed to May

[uneven grail]

that's becasue Ncuti had to finish Sex Education. But next season has already been filmed, I think?

[gentle coral]

It wasn’t actually

They filmed without Ncuti cos otherwise it’d be even later coming out

Two of the eight episodes (73 Yards and Dot & Bubble) barely feature him

S2 has been filmed, but the post-production takes a full year according to Davies

[uneven grail]

yes, but I'm saying not having him available harmed the series too

[gentle coral]

It did

But I think eight is still stretching how much they can produce in a year

[uneven grail]

then they need to stop being so ambitious with the stories/sets/locations

[molten sorrel]

Yup

Scale it back

Do some bottle episodes tbh

The point is Doctor Who doesn’t always need a large scale

[uneven grail]

Honestly, the less than perfect sfx has always been part of its charm.

They're trying to make it look too slick

[molten sorrel]

There’s a whole run in Pertwee’s tenure where it was set on Earth cuz the budget didn’t really allow for the use of the Tardis

[molten sorrel]

Hmm yeh

Tbh I like it for the title sequence but in episode I don’t need it that polished

[gentle coral]

Well that’s not strictly true

That era was set primarily on Earth cos they were capitalising on the new popularity of James Bond at the time

Dr Who became a spy for UNIT, doing undercover missions and things

They even introduced The Master as his Blofeld

But they still stretched the budget - at least once a season Pertwee would be warped to some alternate dimension or fantastical world

Right now the ‘in thing’ they’re capitalising on are these big, eight-part Netflix fantasies

I.e. Stranger Things

[charred wedge]

He was a good Dalek. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgj463gx8gyo

[charred wedge]

damn, i guess ive never once seen the 1st episode of doctor who cause for some reason its not on Tubi. Watching it now at my neighbors house. Ive also never seen the 10th planet (1st cyberman story). Guess ill have to watch that at my neighbors house too

[charred wedge]

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-war-games-colourisation-newsupdate/

[void pasture]

Yoooo anyone seen the special yet?

I thought it was great, I really missed the more time related episodes

[uneven grail]

I thought it was naff

[charred wedge]

i thought Joys speech right before turning was a bit cringe

and the epi was a tad dull overall

but i wouldnt say i absolutely hated it

[solar turret]

https://tenor.com/view/pearl-gif-27187342

[void pasture]

Joy was kinda annoying tbh

[uneven grail]

She was underdeveloped

But then again, the whole story was

[solar turret]

it was very cheesy

[uneven grail]

It was dull. It started out with a decent idea when suddenly went on a 10 minute diversion that added nothing to story, giving character development to a side character who had zero role in the plot

The ending was so stupid too

[charred wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_zGDZtEOI

[solar turret]

https://www.youtube.com/@BBCClassicDoctorWho

[thick rampart]

This can’t be all the episodes?

[solar turret]

yes, it says 47 videos on the top

[void pasture]

nahh every ep????

goated

wait nah nvm can't work in my country lmao

[molten sorrel]

Some crazy rumours I’ve been reading today about Dr Who

Apparently the deal with Disney is not going the way the BBC had hoped

Disney has been disappointed with the show’s rating so far

And Ncuti Gatwa is set to be leaving quicker than expected

With a rumour circling around that David Tenant would return

Tbf it is The Sun reporting it

So this could be entirely unsubstantiated

[uneven grail]

Wel, yeah. It's the Sun

but it's half believable. The ratings and the resposnse hasn't been great

[solar turret]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-watling-david-tennant-inside-man-gif-13679473332998844570

[molten sorrel]

I feel like that’s probably the case

Apparently S2 was filmed back to back with S1

But Disney/BBC are waiting to see the response and ratings of S2 before greenlighting S3

And they’ve already filmed a regeneration scene with Gatwa

[final wind]

i liked season 1 with ncuti but i think shooting season 2 back to back was a bad idea

because it means that any criticisms and feedback they got, they wont be able to remedy it until at least season 3

just bring back tennant again, he's still around!!!!

let him be the doctor for a few more seasons

and i think its time for RTD to let someone new take the reigns

[molten sorrel]

Ummm yes and no

I don’t think the show would survive another Chibnall era

[uneven grail]

I'm being forgiving of Ncuti's first season as he wasn't really available for filming

so season 2 should be stronger for him at least being there

and I have to imagine that really impacted the stories RTD could do. But the season arc was just so weak and unsatisfying

not helped by a rather middling companion

[molten sorrel]

True

[final wind]

agreed, but the show can only survive if we get some fresh new writers

[final wind]

this fr

i'm optimistic about season 2

[uneven grail]

it just needs some new ideas, which after 20 years, is becoming hard to do

its like, the christmas ep with the time hotel was a really cool idea, and so much more could have been done with it, but it was just background.

[final wind]

they should just put me in charge of the show

make me the kevin feige of doctor who

[molten sorrel]

Cool idea that could of been a season arc tbh

That episode felt very condensed and too quick sadly

[uneven grail]

The pacing was all over the place

[solar turret]

Doctor who died the moment he stepped into america

[charred wedge]

so it died with the 1st doctor then. He had a story set in Tombstone Arizona

[solar turret]

hmm right

https://youtu.be/W_t32ANxnI4?t=112

but this is funnier

[charred wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCtvcw4uvI

[runic seal]

https://youtu.be/MPxtqx55PA0?si=NFlfr3rehWccZut7

[gentle coral]

Slayyyyyyy

[charred wedge]

https://www.doctorwho.tv/news-and-features/doctor-who-season-2-episode-titles-revealed

3 weeks...

[uneven grail]

https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/sci-fi/doctor-who-best-20-modern-episodes/

[charred wedge]

ayy, The world Enough and Time and The Doctor Falls gets some love

knew Heaven Sent would be #1, cause it just is

[uneven grail]

I think I must be amongst the few who is rather indifferent to Heaven Sent. Like, it's a clever story, but I hated Clara and never liked Capaldi, so

[charred wedge]

https://www.comicbasics.com/ncuti-gatwa-reportedly-eyes-hollywood/

heres hoping if he leaves he at least comes back for a regeneration scene. the 2nd Bakers regen into the 7th Doctor was lame af

[uneven grail]

yeah, this has been rumoured for a while

[charred wedge]

indeed, just hope when he signed on they have a clause where if he leaves early, he has to to at least do a regeneration scene

[final wind]

i've heard that they already filmed a regeneration scene in case season 2 is his last

[uneven grail]

same. I also heard that if Ncuti leaves, RTD might be going with him

it's not been a strong return for the show

[charred wedge]

yeah last seasons finale really had to stick the landing and it was kinda meh

Christmas special too

[uneven grail]

oh it was so so bad

both of them

but I've already been over that in detail elsewhere

[charred wedge]

kinda wish the Doctor would get another companion whos near his equal again, like Romona or Nardole

hes only had 1 time lord companion in 60 years

[uneven grail]

or Donna

[final wind]

that season finale was so so disappointing

[uneven grail]

it was almost nonsensical

actually no, it was nonsensical

[charred wedge]

the build up to it was nice, just severely fumbled the last epi

a bottle episode inside the Tardis would be nice. The interior is fucking huge and they never explore it. maybe once in classic Who but thats about it

[uneven grail]

There's a creature inside the Tardis, and it's been there for centuries, but no one's ever really noticed it before

OR time has become fractured inside the Tardis. Events are not happening in the correct order. the Doctor and his companion get separated into two different timelines, and they have to leave each other clues to figure out how time got broken in the frist place.

that would be the episode I'd write

[charred wedge]

id watch a few connected episodes of that. they just gotta show us something we havent seen before, which i guess is kinda hard for a 60 year old show

[uneven grail]

Nah, that would be my bottle episode pitch 😄

[charred wedge]

spoilers for the last 2 episodes off the season are out there... beware...

[final wind]

is it anything cool

[charred wedge]

dunno, avoiding it

but apparently theyre 2 stills making the rounds that are pretty spoilery

[final wind]

made the mistake of looking at what redditors have to say aout doctor who

apparently women being fans of the show are the reason why its apparently super awful now

[runic seal]

Lmao that’s ridiculous, we had lots of girl fans crushing on david tennant and matt smith

[final wind]

yes, the redditor specifically said that it was the rise in woman fans from the tenth doctor that ruined the show 😭😭😭

because then it had to "pander to women" apparently

whatever the fuck that means lol

[runic seal]

One of peaks of modern who lol

[final wind]

i agree

redittors are just very very not smart

[runic seal]

Maybe its just a grumpy classic who fan

[final wind]

they miss when a man could slap a woman for speaking up

[runic seal]

Oh well i guess im glad im not as miserable with what i do in my free time

[charred wedge]

always an odd take when i see it, especially on discord. there is really no difference between reddit and discord, just depends on what servers/subreddits you go to

[runic seal]

For instance i didn’t like the direction some of my fav shows went (rick and morty and harley Quinn) so i dropped the show

[final wind]

i gotta disagree with you

discord has a shit ton of incel horrific stuff

but reddit only has that

[runic seal]

I did hate watch modern who at points but i still enjoyed certain episodes and in hindsight i like certain stories and aspects of jodie wittker’s run

[charred wedge]

wildly untrue, reddit is way more liberal than not

[final wind]

not sure what that has to do with anything

[charred wedge]

i find a way to avoid all the toxic shit you seem to run into just fine

[runic seal]

Discord also has quite a big lgbt side etc that i don’t think Reddit has

[final wind]

i avoid reddit by not using reddit lol

[charred wedge]

liberals dont tend to be the women haters

[final wind]

thats true

[final wind]

fair enough lol

[charred wedge]

the other side tho...

[final wind]

i think every social media has a lot of losers, reddit just likes to give them a bigger podium for some reason

[runic seal]

Valid take

[charred wedge]

again, i seem to easily avoid it

[final wind]

but its a problem i have with every social media, which i hate in general

[gentle coral]

They’re fake don’t worry

[charred wedge]

12 hours!

[final wind]

noooo dont tell me its premiering at 3am

im EST

it is 3am gosh darnit

ok i'll just watch it when i wake up in the morning

no biggie!

[uneven grail]

oh, is it this weekend?

[final wind]

tomorrow

[runic seal]

Is it doing that midnight release on bbc iplayer again

[final wind]

im not sure

[charred wedge]

new epis ok. not great not terrible, but ok

i just wish the show had more bite. like the entire planet was in civil war and people were dying, but at the same time it didnt feel like the show was taking that too seriously

It was almost like the characters in the episode were pretending there was danger, along with the actors (if that makes any sense)

[final wind]

im in agreement with you

i was really hoping that a season premiere would reel me in but it didnt

i do not like the new companion

i love ncuti and i think he is a great choice for the doctor but he is written so different from all the other doctors

this is kinda the problem with them having filmed season 2 before season 1 even aired, they werent able to take any criticisms into consideration

so all the issues with season 1 will remain

im hoping this season ramps up because i love the show

[charred wedge]

i didnt realize they filmed season 2 b4 1 released. thats definitely a misstep for most shows, especially Doctor Who. wonder if idiot disney made that a thing

[final wind]

its possible

except apparently disney is like

super unhappy with how the show has been doing

and while they have plans for a season 3 apparently they already filmed a regeneration scene with ncuti in case things dont improve this season

[charred wedge]

itd just be a shame if they got rid of Ncuti thinking he was whats wrong with the show. the episodes are just ok at best. needs new writing, maybe even lower the budget per episode so there can be more

i dunno, the well may just be dry on what people can come up with. its been 60 years after all

[gentle coral]

Rumour has it Gatwa walked

He wants to go to Hollywood

They’ve ||filmed a regeneration for him in reshoots||

It’s a shame - he’s great in the role, probably the most unique performance we’ve had in ages

And when he gets the material (Boom, Dot & Bubble, Joy To The World) he really rises to it

[gentle coral]

(This isn’t about quality - Gatwa chose to leave)

[charred wedge]

hmm, he probly saw the quality of the 1st 2 seasons and didnt want to hurt his castablility after season 3

whoever the new doc will be, i really wish theyd try and keep it a secret so we all 1st see him/her for the 1st time in the regen scene

[final wind]

i really cannot understate how much i love him as the doctor

he just has such a presence

i really think the show needs some new creatives

no disrespect to RTD but unless season 2 suddenly gets way better i think its clear that he just can't recapture the magic of his initial run

[gentle coral]

I doubt it’s this

Realistically it’s the filming gap

The way shows are made now, a three season commitment is at minimum 5 years of your life

He’s in his early 30s, now is the time to crack movies if ever

And Season 3’s production has been delayed until Disney renew or don’t

It’s a good, high profile gig that gives him plenty of flashy material and critical acclaim - I doubt he cares so much about plot holes

It’s solely a career move

[gentle coral]

His first era is brilliant and this has some solid high points, but it’s also very clear he’s given all he can to the show

Even his way of doing season premieres is very predictable by now

[final wind]

there is zero denying that what he did with the initial revival of the show was incredible and we owe all of the success of nuwho to him, but yeah it seems like he's just creatively spent

and thats ok

but its time to let someone new take over

[gentle coral]

Problem is, who

We got very lucky that RTD and Moffat, two of the UK’s very best writers, were massive Who nerds growing up

But there aren’t many on their level who are

I don’t see Jed Mercurio or Sally Wainright picking up the mantle

We know what happens when a weaker writer (sorry Chibnall) takes the job

[final wind]

absolutely the biggest issue is that the changing of the guard has been extremely hit or miss in the past

i'll do it though

i'll helm the show

[gentle coral]

Oh same

That’s the dream

I’ve so many ideas I just know the fans would hate

[final wind]

same here same here

but it would be cinema

[runic seal]

Lmao the doctor got rid of the electricity at a hospital

Prob killing anyone on life support

[final wind]

every single person in a vegetative state probably did indeed die 💀

im not a fan of the soft reboot of the show

this is such a different version of the character who makes more mistakes, is more emotionally vulnerable, etc etc

which arent bad things

but its hard to imagine this being a continuation of the doctor we know

[uneven grail]

I just kind of wish he'd tone down the energy a bit, you know? I get that that is his characterisation, but its 100% extrovert 100% of the time. It's exhausting

and yeah, new companion didn't make much of a first impression. I assume much like every other companion with an occupation, she won't actually get to use her skills at all. Martha never really did, what's-her-face with Whittaker never did, neither did Rory.

and now they're trying to do a Clara with making Belinda a 'fate' companion, except we've done that before. Can't just ignore its the same actress, have to make it into a 'thing'.

maybe I'm being too cynical, but its not feeling very fresh

Doctor Who has too much budget for it's own good. Yes, I liked that the robots were practical suits, but these stories are just too big. The joy of Who was those small domestic stories. The mundane against the extraordinary

Oh and was that John Mulaney in the teaser?

[gentle coral]

Oh I disagree with this

I think Belinda is far and away the best part of the episode

Great at pushing back against Gatwa, holding her own

There’s a touch of very welcome darkness in her attitude

[final wind]

i understand pushing back, but she came across as just straight up cruel to me

[gentle coral]

She walks away from Sasha’s death very easily

[gentle coral]

Yeah I like this

I want more than the usual excitable banter

[gentle coral]

It’s Alan Cumming

[final wind]

if i were in charge of doctor who i would have the companion be someone from a different time period or planet, it would give an interesting new perspective other than just "current day earthling"

[gentle coral]

Eh

I really don’t mind the present day companion thing

It roots the show in current sensibilities etc

The issue is when said character is a Ruby-type (i.e. excited, warm and friendly, playfully sassy and brave)

[final wind]

i get that, but in-universe current day is a very techonologically advanced version of society thats been invaded by aliens half a dozen times

[gentle coral]

It’s a character archetype they’ve relied on too much

[uneven grail]

as the cartoon character?

[gentle coral]

There are so many types of people we could be seeing in these adventures

[gentle coral]

Yes

[uneven grail]

oh, well there you go

[gentle coral]

That’s only in RTD2 - it’ll revert for the next era

[final wind]

yeah i think my issue is more just with the general direction of this era

because the point of the companion is to be someone for whom all the crazy doctor who stuff is totally novel

but that just isnt the case for your average person in-universe anymore

[uneven grail]

not so much cruel, but rather cold.

[final wind]

she was going off on the doctor for literally no reason

[uneven grail]

she didn't have a 'likable moment', you know?

[gentle coral]

It still is I think

UNIT know about aliens but nobody else does

[final wind]

i am totally fine with a companion not immediately being ok with running off with a stranger

[gentle coral]

What about when she treated the wounded soldiers?

[final wind]

but bro did nothing but try to help her

[gentle coral]

Nah I disagree he was being hella toxic in that last scene

Laughing off her questions until she snapped at him

[uneven grail]

to be fair, she was under stress and the situation was mad

[gentle coral]

It’s one of his go-to tricks - laughing off anything difficult or unpleasant

[final wind]

its gonna be interesting to see how they get over their extremely rough start

[gentle coral]

She cuts right through it

[final wind]

i have issues with the execution but i do like the idea of a companion who pushes back more and isnt immediately sucked into some fairy tale world

[uneven grail]

but I do also need her to find the joy in something

[final wind]

im excited to see how its expanded and further explored

[final wind]

yeah my problem was that i didnt really see any redeeming traits in her

like everything she did was understandable on some level

but she just doesnt seem like a nice person

[gentle coral]

She immediately starts treating the wounded soldiers

While the Doctor is too busy showing off

[final wind]

i did like that

she seems very inclined to help people

honestly i do feel like the doctor was SUPER out of character this episode

the doctor would never have initiated a plan that would get so many people killed

[gentle coral]

Well

[final wind]

and then not really care about any but one of them

[gentle coral]

He very often does

[final wind]

well there was that one time

but the doctor is all about trying to save everyone

[gentle coral]

https://youtu.be/aKq0s0KUGbU?si=-x4OnpJotortkN5I

https://youtu.be/R6o7W-WavLY?si=mYpxvuIiOEZJ7HHM

https://youtu.be/eJrmw-en5XM?si=NzmHxKNtuWfvuUoC

https://youtu.be/Lt9_D_IyLEs?si=tXY5EM1S5L3rjkUC

[final wind]

if i were in charge of doctor who, i would have one of the character's biggest flaws being their refusal to let anyone die even if they "deserve it", kinda like batman's no kill rule

in my mind i see the character as someone who resorted to violence once in the timelord war and never wants to do so again

[gentle coral]

I like that the Doctor can kill or allow people to die in extreme circumstances

It makes them slightly less Marvel

[final wind]

agreed, my favorite thing about 10 was that he had a very dark side to him when it was absolutely necessary

[gentle coral]

Doctor Who at its best loves a good moral dilemma

Force the man who won’t use a gun to choose the few or the many

[final wind]

but i just feel like the doctor in this episode should have realized that all those rebels would have died and would never have let them try to just attack guns blazing

he would have figured out some clever way to disable the robots or something

[uneven grail]

yeah, he was there for 6 months. that's a long time for the Doctor to be doing nothing

[final wind]

bro was there for 6 months and his best plan was a dozen unarmored untrained civilians with small guns???

[uneven grail]

well, we'll see how the rest of the season goes. I do not have high hopes.

[gentle coral]

I do

RTD very often goes for silly premiered

[final wind]

i really enjoyed season 1 other than the finale

[gentle coral]

There are some very promising episodes coming down the road

[final wind]

next episode looks like it'll be a lot of fun

[gentle coral]

Episode 3 could be incredible if the rumours are true

[final wind]

that would be so cool if they are

[gentle coral]

Have you heard what they are?

[uneven grail]

Its easier to not get any hopes up.

[final wind]

yes

[gentle coral]

That’s not very hopeful

[runic seal]

3 stars for this ep

[final wind]

out of?

[runic seal]

I like the companion’s personality for being unique but slightly worried her arc will be too similar to clara

[runic seal]

5

Everything else about the ep was mediocre and my expectations aren’t all that high which prob helps

[final wind]

the episode wasnt bad by any means, i just found myself not really feeling anything

2.5/5

perfectly middle of the road

[charred wedge]

I feel like if the Doctor isnt going to have an unspoken love of his companion like he had with Rose/Amy/Clara, that he/her should have multiple companions. really the only thing i liked about Whittaker's run was her 3 companions. plus i guess im just used to multiple companions from classic Who

[uneven grail]

yeah, more than one would be good. It worked beautifully with the Ponds

[final wind]

yes let the doctor have two companions or have a will they/wont they thing going

i think three companions was too many

but two companions is nice because you can have one who is more easy going and goes with everything while maybe the second one pushes back more