📺The Last of Us (2023)

[slow nova]

You dont need to see a LOT of it. You have to see a minimum representation of it. Showing and not telling is a must for proper establishing.

[dire island]

I didn't have any problem with it

[slow nova]

You said we don't need to see anything and I explained why I think otherwise.

[dire island]

which is fine, let's agree to disagree

[slow nova]

Also you talked about time but this is the show that invested 50 minutes on a subplot that didn't directly attach to the Joel Ellie story. The foundation is there.

[dire island]

well actually it did, episode 3 and the end was important to Joe Ellie story esp that letter at the end.. i don't know how showing the backstory of Kathleen and Michael was important

[potent nacelle]

it wasn't really, Kathleen's backstory I mean

[slow nova]

Yes but I talked about how I don't see her as a believable leader, of course they follow her as we established cause of her brother. I talked about the lack of seeing, in action how she commands that respect or a sign of all these good and bold decisions she made.

[potent nacelle]

Henry story can still be the same even with a ''nameless group hunting me down''

''I offered this great man, now they're after me''

instead of ''I offered this great man, now Kathleen and her goons are after me''

[slow nova]

The letter was a mere summary of what happened in the 50 minutes.

[dire island]

yes and it wouldn't have meant much to us viewers without the whole backstory

[slow nova]

I don't say they should have done a whole episode on Kathleen, just establish her better as a believable leader. With some clever writing that would've taken maybe 5-13 more minutes.

[slow nova]

Yes, so they invested that extra time, so I'm asking for a very miniscule amount of that time to maybe establish Kathleen a little better.

[dire island]

i thought she was perfectly believable leader, i mean she was sister of the leader of resistance and quite ruthless as well, her brother was then killed and then his supporters rallied behind her.. her tactics worked and FEDRA was overthrown.. that's all i need to know

would i have liked to see few minutes more of her?? Sure but i didn't need it

[slow nova]

Well I HEARD by exposition of the supposed good things she did and I SAW the beginning of the downfall of her group courtesy of her decisions fueled by a quest for revenge.

[dire island]

good things?? She did horrible things and that's why she is the leader, btw her brother wasn't that as he talked about forgiveness... you have to be ruthless in this world to be a leader

[slow nova]

I didn't ask for generally more minutes. I asked for more careful allocation of her screen time by showing she actually worked towards anything else other than hunting for Henry. Some leader stuff, good stuff. Those can be transitional scenes that last like 5 mins.

[slow nova]

Seriously? I mean good things for the empowerment of her group. Not kind acts.

[dire island]

well, Henry's betrayal led to killing of her brother who also was the former resistance leader.. of course that is gonna be her priority

[dire island]

well, FEDRA was overthrown under her watch and once Henry was captured and killed.. she might have tried to do other things, who knows

[slow nova]

Yes and despite those priorities people keep following her. You need to show why. For example what happens when someone crosses her, or some crap. It's the post apocalypse we're talking about. There's no oh I got this spot from my brother you're gonna respect me. Respect is earned.

[dire island]

it has only been 10 days though, and people keep following her because she's brutal and led the overthrow of FEDRA which were terrorizing them for 20 years.. you don't just get rid of a leader in 10 days alright, not even in an apocalypse.. and btw, her leadership would have been questioned if she had forgiven those collaborators but she didnt and they were killed

for me it makes perfect sense

[slow nova]

Yes, but how is she brutal? Just giving an order to kill some rats? Just killing a doctor? Why can't anyone else from her group fuck with her and take control?

It's obvious why, because we're told, but all I'm arguing about is you have to somehow see it.

[dire island]

seriously?? even the other guy said maybe we should give them a trial and she said No, kill them all.. Come on, you are being ridiculous now

[slow nova]

Negan for example used to fry people's heads when they crossed him, it doesn't have to be that extreme but you get the point.

[dire island]

This is last of us, not the walking dead.. don't compare these shows

[slow nova]

I don't compare them, I bring an example of a showcase of a character that somehow finds a way to command respect. You don't hear what negan does to other people, you see it.

[dire island]

and she killed that Doctor, someone who delivered her.. that is pretty brutal, i dont need to see her bashing heads alright

[potent nacelle]

Kathleen isn't great here to some --like me.
She lacks that presence which Tess, Marlene had as survivors in this really toxic world. This isn't something I can quite quantify or be objective about, so I'll leave it at that; she ain't got the vibe.
Continuing, they lost time on a backstory that truly does not matter, because one: it does not play into the overarching story. Second: it isn't properly told, for it is... well, told to us instead of shown.
We don't have emotional connection to her story, at least not a good reason to. We don't ever even see her brother-- or for that matter we don't ever see anything about her that isn't expositorily delivered to us, even her goons' trust on her is served on that same plate. Thus everything about her character falls flat to face value, and if her ruthless actions (which are out of sync with her performance and overall persona) for the rest of the episode were the last pillars holding it all up, then they were way too fragile to stand still-- again, for some.
That's about the best way I can put my criticisms towards episode 4 and 5, without being clumped together with the swarm of misogynists that come with the territory. Not meant as an argument, just clarifying my point of view and I think many others'.

[dire island]

Fine, for me she was perfectly believable

[slow nova]

I didn't ask for her to bash heads, and the doctor thing is something she did BECAUSE she's the leader, she had the freedom to do something like that, make a logically challenging choice. I'm asking of how she got there. On the podcast they said we'd see that and understand, I didn't. I heard about it from Perry but even then it is pretty vague. I'm just saying it needed a slightly better establishment. ||Her eventual demise doesn't shock me, that she died from something as stupid as a child walker because she was careless. Cause I haven't seen her being a fighter or careful.||

[dire island]

listen, you don't find her believable as a leader while i do, it is fine.. let's agree to disagree on this one and her arc is now over as well.. maybe if they had showed more of her backstory it would feel different but they didn't which is fine by me

[slow nova]

Didn't want backstory exactly could've been present day struggles. But yes sure agree to disagree.

[slow nova]

You bring up some valid points, very similiar to what I was saying. I think Kathleen comes from a concept that Druckmann had thought for the first Last of Us game, where Tess was initially supposed to be hunting Joel because he accidentally killed her brother and she wanted revenge which obviously didn't make it to the final game. So the gist is still there it's just another character and Henry is the culprit and the subject for revenge. I'm not sure what Kathleen adds overall to the story for the TV show but she could have easily have been reinforced just a little bit more to appear more legitimate as a threat and a credible leader. The thing is if you're not gonna build a little bit on these characters then there's no reason to have them in the first place. They could've just been bad people/hunters, similiar to the game. It just doesn't make good TV being this simple as black and white.

[tame crag]

i'd like to add that while i, too, can't take kathleen too serious, at the end of her arc i summed up everything and thought it was quite ok to see her in this way: she's not a leader, she's just the sister of the leader, so she won't feel all that "inspiring", but still, she's the one who goes completely ruthless and goes apeshit on fedra apparently

so her personality is quite creepy if you confront it with her attitude

[fathom marsh]

I think of her as a post apocalyptic Karen

[tame crag]

it basically is

and holy fuck that's scary af lol

[exotic wadi]

i'd do wish it was Kathleens head being ripped off not her head goon. would have been far more satisfying than just a normal zombie attack

5 = 4 > 1 > 2 > 3

[fathom marsh]

Why don’t you like 3?

[exotic wadi]

being last doesnt mean i dont like it

its all relative to each other

i just think its not as good as the other episodes
5 = 10/10
4 = 10/10
1 = 9.5/10
2 = 9/10
3 = 7.5/10

[fathom marsh]

I do agree that 4 is really good

Not that many people appreciate it

[exotic wadi]

i think its cause so many people liked 3 "so much" that episode 4 felt disappointing to them after they raised their expectations

but as someone who wasnt amazed by 3, episode 4 was much much better

[fathom marsh]

Why don’t you like episode 3 as much as the others?

[exotic wadi]

most people here disagree and will probably shake in their boots but i think it was pointless filler that was at times cringy. its can (and has) been done better to get to the final goal it did, i think it was pointless padding, cool standalone story but as an episode in tlou after waiting a week i wasnt pleased

people gonna see that and once again start malding but idgaf, i think it was filler i rewatched it and im not changing my opinion

[fathom marsh]

It’s actually what got me hooked on the show.
I agree with everything you said, but I also think it was more than that, at least to me.
It showed how even in a post apocalyptic world where zombies have taken over, people can still fall in love and live a life

[exotic wadi]

as i said as a standalone story it was great but as tlou its been done before and better, the end point of the episode was to 1. get supplies for ellie and joel, 2. make joel realise he needs to protect ellie. the game did it better, it did it quicker and personally it felt more satisfying seeing joel realise he couldnt turn out like bill

i just wish they maybe showed a quick montage of them falling in love and then dying (no need for 60 mins, 20 at most would have surficed) showed the letter given the equiptment and moved on, the entire beggining of episode 4 could have been in episode 3

that or stuck to the original and did it as the game did. showed bill as a grumpy stubborn old man who joel should achieve to not be like

ik thats gonna tick some people off but idc.

[digital mauve]

idk, i like that she got killed by a dead kid after making such a big deal about kids dying

[red agate]

I dont see how fedra is evil atleast in boston

[dire island]

Was hanging people for mere going out of QZ not evil??

[proper bloom]

tess

[red agate]

The outside world is full of the infected and chanced to get infected

[dire island]

Yes but if they weren't infected.. you could just jail them instead of killing them

[red agate]

It may be seen as extreme but death would be a major deterent for anyone thinking of leaving

[dire island]

It is extreme but ya they were being extra careful I guess because even one infected could cause a lot of problems..

My point though was FEDRA has to be evil, question is how evil.. like its less evil like in Boston but a lot more evil in kansas and that led to a revolution

[red agate]

Id say boston QZ is the idealic sweet spot. Commit crimes and you will be severly punished but if you dont cause trouble and keep your head down you can enjoy a comfortable enough life

[potent mauve]

the point of TLOU is that there's always a grey area for things

[red agate]

Not to mention terrorist groups are bombing the zone and tipping the zone towards deadly disorder

[dire island]

Possibly but there may be other QZs even more Liberal than that

[red agate]

Perhaps but I dont think any democratic zones would survive long

[dire island]

I agree and I wasn't meaning democracy.. I'm just saying punishments might be less severe

[red agate]

Perhaps and for all we know the current policies of the zone are new in response to the anarchist "firefly" rebels

[dire island]

That may be true

[potent mauve]

Firefly I believe was in response to FEDRA

iirc

[proper bloom]

If they were able to take down FEDRA during that episode I wonder how strong FEDRA is nationwide

[red agate]

Fedra seems to be only occupying QZs and perhaps a few disperced military bases

[proper bloom]

After 20 years, I can imagine how scarce government resources can become without the obedience of people in the qzs and other areas

Don't they use people in the QZ to work and stuff?

[red agate]

I dont think the QZs have any resources expendable enough to send to other zones

[proper bloom]

ah

[red agate]

In ep1 they do show the civies working for ration cards

I think at most the QZ's talk to eachother and symbolically continue other organs of the United states

[calm swift]

TBH, not a lot of people know just how much stuff the governments of US and Russia stockpiled for the potential nuclear war. As a Cold war history enthusiasts I can say - A LOT.

[slow nova]

I wouldn't say it's pointless filler, but let's just say if it was in the game it would've been a 50 page collectible, not sure I'd read it because you actually wanna go ahead with the main plot.

[tame crag]

I can tell you that if something is written good and interesting I read through it all, I remember loving Dragon Age 2 lore books and journals

[exotic wadi]

I can understand the change from spores to normal zombie bites and scratches as using a mask in a show can be hard to act with and u can do it without a mask but this bill + frank change was unessecary and stupid. Should have just done it as the game did imo

Its not a bad episode as i said. I give it a 7.5/10 but its not higher because it can and has been done better and it felt annoying waiting a week to get that

[slow nova]

I don't mind the change of Bill's fate, and I appreciate the flashbacks of Joel and Tess, but yeah agree it was maybe too much time invested they could've maybe done it in 30 or so minutes.

[slow nova]

I agree, but that's my point, if it was more carefully intertwined with the main story it would be part of it and not a collectible.

[tame crag]

the bill and frank story in the game is a joke

it's easily the worst and most ridicolous part of the game

it's downright trash

"yeah these guys lived together for a while and then one of the two just decided to do everything wrong and died in a stupid manner"

"the other became a terrible person stalked by the feeling that no one is to be trusted, the end"

[tame crag]

well i mean, most of what we're watching regarding secondary characters is something out of journals

trying to draw parallels to the game, at this point, is a bit too much 'cause the series already deviated a lot from the game

and while i'm mad about tess ending in contrast to the game

it still is a different medium, so whatever

[exotic wadi]

yeah okay agree to heavily disagree

[slow nova]

Downright trash as far on if we're happy about it yes, but it's a realistic take on a post apocalyptic world full of misery and the need to survive. The Bill and Frank story in the show is a much more happy story in a sense, but they only faced one big threat in years of being there. So it's like they're living alone in the entire world. This creative world that has been created has a way to play with the realistic and wholesome switch, and change sides whenever it's fitting. It is what it is.

[tame crag]

that's totally fair and i have some issues with that aswell, like... raiders? Only one time? Those traps never caused some trouble? Well ok I guess

but i mean, the game takes the same "liberty" in many stuff, and i think we can expect 100% realism both from a game or a show about a zombie apocalypse... otherwise the fungus infection wouldn't be exactly believable if you ask me lol

[supple plinth]

they probably appeared more than that, it's just nothing serious ever happened, unlike the one time we did see them

[tame crag]

yeah that's how i explained myself as well, buuuut well, could even be a simple dialogue line

"you know all the shit we went through with raiders and zombies"

[supple plinth]

probably an oversight on the writer's part

[tame crag]

yeh, yeh

[mighty lion]

Episodes ranking

5
4
1
3
2

[exotic wadi]

Based
5 = 4 > 1 > 2 > 3
For me

[dire island]

For me, 3>5>4>1>2

[oblique ferry]

5
3
1
4
2

Hype for next one now

[fathom marsh]

My exact ranking

[dapper plank]

5>1>4>2>3

[boreal gazelle]

Yea, this is a mistake that the Walking Dead did. Or maybe not a mistake but in their world people are desensified to zombies. They are used to them, hell sometimes they literally use them as cattle. And hordes at the gates is just a normal daily thing.

[digital mauve]

yeah thats something about the last of us (at least the show) that i really prefer to other zombie media, which is that in this world the biggest threat is usually other people, but if you encounter even a few infected youre going to have a REALLY hard time

[boreal gazelle]

I hate all of these scenes, I hate that movie. If you read the book you would understand why. They pretty much literally just took the name of the book and made their own movie.

And by doing so they ensured that we will never get a proper World War Z movie. If they did it right, it would of been made in the style of a mock-documanery about it.

So, it's told as if the event actually happened from the view point of survivors all around the world.

Who told you about what it was like all over the world and how various countries acted etc and the tactics they were using. They could of shown tons of awesome clips like the Zombie Wall Scene and played it off as Historical footage.

[boreal gazelle]

Yea, I like that part alot too. The Zombie part seems to be mostly handled by the gov. I guess you can say they did a decent job after all.
Their harsh response had it's results I guess.

And then morally they don't seem much different than the rebels who hate them.

But, to the avg person the zombies are really a big big threat. Remember the gov fought them off with... you know an army... With tanks and bombs and stuff.

[slow nova]

That mostly happens cause TWD zombies are slow af, TLOU zombies go faster than Usain Bolt sometimes, plus they make you shit yourself.

[digital mauve]

yes having the show take place 20 years after the outbreak with a sort of government already in place is a cool change from many zombie movies and shows

[digital mauve]

they are so fucking fast

[left geyser]

https://twitter.com/PopBase/status/1625562170993025026?t=PKCAuszSmELMdbM1aLw_QA&s=19

Pop Base (@PopBase)

‘The Last Of Us’ crew reveal they were not allowed to say the word ‘zombie’ on set:

“We weren’t allowed to say the Z word on set. It was like a banned word. They were the Infected. We weren’t a zombie show.”

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This is a lame nitpick but getting sorta annoyed with zombie stories that try to invent new words because "zombies" got overplayed

A thing you'd hear pre release about days gone, another Sony zombie game, was how annoyingly the devs would insist you call them "freakers"

[mighty lion]

It’s a Shaun of the dead reference lol

[proper bloom]

mushroom

[opal cloak]

Just finished the new episode and I can’t stop crying 😭 the episode was fantastic but the ending of the episode was so sad

[silver panther]

Watching episode 5 and ||Kathleen had better fucking die||

[silver panther]

hehe

Henry and Sam's death still hurts like a motherfucker

[proper bloom]

Touch it

[slow nova]

Always does, in the game it brings me in a near crying point.

[digital mauve]

I’ve been thinking and honestly I think Jenna Ortega should play Ellie in season 2

[uncut linden]

Just a casual race change

[uncut linden]

I want a behind the scenes on how that was made so badly. Love that kind of stuff

[sick pawn]

Who cares? Fuck it 😎

[uncut linden]

Hey not juding

[digital mauve]

what the fuck did you just say

[proper bloom]

LOL

what about Meryl Streep

[dire island]

You must be joking right??

[slow nova]

Too distracting.

But I agree that they would maybe need to do another actor, I can't believably imagine Bella Ramsey ||going behind someone's back and slitting their throat.|| Unless they restructure the entire way that the violence is done in the show, but I still can very hardly find it believable.

[digital mauve]

That’s what people said about Bella before the show aired tho tbf

I think Jenna looks the part, her kind of more grim appearance would be more fitting with the second game, she usually is cast in dark productions which I think might work well too, and her name would rack up even in more viewership plus she’s a great actress

[analog hearth]

i regret opening this thread-

bye

[digital mauve]

Why

[sterile coral]

Are you trolling

[digital mauve]

bella ramsey improved so much and she's doing a great job rn imo

i had some doubts for the first 2 eps but she's killing it

also her vocal game was on point from the beginning

she absolutely needs to voice act

[ionic cave]

Stopped watching the show but, I thought ppl here might enjoy seeing this.

bye.

[supple plinth]

why'd you stop watching? was it episode three?

[ionic cave]

nah, the hype around it was not really translating for me it felt very mid.

I stopped after ep 4, knowing that both Ellie & Joel have a plot armor that would not cause any kinda terminal harm to them regardless of any threat they face & since ik that Joel & Ellie will be the only surviving || at least till s01 ||/ chars we follow throughout the show, it was a waste of time to even get interested in other chars introduced in other eps (whom I genuinely found more interesting than E & J )

[dense coral]

That's like 95% of shows and movie

[dire island]

Majority of protagonists in a movie or a show don't die though, I watch a show for their journey as well

[digital mauve]

stop.

[ionic cave]

yes but, for other stuff I won't be aware of the thing that's going to happen.

[calm swift]

totally agree

[potent mauve]

Lol they’re not switching casting

And I think Bella is doing an amazing job

[fathom marsh]

This is awesome

[dire island]

Bella is absolutely doing an amazing job and would love to see her in season 2 as well plus this is a show which is only a adaptation of the game..

[uncut linden]

I love Bella

[surreal narwhal]

Keep Bella she’s amazing

Best part of the show

[surreal narwhal]

Hell nah

Bella staying

[digital mauve]

we almost made it

new the last of us tomorrow!

[supple plinth]

yeah!!

[nova dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[winged gorge]

I'll say it right now

I was wrong about this show

I'll eat an entire crow pie bro

[supple plinth]

what did you say about the show originally?

[winged gorge]

I was concerned

Because of the past few video game adapations

The uncharted film

Resident Evil Netflix show

But this is an a example of a show that really did understand it's roots.

And it makes sense since they got Neil Drunkman to be in control of most of the project.

I also think there was alot less leg work to do as LOU is written in a way that can easily be translated to film.

Alot of the characterization is done through dialogue and cinematic visuals whichs translates perfectly into something like a TV show.

This is not to say that the game doesn't use it's medium to it's fullest but at least 50% of the artistic make up of Last of Us was cinematic in nature.

[supple plinth]

i can see where you're coming from with that, yeah

[sly oracle]

Chunki boi

[digital mauve]

its almost time!

[digital mauve]

oh my roommate is watching episode 5

cant wait to hear his reaction

[digital mauve]

WHY IS THE EPISODE NOT SHOWING UP FOR ME

ok i see it noww

[digital mauve]

OOO THEYRE DOING THE SCENE

[supple plinth]

thought he was gonna lick that pole for a second ☠️

[digital mauve]

another FIRE episode

so good

there is a character who shows up in this episode

who i was like 90% certain would show up

who i was still very happy to see

[proper bloom]

Great episode

[supple plinth]

it was really good

nice balance of tension and relief throughout

[regal lagoon]

kinda underwhelmed by how they changed up the scene with ||joel getting badly injured|| but still a great episode

[umbral sedge]

Why. Isn’t. Pedro. Pascal. Bigger

This man is so talented. He deserves so much more recognition than he already has

[regal lagoon]

idk

his biggest role he doesn't even show his face

loool

but yea hes underrated

[digital mauve]

i had suspected that the show would do a bit more to setup part two

and well

yeah

[regal lagoon]

how many eps is left

[digital mauve]

3

[haughty geyser]

There was definitely some Chernobyl vibes with this episode. I enjoy that they're showing Joel be a lot more vulnerable. But yes, they are definitely bracing us for season 2. The university scene was fast - but overall I really enjoyed Pedro and Bella's performance.

[regal lagoon]

have you played the game

[digital mauve]

no but im familiar with the general story of the two games

[haughty geyser]

I suppose they tried to make it seem more realistic. A rusty pipe feels like it's more life-threatening. But I agree, it felt underwhelmed for sure

[regal lagoon]

tbh i dont think there needs to be any set up for part 2. part 2 can jus start on its own. ||if i remember correctly the first scene in the second game kinda picks up right where it left off.||

[digital mauve]

no what i mean is like

its not "setting up" part two

but there are things in part two that realistically would be present during the first one

[regal lagoon]

elaborate cus ngl i still dk what u mean lmaoo

[digital mauve]

i dont know how else to explain it lol

you either know or you dont

[regal lagoon]

like wha

[regal lagoon]

its not like it was bad. its kinda my fault i shouldnt be expecting every major plot point in the game to be exactly the same in the show lol

[digital mauve]

ok, current episodes rating:
5
6
3
1
2
4

[supple plinth]

i'm still not solid on where six sits for me, but that looks like a good ranking to me

[regal lagoon]

5
3
6
1
4
2

[dire island]

Another great episode..

[digital mauve]

did you not like this episode?

[dire island]

I like the different setting in this sixth episode like ||that settlement is near perfect with democracy and collective ownership ||, and I guess fireflies ||have shifted elsewhere then||

[fathom marsh]

3
5
4
6
2
1

[digital mauve]

SPOILERS: yes, yes it was. (the podcast confirmed it)

[torn dirge]

||no shot joel is actually dead right||

||right ||

[digital mauve]

well, there are three more episodes

and surely... surely they wouldnt do that to us EVER right?

surely

they would NEVER do something like that!

never ever

[dire island]

No way ||this quickly into the show but I wonder how he will recover ||

[restive turret]

guess it was a good idea to play part 2 before watching the show

[regal lagoon]

i hope not

[restive turret]

at least for this ep

loaded with easter eggs for part 2

[regal lagoon]

|| https://tenor.com/view/dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-funny-smirk-smile-gif-20308661 ||

[short rock]

Pfft, ||why aren’t people talking about baby shimmer? ||

Also i’m looking forward to the next Shapiro video talking how TLOU is brainwashing us into communism

[drowsy yew]

Another peak episode.

So good.

[calm swift]

Great episode. Nice shift of pace after action packed 5th. But I have to ask. When there's snow outside and heroes are walking around living space with their shoes on - is this some American thing?

[supple plinth]

i liked it, but i need time to form an educated opinion

[analog hearth]

this is the cutest thing

[dire island]

Yes it was.. Joel and Ellie relationship gets better with every new episode

[potent mauve]

Episode 7 is my favourite episode personally

Im very excited for people to watch it next week

[dire island]

Ah yes, saw the preview.. I'm very interested as well

[short birch]

i just caught up.

[short birch]

they're not? bruh.

is it gonna end the way the first game ended? probably right?

[slow nova]

Just finished the ep! I'm kinda skeptical about some tweaks to Joel's characterization but nothing too serious I guess.
They nailed THE SCENE! That's all I care about.

[supple plinth]

which one was the scene? there were a lot in that episode

[slow nova]

The one i||n Ellie's room||, it's the most famous character scene of the game, a definite turning point in their relationship!

[exotic wadi]

The title sequence is unreasonably good

[supple plinth]

ah. thanks for the clarification!

[digital mauve]

i think i mentioned this last week

but i honestly expected this episode to be a boring filler

and while obviously there wasnt really much action or even any infected

its still one of my favorite episodes

because it added so much to joel and ellie's relationship (especially joel)

and that relationship is a big part in what made the last of us stand out from other zombie media

[supple plinth]

i agree with that

[slow nova]

Yeah, the previews make you feel that sometimes.

[digital mauve]

yeah, i agree

and i have heard that next episode is very good so i am excited

[sly oracle]

Another stellar episode...mighty proud it was directed by Jasmila Žbanić...Bosnia and Herzegovina represent 🇧🇦💪

[slow nova]

Well I don't know if it'll be a masterpiece but it'll sure give some more context about a lot of things and also add some extra backstory that was not in the game.

[exotic wadi]

Great episode. Loved it

[quartz orchid]

has ||joel died yet||

in the show

or did he go golfing yet

💀

[exotic wadi]

In the game ||joel is impaled i think so no he wont die from this stab wound||

[quartz orchid]

i havent watched the show yet so

but im sure soon he will go golfing with friends and they will show him a new technique and he will be mindblown!!!

[exotic wadi]

He ||dies in TLOU part 2|| which will be in season 2. Im probably going to skip season 2 tho cause i think tlou pt 2 is utter dogshit

[quartz orchid]

ong ghost of tsushima robbed for goty

🤷

[exotic wadi]

Fr. Im probs gonna skip out on Part 3 if they ever make it. Shit deserves to be burried and forgotten. In my headcanon part 2 never happens

[quartz orchid]

yeah same

im waiting on got 2

or rdr3

[exotic wadi]

Nah 8/10 sequels ruin it.

[quartz orchid]

yeah true

[exotic wadi]

Rdr2 is one of the few exceptions

[quartz orchid]

got2 is in development tho

apparently

[exotic wadi]

Havent played GOT in years. Barely remember it

[quartz orchid]

damnn same, i played so much in lockdown

was my fav game for so long

[exotic wadi]

Its probably somewhere in my steam library

[quartz orchid]

its a ps exclusive

[exotic wadi]

If not my playstation 4 i sold

Yeah

[quartz orchid]

damn unlucky

whats ur fav game

[exotic wadi]

Like story or game i play most?

[quartz orchid]

any game

that u really enjoy and love

[exotic wadi]

In terms of like single player story game probably uncharted 1 and 4

[quartz orchid]

nice nice

for me its skyrim or dying light

[exotic wadi]

Still disappointed in the film tom holland as nathan and mark as sulley is some of the worst casting

Mark would have been a better nathan lmao

[quartz orchid]

FR BRO

[exotic wadi]

I think there is only 2 tom holland films i truely love which is cherry and chaos rising or walking whatever its called havent seen it in years

By years i mean last year lmao

Not a big tom holland fan in general

[quartz orchid]

same

[digital mauve]

PEDRO PASCAL IS SO GOOD

bella ramsey too holy shit im so proud of her

she's doing so good and i didnt even like her that much for the first 2 eps

but pedro is a god

4 episodes left to go

[supple plinth]

i think we only have three

there's nine in total, right?

[tame crag]

yeh, it's 9

this one felt a bit rushed imho, they had to show a lot lol

also joel || definitely doesn't die as this is that brief moment where you get to play ellie and go around doing stuff ||

the very question is: WILL THE BRICK TRICK SHOW UP? Remain with us to find out.

tbh, after going through part I again, i can't seem to find a reason to not think part II is like the whole opposite of what this show is

zero relationship drama, everything very neat stuff, very dramatic view of a post-apocalyptic society

and damn, part II falls so short in comparison

[digital mauve]

||wait but imdb credits them for 10 eps doesnt it||

||oh wait nvm it counts the first ep of s2 for some reason||

is that a spoiler???

[tame crag]

i dont think so lol

but it may be?

well it depends on who they credit, so yes, it may be a spoiler definitely lol

[digital mauve]

wait okay i'll spoiler the first post too just in case

[digital mauve]

do you mean part 1 as in first 4 eps?

[supple plinth]

i think they mean the plot of the first game

[winged gorge]

Bawled my eyes out

This show is a ten out of ten

best thing of the year

[boreal gazelle]

Communalism in the form show is pretty common during times of crisis and the fact that the settlers are just citizen survivors. Should they create a over complex capitalistic system when their true goals was just their survival and well-being.

Also, what's with the choice thing. His brother Tommy is hooked up with a commie council leader. It's odd that she would even allow Tommy to go the university alone.

Why don't they go together in a squad? Literally makes no sense, rofl.

[dire island]

Why would people in those settlement risk their lives for Ellie esp when they don't even know about her true condition and Joel simply cannot trust them as well.. Tommy is his brother,

[digital mauve]

no thats in season 2

[dire island]

So we see some camera crew on far left during this 6th episode.. like GoT Starbucks moment

[potent mauve]

minor spoilers for the end ||yes the season ends like the first game||

[potent mauve]

im pretty sure the podcast said "🤷"

[digital mauve]

yeah but the fact that they mentioned it at all meant that it was intentional

[slow nova]

They literally included a line about how it wouldn't work on a larger scale so they're not full on promoting it, just realizing it's potential on a small scale. Any critic would really have to focus on that specific line and ignore the overall context.

[dense coral]

that would never happen with Ben Shapiro!

[slow nova]

Ikr, I'm just saying if he does that his opinion doesn't matter or it's easily debunked.

[dense coral]

implying it ever matters

[slow nova]

Also pretty sure that Tommy's problem was not the actual way they were running that place, it's just the name, he was an army guy and the word itself has a bad reputation, but in that case it was referencing something good.

[tame crag]

Ye, this

As soon as they start the plot of the second game everything will go awry 😢

Infact probs I'll stop with the first season, perhaps 1st episode of the second one

But not looking forward to the second season lol

[supple plinth]

maybe they won't do a season two, or make some big changes

[tame crag]

If they take some very needed licenses and change stuff they can sorta save the plot

Otherwise it's cringe and unsubstantial material for a tv show

[supple plinth]

maybe they'll just do an epilogue (that ends before anything major happens in the second game) and not do a season two.

[dapper plank]

damn that was a good episode

Even though the final sequence was much shorter than the game I think it made it more realistic, Joel bleed enough for 2 people in that version

[dapper plank]

He obviously didn’t tell Maria he was going to take Ellie, Joel explicitly stated he couldn’t.

[junior mauve]

tlou part 2 was ||bad. Gameplay carried. The story and writing was terrible though||

[sick pawn]

TLOU2 kino

[boreal gazelle]

Why do police? Emt? Soldiers? Volunteers? They can't secure their roads and provide an escort? A leader of the settlement would risk her baby father life and not send any protection when it was showed They have the ability and force to patrol?

Thus they could provide escort easy

[dire island]

But again to do that they have to be be given a reason and they need to be convinced that Ellie is immune and Joel can't trust them,

Also a lot of these people are living a good life with lots of amenities.. would they even care about a vaccine at this point?? Many might not even believe Ellie is immune

[tame crag]

could be a very good solution

[slow nova]

I agree, personally I'll probably watch it just to be on the train of fans of another medium reacting to it, tbh I totally get what you're saying and if anyone wants to stop watching I say go for it, we should have fun with shows, games, and movies and if something is not fun or is depressing you, you should stop.

No matter what other people are saying.

I think how they do Season 2 based on the critiscisms of narrative they received from the game is going to be very interesting and that will most likely keep me watching.

[tame crag]

that's basically the only interesting part of the season 2

reaction to criticisms

i mean, if they keep the relationship affair in and add all the missing stuff that you would expect from tlou, it can be even better than season 1

but if they keep it how the game goes... razzy award incoming

[slow nova]

The side that liked the game used the argument that gamers are a weird kind of fans, so I finally wanna see this story being told on another medium and see how it translates and what the reaction is from a much larger pool of people that is TV viewers. I see it as an interesting experiment.

[tame crag]

fact is that gamers are very weird fans

obviously a game needs to be interesting as a game

however, most of the time gamers understand exactly 0 of anything story-wise

and that's what is happening here: whoever wasn't bummed by the story, it's 'cause they couldn't care less for it

(or were very happy with the relationship stuff, which is nice i have to admit, but it's sadly the only good part lol)

(and not so good i'd say)

[zenith lichen]

Those that dislike part 2 seriously in the minority. There's nothing wrong with criticizing part 2, but so much of the popular criticism seems to either comes from a place of dishonesty or misunderstanding.

[zenith lichen]

I think it's quite obvious when you look at sites with verified purchases vs something like Metacritic. Very high ratings from sites like Amazon and Best Buy (4.7/5 on both) vs 5.8/10 on Metacritic

Iirc on Metacritic within 24 hours of the TLOU2 release(a 20+ hour game) it had more reviews than TLOU1 which had been out for 5 or 6 years at that point

So it think a similarly faithful adaptation of the second game seems more likely than not

[potent nacelle]

fucking good episode

where are the pathetic people complaining about Bella Ramsey's cast now

where they at

https://tenor.com/view/modcheck-discord-twitch-spongebob-looking-gif-21451454

[slow nova]

She was very good at that scene, nailed the feeling.

Also funny thing is IRL she's as old as Ellie was in the second game.

[boreal gazelle]

Still Joel and Tommy could of went together. And still hard to believe that an armed escort would be asking too much. A settlement like that could not realistically exist without safe routes and safe neighboring land to support farms, hunting and resource gathering and trade.1

The settlement is heavily suggested to be strong and took out raiders and zombies alike.

Considering they have armed patrols and the university was basically a neighboring settlement to their own. It basically made no sense they wouldn't of cared enough to provide a small envoy.

Why you think it isn't their problem. The show revealed that there is a threat just a horse ride away from the settlement. So it is indeed their problem.

[digital mauve]

i wrote her an apology letter after ep3

[boreal gazelle]

They found a new jailbait character to fetish over by now I assume.

[digital mauve]

wait not true ellie was never that

[boreal gazelle]

Yet, the most common compl!nt I saw about casting was that the actress was too ugly.

The character of ellie in the game is basically the teenager girl character in Juno.

[digital mauve]

omg yeah i forgot about the people who said she shouldve been prettier

crazy self report

[haughty geyser]

yuck

[dire island]

Again, you are missing the point.. Ellie and Joel could have easily stayed in the settlement alright and for them to go to that university they have to give a reason to do so and that was Ellie being immune.. Joel simply cannot trust them at this point as nobody has seen that

So without that major info, why would people in that settlement agree to help Joel and risk their lives??

[proper bloom]

They were eating pumpkin pie

Honestly kinda glad that I didn’t play the game

Granted I did see some cutscenes

[digital mauve]

i keep seeing reactions to episode 6 where people don't acknowledge/recognize ||dina|| and it makes me so angry

the main reason i was so excited about it is because i theorized it would happen and i was just really happy to be right 😭

[digital mauve]

exactly. tommy wasn't going to risk the future of his wife and baby so some teen can find her parents

[supple plinth]

well, maybe those people haven't played the games/know the story and don't know the signicance

it was only for a couple seconds anyhow

[digital mauve]

most likely

and like

good for them for getting to experience it for the first time

but still

[dire island]

Yes and other settlement members even more.. they don't even know Joel and Ellie and why would they take a risk?? Esp if they aren't told the truth

[digital mauve]

yeah their whole deal is "stay safe by staying inside"

theyre not gonna risk their safety and the safety of the settlement for two strangers

[dire island]

Agreed

[digital mauve]

yeah i saw that lol

[vocal holly]

The starbucks accident all over again!

[low current]

i didnt notice

[burnt nest]

are you eating your words yet? 💀
it’s a pretty damn good show, and an even better game adaptation than any show i’ve seen (same level as Cyberpunk fr)

[tame crag]

It's not like it was so obvious, you glanced out and you would miss the scene lol

[oblique ferry]

The good ending

[digital mauve]

i love pedro pascal so much

do you guys think people who know him irl call him pedro

that sounds so weird

he's pedro pascal not pedro

[analog hearth]

pedrito

[potent nacelle]

Pascal is not compound

it's a surname

Pedro being his first name, people probably refer to him as just that

[digital mauve]

yeah i realize that lmao it just sounds weird to not call him pedro pascal

[potent nacelle]

I mean De Niro is referred to as ''Bob'' on set

always found that funny

[digital mauve]

omg thats illegal

[sterile coral]

I know parts of fandoms that like to call their actors by first name

It fosters a degree of closeness

[digital mauve]

omg thats like calling nicki minaj onika its so weird

[sterile coral]

I've done it before, it's not that weird

[digital mauve]

you've called nicki minaj onika?

[sterile coral]

No

But I have called actors in fandoms I'm part of by first name

[digital mauve]

but isnt that like a parasocial relationship

i heard those were unhealthy

[oblique ferry]

....bro they are just calling the PERSON by their first name....

If you call your friend by their first name only, is that also a parasocial relationship lol

[potent marten]

I don't think calling a celebrity by their first name is a parasocial relationship

[oblique ferry]

Same

[sick pawn]

Are you supposed to call them Mr Pascal?

[oblique ferry]

I will call him by his SI unit Pa

[digital mauve]

but if theyre your actual friends it wouldnt be parasocial would it

[oblique ferry]

You can have parasocial relationships with friends because it can be one sided

Anyways, this aint the topic right here

[potent nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/the-deep-deep-thoughts-deep-thoughts-with-the-deep-the-boys-gif-26372785

[sly oracle]

That's deep

[oblique ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

[boreal gazelle]

Yet, he was 100 percent going to do that. Because he was going to take Ellie alone. Giving a good chance that his wife was going to be a widow and raise their baby alone.

[umbral sedge]

Why wouldn’t Tommy risk the future of his wife and baby when the outcome could lead to a cure for a better life for his family? That feels like a good deal

[digital mauve]

yeah, AFTER he learned that ellie was immune and that he was taking her to save ALL OF HUMANITY

he wasnt going to take her when he just thought she was some random firefly's daughter

[boreal gazelle]

But, yet it isn't. As we are told and shown a few things. We are told by the old couple that across the river is the land of DEATH. It is later revealed that it is the "Land of Death" because of the settlement has a very active patrol that commonly takes on zombies and bandits alike. We also see them in a decent force armed on horseback.

So, no they are not a "hide behind their walls" kinda people. The walls add some protection, but it's their gang of active Cavalry fighters who are obviously securing the village.

[digital mauve]

yeah but my point still stands that theyre not just gonna send a bunch of people out to travel for weeks to help some kid whos just looking for her parents

[boreal gazelle]

Yet, it's shown that the travel really wasn't that far. I really doubt that Tommy was going to sneak out away from his wife on a weeks long trip just out a favor of his brother being a coward.

The university had to be just a simple day's ride at best, nothing in the show suggests it was really that far of a trip. In fact one of the reasons Joel even takes up the mission for Ellie is he is convinced it's basically on the way to find Tommy anyway.

Secondly, You said risk their lives for nothing. But Joel was promised a reward, likely a big reward. And the university and the settlement are neighbors. It's actually kinda odd that the settlement would not be aware of the university (Though, I assume it was meant to be a secret location of the fireflies)

Seeing how active the town's patrol is granting them the title of the "LAND OF DEATH" helping some passerbys get to their very nearby location could be easily justified as just another patrol and scouting mission.

The whole thing just came off as very illogical. Which is fine for Joel. When you are fearful you do not think with much logic.
Yet, Tommy who has alot to lose deciding to take up such a mission completely alone makes no sense at all.

There is added protection if they were able to go anywhere as a group. A commune would understand this and likely not be about letting their own people wander off into unknown land to die.

Or is this settlement more the type to just let Tommy go out and die. Then, they would seek to revenge him in full force, despite the fact that they could of just protected him at the start and he would be alive?

[digital mauve]

it was five days to the university

[slow nova]

If you guys and/or gals are fighting over distance and travelling time within the show, wait till we get to Season 2.

[sonic badge]

one thing I like about Last of Us is how manipulative everyone is and how even the protagonists have to stoop down to guilt tripping at a certain point

tess and now joel

it has a sense of authenticity where it really dawns on you that these are just sad weak people

[tame crag]

Implying people will be around for that shitshow 👀

[winged gorge]

You know what. I have hope now

And hey, maybe when the Neil Drunkman will learn from his mistakes on LOU2 when he makes season 2

[potent nacelle]

Will he

[winged gorge]

Yeah I think so

I mean he did a lot of writing here, a lot of rework

He’s still a good story teller he just made a slip up

It happens to everyone

This is a chance to refine and try again

[slow nova]

You don't have to refine if you did nothing wrong. I don't think he thinks like that, to his book it was a commercial success and he only keeps the positives. Personally I don't give a shit, it is what it is. I'll watch it for the reactions and for shits and giggles.

[sick pawn]

Druckmann based
TLOU2 kino

[winged gorge]

Well I think there was alot of missteps, but that’s just me.

[slow nova]

I agree, it is what it is tho, it won't change.

[acoustic stream]

Episode three was amazing!!

[acoustic stream]

I didn't know Nick Offerman had that performance in him

[acoustic stream]

https://www.tiktok.com/@salvy93/video/7203049396882165035?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7031713978355975685

[uneven pawn]

we are such rebels. nobody can handle the chaos we unleashed here

[misty trout]

📺The Last of Us (2023)

[potent nacelle]

who was that one person

that kept insisting the title of the channel changed

their ocd has been cured

[fathom marsh]

Wait…

Joel isn’t gonna die

Is he?

Uh oh

[slow nova]

The next episode is just a flashback, we don't know what happens to Joel yet. There might be a mix of flash back and present time but we'll see.

[fathom marsh]

Ohhh

That makes a lot more sense

[proper bloom]

Ngl dancing around in masks was funny af

Definitely not my favorite episode, but this was Bella’s shining episode so far imo

I wonder if they’re gonna continue to show us what happens

[exotic wadi]

fr the only thing travelling in season 2 is me away from the screen. im not touching or "rewarding" The Last Of Us part 2 with any more time in my life, at most i'll watch the first episode to gauge if its shit or tremendously shit then stop

i have a feeling this episode is going to be 60 minute flashback to ellie and random character we never met before who dies or leaves (permanently) by the end of the same episode that has essentially contributed nothing we dont already know from the "everyone else has left me" scene in episode 6

and if its based on left behind then it probably will be ass, wasnt a fan of that dlc, i cant even remember if i completely finished it or just gave up

oh its already out lmao, im watch it.

its called "left behind" fuck

[potent mauve]

I HOPE YOU ALL ENJOY THIS

This is my favourite episode this season!

[exotic wadi]

really? im 40 minutes in and i think its fucking pointless

just another love story that leads no where like episode 3

[oblique ferry]

"Nowhere like episode 3"

LOL

[potent mauve]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Left Behind is incredibly important to Ellie's storyline

and Episode 3 is important to Joel's storyline

[oblique ferry]

So many peeps have missed this point for episode 3, its insane

[exotic wadi]

not sure if ur mocking a spelling mistake or just my opinion but ok

[potent mauve]

episode 3 had a point dude

the game does the same thing, just in a different way

[exotic wadi]

ive argued this like like 7 times. im not gonna bother again. i didnt like episode 3

[oblique ferry]

There is a difference between liking or disliking the episode and arguing about it relevance

The episode can be disliked but you surely cannot dismiss its connection with Joel

[potent mauve]

it basically serves as why joel starts giving a shit about ellie

[oblique ferry]

Yep

[potent mauve]

He was basically nihilistic before

[oblique ferry]

The last scene in fact really establishes that lol

[exotic wadi]

its not even i didnt like it, it was a fine episode, but again i dont care to argue it. if u want to see what i think scroll up to the thousands of times ive said it

[torn dirge]

bro can't get that the character arcs of bill and frank reflect joel and ellie's arc

[potent mauve]

and episode 7 is important to ellie's development

her feelings of survivors guilt

her backstory

her person

[exotic wadi]

its not, this is more pointless than 3 because of last episodes "ive already been left before" argument scene

we already got the development of ellie being broken

[potent mauve]

lol ok

[oblique ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[exotic wadi]

and her and joel having the connection. literally no need for this episode, its just here to fill space and make the viewer sob

[potent mauve]

ITS AN ADAPTATION OF A PART OF THE FUCKING GAME

[torn dirge]

is trying to elicit an emotion from the audience not reason enough for something to exist

[exotic wadi]

it was DLC it wasnt even in the original base game

[torn dirge]

film and television is about more than just a plot advancing

[potent mauve]

YES AND ITS IMPORTANT TO ELLIE AS A CHARACTER

[exotic wadi]

we literally get the exact same character development in the base game without this

they needed 9 episodes so they made a flashback to cover 50 minutes of just ellie being sad joel was stabbed and then stitching him up. we already knew why ellie didnt want to lose him and we already knew what happened in her past

[oblique ferry]

It's such a sight to see when people dislike an episode that is focused more on the character and their growth rather than plot advancing, apparently then that is "filler"

[potent mauve]

wtf is the point of any of this then

in your eyes

[exotic wadi]

also i didnt need every little thing ellie knows about in the past episodes (such as knowing what mortal kombat is and the book) explained as to why

[torn dirge]

if all someone cares about is plot just read a wikipedia summary lmao

[potent mauve]

sorry for actually fleshing out characters

and making her seem like a person

[exotic wadi]

this doesnt flesh out shit other than go back in time throw a chunk down and go straight back to the present adding nothing to said present

its its own self contained story

thats cool, fine episode but for the story as a whole, literally pointless

[potent mauve]

lol ok

whatever

[exotic wadi]

"lol ok whatever". yeah okay dude 💀 ima go do something productive, or at least more productive than argue with someone whos only defence is caps lock and "whatever"

[torn dirge]

gonna post some quotes from my GOAT james cameron

[exotic wadi]

either have the convo saying what u think why u disagree or not etc (i.e a convocation) or dont waste mine (or someone elses) time

[oblique ferry]

That is so based

[torn dirge]

is this episode taking time to relax, slow down, spend some time with the beauty that is a young girl in love with her best friend not enough of a reason for this episode to exist

genuine question

[oblique ferry]

Anyways, 2 eps left now for season 1

[torn dirge]

because you have not responded to any of my comments about cinema being about more than plot

you can have more stuff than just moving from point A to point B

[exotic wadi]

as a self contained episode/story ignoring the show being about the last of us its good, its fine, not for me but its a nice story

as an episode of the last of us or just a larger plot as a whole its pointless to the story so far, just a detour

[potent mauve]

i meant doesnt help that you still miss the entire point of both 3 and 7 existing at all

so

🤷

sometimes it aint worth my time

[exotic wadi]

sorry i thought you where having your own little convo so i didnt read all your messages

my bad

[bright mango]

Episode 7 was incredible and perfect contrast to Episode 3's purpose

[proper bloom]

Pedro pascal week

https://tenor.com/view/mandalorian-the-mandalorian-mando-din-djarin-gif-24669048

[exotic wadi]

w tbh, excited for it

[proper bloom]

Same

Honestly I have to say if any episode is “fun” it is this one so far

The dancing in wolf mask was funny ngl

I haven’t played the game, do they show what happens to her friend

[potent mauve]

no

this is a very faithful adaptation of left behind

[dire island]

Loved episode 7, very important story for Ellie and why ||she doesn't want to lose Joel as another person close to her died ||

[severe vine]

The episode is probably in the lower half for me but that moment of ||just seeing both realise they both were bitten really hit||

[acoustic stream]

Bella Ramsey is a precious bean and must be protec!

[fathom marsh]

Wait…what’s wrong with TLOU 2?

[digital mauve]

destructive discourse that’s what

[fathom marsh]

I see

[oblique ferry]

No clue why TLOU 2 is so hated lol

Havent played the games

[digital mauve]

I might try it for myself but I have no idea

but if I get to it

I’m refusing to take anyone who backlashes the game seriously

a n y o n e

I’m not joining the dumb discourse club

I can tell ya that

I swear discourse hate over TLOU2 be like “my way or the high way”

[tame crag]

story wise it's terribly weak, infact tlou2 is a somewhat cool game (very cool)

but if you take out the gameplay part, what you're left with is another teen/post-apocalyptic drama/romance much like " The Bold and the Beatiful but we used some zombies to make it"

and i'm all in for the lesbian drama, it's just that compared to tlou there is exactly nothing inside

an empty shell full of drama, emotions made intense with a fake boost of emphasis and a whole lot of confusion on the identity of everything, which in turn leads to the story being a shallow imitation of many other stories

also i'm 30 years old so i can't join your stadium fan base stuff, i just enjoy things and sometime don't enjoy some stuff and that's my opinion, if others happen to share my view or not i honestly find it quiet funny lol

[long frigate]

Would it have been if it was shorter, about the same length as the original (Haven't seen it but know that it was long)?

[tame crag]

it HAD to be shorter

dragged along for the sole purpose to prolong the gameplay

(which is ok i mean, you pay a lot of bucks for this stuff, you want to play for more)

[long frigate]

atleast they didn't stuff an open world into it

[tame crag]

but looking at it UNIQUELY from a plot POV, it's... eewww... not something i'm interested in lol

[long frigate]

(looking at you halo)

[tame crag]

eeeehhh, they tried i guess lol

as a game it's very funny tho

i recommend trying it out if watching TLOU you thought "must be nice to play this stuff"

[long frigate]

Nah, I'm pretty sure the game stops the story for some gameplay parts, like just killing zombies and stuff

However Metro 2033 is a great goddamn game

[tame crag]

well in tlou it kinda happens, but not even so much

[long frigate]

It also packs a pretty big punch

[tame crag]

if you search on youtube "tlou movie version" there is a 6hour or so long video that has all the cutscenes and some gameplay parts

as they're integral for the story

in tlou2 it almost never happens

because the story is a shitfest of chronological disorder lol

[tame crag]

too scary >_> i liked it, but i was too scared playing it

the jumpscares are the worst kind of scare for me

and holy fuck is metro 2033 full of them lol

[long frigate]

The library mission almost killed me

[tame crag]

i remember i stopped the moment i entered a tunnel and i was already like "well fuck this, i'm turning it off if it jumpscares me"

and after opening a door one of those spider-like things jumped on me

[long frigate]

Also, the unique "Soviet" vibes it gives off is amazing

[tame crag]

and i literally panicked

too bad 'cause the atmosphere is something else

i prefer stalker

atmosphere is almost on par, but way less jumpscares

[long frigate]

I haven't played it but I feel TLOU2 could be a case of the Jurassic Park syndrome

[tame crag]

stalker would be adapted quite well to a series i guess

[long frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jurassic-park-jurassic-scientist-your-scientists-gif-11921883

[tame crag]

(as metro could i mean)

naaaah, if you ask me

they got the TWD syndrome

drama inserted for the sake of it

especially the ending is baffling bad if you ask me, but those are opinions and part of why i can't tolerate tlou2 writing lol

[nova dirge]

Just finished the latest episode. Loved it. Dear god my heart.

[potent mauve]

The story is divisive

[dense coral]

Just like in Mandalorian, he was barely in this weeks episode

[slow nova]

Really liked this episode, thought it had the best photography/lighting/colours out of all the episodes. Story was translated well and it's as heartbreaking as it was in the game with some small tweaks.

Also for some reason I always thought that in the game || Riley was Marlene's daughter || but I went back to a wiki and checked it out and turns out I was actually wrong.

[proper bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

[umbral sedge]

I didn’t think this episode was best of the season but it was good. It is similar to episode 3 where we get more of a connection to the world and the characters in it. I just think episode 3 did it much better without even really having the two main characters

This was good though. Honestly my only big complaint was I felt like Storm Reid’s performance was just fine. I just expected more from her cause she’s great in everything I’ve seen her in

[slow nova]

What I really liked from this episode, in comparison to 3, was that this flashback knowledge we got from ||Ellie's past directly influences the present, Ellie remembers Riley and how they didn't let go till the very end, and she wouldn't to that to Joel even though she told her to.||

[umbral sedge]

For sure. || once we see Ellie open the door to the basement to go look for medical supplies. I think it was clear that we see on her face that she is remembering something and it’s probably Riley. Like we are watching her memories. And that was all because she was comparing Joel to the last person she loved dying ||

[digital mauve]

great ep and it is a great counterpart to ep 3 but i hope they dont get too comfortable with flashbacks

2 eps about the past is good imo

[dense coral]

likely, it's only 2 episodes left in the season

[digital mauve]

i was thinking more for season 2

although i think im confident enough to let the writers do what they want

they havent let me down yet

@potent mauve when does this season end?

[oblique ferry]

Well, in two weeks

2 eps are left now

[digital mauve]

this is my chance to officially join this club of praising this series lol

before this chat closes

damn next 2 episodes are gonna be so good

[potent mauve]

2 weeks, the season ends the same day as the Oscar’s

[potent marten]

I hadn't noticed that lol

[digital mauve]

which gives me enough time to play through a chunk of the game and watch the first episode

the game is getting released on pc at the end of march

[potent marten]

yepp

wasn't it March 3rd?

[digital mauve]

they postponed it

[potent marten]

oh why

[digital mauve]

no clue

[low current]

good episode

[potent marten]

sadge

[torn dirge]

This show loves making me cry in the club

[acoustic stream]

I LOVE Malls!!!

all the malls

and escalators are for fun times and discoveries

[dapper plank]

The actress who plays Riley did a great job

[digital mauve]

Crying! In the Bathroom

[uncut linden]

28 minutes in

[uncut linden]

I knew what was coming the whole episode just made it sadder

[zenith lichen]

Emmys might need to have a separate category for The Last of Us

Every character is so damn good

[zenith lichen]

It's a very very loud extreme minority

That dislike the game

[supple plinth]

Casimir Pulaski Day by Sufjan Stevens reference?

[digital mauve]

yes.

[supple plinth]

wait you like Sufjan??

[digital mauve]

i have no idea who that is im sorry 😭

[potent mauve]

He’s the dude who did the song from call me by your name

[supple plinth]

wait he did? i had no clue lmao

now i'm kinda sad cause his stuff is amazing

[trim magnet]

Episode was fine, but I'm a little disappointed by the logic of the Fedra/society structures that the story has built. Finding it tough to buy into the Boston area. I enjoy the story more when we're out in the middle of nowhere and a broken down society/clusters of gangs makes more sense. I figure it's a little different in the game from what I've heard about the use of Fedra there vs. the show.

[winged gorge]

You should play it

It’s pretty damn good

[potent mauve]

fun fact, most of this is CGI LMAO

i know the mall they filmed it at and it does not have a second floor really

[dense coral]

Yup, they said it on the podcast

This shot was made on soundstage in front of blue wall 😄

[slow nova]

When time comes for Season 2 you will prey for more flashbacks.

[slow nova]

Druckmann talks about it in the podcast, the logistics of adding the second floor so it's closer to the game, and how they were bugging him and asking him if it's worth it. For once I agree with him and I think it was a good choice, makes it feel larger, and as in they have more stores to explore, like a kid in a candy store.

[potent mauve]

Yea

The mall they filmed it in is basically shut down now

And I think it was already mostly shut when they filmed

It was probably logically the easiest mall to film at in the city

There’s another mall that I think would’ve worked better but it never would’ve worked bc filming there would’ve been impossible

[dense coral]

That's why they shot there- it's supposed to get demolitioned

So they could tear anything theywanted inside

[uncut linden]

I loved episode 7.

[muted sable]

Good ass episode

Love the way they stopped to put the story of left behind in at this point in the story adding so much more weight to the situation Joel and Ellie are in now

[uncut linden]

Agreed

[muted sable]

Next week’s episode is likely going to be one of the most intense if it’s what I think it is from the game

[uncut linden]

Yeah im so scared

[muted sable]

And im not going to talk about game plot here because I feel like a lot more people are watching this show that haven’t played the game

It’s funny and cool to me that an IP that’s existed for a decade is getting a whole new kind of social media exposure just because it’s got a show that appeals to the masses

[dapper plank]

I think that’s probably why many aren’t as impressed with the show as the game, it’s already an old story at this point

The infected and bad guys take a huge step back in the interest of exploring unnecessary characters

[tame crag]

very gooood episode, very good, loved it

definitely took somewhere around 2 or 3rd place for me in the episode ranking, very good

i liked the direction in this one, pinpointing the sense of tension inside an abandoned mall in a zombie apocalypse world

although why is it that after the kiss in every apocalyptic movie there is someone dying

holy fuck

[digital mauve]

because happiness isn't allowed in the apocalypse

[tame crag]

jesus christ, that's brutal lol

[torn dirge]

the closest thing to a happy ending anyone gets in this show involves a double suicide

[tame crag]

*at old age

i mean, that's very happy if you ask me, instead of dying without medical help

and at this point i may suggest that this will be the only happy ending

although i want to know

what happens to riley?

i mean, does ellie kill her? leave her in the mall? what?

i dont remember if they show it in the game

also they basically cut all of riley story out, so i wouldn't know lol

[potent marten]

I think Ellie might've killed Riley when she turned, because Ellie said to Joel that when she shot that guy that wasn't the first time she (almost) killed someone

But idk

[tame crag]

mmmh true that

that's actually the only mention about it tho

[potent marten]

True, if it is even referencing to that

[tame crag]

still i think that would be important for the plot of the series lol, given her reaction trying to save a child

i dont mind that much, but i've found quite funny how they thought "man, how are we gonna dispose of an infected riley"

and everyone mumbles for days until someone says "man, timelapse"

and gets applauded by everyone

[tame crag]

yeah looking at the homophobic stuff on episode 7, let me change my mind on season 2

i can't wait for season 2 i want a real-time hotline calling me everytime someone dies of heartattack from the scenes

[night sandal]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoQhkMYh6Pd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

[proper bloom]

Yeah

[potent mauve]

its left ambiguous on purpose

[tame crag]

Tlou 3: riley boss fight confirmed

Rat queen

[sonic badge]

Somehow, Riley returned

[potent marten]

True

[opal cloak]

This episode was amazing. It was nice we got to learn more about Ellie. Storm Reid was a nice surprise in the show. She did amazing as her character Riley in my opinion

[dire island]

Totally

[vocal holly]

Some people thought it was really boring but I enjoyed it even for the small action we got but it was cool seeing briefly Ellie's back story.

[dire island]

I don't think it was boring at all

[tight moat]

So is it 9 or 10 episodes in total?

[tight moat]

I interpreted it that way as well

[potent marten]

I think 9

[tight moat]

Damn, i've seen some sources claim 9, others 10, but most seem to agree on 9

Was hoping we get one more episode

[potent marten]

And they might start filming s2 soon according to Pedro?

[tight moat]

||the game leaves it ambigous as well, kind of ends the same way as in the episode||

[tight moat]

Really? Thats neat

So we get season 2 in about a year or something like that

[potent marten]

I think so

[tame crag]

yeah as i said, someone got applauded and promoted for suggesting "timelapse" as solution lol

[potent marten]

Omg I love that hahaha

[red agate]

Fedra is one of the best factions

The firefly’s are terrorists who cling to the ideas of prepoc America and ignorant of the reality’s of the wasteland.

The actions of fedra are not some evil supervillain I want to rule the world type crap, it’s the harsh nessesities required to keep the population of the Boston QZ safe

[digital mauve]

theyre fascists lmao

[uncut linden]

I like Tommy's group
The commies

[tame crag]

dunno, i'd be glad to shot them dead and use this moment to build a non-fascist country

[tame crag]

actually, and that's probs a spoiler, even for the spoiler people, || pascal and ramsey are already credited for the first episode of S2, implying it may have been already shot ||

[supple plinth]

they are facists, but they do keep order somewhat well. though kc fedra kinda shows how easy it is for them to lose a sense of reason.

[tight moat]

Interesting. I wonder ||how many episodes will Pedro be in next season||

[tame crag]

as every fascist, dictatorial and totalitarian state, exercising power on the people may prove good for maintaining orders, but will also exacerbate any insurrectional emotion, leading to the creation of terrorists, so well... yeah, classic fascism, as an italian i can assure you it doesn't work well lol

[tame crag]

i'd say no more than 2, but who knows?

[tight moat]

||i think he gets killed at the end of the second episode and then we get a few flashbacks with him later on||

[tame crag]

yeh, same

[slow nova]

https://theplaylist.net/the-last-of-us-actor-jeffrey-pierce-says-mahershala-ali-was-once-considered-for-the-role-of-joel-on-the-hbo-show-20230303/

[slow nova]

I think they'll start shooting at the end of this year.

Although they may have shot a couple of scenes and add them as teasers to the finale, but I highly doubt it.

I think the finale will be modified in comparison to the game. The question is how much?

[tame crag]

i hope a lot, makes zero sense as it is lol

[slow nova]

I'm talking about the first season and game.

[tame crag]

oh, well, i don't think they'll do, but they may do some sort of bridge

so they'll probably insert some stuff early

[slow nova]

Season 2 will be an almost intact adaptation to the game plot wise. lol

[potent marten]

Same

[tame crag]

yeah second seasons of tv series tend to be trash 😄

[digital mauve]

id keep the order well with the indomitable human spirit

[dapper plank]

if there’s anything that should be changed, it’s you know who dying in part 2

At this point there are willing to take liberties so why re-do something most hated

[dense coral]

because that would basically rewrote the whole story?

[sterile coral]

https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/beyond-daddy-other-social-roles-id-like-pedro-pascal-to-fill

[boreal gazelle]

What's bad about the fireflies is they literally do everything that Fedra does, they are just upset that Fedra did what they did to them.

[tepid dragon]

Just started watching the show and ||no matter how many times i watch it in the video game or tv show seeing Sarah die always makes me cry ||

[tame crag]

Yep, very intense

I agree, it was tough, and I think a lot tougher than in the game, but maybe it's just me

[tame crag]

Well nothing that follows that would make sense then, and as much as it doesn't make sense even as it is, it would make even LESS sense lol

[tight moat]

S2 gonna be as divisive as the second game lmao

[zenith lichen]

Does anyone remember if the gay stuff from the first game had any backlash when it first came out? There's was a lot of it when the second game came out and a lot with the TV show but I really don't recall any at all when the game came out

[potent nacelle]

Most likely, people are homophobic not from today. What is from today is their easy access to a platform that allows them to clump together, reasoning their homophobia in their minds and hyping each other up like suckling leeches. Though we know that none of it lasts, if the product is quality then the product is quality, and that is all people ever remember.

It is a sad situation, that people use the fact that it's poorly done as justification to any stupid beliefs they may have. And then you can't really criticize it without being seen as part of that one group. I really don't like the story telling in the sequel, but I also rarely discuss it anymore when it's brought up with the exception of this chat a few times, because that is simply the direction it goes or it ends up attracting people of said group indeed

[zenith lichen]

I love talking about media with people that have opposite opinions as me, which is why I enjoy talking about part 2 so much because I absolutely love it. While there are genuine criticisms people can make and it's perfectly fine to not like the game, so often I see arguments coming from people that either didn't even touch the game or completely seem to misunderstand every aspect of the game and argue in bad faith. I hate seeing those things because it ruins discussion of media in general so I feel the need to call it out but it really doesn't matter unfortunately.

[slow nova]

In the game it was super shocking, cause you see a girl on the cover and you play as one that looks like her, you kinda expect that it's the same girl and that you'll be playing as her as well as Joel, and then she gets killed off and you're shocked. If you're going completely blind into the game that is like the people that played it in its original release.

[zenith lichen]

I was a day 1 player for TLOU and yeah it was a real jaw drop moment. it really set the tone early on. A very memorable opening for the game

[lament lava]

This is a seriously deranged take lol https://mobile.twitter.com/TheElusiveEye1/status/1629287757469155328

Randy M.@theElusiveEye (@TheElusiveEye1)

Watching YMS's Lion King remake video made me realize HBO's Last of Us is the same kind of bad reimagining. The bad casting, skewed characterization, scattershot music choices, and needless changes that degrade the story are all disturbingly similar.

Twitter · Feb 25, 2023, 1:10 AM

[supple plinth]

that person is mentally unhealthly for thinking that

[digital mauve]

He clearly doesn’t know the difference between remake vs adaptation

[tame crag]

Probs the furious criticism this time is here due to the easier access and wider audience of a tv series on HBO as opposed to a whole videogame. Also I hate to put it like this but... Nowadays everything is a fucking stupid excuse to show off how a terrible person you are

And peeps didn't fail us on this aswell

[tame crag]

Very easy example I'd say...

[vocal holly]

This has to be a joke right?

[sterile coral]

It is

[lament lava]

They’re a satire twitter, they mimicked DiscussingFilm’s name and pfp to make lame memes

It’s basically if someone who really liked the meme back in the day when every other day it seemed like a new Spider-Man Homecoming casting was announced just wanted to keep doing that

[left geyser]

if thats IMDB dont use that as a source, its very unreliable (anyone can edit)

also as a matter of standard practice they slap every series regular on the first episode of a season once its announced as a placeholder

[low current]

Man they really nailed David because holy fuck did he fucking piss me off and scare me

[potent mauve]

David’s favourite movie of 2022 is bones and all

[nova dirge]

Watching the episode now-screw you David!

[torn dirge]

they lied

[dire island]

Another great episode, ya ||I know no way Joel heals with just two shots of penicillin and that too given at the wound site and not the veins.. I guess with antibiotics being so scarce in this world, it works super well but I'm willing to let it go||

||Ellie is tough, she killed a bunch of people this episode and with regards to David's secret when the focus was put on food at the beginning I knew||

[muted sable]

Fuck I can’t wait to watch

[digital mauve]

if you still dont think that they cast ellie perfectly after this episode, you are just ignorant

i am now convinced that they can handle playing ellie from tlou2

i was before

but now i REALLY am

[dire island]

I agree

[nova dirge]

Anytime he says anything: https://i.redd.it/srqcbn790ci31.jpg

[proper bloom]

Insane episode

Whoever the preacher was, I swear he looks familiar

I’ve seen him in something and I can’t remember

[potent mauve]

ALSO FOR EVERYONE WHO PLAYED THE GAME

Yes that was troy baker

[nova dirge]

I'm surprised Nolan North hasn't made an appearance

[proper bloom]

Im sorry but when he slide down the wall with the butcher knife in his neck it made me laugh

Idk why

It sounds wrong

[fathom marsh]

Wow

Most disturbing episode yet

Wtf

Obviously Ellie killing the cannibal rapist guy was good, but the way she did it was so disturbing

But how did Joel recover so fast

It was kinda silly

[night sandal]

that episode was so scary

but joel calling ellie baby girl omg 😭😭😭

[muted sable]

Watching rn

About halfway in and at this point I would be genuinely surprised to see people doubting Bella Ramsey as Ellie

Personally I’ve loved her the whole show but this episode requires more from her and she’s delivering

[sterile coral]

I don't get why some people were cheering when Joel tortured those guys, it just completely disturbed me

[night sandal]

facts i loved them so much in this episode

[torn dirge]

https://twitter.com/up2anth/status/1632576535894052864?t=FPTj_HLqqMlngiN2-Fgjrw&s=19

anth (@up2anth)

where was this scene in the new last of us episode.

Likes

936

▶ Play video

Twitter · Mar 6, 2023, 2:59 AM

[exotic wadi]

holy shit this episode was brutal and i love it

thats the scariest episode yet too

11/10

8 > 6 > 5=4 > 1 > 2 > 3 > 7

[exotic wadi]

i think her acting is cancelling out the fact she looks absolutely nothing like ellie for me so im just okay with her casting rn but i love the show

[muted sable]

Personally I don’t really care if the actor matches the character from the game if they play the role well and make me believe they are the person they’re supposed to be that’s all that matters

[tame crag]

other sources confirm second season shootings start this year, so they may have been credited for some "crumbles" for second season

pretty common in tv series direction or multi-episode stuff to film crumbles and flashbacks way ahead of the actual shooting

'cause of hair, scenography and all that stuff

(and i mean, tlou scenography must be costly lol)

[digital mauve]

just finished rewatching it yet it stills brutally broke me

[night sandal]

the fact that the scariest episode yet is scary because of humans and not because of the infected is a really great twist

[slow nova]

Great episode!! My only problem is Joel in the show never said ||"baby girl" to Sarah in the premiere, so I was perplexed when they used it in the end, because if you're not a fan of the game you don't exactly get it that it's the same thing he called his daughter. You get the father-daughter bonding for sure, but there's something lacking to show that he sees her exactly like a daughter.||

[zenith socket]

My parents were huge fans of this episode, with my mom explicitly saying she was more scared of the people than the infected.

It was especially quite fun to see their reaction when the truth of what the people actually ate was revealed. As soon as they saw the ear and the tray of food David provided, my shocked mom turned to me and said “that WASN’T deer they ate!”

[night sandal]

i didn’t play the game so i didn’t know that baby girl is what he called his daughter BUT as i was watching the episode it was still very clear to me in that moment that he really sees ellie as a daughter

[tame crag]

i agree, it was kinda weird to use baby girl now but not then

the episode was interesting, i kinda feel like the game does this part of the story more justice, somehow david felt too "good" here

(obviously until the end lol)

i still call immense bs on joel recovery times, but that's a problem of the game aswell lol

[dense coral]

I love those little moments when reddit discussion turns into advices on preparing human meat.

[tame crag]

everything is so doomed in this episode tho, you really feel how doomed humans are with the collapse of society lol, episode 2 still feels the weakest to me, followed perhaps by 4 solely from a lore wise point, i still like 3, 7 and 4 the most for the direction and the photography, along with 5

[tame crag]

as a vegetarian that has been veg for the past 16 years talking how animal meat is prepared horrifies me as much as talking about cooking human meat, so this must be a nice change of pace for carnivorous people lol

[dense coral]

oh i'm all for eating the dead in post-apo. You gotta do what you gotta do in the shittiest situation. But i draw the line on hunting people for dinner.

[tame crag]

yeah infact the "shock" factor is all lost in this situation lol

like, i get what ellie means when she says "better let them die" but honestly, these are very stupid ideas to embrace in a post-apo situation where you're freezing and dying

although, if you ask me, that's not how you survive a zombie apocalypse and thrive, like they're isolated, who will supply them medicines and stuff, they're clearly raiding people just like bandits and scavenging cities while being hyper aggressive, so well, luck runs out at some point

i still find highly unlikely that these outposts, even when ZQs fail, do not have some sort of "scout" group trying to reach other cities and people if they're ready to go scavenge cities and stuff, but maybe it's just my The Last Stand survival organizational spirit kicking in lol

[torn dirge]

yeah non-game player here but it was still pretty clear to me he sees ellie as a daughter, between his reaction and calling her babygirl, and also his broken watch sarah gave him being very prominent in the shot where he hugged her

[night sandal]

exactly

[dense coral]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Mg-P8Jpss

[fathom marsh]

People just don’t like that she doesn’t look exactly like Elliot page

[south cosmos]

Omg

Episode 8 had 0 flaws

Pedro was just 10/10 and Bella

[night sandal]

bella uses they them pronouns i think

[fathom marsh]

Lol, I think it had the most flaws, still an A+ episode though

[opal cloak]

The new episode was brutal and so good. It creeped me out so much haha

[fathom marsh]

It’s just silly that Joel got better that fast

But yeah

Super freaking disturbing episode

[fathom marsh]

This was the first episode that actually felt like “horror”

[torn dirge]

Probably running on pure adrenaline when he realized Ellie was in danger

[dapper plank]

where the fucking infected!

Don’t even need a bloater just give me a few stalkers or runners

[finite canyon]

shuld i watch the last of us walkthrough episode 15 or should i wait to watch the episode first?

[torn dirge]

The show is called the last of us, not the infected

It's about the people

[dapper plank]

Bro

You obviously didn’t listen to what I just said

It doesn’t need to have infected everywhere, but multiple episodes where they don’t appear at all in a world full of them is stupid

especially when you played the game

[trim magnet]

If I'm with people I love who are starving and I die, I would want them to use my body as food if it helps them survive if it's come to that. I didn't realize that was such a hot take.

[potent mauve]

I feel like the show is about more than just the infected

[exotic wadi]

To be fair its a zombie show and i think there has been not alot of zombies for a zombie show

[tame crag]

In the game it's even less believable lol

[tame crag]

Videogames are very rarely adaptable to tv series because they're a weaker medium for certain things. The adrenaline you miss is because they're focusing on what stuck the most out of tlou: humans being scarier and crazier than fungus infected things

You pass 50% of the time killing non-infected people in tlou, and that's something, plus the series already showed infected for like half of the series, with them killing tess, wiping a town, destroying relationships and stuff

It's just that it's put in a more believable way, less "shoot all the time" manner, and that's the only way you can make a great series out of a very illogic videogame where peeps recover from fatal wounds without proper care in a pinch, or can be missed almost point blank by someone shooting

It's like lamenting that on Arcane they don't kill a lot of minions and don't buy stuff from vendors 😂

[oblique ferry]

Stopped TLOU for a few weeks but got back into watching it today

Saw ep 6 which was awesome

[limber geyser]

Episode 8 of TLOU has to be hands down one of the most well written episodes I've watched in so long

And while in the game this section has a lot of setpieces, I love that this episode is about faith which just like love can be beautiful, but also bring out terrible things from people expanding from the problem of the power of love conquers all that Druckmann and Mazin are exploring with this adaptation

This whole episode is just Emmy gold imho

It's fascinating how faith is explored via David and his community and Ellie's attempts at saving Joel

I love to discuss this with people

[night sandal]

if you like the theme of faith and people’s different approach/interpretation of it in tv shows, i recommend watching Midnight Mass if you haven’t already!

[fathom marsh]

It makes sense honestly

Just cause he’s a cannibal in this post apocalyptic world doesn’t necessarily make him a bad person

I mean, he obviously is a bad person

But you know, he has a whole community to feed and he’s doing a last resort

Also, WTF I did NOT realize that the little girl was eating her dad!

That’s just MESSED UP

[limber geyser]

Thank you! I have seen Midnight Mass and it's a beautiful yet so wonderfully well done examination of religion and horror

[limber geyser]

||I had an inkling and suspected why in the beginning David told Hannah that they couldn't bury him due to the snow and would have to wait in the spring when in reality, he just wanted to earn Hannah's trust to be her new "father".||

Notice how in the scene ||he use Father, like as in God the Heavenly Father and is using it a manner to refer to him too, in a patriarchal sense||

||David a master manipulator and gaslighter in every step throughout this scene and it's chilling to watch as there's people like him in our world who uses religion as a outlet for power to control others than preach the good book. He's also riling up a community to hunt and kill Ellie||

Sends chills down to my spine as I'm writing this

[tame crag]

not much 'cause they have a lot of issues finding any source of food

makes a lot more sense to use what they have than waste it in the soil

so either they die, or just give up a nonsensical culture

either way, peeps are dead lol

[fathom marsh]

Exactly

[fathom marsh]

It’s just messed up that it’s even a possibility in this world

[tame crag]

well i mean, if you were to go into very cold places you would find a lot of things you would think as "messed up", while that is a very subjective idea

for us italians is "messed up" to not have a bidet, i mean lol

and vegetarians find "messed up" to eat animals, so i think that the shock factor goes to shit when you consider that is literally the only way you can survive once you start roaming into wild territories

it was a very terrible idea to go that north tbh

i understand they were pushed by bandits, but well...

also props to bill for "no one can survive alone", i literally flashed how bill was living alone before frank loool

and i thought "yeah man, that's possible, trust me"

[limber geyser]

This maybe stretching it but I had a pretty messed up and interesting interpretation of the dinner scene
||You know how Eucharist is important in Christian faith, I thought how having Hannah eating her father's chopped remains, David is making her accept him as a new father but in the most twisted way possible||

[tame crag]

those are all wild and interesting guesses, but you all forget that david clearly says "some of them know, most don't" when bella tells david they eat humans... so basically, what most people are doing, is eating without knowing it's human meat

this is also exacerbated by the fact that the kid's mother, who's helping in the kitchen, asks what meat is the one provided for dinner and the other guy answers "deer"... and she's like not very convinced, but goes anyway, so they like are willingfully ignoring it's human meat

[limber geyser]

That's why I say stretching on my part because I love analyzing how faith being used by people like David in a post apocalyptic setting

[tame crag]

if you ask me, and that's my opinion on the game section as well

david is a fucker who uses religion to manipulate peeps, without even a HINT of faith or whatever

[limber geyser]

Exactly

[tame crag]

the || rape scene || is so horrifying 'cause you literally see this blatantly

it's not covert anymore, it's literally "i love doing this because i'm a fucking scumbag"

[limber geyser]

I've played the game too but I like how the scripture chosen is from Revelations

[tame crag]

i still feel david was too "good" in the series... like, you almost think he KINDA has faith

but that's clearly not the case, he's just a manipulator