#How do I do this?

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dense topaz
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dense topaz
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I don't know where to start, anyone got any ideas?

simple plume
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what is the equation of the quadratic?

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also how do you know where A and B are on the parabola?

dense topaz
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that information is not given in the question

simple plume
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what that means is you can assume it

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because if they don't give you that info that means it doesn't matter

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so let's say the quadratic is just plain ol' y=x^2

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actually y=4x^2 so that the "p" value is 1

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the directrix will be y=-1

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I mean 1/4*x^2

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A and B are (2,1) and (-2,1) respectively

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F is (0,1) A1 and B1 will be (2,-1) and (-2,-1) respectively

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here is what it looks like

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look at this diagram and you will notice that the slope of lines going from F to A1 and F to B1 have a slope of -1 and 1 respectively. Since they are opposite signs and recirpicol (1/1 = 1) they are perpendicular

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now are you sure that the problem gave no other information about the equation of the parabola or where A and B are

dense topaz
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yea the problem did not give any other information

simple plume
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because if they didn't, that means that no matter the equation of the parabola and where you choose A and B to be on that parabola - it will always be 90 degrees

dense topaz
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the angle is 90 for this case but how do we prove it for all the other cases

simple plume
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did the problem ask to prove for all cases?

dense topaz
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my teacher is going to yell at me

simple plume
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so your teacher wants a general case?

dense topaz
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yes he's gonna ask me how do i know this is for every case

simple plume
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well the thing is, the problem kinda implies it works for every case

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maybe the problem is asking to find the angle in terms of a, b and c and A and B where the equation of the parabola is ax^2+bx+c and A and B are the x coordinates of the points?

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but then it shouldn't say "find the measure" it should say "solve for" or something like that

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"find the measure" implies there is a numerical answer

dense topaz
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yea i entered in 90 it says it is correct

simple plume
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so do you still want to prove it?

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cause that'd be a lot harder to prove it works for all parabolas

dense topaz
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yes my teacher is going to say that its not sufficent to consider this one case

simple plume
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is this for an online quiz thing?

dense topaz
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no its homework we go over it in class today

simple plume
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so how do you know you were correct

dense topaz
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he asks us to enter the answer online

simple plume
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I think it will be easier to start from vertex form (x-h)^2+k

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for the general proof

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what level of math are you currently taking?

dense topaz
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this is homework on conic sections - parabolas

simple plume
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wait it doesn't even work

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well the best way to find an angle between 2 lines is something called a "vector dot product"

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do you know what that is

dense topaz
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no he is going to yell at me if i do that

simple plume
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is this diagram accurate?

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bc clearly A1 F B1 is not 90 degrees

dense topaz
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AB needs to go through the focus

simple plume
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hold on let me double check that is actually the focus

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oh yea right

dense topaz
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oh i proved it

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i just proved that B1F and A1F are perpendicular bisectors

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so 2 * <1 + 2 * <2 = 180 => <1 + <2 = 90

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cuz by parabola definition BF = B1F so it is a isoceles triangle B1BF and similarly for A1AF

simple plume
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finally - for some reason I got confused about how to find focal length

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using a

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im anaylzing your proof

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ok thats a horrible diagram - those sides do not look equal length

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but i understand it

dense topaz
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actually instead of doing all that <BB1F = <OFB1 = <1 directly since they are alternate angles

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O is the midpoint of A1B1

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