#Determining Outcomes for Unions, Intersections, etc - Need help

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quartz peak
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I'm currently working on this problem but I've been struggling on this for a while now. I'm very confused with some of the wording, and what exactly it's asking me for. I understand (c) but understanding (a) or (b) is throwing me in for a loop.

leaden domeBOT
graceful karma
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Event A and event B are both sets of numbers

quartz peak
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So would that be {5} then?

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Since it's just looking for Event A & B no?

graceful karma
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for question a?

quartz peak
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yeah

graceful karma
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yeah that's correct

quartz peak
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and then for (b) am I correct in doing 1,3,5? Since it's telling me it is in events a or b?

near holly
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Yes thats correct

quartz peak
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I should note that it's the topic that im having trouble with not just the problem

near holly
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For problems like thus

quartz peak
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Okay nope it said I'm wrong lol

near holly
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Did u type it in the way they asked

arctic kelp
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1,3,4,5,6 because its also all numbers greater than 3

quartz peak
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Ohh okay

near holly
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Omg

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Mb

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I read it wrong

quartz peak
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they always praying for my downfall sadge

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You're fine btw it's no biggie

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Okay. Much better this time. I think what was getting me confused was which numbers to put in, sometimes it is just simple reading that screws me over

near holly
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Yeah first step is to understand what numbers are in each set

quartz peak
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So for this one right, I'm confused with a and b because it feels like i'm getting two of the same answers

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I know my event X is: A,B,C,D cause they come before E. I know my event Y is: A,C,E,F because the letters selected is found in FACE.

arctic kelp
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so X and Y means the set which containts elements which are found in BOTH X and Y

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X or Y means the set which contains elements found in EITHER X or Y or both

quartz peak
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So (a) would be {A,C} instead of what I have currently because they want what's found in BOTH X and Y

arctic kelp
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Yea

quartz peak
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And (b) would be {A,C,E,F} because they want the elements that's found in EITHER set

arctic kelp
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ACEF is the set Y but you also want to include elements in X

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basically you take all the elements from both sets and combine them

quartz peak
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Ah, okay

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So it's not just ACEF, It's ABCDEF

arctic kelp
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Right

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Also for the last one, the complement includes all the elements not in the set

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to define the complement you need a universal set which all the other sets are contained in, in this case its the letters ABCDEFG

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so all the letters that are in the universal set ABCDEFG but NOT in X are in the complement of X

quartz peak
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So something that tends to get me is that anytime I'll do the (c) part (cause it's all the same across this specific topic) why do I still include the first letter? It's weird to say this.

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So take (c) right? It's asking for the complement of X. I put F,G but it was wrong and the correct answer was EFG. Why does it want me to put EFG instead of just FG if it's just asking for the complement

arctic kelp
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Because EFG are all the letters that are NOT in X

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The complement of Y would be BDG because those letters are not in Y

quartz peak
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Okay, I think I understand it a bit more now

arctic kelp
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For 'and' and 'or' of two sets, you only refer to the sets themselves but the complement also refers to the universal set which is important to remember

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so if instead of only the first seven letters, the universal set was the whole alphabet, the complement of X would be all the letters starting from E, but the set "X and Y" would be the same

quartz peak
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nevermind I'm still not getting it i guess i've been stuck on this for way too long

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i thought i had it and i just lost it