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hazy obsidian
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Determine all $P \in \mathbb{R}[x]$ such that [ P(x)^2 + P(y)^2 + P(x+y)^2 = 2P(x^2+xy+y^2) ]

boreal girderBOT
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Copter

hazy obsidian
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i only got P is monic ;-;

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rotund sphinx
boreal girderBOT
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Civil Service Pigeon

hazy obsidian
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i think i got it

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just left is to check

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zealous radish
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Between two rational numbers there's at least one irrational number

zealous radish
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And between two irrationals theres at least one rational

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But it makes no sense to say they alternate

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In fact "the next real number" is a nonsense phrase

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I don't like it

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Help

dense mason
zealous radish
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Oh yea dorry

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Sorry

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I meant rational

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dense mason
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Well the real set is dense

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"Exist an infinite number", sounds odd

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fleet flare
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By "few terms" what does it mean?

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fleet flare
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well yea but in what context

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like aren't we adding 10 terms regardless?

sonic wyvern
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no, the sum is then rewritten as another distinct sum of square roots.

fallow fractal
sonic wyvern
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this new sum is the one whose term count is minimized.

fleet flare
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so like, i can have 3 = 1+1+1 or 2+1 for example

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so the second one is less terms

sonic wyvern
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correct.

fleet flare
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but cant it just be the answer then

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like, if its 10. then can it just be 10?

sonic wyvern
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what do you mean?

fleet flare
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why does it rewrite the question as sqrt{a}+...? is it not the same as "the square roots of the integers from 1 to 10 are added together" not the same thing

sonic wyvern
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no.

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you can think of the first sum as the sq. roots of each integer from 1 to 10.
then someone tells you that they found another way to write the sum (as in, the final result) such that they are equal.

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so instead of summing the square roots of 1 to 10, perhaps this person could achieve the sum in, say, 5 terms. or 7 terms. whichever it is, choose the new sum with the least number of terms.

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then find out what integers were used in the square roots of this new sum.

fleet flare
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mhm

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sonic wyvern
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this is all the question is asking you to do.

fleet flare
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would this be a correct "rewriting of the question"

sonic wyvern
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close but not quite.

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I mean you have the correct idea, sure. nothing you wrote there is wrong according to the question.

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but you're missing the fewest-terms condition.

fleet flare
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yea i forgot to add that in b4 taking picture

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realised after i had sent it

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i assume,

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we can simplify the original statement, to get 1+2+3+sqrt{2}+sqrt{3}+...+sqrt{10}

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so, 6+...

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and 6 can be written as sqrt{36}

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so that gets rid of at least 3 terms

sonic wyvern
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2 terms, not 3 (because you're reintroducing a sqrt(36) that was never there).

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but that's one of the simplifications, yes.

fleet flare
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ah true

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hmm, but how to simplify all the radicals

sonic wyvern
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there is only one more radical to simplify.

fleet flare
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sqrt8

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right?

sonic wyvern
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keep going.

fleet flare
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=> 2sqrt2

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then combine with other sqrt2, so 3sqrt2

sonic wyvern
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right. keep going.

fleet flare
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$(\sqrt{3})^2 (\sqrt{2}) \implies$ something

boreal girderBOT
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・゚✧ 𝓀ℬ ✧゚・

fleet flare
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lowk dont remember my radical rules

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do they just multiply?

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so, sqrt{3*2} ==> sqrt{6}?

sonic wyvern
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yes, but you forgot the square on the 3.

fleet flare
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hmm?

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oh yea, how does that distribute over

sonic wyvern
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well, how would you rewrite 3 as a square root?

fleet flare
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sqrt(3^2)

sonic wyvern
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proceed.

fleet flare
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so is there anything else we can simplify?

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bc i honestly do not know

sonic wyvern
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do you think there's anything else?

fleet flare
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maybe sqrt10

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but idk

sonic wyvern
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try it.

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always good to try it first.

fleet flare
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10 = sqrt(2^2) * 5

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so, $\sqrt(10) = \sqrt{\sqrt{2^2}*5}$

boreal girderBOT
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・゚✧ 𝓀ℬ ✧゚・

sonic wyvern
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that's a very fancy way of writing 10 = 2x5.

fleet flare
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well yea

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but im just seeing

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then idk we can pull out the 2

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so 2sqrt{5}?

sonic wyvern
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do you think so?

fleet flare
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absolutely not

sonic wyvern
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exactly.

fleet flare
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i never learnt this / had a reason to know it so like...

sonic wyvern
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in fact, you should have realized 10 is a no-go because 10 is squarefree (no repeated prime factors).

fleet flare
sonic wyvern
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try it.

fleet flare
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ah wait

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only way it can be reduced is if it can be written in the form: sqrt{{a^2}*b}

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i believe yea

sonic wyvern
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in other words, a radicand is only reducible if it has at least one prime factor that has a multiplicity equal to or greater than the degree of the radical.

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(which is a fancy way of saying that a number under a root of any degree can only be reduced if it has at least one prime factor that appears in its prime factorization at least as many times as the degree of the root.)

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so a cube root would require that the radicand has 3 copies of a prime factor, for instance.

fleet flare
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mhm, well what i got atm gives the ans

sonic wyvern
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so proceed.

fleet flare
sonic wyvern
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and you are done.

fleet flare
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ty

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wind crown
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Oi I'm taking this place

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wind crown
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So I'm having trouble reading Olympiad Books like Secrets in Inequalities by Pham Kim Hung where each lesson is like 2 pages of theory and the rest is just bloody problems.

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This is especially difficult in this particular book where I am learning advanced AM-GM inequalities.

orchid vine
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that theory is mainly for revision rather than concept clarity

wind crown
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Unlike hard things like the Laplace Transform and the s-plane or whatever that is easy to visualise and stuff, this on the otherhand looks like it's from fucking never land.

wind crown
solemn matrix
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I think it depends on the curriculum

wind crown
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My curicculum is whatever the fuck makes me understand this stuff.

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The field is wide, you can gimme some reccomendations.

solemn matrix
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Like in my country (prob where Phan Kim Hung) comes from, advanced math in secondary school learns inequalities like AM-GM first and didn't even learn graphs to solve inequalities

wind crown
solemn matrix
wind crown
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What I'm looking for is a full explaination as to what kind of bollocks logic people had to circus around in order to solve this shit.

solemn matrix
wind crown
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Even that problem was not as bad, how the fuck do I do this one???

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The book's available online for free you can view it yourself lad.

solemn matrix
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Ngl i suck at those questions 😭😭😭

wind crown
wind crown
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I need ya help!

violet magnet
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AM-GM?

wind crown
violet magnet
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Then you can do it.

wind crown
violet magnet
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What?

wind crown
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Lad I don't know the first thing on how to approach 'em problems I just send before ye.

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And not to mention it's the first bloody chapter in the book I'm following.

orchid vine
wind crown
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Please I need someone's help..

orchid vine
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how

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can i help

violet magnet
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You can eliminate the denominators of each term on the left side.

orchid vine
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ill brb

wind crown
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Like as in the topic of AM-GM Inequalities as a whole.

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'Cause covering every typa 'em inequalities gonna take forever.

orchid vine
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so what you can do is look at some solved examples of AM-GM or smth

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to get a hang of how qs are done

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perhaps

wind crown
orchid vine
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no like what i meant is, just to get a hang of the concept

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also for this q

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lemme attempt

wind crown
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Even then what are the basis of the thought process of going into these proofs?

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Like is there some kind of graphical explaination where there is some kind of clear relatinship between two points so that I could figure out what that relationship is?

orchid vine
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you build that by solving qs lol

orchid vine
wind crown
orchid vine
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i dont have its graphical proof

wind crown
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I am talking about the problems I am presenting here.

orchid vine
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this 1 right

wind crown
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Like how am I supposed to visualise or see it in a different light that would allow me to solve it besides some shallow trick like cancelling out stuff or something.

wind crown
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Other than the xyz relationshiop, I don't see any other relationship in the question that makes sense to me.

orchid vine
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give me a lil bit

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i need to solve myself

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lol

wind crown
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Sure I can piece together some kind of relationship where the denominators cancel out but that's where I get stuck lad.

orchid vine
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x,y,z are symmetric

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and substituting x = 1, y = 1, z = 1 balances the equation so we wanna prove that any deviation from 1 makes the sum greater

wind crown
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Okay that seems pretty good.

orchid vine
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i just mentioned

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thats what we have to prove

wind crown
orchid vine
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you can if u wanted

wind crown
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Hmm

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Hol' one, I think I got it.

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Thank s lad.

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thank you

orchid vine
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i dint do anything lol

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im still solving

wind crown
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close

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close chat

orchid vine
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.

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and then

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close

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to close

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orchid vine
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ye

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unborn chasm
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A motorcycle rider weighs 60kg is coasting down a 24 degree slope the weight of motorcycle is 30kg at the top of slope the speed of bike is 3.2 if the kinetic friction force is 100N what will be speed of the bike 72m downhill

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What have you done?

unborn chasm
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!status

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unborn chasm
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Having a prob with making components

violet magnet
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You tried anything yet?

unborn chasm
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Lemem send pic

unborn chasm
violet magnet
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Nice.

unborn chasm
violet magnet
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You can just use work energy formula.

unborn chasm
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?

violet magnet
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I don't think you need to, since they gave you friction force 100N already.

unborn chasm
violet magnet
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Well.

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Recall the formula?

unborn chasm
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The force of gravity that makes it go downhill i have to find that

unborn chasm
violet magnet
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Great, what is it then?

unborn chasm
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The force is kinetic frictional force which is acting opposite to the motion

violet magnet
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$\frac{1}{2}mv^2_f - \frac{1}{2}mv^2_i$

boreal girderBOT
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Mercury (ヤフォダ)

violet magnet
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Familiar?

unborn chasm
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Thats what i need to find

unborn chasm
violet magnet
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What is the mass here?

unborn chasm
violet magnet
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Initial speed?

unborn chasm
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3.2

violet magnet
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Distance and slope angle?

unborn chasm
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72m 24 degree

violet magnet
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Great, now let's calculate gravitational force.

violet magnet
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Well what is the formula for it then?

unborn chasm
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But its acting downwards

violet magnet
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Mgsin(theta).

unborn chasm
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I can normally make them idk i am a bit confused here

violet magnet
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You dont understand why multiply with sintheta?

unborn chasm
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I have to show this grpahically as well so

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I need to make a fig showing the components

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Can u help me with that

violet magnet
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Let just solve it first and draw later.

unborn chasm
violet magnet
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Then can you find gravitational force?

unborn chasm
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20 meter per sec

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Approx

violet magnet
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Great.

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Now frictional force is 100N for uphill.

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The one you just solved is downhill.

unborn chasm
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Yup

violet magnet
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Ah wait.

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Why is that meter/sec?

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It supposed to be in Newtons.

unborn chasm
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I solved the whole thing

violet magnet
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m = 90, g = 9.8, and sin 24?

unborn chasm
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Ye

violet magnet
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You multiply them together and get 20?

unborn chasm
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358

violet magnet
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Are you sure?

unborn chasm
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Then sub the frictional force

violet magnet
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Correct.

unborn chasm
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Then multiply by 72 for work

violet magnet
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What's next?

unborn chasm
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And put in work energy

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And solve

violet magnet
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Well you want to find the net work.

unborn chasm
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On a simple cordinate plane its so easy here i am jst confused

violet magnet
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I think you would need to draw the perpendicular component starting from the object and point vertically to the slope.

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That's what I think of.

boreal girderBOT
sleek meadow
unborn chasm
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The distance that biker covers from top to the end

sleek meadow
unborn chasm
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So i jst realized there's a component of weight balancing the normal force as well

sleek meadow
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you would need to resolve the vectors of the gravity by keeping the gravity as the hypotenuse

sleek meadow
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I read some of the earlier convo here

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Applying conservation of energy is the right way to proecced

unborn chasm
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So i have a problem eith drawing components graphically

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Could you like maybe guide me here

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On normal plane its easier here i am jst confused

sleek meadow
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Keep the vector whoose components you are resolving as the hypotenuse

sleek meadow
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Yes

unborn chasm
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Alr

sleek meadow
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Always

sleek meadow
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Here you made it seem like mg and mgsin are components of mgcos

sleek meadow
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Yes

boreal girderBOT
sleek meadow
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Good

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Wait what?

unborn chasm
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Now that is jst projected to slope?

solemn matrix
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looks wrong to me?

sleek meadow
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you made mg inclined?

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Mg is always drop downwards

unborn chasm
solemn matrix
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idk how the horizontal side is mgsin theta

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does not looks like trig sense to me

sleek meadow
solemn matrix
unborn chasm
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,rccw

boreal girderBOT
sleek meadow
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You made

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Mgcos hypo again

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see where your right angle is

unborn chasm
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As u told me to think of

solemn matrix
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but here your mg is one of your legs

sleek meadow
solemn matrix
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you gotta determine it through the right angle

sleek meadow
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also i dont even understand why we are resolving mg in the first place @unborn chasm ??

unborn chasm
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Gotta find the component of g force qcting along slope

sleek meadow
unborn chasm
unborn chasm
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Mg is hyp here right ?

open plaza
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do you know how to represent forces

sleek meadow
sleek meadow
unborn chasm
open plaza
sleek meadow
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Okay so now for COME

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(Conservation of mech energy)

unborn chasm
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Yup

sleek meadow
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so initially it had some KE let that be KEi

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finally it has some KE say KEf

unborn chasm
sleek meadow
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there is energy loss due to moving down the incline by gravity and friction

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so we can rewrite it as?

unborn chasm
sleek meadow
unborn chasm
sleek meadow
unborn chasm
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unborn chasm
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How do you know which side is perp and base here

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Is that bc of slop angle or is there sm other way to tell?

sleek meadow
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I made the right angle triangle and then theta asw in it

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you should be able to identify that

unborn chasm
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Ty man

sleek meadow
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aight then am js gonna go

unborn chasm
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Sure

sleek meadow
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Tho i still am not sure if this method is valid lmk if your ans matches

unborn chasm
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Sure lemme try

unborn chasm
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To find hieght

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Answrr still same

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light raft
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What do they mean by scaling factor, I don't understand this example

still burrow
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-# ok u can take this

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light raft
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so if i want to convert something that is kW to MW, i multiply by 1x10^3?

strange spear
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from MW to kW

light raft
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multiply by 10^3 to convert from MW to kW right?

light raft
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thank you for your help, this makes sense now.

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wind crown
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ay imma rent this place

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wind crown
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Guys how in the actual fuck do I solve this?

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Whatever logic the author used sounds like a load of shit to me.

violet magnet
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Yes, AM-GM is helpful.

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You can remove the denominator too.

wind crown
violet magnet
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Well look at the first line.

wind crown
wind crown
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Hello?

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light raft
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where did they get the numbers for the bathtub for question c? there was no additonal info given

light raft
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im just confused where they get 0.375 from and if i missed something

strange spear
light raft
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this is it

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nothing more to the question

strange spear
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Ask the teacher

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Cuz the bathroom size, if mentioned nowhere else, should not be guessed

solemn matrix
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do we have to look up the ARCHITECTURE of every single bathtub to conclude this?

strange spear
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Bathtubs can be of any size tbh

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God knows what bathtub are they talking about

light raft
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This was a stupid question I hope there aren't any more like this in the book

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rigid perch
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it seems you are expected to remember from the top of your head the approximate dimensions of your bathtub (given the wide range of acceptable volumes)

strange spear
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Still rather stupid tho

light raft
light raft
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smh

strange spear
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This shouldnt be a thing imo

strange spear
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You should not be pulling values out of your ass while doing math

solemn matrix
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so that's why this exists 😭

strange spear
cerulean bramble
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You're being tested on your measurement/estimation skills; it suffices if you can roughly gauge its measurements [saying that a bathtub is 15m long for instance is blatantly wrong, so would be marked as such]

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vale moat
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not sure how to do part b

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we know

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sinxtanx = sinxtan(3x - pi/9)

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sinx = 0, so x = pi

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3x - pi/9 = x
2x = pi/9
x = pi/18

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but there is also other solutions idk how to find them

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@vale moat Has your question been resolved?

vale moat
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@latent lodge

strange ermine
vale moat
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but idk why

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Because that's how you get equal values of tangent

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In other words, how would you solve tan(x) = tan(π/5)?

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facts

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Only that?

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well there is infinite solutions

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right

strange ermine
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Yeah but without taking the periodicity of 2π into account there's another possible solution

vale moat
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x = pi / 5 + pi?

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Yup

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If you want, you can use the fact that tangent has a periodicity of π, not only 2π

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hmmmmmm

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okay i understand now thanks

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Awesome, you're welcome 🤗

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help pls

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isolate y basically and express it in terms of x and substitute into the curve

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idk i just need answer

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oh wow I thought it was nosol

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alr so

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then sub 1 into 2

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yup and then did you find the intersection points?

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so (x+8)(x-2) = 0

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x = -8
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,w solve x^2 + 3(2x + 1) = 19

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yeah great

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perpendicular bisector:

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now find an equation for the line joining A and B

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what values of y did you have for the corresponding x values?

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oh wait nvm

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took me too long to realise

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nice

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# jagged stump 2x - y + 1 = 0

the perpendicular bisector of line segment AB would be intersecting the midpoint of A and B with slope -1/slope of the initial line

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now we can find the equation of the perpendicular bisector

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x + 2y + 13 = 0

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I am verifying .

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just a second

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should be

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yeah it is correct

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perfect now find where it intersects the x-axis

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Either you can use the formula

$$\frac{1}{2} |\vec{AB} \times \vec{AC}|$$

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Klein Bottle

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so AB form the base

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and the perpendicular distance from the midpoint of AB and C is the height

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where did vectors come in, it's a lot simpler than that
they can make a rectangle around the points and subtract the areas of the triangles around it

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i think i have answer

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ABC = 125

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great

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that is correct

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Sure mate . I suppose that could work too

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Help with this integration

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which mod foiled my plans

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Can someone help me understand all this stuff for my Alg 1 Final: Factoring quadratics
Solving quadratics by factoring
Completing the square
Quadratic formula
Graphing parabolas
Difference of squares
Exponential functions
Exponential equations
Exponent rules
Negative exponents
Rational exponents & radicals
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Finding intersections/solutions

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Start with first part.

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What have you studied?

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Any uncertain questions in that part?

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ummmmm... none i am so lost i kinda slept through the class

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i get the idea but i gotta lock in

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Okay.

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my biggest question is the Bottoms Up method for functions

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Bottom up method?

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What is that?

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thats what my teacher called it

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Would you mind explain it?

naive phoenix
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factoring trinomials

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also how to find a square root of a number because i got no idea

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that’s really it lol

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also not all numbers have whole number square roots

naive phoenix
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i d k my multiplication tables so thats a struggle

tall wadi
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well…you may have more to learn than just algebra 1 then

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okay thanks

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😭

tall wadi
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no i get it

naive phoenix
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i do have a b in the class tho

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but still like id recommend going through what water beam said and then doing practice problems on khan academy

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okay

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thx beautiiful people

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then if you have a question on those problems you can ask here

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your the best

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help me ques 7.1 please

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hard quartz
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What is the approach to find M here

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i know that i have to compare with M , something bigger than the original then prov its convergent then the function is uniform convergent

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I'd consider the absolute value
$$\left \lvert a_n (x) \right \rvert=\left(\frac{|x|}{x^2+4} \right)^n.$$
From this, $\left \lvert a_n(x) \right \rvert$ is maximised if and only if $\boxed{\text{what}}$ is maximised?

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Civil Service Pigeon

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Hint: ||Note that n is at least 1||

hard quartz
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i think x run from 0 to 1 . Bc |x|^n < x ^2n except range ( 0,1 )

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My intention was for you to realise that it suffices to maximise $\frac{|x|}{x^2+4}$

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rotund sphinx
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since n being at least 1 means that t^n is an increasing function of t

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which means you can ignore the absolute value

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I'm not sure if that's what you meant to say

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do u mean x / x^2 +4 is the maximum ?

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hard quartz
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but i just found that how can we prove x/x^2+4 is convergent ?

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well your bound should be independent of x

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hence why I suggested maximising that

hard quartz
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so u are trying to say that x/x^2+4 is the maximum and for all x this will give us a exact number . so the sum of the function < sum ( exact nnumber ) ?

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hard quartz
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and the sum of exact number is divergent

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hard quartz
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im really sorry but i dont really know how to continue. i just know that x < |x| thats it and i dont know how to prove (|x|/x^2 +4 ) ^n convergent

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< 1/x^n . and prove 1/x^n is convergent ?

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so the function < sum of 1/x^n . and sum 1/x^n = x/x-1 -> convergent

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then the function is convergent is this what u mean

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can somebody explain this solution?

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how can he affirm that without calculating the angle of incidence of these segments (AB and CD) betweens those parallels of the square

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the center of rotation is E?

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or can be any idk

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It's saying if you rotate the square by 90 degree then AB is parallel to where CD is now.

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since the line are parallel, and passing through the same sides of the square (after the rotation), they must be the same length.

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because they meet at a right angle, and you're rotating it 90 degrees

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oh makes sense

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