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N is the number of circles
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hey, let's do this systematically
using the properties of a Euler's totient function, and from how a factorial works
$\phi(p!) = \phi(p\cdot(p-1)\cdots2\cdot1).$
p is not divisible by any numbers less than it, thus phi is multiplicative over this whole product and $\phi(p\cdot(p-1)\cdots2\cdot1)=\phi(p)\cdot\phi(p-1)\cdots\phi(2)\cdot\phi(1).$
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Why
I don’t think b is as good of an option cause it’s generalizing all customers from a set of 100
While the first is more accurate by saying the customers in the sample
And it’s also true you cannot conclude anything about the population
my bad
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is it just me or none of these are correct?
by handshake the sum of degrees is twice the number of edges
or does the theorem change if we have a tree?
well you have 50 edges ok
since we're talking about a tree, you can get the number of vertices from that
its 51?
yea
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There are 12 boys and 10 girls in the class.
How many options you can choose 3 students of the same gender?
like do you mean whats the probablity of choosing three students of the same gender?
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I was going to explain afterwards but guess we do it the other way around
yk this formula? @noble heart
Yes it's like this
exactly
So there are two genders
boys or girls
and we need three students of the same gender
that means we pick 3 students who are either boy or girl
lets consider cases now
case 1. We are picking girls
but we can also choose 3 from both boys and girls at the same time
how do you choose 3 girls from 12 girls?
but then they wont all have the same gender will they?
12!/(12-3)!3!?
yes
how will you do it for boys?
only from a different quantity
oh we made a mistake here, on the contrary boys 12
oh yeah my bad
so girls 10!/(10-3)!3!
what do we do to them to get the final answer?
The question says 3 students of the same gender
10!/(10-3)!3!+12!/(12-3)!3!
as for this... do you get why we dont need to worry about it?
not really, because there is a chance to choose, for example, 3 boys from all of them at once
there is a chance, yes
but we are not calculating a chance
we are calculating the number of ways we can choose 3 boys or 3 girls
Here is a simple example
I show you a rock and a pen
in how many ways can you choose the pen from here?
no hard math
there is one pen and one rock
1?
yes
you can choose the same pen in a different way can you
but what if I say close your eyes
and pick one (lets say you cant tell if its a pen by touching it haha)
what is the chance that you will pick the pen?
1/2
yep
see the difference of these problems?
in the first one you know what you want to take and you take it, the question is in how many ways can you take it
in the second one its about you WANT to take it and the question is what is the chance that you will take it
oh I understand
in this boys and girls problems in case 1 we calculated the number of ways we choose boys
cause lets say there are 12 boys
and we pick Jeremy, Josh and Jack
thats one way
then we can pick Josh, Jack and Nick
thats another way
and so on
understood
Nice 😄
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Hey so I'm studying Generalized Likelihood Ratio Tests (GLRTs), and in examples whenever they try to reduce, it feels like they eliminate stuff that you really shouldn't eliminate, I'll give an example:
Karl
Like how can they just replace everything in the exp() with an n?
You might have more luck on the statistics server FYI
although i cant tell if this is just an algebra question
which step of equality are you looking at exactly?
like here?
@ancient dagger
Sort of
how do you mean
which step are you confused about specifically
between which two equals
So here you see in the exp?
They make a ratio between $L(\hat{\Theta}_0)$ and $L(\hat{\Theta})$
Karl
And they end up with this
How can they reduce everthing in the exp to an n?
you know it almost just looks like $\hat \sigma$ right
jan Niku
you can rewrite it as $- \frac{1}{2\hat \sigma ^2} \sum (X_i -\hat \mu)^2$
jan Niku
idk id have to think
thats what seems like is happening though
youre somehow eating the square
No you multiply by $n / n$
Karl
oh, right
But what about $L(\hat{\Theta}_0)$?
it looks similar
using that i think $\hat \sigma _0^2 = \sum \frac{(X_i -\mu _0 )^2}{n}$
jan Niku
Is that true though?
i imagine this is the identity
its just a definition, idk how is it defined in what you have
WHA
i mean im just guessing, it seems reasonable
to define variance like this
seems fine to me
using this will make the equality work out, i believe
Okay here's why I feel weird about it:
Wait I gotta read more about this
It just doesn't sit well because the this is a restricted MLE
as far as the stats IDK its been a long time
for that stuff i'd say go to the stats server
I mean what you say makes sense
np good luck
And thanks for your help!
$\text{exp}\left[ -\sum_{i=1}^{n}\frac{\left( X_{i}-\mu \right)^{2}}{2\sigma^{2}} \right]=\\=\text{exp}\left[ -\frac{1}{2\sigma^{2}}\sum_{i=1}^{n}\left( X_{i}^{2}-2\mu
X_{i}+\mu^{2} \right) \right]=\\=\text{exp}\left[ -\frac{1}{2\sigma^{2}}\left( n\left( \sigma^{2}+\mu^{2} \right)-2n\mu^{2}+n\mu^{2} \right) \right]=e^{-\frac{n}{2}}$
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Yeah sure, but I don't get how it works with the restricted MLE
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Hello, what's the question ? 😵💫
that is the question
using stokes i think
so it's asking for line integral of F on curve C
not surface integral
of surface enclosed by C
right?
use stokes to evaulate integral F dr thats what the rest of it says
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(x+y)^12 find the max coefficient
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So i just completed the square of the denominator to become this easier integral, but im unsure how to continue
the completed the square form is useful for integrating fractions with a constant in the numerator
however here you also have an x-term present
but note that its quite close to the derivative of the denominator
$\int \underbrace{\frac{a \cdot g'(x)}{g(x)}}{\log} + \underbrace{\frac{b}{g(x)}}{\arctan} \dd{x}$
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firstly what's the derivative of the denominator
(don't worry about expanding the result)
the x term here would have a coefficient of 2
however your initial numerator has a coefficient of 3
which is where the 3/2 comes from.
which will be your a in the above image
$\int \frac{\frac32 \cdot \blue{\overbrace{2(x+3)}^{g'(x)}}}{\red{\underbrace{(x+3)^2 + 1}{g(x)}}} + \frac{b}{\red{\underbrace{(x+3)^2 + 1}{g(x)}}} \dd{x}$
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yep
wow some impressive latex there
but i got the answer, its correct
thanks!!!!
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How would you identify a permutation vs a combination
Also in what situation would you divide a permutation by a certain value
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permutation: the order items are selected in matters
combination: the order items are selected in does not matter
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Problem 9
what have you tried?
I get confused how to pick the variables
I know the outside integral should be constants
Idk how to start this exercise.
you're given all the information you need for this iterated integral
$\dd{A}$ is just $\dd{x} \dd{y}$
maxim
It can be dy dx aswell
Yes
oh actually it's
$\int_{x=0}^{x=2} \int_{y=x^3}^{y=8} \dd{y} \dd{x}$
thats what i think at least
haven't done multivariable calc in years
It's incorrect 🙂
what about this?
yes
maxim
cool
yes that's how we find x
we know y = x^3 = 8 when x = 2
and we know that this starts at x = 0
and goes to x = 2
hence the boundary for the integral is x = 0 to x = 2
as for the integral with respect to y
we know x^3 < 8 for x < 2
which means on the interval (0,2) x^3 < 8
so x^3 is the lower bound
does that make sense?
Yeah
cool
so this integral is simply $\iint_R \dd{A}$ where $\dd{A} = \dd{y}\dd{x}$ and $R = {0 \leq x \leq 2, x^3 \leq y \leq 8}$
maxim
Is it always possible to build this up ?
wdym
Like I can now do the integral
yes you can
it's kinda eaiser
the hardest part
for multivariable calculus
it's the only hard thing about the subject imo
if ur given the region R sure
it can get very hard
reversing the order of integration?
R.I.P
but i haven't formally taken a class on multivariable calculus
I have to do all this in 15 hours
so i can't tell you much
gl
Alright thanks for your help !
no worries
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can someone help me reduce z^-2 -2 + i = (1-i)^3
I just need to reduce to get the cis form
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Wdym
Write z = a + ib then group real and imaginary parts
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I tried that. Is correct? Thx!
This is the graphic:
I need a confirmation bc it's an avaluation exercice xd
try plugging that value into both the derivatives to see if your answer is correct
So, what I did is equalize both derivates to get an x value. I don't have any idea if it make sense but I only know that the derivate is the way you can find thr slope of main function.
I'll try it
Yes, I get the same value so I think it's correct but I don't know why the solution is in equalizing the two derivates :/ @novel echo @loud ingot
if you plot the derivative functions in desmos you will see that is where they intercept
the first derivative of a function gives you the slope of the original function
that's why you equalize the 2 derivative functions
Ok I see, thanks for explaining to me! @tribal latch
Also thanks! @novel echo
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Hello I was wondering how to do this. I don’t know about factor trees or anything ..
look up prime factorisation
then try to attempt this problem or come back here for further help
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It won’t get rid of the cube root inside of the log, at least, so you shouldn’t
hm
I also thought about
logging the 2/3
but that wouldn't give me 2/3
atleast log base 10
so I wouldn't be able to cancel and so on
Maybe think about an alternative way to write a cube root?
Do you have your log identities with you?
mj
the 2/3 looks really tempting
I want to play with it
not sure if that'll get me anywhere though
You have “the log of a power” 
Which identities do you happen to have to hand? Do you have a list of them?
well, I have some memorized
trying not to rely on them too much though
I have loga+logb=log ab
loga-logb= log a/b
and the exponential one of course
that one would make your life much notably easier 
May as well state it too 
mj
ye that's right
just had to look at your original problem cause the way you texed it was unclar
$log(x^2+48x)=2$
mj
Im thinking now
what could I log to get 2
log base 10 to get 2
ah it's 100, but how am I supposed to know?
is it a memorization thing?
10^2 = 100
mj
$(x^2+48x)=(100)$
mj
$x^2+48x-100=0$
mj
Alternatively, notice that your equation here is then equivalent to $x^2 + 48x = 10^2$ by definition of log (base 10)
@vernal matrix
For the future it is probably going to be a memorization thing like your multiplication facts (e.g. knowing 6 * 7 without needing to compute it)
$(x+50)(x-2)$
$x=-50$
$x=2$
mj
guess it's something you guys can just spot
need a bit more practice with these
You may also want to check whether the solutions you found are actually valid too 
(i.e. can you put both into the original equation and have no issues?)
Yep- can’t take logs of nonpositive* numbers
hm.. finding the domain is a problem within itself
It is a bit of a problem - but you only really need to check that for the solutions you found, you don’t get “the log of a negative number”
Yep, that could potentially cause you issues though
how would you find
the domain
without guessing and checking
it has to be pure coincedence that it is 48
😭
How would you find it WITH guess and check?
It's range should be $(infinity,0)U(-48,-infinity)$
Blunder69
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which d
o saw you said 53 above also
because you're assuming u and v are functions
7v(x)-2u(x)
yes
do you know how to find tangent line?
the equation of the tangent line to a function
like y-f(a)=f'(a)(x-a)
well, if you know how to find tangent line, all you need to do is take the negative reciprocal for slope and that's your normal line
if y=f'(a)(x-a)+f(a) is the equation of your tangent line, then y=-(f'(a))^-1(x-a)+f(a) will be the equation of the normal line
ye
:)
also the -15 is wrong
ye
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point slope form is useful for doing this sorts of problems
are you using point slope form for your lines?
but if it means largest negative, then yeah, -infinity
it means magnitude, then 0 is the smallest slope
ah wait
they found it by taking the derivative
used power rule
they didn't evaluate it everywhere
basically they're looking for where f'(x) is smallest
i.e. minimizing f'(x)
if you've learned about minimum and maximum you know they occur at critical points, and boundaries of interval (since boundaries are at infinity, don't consider them)
critical points are where the derivative is undefined at the value, or it is 0
since we're trying to find the critical points of f'(x)
we take the derivative again
and set it equal to 0
f''(x)=0
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do you know how to find f''(x)?
you just take the derivative of f'(x)
@neon iron then set f''(x)=0
and solve for x
this gets you the x-value where f'(x) is smallest, then you just plug that into f'(x)
the second derivative is just the deriative of the first deriative
if it helps you get let g(x)=f'(x)
and g'(x)=f''(x)
when you look at the sign f''(x) it tells you the general 'shape' of the curve as well
f''(x)>0 means the curve in that region is generally 'u' shaped, concave up
f''(x)<0 means the curve in that region is generally 'n' shaped, concave down
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I think I finally got it
$$ - u^{''}_n (x) - \lambda u_n (x) =0,$$
with $u_n (0) = u_n (L)$ and $u' n (0) = u' (L).$
where $\lambda = \kappa ^2 \left( N + 1 \right) ^2$.
Fractalogist
solutions are
$u_n (x) = c_1 cos((N+1) \kappa x)) + c_2 sin((N+1) \kappa x))$
Fractalogist
for first boundary we get
$$c_1 = c_1 cos((N+1)\kappa L)) + c_2 sin((N+1) \kappa L))$$
Fractalogist
second
$$c_2 = -c_1 sin((N+1) \kappa L)) + c_2 cos((N+1)\kappa L))$$
Fractalogist
clearly c1=c2=0, what if we set one constant to be zero, and other one arbitrary, for example for first boundary we set c1=0 then we get
$0=c_2 sin((N+1) \kappa L)$
since $c_2 \neq 0$ this implies $(N+1) \kappa L = n\pi$
Fractalogist
what would our eigenfunction be then?
would it be $u_{\kappa, n} = c_2 sin(n\pi x)$, but the eigenfunctions should depend on $\kappa$ and n at same time i think because the notation that they gave for the eigenvalue is $\lambda_{\kappa, n}$
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On the LHS of the first step?
The $\frac{(x - 2)^{n+1}}{(x - 2)^n}$ simplifies to $(x -2)$, as does $\frac{2^{2n}}{2^{2n + 2}} = \frac1{2^2}$
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thanks so much for your fast responce
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This is a crane and the arm between C and B rotates around C. CB and AC is always constant. and AB changes its length . I want to make a graph showing the how AB changes as you change angle v. (the text isn't important) and i use radians for angle v
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take all the time you need
okay I think I got it
simplest thing to do would be to consider everything to be on a cartesian plane
where c is at the origin
so the location of A would be -44,33
since we're subtracting 5 from 38 because A is 38 off the ground, and C is 5 off the ground
then the location of B would be 67COSv,67SINv
then we make a triangle out of those coordinates
67COSv+44 and 67SINv-33
so c, which would be the distance between A and B would be the square root of ( (67COSv+44)^2 + (67SINv-33)^2 )
sorry, I never figured out how to use latex on this server xd
does that seem accurate?
im a bit confused why is A = -44,33
if C is the origin, A is 44 to the left of C, that would be X = -44
and Y = 33, because A is 33 above C
oh 44,33 is the cords
i can confirm the solution
if you want i can offer a non-coordinate way but the solution @soft lily gave is perfect (it's sort of the same except without coordinates)
i would love to hear more solutions
also i dont fully understand this step
so first using pythagorean theorem we get AC = 55
yeah
so now from sin (ACD) = 33/55 we can determine the angle acd
then since the three angles v, bca and acd sum to pi (since they lie on a line), the angle BCA is equal to pi - v - ACD
and now you have to use the law of cosines in triangle ACB
and the sqrt would be the exact same as swarm's answer
actually i'm sure that expanding that answer would give you the answer i have
okay but how do i fx make it into a graph where xAxis = angle v and yAxis = length of AB
that is your function that you're looking for
when you plot either swarm's or my equation, you get the length of |AB| for every v
the function doesn't look very nice sure but it gives you an |AB| for each v
you can try plotting it and see how it looks
i think that graph is correct actually
but you might need to change some settings, especially scale the x axis accordingly
i mean |AB| can get quite big while |v| ranges from somewhere between 0 to pi (approx. 3.1415)
so the scaling isn't that right
This is exactly what i was looking for thx @marble skiff and @soft lily (sry if you didn't want me to ping you)
no problem :)
Sorry to be a bother but I've been at this single question for an hour, what would at thr very least be the correct formula?
get ur own help channel
I did
go to #❓how-to-get-help
do i need to close this?
if its done, then yes
how?
use .close
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That does form the upper bound for the x values, for sure (and note that log_3 is increasing)
You can similarly find the lower bound on the values of x
More simple than that
You said that log_3(3) is 1
Can you make a similar statement, but with -1 instead?
No, not quite
Remember your log rules: if $\log_3(x) = -1$, then what is $x$?
@vernal matrix
but we have x/3 instead of x here
So you had $\log_3\pqty{\frac{x}3} = -1$, and found that $\frac{x}3 = \frac13$
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how do you get that?
if you mean x=1, then yep 
That's pretty much it, $x$ has to be between 1 and 9 inclusive, you get that $1 \leq x \leq 9$
@vernal matrix
Yep, and the fact you know that $\log_3$ is increasing allows you to then say that
[
1 \leq x \leq 9 \implies \frac13 \leq \frac{x}3 \leq 3 \implies -1 \leq \log_3(x) \leq 1
]
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a bit confused, im trying to find the projection of the vector Pp0 onto the direction vector (-3,2,-3) but im getting a 0 when trying to compute their dot product
what have I done wrong?
projection can be 0 tho
does that mean the point Q is (0,0,0) ?
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hello
why did they choose a semicircle
i am confused on the residue theorem and how they can change the limits to match the contour of ^^
ok i read more of the textbook and going from -R --> R makes sense and to enclose a pole
but does it matter which pole? and why dont we need to do both
look at it a different way
the contour integral over C
is a more complicated problem and distinct
but it can be solved easily using residue theorem
so since there is a "simple" method to solve the contour integral thats great
now they find the original integral I in the solution of the controur integral
and then using that and showing that the part of contour integral over the arc is zero when p approaches infinity
you can find the answer to the original problem
why is it a semicircle? why doesnt it contain a second pole?
those questions are simply answered by why should it be?
they setup a separate problem, the contour integral over the semi-circle, with the goal of finding the answer to the real integral I in it
and they use the residue theorem to help get to that solution
you could use a different contour that encolses a different pole
but i cant think of any contour that would make this easier
the both part of the semicircle represents the real integral I that your trying to solve
so thats why the semicircle is nice
you could in principle have you used a square though
that would just be way more annoying since then polar form cant be used
glad to hear
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how do you approach part 2
combine the two matrices, only the middle column
that's what kept tripping me up because wouldn't you need to add the entire matrices
so b would become 2b and e would become 2e, etc
gotcha
oh yeah one other question I was stumped on was this one
what would the general steps be to solve smth like that
we've only ever done it in class when the examples at the top were columns of an identity matrix
uh well like
if I'm not mistaken [
\m\det{EA} = \det E \det A
]
where $E$ is an elementary matrix
what you have is a bunch of transformations of A that transform A by multiplying by some elementary matrix
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suppose G is a group with a binary operation * , if I know that a*b in G can I say that a and b are in G ?
not automatically, suppose G is a subgroup of some larger group, then ab can be in G without a or b being in G
this statement is not always true, if you arbitrarily pick a group that only contains even numbers and * is the usual product of two even numbers, then the ab will always be part of the group, however not a and b have to be even numbers, only a or b, its not exclusive
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not sure how to start
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for that I remember, you must find a line through P. In this line you must find the orthogonal (in the line) through Q and impose that distance
Remember that if Q is a solution of that line, then Q will have a 0 distance. Q is in the span of a line
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for the x polynomial the answer is (x-2)(x-4)(x+1)
i know x=y^2/3
i just dont know how to solve question c
just make that substitution
what is the relationship between x and y
x=y^2/3
Flappie
does this help?
recpricol power?
yes
ah i see
so y = x^?
yes
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so you know these two triangles are similar, right?
I need to find the value of b
yes
which means the little triangle is a scaled down version of the big triangle
similar triangles my beloved
do I need to find the angle first?
no...

similar, not the same
oh i see
the answer says its 3
oh
,w 12/4=9/b
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can someone assist me on the last question
Can you use a calculator?
You must, since it says give answers to two decimal places, so just find the roots of 2x^2-5x-2
Use the quadratic formula to find an expression for the roots
and then input those into your calculator
now what do i do?
Do you have an expression for the two roots? Then you should just be able to type them into your calculator to get a decimal version
then you're done
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@slender sonnet is tg = tangent? and ctg = cotangent?
Also what is the statement of the original question?
Is it to simplify?
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x^3
Increasing means it only goes up
In x^2 it's decreasing on negative x values
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something like this but how come its increasing in negative here 2??
there is something im not understanging here... left-right they r both increasing
so can @outer delta please explain this plss
Yes
You read graphs left to right and if you're numbers are increasing (y-axis) the graph is described as increasing. If they're decreasing the graph is described as such
This graph increases on all such points x
@modest birch
2 - x decreases on all
Cos x and sin x increase and decrease
X^2 first decreases till it's parabola than increases for infinity
Also with power to third any negative you plug in is also going to be negative cause (-) times (-) = (+) times (-) = (-)
So it's larger in the negative direction
Powers are just multiply said number by itself 'the power' amount of times. You can simply plug in negative or positive and see what happens doesn't have to be an actual number
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How do I solve this?
icicicicicc @outer delta thankyouuu
Why is 3 squared but not actually squared (if that makes sense?
I show you an integral that it will be very useful when you transformed your integral:
$\int_{}^{}\frac{dx}{\left( x^{2}+1 \right)^{2}}=\int_{}^{}\frac{\left( x^{2}+1 \right)-x^{2}}{\left( x^{2}+1 \right)^{2}}dx=\\\int_{}^{}\frac{dx}{x^{2}+1}-\frac{1}{2}\int_{}^{}x\cdot \frac{2x}{\left( x^{2}+1 \right)^{2}}dx=\\=\arctan\text{}x-\frac{1}{2}\left[ x\left( -\frac{1}{x^{2}+1} \right) +\int_{}^{}\frac{dx}{x^{2}+1}\right]=\\\frac{1}{2}\arctan\text{}x+\frac{x}{2\left( x^{2}+1 \right)}+C$
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That's similar but how do I transform it?
first you have to use substituion in yoru case: t = x+1
and next , you have to take out 3^2 = 9
to get 1
adn next apply the other substituion
and finally you get my integral
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Yeah, in the future, please don't just post a picture of your homework assignment with no description or explanation.
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Graph x^2(x^2-25)
Do I just have to keep plugging random points for x or is there an easier way to know how graph looks?
differentiation
Can you determine the zeros?
For that, notice something about x^2 - 25
X=5 and -5
Yes, since this can be rewritten into x^2(x-5)(x+5)
There is a third zero too
0?
Yes
What's the behaviour for x -> infinity?
Y goes infinity in x^2
What do you mean "in x^2"?
The graph
It goes to infinity, yes
For x^2
Well but we're looking at f(x) = x^2(x-5)(x+5)
Does that go to infinity too for x to infinity?
Yeah?
Yes
What about x to -infinity?
Y goes -inf
Are you sure?
The leading term in x^2(x-5)(x+5) is x^4.
You should look at the leading term when determining what it approaches for x -> +/- infinity.
Does x^4 go to -infinity for x -> -infinity?
Idk how x^4 looks
It looks just like a parabola, basically
,w plot x^4 for -10 < x < 10
But more "pushed down" near the center
,w plot f(x) = x^2, g(x) = x^4, h(x) = x^6 for -5 < x <5
Ok so basically looks like x^2
Yeah, almost
So do I just plug in random points for x then?
We're looking at how it looks for x -> -infinity currently.
What is x^4 approaching for x -> -infinity
If it behaves just like x^2
Y is going positive inf
Yes
Ok, another remark: we said earlier that the zeros are -5, 5 and 0.
Note that -5 and 5 are of odd degree, 0 is of even degree
Because we have f(x) = x^2(x-5)(x+5)
Technically, we'd have two terms that are 0 at x = 0 (x * x)
That's why we call it of even degree
Zeros of even degree always look u or n-shaped
For example, x^2, a standard parabola, also has a zero of even degree at x = 0
or look at this example,
,w plot (x-2)^2 * (x+2) for -5 < x < 5
x = 2 is a zero of even degree.
So it looks u-shaped there
(it could also be n-shaped depending on the factor of f)
Ok so I just plot -5 5 and 0
So with this, we know f looks something like this
We don't know yet if it should be the green of purple option but we know it looks u or n shaped
So next, we should determine the extrema of f
Do you know how to do that?
No
No
But I know basic derivatives
But I probably can’t use that on test cus I’m in precalc
Is this something from your class? Since in that case, we shouldn't use derivatives, I guess
If you haven't had them
Yeah don’t use it
Ok, well then we can confirm if it is the green or purple option by plugging in just one point, actually. One x between 0 and 5 or -5 and 0.
If it is positive, then it's the green option, if it is negative, then purple
I drew this
That can't be because we have zeros of odd degree at -5 and 5
That means they go through the x-axis
Only at x = 0, we have a zero of even degree
Also what you drew doesn't include the zero at x = 0 at all
So, we have this. From here, we need to plug in some sample x.
Usually, the highest/lowest points lie somewhere in the middle of two zeros
So plug in x = -2.5 and x = 2.5
Yep
Ok so what do I do with that
So combining all the information, it'll look about like this.
But note that the minimums are not accurate
since we just said "the minimum will be about in the middle of the two zeros"
Ok do u know how this works? Why does 5pi/6 not work even tho it is in -90 degree quadrant?
@shut obsidian
Do you mean why sin^-1(1/2) gives you pi/6 on your calculator and not 5pi/6?
It's not
-90 degrees to +90 degrees means -pi/2 to +pi/2
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