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I got this answer but in the book the answer is 4x -5y = -17

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I can't tell where I'm making the mistake

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wraith ginkgo
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why did you assume the line perpendicular passing through P was at the midpoint between them

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@spiral crane

spiral crane
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Oh, there was a similar worked example that used midpoint to determine the line

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Originally, my answer was y= -5/4 +15

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But I cut that off

wraith ginkgo
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well, that doesnt really work here, you gotta imagine the two lines

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hold on

spiral crane
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Sorry for the trouble-

spiral crane
light raven
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The perpendicular actually went through the point P
Not the midpoint of PQ
@spiral crane

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Fix that and ig u r good to go!

wraith ginkgo
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you got the slope right

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just use P as the point that lies on the line m because thats what the problem stated

spiral crane
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Hold on let me try and I'll let you know? It won't take long, and again I'm sorry for the trouble

spiral crane
wraith ginkgo
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no you used the midpoint

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which is not on the line

spiral crane
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Just a min

spiral crane
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Didn't use midpoint

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Just gradient and point p

wraith ginkgo
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send me a better picture of what you did if it still doesnt work

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mystic saffron
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How do I convert 3.25 radians to degrees

mystic saffron
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I know that the formula is 180/pi

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But this one doesn’t have pi

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Like

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If it was 3.25pi I would multiply it by pi/180

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To convert successfully

viral frost
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180/pi you mean

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You're right but I guess you are allowed to write it out till a few decimal places?

mystic saffron
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Yes

leaden karma
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that just makes it easier to do the calculation (since the pi cancels)

viral frost
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Yeah

leaden karma
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but 180/pi is still just a number

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you can multiply that with any number

mystic saffron
leaden karma
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the number will just be irrational

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,calc 3.25 * (180/pi)

clever fjordBOT
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Result:

186.21128341752
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wild zinc
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What ideas do you have?

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wild zinc
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How would we get a linear factor out of a quadratic polynomial?

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mystic saffron
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can i change integral from pi/4 to 3/4pi f(1+sinx) dx to integral from -pi/4 to pi/4 f(1+cosx) dx

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yes

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that is a valid transformation which results in an equivalent numerical answer

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Anyone can help?

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tidal barn
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So

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tidal barn
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Let say I havea basis B and basis C of the same vector space. f: V->V

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Then I have a matrix rrepresantating mapping [f]B_K , means it takes transforms vectors from base B to K(canonical base).

If I do [f]B_K . [ID]C_B , will that equal to [f]C_K?

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@brittle beacon is there any help for remembiring from which side and what identity to multiply matrix with if i want my final matrix to chosen basis?

brittle beacon
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catThink how do you mean? as in like in your example, if you wanted that to be in another basis instead of K?

tidal barn
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so here i changed the upper inder "the input one"

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what if i wanted to change the output one

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for example from [f]B_C

brittle beacon
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If you wanna change the output one, multiply from the left by the appropriate transition matrix

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So say if we were given $[f]_{K \to K}$ as the matrix of $f$ under the basis $K$ for $V$ (both in input and output)

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@brittle beacon

tidal barn
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yeh so output is multiplying from left, input from right

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I guess it has some algebraic proof, why it works but i guess u dont know it off-head

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do you?

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Also, this works if its f: V->V right? what if its different spaces

brittle beacon
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It's mostly just writing stuff out component wise I think (which I'm pretty lazy to do), e.g. knowing that something like $x$ in the basis ${e_1, ..., e_n}$ (where $V$ is $n$-dimensional) can be written like $x = x_1 e_1 + \ldots + x_n e_n$ then working with that

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@brittle beacon

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tidal barn
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i will send an example

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I know its in diff language

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but mainly u understand, the thing they ask is to count f((3,2,1)T)

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@brittle beacon can u tell me how u would transform it

brittle beacon
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is that (3, 2, 1) in standard basis or?

tidal barn
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yes

brittle beacon
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In that case, convert that to the B basis, multiplying it by the conversion matrix $\pmqty{2 & 1 & 1 \ 1 & 1 & 1 \ 2 & 0 & 1 }^{-1}$

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@brittle beacon

tidal barn
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is this correct?

brittle beacon
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Then what you get from that, left multiply by [f]_C^B, then if you want the result in standard basis, after that, multiply by the transition matrix from C basis to standard

brittle beacon
tidal barn
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is it equivalent to what u said

brittle beacon
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Yep, pretty much what I said!

tidal barn
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yeah and we obviously start multiplying from left, right?

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left->right

brittle beacon
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catThink how do you mean? As in evaluating that product?

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(if so, then note that matrix multiplication is associative so you can evaluate the product however you wish)

tidal barn
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hold on

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@brittle beaconthats not defined

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nvm it is

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:)

brittle beacon
tidal barn
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@brittle beacon Also

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[f]K2_K3 doesnt exist right

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cuz inverse of non square matrix doesnt exist

brittle beacon
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It does, note that f doesn't need to be invertible itself, and is basically what you're finding

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In fact, because the dimensions of the spaces differ, f is not invertible as is

tidal barn
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so how would u get

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[f]K2_K3

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if you know [f]K3_K2

brittle beacon
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Wait catThink

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tidal barn
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yes

brittle beacon
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(sorry getting mixed up with the $[f]_C^B$ notation lol)

tidal barn
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u say its possible?

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@brittle beacon

brittle beacon
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Well, having [f] from K3 to K2 is possible, and what we have (that's what I meant in my original post)

tidal barn
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cuz there could be many of those

tidal barn
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but ([f]K3_K2)^-1 = [f]K2_K3

brittle beacon
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But [f] from K2 to K3 isn't - most notably too, because that would imply that you have a 2 element basis of a three dimensional space, and a three-element basis of a two dimensional space

tidal barn
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yea, so that doesnt exist

brittle beacon
tidal barn
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but we can get some mapping f K2_K3 given right?

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for example f((x,y)) =
(x + 2y)
(x + y)
(2x)

brittle beacon
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Yea it's possible to have a linear map like that given to you, for which you can find a matrix for (though similarly it isn't properly invertible)

tidal barn
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ye ye

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@brittle beacon last thing please

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tidal barn
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f: Z2_5 -> Z2_5 from B to K is
(1 1)
(2 3)

We want [f^{-1}] C_K , which equals [f] C_K.

So to do this we would do [f]B_K [id]C_B = [f] C_K ?

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@brittle beacon

brittle beacon
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We want [f^{-1}] C_K , which equals [f] C_K.
does it? RooThink

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But you can find [f^{-1}] from K to B by finding the inverse of that matrix in the appropriate space

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Then of course, finding [id] from C to K, then [f^{-1}] from K to B, then [id] from B to C

tidal barn
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and that equals to fK_C

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right?

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@brittle beacon[f]B_K [id]C_B = [f] C_K so this is correct?

brittle beacon
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tidal barn
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ok perfect, I understand it

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thank you so much @brittle beacon

brittle beacon
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No problem, a pleasure catlove

tidal barn
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Do you have open dms for more algebra questions?

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@brittle beacon

brittle beacon
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You can DM sure if you'd like, though I may be busy at times so reply slowly SCgoodjob2

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Will try to reply when I can of course!

tidal barn
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Yea, obviously :) thanks and have a nice day

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distant umbra
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Let P = (1,-3,4) and Q = (5,1,-2)

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distant umbra
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find the coordinates of the point which lies one third of the distance between P and Q

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earlier in the book

long tinsel
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section formula

distant umbra
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serge lang says we can use the formula

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s(t) = P + t(Q-P)

wind valve
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sorry, didn't see the points

distant umbra
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but i dont necessarily understand from where does Q-P come?

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how does Q-P have same direction as PQ?

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and then finally in the answer, they substitute 1/3 as t and solves for it. but i dont understand why.

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so can someone please help with these 2 questions

tender carbon
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i think one of the way to solve tia problem is: find coordinates of PQ vector. find the vector 1/3PQ. transform P parallel to the vector 1/3PQ and you will end up the point which is located from 1/3 from P to the direction of Q

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mystic saffron
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Sorry this might be a bad question, but basically whenever I want to show a set is uncountable, all i need to show is that there is no surjection right?

tall veldt
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surjection from where to where?

mystic saffron
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like if you have X and P(X) as sets, show a surjection from f:X -> P(X) doesnt exist

late dust
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Whatever X is, there is no surjection from X to P(X)

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If you want to show that X is uncountable, then you must show there is no surjection from N to X

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P(X) doesn't matter

mystic saffron
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isnt this cantors diagonalization, to show that no surjection implies uncountability

late dust
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Not sure what you mean

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Cantor's diagonal argument is just a proof that there exist uncountable sets

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And that R is such a set

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karmic hollow
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Csn someone help

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karmic hollow
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With 7sinx+3cosx=0

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?

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Idk if u csn do this

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But 7sinx+3-1sinx=0

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Im being idiotic

boreal crag
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What are you trying to do?

karmic hollow
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Sorry

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Well

loud hornet
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Can someone help me please

karmic hollow
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I am trying to solve for x

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Eu

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U need to use another chsnnel

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Ok

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👍

boreal crag
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^

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!occupied

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karmic hollow
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For x

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Idk what to do

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Like do i put it into thr trig identity when tan =sin/cos

boreal crag
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Hmm

karmic hollow
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Im not sure

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I judt started learning alevel trigonometry

boreal crag
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It's hard to think of how to explain in a way that makes sense

karmic hollow
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Oh no

boreal crag
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But there's something clever you can do just by moving things around

karmic hollow
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Fr fr

boreal crag
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Yeah

karmic hollow
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Hmm

fluid tundra
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do you know what arctan() is?

karmic hollow
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Like what arc tan means

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Or the value

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Of theta

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Cos i dont have the value

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Ik arc tan is reverse tan

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If u mesn that

boreal crag
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Can you turn the equation with two trig functions just into an equation with just tangent

karmic hollow
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?

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How

boreal crag
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move one of the functions over to the other side by subtracting it

karmic hollow
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Right

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So

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E.g.

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7sin x =-3cosx

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Does that work

boreal crag
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Yeah

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then you move it back over by dividing

karmic hollow
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Ah ok

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Wait

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Could i theoretically do

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7sinx +3cos x

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Then divide 7sin x

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To get 3cos x =-7sin x

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Theb divide by 3 cos x

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To get tan x =7/3

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Or do i not understand this properly

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Thats incorrect

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Idk then

tepid acorn
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That’s correct

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But you forgot negative

karmic hollow
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Oh

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Wtf

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So

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Wait

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Can someone write out the steps to how i did it

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Cos im co.fusing my self

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Like i get tan =-3/7

tepid acorn
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Ur doing it right with the manipulations just make sure you manipulate correctly

karmic hollow
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Ok

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Im still confused tho

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So with trig functions

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U divide to get them to thr other side

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Then they become negative?

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Is that correct

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novel hollow
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Can someone double check my work pls

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novel hollow
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This rewritten as 1 logarithm would be

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?

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t= sqrtC (A/A-N)

sharp oak
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Your log is gone

novel hollow
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104

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Idk how to type it

sharp oak
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Be careful, you mean A / (A - N)

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I'd consider using two lines per question, for clarity here

novel hollow
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O ok

sharp oak
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But yeah that looks right

novel hollow
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But other than parenthesis was it good

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Ty!

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lavish jackal
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henlo

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lavish jackal
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does the part a) asking for midline and part b) for amplitude?

spiral basalt
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they're two examples
For each, find the three things asked in the actual question

lavish jackal
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what three things?

spiral basalt
lavish jackal
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oh okay

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my bad didn't see that lmfao

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thanks

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spiral basalt
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don't worry, no matter how old we get, we still fail at reading comprehension every now and then

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sour pewter
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how do this

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faint verge
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$^3\sqrt$

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faint verge
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cube root is equivalent to taking everything to the power of 1/3

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so:

sour pewter
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but how does it turn into x^3 sqrt x

faint verge
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i think thats x cuberoot x

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since x^4 becomes x^(4/3)

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= x^1 time x^(1/3)

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i.e. x times cuberoot x

sour pewter
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sorry im not following

faint verge
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this

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is $x \times \sqrt[3]x$

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George

faint verge
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George

faint verge
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so when we take cuberoot of x^4, we divide the exponent by 3 = x^(4/3) = x^(3/3) times x^(1/3)

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= x times cuberoot x which is what is written

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is that ok?

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mystic saffron
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anyone got a clue on how i would go about disproving this

fringe bough
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Intuitively you could choose some subset of B\A and show that that subset is infinite

mystic saffron
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that's smart

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i forgot u could do that

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btw

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i dont understand why i need to show a bijection for this

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are ther not only 2 roots of z^2 ?

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would A not just have 2 elements...

fringe bough
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A contains both square roots of each negative integer

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z^2 = -n, but n can be any natural number

mystic saffron
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oh i thought when it said for some n it means a fixed n

fringe bough
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No, but they could have made it more clear by just using a comma rather than "for some"

mystic saffron
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yea cz normally when u say for some u normally mean a fixed n in the natural numbers dont u?

fringe bough
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Well, it's that each z is a square root of a particular -n

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for example i is a root of z^2 = -1
and 2i is a root of z^2 = -4

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So those number, i and 2i, are each a root of z^2 = -n for some n

mystic saffron
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icic

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i thought it meant all the z such that the z is a solution to z^2 = -n for some particular n

fringe bough
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I'd maybe interpret it that way if "for some n in N" was outside the set brackets

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like, "This set A exists for some n in N"

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but instead it's in the formulation of z

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so it's like, "z has to satisfy this condition for some n in N"

mystic saffron
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ok i found the bijection

mystic saffron
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the some completely threw me off 😭

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yeah, I agree it would be a bit more clear with just a comma

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legit that's a 7 mark qu too

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am i doing this right?

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noble palm
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but if the set was {2,3,5} you'd be right (im assuming P means prime)

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oh ok

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i mean theres diferent definitions

strange drum
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the fancy P

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idk how to write it

noble palm
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which one j curious

strange drum
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none

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damnn

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if P does mean positive integers, you're fine though

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but you dont necessarily need to specify it's positive because you already implied that by saying x>1

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just need that it's an integer after that point

strange drum
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oh

strange drum
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universe | rule

noble palm
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theres multiple ways to go about it

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sometimes you can have the universe be a larger set

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and the restriction will make the set stay the same

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like {x in Z | x>1 and x<6} also works

strange drum
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in?

noble palm
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$\epsilon$

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noble palm
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same as element of

strange drum
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i did that tho

noble palm
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your thing certainly works

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i just want to say that we could also set the universe as the integers as well

strange drum
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Z wouldnt work

noble palm
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why?

strange drum
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it includes negatives

noble palm
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yeah but your condition of x>1 excludes negatives

strange drum
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so it works?

noble palm
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yeah, theres often not just one way to build sets

strange drum
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oh

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im new so idk

noble palm
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just a nice fact to know

strange drum
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lemme try b

noble palm
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alr

strange drum
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oh

strange drum
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right?

noble palm
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almost but not quite

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cuz 10^x doesnt really mean anything here

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in ur condition

strange drum
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oh

noble palm
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im not sure if your teacher taught u this yet but you can also specify that x is an element of Set on the right side of the |

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for example {2x|x in P}

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would mean all the even positive integers

strange drum
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so like

noble palm
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so you could put 10^x at the left of the | instead of the right

strange drum
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b) { 10^x | x element of P }
how do i set bounds

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or like add rules

noble palm
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i have to go now so (b) ||{10^x|x in P and 1<=x<=4}
and (c) {x in P | x only has two divisors}||

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How the hell do I solve this number 7. And the answer is 176ft, how do I get there at all

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soo

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im in calc 3 and all the problems on this homework have been extremly easy up to this one

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a bird flies from its nest 3km in the direction of 60 degrees north of east where it stops to rest on a tree it then flies 18km in the direction due southeast and lands atop a telephone pole place an xy coordinate system so that the origin is the birds nest the x axis points east and the y axis points north

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a) at what point is the tree located . B) at what point is the telephone pole located

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i got 0 idea how to do this 🥲

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just use trig, you are given the angles and hypotenuse lengths of triangles basically

south dirge
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my brain is off can ya gimme formula 🥲

leaden widget
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you are in calc 3, you should be very familiar with soh cah toa, that's all it is

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just draw yourself a picture

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this picture looks wrong

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idk how to implement the 17^2 into the identity

dim thicket
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yon want (a+b)^2 = 17^2

silent grail
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its equal to 17^2

potent vessel
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yeah i did that and got b = {-27, 7}

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when i plugged a as 10

silent grail
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$100+2ab+b^2=17^2$

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Vѳrtєx-

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right?

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$100+2(10)b+b^2=17^2$ even better

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Vѳrtєx-

potent vessel
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yeah

silent grail
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$100+20b+b^2=17^2$

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Vѳrtєx-

potent vessel
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yep

night heron
potent vessel
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so then i evaluate the 17^2 and subtract 100

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and then divide by 20?

silent grail
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oh yeah you said 7 and -27

dim thicket
silent grail
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but you're finding the numerical value of 2ab

potent vessel
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yeah i did from the other side but thats what i got

silent grail
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you can also just notice $(a+b)^2=17^2$ so $a+b=17$ or $a+b=-17$

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Vѳrtєx-

potent vessel
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ohhhh

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but how do we find the one numerical value

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is there multiple

silent grail
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do 2 times a times b

dim thicket
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technically it could be both

silent grail
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i think there should be two values

potent vessel
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i looked at the answer key and it said 140 before coming here

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and i was so confused

dim thicket
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but if you want to use that identity to calculate 17^2 using -27 doesnt make sense

silent grail
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that's $2\cdot7\cdot10$

clever fjordBOT
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Vѳrtєx-

silent grail
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2ab

potent vessel
dim thicket
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mathematically there is no reason to, but given the context, using -27 doesnt make sense

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you want to simplify the calculation

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but with b=-27 youd have to calculate 27^2 to calculate 17^2

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making the problem harder

potent vessel
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ok ok

silent grail
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the problem is basically saying "instead of calculating 17^2 you can calculate 10^2+2(10)(7)+7^2"

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which would lowkey take longer but whatever, it could be useful in some other contexts

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ok thank you guys

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surely its quicker than calculating 27^2 thp

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help please

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so i pretty much long divison right

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so 6x^3-5x^2-17x+6

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x-2?

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or do i have to substitute x = 2 into the equation to make it 0

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?

restive delta
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And then use long division to find the other 2 factors

mystic saffron
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so i get 6x^3-5x^2-17x+6 divided by x-2 yea

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after that

restive delta
mystic saffron
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for long division

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6x^3-5x^2-17x+6 divided by x-2

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to find other factors

restive delta
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Yes

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Divide it to get a quadratic

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And then you'd have to factorise the quadratic to find other two factors

mystic saffron
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yk for a how would i work it out

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do i just write substiituite x = 2 into f(x)?

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or substitute g(x) = 2 into f(x)

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i think last one yea

restive delta
mystic saffron
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thats showing its a factor tho right

restive delta
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Yes

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But to find remaining two factors

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Use long division

mystic saffron
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so i write substitute g(x) = 2 into f(x) to find factor yea

restive delta
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You mean to write it as
6(g(x))³-5(g(x))²-17(g(x))+6 = 0?

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By substituting x=g(x)?

mystic saffron
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for working out i just wrote substitute g(x)=2 into f(x) to find

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yea

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g(x) into f(x)

restive delta
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What did you get after that

mystic saffron
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i got 0

restive delta
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Yes

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By substituting x=2 you'll only prove the first part

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Which is that x-2 is a factor

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But now divide the given polynomial by (x-2)

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Using long division

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i got 6x^2+7x-3

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that right or nah

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determine convergence or divergence with direct test

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idk what to conpare it to

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For big enough n

lone mural
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$\frac{1}{n!} < \frac{1}{n(n-1)}$

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dabbingpotato

lone mural
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$\frac{1}{n!} > \frac{1}{n(n-1)}$

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dabbingpotato

lone mural
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why wouldn't itbe this

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oh wait

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okay thx

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and we know that 1/n(n-1) is convergent because limit test to 1/n^2

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You're welcome

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claim

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LOL

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don't occupy a help channel for this

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if you have a math question, ask it

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lets you bypass chegg

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anyone prolly close chat

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Wait what

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How was I able to close

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could you work your domain magic

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and help me in 7

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🥺

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mb

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@obsidian plover please either post a specific math question here or close the channel

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Need help with this one

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I guess I could rewrite 81 as 9•9, 72 as 9•8, 24 as 8•3 and 36 as 9•4?

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so I'm looking at some class notes and I dont understand why she added pi to theta

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$\tan(\theta)$ is periodic with a period of $\pi$, so $\tan(\theta+\pi) = \tan(\theta) = \tan(\theta + 2\pi) = \tan(\theta + k\pi)$ for any integer $k$

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how is this not transitive?

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silver thicket
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i checked ab, bc, and cd but i think i am doing it wrong

wooden python
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(b,d) ∈ R, (d,c) ∈ R, but (b,c) ∉ R.

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thats one counterexample i saw immediately

silver thicket
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oh, im supposed to check basically every group of 3 ?

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i thought they had to be consecutive like abc

wooden python
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no

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their names don't matter

silver thicket
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is the easiest way to do this, then, to just look for the Y's and check?

wooden python
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for transitivity, the property (x,y) ∈ R & (y,z) ∈ R => (x,z) ∈ R has to hold for every possible trio of x, y and z

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and for explicitly given relations like this idt there is any easier way than brute force

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When we are using Lagrange multipliers to calculate the maxima and minima can this constant “lambda” be 0 in grad f = lambda grad g

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If lambda is zero then you're ignoring the constraint

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So no

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I'm supposed to prove if a is a unit and b is a zero divisor then ab is a zero divisor (in Zn)

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but I'm confused because I think I've proven it without using the fact that a is a unit at all

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so I;m wondering if I have glossed over something and I was hoping someone would let me know

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since b is a zero divisor, then there is a d such that b!=0 and d!=0 but bd=[0]

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then a(bd)=a(0)=0=(ab)d

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and thus, since d!=0 ab is a zero divisor

low locust
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well, ab could be zero already

desert marlin
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oh right I have to show ab!=0

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okay I know that b!=0 already

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a is a unit so there is some x where ax=[1]

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if a is 0 then 0x=0 != [1]?

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is that all

low locust
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well then a isnt zero

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but why is ab not zero

desert marlin
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if ab=0 then a=0 or b=0

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but b isn't 0

low locust
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no

desert marlin
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and a isn't 0

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no?

low locust
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mod n doesnt have the zero divisor property

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b is literally a zero divisor. bd=0 even tho b and d arent zero

desert marlin
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yeah

low locust
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the problem is that a could be another such number d

desert marlin
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why's that a problem

low locust
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well then ab would be zero

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even tho a and b arent

desert marlin
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oh if a congruent d mod n

low locust
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no, not only then

desert marlin
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when

low locust
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zero divisors dont come in pairs

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for example if n=12 and b=6, then d could be 2 or 4 or 6 or 8 or 10

desert marlin
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I see

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Okay so here's what I know

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there is some x such that ax=1 there is some d such that bd=0 (b not 0, d not 0)

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I want to show there is a y, such that (ab)y=0

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let's times axbd=0*1

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ab(xd)=0

low locust
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and you want to show that ab isnt zero already

desert marlin
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but I need to show that ab not 0 and xd not 0

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d is not 0, if x was 0 then ax couldn't be 1

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so xd not 0

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now I need to show ab isn't 0

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a isn't 0

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b isn't 0

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but maybe still ab is..

low locust
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intuitively speaking, if a is a unit, then we can divide by it

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so from ab=0 we would get b=0

desert marlin
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?

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what

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we can divide

low locust
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just like in the real numbers

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multiplying by a^-1 is the same as "dividing" by a

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thats what division is

desert marlin
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a^(-1) = x ?

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ab=0

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abx=0x

low locust
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just like subtraction is adding with (-a)

desert marlin
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(ax)b=0

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1b=0

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b=0

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contradiction

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so ab not 0

low locust
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yes

desert marlin
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one more thing though

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just because

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x not 0 and d not 0

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how do we know that xd not 0

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it could be the same thing

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with ab

low locust
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x is a unit again

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but you dont actually need xd

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your first attempt was fine

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(ab)d=0

desert marlin
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what

low locust
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you just needed to argue that ab isnt zero

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thats all you left out

desert marlin
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but is xd fine

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I like it better this way

low locust
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it still works, yes. imo its not as nice but thats subjective

desert marlin
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tbh

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XD

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xd

low locust
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and like you said, you would again have to show that xd isnt zero

desert marlin
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if xd=0

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axd=a0

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1d=0

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d=0

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contradiction

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Okay ty again Denascite

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🐺 🌲

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.reopen

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desert marlin
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.reunlcose

low locust
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exercise: try showing that if a isnt a zero divisor in Z_n, then it is a unit

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hint, consider the function f(x)=ax

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(this works in every finite ring, not just Z_n)

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lcose

desert marlin
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if a is not a zero divisor in Zn

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then there is no b not 0 such that ab=0

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then

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n does not divide ab

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for all b

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then a=1

low locust
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try working just with ring properties

desert marlin
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okay that's not really an attempt

desert marlin
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,ti austinu

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oh wow austin wants to go to bed

desert marlin
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XD

low locust
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thats a new one

desert marlin
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f(x)=ax

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is never 0

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so

low locust
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well its zero for x=0

desert marlin
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oh

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right

low locust
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what properties of functions could you check

desert marlin
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derivatives and whatnot

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vertical line test

low locust
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well ok derivatives make no sense over general rings

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how is that more formally known?

desert marlin
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well

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for any x in the domain

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geez idk how to say it

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only 1 output

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per input

low locust
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I mean the technical term for a function that passes the vertical line test

desert marlin
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in the domain

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a function

low locust
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surely you know that term

desert marlin
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perhaps it is

low locust
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ah fuck

desert marlin
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wait

low locust
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sry I was thinking horizontal line test

desert marlin
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give me 1 second

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oh horizontal line test

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that's not injective

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if f(x1)=f(x2) then x1=x2

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so if it passes then it is injective

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i think

low locust
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ok

desert marlin
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I've never done the horizontal line test

low locust
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is our function injective?

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you have never checked whether a function is injective or surjective?

desert marlin
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I have but not by graphing

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Just by algebra and my marvelous mind

low locust
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yeah I dont mean to graph here

desert marlin
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okay so

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if

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ax=ay

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then

low locust
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graphing over Z_n would be weird anyway

desert marlin
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x=y

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if

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a^-1 exists

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and

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if a is a unit

low locust
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well you dont know that yet

desert marlin
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it does

low locust
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you know that a is not a zero divisor

desert marlin
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okay well if a is a unit then we're injective

low locust
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you want to show that a is a unit

desert marlin
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so perhaps I need to show that our function is injective

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some other way

low locust
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yes

desert marlin
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can I be cheeky and say it's linear so it has to be?

low locust
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no

desert marlin
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hm

low locust
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that doesnt work for example with 2x in Z_12

desert marlin
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oh I didn't know is our function over the integers?

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how peculiar

low locust
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from Z_n to Z_n

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or generally, from our ring to itself

desert marlin
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suppose f(x)=ax is not injective

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then there exists y, z such that f(y)=f(z) but y!=z

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then ay=az

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but y!=z

low locust
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yes

desert marlin
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then

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uh

low locust
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how could you rearrange that

desert marlin
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ay-az=0

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a(y-z)=0

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a is a zero divisor

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NO GOOD

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I win

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thus our function is injective

low locust
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yes

desert marlin
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and thus a is a unit

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from earlier

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that was kinda fun

low locust
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well no

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not that fast

desert marlin
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damint

low locust
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we showed that if a is a unit, then the function is injective

desert marlin
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no longer having fun

low locust
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you cant just use the other direction

desert marlin
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if the function is injective I must prove a is a unit

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okay

low locust
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what do you know about injective and surjective

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over a finite set

desert marlin
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That's pretty vague

low locust
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yes

desert marlin
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f(x1)=f(x2) => x1=x2

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well

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if it is a set

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you can't have two elements that are the same

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so f(x1) never equal f(x2) if it is injective

low locust
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so if f:A->A and A has n elements, how many elements does the image need to have

desert marlin
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ah

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I did this before I think

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n

low locust
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I hope you did

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thats what I based the exercise on

desert marlin
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haha

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so what's your point about the image

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it has the same amount of elements as our domain

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being n

low locust
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yes

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and the image is also a subset of A. which again has n elements

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so therefore the image ... ?

desert marlin
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is A?

low locust
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yes

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so our function is also surjective

desert marlin
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bijective

low locust
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yes. in general, for a function f:A->A with A finite, its equivalent that: f is injective, f is surjective, f is bijective

desert marlin
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so since 1 is in Zn ther e has tobe an element that makes ap=1

low locust
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another exercise, show that this isnt true for infinite A

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yes

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exactly

desert marlin
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lol

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my definition of bijective

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was

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if it is surjective

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and injective

low locust
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yes

desert marlin
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so idk what ur other exercise is about

low locust
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that is the definition

desert marlin
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oh I see

low locust
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mostly that injective and surjective arent equivalent

desert marlin
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I thought you were asking me to prove that

low locust
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if A is infinite

desert marlin
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if f:A->A is injective and surjective but A is infinite then f isn't bijective

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and I was like huh

low locust
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good anyway

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now you can go to bed 😛

desert marlin
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The world needs more Denascites

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I wish u were my algebra teacher

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thanks

low locust
desert marlin
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No

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you'd introduce rings faster than week3

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otherwise

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I might take back everything nice I ever said about you

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for boring me so much

low locust
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well I would do quite a bit of other stuff before probably

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with groups

desert marlin
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alright then I can conclude that u r definitely not my teacher

low locust
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or maybe I lied

desert marlin
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we didn't even do euclidean algorithm

low locust
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not yet I assume. but you definitely need it to find inverses in Z_n

desert marlin
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why not yet

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we did division algorithm

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it should've been next :(

low locust
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🤷‍♂️

desert marlin
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But I was feeling pretty smart when we were doin euclids lemma and I was like yeah shes gonna do bezouts next

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and then she did bezouts

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and I was like yeah prime factorization is next

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and then it was

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but anyways I should go to bed

low locust
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you should

desert marlin
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Have you ever watched Goodwill Hunting?

low locust
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ages ago, yes

desert marlin
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I just watched it for the first time while doing this HW

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not while u were helping me of course

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🐺

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it's really good

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maybe watch it again idk

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okay bye

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.close

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low locust
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bye

tall veldt
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Bezouts identity?

desert marlin
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gcd

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d

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a,b

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if

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ueah

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linear combination

tall veldt
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Why would she do that and not euclid algorithm

low locust
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.reopen

odd edgeBOT
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low locust
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yeah thats weird

desert marlin
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if d=gcd(a,b) then d=ax+by for some x,y integers

low locust
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ea is how you calculate the solution to bezout

desert marlin
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maybe I'm stupid

low locust
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how else did you even prove it

desert marlin
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Let me look

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uh so we did it by constructing a set

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S={am+bn}

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and using division algorithm and WOP

tall veldt
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But you have no method of finding the a and b?

desert marlin
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I mean Ic an find anything

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personally

tall veldt
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Whack

desert marlin
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except for any zeroes of the riemann zeta functin not having real part 1/2

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can't find those

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one ay

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day

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.reclose

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.reunopen

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.rereclosethechannel

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@odd edge Please close this channel

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useless...

tall veldt
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.solved

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desert marlin
tall veldt
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It's okay you're new

exotic pelican
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Hello guys
I'm trying to find a function that looks like this
I just forgot everything I knew about functions...

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Doesn't have to be exact, something alike then I'll just play with the parameters. Thanks ahead🙂

potent nexus
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Arctan

exotic pelican
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Thanks!

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Hey, how can simplify this?

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wooden python
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do you know Chinese remainder thm

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,w factorize 4147

shrewd anchor
wooden python
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bruh

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💀

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hmm

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bashing will be difficult

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This four-digit number is equal to the product of the sum of its digits multiplied by the square of the sum of the squares of its digits.
What is this mysterious number?

I've tried running all combinations in Python and found two solutions (2023 and 2400). However, my maths teacher gave it to me this morning and said there was a way to solve it analytically