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turbid wing
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(sin x)^(3/2) + (cos x)^(3/2)

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turbid wing
slim cove
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are you allowing complex numbers?

turbid wing
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Real domain

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and real range

slim cove
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Okay

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So you're only working with sin x, cos x ≥ 0?

turbid wing
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the function will repeat after a fixed interval

slim cove
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Yes but like for the domain, it's not all real numbers right

turbid wing
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no

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not all

slim cove
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So only when x is in the first quadrant

turbid wing
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yeah

slim cove
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Hm that's really tricky, what have you tried so far

turbid wing
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I have tried some basic manipulations but didn't make any progress

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wait I'll install discord on my phone and send you the pic

slim cove
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kk

turbid wing
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@slim cove

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don't mind the handwriting

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I tried using a^3 + b^3 too but it got more complex

slim cove
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I was thinking that too, to try to get sin^2 and cos^2 from it but I'm not sure it works

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hmm

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I'm not sure what to do but it might help if you let u = sin^2 x, then the equation becomes y = u^3/4 + (1-u)^3/4 which looks a little easier to deal with

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do you know calculus?

turbid wing
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yes

slim cove
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I would try taking the derivative of that and finding max/mins ^

turbid wing
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you wanna go by differentiation?

slim cove
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Yea

turbid wing
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like

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I could do that

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is there any other way then differentiating?

obtuse pebbleBOT
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@turbid wing Has your question been resolved?

obtuse pebbleBOT
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@turbid wing Has your question been resolved?

turbid wing
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brave bramble
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I think AM-GM can work too

turbid wing
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how will they cancel out each other?

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@brave bramble

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I have got the maxima by derivative. I just need to find the minima now

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I tried calculating f''(x) for minima but its getting complex

slim cove
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I will say, the alternative way is just to plot it on desmos

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xD

turbid wing
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can't do that in exam

slim cove
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Did you check the boundary points?

turbid wing
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yes

slim cove
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You don't need the second derivative

turbid wing
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then?

slim cove
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so there's only one point where the derivative is zero right

turbid wing
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I got the maxima. It is 2^1/4

slim cove
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yup

turbid wing
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yes

slim cove
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so the minima has to occur at the boundaries

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aka when x = 0 or x = pi/2

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etc

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so the minimum is 1

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which.. just graphed it on desmos and it checks out

turbid wing
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can you please tell that how would I know that the minima will be when x=0 or pi/2

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slim cove
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you can plug in both

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and see that both values yield 1

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for the original function

turbid wing
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ah yes and we can't have negative values as the function is inside root

slim cove
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yep!

turbid wing
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ah yes

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thank you so much!

slim cove
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no problem!

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if you find a way to do it without calculus let me know.. but I have no idea how you would do it without calculus

turbid wing
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The guy above said that you can find using AM-GM

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but I guess we would only get the minima using AM-GM

turbid wing
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split marsh
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split marsh
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what should the answer look like? C'(x)= 1-S'

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but i dont know what to do

forest sinew
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whats the relationship between these two margins

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quiet ingot
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i am stuck on this math problem. i don’t understand it at all

quiet ingot
tardy epoch
quiet ingot
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like this?

tardy epoch
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That doesn't look like a graph

quiet ingot
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oh shoot my bad. how do i get to the graph to plot the points

cyan pagoda
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the rightmost button on the clauclator

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this is a ti 84 right?

quiet ingot
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yes

cyan pagoda
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yeah i believe its the rightmost button on the first row

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should be maybe graph or something?>

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idk

quiet ingot
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it pulled up a graph and it’s just blank. i tried pressing multiple buttons but nothing is happening to the graph

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this is my calculator

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what do i do

cyan pagoda
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click graph

quiet ingot
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i did

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that’s the screen that’s in the picture

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fossil rampart
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fossil rampart
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Can I get some insight on this?

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I know it diverges via the integral test and I know it isn't the nth term test

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so A has to be the answer, as it doesn't converge

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I feel like that wouldn't be a good comparison given there is some terms where 1/2n is bigger than the function and some smaller

royal basin
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are there now

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are you sure this isn't a case of "the inequality fails at finitely many points but no more"

slim cove
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the only thing that matters is that 1/2n is smaller in the long term

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you can show this by taking the difference between 1/2n and (8/n - 8/n^2)

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do you know how to calculate $$\frac1{2n} - \left(\frac8n - \frac8{n^2}\right)$$

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

fossil rampart
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so because 1/2n is smaller than the function given it can be compared or?

slim cove
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okay so the first step is to put things in a common denominator

royal basin
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there is in fact precisely one point where your inequality fails.

slim cove
obsidian isle
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how do you get desmos to do dots

royal basin
slim cove
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which is the only thing that matters for convergence/divergence

fossil rampart
royal basin
obsidian isle
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just send a screenshot of your input or smth

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if you wouldn't mind

slim cove
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it's literally just what she said lol

royal basin
obsidian isle
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oh i see. that's really useful

fossil rampart
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There is a good reason I plan on going through a proof based basic math book after this course

royal basin
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i mean like, you do still need to know your way around algebra

slim cove
fossil rampart
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took me like 40 hours to do the cylindrical shell homework being dumb

slim cove
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your task is to show that for n > 1, this is negative

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and therefore 1/2n < 8/n - 8/n^2

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which means the comparison test can be used

royal basin
# fossil rampart yeah

then why mislead us by saying you don't know fraction arithmetic when you clearly do know a nonzero amount thereof :p

fossil rampart
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1/2n - 8n-8/n^2 = n/2n^2 - 2(8n-8)/2n^2

slim cove
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yep!

royal basin
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missing parentheses

slim cove
fossil rampart
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srsly no clue how i have over a 90 in cal 2 rn

slim cove
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tbh if you're struggling on things like that, khanacademy helps

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you can just grind away practice on random skills

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I spent a lot of time doing that as a kid so I could get the leaf points on my account xD

fossil rampart
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I didn't go to highschool so that is where I learned my piecemeal algebra skills to test into cal 1

slim cove
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khan academy is all of our heroes

fossil rampart
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90% of the entry test was just weird trig questions

slim cove
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ahh trig questions they're so annoying

fossil rampart
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anyways I think I got why it's an acceptable test, much appreciated math homies

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vague mural
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hey im curious on what i did wrong in my equation why do i get a different result

vague mural
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ik i didnt follow the same formula they did but i thought i did everything legally with the rules of math

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also sorry for the neck tilt

slim cove
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,rotate

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dang it

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lol

warm shaleBOT
vague mural
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almost

slim cove
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ayyy

vague mural
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ayyeee

slim cove
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oh okay

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the problem is that

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wait is that a one or an L

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I can't tell sorry

vague mural
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L

slim cove
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kk

vague mural
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naw i didnt emphasize it

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dw

slim cove
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so the problem is that when you multiplied $m$ on both sides to $$L = \frac{125}m + 50n$$

vague mural
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and correct answer is the one that showed up

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

vague mural
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when i got it wrong

slim cove
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you should have $$m(L) = m\left(\frac{125}m + 50n\right)$$

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

slim cove
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and then you need to distribute the m to both terms properly on the right

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so it should be $$Lm = 125 + 50mn$$

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

slim cove
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Does that make sense

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you just missed the m next to the n

vague mural
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u have to do that?

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wait u have to multiply the whole right side?

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not just the part your doing

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so if i did multiply into n what would that solution look like

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could i get that equal to the correct answer

slim cove
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yep you have to multiply the m to the wholeee right side

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you should be able to get that into the correct answer yea, I haven't tried tho

vague mural
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im gonna try, if i get a different answer ill regroup here and crank ur neck another 90*

slim cove
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kk

vague mural
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i tried turning my camera i think i made it worse

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um yeah but i didnt get the right answer

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my guess is when i divided the left side by 50 and m something went wrong

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,rotate

warm shaleBOT
vague mural
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W moment

slim cove
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hmm

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oh okay

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yeah you can't split up the fraction like that

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it should be that $$\frac{Lm - 125}{50m} = \frac{Lm}{50m} - \frac{125}{50m} = \frac{L}{50} - \frac{5}{2m}$$

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

slim cove
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does that make sense?

vague mural
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yes

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but tbh

slim cove
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👍

vague mural
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the dividing 50 off n and m off n is weird

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why would you combine them afterward

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i thought u might need to do LM-125/50/m

slim cove
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wait sorry which step are you talking about

vague mural
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the m and the 50

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dividing that off of n

slim cove
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so do you mean when we had $$Lm - 125 = 50nm$$

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

slim cove
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and we divided 50m

vague mural
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yes

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becase we are dividing by 50 and m

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in my mind not 50m

slim cove
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ohh

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yeah you can do it in two steps like that

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and it's no problem

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So like

vague mural
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would stuff/50/m still be the same as stuff/50m

slim cove
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first divide by 50

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yep!

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so (stuff/50)/m is the same as (stuff/m)/50 which is the same as stuff/(50m)

vague mural
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which would you do first of the division sets

slim cove
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it doesn't matter

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you can divide by 50 first and m second

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or you can divide by m first and 50 second

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the beauty of math is that it all works out :)

vague mural
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but at the end of the day wouldnt 50m have multiplication so its not the same as dividing by m or 50?

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like litterally the fact it has multiplication in it

slim cove
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let me show you with some numbers

vague mural
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or does it not matter that they look different

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alr

slim cove
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so you agree that $$24 = 2\cdot3\cdot4$$ right

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

vague mural
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yes

slim cove
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okay so let's try all three methods we discussed before

vague mural
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alr

slim cove
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so let's try dividing by 2 and then dividing by 4

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then $$12 = 3\cdot4$$ and $$3 = 3$$ so it all works out perfectly fine

vague mural
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24 dividing that by 2 and 4?

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

slim cove
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yep!

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so like I just take my equation and divide it by 2

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and then divide it by 4

vague mural
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wait so

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this shows after 24/2

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huh

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can you show the whole equation of ur example?

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ohhhhhhh

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so its just bringing that up to eachother

slim cove
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yep so like we can also divide by both 2 and 4 at the same time

vague mural
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man thats wild

slim cove
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so if we do $$\frac{24}{2\cdot4} = \frac{2 \cdot 3 \cdot 4}{2\cdot4}$$ then we get $$\frac{24}{8} = 3$$ which is also correct!

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math is so wild!!

warm shaleBOT
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Eric Tao

vague mural
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thats hard to wrap my mind arround and normally i wouldnt belive it but numbers indeed dont lie

slim cove
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it can take time :)

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it's very cool though

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dividing by (two numbers multiplied together) is the same as dividing by both of them separately

vague mural
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oh and thats because you do (stuff)/(stuff2)?

slim cove
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yep!

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exactly

vague mural
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man

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im sad i didnt pay attention in clas

slim cove
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hahahaha

vague mural
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this stuff is so cool

slim cove
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it's okay

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you have many future classes I bet :)

vague mural
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yeah i got college after this year

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so hopefully every1 else also didnt focus about anything in school

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now is my time to get ahead

slim cove
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yes! good luck mate

vague mural
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🏇 🏇 🏇 🏇

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alright but ty

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thats super dope

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light sand
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Can I have help in 3

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near grail
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Help me pls someone

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primal wadi
near grail
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Yeah

primal wadi
near grail
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Nope

primal wadi
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i see

wooden cipher
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i think a better question is do you know what b is?

primal wadi
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what laws do you know for parallel lines

near grail
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I think it asking both

primal wadi
near grail
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I think so

wooden cipher
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well yeah, but we can start with whichever is easier, and b is easier

near grail
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Ok then b it is

primal wadi
wooden cipher
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b+56=90

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so like

primal wadi
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first

wooden cipher
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do you not need it for a as well

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anyway we can start with a

primal wadi
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a+56=180 for parallel lines

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no need to deal with right angles

primal wadi
near grail
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a+56=180
a=180-56
a=123

wooden cipher
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try that calculation again

near grail
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??

wooden cipher
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180-56

near grail
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I used a calculator

wooden cipher
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??

near grail
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It says 124

wooden cipher
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there you go

near grail
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But then what about the top one

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Need that one too

wooden cipher
near grail
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Interior?

wooden cipher
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err not quite

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corresponding is more useful

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since we know the corresponding angles

near grail
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??

wooden cipher
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<BAE corresponds with <DCE

near grail
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Corresponding angle can be used to find b?

wooden cipher
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i thought we are looking for the top one right now

near grail
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b+90+56=180

wooden cipher
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well yeah

near grail
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Ok

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Just need to get a and b will be a piece of cake

wooden cipher
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yeah you already found a and b is set up

near grail
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How do I find a??

wooden cipher
near grail
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???

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But then what about the top angle??

wooden cipher
near grail
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Kind of

wooden cipher
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corresponding angles have the same value, do you get that part?

near grail
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Yeah

wooden cipher
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if i cut your photo like this, does it look like the diagram that qwerty sent?

near grail
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Using corresponding can find answer to b

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Yeah

wooden cipher
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the two angles correspond as well

near grail
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So the top is 90?

wooden cipher
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yup

near grail
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But why don't they mark it down on the book

wooden cipher
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otherwise its easier to find b

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since you can just look at the triangle ABE and find the other angle

near grail
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a=34?

wooden cipher
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no a=124

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since it is 180-56

near grail
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Ok

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B=34 right?

wooden cipher
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yes

near grail
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Now this one I really don't know how to do it

wooden cipher
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we have a set of parallel lines

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do you know which ones?

near grail
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Yeah it very hard to see it

wooden cipher
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do you know which property of parallel lines we can use here?

near grail
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Next to 3c

wooden cipher
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heres the image

near grail
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Corresponding

wooden cipher
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ah not quite

near grail
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Alternate?

wooden cipher
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actually its interior

near grail
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Ok

wooden cipher
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looks like this

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whats the property of interior angles?

near grail
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Yeah I see it now

wooden cipher
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so what is the value of c

near grail
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3c+4c=5c

wooden cipher
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you have to be a little more specific

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interior angles are different from the other two

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so its not that one equals the other

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they sum to 180

near grail
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Ohhhh

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3c+4c+5c=180

wooden cipher
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yes

near grail
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Hold up let me ask me teacher if I learned this in the first term

wooden cipher
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if you dont mind me asking, wht country do live in

near grail
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You first

wooden cipher
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it kinda struck me that youre asking the teacher late at night in the US lol

near grail
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Bruh

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I'm in China

wooden cipher
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ah got it

near grail
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But I'm not fully Chinese

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Just some guy at 3 am ask his teacher will this one question be in the examsotrue sotrue

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Let's just continue

wooden cipher
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ok

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so what is the value of c

near grail
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12c?

wooden cipher
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12c=?

near grail
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180

wooden cipher
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alright, so c=?

near grail
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Right?

wooden cipher
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yes

near grail
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168????

wooden cipher
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that is c+12
we need 12c=180

near grail
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15

wooden cipher
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yup!

near grail
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Wut!!

wooden cipher
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so now we need to figure out d

near grail
wooden cipher
near grail
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Alright give me a sec to write it down

wooden cipher
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ok

near grail
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Done

wooden cipher
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ok so now we need d

near grail
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@wooden cipher do you play any games??

wooden cipher
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like board games, fps, chess?

near grail
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Mobile

wooden cipher
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ah no

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well a lil clash royale, but i dont do it often

near grail
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I play clash royale

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And clash of clans

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You play clash of clans??

wooden cipher
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no

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just a little clash royale

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i spend most of my time on youtube

near grail
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You wanna add me??

wooden cipher
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anyway can we finish the problem

near grail
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Ok

wooden cipher
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sorry but im getting tired

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do you have any ideas on how to get d?

near grail
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d+2d+15=180

wooden cipher
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not quite

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we first need to figure out the angle ACB

near grail
wooden cipher
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we actually know that BCD is a straight line so lets use that

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ill do that later

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im on laptop rn

near grail
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Ok

wooden cipher
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so BCD is a straight line, how can we use that to find ACB?

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can we finish the problem please

near grail
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Ok

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Just in case you fall asleep on your laptop

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BCD is a straight line

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Hmmmmm

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How do we find the top of D

wooden cipher
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thats not necessary

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but its 180-4c-5c

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since it makes a triangle

near grail
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Ok

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b=180-4-5-15

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b=156

wooden cipher
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what is the value of c?

daring steppe
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What are we solving for?

near grail
wooden cipher
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we are trying to solve for d

daring steppe
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Sorry to interrupt

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Ohh

proven zephyr
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the top pic?

wooden cipher
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do you know how to do it, i have to get ready for bed

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yes the top pic

near grail
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Top one

proven zephyr
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ok so first of all...

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do you understand algebra

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cuz yesterday you didnt

near grail
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This is what I've done so far for the top one

proven zephyr
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ok so you already got c

near grail
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Yeah

proven zephyr
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find angle ACB

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BCD is a straight line

near grail
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yeah

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Is the answer
d=156

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180-4-5-15

proven zephyr
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what

daring steppe
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Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how do you know 3c + 4c +5c = 180

near grail
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@wooden cipher told me

daring steppe
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Uhhhh

proven zephyr
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so you dont understand?

proven zephyr
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do you know how the top D's angle is 3c?

near grail
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Really??

proven zephyr
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wait you dont know that?

near grail
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Nope

proven zephyr
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so.. you dont understand how you got 3c + 4c +5c = 180

near grail
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So it's
d+2d+3c=180

proven zephyr
near grail
proven zephyr
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BCD is a straight line and angle ACD is given

near grail
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Uhh huh

proven zephyr
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ok lemme just give you an example

near grail
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Ok I like examples

proven zephyr
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find x

near grail
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180-60

proven zephyr
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yes

near grail
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120

proven zephyr
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yes

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now find x

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with the same steps

daring steppe
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I got c=d

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Is that correct?

near grail
proven zephyr
near grail
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x+3+15=180

proven zephyr
near grail
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C=15

proven zephyr
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ok you might want to do the algebra course in the app you have

daring steppe
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Ok so the entire thing must be 180, so what’s x

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I’m terns of c

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Terms

near grail
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Can you give me the set up??

daring steppe
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Yeah the set up is above

daring steppe
near grail
proven zephyr
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ok so @near grail

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you know that x = 180-60 right?

near grail
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Yeah

proven zephyr
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so what is this

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x =?

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how

near grail
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120

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Their both the same

proven zephyr
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no they're not

near grail
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....

daring steppe
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Ok, just generalize it, imagine instead of 60, there was any angle, next to x. If 180 is the entire thing and 3c is the part we DONT want. What is x

near grail
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c?

daring steppe
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Uhh

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Not exactly

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It’s 180-3c

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You should be able to do it yourself, but do you at least understand why?

near grail
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Oh yeah

daring steppe
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Ok

near grail
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After this one I'm gonna eat

daring steppe
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Can you solve for x?

near grail
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x=180-6y

daring steppe
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Yes!

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Ok

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So do you know how the sum of all angles in a triangle = 180

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?

near grail
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Yeah

proven zephyr
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additional information:

daring steppe
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Solve x

near grail
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Interior

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x=180-2d-d

daring steppe
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Good! Simplify!

near grail
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well my teacher that one letter is 1

daring steppe
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?

near grail
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Nvm

daring steppe
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So what does it simplify to?

near grail
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x=178

daring steppe
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d is not equal to 1

near grail
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Nvm that

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My brain malfunctioned

daring steppe
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Ok, so I want to know your thought process. Why do you think x=178

near grail
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Because we tryna find x not d

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So leave the d and then it's 2

daring steppe
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That’s not how variables work

near grail
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Oh

daring steppe
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You can’t just set a variable equal to 1

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You need to find x in terms of d

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Just like we did before with c and y

near grail
daring steppe
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Do you understand? I can go over it again

near grail
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Yes pls

daring steppe
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I think you need a bit more help with fundamental algebra than geometry though

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Ok if I said x+y=180

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How would you solve for x?

near grail
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x=180-y

daring steppe
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Yes

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Exactly

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So we know all angles in a triangle sum to 180 right?

near grail
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Yeah

daring steppe
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So d+2d+x=180 right?

near grail
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Yeah

daring steppe
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So solve for x

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Just like before

near grail
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x=180-2d-d

daring steppe
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Correct. Can you simplify that?

near grail
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Idk how do I just subtract 2 from 180??

daring steppe
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You don’t

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Ok let’s do something different

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simplify 2x+3x

near grail
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5x

daring steppe
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Ok now simplify 180-2d-d

near grail
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178d

daring steppe
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Uhh

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How did you get that

near grail
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Idk

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I'm dumb

daring steppe
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It’s 180-3d

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Do you understand why?

near grail
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180-(2d+d)

daring steppe
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Yes

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Exactly

near grail
daring steppe
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Ok so do you understand everything so far?

near grail
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Yeah....

daring steppe
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Ok

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Now consider a new part of the original figure

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Notice any relationships?

near grail
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3d and 3c??

daring steppe
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Well yea. But what equations can you make, given a straight line is 180 degrees

near grail
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180-3d-3c

daring steppe
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You might want to check your work on that, it is very close

near grail
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180-6d-3c

daring steppe
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Where did you get 6d from

near grail
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d+2d+3d

daring steppe
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Where did you get 3d from

near grail
daring steppe
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That says minus 3d, you can’t just ignore the sign

near grail
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Hmmmmmm

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Idk

daring steppe
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180-3d+3c=180

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By the straight line

near grail
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Ohhhh

daring steppe
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Do you see it

near grail
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I do now that you mentioned it

daring steppe
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Now this is simple algebra

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Can you find a relationship between c and d

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?

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Using this formula

near grail
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One's plus and one's minus??

daring steppe
#

Well yes. But can you solve for d in terms of c

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Just like before with x and c and y

near grail
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I'm gonna eat my food real quick

daring steppe
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Ok

near grail
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Will u still be here?

daring steppe
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Yes

near grail
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Ok thanks

daring steppe
near grail
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Ok I'm done

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@daring steppe you there

daring steppe
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Yes

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Ok so, 180-3d+3c=180

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Solve d in terms of c

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Just like before with x and c and 6y

near grail
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3d=180-180+3c

daring steppe
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Yea

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Now simplify the numbers

near grail
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3d=3c

daring steppe
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What happened to the c?

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You can’t just stop using variables, they must stay through the entire equation

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Oh ok

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So now

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What can you conclude about c and d

near grail
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d=3c÷3

daring steppe
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Yes

near grail
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d=1c

daring steppe
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So c=d! Right?

near grail
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Yeah

daring steppe
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Nice

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So if c equals d, if we find c, we find d too right?

near grail
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d=15

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Hey can you type in the whole thing for me pls

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Like how to write it down

daring steppe
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what do you mean by that

near grail
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Like ummmm

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Nvm

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Idk

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So the base is d+2d+3c=180

daring steppe
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Yes

near grail
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Ok

daring steppe
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I have to go, I hope you understand now! Bye!

near grail
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Thanks for your help

daring steppe
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No problem!

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Guys someone explain me whats happening in this

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$\sum_{i = b}^{a} p_i$

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warm shaleBOT
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alijfri99

versed gale
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Suppose a summation like this where b is less than a

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Does this summation evaluate to zero or is it undefined?

oblique light
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Think of it like code

versed gale
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Oops sorry I made a mistake in my question

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b is more than a

oblique light
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,w Σ_(n=5)^3 n

versed gale
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But maybe that's how the code to that program was written?

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As in, it creates an initial variable with value zero and then runs a for loop and returns the variable in the end, but the for loop never runs in this case and so zero is returned?

oblique light
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i = b;
sum = 0;
while (i<=a):
sum += p_i;
i++
print(sum)

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Yeah thats basically exactly what the sigma notation does as well

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It is code

versed gale
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Yeah I did think of it in terms of loops too, but I thought maybe this one is a special case in math

oblique light
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0 has a special meaning here

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Zero is the additive identity, and is equal to the sum of no addends

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1 is the multiplicative identity, and is equal to the product of no factors

versed gale
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True

oblique light
#

In more advanced contexts we actually forgo this summation over integers with upper and lower bounds and can just sum over sets of elements

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So let's rewrite your sum as a set

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$\sum\limits_{i \in \mathbb{Z} : {b \leq i \leq a}} p_i$

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Please format correctly

warm shaleBOT
oblique light
#

As we can see should b>a we have the empty set

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So yeah thats pretty cool isnt it

versed gale
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Yeah

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It is indeed

oblique light
#

Post more Induction problems in music server now

versed gale
#

Actually, I was going to say

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This happened as part of an induction problem

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kekw

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I think the problem with the false induction proof is that P(0) does not imply P(1)

oblique light
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Lmao

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What exactly are we summing

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What is P(0)

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2+3+4+...0

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Ah now your question makes sense

versed gale
#

$\sum_{i = 2}^{n} i$

warm shaleBOT
#

alijfri99

versed gale
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But yeah P(1) is zero

oblique light
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Yeah I think this is it, faulty base case

versed gale
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The base case is actually correct I think

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More like it's a missing link in the chain of implications

oblique light
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Wait actually, P(1)=0 using our summation, but P(1) = 1 using the derived formula

versed gale
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Yeah that too

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I think that's the same thing logically

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is it though

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Yeah it is

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P(1) is saying that 0 = 1

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So it's false

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But P(0) is true

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So P(0) -> P(1) is in the form T -> F

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Therefore it's false

oblique light
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Yes

versed gale
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Nice

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Thank you

oblique light
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I would say that it's more sleight of hand than anything

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This is a magic trick

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A well-designed one I'll admit

versed gale
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What are you referring to?

oblique light
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Specifically the way in which the expression:
2+3+4+....+n
is treated

versed gale
#

yeah I agree

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the textbook actually warns against writing '...' in such situations, as it says that it can be a source of errors.

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There are also some other funny induction proofs in the chapter with pretty much the same flaw, for example one that says all horses are the same color.

oblique light
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Yeah that's a classic

versed gale
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pog

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See you on the other side kekw

oblique light
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How do i do this? I tried a lot of ways, but i end up with difficult numbers

royal basin
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what do you mean by "do"?

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what are you asked to do with this?

timber lark
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To graph

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And show all the important features

royal basin
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and what difficult numbers are you ending up with exactly

timber lark
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Like square root -13/2

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For x

royal basin
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what are you trying to calculate here?

timber lark
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X and Y

royal basin
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what?

timber lark
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When you want “x” your turn “y” into 0

royal basin
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did you maybe mean the x-intercepts and y-intercepts?

timber lark
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Yeah

royal basin
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calling it "the x" is disingenuous.

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so you were trying to calculate the x-intercepts...

timber lark
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Yeah

royal basin
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well, you should not have gotten sqrt(-13/2).

timber lark
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I know, i cant figure out why

royal basin
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if anything, you should have gotten to (x-2)^2 = -1/3

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did you get to (x-2)^2 = -1/3?

timber lark
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No

royal basin
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then show your work.

timber lark
#

Its quite bad

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The parabola is another thing, dont mind it

royal basin
#

,rccw

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royal basin
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(x-2)^2 ≠ x^2 + 4.

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while the correct expansion would've been x^2 - 4x + 4, you in fact do not need that here.

timber lark
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Oh ok

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What should my steps in solving for “x” be?

royal basin
#

well i would subtract 1 from both sides to get 3(x-2)^2 = -1 and then divide both sides by 3 to get (x-2)^2 = -1/3

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and then say that squares are never negative, so this equation has no (real) solutions.

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and your parabola does not have any x-intercepts.

timber lark
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Oh ok

atomic hornet
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Are you being asked to plot this function?

timber lark
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Yeah

atomic hornet
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Are you familiar with graph transformations?

timber lark
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Yeah

atomic hornet
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Well, you could just imagine y=x^2 and transform it

timber lark
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Let me try

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The y interval is (0 , 13)

atomic hornet
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The +1 is correct, but why have you moved it 3 to the left?

timber lark
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Oh, is it to the right?

atomic hornet
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A transformation of 3f(x) would do… what?

timber lark
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Oh i thought the y=“3”(x-2)^2+1 meant it moved left

atomic hornet
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f(x+a) would move the curve horizontally, af(x) would stretch the curve vertically

timber lark
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Ok

atomic hornet
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So with that in mind, try sketching again

timber lark
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Ok

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Ok its correct, thanks

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How could I do this question?

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lofty jay
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hint: try to express the sin on the lhs in terms of a cos

knotty crow
wanton dagger
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Ok

lofty jay
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thatd be more complicated

wanton dagger
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Yh

timid silo
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hint : sinb=cos(90-b)

timid silo
wanton dagger
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Nope

timid silo
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oh

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ok

wanton dagger
lofty jay
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rewrite the lhs

wanton dagger
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Cos(90-b)=cos(2b-30)?

timid silo
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yes

wanton dagger
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Meaning b=40

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Degrees

timid silo
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be careful here coz cos isn't injective

wanton dagger
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What do you mean by that?

timid silo
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I want to say

that

cos(a)=cos(b)

doesn't necessarly nake

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a=b

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it has infite solutions

wanton dagger
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Oh

timid silo
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we can keep +360*n

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for later

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howevee

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u also need to look into

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other quadrants

wanton dagger
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I see

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For example in quadrant 4 another solution would be 320 degrees

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Ok makes sense now

timid silo
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no

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not 320

wanton dagger
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?

timid silo
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use the fact that cos(360-x)=cos(x)

wanton dagger
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Ok

timid silo
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then it will be more clear

wanton dagger
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Ok I get it now

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What have you tried so far?

obtuse hatch
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i did 5 to the power of 5 but i dont think its right

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"with no repetition"

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ok

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is it 25 or 625

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Hi

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Please don't occupy multiple help channels.

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<@&286206848099549185>

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Bro you already have it open on another channel

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Close this

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Can you help I have been waiting 2 hours

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Can anyone identify where I’m going wrong? I plugged the question in an online calculator and I’m getting a different answer

plucky patio
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The question is the first line

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I get this

timid silo
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c is a constante right?

plucky patio
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You mean +c?

timid silo
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yep

plucky patio
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Idk that’s just smth you add in when you integrate

timid silo
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yeah yeah its constante

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sin(2x) = 2 sin(x) cos(x)

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right?

plucky patio
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yes

timid silo
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$\cos^2(x)=(1+cos(2x))/2$

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timid silo
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u have this too

plucky patio
timid silo
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its constante

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like c

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u mean -3/2

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can you please

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show me the first line

plucky patio
timid silo
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The answer you get $2x-\sin(2x)-\frac{3\cos(2x)}{2}+C$ is totally correct. You just need to use some identities to make the $\cos(2x)$ term becomes the form you want.

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#

bad at maths

timid silo
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Hint: $\cos(2x)=2\cos^2(x)-1$

warm shaleBOT
#

bad at maths

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Yes, but this is what I got when I tried to rewrite the part that didn't correspond

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Got this question "Find the number of degrees in the acute angle formed by a tangent through one vertex and an adjacent side of an inscribed a) square; b) equilateral triangle; c) ... ". But I'm stuck at trying to draw this question on paper, can't decypher what they mean.

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boreal dew
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by substitution: r = R(1-gamma) and h = R * \sqrt(2gamma - gamma^2)

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but i have no clue how to get from a 2D disc to the 3D cone by merging the sides together

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nevermind i found it you have to correlate the initial area of the circle to the size area of the cone

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weak belfry
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weak belfry
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Hi everyone, so I've found 2 values that sin x can be

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however the answer only states 1/3

tranquil arch
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the range of sin(x) is [-1,1]

weak belfry
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oh

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thonking

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oh right

solemn ravine
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sin(x) = 5/2 implies x is complex and i am guessing you are working over the reals

weak belfry
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cus it only go up to 1

solemn ravine
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o someone already answered

weak belfry
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what does x is complex mean

pine sail
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It means, there aren't any real values of x that satisfy your problem.

solemn ravine
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the answer to that question requires quite a bit of explanation

weak belfry
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so what would a not real value be like

solemn ravine
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it has to do with that blue guy's profile picture

pine sail
weak belfry
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:/

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oh

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so it just means

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that it not work

pine sail
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For real numbers, yes it doesn't.

solemn ravine
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IT DOES WORK just not for your purposes

weak belfry
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why

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whats wrong with me

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:(

solemn ravine
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nothing (: u will get to a stage where u will understand soon

weak belfry
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i really hope i dont take math to that level

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lol

solemn ravine
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🥲

weak belfry
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what level is that theory?

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is that like uni stuff

pine sail
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No.

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Or yeah.

weak belfry
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bruv

pine sail
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Depends.

weak belfry
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me taking A levels

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and there is like little to no theory

solemn ravine
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oh

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well this stuff is in further maths A level

weak belfry
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just formula and equation

pine sail
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I mean you will get to know complex numbers before uni, just the basics but yes.

weak belfry
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oh wait

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ive seen that topic

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maybe i just haven't covered it

solemn ravine
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do you do further maths?

weak belfry
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there was a chapter called complex number

weak belfry
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which paper is it

solemn ravine
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like, theres maths A level and theres further maths A level

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its like a separate A level

weak belfry
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i think me just taking normla

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normal

solemn ravine
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yeah then you wont learn complex numbers i think

weak belfry
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good

pine sail
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“How am I to know which solution to take and which one not to?"
In case you wish to know that, watch some basic trig videos to know the range for trigonometric functions.