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unique shuttle
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@analog vault

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cyan sinew
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what part in the second line was not clear?

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do you know the basic expansion of a binomial expression?

unique shuttle
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no no i jus got it thanks

cyan sinew
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cool

unique shuttle
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thank you for ur time

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idk how to close

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oh ok

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crude marsh
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Hello i need help on question 1 B and 1 C

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crude marsh
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it is

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(X-a)^2 +(y-b)^2=r^2

bitter crater
# crude marsh it is

wait sorry I thought you wanted hep with A part, could you send a better photo, in this the B and C part aren't visible

crude marsh
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sorry

timid silo
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firstly, yes it is an equation of circle

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then

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do you know the homogoenous 2nd degree eqn ?

crude marsh
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nope

bitter crater
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the special thing about a tangent is that the perpendicular distance from the centre of the circle is equal to the radius of the circle

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do you know how to find the perpendicular distance from a point to a line?

crude marsh
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no

bitter crater
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well no problem, there is another thing we can do

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since the line cuts the circle only at one point

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I meant touches

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then there is only one value of x and y which satisfy both right

crude marsh
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yes

bitter crater
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so if we subsitute y = k in the equation of the circle we will get a quadratic in x

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and since there must be only one point common between circle and line that must mean the quadratic will only have one root

crude marsh
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if we do that it will be (X-a)^2+(K-b)^2=r^2

bitter crater
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crude marsh
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b^2-4ac =0 or something

bitter crater
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ye thats it

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once you do that, you will get the required answer for questiono B

crude marsh
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ok

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but which ones a b c ..

bitter crater
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you made the quadratic?

crude marsh
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what quadratic

crude marsh
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oh

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ooh

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okay

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thank you

bitter crater
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yw

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also i just realized due to the conditions of this question there was a much easier way to do this

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rather than doing all this quadratic stuff

crude marsh
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oh how?

bitter crater
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since the line is of form y= k

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it will be parallel to the x axis

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that means the distance between it and centre of circle will be = |k-b|

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where b is the y coord of centre of circle

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and if you equate the above to the radius of the circle

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you will directly get k

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as perp. distance from centre to tangent is radius of the circle

crude marsh
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crude marsh
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oh

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okay

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crude marsh
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and you just solve that?

bitter crater
crude marsh
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yes i worked it out

bitter crater
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then sure

crude marsh
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ok

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what about C if possible..?

bitter crater
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that would required some geometry

crude marsh
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okay

bitter crater
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lemme send a figure

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one min

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are you able to understand this?

crude marsh
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not really.

bitter crater
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what about now?

bitter crater
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basics

crude marsh
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yes

bitter crater
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so perpendicular from centre to a secant does what to the secant?

crude marsh
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they are e1qual

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wait oh

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it makes a 90 ?

bitter crater
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well thats the definition of a perpendicular

crude marsh
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sorry im kind of in yr11 and doing y12 work..

bitter crater
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major thing it does is that it bisects the secant in half

bitter crater
bitter crater
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I think that would solve most of your problems

crude marsh
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its fine thank you though for B

bitter crater
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you can have at it on your own

crude marsh
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oh one more question

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how would you work out the radius of a circle with 2 coordinates?

bitter crater
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you mean two points on a circle?

crude marsh
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yes

bitter crater
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you have nothing else?

crude marsh
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II

bitter crater
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oh its the diamter

crude marsh
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oh wait

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oh didnt see that

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wait so you work out the length of the line and divide by 2?

bitter crater
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for the radius yes

crude marsh
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whats the equation for length again?

bitter crater
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root((x2-x1)^2 + (y2-y1)^2)

crude marsh
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root (x2-x1)-(y2-y1) or something

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oh okay

bitter crater
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for any two arbitary points with no speciality like the diamter you can have infinite number of circles passing through them, you need atleast 3 pts to determine the circle

crude marsh
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okay

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thank you

bitter crater
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yw

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timid silo
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oh

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can you

kind hollow
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?

timid silo
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actually i asked it first

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the doubt

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look at channel name

kind hollow
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oh

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mb

timid silo
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hmm

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golden night
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You can use GP inside brackets I suppose

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Or you can't

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sad_think idk

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fallow atlas
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how should I approach 125?

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jagged ocean
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Alright

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Now rotate it

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What u did is right

fallow atlas
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how would i get y=sin^2x in terms of x

jagged ocean
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No need

fallow atlas
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wait why

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isnt it around the y axis

jagged ocean
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Ohhhh my bad

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I thought x axis

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its all good

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wanton dune
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i should determine wheter this set of matrices is linearly dependent

wanton dune
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I know that the third matrix is sum of 1first one + 2second one

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so the set is lin dependet

gilded needle
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wanton dune
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but how do i determine it generally

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is there some algorithm? or i just have to see it like in this example

gilded needle
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probably the most straightforward way generally would be to convert the matrices to row vectors or column vectors, stack them into a matrix, and then do row reduction

wanton dune
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like i would put those three columns from first matrix under each other and ill get first column and then the same for remaining 2? so ill get 9 by 3 matrix?

gilded needle
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yes correct

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or equivalently you could take the three rows of the first matrix and combine them into one long 1x9 row

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do the same with the other two

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then stack the three rows to get a 3x9 matrix

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either way will work

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wanton shoal
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i have no idea how to attempt this probklem

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steady umbra
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Why isn’t it possible to solve it

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jovial portal
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Maybe because it is diverging or the root gets negative

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probable because $x^3 >> x^2$ therefor the root gets negative

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steady umbra
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The root can get negative, can’t it?

jovial portal
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Let x=2 then we have $x^2- x^3 = 4-8 = -4$

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flat geyser
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it does converge

steady umbra
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But you can take a 3 root of a square number

past sand
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Why isn’t it possible to solve it
It is, your calculator just isn't good enough

flat geyser
past sand
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Personally I ask WolframAlpha

steady umbra
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# steady umbra Yeah

$\sqrt[3]{x^{2}-x^{3}}+x\to x\left(\sqrt[3]{\frac{1}{x}-1}+1\right)\to\frac{\left(\sqrt[3]{\frac{1}{x}-1}+1\right)}{\frac{1}{x}}$

warm shaleBOT
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Combustion

flat geyser
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this is 0/0 as x->infinity

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so apply l'hopital

steady umbra
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So the answers 0 to the original question?

flat geyser
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no

jovial portal
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Are you familiar with complex numbers?

steady umbra
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Haven’t got there yet

jovial portal
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because for real values the upper border is x=1 then the function wont be defined because the root is negative

jovial portal
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ye mb

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xd

flat geyser
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simplify, and you'll get the answer

steady umbra
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Ight thanks

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My original question was to find the asymptotes of the function (everything under the cubic root)

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I figured that there was no horizontal and vertical ones

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And I’m stuck on the obligate one

robust raven
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this limit should be solved in a such way:

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$\lim_{x \to \infty } \left( x-\sqrt[3]{x^{3}-x^{2}} \right)={{\cdots }}\\a-b=\frac{a^{3}-b^{3}}{a^{2}+ab+b^{2}}$

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Joanna Angel

steady umbra
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Ight thanks y’all literally the most calm community

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lone egret
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Do i just plug in n, evaluate like normal and multiply my answer by 2?

gilded needle
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yea, unless there's some more context that gives n a specific value?

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iron mason
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Hi

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iron mason
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I need some help

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How do I solve this?

placid locust
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hii

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you can try to convert sqrt x to exponent form

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that will make it easier to see what you can do

iron mason
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Aa I see

placid locust
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Yes indeed

iron mason
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Do I subtract 5/2 with 1/2?

placid locust
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da

iron mason
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Alright

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Aa now I see it's 3X^4/2=75

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And I devide the 3x^4/2 with 3

iron mason
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On both sides

placid locust
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You can simply 4/2 as well in the exponent

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topaz vault
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how i have to do

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fossil crag
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Might want to expand

topaz vault
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u mean 3x/2 - 5/2?

fossil crag
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The whole product

topaz vault
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and the other its x^2+2x+1?

fossil crag
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Nono it's x²-1

topaz vault
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truue

fossil crag
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I'm asking to write (3x/2 - 5/2)(x²-1) as a sum

topaz vault
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pls

fossil crag
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Heard of FOIL technique? Or maybe a similar name

topaz vault
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no

fossil crag
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Ok

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Do you know what it means to "expand" a product?

topaz vault
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yes

fossil crag
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Ok, so what does it mean?

topaz vault
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a sum of products by using the fact that multiplication distributes over addition

fossil crag
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Ok

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torn jewel
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confused with step 4

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i expandedthe numeraotr and got

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x^2 + 2x + x^2 -32x

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but idk what is inserted in the brackets for both?

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or what kinda process the step is undergoing

timid silo
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4x(x-8) = 4x^2 - 32x

torn jewel
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oh it would be 4x^2

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but in the bracket

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for the numerator

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would u just put 4?

timid silo
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i think so

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what else can u put except 4

torn jewel
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true'

timid silo
torn jewel
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IK

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💀

timid silo
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i get u..

torn jewel
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ima continue the problem

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and see if anything else comes up

timid silo
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k

fossil crag
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Don't worry about the 'size of the boxes'

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They're just made big enough so you can put virtually anything in it

timid silo
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so i think thats why she got confused

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timid silo
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true

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midnight gorge
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can someone help me

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midnight gorge
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im checking the answer key but i just wnat to understand it

polar fossil
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it may be helpful to imagine printing 100 business cards. How much would that cost?

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oh myb i was afk

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100 * 0.15 is the cost in materials, yes

midnight gorge
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okay

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that plus +18

polar fossil
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yes, so then how much, in total, does it cost per card?
or in other words, how much would you have to sell each card for, to break even?

midnight gorge
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more than the rate

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I have to find the value of $C$ in $$\psi(x) = Ce^{-\alpha x}\left(1-e^{-\alpha x}\right)$$ using the fact that $$\int_0^\infty \psi^*\psi \dd x =1$$ but i don't know what the complex conjugate of something like this would be its probably something obvious but i cant figure it out

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I can't believe you've done this

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wintry iris
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What would be the right bounds for this one?

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I wanna say the inner integral bounds should be from y to 1, but not 100% sure

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naive mountain
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A 3 digit multiple of five is created using the digits 0,3,4,5 and 7. How many numbers are possible if all digits in the number must be different?

hexed gull
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and then how many for the second

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and then how many for the third

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multiplying them yields the number of possible 3-digit numbers

zenith raft
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i think you should start with the third

hexed gull
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either exclude 0 for the first or start with third yeah

zenith raft
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well i meant the number of numbers you can make starting (100s place), for example, with 3 and starting with 5 are different

zenith raft
hexed gull
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multiple of five

naive mountain
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So like, I put down just 3 empty _ to represent digits. And for the first _ I said there are 5 possibilities because we’re only usint the digits 0,3,4,5 and 7. Is that correct or am I supposed to consider like ALL 3 digit multiples of 5

hexed gull
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yeah then ofc start with last digit, as it's 0 or 5

naive mountain
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oops I jsed a _

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I pit down 3 empty lines

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is what I meant

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just to visualize it

hexed gull
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since e.g. 035 wouldn't be a three-digit number in that sense

naive mountain
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oh truee

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ya

hexed gull
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given the criterium that it's a multiple of five

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it's easier if you instead start with the last digit

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since it's limited to 0 or 5

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otherwise you can't have a multiple of 5

naive mountain
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because it wld have ti be 0 or 5

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ahh

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I see

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ya

hexed gull
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ys

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so consider the two cases

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last digit = 0

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then the second digit is either 3/4/5/7

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4 options

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and the first digit is one of the remaining others

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3 options

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thereby you have 3*4=12 possible numbers if it ends in 0

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now I'll let you ponder the case for last digit = 5

naive mountain
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makes sense thanks

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outer moat
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URGENT!
Briefly, how do I check if a function is self dual?

outer moat
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Here the dual and the function arent equivalent are they

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And also, is there a faster way to understand this with a truth table?

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I got how this works. Anyone knows how to identify a self dual function by a truth table?

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Nvm got this too

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flat belfry
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hello all i need help really quickly how do i find this inverse derivative, I actually have no clue where to start :/

If f(x) = x(sqrt(x-4)), then what is the value of (f^-1)'(2)

flat belfry
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this is not not difficult

cedar iris
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I gochu

flat belfry
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im assuming i find the inverse of f(x), get the derivative of that, then just plug in 2 but i cant seem to get the inverse for f(x)

cedar iris
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yes thats the right method

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let me thunk

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you dont need to find inverse

flat belfry
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fr?

cedar iris
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lol

flat belfry
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how am i supposed to get the deriv of the inverse then lol

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it just dont exist?

cedar iris
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You just need to find f'(f^-1(2)) which is f'(4.2242)

tardy epoch
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Inverse function theorem gives you a formula

cedar iris
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and then do 1/that

flat belfry
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its basically chainruling g(f(x)) = x or something

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to get 1/g(f(x))

tardy epoch
flat belfry
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but that requires me to find the iverse of f(x) because it says g(x) equals the inverse of f(x)

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and i cant figure out how to do that

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sub x and y but then i get some annoying stuff

flat belfry
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is this website just straight up wrong

cedar iris
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The question is wrong. thats not possible I think

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because f'(f^-1(2)) is complex

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the formula is 1/f'(f^-1(2)).
However f^-1(2) is appriximately 4 which will result in derivative of f being complex

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additional proof

flat belfry
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ok so i just gotta sub 2 for y in f(x) and plug that into f'(x) under 1

cedar iris
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Yes

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Even though you can't rlly do that manually - perks to wolfram

tardy epoch
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cedar iris
# tardy epoch !nogpt

Bruh. But still thats additional proof and it literally used code interpereter which means it used working python libs to do that

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which checks out with wolfram so chill

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cedar iris
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snitch @tardy epoch

chrome crypt
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Come on bro don't use Chat GPT for Mathematics bro

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Thats just insulting ngl.

cedar iris
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it was for additional proof

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and it was basicallt python

daring sorrel
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It is wrong though

cedar iris
flat belfry
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oh great

cedar iris
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I doubt that

daring sorrel
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“The result indiciates the function is not real valued at x=2” this is not relevant to the question

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We r looking at the inverse

tardy epoch
flat belfry
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dude idk even what to do now

daring sorrel
cedar iris
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Yeah I said dont

cedar iris
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read above @daring sorrel

flat belfry
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he said dont

cedar iris
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yea but we already know problem is wrong

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or at least theres no real solution

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so dont complicate things

daring sorrel
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f^-1(x)=y is the same as y=f(x)

cedar iris
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yes, but what's your point

flat belfry
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i just gotta do 2=x(sqrt(x-4)) and solve for x

then ill have f^-1(2)?

cedar iris
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yes

daring sorrel
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Wrong reply

flat belfry
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bad typo mb

daring sorrel
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Anyway this will be near 4 like u said

cedar iris
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excactly

daring sorrel
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And infact its greater than 4 as wolfram showed

cedar iris
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and then f'(~4) = no real sol

daring sorrel
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So u can plug it in into the derivative and get a real solution

cedar iris
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square root of negative number

daring sorrel
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Bro

cedar iris
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oh my b

daring sorrel
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When a>b a-b>0

cedar iris
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im hallucinating its too late

daring sorrel
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Just like chatgpt when u ask math

cedar iris
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sometimes lol

daring sorrel
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Yeah in math we dont like sometimes

flat belfry
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I would just like to know the process for finding (f^-1)'(c) when given f(x) and c

daring sorrel
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Or in pretty much any subject tbh

flat belfry
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because intructional stuff ive found is all wierd and they use different variables

cedar iris
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yes but generally I can fact check ir cuz im not bein dunb

cedar iris
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daring sorrel
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Im not bro trust me I use it for math all the time and 90% of the time its wrong

tardy epoch
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You've done nothing but confuse OP

cedar iris
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I will stop talking about this to avoid spamming channel

tardy epoch
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.close

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daring sorrel
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Rip

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lol

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bros mad

flat belfry
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sorry yall i am not great at this stuff

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let f be a function such that f"(x) = 6x + 8, Find f(x) if the graph of f is tangent to the line 3x-y=2 at the point (0,-2)

inner hemlock
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So i integrated f'(x)

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f"(x) and got

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3x^2+8x+C

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how do I find C

royal basin
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well

inner hemlock
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Ik the equation tangent to f(x) has a slope of 3

royal basin
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the fact that the graph of f is tangent to y=3x-2 at (0, -2) lets you find f(0) and f'(0)

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f'(0) specifically at this stage in particular

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wait

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why do I do that?

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oh

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nvm I get it

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you set x to 0 to find the constant

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right?

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since the slope is a constant

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f'(0) is also 3

royal basin
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since the slope at 0 has to match that of the tangent line

inner hemlock
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o

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so at pont 0,-2

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point* they sharethe same slope

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when x is set to 0 for the equation with the constant

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we are left

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with f'(x) = C

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but since we know another equation

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how do i find f(x) when given 3 hints

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inner hemlock
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f'(x) = ax^2+ bx

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f'(1) = 6 and f"(1)=18

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integral of fx from 1,2 is 18

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if you could tell me hints

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how to get it

unreal musk
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put 1 into f’(x), that should be equal to 6

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Then differentiate that f’(x), that gets you f’’(x), similar idea (put x=1, you get 18)

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From that you should be able to find an and b, then integrate for f(x), then integrate again between 1 and 2…

inner hemlock
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i get a+ b = 6

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wait im slow

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then its a sytem of equations and you solve

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what about c

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how do i find that

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Or is there no C to find?

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There will be plusc when you integrate f’(x)

inner hemlock
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mhm

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do i integrate it with c

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For which, you make use of that third piece of information, the integral $\int_1^2 f(x) \dd x = 18$

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@unreal musk

inner hemlock
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OH MY GODDD

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I SOLVED IT

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THANK YOU

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how do I integrate (x^2+1)/(x^3+3x-5)^3

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How exactly do i do this problem? I dont understand what formula to use

smoky vigil
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,tex .unit circle

warm shaleBOT
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Moosey

smoky vigil
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$\sec(\theta)=\frac{1}{\cos(\theta)}$

warm shaleBOT
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Moosey

smoky vigil
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$\cot(\theta)=\frac{1}{\tan(\theta)}=\frac{\cos(\theta)}{\sin(\theta)}$

warm shaleBOT
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Moosey

solid jungle
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How do i figure out the arc length tho? It says I need to find the sec and csc ratios for those arc lengths but i'm a bit lost on how to work my way up

floral kayak
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in this case r=1

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it should be the same anyways :/

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You don't really need the arc length formula

solid jungle
floral kayak
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if you have the y value you can find the x value 🙂

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sqrt(y^2+x^2)=r

solid jungle
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Ohh

floral kayak
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y^2+x^2=1

solid jungle
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Thats because the hypotenuse on the whole circle is 1

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Right

floral kayak
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the sqrt wasn't really necessary but it is the orignal formula

floral kayak
solid jungle
# floral kayak yes \:)

Next, to find the value of theta in order to find the arc length, do i first find the angle from the horizontal line to the point and add pi/2 to find principal angle?

floral kayak
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not too sure about w and t or what that is

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but I assume that would be it from appereance

solid jungle
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Im still talkinf about the first queation

floral kayak
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oh

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I mean assuming you have the cosinus

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you can solve the secant

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or you can solve using arc length 🙂

bright pumice
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Or you can just derive the angle given you have a y increase of 0.6 and the hypotenuse of 1 you can use Pythagorean theorem and then sohcahtoa I guess if that makes you happier

solid jungle
# floral kayak or you can solve using arc length 🙂

Yeah and to get that i need the r which i have and need theta, so do i just use cosine law to find theta in relevance to quadrant 2 since it’s located there, then add 90 to compensate for the fact it’s not in quadrant 1, then convert it to radians from degrees then use the arc length formula to find arc length?

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Idk if that sounds too complicated? Is there a shorter way maybe?

bright pumice
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Yeah you can do something like that too haha

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I mean think of it this way

solid jungle
bright pumice
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Your x is cos (theta) and your y is sin (theta)

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You already have the y value of 0.6

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So sin (theta)=0.6

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It's doesn't get more complicated than than unless you want to over complicate it by going around

solid jungle
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Now

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By theta do you mean

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This angle a or angle b that i drew?

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worldly bolt
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For this I need to write an explicit formula for the sequence. How do I do that?

median dome
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do you see any pattern in the numbers?

plucky rivet
worldly bolt
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They all go up by the next odd number

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Like 3,5,7,9

median dome
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correct

worldly bolt
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Ok

plucky rivet
worldly bolt
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+2

plucky rivet
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Yes, define a sequence based on this increasement

worldly bolt
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?

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Like if I do an = (n+2)?

royal basin
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not quite

worldly bolt
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Oh

royal basin
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will help to make our notation a little more precise here

worldly bolt
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Oh yea because if I did n = 2 then it would be 4 not 5

royal basin
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let's use a_n to denote your original sequence

worldly bolt
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Ok

royal basin
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then the differences are: \
$a_2 - a_1 = 3 \ a_3 - a_2 = 5 \ a_4 - a_3 = 7 \ a_5 - a_4 = 9$ \
and we are assuming that these differences will keep going as an arithmetic progression

and we must not forget the initial condition of $a_1 = 4$ as well

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royal basin
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i am indexing the terms of your sequence starting at 1 following common practice

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read through this, ensure the notation makes sense to you, and ping me once you have done so.

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then we will continue.

worldly bolt
royal basin
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ok right

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now, give me a moment to think of how next to phrase this while minimizing the chance for off by one errors

worldly bolt
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Ok

royal basin
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are you familiar with sigma notation?

worldly bolt
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Yes

royal basin
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ok right

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great

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$a_n = a_1 + \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} (a_{k+1} - a_k)$

warm shaleBOT
royal basin
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and $a_{k+1} - a_k$, by assumption, is $2k+1$ (verify this. the sequence $b_k := a_{k+1} - a_k$ is assumed to be an arithmetic progression with common difference 2)

warm shaleBOT
royal basin
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and $a_1$ is 4

warm shaleBOT
worldly bolt
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Alright

royal basin
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do you see how to continue from here

worldly bolt
royal basin
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... ??

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no, that's (almost) the general formula.

worldly bolt
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Oh nvm I skipped the a_1 + part

worldly bolt
royal basin
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as in "shouldn't this be something else?" or as in "how did you come up with that?"

worldly bolt
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How did you come up with that

royal basin
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let b_k := a_{k+1} - a_k

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then we know b_1 = 3, b_2 = 5, b_3 = 7 and b_4 = 9

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we assume b_k continues as an arithmetic progression

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does this make sense to you?

worldly bolt
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Yea so b_5 would be 11 and so on

royal basin
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yes

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do you know how to find the general term formula of an AP

worldly bolt
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No

royal basin
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... right ok let's get that sorted out first then

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first off do you know what an arithmetic progression is?

worldly bolt
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Yes

royal basin
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ok

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can you tell me the definition, in your own words, of an arithmetic progression?

worldly bolt
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It’s when numbers in a sequence go up by the same amount. I think it can also go down too but I’m not sure. So it’s like the 3,5,7,9 are all going up by 2

royal basin
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yes, arithmetic progressions can go down.

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anyway

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you might have seen this:

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$u_n = u_1 + (n-1)d$

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worldly bolt
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Oh ok yea

royal basin
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right

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here for b_k our first term is 3 and the common difference is 2

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b_k = 3 + (k-1)*2

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and simplify that

worldly bolt
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Wouldn’t it be *4 if the common difference is 4?

royal basin
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sorry, typo

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the common difference is 2

worldly bolt
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Oh ok

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I get it

worldly bolt
royal basin
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no

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your original sequence isn't arithmetic

worldly bolt
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Oh right

royal basin
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its sequence of first differences, what i call b_k, is

worldly bolt
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Ok

royal basin
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do you have anything else left to ask here

worldly bolt
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So I have to make my formula with b_k

worldly bolt
royal basin
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no

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you first construct b_k (reproducing what i did already) then from b_k construct a_n

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you will have b_k = 2k+1

worldly bolt
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Ok

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Ok so I just have to get 2k +1 into a_n?

royal basin
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$a_n = 4 + \sum_{k=1}^{n-1} (2k+1)$

warm shaleBOT
royal basin
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work out this sum

worldly bolt
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7?

royal basin
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.... you should not be getting something that doesn't depend on n lol

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you said you were familiar with sigma notation

worldly bolt
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Yea but not when I have it mixed with arithmetic sequences

royal basin
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pretend it's not mixed in, then

worldly bolt
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That’s what I did. I completely ignored n and did 4 + 2(1) + 1 to get 7

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I don’t know n-1

royal basin
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no, you can't just ignore a crucial part of the notation...

worldly bolt
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But I don’t know the value of n

royal basin
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n is just n

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ok let's seee

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let's set this problem aside for the time being

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do you know what $\sum_{k=1}^n k$ is

warm shaleBOT
worldly bolt
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Ok k is 1, n is n

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Is it just n?

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Or kn?

royal basin
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wrong on all counts

worldly bolt
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I know what to do when there’s a number in place of n but I’m not sure what I have to do when it’s a variable

royal basin
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ok sounds like you are not as familiar enough with sigma notation as i thought

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ok

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let's back up one

worldly bolt
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I’ve only been introduced

royal basin
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do you know how to find the sum of the first n terms of an AP

worldly bolt
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Yea you add the first however many terms together

royal basin
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ok but like

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you might have seen a formula that lets you do that

worldly bolt
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Oh I know this one

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Ok is it n/2 (a_1 + a_n)

royal basin
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this notation clashes with what we did earlier, and this formula will be inconvenient, but yes.

worldly bolt
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Oh this is what my teacher taught in the lecture

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I wrote this directly from her notes

royal basin
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the problem for us is that (1) our sequence is called b_k rather than a_k and (2) we need the sum of the first n-1 terms and not n and (3) we do not immediately know the last (n-1'th) term of our sequence

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though (3) is the least worrying of these

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$b_{n-1} = 2(n-1) + 1 = 2n-1$

warm shaleBOT
worldly bolt
royal basin
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no

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... sorry i do not know how to explain this further without just repeating myself a hundred times

worldly bolt
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Why can’t I put it in a_n?

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Why does it have to be b_k

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Is it because a_n is arithmetic?

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Nvm I’ll ask my professor

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…thanks anyway

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ANY JEE ASPIRANTS?

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WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING???

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ALSO NO, NOT EVERYBODY HERE IS FROM INDIA, LET ALONE A JEE ASPIRANT.

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LIKE AM NEW HERE

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IDK WHAT UR UP TO ?

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....

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??

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buddy this is a help channel, not a discussion channel LMAO

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you shouldn't be occupying two channels anyways

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ANYONE CLOSE ONE

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you reopened the channel you should be able to close it

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hey all how would you differentiate both sides of the eqn. wrt t?

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Product rule

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After clearing denominators

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what's that equation about ?

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@versed pendant

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Please can I get help with number 5

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Hello, I need some food for thought on how to write this proof (I am a beginner). I already know why R<=D<=2R is the case, but I don't know how to write it down. (I translated the problem from another language into english, that's why the format is kinda bad).

If you dont want to read the mathematical definitions:
d(u,w) is the shortest distance from u to w.

D is just the longest distance without any detours in the entire graph.

R just takes the minimum of the longest possible d(u,w) for each individual node.

nova python
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R<=D is trivial, the real problem is with 2R
it would be nice if someone could just give me a hint instead of the answer as i want to solve it myself

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Assume AB is the longest path in the graph. Q is a node with the smallest distance to the the furthest mode equals R. What is the length of AQB?

nova python
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👍

lusty goblet
nova python
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Nope! Thanks for the help

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yo

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can someone help me

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with math

pallid aurora
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possibly

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can anyone tell me what the spectrum of a matrix is?

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young laurel
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But is it like the diagonal matrix of eigenvalues or just a set eigenvalues

robust raven
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set

young laurel
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so for example the matrix [1 0; 02] its spectrum would be [1,2]?

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$\sigma\left( A \right)=\left{ \lambda:det\left( A-\lambda
I \right) =0\right}$

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runic holly
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help 😭

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worn coyote
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Find a,b such that 3 curves connect

runic holly
worn coyote
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For example, at x=-1 3x+a should match -x^2+2x+6

runic holly
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so equal them??

worn coyote
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Otherwise the function won't be continuous

worn coyote
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And then you can use a similar argument to find b

runic holly
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solets say to find a i equal 1 and 2 and fill in x as 1?

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then i do the same thing with 2 and 3 to find b?

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im like hopeless at this 😭

robust raven
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yes right but formally , it should be written in a such way:

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$\lim_{x \to -1^{-}} f\left( x \right)=\lim_{x \to -1^{+}} f\left( x \right)\\\lim_{x \to 2^{-}} f\left( x \right)=\lim_{x \to 2^{+}} f\left( x \right)$

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runic holly
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right

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ok so what i said is correct? but i just have to write it like that?

robust raven
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after writing those limits, yes, correct

runic holly
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ok so lets say for finding B, id use equations 2 and 3, but unlike 1 and 2 there so definiet equals sign theres a range, so in that case what would i do

robust raven
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i do not see the difference

runic holly
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so like in the first one it was x is less than 1, the second 1 its x is greater or qual than -1 less than 2

robust raven
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x less than -1 you wanted to write ?

runic holly
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um well youre meant to input x=-1 when trying to find a right?

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so to find b what value would you input in for x?

robust raven
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x = 2

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cant you see it ?

runic holly
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ohhhhhhhhhh sorry i didnt read it properly, i kept focusing on the wrong one 💀

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ok)

runic holly
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thanks for putting up with me

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😭

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🙂

runic holly
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cheers and thanks for the help

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yw )

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chilly scroll
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Is there a way to do this with graph?

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like x (1 to 25) y (1 to 25) as a square area or something ah

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I have no idea

prime jungle
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I feel like this could be solved with an algorithm. Generally, you know that the sum of x and y should equal a multiple of 5. In addition, the sum of x and y should be no greater than 50 and no less than 5 (lowest possible is 2 but anything lower than 5 would not work). Does this help?

chilly scroll
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oh yea that method works

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i was just thinking if there was a way with graphs

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like x + y =5k a strgt line but i dont know what to do with it

prime jungle
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There probably is. I think that a multivariable function f(x,y) would work best. Is that taught in your class?

chilly scroll
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nah

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I saw somewhere probabiltiy density function

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So i thought of this approach

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But i dont know much about it

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oh can the intersection between the area of y 1 to 25 x 1 to 25 and y = 5k - x be the points?

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try to answer the question for x = 1, then x=2,... up to x=5 and try to see a pattern

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Using your x + y = 5k, letting k be a natural number 0 through 50, then I would look along the slope to find coordinate pairs that would match what you are looking for. For example:

x+y=5k, k = 2 (5k = 10)
Looking along the slope, you can see that (3,7), (5,5), and (2,8) are pairs that match what you are looking for.

chilly scroll
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Can this work?

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Yes

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That's what I was explaining, looking good

chilly scroll
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yeah thanks

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lemme try this

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Can y' be independent of anything or has to be independent of x only ?

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I know y dot is independent of t

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But can y' also be independent of t too?

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steel escarp
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How do i solve this? I have attatched my current workings but I dont think its going somewhere

steel escarp
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damn you ms paint (new attachment below)

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It wont work if I equate the 2 equations, will it?

polar fossil
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yes equate the two curves

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you don't need derivatives at all here

steel escarp
polar fossil
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well the question is "what values of c make this have two intersections" so we care about their intersections

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polar fossil
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using c

polar fossil
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ok how about you try it and see

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what kind of equation do you get?

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should I use the delta thing

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the discriminant

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b^2-4ac

steel escarp
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should I use simultaneous eq?

polar fossil
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you won't be able to find values for x

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but you'll be able to say when that equation has 2 solutions

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yes using the discriminant

steel escarp
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ah

polar fossil
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be mindful of the fact that the c in "b^2 - 4ac" means a different thing than the c from your equation

steel escarp
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$(c\approx 5,541\ c\approx -0,541)$

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steel escarp
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huh seems kinda unsatisfying

polar fossil
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you should get a range for c, not two values

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and generally you'll want to leave it in exact form

steel escarp
polar fossil
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yeah seems about right

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you could try a point in that range if you aren't sure

steel escarp
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aight thanks man

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imma go kms

polar fossil
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i would not recommend that

polar fossil
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yea

steel escarp
smoky vigil
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$\left(2c-4\right)^{2}-4\left(4-c\right)>0$

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Moosey

polar fossil
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is this not what you did?

steel escarp
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no i think i made an oopsie somewhere

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gimme a min

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Ok I redid it

smoky vigil
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you will get two open intervals. This results from solving a quadratic with respect to c. The quadratic will be zero at two points and dip below the x-axis, and on the other sides of the zeros, it will be positive.

steel escarp
smoky vigil
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Well I gathered it from the visual proof. This can be turned into a quadratic that factors nicely as well

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no need for any quadratic formula even

steel escarp
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well, when you set the curves equal, you move everything to one side, and you get a quadratic. All you care about is when this quadratic has b^2-4ac>0 (when you have two real solutions, this corresponds to the line and the curve intersecting twice)

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the quadratic formula tells you the zeros

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if you do b^2-4ac=0 this corresponds to where the curves intersect exactly once

smoky vigil
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so if this equals zero, it will only be the c values where the line intersects exactly once with the parabola

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it's why we need >0

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finding where this is 0 is helpful anyways though, as it gives us the transition points we need (i.e. where it goes from 2 intersection points, to 1 , to 0)

steel escarp
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i dont know enough theory to understand this yet unfortunately

smoky vigil
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You're focused on where $x^{2}+(2c-4)x+(4-c)$ has two real zeros. This parabola comes from setting the two curves equal

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Moosey

smoky vigil
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x^2+2cx+4= (4x+c) -> x^2+2cx+4-(4x+c)=0 -> x^2+(2c-4)x+(4-c)=0

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a=1, b=(2c-4), c=(4-c)

steel escarp
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when you say 2 real zeroes, what does that mean? Is it 2 real intersections at y=0?

smoky vigil
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yes

steel escarp
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ah

smoky vigil
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now, since we're focused on purely the case where there's two real zeros, we want the discriminant of this quadratic (b^2-4ac), to be greater than 0

smoky vigil
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$\left(2c-4\right)^{2}-4\left(4-c\right)>0$

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Moosey

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smoky vigil
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[(2(c-2))^{2}-4(4-c)>0]
Applying $(xy)^{2}=x^2 y^2$, and distributing $-1$ to $(4-c)$
[4(c-2)^{2}+4(c-4)>0]
Divide both sides by $4$
[(c-2)^{2}+(c-4)>0]
Expanding $(c-2)^{2}$
[c^2-4c+4+c-4>0]
Canceling like terms
[c^2-3c>0]
[c(c-3)>0]

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Moosey

smoky vigil
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c(c-3)>0 only when c and c-3 are both negative, or c and c-3 are both positive

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this comes strictly in the case where...

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c<0 and c>3 respectively

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it's not a continous interval

steel escarp
smoky vigil
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c>3

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c<0

steel escarp
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doesnt the sign flip when you divide by negative?

smoky vigil
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look what happens when you plug in for example -0.1 for c

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(-.1)(.-1-3)=(-.1)(-3.1)=positive

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but once we go past 0...

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(.1)(.1-3)=(.1)(-2.9)=negative

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and until we get to 3...it's negative, but once we get to a number slightly above 3...

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(3.1)(3.1-3)=(3.1)(.1)=positive

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so we get two intervals for where c will give us two intersections, with an interval between them that doesn't give valid c

steel escarp
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I see

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thanks