serious-discussion

[sharp mulch]

Prachter also flames Steven Miller

[modest rune]

i am nothing if not an expert of navigating discord on mobile

[velvet dagger]

Fastest fingers in the west

[thorn brook]

max writes latex on mobile faster than I do on my computer lmao

[pure sun]

m-must... r-resist... the urge... to make a rokabe joke.........

[modest rune]

i have a problematic hyperfocus on answering math questions

if i see a good question on mobile

i just zone in

[atomic hornet]

What do you respond to army recruiters

When they text you

[wild lantern]

I just ignore them or say I'm not interested.

[vivid halo]

https://nypost.com/2021/06/21/heart-attack-survivor-wants-to-ban-energy-drinks-for-minors/

[crystal stream]

wait nevermind it was aimed at banning it for children

[cold needle]

i thought they were already banned for minors but i guess im just dumb

lol

[crystal stream]

i'm pretty sure they're banned for kids under 13

at least here

[cold needle]

oh

[crystal stream]

by here I mean argentina, dunno about US

[cold needle]

ah

well where i live anything goes tbh

florida is fucked

[crystal stream]

no restrictions on the US as far as I could tell

[sharp mulch]

Yes

I hear that running over protestors with cars is also permitted

[cold needle]

Lovely

:|

i hate this place

[sleek wing]

;)

[crystal stream]

Always remember: it can always get worse

[sharp mulch]

Have you considered leaving

[vagrant kestrel]

surf away

[thorn brook]

ight now I'm tired of being a tinky winky simp

time to go back to normal

[vagrant kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/tinky-winky-haters-gonna-hate-teletubbies-booty-shake-shake-it-gif-7695094

[hallow wasp]

fucc em

one of those poopy heads tried to recruit me for reserves

they are predatory in how they recruit.

your response was good

[viscid pecan]

What’s the deal with that recruitment process

[thorn brook]

are there any "shortcuts" or theorems that one could use to say that two manifolds are homeomorphic? I basically don't know anything about manifolds expect for the definition, I'm just curious. It feels like there should be a different way to state that two manifolds are homeomorphic other than just trying to find a homeomorphic function from one set to the other.

I mean one way of doing it is to check if one space is compact and if the other one is hausdorff and then you can find a bijective continuous function between them, but this isn't a "nice" way of doing it

[crystal stone]

I had complete disregard for my personal safety and health

Therefore no one can enjoy a drink

[vagrant kestrel]

just don't drink four loko and you will live

[crystal stream]

that was my thought process too

but the ban is aimed at children so it's not so trivial

[neat lintel]

Can someone please teach me functions

[crystal stone]

You know lots of children die in car accidents

We should ban cars too

[neat lintel]

I suck at math and don't know anything at it but I graduated barely passing math

[narrow rock]

we should ban children

[neat lintel]

I want to learn functions so that I can go to the university for a military program

[crystal stone]

People are trying to do this, unironically

[crystal stream]

we should ban banning

[narrow rock]

wdym

[dense belfry]

We will be the last generation

[crystal stone]

There's a lot of doomsayers and malthusians that want people to not have kids

[vagrant kestrel]

you have to hide your children until they turn 18

[crystal stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko&ab_channel=ReasonTV

This is the song that plays in my head

[vivid halo]

I drank one handle of vodka every day until my liver dissolved, now I am on a quest to ban alcohol

[crystal stream]

ban things i'm addicted to

[narrow rock]

ban discord

[crystal stream]

that's one way to stop drinking

[velvet dagger]

2 liters of soda per day is fine guys

[crystal stream]

don't let Big Water fool you

[narrow rock]

216g of sugar

[crystal stone]

Being real though, the old president of the math club at my CC

His heart exploded playing basketball after downing like 3 energy drinks

This happened probably a few weeks before I joined the math club

[narrow rock]

so I have been one energy drink away from death

[crystal stream]

I have never drank an energy drink ever

[crystal stone]

Energy drinks definitely aren't healthy, and should be moderated; but just because some people ignore rules, common sense, and health doesn't mean that it should be banned for everyone

[crystal stream]

nevermind the fact that I had to quit coffee cold turkey after possibly consuming nearly a gram of caffeine in a single day

[crystal stone]

||It's almost as if our bodies aren't government property||

[crystal stone]

a gram of caffeine? psh that's nothing back in my day we used to have 100 grams of caffeine just so we could sleep

[hallow wasp]

what is and isnt healthy is an ongoing debate afaik, some shills still think cigarettes dont cause cancer

[thorn brook]

My physics teacher got so addicted to caffeine that he started to eat coffee beans lmao

[vivid halo]

quitting caffeine cold turkey at that dose is about as hard as quitting nicotine

[hallow wasp]

calm it

it rly isnt lolk

[crystal stream]

I had one thing in favor

[hallow wasp]

you can quit caffeine without withdrawl

[vagrant kestrel]

drinking more coffee than the day before gets results

[crystal stream]

a lot of self hatred

[crystal stone]

A causal link is hard on cancer, because there'll always be that one or two people that don't develop cancer despite smoking for like 40+ years

[vivid halo]

if you're consuming 1g of caffeine a day you will have withdrawal lmfao

unless you're really smart about tapering your dose

[crystal stream]

I think my average consumption was around 500 mg

[crystal stone]

So it doesn't "cause cancer" it just makes you extremely susceptible to developing cancer

[vivid halo]

same with nicotine though lol

[hallow wasp]

lol not as intense as nicotine

there is no caffine withdrawl timeline.

you might have cravings but thats it

[vivid halo]

there is though lol

[hallow wasp]

what does it look like??

[narrow rock]

headaches

[vivid halo]

it's not that much different from pure nicotine

[narrow rock]

for a couple of days

[crystal stream]

I heard it lasts around a week

but no idea

[hallow wasp]

oh i guess

[vivid halo]

I agree cigs have a different timeline since it's also MAOI related

[hallow wasp]

yeah there is a timeline in a way

[vivid halo]

but for pure nicotine as a stimulant compared to caffeine in comparable doses

both have a pretty similar withdrawal, headaches for a while and trouble concentrating and so on

lethargy

[hallow wasp]

the duration for nicotine is worse ive heard

like 2 weeks

idk too much about caffine though, but i do know ppl get headaches

[vivid halo]

it's a little more drawn out but the immediate effects are comparable

[hallow wasp]

ngroup smoking ciggies i see

[vivid halo]

like I had cravings for nicotine for a little while longer but nothing distracting

well I smoked cigs for a little bit and not too many

but I got a nic salt vape

and then I started consuming a LOT of nicotine lol

[hallow wasp]

hate to see it )"

[vivid halo]

yea I have since quit

[hallow wasp]

idk how it happens to people though

[vivid halo]

[hallow wasp]

i used a puffbar b4

[crystal stream]

how often do y'all work out?

[hallow wasp]

smoked a pack

little to no enjoyment imo

[vivid halo]

I have not worked out lately because pandemic

[hallow wasp]

ig i have to get hooked first

[hallow wasp]

yesterday

almost tore my shoulder

[vivid halo]

once school gym opens up again usually like 4-5 times a week if I can

[hallow wasp]

groupoid u rockclimb?

[crystal stream]

apparently math dudes are pretty buff on average

[vivid halo]

nothing serious but I enjoy it yea

[thorn brook]

24/7. I move my mouse to change google tabs

[hallow wasp]

🙂

[hallow wasp]

i think thats true

[vivid halo]

if the school gym rock walls weren't constantly taken I would do it more

I do like weights though lol

[hallow wasp]

i think 1/2 of the grad students do a lot of physical activity at my school

like marathon runners

a lot of runners

i guess that isnt buff

[vivid halo]

yea I'm just dieting a bit before I can go back to the gym

[hallow wasp]

amen

[vivid halo]

lost some weight so far this summer

[hallow wasp]

[narrow rock]

I gained 5 pounds last quarter

[hallow wasp]

is it possible to get taller by gaining weight, considering obesity for 2 inches

it happens for longer distances, low intensity

[narrow rock]

how long did you try

[hallow wasp]

you will definetly notice it and it happens to everyone

its not crazy fun

but its cool when it happens

[narrow rock]

it is cool

[hallow wasp]

makes u feel like a dbz character

i do too

for races only

[vivid halo]

of course runner's high is a thing, the only people that get up at 5am to run are probably on drugs

[hallow wasp]

i like spitting on slow people

depends on the personn

first time i felt it big was when i did 8 mile runs

[vagrant kestrel]

it's 4:30 am, get up, time for the gym

[narrow rock]

at least 3

[vivid halo]

I have not been able to get into running, I've tried

[hallow wasp]

dont?

im not foricng u

i was averaging 40 a week and preparing for a marathon i never ran

[vivid halo]

I really wish I could enjoy it

[hallow wasp]

so i did some long runs inbetween

[vivid halo]

it just hurts lmfao

[hallow wasp]

u have shit nees?

[narrow rock]

it sucks for the first 30 times

[hallow wasp]

brofib dont do thatt

[vivid halo]

yea knees and shins suck, and I do not have the body type of a runner lol

[hallow wasp]

2 weeks is the cooldown period

[hallow wasp]

shins suck for everyone

[vivid halo]

yea I tried for like

[hallow wasp]

no everyday

[vivid halo]

maybe a month straight

of like a mile or two every day

[hallow wasp]

just do 2-3 miles per day for 2 week, only takes 4 hours total

[vivid halo]

and it got a tiny bit better I guess?

[crystal stream]

I messed up my legs by running too much

[vivid halo]

but still sucked a ton

[crystal stream]

the dopamine was too strong

[vivid halo]

idk I still like

[narrow rock]

a mile or two isnt enough to get a runners high

it takes a bit longer

[hallow wasp]

covid doesnt cancel running

[vivid halo]

when I go to the gym it's within running distance of my place, so I run/jog to the gym or walk if I'm really tired

[hallow wasp]

i did, just giving you affirmations

[vivid halo]

so that does the cardio part of the workout at least and it gets me like a mile and a half of running in

but it's like

my least favorite part

[hallow wasp]

what else do ppl do for cardio instead of running

yoga?

[vivid halo]

I usually do rowing machines

[crystal stream]

cycling

[hallow wasp]

ur legs though.

[vivid halo]

yea cycling too

[hallow wasp]

cycling and skipping rope are for real ones

running is def more fun than cycling

[vivid halo]

rope is based

[hallow wasp]

but skipping rope is based indeed.

[crystal stream]

shin splints are hell

[hallow wasp]

i dont know how ppl listen to music and work out

[vivid halo]

cycling is nice because you can read math papers on your tablet while you cycle

[sharp mulch]

How bougie

[hallow wasp]

cycling isnt OP for cardio though

[sharp mulch]

Do you do spin classes

[hallow wasp]

rope and running are OP

[vivid halo]

yea cycling isn't the best for cardio

[hallow wasp]

cycling is slightly better than walking.

sounds silly but its the truth

[vivid halo]

imo rope and rowing are both really OP

[hallow wasp]

rowing is op, but neglects ur legs

[vivid halo]

yea sorta

although my weights are very biased towards legs

[narrow rock]

no cardio

[hallow wasp]

not even funny qq

im counting rock climbing as cardio

[vivid halo]

there was this kid that would go to the gym the same time I usually would

had like

gigantic legs

and stick arms

[hallow wasp]

he probably born that way

[vivid halo]

and would only do leg weights

and would load up like

[hallow wasp]

lol wtf

[vivid halo]

800lbs of plates on leg press

for tons of reps

[narrow rock]

stick legs and stick arms

[hallow wasp]

i want a waifu to look like jormundgand bestgirl

[vivid halo]

enters the weight room
loads plates
does 800lbs of leg press for like 20 reps
unloads plates
leaves weight room

[hallow wasp]

oh mb

kinda sus...

does waifer come from waif

my excuse is bilingual

im a foundling

wah fur not way fur

uk so aesthetic, i wanna go to the uk and become political. after rising the ranks as an activist i will proceed to spend my time traveling the EU partaking in its painterly theme.

[vast cipher]

i need help

[broken scaffold]

[vast surge]

#❓how-to-get-help

[vast cipher]

oops i left a message

it wasnt with math

[cold needle]

good morning friends

how much time does a reading course take up as compared to like a standard course on the same subject

because suppose I am expecting to take a reading course in the future in some semester

do i adjust how many classes i take to accommodate for the reading course?

[broken scaffold]

idk but it's probably hell

[modest rune]

i think in particular you can just ask the prof what kinda workload you should expect

compared to say a normal class

[cold needle]

i see

i have told myself to reduce my workload for the future

so i am only taking at most 4 courses

usually i took 5

but yes

thank you for the advice

i will definitely ask the professor when the time comes

this year i don't have any

but i foresee some in the later years

[neat lintel]

you need to ask a moderator for that

so ask a moderator

[devout nacelle]

What do you plan to stream?

Giving you the role. Use it wisely, stay mindful of the rules.

[toxic schooner]

bored of the pings, aye?

lol

[neat lintel]

manan

a known geometer on MO commented on my post

[toxic schooner]

whats mo?

Ooo

[devout nacelle]

You posted on MO

[neat lintel]

no

lol

i didnt post on MO

[devout nacelle]

TTerra mathematician arc

[neat lintel]

[devout nacelle]

Hold the fuck up

Is this

The Yang Mills guy

[neat lintel]

[devout nacelle]

???

[neat lintel]

no

yang mills was chen-ning yang according to wikipedia

[devout nacelle]

Ni

Ah yes

Seems like a gigachad geometer

[neat lintel]

[toxic schooner]

so tterra is popular now?

[neat lintel]

"now"

[devout nacelle]

Always has been

[toxic schooner]

oh

i didnt know

sorry

[neat lintel]

i wonder when my uni will let me pick up my copy of milnor's differential topology

it's like

50 pages long

could read it in a week at most

[devout nacelle]

So you borrow books from library, right?

Can't you just visit the library and pick them up?

[neat lintel]

i don't think so

i havent checked lol

it's a scheduled curbside pickup thing

[devout nacelle]

[surreal sapphire]

imagine being able to read 50 pages in a week

[toxic schooner]

wdym

[devout nacelle]

I can manage that much now

Not differential topology though

[surreal sapphire]

i mean depending on how dense the 50 pages are

[neat lintel]

im exaggerating

[surreal sapphire]

sometimes to read 50 pages i have to actually read 200 pages

[devout nacelle]

But for the stuff I'm learning atm I can usually go 100+ pages/week of a pasta of stuff

[toxic schooner]

[devout nacelle]

I agree

I've been stuck on the same page of Knapp since morning

[surreal sapphire]

the lecture notes im working through rn are so dense i have to write more notes than there are lecture notes

[toxic schooner]

[surreal sapphire]

my prof decided to condense like 50% of neukirch into 100 pages

[neat lintel]

[devout nacelle]

[toxic schooner]

is that a book?

[devout nacelle]

Yeah

[toxic schooner]

[surreal sapphire]

neukirch's algebraic number theory

i mean not quite 50%

[toxic schooner]

holy hell

[surreal sapphire]

but we do a lot from neukirch in less pages

[torn willow]

I don't think you are allowed to advertise without permission

[devout nacelle]

Don't post advertisements here.

I'll be taking this down. You are suggested to refrain from advertising here.

[limpid venture]

That's your guy

[devout nacelle]

[undone wren]

tterra sounds like "teapot" in spanish

[neat lintel]

[crystal stream]

MY FAMILY CREST IS A DEMON OF DEATH hello.

[viscid pecan]

Go take a nap

[devout nacelle]

[fringe needle]

https://youtu.be/wd5FiHqui-E a while since the last video but ill be making more in the days to come so hopefully thy'll be good. Nvm the 5 empty seconds at the start i trimmed it but it's processing

[rancid meadow]

why r the margins like that

[fringe needle]

that's the format of my presentation

[dim tapir]

Im taking alg 2 in a month and dis is my school schedule for it

I paid $300 for it and I have the option to opt out with refund by the end of today

Idk if I should do this or not, especially considering im supposed to learn everything in a month

Can I get some advice?

I'm taking bc I want to take precalc next year

just feels like a lot and I'm just so stressed rn

[leaden torrent]

its all standard material, just fast paced

so its up to you whether you think you can handle the pacing i guess

[cinder zephyr]

^

[leaden torrent]

a typical high school course takes 4-5 months, this is compressed into a single month

but youre probably not taking 4 other courses alongside it

[cinder zephyr]

This all comes down to you needing to out in the work and time

[leaden torrent]

so you can dedicate your full time to it

of course, you might not want to dedicate your entire study time to 1 subject, which is totally reasonable

but we can't make that call for you.

[dim tapir]

It's summer break so it's only this subject but everything feels to be going so fast my mind is panicking

I'll just try to dedicate all my time to it ig

Otherwise I can't take classes I want in my senior year

[grim token]

Uhh guys

Where is discussion 2

Why is ther discussion 3 but not discussion 2

[rancid meadow]

discussion-2 got sick

[grim token]

Omg

They must have eaten

monkey

[thorn brook]

It got sick of the crap that we wrote

[summer nest]

Seems a little odd

[neat lintel]

1+1=3

[terse flax]

yes

[errant kiln]

didn't even notice

[orchid zenith]

it's like the pig 1, 2, 4 prank

[neat lintel]

you guys don't see #discussion-2 ?

[terse flax]

I do

[compact tartan]

there's actually discussion-0 through 9

they're occupied

[cold needle]

secret bot

[vagrant kestrel]

how long can this 1+1=3 joke last

[cinder zephyr]

at least 1+1 hours

[sick burrow]

wait what happened to the channel name

[cold needle]

what are you talking about?

[sick burrow]

#econ-general got renamed

[cinder zephyr]

?

[hallow wasp]

interrupting

gimmie a format

[sick burrow]

Kamigawa-Block Pauper Tiny Leaders

[hallow wasp]

Im thinking 3 sentences about my background/me and then rest answering everything else, context is for math program dynamical systems

[cinder zephyr]

Poem

[velvet dagger]

Did someone say dynamical systems

[neat lintel]

no

[viscid pecan]

Dami why would you think that the emerging properties of natural phenomena do not all have mathematical consistency at some point?

[neat lintel]

[viscid pecan]

If something exists and we have the methodology to show that it is not superstition, how can it not have a mathematical explanation?

Even if the explanation lacks consistency due to complexity

I think at the end of the day, Mathematics becomes the most important subject for our knowledge of most things to progress. At least knowledge in the hard sciences and engineering.

But I would also not dismiss the possibility of using mathematics to justify arguments in the humanities.

i would consider it the backbone of determining how our civilization progresses and eventually may surpass or become the demise of the great filter.

[velvet dagger]

@viscid pecan so the universe just is the way it is. Math is good at describing it because it has a lot of regularity

[viscid pecan]

I think the collective goal of humanity is honestly to surpass the great filter at this point.

Ahh... I really like that explanation

[upper patrol]

🤔

what is going on in there

[velvet dagger]

But it doesn't have to have a lot of regularity

[errant rock]

this is haram

[viscid pecan]

what defines this regularity exactly?

just correlaries?

[velvet dagger]

That used to be the announcements channel lol

It's called feet so we can joke about having a feet channel

[upper patrol]

weird name for an announcement channel

lol

[velvet dagger]

No it only got called that now that it's defunct

Nobody should be able to see it

[neat lintel]

daminark is lying to you it's actually a feet channel

[velvet dagger]

Ur a feet channel

[upper patrol]

anyways, regarding the discussion above: we can only qualitatively describe how the world works via mathematics. however im not sure if every aspect of mathematics will be relevant (like say, infinite set theory).

[broken scaffold]

kinda sully

[viscid pecan]

But perhaps those aspects are still relevant in a highly abstract way

Maybe not to qualitatively describe the universe but still in some aspects, provide quantitative arbitrary descriptors

Because you can come up with something rigorous with mathematics and the limits of human perspective, that aspect of human perspective on a collectively valid level becomes some quantitative descriptor that may directly or indirectly at some point attach itself to a qualitative descriptor

Now it looks like we are philosophizing mathematics at that point

[hallow wasp]

Many topics in biology interest me, but ecology has always stood out to me because knowing effects of the relationships between many organisms can give a history of the environment Opinions on this sentence?

any improvements,confusions?

how could you transform the sentence into one giving an extraordinary opinion

👍

honesty

what is that supposed to be

[neat lintel]

you don't know about NUHT? get with the times bro

[velvet dagger]

lmofa

[narrow rock]

lmofa

[deep mango]

Non-uniformly hyperbolic anything

Disgusting

[deep mango]

[sharp mulch]

Teehee~~~

[hallow wasp]

sauce!

please

[sharp mulch]

Prestigious passions

[hollow ginkgo]

What happened to #discussion-2?

[hallow wasp]

i dont even bl or romance but indo appreciate this

[velvet dagger]

We're still searching for it

[cold needle]

^

[broken scaffold]

​

[grim token]

Uhh guys

why

is this discussion 4

there is no discussions 2 and 3

[errant rock]

new discussion index new me

[torn willow]

You see this is what we call a warp in the mario community

1-1 -> 1-2 -> 4-1

[deep mango]

when are chmonkey and mirza coming back

🤨

[leaden torrent]

why are you in a server with a blair waldorf emoji

[bronze pelican]

[deep mango]

lmao

[torn willow]

What is Blair Waldorf

[deep mango]

it's the blairstanclub server nami, you haven't joined it?

[leaden torrent]

it just seems like a bizarrely specific fanclub to be a part of.

[toxic schooner]

Ok now where is discussion 3?

[leaden torrent]

then again, i knew someone who was a huge fan of a random character from my little pony that apparently only appeared in backgrounds and never spoke a line

i, naturally, avoided associating with them

[torn willow]

warp zone moment

[toxic schooner]

Ok then

[errant rock]

it's a good show

[neat lintel]

there was also a cynical guy named Max

where did he go?

[leaden torrent]

there and back again

[errant rock]

marxj is still here

[devout nacelle]

marx j

[neat lintel]

im waiting for discussion 5

[vivid halo]

discussion number goes up any time there is a new discussion topic

[toxic schooner]

who is keeping track of the number of discussions

[limpid venture]

No one

[vivid halo]

mods

[toxic schooner]

[torn willow]

Why is it 6

[cold needle]

:thinkeyes: wdym

why not 6

[limpid venture]

Name it succ(5)

[neat lintel]

why not 69420

[vagrant kestrel]

#discussion-A(4,5)

[meager sonnet]

at this point it'd be like 4-5 digits

[toxic schooner]

yea

not that efficient to go and read nearly 2.14 million messages

[limpid venture]

No, it reaches 69 and we stop there

[meager sonnet]

2.14 million in this channel

oh lord

[vagrant kestrel]

,w Ackermann function (4,5)

[fathom swallow]

Results provided by WolframAlpha

Click here to refine your query online
Upgrade to WolframAlpha Pro!

Requested by Plurmorant#1811

[toxic schooner]

not in this one lol, in both this and the #discussion channel combined

this has about 100k

ish

[toxic schooner]

based

[toxic schooner]

what is this

[limpid venture]

,w Ackermann function

[fathom swallow]

Results provided by WolframAlpha

Click here to refine your query online
Upgrade to WolframAlpha Pro!

Requested by The Godfather#1908

[limpid venture]

This guy fights Titans and does math in his free time

[toxic schooner]

lol

[neat lintel]

hackerman function

[maiden lily]

Ackermann function reminds me of SA

[cursive coral]

Discussion 6?

[fringe needle]

Why is discussion gradually getting bigger

[neat lintel]

idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[leaden torrent]

hey dont pin this on the entire mod team

its just me who thinks its funny

[toxic schooner]

instant copy pasta

[toxic schooner]

oo

[limpid venture]

New copypasta material

[leaden torrent]

idk who renamed #chill though

that wasnt me

[bold ferry]

chill 0 doesnot sound bad ngl

[toxic schooner]

Idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[compact tartan]

idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[torn willow]

When are we hitting discussion-epsilon |epsilon|>8

[neat lintel]

already did

[neat lintel]

Did you make #serious-discussion ?
Yes.
What did it cost?
#recursion and #how-to-link-how-to-get-help

where is discussion 2,3,4,5,6

[cinder zephyr]

You can't see them?

Strange

[limber thunder]

idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[torn willow]

Reminder this exists

[nimble shuttle]

Idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[neat lintel]

Idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[proven umbra]

[neat lintel]

Idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

Idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[errant kiln]

Idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[hybrid zephyr]

idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[reef carbon]

idk, mods seem to think its funny to rename their channels with higher numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[bold ferry]

idk, mods sem to think its funy to renam their channels with highe numbers as if there are those many. shows how mature they are.

[brave hollow]

idk, mods s-seem t-to think its funny t-to wenyame theiw channyews with highew nyumbews as if thewe awe those many. shows how matuwe they awe.
cries

[broken scaffold]

idk~ mods seem uwu to think its funny uwu to wenyame theiw channyews wif highew nyumbews as owo if dewe awe dose many. shows how matuwe dey awe.

[hallow wasp]

channie..

i wonder why there is an arbitrary line between #serious-discussion and #shitpost

[broken scaffold]

have you seen The Thin Red Line?

[hallow wasp]

this one?

[vast surge]

What happened to #recursion?

[toxic schooner]

it got snapped

[limpid venture]

Mods are shitposting in it so we can't access it now

[vast surge]

[limpid venture]

Think about it

Shitposting by mods have gone down considerably since the disappearance of recursion so it all adds up

[vast surge]

Well then.

I also figured out how to get LaTeX in my school email, which is chool.

So no more emailing professors saying "I have a question in the attached pdf".

(but only if I send emails from my computer from firefox)

[rancid meadow]

just type your emails using the word equation editor

or do what I do and just send unrendered latex code because most people can read it anwyays

[vast surge]

Yeah I used to do that as well a bit but nobody can read my unrendered TikZ

[rancid meadow]

sending tikz in an email

just send a photo

[vast surge]

No

TikZ

[devout nacelle]

#category-theory message

Alternative

[rancid meadow]

jesus

[devout nacelle]

[vast surge]

I once drew an aeroplane in tikz

[devout nacelle]

[vast surge]

I'm considering trying to draw Batman in tikz at some point, I think that would be fun

[neat lintel]

ok

i wanna be the very best....

[fringe needle]

https://youtu.be/-Kw6kW7B62o my take on everyone's favorite function

[devout nacelle]

[bold ferry]

thats so cool Narwhal

[torn willow]

I think literally the only problem with your videos are they are more than 15 minutes long

And YT algo doesn't like that

[sleek wing]

my mans ain't gonna sacrifice the VISION for some ALGORITHM

[neat lintel]

idk why people like to call the exponential function "the most important function in mathematics" sounds so pretentious and cringe imo

[bronze pelican]

PTYamin: posts 2 hr long lectures to yt

[compact tartan]

mood

[vagrant kestrel]

Carla you're not alone

[sleek wing]

it's kinda everywhere tho!

also it's a homomorphism

[fringe needle]

@bold ferry tysm!

@torn willow i dont mind i have fun making them 🤷‍♂️

[astral marsh]

i would argue shou's function is more important

[velvet dagger]

the fuck lol

[nimble shuttle]

are they spitting facts dami?

[velvet dagger]

No printer only fax

[fathom swallow]

BelowAveragePlayer02

[slate dawn]

^ This looks cooler than the dot product xd

[sharp mulch]

That looks hideous

The spacing is so bad

[fathom swallow]

BelowAveragePlayer02

[slate dawn]

idk why there is that extra space

[sharp mulch]

$\bra{a}\ket{b}$

[fathom swallow]

The Count of Thorns

[slate dawn]

thanks

no

[sharp mulch]

[slate dawn]

there is only one | in this meme

[sharp mulch]

$\expval{A}{\Psi}$

[fathom swallow]

The Count of Thorns

[sharp mulch]

$\expval{W}{o}$

[fathom swallow]

The Count of Thorns

[sharp mulch]

$\expval{W}{u}$

[fathom swallow]

The Count of Thorns

[sharp mulch]

[vagrant kestrel]

good meme

[crystal stream]

yeah

stolen tho

okay done with studying for the day

my brain is fried

[summer nest]

What did you study

[crystal stream]

autocad fucking end me
statistics
calc 3
systems analysis

[summer nest]

You're in mechanical engineering?

[crystal stream]

systems engineering it's called

[summer nest]

Ohh okayy

What are systems here?

[crystal stream]

mostly software stuff used by organizations

[summer nest]

Ohh okayy

Why do you need AutoCAD for software design though?

[crystal stream]

honestly no idea

[summer nest]

[crystal stream]

everyone has to take the class, no matter what sort of engineering you're pursuing

[summer nest]

I'm in ME and we need AutoCAD for engineering design and simulations

[hallow wasp]

CAD is used everywhere

autocas is a specific cad

[summer nest]

Yeah CAD

[crystal stream]

it's not a bad app tbh

still didn't stop me from getting tilted

[summer nest]

There's fusion 360

I'm trying to learn CAD from that

Controls look much easier

[crystal stone]

Engineering job I applied to months ago gets back to me

"Wow your resume is really impressive but we won't be going through with you"

Why even tell me that my resume is impressive

Just fkin' give me engi job

[hallow wasp]

mood

[summer nest]

What kinda engineering?

[crystal stone]

I applied to Mechanical-Electrical-Thermal engineering positions

About 250 or so

With no hits

Mainly because I don't know any engineering

[summer nest]

My cousin brother didn't get accepted at a lot of places because he did masters and apparently he's overqualified

[crystal stone]

Most of my family worked for aerospace industry in california

[summer nest]

Nicee

[crystal stone]

My dad/mom worked menial jobs there

[summer nest]

Ohh

[crystal stone]

My uncle's an engineer w/ 30 years of experience

At the same company

My grandmother worked for that company as a secretary

[summer nest]

My favorite branches in engineering are aerospace and nuclear

[crystal stone]

My favorite branches in engineering is whatever gives me a paycheck

[summer nest]

30 years

[crystal stone]

So far, I have no favorites

Yeah, my dad worked at the company for 23 years when he got laid off in 2008 during the crisis

[summer nest]

Is he still in engineering?

[crystal stone]

My Dad?

Or my uncle

[summer nest]

Did he get a job somewhere else?

Your dad

[crystal stone]

My Dad's dead

[summer nest]

Sorry

[crystal stone]

He moped around for a while, worked in IT, then retired, then died

[summer nest]

Ohh I'm sorry

[crystal stone]

No worries, it happens to all of us

[summer nest]

I don't know what to say

[frigid lark]

I applied for a internship at the gouvernment, to deal with cryprography. I got rejected after a lot of detailed talking about the internship. "The capacity is already reached in that section"

[summer nest]

[frigid lark]

Nice job. Thanks for wasting my time 😂👍

[summer nest]

I probably know how my job search after engineering will go like

[frigid lark]

🦢Atleast my professor was nice enough to offer be some beginner internship to deal with the topic I want. Uff

[neat lintel]

this is a prompt to murder someone who currently has the job you want so you can take it

[summer nest]

Who has a job of Dyson sphere engineering?

I feel like most of the low paying jobs provided here can be automated

Using programming and all

[crystal stone]

As I typed this the engineering company my entire family works for called me

I got an interview next week

This world is crazy

[vagrant kestrel]

think of all the references

[sharp mulch]

[summer nest]

[crystal stone]

Yuh - no mo math education center if I get this

[summer nest]

Moonbears - aerospace boi

[crystal stone]

Anyone know any good resources on signal processing?

[summer nest]

[crystal stone]

I have to convince some people Harmonic Analysis and PDEs are useful

To signal processing

[summer nest]

[mild nebula]

Don't kek. They'll likely care a lot more about your ability to work in a team and do what you're told

[summer nest]

Imagine you go through all that trouble and in the end that decide "just use Wolfram Alpha bro"

[mild nebula]

Grats on the interview these don't come easy

[narrow rock]

[mild nebula]

Your greatest strength is attention to detail. Watch as the job is immediately yours

[crystal stone]

I have to BS my way through

MatLab and Signal Processing

[summer nest]

I think we have an elective on signal processing next semester

But they're not teaching it though

[crystal stream]

going to study signal processing during the winter break

[crystal stone]

I got about a week or two to go from nothing

To doing well in an interview on it

[summer nest]

I have a week to go for doing well in PDEs and C language

[velvet dagger]

https://terpconnect.umd.edu/~toh/spectrum/HarmonicAnalysis.html maybe?

Idk

[sharp mulch]

Look at Daubechies work in wavelets

[viscid pecan]

@crystal stone what is the role description

[crystal stone]

Git gud at Matlab

[viscid pecan]

Lol

That’s a terrible way to prepare for an interview

I’m sure there is more to it than matlab

[crystal stone]

There's Fourier analysis and some signal stuff

But at the end of the day I have to model using matlab

[leaden torrent]

a question: why is a pure/applied math split in undergrad degrees relatively commonplace (not universal, but a fair few schools have it), while a theoretical/programming-oriented CS split is basically unheard of?

obviously the coursework a CS major chooses soft-influences whether theyre more "theoretical" or "programming"

but the distinction isnt really ever formalized like it often is with mathematics

i guess you could argue that software engineering major vs math-cs double major kind of reflects the split

but obviously a lot of students get CS degrees that fit in neither category

[velvet dagger]

I think it's quite school dependent

[mellow moon]

First depends on country's philosophy, then on the chosen school yeah

[velvet dagger]

I guess the question is, how common is it that a given school straight up does not have an "Applied Math" major separate from the "Math" major

[leaden torrent]

in canada almost every school makes some distinction, in the US from my experience it seems more 50/50

but the point is that its still a nonnegligible amount\

whereas ive never heard of two separate CS degrees with the same goal as pure vs applied math

again, unless you count software engineering or w/e

[velvet dagger]

I've seen it before

I have not seen a software engineering major exactly but I remember in high school when I was deciding whether to apply to MIT or not

They had practically 3 majors along these lines

[limber thunder]

it's very country-dependent, iirc Russia didn't even make such a distinction during the entirety of the last century while in the US there's always been the AMS and separately a similar institution for applied/industrial mathematics

[velvet dagger]

There was "computer science", "computer engineering", and one which was mixed electrical engineering/computer science

[leaden torrent]

thats my point though

a lot of stuff is thrown under engineering instead of CS but like

theres still plenty of programming going under the "computer science" stream

its not "pure" CS

to clarify: obviously you need to know how to program to do CS, but i mean that theres many students in a "pure" CS program where 90% of their coursework is just on programming, practical algos, and databases

which is fine, but you wouldnt see that in a pure math program if the school also offers applied math

such students would be in the other major

[broken scaffold]

how much CS is actually relevant

[velvet dagger]

Hmm, I mean I think in a lot of schools the first 2 years of the math major anyway are uniformly computational right?

[leaden torrent]

thats a uniquely american trend afaik

[velvet dagger]

I guess I haven't personally seen what you're talking about, Chicago's CS major has its own style

[leaden torrent]

i didnt take a computational math course until 2nd year basic stats

and even that had some measure theory

[velvet dagger]

There's no engineering major and the CS major sorta has a mix of things and can be customized to be theory heavy or systems heavy

[leaden torrent]

(though very minimal since it was also taken by physics students)

[velvet dagger]

Idek if there's a way to customize it to become heavy on programming for software engineers lol

Unless systems counts

But a lot of CS research at UChi is systems so even if it's more practical, it's also a real research area

I guess we can take a look at some of the hotshot CS places and see?

(I restrict to that list since otherwise a lot of weird decisions are made for lack of funding anyway)

[leaden torrent]

carnegie mellon for example:

Undergraduate Majors
The School of Computer Science offers bachelor's degrees in artificial intelligence,computational biology, computer science and human-computer interaction. Interdisciplinary majors in computer science and the arts, and music and technology are also available.

theres nothing focused on purely theoretical CS

you could argue that "computer science" fits the bill

except then theres nothing focused on generic practical CS

since AI/comp bio/interfacing are all somewhat niche

(AI less so nowadays but still)

[velvet dagger]

Well in that case I'm guessing the CS major just goes both ways then, similar to Chicago

Right?

[leaden torrent]

yeah thats my point

the distinction is never formalized

everyone is lumped under the same degree

whereas math is often separated into pure/applied

[velvet dagger]

Well I mean at that point it's similar to places which just have a "math" major

[leaden torrent]

im not necessarily saying this approach is better or worse

ultimately as long as students have the freedom to take the courses they want/need, its fine

[mellow moon]

"human-computer interaction" always seems to be a scam to me, like some texts and presentation on it looks like bad social sciences, maybe I met the bad ones , but ...

[leaden torrent]

im just curious why theres a distinction

[velvet dagger]

Math seems to just have one degree but possible "concentrations"

[leaden torrent]

i dislike it too but i dont think its a priori illegitimate

[velvet dagger]

And actually CS does that too at CMU

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/academics/undergraduate/concentrations

So yeah it seems CMU just has a uniform standard here. You major in X and then specialize

[leaden torrent]

like, interface design, language recognition, ethics of computing, that kind of thing

all very relevant to many modern applications of computing

[vagrant kestrel]

CS is separated too but in a better way

[leaden torrent]

i mean dami i guess whats inspiring this is like

if i hear someone say "im majoring in cs" and ask a career question, ill often have to follow up with

"whats your future plans? programming or research? academic research or for a company?" etc

whereas if they say "im majoring in math", half the time thatll come with an "applied" or "and minoring in physics" or whatever

[mellow moon]

I have a friend of me that do a PhD on social interaction trough VR devices, everythings seems to be huge amount of bullshit, sorry for my friend, but holly fuck

[leaden torrent]

and the other half ill just ask "pure or applied"

and theyll be able to immediately answer

whereas a CS student might not even know what their "specialization" is

[vagrant kestrel]

ooh I have a friend doing VR research too

[leaden torrent]

what does "social interaction through VR devices" mean

like

VRChat?

surely im misunderstanding

[mellow moon]

VrChat was used for some experiences yeah

but not only

There is some specific (not very legit to me) questions

like : do we keep empathy if, the people your are talking with have a more or less realistic 3D model in the application

this kind of stuff

[vagrant kestrel]

HCI has an equation for how good someone is at osu

[leaden torrent]

one of these dumb puzzles

joy

[hallow wasp]

wtf

[mellow moon]

?

[hallow wasp]

HCl?

[vagrant kestrel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law

[hallow wasp]

or HCI

[leaden torrent]

man i hate that discord font doesnt distinguish I and l

unless i squint

[hallow wasp]

i think imma download another font

[toxic schooner]

i cant see which one is which here

[hallow wasp]

and then run an extension on discord only

[toxic schooner]

[hallow wasp]

just to show I and L

[vagrant kestrel]

born too late to play mario RPG

[devout nacelle]

@neat lintel Why are you pinging Namington again and again?

[toxic schooner]

stop pinging for no reason

[leaden torrent]

,av

[fathom swallow]

Namington#1983's Avatar

Click here to view the image.

[devout nacelle]

There

[leaden torrent]

its frogfucius from super mario rpg

fwiw

[vagrant kestrel]

pretty good graphics

[errant rock]

stop this is haram

[leaden torrent]

i have been stolen

[vagrant kestrel]

gomez, ryc, now namington

[errant rock]

i know you are not namington because i havent blocked nami yet 😇

[vagrant kestrel]

server cloning is almost complete

[hallow wasp]

,av

[fathom swallow]

Marlin Flier#7333's Avatar

Click here to view the image.

[vagrant kestrel]

oh it's a monkey

[errant rock]

is that monke

[hallow wasp]

homonid uprising

[errant rock]

boo get better material

[hallow wasp]

i thought he was namington

[leaden torrent]

yeah im done

[errant rock]

i am never going to open your messages again. you dont want that do you 🤬

[hallow wasp]

oh no

i liked the skit

[velvet dagger]

Hmm

Again I guess I haven't seen as sharp of a difference as you have between math and CS but if I had to guess

I think heavily theoretical CS kinda has the same limited appeal that heavily theoretical math does

But then practical CS has a different dynamic from applied math

Since among people who are math-y and interested in applications, you could see some doing applied math, some doing physics, some doing stats, etc

P(you're pure|you're a math major) >>>>>> P(you're pure|you're a CS major)

[hallow wasp]

i think its because practical CS is used more as a tool than a topic of research

even though it is used as both

[velvet dagger]

Since a lot of the "non pure mathy types" aren't math majors whatsoever

[fringe needle]

gamma time https://youtu.be/HogRU4Z9R-g

[toxic schooner]

Oooo

[sleek wing]

Gamma... fraud-ction...

[fringe needle]

?

[leaden torrent]

i posted in #changelog for the first time

does this make me a big boy

[crystal stream]

since 1/gamma is entire and nonconstant, it must be unbounded

does go to infinity as x goes to minus infinity?

[fringe needle]

dont quote me on this but im quite sure it oscillates as x goes to minus infinity

but the oscillations quickly grow

[crystal stream]

wolframalpha says it oscillates in argument but goes to infinity

[rancid meadow]

when post in #『staff-summaries』

[sharp mulch]

[errant kiln]

what's that?

[rancid meadow]

bot dev

[errant kiln]

[vagrant kestrel]

we have bots?

besides the social credit score one

[summer nest]

[rancid meadow]

apparently quite a few

or well, one very powerful one

[errant kiln]

why doesn't trueboxguy have it then? 0.0

[rancid meadow]

i think because he actually ahs contributed lol

he's the only one w/ the gear role thats actually contributed to the codebase i think

[errant kiln]

btw, my hard drive's full again

and I don't know why

I think it's just windows taking up so much space

[vagrant kestrel]

use windirstat to see what's filling it

[errant kiln]

how much space does windows usually take?

because the plate's only 128gb

[vagrant kestrel]

my windows folder is 30 GB

[errant kiln]

that's just a joke

[summer nest]

Powerful bot?

[rancid meadow]

yes

[errant kiln]

EXCUSE ME (it says "temporary internet files")

[thorn brook]

here's a tip

go to like the folder thing

find system32

ehhh

right click

and then click "delete"

it will save you space, trust me

(jk don't do it. I know that you won't do it but just in case)

[sleek wing]

I'm going to do it

[mild nebula]

Wow! Thank you for the suggestion! I have so much space now, it's like nothing's here at all!

[thorn brook]

Yes, I know. The system32 takes a lot of space apparently so you just have to delete it

[torn willow]

209 gb

That's how much space it takes on my pc, apparently

[vagrant kestrel]

lol somethings wrong then

[torn willow]

I guess deleting it was a good thing

Nvm 209 GB was the size of my c partition

[sick burrow]

ok that makes more sense

[leaden torrent]

namington storytime:

as ive mentioned here before, as an undergrad i ended up TAing an intro CS course despite being a math major who took 0 CS classes

when students found out that i wasnt even in a CS program, some thought itd be the perfect chance for them to get help with their intro calc homework as well

anyway, one student in particular asked for help with integration homework, and i told them to go to our math tutoring centre since i wasnt trained to TA math

but they said they "just wanted me to check over answers" so, since no one else was at office hours and i was a pushover, i obliged

but rather than like, showing me their work

they read it from their own notes and started narrating it out loud

this is concerning for multiple reasons (acadishonesty type stuff), but all of those concerns paled in comparison to this:

whenever they read "dx" or "dy" in an integral

they pronounced it "direct x" or "direct y" or whatever

[cold needle]

oh no

oh

[toxic schooner]

oh god

[cold needle]

i thought you were gonna say they said dix and die

[bronze pelican]

[leaden torrent]

apparently they thought that direct x, like the graphics platform, shared commonality with the etymology of the dx in integration

or something

[cold needle]

What

[pure sun]

microsoft directx 12?

[leaden torrent]

exactly

[bronze pelican]

Wat

[leaden torrent]

i corrected them but they were persistent on this

[bronze pelican]

[leaden torrent]

it wasnt just like

[pure sun]

oh no :(

[leaden torrent]

a slip of the tongue

from someone whod been too exposed to CS and was getting words mixed up

they actually thought dx meant "direct x"

i have no clue what they think the etymology of it was.

[torn willow]

"my dx =12"

[toxic schooner]

idk if to call it dedication to CS, or just ignorance

[leaden torrent]

they never came back to my office hours.

[toxic schooner]

[leaden torrent]

but i can sense that they didnt believe me when i said it wasnt pronounced "direct x"

the only thing thats i could mayyyybe see justifying that confusion is

sometimes when integrating regions in R^n for n>1 we talk about "directional integrals"

like if youre integrating on a plane you might think "horizontal direction integral" or "vertical direction integral"

to represent which integral comes first in a double integral

dxdy or dydx

maybe they thought that "horizontal direction" became "direct x" somehow???

and that microsoft directX was named after this????

[cold needle]

no idea

[leaden torrent]

anyway, consider this an application of calculus in programming.

[snow berry]

i mean they could have just misheard

[pure sun]

this sort of reminds me of a studnet i had a couple years ago who was trying to learn latex

[snow berry]

theres no way they use integration of directional regions

[pure sun]

and one day in office hours she showed me her code (for some reason) and i noticed when it compiled that she had like, 25 errors, but it still compiled

i was like "oh we should fix this" and she was like "no it's fine, it always does that". i looked at her document and didnt see anything off

but then when i actually checked the errors

she was doing things like \begin{problem} \end{problem}

without actually properly setting that up

but i didnt notice anything in the document cuz

after every \begin{problem} she had written \textbf{Problem 11.3}

[cold needle]

ah

it just didnt appear

everything else compiled fine

i see

[pure sun]

and yet she was just completely okay with this

having dozens of errors hahaha

[cold needle]

cursed

[pure sun]

because "at least it compiled"

haha

[vivid halo]

OVERFULL HBOX

[pure sun]

hahahaha

[leaden torrent]

also confession

i still dont know what 99% of C/C++ error messages mean

without googling

and 99% is probably a low estimate

[cold needle]

im pretty sure c/c++ errors are usually incomprehensible anyways

its not just u

[leaden torrent]

yeah but i fuckin TAed the course

[vivid halo]

if you write something in C++ template metaprogramming that doesn't compute what you want is that a compile error?

[leaden torrent]

and i had to google it every time

[snow berry]

how the

well at least u know how to google

was it a beginners course

[leaden torrent]

most problems were solved by googling or by cross-referencing the instructor solution

yes, intro course

[cold needle]

sorry! segmentation fault. fuck you

[leaden torrent]

students learned python for 1 semester and C++ for another

and a bit of C