serious-discussion

[short shard]

But I can suggest some

Good ones

[rapid yew]

Sometimes it happens with me too like when I'm obsessed Over a song

[short shard]

I listen to phonk, lofi, electro swing, metalcore, guitar instrumentals

[rapid yew]

Sure I'll give it a shot to em

[vernal token]

No pop rock?

[rapid yew]

Tho I've listened lofi,guitar instrumental

[vernal token]

Stuff like imagine dragons, ...

[short shard]

I'm not a fan of pop

[rapid yew]

Oh yes that's good tho bro

[short shard]

This one I added today https://youtu.be/woFvFaB4stk?si=-oz22KcLbK-5HoOO

[rapid yew]

Fan of soft music?

[short shard]

Wdym by that exactly

[short shard]

Stuff like this? https://youtu.be/oSDNIINcK08?si=YjPVY3Bxao3aVqIH

[rapid yew]

Like Clam music do u like such songs?

[short shard]

Calm music?

I count that as lofi

Ig

This one is metalcore https://youtu.be/jmU2HH0LHmY?si=7RtAuqLn2l4pXMwJ

[rapid yew]

Yeah like lofi n guitar tunes can be come under that

[short shard]

Do you know polyphia

They do pure guitar instrumentals

[rapid yew]

Nope I don't

[short shard]

They're pretty good (imo) https://youtu.be/8YqvOLfkwq8?si=R7ApaDy0p21S2VZ5

I also have a song that's like 9mins long

[rapid yew]

Damn bhaii its a nice song to relax

I liked it

[short shard]

Nice

[short shard]

Should I suggest other ones from them?

[rapid yew]

Suree

[short shard]

https://youtu.be/1JNmz17gnMw?si=jV4jJPlRCuK4fhXP

This one's louder

https://youtu.be/i7UkKEEGgAQ?si=GzWT0E0p7XbKlFoq

@rapid yew do you have any song suggestions?

[rapid yew]

It's cool

[rapid yew]

Um lemme think

Tbh current I can only suggest u Indian songs

[short shard]

Sure

[short shard]

This one is pretty relaxing https://youtu.be/V8IVroLfizI?si=YThhzsZs-a5XDX1Z

That's the 9 minute one

[rapid yew]

Any particular topic on which u want songs

[short shard]

What they sing about?

[rapid yew]

Like motivational or romance or anything else

[short shard]

Idc tbh

Most songs I listen to are neither

They're more about general dark topics

Like the one I sent earlier "masochist"

[rapid yew]

https://youtu.be/VThLsNIk9WQ?si=1SxWJwLNDjbIVq7p

Try this one

[short shard]

I'm not too much a fan of pop/folk sorry

[rapid yew]

https://youtu.be/_V5OU7dr9nc?si=c0StnB8WecqETfHr

Maybe this one

[rapid yew]

Oh I'm sorry

[short shard]

Same thing applies here sorry

[rapid yew]

I'm sorry coz I don't have any other songs

[short shard]

Nah it's fine

[short shard]

Btw you don't have to tell me you like it if you don't. Because I sometimes do that when others show me their music

It's very rare for me to find others with a similar music taste

[rapid yew]

Well I do the same but I liked ur suggestions

I'm into instrumental songs too

[short shard]

Then of course there's also the "I like it but it's not something I'd put in my playlist"

Me and some others use that sentence so often we thought about creating an acronym for it

[rapid yew]

Nahh bro I can put ur 1-2 songs in my Playlist

[short shard]

What oh no that was just a general statement lol

[rapid yew]

Oh no lmao

[short shard]

Also @vernal token imagine not listening to music

[vernal token]

Checks out

[rapid yew]

I thought he went to sleep or something lol

[short shard]

That's the name of the song

[vernal token]

I wanted to go to sleep tbh

[short shard]

In any case he should go to sleep after you. We're a few hours behind India

[vernal token]

My grandpa wakes up at like 6AM

[short shard]

Skill issue

[vernal token]

And often it waked me up

[short shard]

I go to bed at 6am

[rapid yew]

Go ahead bro

[vernal token]

Nah

[rapid yew]

Yes I just checked that

[rapid yew]

Whatt?

[short shard]

I know another guy from India and every time I'm up late on a school day he randomly writes me. Like bro don't you have school in 2 hours??

[vernal token]

The trick is to just sleep during boring lessons

[rapid yew]

Means u usually don't sleep huh?🤔

[short shard]

Once he wrote me and I said "hey dude don't you have to go to bed?" And he's like "I can't. I'm watching Michael Penn"

[vernal token]

Wake up during math Leistungskurs out of respect of course

[short shard]

😔

[rapid yew]

Can't do that in India

[short shard]

I've actually slept in class a few times

Because I go to bed too late

I go to bed at 2am and wake up at 6

On school days

[rapid yew]

Ah same

[vernal token]

Actually around the same, I go to bed at 1-2am or so and wake up at 6:30

[short shard]

I come home at 5pm. I'm not going to bed right after

[short shard]

Yeah it's 6:30 for me too but I have 3 alarms

[rapid yew]

Ohh

[short shard]

One at 6 one at 6:10 one at 6:20 and one at 6:28

[vernal token]

What if the third alarm fails

You need a fourth!

[short shard]

But I wake up at different times throughout the week

So I have like 50 alarms for each day

[short shard]

It's not even because they might fail. It's so that when I wake up I know I can still lie in bed

[rapid yew]

Happens with me😔

[short shard]

Happened to me once

[vernal token]

Did the teachers complain

[short shard]

But I magically woke up and only missed part of school

[rapid yew]

Happened to me this Monday only 😬

[short shard]

Nah because I'm just such a great student

[vernal token]

Fr they didn't?

[short shard]

My teachers like me

[rapid yew]

U r guys r lucky that u r allowed to enter after the school timings

[vernal token]

Your principal would've thrown a ball at your head

[short shard]

Only suits me right after throwing 2 balls at his head

On accident

[vernal token]

Yeah I know

[short shard]

Yeah but the others don't

[short shard]

I guess you're just not as considerate as me

And also humble

[vernal token]

I need to throw a desk out of the window first I guess..

[short shard]

[short shard]

Hey I'm still a good student

[fierce eagle]

@shrewd loom hi

[short shard]

I thinque

@shrewd loom hi

[shrewd loom]

I ACC HATE U FOR BRINGING ME INTO THIS CURSED CHANNEL

[shrewd loom]

NOT U TOO

[short shard]

Hi

[fierce eagle]

check comp math

[shrewd loom]

STOP PINGING ME IN OTHER CHANNELS

[short shard]

Say hi back

Pls

[shrewd loom]

hi Chrizzl_

[short shard]

🥹

What the fuck is this

[vernal token]

supreme mathcord emojis

[vernal token]

You need to learn the art of sully-ing too

[short shard]

I will embed your mom into R^3

Because she's not the klein bottle

I hope

Because if she was

Then I obviously couldn't do that

[tawdry pecan]

I am not embeddable in R^3

[short shard]

[short shard]

What about R^4

[shrewd loom]

thats because u are just R^3

like, the entire thing

[tawdry pecan]

And a little extra

[short shard]

R^3 can be embedded in R^3 though

Via the identity

[tawdry pecan]

Nah

[shrewd loom]

nuh uh

[short shard]

R^6?

[short shard]

Oh ok

[tawdry pecan]

Now we are cooking

[short shard]

Ok because if no I have bad news for you

[tawdry pecan]

For now at least

[shrewd loom]

R^n and n = infinity

[short shard]

Either your dimension is >3 or you're not smooth

[tawdry pecan]

What would that be

Ah

Could be both, doesnt matter if you cant tell

Or maybe its hyperbolic space

[shrewd loom]

hush being that only need R to be represented (im calling u 1 dimensional)

[short shard]

You're hyperbolic space?

[tawdry pecan]

I never said that

[short shard]

That would be pretty cool ngl

[tawdry pecan]

Its those microtubules, maaan

[analog rune]

How do i get better at math i really suck

[glacial panther]

bruh just practice the material

and i find this a lot with many people i know that aren't good. Usually, they just try to get formulae and techniques without understanding why it works

[serene rain]

practice material and learn stuff

that's all there is too it

in a sense it's really simple

that doesn't make it easy though of course

[wise pewter]

wake up every morning and recite the quadric formula, first 100 digits of pi, and integrate sin(x^2)

[outer axle]

Got a maths test on Friday wish me luck

It’s on quadratic equations

[wise bloom]

Lpl

[hardy iron]

Why is this so funny

just change the first digits of pi to last digits of pi

nonexistent formula, nonexistent digits and integral without elementary closed forms

[wise pewter]

there do be a quadric formula

or quartic?

i don't even rember what it's called

[hardy iron]

yeah

[cold needle]

want the 5th degree

quintic

[quaint cipher]

Why can someone still see my messages on the server even after I block them

[solar hawk]

Well you don’t see theirs

Is the point I guess

[neat lintel]

,av @outer axle

[fathom swallow]

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[neat lintel]

MCLOVIN

[quaint cipher]

But they can see mine

[solar hawk]

Yea

But the point is not to see theirs

[umbral forge]

Need strength rn, reading a proof with a FSA and there is 18 unique cases for it

[jolly junco]

Discord isn't private

[rocky shuttle]

<@&268886789983436800> spam in every channel

[patent bone]

hlo

[forest vale]

hlo

[carmine dirge]

hey guys, hows it going today?

We did a lot of hard works recebtly,but we did make something

that so proud

fine.

[tardy meadow]

i dont know what i should pursue

i have talent in both music and math

obviously choosing the more money-making career would be more stable

but im more talented at music than at math

[mint canopy]

Neither I, nor anyone else, can possibly choose for you.

But I will say this.

Talent gets you into something, but pretty much no matter how talented you are, it's hard work that matters in the end.

It seems to me that it'd be hard work to do either.

I would suggest doing the thing you enjoy best, putting aside career concerns.

[jagged forge]

music is hard to make a living in, as a former music major who dropped out, many of my friends now work in sales

one of my professors who was a former opera singer even gave the advice, only do music if you can't imagine yourself doing anything else for a career

[tardy meadow]

damn

[jagged forge]

obviously she was successful but I think there were many unglamorous parts to it

[tardy meadow]

wjat did u mean by dropped out? like you dropped out of uni?

[jagged forge]

yeah i dropped out

[tardy meadow]

for what

[jagged forge]

well

i switched to cs first then i dropped out after getting a job

so now i'm a software engineer

[tardy meadow]

dang

i could see myself doing engineering or medicine

so that means i shouldnt do music right

[robust brook]

i wouldn't choose it as main career

hobby? sure

[jagged forge]

i'd say, give engineering or medicine an earnest chance, keep fueling your music hobby in case you change your mind

[tardy meadow]

but i also do a sport

that would be hard to do 3 things well

[jagged forge]

mm

yeah

[tardy meadow]

i need to choose one and go full send

idk what ill be thinking in 20 years

[robust brook]

there are times where you can't study

[jagged forge]

well on the one hand, if you have more potential in music...

[robust brook]

what do you do in those times?

[jagged forge]

on the other hand, exercise is good for you

[tardy meadow]

i do sports, sometimes play video games and do ordinary teenager stuff

[robust brook]

i would just drop video games completely if i were you

[blazing pawn]

I dont really see why you "need" to go full send in any one given thing

if pouring all of your time into something is a requirement for being successful at it, and you don't actually want to do that but just feel obligated to, then maybe it's not a good fit for you

[tardy meadow]

i basically have, i don't play them every day and only regularly in the summer

[tardy meadow]

i want to do music and want to do engineerinf, medicien etc

[robust brook]

if you like math, you should try and do it every day

you'll build it as a habit

[tardy meadow]

yeah i kinda do

[robust brook]

i just do math every day without thinki ng about it

[blazing pawn]

I think this is really weird "advice" lol

[robust brook]

i used to play games too but math just became way more fun

[blazing pawn]

Telling people not to have hobbies is not healthy

[robust brook]

in what way?

[tardy meadow]

none of those i feel obligated to do without reason

[tardy meadow]

yeah math is actuallt fun when it gets theoretical

[robust brook]

video games don't bring anything good to you

it's better to do music

[tardy meadow]

as much as i hate to admit it yeah it is

[blazing pawn]

What?

[tardy meadow]

it's way more fun than studying but it gives me no return

[robust brook]

do you have any friends that do math for fun?

[blazing pawn]

What is it supposed to bring?

[robust brook]

you could talk with them

[robust brook]

most onilne video games bring more bad than good

[tardy meadow]

yeah i get really angry at them

they're really tense too

not good for relaxing

[blazing pawn]

Like, maybe, but you should not be without context telling people to abandon their hobbies in favor of sigma grindsetting lmfao

thats not healthy

[tardy meadow]

i have 1 and only 1

[robust brook]

there are better hobbies to choose from

you're saying that it's a weird advice without telling me why

[blazing pawn]

I don't think it is your responsibility to evaluate the quality of the hobbies of strangers on the internet...

[robust brook]

online video games tend to attract a lot of toxic people

i'm suggesting him lol.

[tardy meadow]

being in an asian household, my parents also disapprove of video games

[robust brook]

i'm giving him advice, what path he pursues is completely up to him

[blazing pawn]

And your suggestion is very weird!

[robust brook]

i have been in his place as well, and i can definitely say that online video games do not bring anything good

[robust brook]

ok

you not telling me why is weird

[blazing pawn]

I have

It is weird because you should not be telling random internet strangers to abandon their hobbies in favor of grinding xyz

[robust brook]

you should definitely try and get friends irl

[blazing pawn]

it is not a healthy relationship to have to work

[robust brook]

? lol

[tardy meadow]

no, i have many but only 1 of them likes talking about math

[blazing pawn]

Man you should just do whatever you want lol

[jagged forge]

my pov is, do what you want, but plan ahead

[tardy meadow]

i must make a decision now

[jagged forge]

obviously you want to invest in your future

but life should be enjoyed

[blazing pawn]

if you build a relationship to a career or goal out of a sense of obligation and not enjoyment its probably going to make you disatisfied with whatever that is, especially if you think you have to give up all of your other hobbies for it

[tardy meadow]

a career in music vs engineering is drastically different

[robust brook]

sure, i never said to study 24/7

even studying too much is bad for your mental health

[tardy meadow]

id need to take different aps

[robust brook]

too much of anything is bad for your mental health

[jagged forge]

i wouldn't do a career in music unless you're extremely sure it's the one thing you want to do

[blazing pawn]

You really dont as a high school student lol

[sick kite]

Drop everything. Grind math. Kill rival like Natalie Portman in black swan

Become schizophrenic

Wait I think she stabs herself in black swan

[blazing pawn]

What it feels like opening a paper I annotated 5 months ago only to be greeted with ???

[sick kite]

Oh my god I cackled

[mint canopy]

Hahaha

[tardy meadow]

im like 60/40 so that isnt enough

if i land a stable career in music, i'll live a pretty comfortable life, just that jobs for musicians are harder to find

[blazing pawn]

Idk i know a lot of college students in engineering and most of them seem to do and have done plenty of things that are not engineering

[robust brook]

do you like music?

[tardy meadow]

obviously

[robust brook]

getting a job will just ruin that fun for you imo

being obliged to do x just ruins the fun

[tardy meadow]

well

that doesnt change with anything else

[robust brook]

you should keep it as a hobby

something that you enjoy, not do it because of money

[tardy meadow]

so i should keep everything as a hobby

[robust brook]

i didn't say that

i suggest you study what you want as your main career

[blazing pawn]

The level of cognitive dissonance needed to be like "Yeah so you should abandon your hobbies in favor of living a more #productive #grindset life, there is nothing wrong or unhealthy about this" followed by "doing something professionally will innately make you hate it" is astounding

[tardy meadow]

i enjoy music and math, just music a little more

[robust brook]

do you see yourself success as a musician?

[tardy meadow]

music speaks to me more than math

although math also speaks to me

id also settle for math, it's anything but a mad path

[tardy meadow]

yes

if it is set-in-stone that i'm going down in music and grind as hard as I can for the next 8 or so years

not the sigma grindset though

[jagged forge]

"stable career in music" does a such a thing exist outside of professorship at universities

[robust brook]

looking at it from a logical point of view, i definitely think that math is really a better path

[tardy meadow]

lmao

[blazing pawn]

They dont even have tenure

[tardy meadow]

i guess maybe like

being a teacher

excluding uni

like at a highschool

or being an instructor

[jagged forge]

yeah music education was a big deal at my uni

[solid snow]

i think it's bad to view everything as an end instead of focusing on the means themselves

[tardy meadow]

or even a composer

[solid snow]

part of the fun of doing the thing you love is doing that thing

[jagged forge]

according to my uni literally 100% of music education majors there got jobs

[solid snow]

not just being in a position

[tardy meadow]

yeah same

[blazing pawn]

you keep talking about how you have to choose what your future career or whatever will be right now, immediately, so you can decide what to pour all of your time into from now on

[tardy meadow]

maybe the six figures were the lessons we learned on the way.

[blazing pawn]

But this seems very backwards

because the thing that it will be productive to pursue is whatever you are able to put a lot of time and effort into while maintaining a healthy and enjoyable relationship to it

[solid snow]

the only thing i concretely advise is to stay out of debt if possible

[blazing pawn]

So my question is, why not just do whatever you are inclined to for now and then mold your goals around what you do rather than the other way around

[tardy meadow]

but yeah i agree

[blazing pawn]

Obviously there are limits to this, for most people playing video games is not a realistic or stable career even if it is what they enjoy doing the most

[tardy meadow]

hold on could you put it a bit slower

im not getting the backwards forwards concept

[blazing pawn]

Like currently you are saying "I have to decide what im going to do for the rest of my life, so I can start grinding it and be successful"

[tardy meadow]

yup

[blazing pawn]

What we are saying is maybe you should put your time into things you enjoy that are also realistic career options (whatever those may be: maybe its music, though thats competitive. maybe it is mathematics, maybe its some form of engineering)

and then choose the career based on what you are naturally doing already

[tardy meadow]

so wjat you are sayijg is

to do what i'm currently doing and dont change a thing

and let my skills and knowledge develop

so that the right career path is clearer

[blazing pawn]

Yes probably

Well, if you dont spend your time deepening your skills or knowledge in these things already, then maybe it will not become clearer for a little while yet

But if you don't really want to invest time into learning more about x or getting better at y then its probably not a good idea to commit to doing those things professionally for the rest of your life as a 15 year old

[tardy meadow]

the problem is there'll come the time where i choose the actual right career path (whether that is music or engineering) and when i go down that path, i'll have wasted a lot of time doing the other thing (if i pursue engineering, it's music. if i pursue music, it's engineering)

[blazing pawn]

If learning about either of those things counts as wasting time to you if you dont pursue it professionally then maybe you don't really like them so much

[tardy meadow]

nah what im saying is

obviously a strong understanding of math is great in any circumstance

but it does not relate to music in any way

the same is vice versa

i'll be a musical god but if i take engineering, my prof would nod and say "cool"

[blazing pawn]

Ok but like if you enjoyed the time you put into doing that then it wasnt a waste

[tardy meadow]

alright thats what i needed to hear

[blazing pawn]

Its also like

You can do math and still spend a lot of time on music

I know plenty of undergraduates and grad students that do

[tardy meadow]

both are competetive though right

[blazing pawn]

its not like you'll never be able to play the piano again once you write down your major

[tardy meadow]

a guy who put 100% of his time on music will be way better than me who put 50% of mine into it

[blazing pawn]

Probably, but if you dont already want to put 100% of your time into music then its not a very good idea to commit to doing that because the process will probably make you very miserable

[tardy meadow]

i do want to

but at the same time, it'd be nice if i dedicated 100% to math

and another 100% to sports

and a 100% to family and friends

you know

[blazing pawn]

I mean it's one thing to want more hours in the day but like obviously you arent already doing that because on some level it would make you unhappy to give up your other hobbies and its also just not very realistic

[tardy meadow]

yeah

[blazing pawn]

Idk if you need to ask "Should I drop all my other hobbies and interests to focus 100% on one specific thing" and arent already doing it then this is probably a recipe for misery

[tardy meadow]

so the best thing would be to have 1 concrete goal

and maintain that while also prioritizing my social and mental life

[tardy meadow]

well i dont think i know anybody who is doijg this lol

[blazing pawn]

Sure but we have just arrived back where we have started where it seems like you just feel obligated to focus entirely on a singular specific thing and doing that out of obligation is likely to just make you unhappy

And if your response is "well but i need to do it or else i wont be able to be successful at this" then maybe its not such a good idea for you to commit to being successful at this thing as a 15 year old, because it means you will be spending the rest of your life pouring almost all your time and effort into this thing out of a sense of obligation

[tardy meadow]

i feel obligated but that obligation is from nobody but myself

and not that i'm forcing myself, but that I believe that i am fit for that patj

[blazing pawn]

if you were fit for that path (as in, it would be sustainable, and you would be happy putting the overwhelming majority of your time into this, and having a fun good time) then like... why are you not already doing it? why not just start now?

If you think grinding out music sounds fun then like quite literally pick up your instrument and start practicing and do it as much as you feel like doing it

If you think that learning about math sounds fun then pick up a textbook and start going through that

The worst case scenario is that you will put some time into it and go "Oh no! I don't want to do this anymore" and then stop

[tardy meadow]

i am

[tardy meadow]

i do this too

i admit that i don't do it as consistently as im supposed to

[blazing pawn]

ur not rly supposed to do anything

other than what u want to

[jagged forge]

yeah i think doing things out of obligation can be a kind of confused way to go about life

and probably the source of a lot of issues for me in school

[gusty socket]

lmao

i love this

[pliant breach]

good monin

[pliant breach]

i read the message, what's going on in there?

[gusty socket]

i just found it funny, i didn't really read the rest of the conversation

[pliant breach]

oh

well mb @blazing pawn can answer

[gusty socket]

well i mean you can just read the conversation

you don't need a summary because the conversation isn't that long

[pliant breach]

i tried, but it's all over the place

[gusty socket]

moth is just a modern day socrates

[solid snow]

bro we are not your personal ai assistant

😭

[pliant breach]

huh?

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-space-epic-mbed-fail-gif-21266064

[pliant breach]

well 1st not all games at all are online(i play 90% singleplayer games) 2nd mb just don't play games with shitty community?

[pliant breach]

?

[storm sage]

:gadfly:

[short shard]

Hello chat

[stable quartz]

Galois so young… He could bring another Math ideas?

[serene rain]

he's dead so no

[zealous garden]

What Greek am I

[solar hawk]

zeno

[solar hawk]

is that a good answsere

is zeno good

[zealous garden]

Idk

[zealous garden]

Did he do anything other than misunderstand infinite sums

[static loom]

did he?

[zealous garden]

Is his paradox not just misunderstanding the infinite sum

[vast wraith]

it is not a misunderstanding, because he was never introduced to the modern concept of a infinite sum (or the reasons we have for claiming they make sense)

a modern day finitist may also deny that infinite sums "exist," and they would not be wrong, they would simply be working with a different foundation

zeno's premise for his paradoxes of movement is precisely "actual infinite processes are impossible," he does not prove this, he takes it as a self-evident truth

there are interesting things to say about finitism in ancient atomism, which can be understood as a response to zeno

[tulip void]

Hi I'm turning 21 soon I haven't had my first kiss. I have 45,606 right now I work from 11:30 am to 9 pm. The limb lengthening surgery in South Korea is like 15,000 to 20,000 I'm 5'4" is this a bad or good idea I can be 5'8"

[serene rain]

honestly i think all these arguments about whether or not mathematical objects "exist" or not in various senses of that word has just lead me to feel that the question is actually ill posed, and "existence/nonexistence" is not a property that mathematical objects even have in the first place

[vast wraith]

some people take the question very seriously, but yeah i don't really see the significance

though this is easy for us to say who have the context of, like, Gödel

the current formalist predominance due (mostly) to hilbert is not at all representative of the history of mathematics

[serene rain]

or of how mathematicians mostly actually think

they just walk back to formalism to avoid having to think about philosophical questions to hard

(which is honestly fair enough)

[vast wraith]

mhm, formalism does have plenty of virtues, sadly it also makes it easy to forget what lead us to come up with it in the first place and what it misses— a certain richness of mathematical objects that i find difficult to explain to myself...

[tawdry pecan]

to be frank, thats a terrible idea. You aren't super short by any means, and I don't think that getting surgery for the reason you're articulating is a good idea. Plenty of people don't get a significant other till their 20s, dont ruin your life just because you're desparate

[vast wraith]

i only recently understood the difference between a logical theory and a model of it 😭

[tulip void]

Man

Nickle

[vast wraith]

god but i really should get to preparing for that algebra exam now, i just realized it's in exactly one week from now

[tulip void]

Nickle you there

[vast wraith]

actually i should probably ask for the studying role, i don't trust myself

[tulip void]

I think it's good motivation for me the height surgery

Cause I work from 11:30 am to 9:00 pm

And I go to the gym

And I improve my social skills and I try to have a better face skin care

Hygiene everything

Just so I can be prepared before I become 5'8

So it's really good motivation

[solid snow]

bro what

[serene rain]

to be frank gaining 4 inches will not improve your romantic life

[wooden falcon]

On foundations we believe in the reality of mathematics, but of course when philosophers attack us with their paradoxes we rush to hide behind formalism and say: ‘Mathematics is just a combination of meaningless symbols,’ and then we bring out Chapters 1 and 2 on set theory. Finally we are left in peace to go back to our mathematics and do it as we have always done, with the feeling each mathematician has that he is working on something real. This sensation is probably an illusion, but is very convenient. (from “The Work of Nicholas Bourbaki,” American Mathematical Monthly, 77(2), Feb 1970, p. 134–145).

I think this is accurate for many

[serene rain]

it's also pretty normal to have not been in a relationship by 21

and certainly doesn't indicate that you actually need to change anything

[tulip void]

It is

[wooden falcon]

I didn’t have my first relationship until I was 21 basically

[tulip void]

5'8 you have a 50% rejection rate

A 50:50 is really good

5'4 90% rejection rate

[serene rain]

that... wahat

no

that's not how that works

[tulip void]

I've seen the study

[serene rain]

at all

[tulip void]

Yes it is

[serene rain]

that study was shit then

to be plain

because that is not how people actually work

[tulip void]

So you think it's a lie

[serene rain]

to be honest yes

[tulip void]

Dude the girl I like is taller than me

So I must be at the same height minimum

[solid snow]

go to therapy or sumn

[serene rain]

no

[tulip void]

I know she will already reject me

[serene rain]

yeah go get therapy

[solid snow]

have you tried talking to her

[serene rain]

if you know that then there's no risk in asking her out anyway

[tulip void]

You know

This motivation

Is really good

The height surgery really really motivates to me improve myself

[serene rain]

but also you do not need to get taller

[neat lintel]

HI!

[serene rain]

it is possible to date women who are taller than you

you won't die as a consequence

[solid snow]

this is going to lead down a path of poor self image and a stunted world view

[serene rain]

(also note that people who claim otherwise are generally incels)

[tulip void]

O that's a lie

Yes

Idc if a girl is taller than me

You know

My view is already ruined

[flat harbor]

i need some tall girls in life

[serene rain]

then go to therapy

[tulip void]

For example I cried when a. Girl hugged me cause I don't think I deserve affection. From them

[serene rain]

it's cheaper than surgery

[tulip void]

Since I am so short

And I know girls hate short guys

[serene rain]

yeah therapy

definitely therapy

[serene rain]

have you actually um.. talked to a girl

[solid snow]

yeah please go get therapy or read feminist literature or something

[serene rain]

cos um... idk if i can speak for the rest of us but that's not true

[tulip void]

No

Not really

I don't really approach or talk o women cause of my height

[serene rain]

yeah i reccomend actually talking to some women

for nonromantic reasons

[flat harbor]

me when feminist literature

[tulip void]

So that probably is the reason why I have no experience

More than the height itself

[serene rain]

and yeah go to therapy

seriously

[flat harbor]

stop talking abt it on discoed

go outside

[tulip void]

Dude therapy is expensive

[serene rain]

cheaper than fucking surgery

and far less risky

[tulip void]

I saw the rates it 160 per session

[serene rain]

160 < 20k or wtv it was

[tulip void]

Ok should i

Just try it like once

Or something

[flat harbor]

better than whining abt it here mate

[gusty socket]

that's literally 2 years of therapy for less than your surgery

and it would do you better

[serene rain]

esp if you can find a good therapist

[gusty socket]

becuase, again, your height WILL NOT STOP YOU from talking to girls

and it will not enable you to talk to women afterwards

[tulip void]

Does insurance

Cover therapy

[gusty socket]

you should ask your insurer

[serene rain]

depends on your insurance

usually not, but they definitely won't cover height alteration surgery

[tulip void]

I see

[serene rain]

(which i should also note has a months long recovery, and can potentially leave you disabled for a very long time)

[neat lintel]

y’a des meufs ou pas

Ou des français

[tulip void]

Also

Should I get braces

To look more attractive

Cause that's the only reason why people get braxes

[serene rain]

it is not

actually

[tulip void]

Like my teeth are really good besides this one teeth that pops out

[serene rain]

some people get braces because they actually really need them and the arangement of their teeth is significantly impacting their quality of life, entirely unrelatedly to attractivenes

[flat harbor]

i think this discord user needs to talk to more people

sensing a severe lack of people peopleness here

[serene rain]

but yeah i think you need to go outside more, do more things, and worry about how you look way less

[tulip void]

I go outside everyday

I just chose to do online school cause I go to community college

You can't make friends there

[tawdry pecan]

dude, if your motivation for being clean and active is getting height surgery i think there are underlying issues

[tulip void]

Might as well make it more continent

[gusty socket]

you literally can

[tulip void]

Convenient for you

[tawdry pecan]

getting height surgery will not improve your life

whatsoever

[serene rain]

and again could make it significantly worse

[tawdry pecan]

exactly

[serene rain]

certianly it will make you much poorer

[tulip void]

Well

[small dust]

how much does it even increase your height

[gusty socket]

some of my best friends are friends that i made at cc

[tulip void]

I guess I'm worried

[small dust]

and what height are you

[tulip void]

Like im literally feel like

I'm running out of time

[tawdry pecan]

you arent

bruh

[flat harbor]

if ur first instict to "go outside" is to argue "i go outside a lot" then yea u lack people peopleness go work in retail or smth

[tulip void]

I see those YouTube videos that are like I'm 28 and I haven't kissed a girl

That shit is scary dude

[tawdry pecan]

people get married in their 80s

[tulip void]

I feel like that'll be me

Cause of my height

[tawdry pecan]

youtube videos are targeted to make you click on them, they dont give a shit about whether its true or not

[flat harbor]

ive seen this for 5 minutes and im already getting tired of ot

[tawdry pecan]

ur falling in a rabbit hole and i dont think youll like whats on the other side

[flat harbor]

anyways

helo boot

[tawdry pecan]

hii hru

[tulip void]

O see

I see

[small dust]

hey i asked two questions

[tulip void]

Sorry

[flat harbor]

just woke up

[tulip void]

I'm 5'4

[flat harbor]

think ill go back to sleep soon

[tulip void]

What was your other question

[small dust]

how much does it increase your height

[tawdry pecan]

i woke up like,, 10 hours ago i think

already went to work and stuff

[flat harbor]

fair!

[tawdry pecan]

like 4 inches

they're 5'4" rn

[flat harbor]

lmao

[tulip void]

2-4 inches I think i dont know

[flat harbor]

imagine being that desperate

[tawdry pecan]

idk hwy they want the surgery at all thats a normal height

[flat harbor]

potentially crippling urself for life for 4 inches

[tawdry pecan]

this is kinda insensitive, i get wym but like

this person clearly is struggling

[solid snow]

its not potential

[small dust]

does adding 4 inches just to your legs not make you look disproportional or something

[flat harbor]

mofos in chat need to read my height haiku

[solid snow]

you pretty cant run or lift heavy stuff with your legs after

[tulip void]

Or like

6 inches

No

It can be like 4-6 inches

Of height gain

[tawdry pecan]

send it

[solid snow]

u need to add 6 inches to your heart instead

[tawdry pecan]

yeah its actually just a bad choice

[tulip void]

South Korea does it for like 15,000 to 20,000 usd

I think

[flat harbor]

i can see that i just dont feel like coddling it is in my paycheck

[tawdry pecan]

fair i guess

[flat harbor]

cause ukno

[tulip void]

He's

Yea

I'm working from 11:30 am to 9 pm

Everyday so I can afford it

I mean if I really wanted to

[flat harbor]

u never make any actual progress in this kjnd of discourse

[tulip void]

But I'm gonna go to therapy first

I can already afford it to be honest

[tawdry pecan]

that's good insight

[flat harbor]

its just the same infuriating rumination over and over again

[solid snow]

talking to people is even cheaper

[flat harbor]

cut it off at the core

[flat harbor]

i am five foot four
i can fit in barrels and
refrigerator

[tawdry pecan]

i think you should talk to someone, family, friend, couselour, etc about these thoughts

therapy too

[small dust]

if you were magically 5'7 right now would your woman problems go away

[tawdry pecan]

i think you're doing everything fine, but you dont

[tulip void]

Ok

I'll promise

[tawdry pecan]

there's a disconnect somewhere

[tulip void]

It's 4 to 6 inches

I think

[tawdry pecan]

LMFAOO

[alpine kindle]

You're going in the cold box

[flat harbor]

u can scroll up 10 minutes and ull see the exact same advice lmao this is purgatory

[tulip void]

Well yea the problem is I don't even try to give myself the chance to date or make women friends

[tawdry pecan]

ah shit

[flat harbor]

ah shit. dont freeze me please

[tulip void]

Cause of my height like I already assume I have no chance

[neat lintel]

U talk a lot guys

Go and do maths

[alpine kindle]

not the freezy box

[neat lintel]

Wtf

[alpine kindle]

the cold box

[flat harbor]

ok

[tulip void]

But

I'll just get

Therapy first

[solid snow]

if only there were the entire rest of the server to talk about math

[tulip void]

I think I can promise that

[flat harbor]

will i be given provisions to last the cold

[tulip void]

Maybe it'll change my mind

[tawdry pecan]

yarn and knitting needles

[flat harbor]

i dont knit

[tawdry pecan]

unfortunate

[gusty socket]

i mean literally any topic would be better, even the meta topic i'm about to start having with you

[flat harbor]

i know i know its baffling that someone as perfect as me doesnt knit

[tawdry pecan]

learn to knit or freeze

honestly idek how to knit either

[flat harbor]

i knitted when i was like 12

[tawdry pecan]

i crochet

but knitting is hard yeah

[flat harbor]

and was horrible at it

and i cried and shit. so ive moved on

[tawdry pecan]

real

i should follow that logic and quit playing fighting games tbh

they piss me off more than literally anything

[solid snow]

not a bad idea

i like fighting games in theory but in practice its too smelly

[tawdry pecan]

oh yeah

the people that learn comboing are actually annoying

my brain hates trying to do that for some reason

[flat harbor]

what else is there to do in fighting games tho

[solid snow]

spasm around in neutral

[tulip void]

Ok

I will

Go to therapy

And do one session

[tawdry pecan]

try to predict where your opponent goes and shit

i can get a first hit

but idk how to chain it

[tulip void]

I hope it's not a waste of $160

[tawdry pecan]

less of a waste than 20k, trust me

and more than one session is needed to really get to know ur therapist

dont do smth like betterHelp either

[tulip void]

Ugh

That's so expensive dude

[tawdry pecan]

need i remind you

that u were gonna spend 20k on making your legs longer

just wear stilts

[tawdry pecan]

i do this too, i lose less often than expected doing so too

[flat harbor]

when the ladies call me shortstack i bring the clown legs aaah

[tawdry pecan]

those comically large shoes that women can't resist

[zealous garden]

That's fine

[tawdry pecan]

thats what im saying

[zealous garden]

The height won't fuck you over but being insecure about it will

[tawdry pecan]

mhm

[gusty socket]

dawg you are literally considering surgery that costs 20,000 dollars and will not help you as much as therapy

[tawdry pecan]

,w 20000/160

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[zealous garden]

I would say you don't even need therapy, cus I don't think most people do (in order to get to an acceptable and healthy mentality, everyone could use some therapy to be their best)

But I won't say that

Because homie might actually need therapy

[zealous garden]

.

Anyone who would spend that much money on a cosmetic surgery needs therapy

[gusty socket]

well, i mean that was not the point, i was just saying that this person is hoping that they don't "waste" $160 on a therapy session

[tulip void]

That's a lot of money

[gusty socket]

which is absurd considering the circumstances

and the previous messages

[tawdry pecan]

i just dont see how they're estimating something being expensive

bc

theyre saying 160 is a lot

[tulip void]

Well

I'm motivated to work a lot I guess

Just for the surgery

[tawdry pecan]

work towards yourself

[tulip void]

You have to admit the motivation is really good

[tawdry pecan]

not someone else

[zealous garden]

Maybe I mis-skimmed, but if you're willing to consider limb lengthening surgery before therapy, you definitely need the therapy

[tulip void]

Hmm ok

[zealous garden]

Not even saying don't go for the surgery in the end

But try therapy first

[tulip void]

Ok

Ok

[zealous garden]

Ok

[solid snow]

no its misplaced

[tawdry pecan]

just bc something motivates you doesnt mean the goal is worth achieving

people are motivated to do all sorts of stuff

[tulip void]

Ok

[tawdry pecan]

and maybe they do good on their way to their goal

but still

[tulip void]

How about I work my ass off and improve myself for therapy

[serene rain]

you should try to see value in yourself now, and that helping yourself is worthwhile, even if you are 5'4 which isn't even that short

(like seriously)

below average for sure, but it's really not that short

[tawdry pecan]

if you don't feel comfortable doing that for yourself, do it for buying a house maybe

like,

[tulip void]

Honestly

[tawdry pecan]

i can get not wanting to do smth for yourself in fear of being "selfish"

[tulip void]

I don't believe that people do things for themselves

[tawdry pecan]

but its not a good train of thought to have

[tulip void]

They do it for other people

Validation attention love

Whatever it is

[serene rain]

i do almost everything i do for me

and me alone

[tulip void]

Cause people rely

[serene rain]

im a selfish bastard

[tulip void]

On others

To be happy

Ok give me an example

[tawdry pecan]

i can make myself happy

[serene rain]

i do math because i enjoy it

i read books because i enjoy it

[flat harbor]

i treat myself to a nice meal bc i like myself

[serene rain]

i listen to music because i enjoy it

[tulip void]

Well

I'm talking about like self improvement

[tawdry pecan]

thats a little different

[flat harbor]

i waste time on this server bc i deserve to

[tulip void]

The reason why we self improve is so we can increase our status and value

For others

[serene rain]

i clean my flat because i like living in a clean flat

[tulip void]

I'm my opinion

[serene rain]

not why i do it

[flat harbor]

what

i work out so im healthy and enjoy life

[serene rain]

once again you're demonstrating that you need therapy

imo

[tawdry pecan]

its so you can have a better self image

feel better about yourself

[flat harbor]

AGAIN

same rumination im not doing it

[serene rain]

and just feel better lmao

[tawdry pecan]

mhm

[serene rain]

not feeling tired from walking around a bit is a nice thing

[tulip void]

Well.

[flat harbor]

i did upper bod yesterday

and i dont feel anything today

[tulip void]

I guess I can work my ass of to increase my staying

Status

And for a car

[flat harbor]

iguess i didnt do it properly :(

[tulip void]

I guess

[tawdry pecan]

mayb you just didnt do enough

[flat harbor]

literally go outside and meet ppl dude jesus

[tulip void]

I told you I csnt

[flat harbor]

i didnt yea

[tulip void]

I chose to do online school cause of community college

[tawdry pecan]

a car is a bad goal because it's easy to achieve

and when you get it

[tulip void]

I'm 95% with my community college

[flat harbor]

i didnt feel the uhh

[tawdry pecan]

you buy another

[tulip void]

And I think you can't make any friends there

[flat harbor]

the fun muscle

[tulip void]

So I can't meet anyone

[flat harbor]

the muscle fun

[tulip void]

Since I do online school

And I work by myself

[tawdry pecan]

work less then

[flat harbor]

if u have excuses leave them for ur therapist

[tulip void]

So

How do I meet people

Explain

[flat harbor]

im not paid to convince u to go outside

[tulip void]

I do online school I work shifts by myself

And I work with other people I don't care about

[serene rain]

join a club for a hobby

[tulip void]

If I do work with a shift with someone

[serene rain]

talk to your collegues even if you don't care currently

join a group with ur online school folks

[flat harbor]

so

[serene rain]

do sports

[flat harbor]

maths

[serene rain]

literally anything that isn't sitting alone on ur computre

[flat harbor]

maths is nice isnt it chat

[tulip void]

Dude

I went outside yesterday

[tawdry pecan]

i dont work out but my job has me rly lifting heavy stuff often

[tulip void]

Yesterday I went thrifting grocery shopping walked my friends dog went to a restaurant with my friend

[tawdry pecan]

so im getting hella fit

and tan asf

[tulip void]

Got smoothies had a water gun fight at the park

[flat harbor]

i tried calculating a topo invariant by hand last week and it killed me

[tulip void]

So yes I do go outside

[flat harbor]

thats neat

[tulip void]

I go outside every day

[serene rain]

nice

but like... talk to some girls seriously

[tawdry pecan]

what's a topological invariant

[tulip void]

Dude

How am I suppose to do that

I just told you

I do online school

And I work shifts with men or by myself

So explain

[flat harbor]

smth u can calculate from a topo space that only depends on the topo

[tawdry pecan]

ohh

[serene rain]

i literally told you?

[tawdry pecan]

like a knot invariant

crossing number

[zealous garden]

Go to the store

[flat harbor]

yea smth like that

[zealous garden]

Say hello to the cashier

[tulip void]

Dude

[tawdry pecan]

which invariant were u using

[tulip void]

You guys are acting like

[zealous garden]

If she starts a conversation

[tulip void]

I'm kind of freak

[zealous garden]

Come back

[tulip void]

That I don't know anything about social skills

My social skills

Are really good ok

[flat harbor]

the hopf invariant

[zealous garden]

If not, go to a different store

[lunar python]

Don’t bring back my knot theory ptsd

[zealous garden]

That easy

[serene rain]

you literally said you couldn't talk to girls because of your height

[zealous garden]

You asked a question and I answered

[flat harbor]

its a nice thing thats only dependent on the homotopy class of ur map

[zealous garden]

This is your fault if anyone's

[tawdry pecan]

it aint that bad blud

[flat harbor]

so its a function from the homotopy group to the integers

[zealous garden]

We're using the description of yourself that you are giving

If you have a problem, look at how you've described yourself

[tawdry pecan]

thats neat asf woah

[lunar python]

Normalized Kauffman bracket and Conway polynomials made me unhappy

[serene rain]

you also said that girls hate short men, which is something you'd only believe if you literally don't ever talk to girls

[flat harbor]

theres an unsolved problem? i think? called the hopf invariant one problem

where it asks in which spaces is the hopf invariant nonzero

[lunar python]

I mean you can talk to them fine if you’re short at least

Romantically idk

[tawdry pecan]

wait till you get to fundamental groups of knots fr

[tulip void]

Not really

[lunar python]

But I talk to women and I’m like 5’4 so living proof it’s possible!! Don’t give into the 4chan math major beta become the Mathcord math major skibidi sigma

[flat harbor]

dude will literally persecution complex themselves before talking to a woman

[tulip void]

A girl gave me a hug first

Woohoo

I feel loved!!

[lunar python]

💀

Become a skibidi sigma

[solid snow]

alright this ends here go outside

[flat harbor]

get a life man im not paid enough to deal with children on discord

[solid snow]

anyways

[lunar python]

That’ll solve ur problems

Anyways

Guys what if we did number theory and abandoned all other math

[serene rain]

id cry

[tawdry pecan]

like, all spaces? sounds like a classification problem

[flat harbor]

ud let the engineers win

[tawdry pecan]

or just one example

[serene rain]

i like nt but there's other stuff that's also cool y'know

[lunar python]

I might be number theory pilled 😔

[serene rain]

anyway i needta eep

gn everone

[lunar python]

Wait nvm can’t let that happen

[jagged forge]

being on mathcord is also not your job so

[tawdry pecan]

wait thats dumb it would be all spaces yea

[lunar python]

Engineers are too freaky

[jagged forge]

you’re not required to be here

[flat harbor]

ok its not asking spaces its asking which maps have nonzero invariant

[flat harbor]

it actually is

[tawdry pecan]

tragedy of the #360643390594875392 😔

[flat harbor]

i get paid YOUR taxmoney to be on discord

[tawdry pecan]

ah

[flat harbor]

and its not an open problem its solved but nobody told me

[tawdry pecan]

LOL

[flat harbor]

the maps are all in the form of f : S^2n-1 to S^n

[gusty socket]

i am

[tawdry pecan]

i wonder how fast the info of like, navier-stokes or smth being solved would spread

[gusty socket]

https://tenor.com/view/flying-skeleton-hell-png-skeleton-hell-fire-lava-gif-11276358523428160984

[flat harbor]

and its related to whether u can put division algebra? like structures on S^2n-1

[tawdry pecan]

that is cursed

[flat harbor]

S^3 is S^2*S^1

[tawdry pecan]

this is so real tbh

[flat harbor]

neat facts

[gusty socket]

whar

[tawdry pecan]

what kind of multiplication are you using

[gusty socket]

what is S^2 * S^1

[flat harbor]

fibbing a little..

[tawdry pecan]

[flat harbor]

its a fibre bundle

[gusty socket]

speaking of, i am reading about thurston's geometries, and S2 x S1 admits a geometric structure (modeled onnnn uhhhhhhhhhhh)

[flat harbor]

whats the product here

cartesian?

[gusty socket]

cartesian and inheret the product riemannian structure

[flat harbor]

neato

u see AdS n x S m with geometries a lot

i dont get it

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thurston did too much foliation theory

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mmmmm foliage

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S^2 x R ‼️

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i love foliating R3 with su(2)

i feel adorable

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okay, i figured, it just seemed off even though i know that it inherits the geometry from its universal cover

oh i guess S^1 is being viewed as "flat"?

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well idk if this is actually true

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erm

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Like I think you have to specify the metric on the S^1 and S^2 respectively

I guess it's like as the metric universal cover, yeah

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geometric structures are metrics no?

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right sorry I'm being silly

Like I guess it's the difference between R^2 vs H^2 as a universal cover

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argh yeah, but are there any model geometries that are homeomorphic to S^2 x R

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No, I think that one is unique

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okay nice

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I forget the homeo types of Nil and Sol

But R^3, H^3, H^2 x R, and universal cover of SL(2, R) are all homeo

Oh Nil is homeo to those too

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sol is too i think

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S^2 x R is a bit special then :)

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can't forget about S^3

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Is that all?

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geometric structures are riemannian metrics that are locally homogeneous, and one result is that (complete riemannian 2- and 3-) manifolds that admit geometric structures always obtain that structure from a simply connected homogeneous riemannian manifold via taking the quotient with a discrete group action (of isometries)

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the latter object here (before the quotient) is a model geometry

there are only three 2-dimensional model geometries, and there are eight 3-dimensional ones

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Hiii

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hello duck

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I have a question

Is there math for people who are in middle school/ primary school (I’m above the age of 13)

I just need help with exponents and stuff cause I’m really bad at them lol

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https://www.khanacademy.org/

this will have everything you need before calculus

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and also remember to ask questions if you are feeling stuck @hearty kestrel

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any science nerds out there rq

specifically for medical/biology path