book-recommendations

[karmic thorn]

Alright

[gray gazelle]

ye

[golden shore]

"Last time i lied" - I promise u'll like it

[sacred swan]

I know I am a little late in the conversation but I definitely feel that starting with Linear Algebra is a good way to go. Personally, when I took it, I found it to be a good intermediate between things like high school math and that which you see in university. Idk where you are Math wise but I feel that it has utility and can be fun as well while still giving you enough time to explore some other topics that you may be interested. Those are just my two cents tho.

[manic fox]

Hello, a little late in the conversation but I definitely feel that starting with Linear Algebra is a good way to go. Personally, when I took it, I found it to be a good intermediate between things like high school math and that which you see in university. Idk where you are Math wise but I feel that it has utility and can be fun as well while still giving you enough time to explore some other topics that you may be interested. Those are just my two cents tho.

I'm mirza

How do you do

[thorny helm]

Any recommendations for algorithms analysis. I've had past experiences in doing it in highschool, and I want to understand more. At this point I just want to clarify a few things or see any books with some perspective on how you would go at analyzing algorithms with correct use of notation to help justify your point. An example would be even how I'd approach or set myself up to answer this question with reasonable english. I already can see from looking at the algorithm it will run n times but if there could be some recommendations for someone somewhat new (since this content is being covered in my uni course); i want to get a better grasp on it

[night knot]

Algorithm Design by Kleinberg and Tardos

[thorny helm]

Thank you

[night knot]

No worries

[thorny helm]

Also I'm guessing chapters 1-2 should give me a good intro - which will then help out for the later content like np, p complete problems etc

[brittle marsh]

what do people think about using algebra:chapter 0 as a first book in abstract algebra

[quick hornet]

i have many rants posted here about how much i dislike the text

but some people really like it

if youre gonna use it, at least supplement its problems with another source

like Dummit and Foote or something

since Aluffi's problems are a bit shallow

[pale scarab]

Any good books that give a decent overview of nodern geometry? ( non euclidean, affine, projective etc) Or just any good modern geometry books in general

[quick hornet]

how much abstract algebra do you have

[pale scarab]

Basic undergrad level through some galois theory but willing to learn more

[brittle marsh]

ah yeah I have heard that, thanks

[quick hornet]

sounds like you have the prerequisites for fulton's Algebraic Curves

which covers introductory classical algebraic geometry quite well, and sets up for a more modern viewpoint

[pale scarab]

Nice ill check it out thanks

[quick hornet]

for the differential/riemannian side (Which deals with stuff like curvature spaces and whatnot, so probably more familiar to what you mean by "non euclidean")

consider Tu's Differential Geometry or Lee's Riemannian Manifolds

[sudden kindle]

Theres Loring Tu's Differential Geonetry

I'm reading this rn

[quick hornet]

i think the latter expects you to know a bit of topology though

and both require comfort with analysis of R^n

(not like, the random integral theorems from calc 3 or whatever, just familiarity with the "feel")

[sudden kindle]

Theres also eigenchris's videos on YouTube

[gray gazelle]

tu's book is nice

[sudden kindle]

[sage python]

Huh Tu has a full on diffgeo book

I know about the smooth manifolds one and obv Bott-Tu

[karmic thorn]

There's Coxeter's Introduction to Geometry as well.

[gray gazelle]

tu's geometry is nice

it seems like it has a lot of abstract nonsense though

it has a lot of stuff

and it's very clearly written

coxeter sounds like the name of a mathematical object

something like co and ext and something

[sage python]

@gray gazelle wait wait wait

He was able to turn diffgeo into abstract nonsense?

Maybe this is my calling

[earnest pivot]

what do u guys think about the Epp discrete mathematics book? ive heard good things about it

[upbeat rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeQX2HjkcNo

I am not a mathematician but I am interested in the topics that are talked in the video. What book you might recommend for self-study (I am about to graduate physics so I am comfortable with linear algebra, calculus, vector calculus, etc.)?

[narrow talon]

I honestly have not seen it, but it’s about incompleteness right?

[karmic thorn]

Yes

[karmic thorn]

I guess a course in mathematical logic should suffice to get you started.

[stray veldt]

i liked Ebbinghaus

[karmic thorn]

Hmm, but they've probably not seen a lot of proofy math before.

[narrow talon]

Definitely need to get into logic, if there’s a logician here I’m sure they could help but my logic friend recommended to me “Godel without too many tears”

It’s freely available and I believe the author has another book on more basic logic

[upbeat rapids]

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll check it.

[balmy basin]

Does the recommendations here have to be math books only or can they be a book in a different field

[willow pecan]

Math books primarily

[gray hatch]

Could anyone suggests books on topics like calculus, geometry,algebra ?

[gray gazelle]

High school level ?

[gray gazelle]

Can anyone recommend me some good number theory textbooks for beginners?

[willow pecan]

What background do you have

[gray gazelle]

Precalc

And high school basic calc

[karmic thorn]

@gray gazelle

[gray gazelle]

@karmic thorn thanks dude

I almost bought Burton 😂 😂

[karmic thorn]

I have Burton

[gray gazelle]

Is it any good?

[karmic thorn]

I didn't read much really

[gray gazelle]

I have heard lots of negative reviews

[karmic thorn]

I don't like ENT itself though

So I can't tell

[gray gazelle]

I have some vague ideas about number theory

[hasty turret]

Just learn elementary number theory via algebra

[gray gazelle]

It sure is very intriguing

[hasty turret]

ez

[gray gazelle]

Via algebra?

[hasty turret]

The way I learnt ENT is via random bits of info in discrete math and algebra textbooks

[gray gazelle]

I am doing Discrete Math by Epp rn

The text is written very clearly

Very beginner friendly

If you are a tryhard and can cope with algebra lmk i can share something

Sure@gray gazelle

@gray gazelle i like this one

Thanks bud

Oops wrong one

Sorry

Lemme find it

@gray gazelle

Sorry again

Xd

Odd mix which is uhh something. Gl

[hasty turret]

Also,Is that an IP address?

[gray gazelle]

No

[jovial stream]

Does anyone have any recommendations for some precal/calculus word problem textbooks/workbooks?

[karmic thorn]

For calculus, any general textbook will usually have lots of problems. Thomas' Calculus is one such book.

For precalculus, you could probably look at the book by OpenStax.

[jovial stream]

Thanks, I’ll give them a look

Do such problems require you to graph and use tangents and secants?

[karmic thorn]

Really depends on the problem, but graphs of trigonometric functions would be reasonably covered in precalculus I guess.

[jovial stream]

Ok 👌

[fossil island]

How much can I get into Brin and Stuck without knowing measure theory?

@gray gazelle

ok thanks

it might be too abstract for me tbh

yeah i tried the first chapter and they talk about measures and shit

ok thanks

it feels like 1.2 and 1.3 are very technical

while im interested in the technical aspects id also like application

[true veldt]

wait, where in brin and stuck did they talk about measures?

first chapter

[fossil island]

well they use it to set up examples

[true veldt]

i didnt think there was any measure theory in it

but maybe i just missed that example

[fossil island]

i think ill just look at the examples that make sense to me

in the first section

and then just go to chapter 2

[true veldt]

tehres measure theory in the end ofthe book i guess, i didnt get that far

I did chapters 1,2,3,5,7 and dont know measure theory

[fossil island]

ok, i guess they just mention it for people who know it

[true veldt]

The book is hard in that the book will casually brush over some details that may be trivial, and some details that are insane

What ultra

I wanna know too

[fossil island]

makes sense

im mostly interested in continuous time dynamics

but ill definitely try parsing the other ones

and then i just skip everything that has the word ergodic

this is where most application is, right?

this book seems terse in general

any other book you'd recommend to read alongside?

i was looking at wiggin's book

[willow pecan]

"If you're interested in ODE you should read an ODE book"

[fossil island]

i mean what other dynamical systems have application

im interested in mathematical biology

[willow pecan]

What sort of math bio

Infectious disease dynamics?

[fossil island]

more molecular

[willow pecan]

Human population dynamics

Computational chemistry?

[fossil island]

maybe?

im interested in mechanism

[willow pecan]

What mechanisms

[hasty turret]

Galliumically applied math is slightly less infectious

[fossil island]

developing and analyzing models for drug, protein, dna, etc. interaction

[willow pecan]

Ok

Computational chemistry

Ummmm

Not really

[fossil island]

well i know stochastic dynamics is one route

[willow pecan]

Yeah stochastic processes matter

But you don't really study them from an ergodic perspective

What does ergodic theory have to say about brownian motion

Ergodic theory is about deterministic dynamical systems, right?

Any system with quantum effects won't be deterministic

Chemical reactions are not memoryless

[fossil island]

dont equilibriums merely depend on the current concentration of products and reactants?

[gray gazelle]

What if you're a chemist and you need to know how many times to swirl your beaker with 2 chemicals in it?

[willow pecan]

Chemical reactions are also not deterministic

There are many pathways that happen

[fossil island]

but a molecule doesnt remember which pathway it took to be transformed into another?

[willow pecan]

If you're a chemist and you want to know how many times to swirl your beaker, you swirl it and do spectroscopy to measure concentration differences

To be clear, I'm not saying that ergodic theory is useless for biochem and stuff

Dynamics as a whole definitely isn't useless

But

I'm not sure it answers questions that biochem people care about

Markov chains are for memoryless systems which I only brought up because of the Hairer notes you linked

A lot of modern work in this area is incorporating quantum effects

But also

These fields are experimental

And until these methods start giving predictions that can be experimentally validated/rejected, I don't see them being super impactful

Sure

And most biologists don't care at all about math bio stuff

[fossil island]

what's the actual difference between math bio and computational bio?

is comp bio more bioinformatics stuff?

[willow pecan]

There are substantial cultural differences between math and bio

Comp bio and math bio are pretty close

I don't think there's a clear divide

[fossil island]

they probably feed into one another

though math bio is probably more theoretical

[willow pecan]

Yes

Those sound good

[fossil island]

ok dope

[willow pecan]

https://liorpachter.wordpress.com/2014/12/30/the-two-cultures-of-mathematics-and-biology/

This is an interesting blog post

Touching on some of the cultural differences I mentioned

[narrow talon]

Sounds like mixing

[willow pecan]

Yes we were talking about mixing

[narrow talon]

Which is hard

[willow pecan]

Well it isn't hard for chemists

[narrow talon]

Haha I guess

For mathematicians though

Nontrivial

Not hard to find books on though, there’s a few people at NYU and I think UTAustin that specialize in mixing times (don’t quote me on Austin though)

[willow pecan]

Mathematicians: I'm going to write a book about mixing
Biologists: I'm going to use a magnetic stirrer to mix my solution

[fossil island]

math takes years to understand mixing

biologists: stir bar go brrr

[willow pecan]

Anyways

An area that is of interest to math and non-math people is numerical techniques for quantum systems

This comes up in areas like quantum/computational chemistry

[fossil island]

so a course in physical chem would probably be good?

for this

[willow pecan]

You may look at work being done by Lin Lin at Berkeley

Certainly physical chem is necessary

You also need to be familiar with QM

Or

Should I guess

[fossil island]

see i cant tell whether i should just focus on the math part and do related science classes on the side

or vice versa

[willow pecan]

Both are important

[gray gazelle]

Anyone seen a reproducing kernel hilbert space before? Papers, books, blogs on applications, importance, basically anything would be helpful.

[narrow talon]

I’m assuming you’re well familiar with kernel support vector machines?

[gray gazelle]

@narrow talon Yes

[hearty steppe]

Tell me about it mate. Haha

[normal heart]

do u guys have some some book recommendations about the topics I need to learn to get into AI?

[fossil island]

AI is fairly self contained

[willow pecan]

Linear algebra

[fossil island]

depends what he means by ai

if they mean machine learning algorithms, then yeah

[willow pecan]

He?

[broken meadow]

[fossil island]

i saw joker

it's a fair assumption

lol

[broken meadow]

i am a slab of metal

Try me

[fossil island]

ok me/tal

[vocal wedge]

Artificial intelligence

[compact cypress]

what's a good starting point for axiomatic set theory (if that's the correct term)

yeah pretty much

no

ZFC

and other forms which I'm not actually aware of but would like to read up on

right, I have no idea how I missed that channel haha

I think I found a suitable text: A Course on Set Theory by Ernest Schimmerling

[hearty steppe]

For one of the most beginner friendly analysis books, Abbott definitely does have some relatively challenging exercises from the get go

the triangle inequality stuff is still kinda kicking my ass, but I suppose the structure of this book is to guide you by introducing concepts in the exercises. Not really my flavor of learning since I prefer being tested on stuff covered thoroughly in the chapter

but Abbott does a way better job really easing you into analysis compared to any other book I've looked at that has been recommended here which I would consider a more unforgiving exposure to analysis and I just can't recommend anyone touch those books without looking at Abbott if your new to math.

not even linear algebra exposure will save you from the intimidating nature of the psets you will encounter in a first exposure analysis course, just a heads up.

[gray gazelle]

triangle inequality

[hearty steppe]

Just dive into it, and forgive yourself for sucking so much at solving the problems initially, I guess thats my way of saying "this is how you learn analysis". You will suck, really bad at trying to solve these problems in the beginning but things will turn out better with more exposure.

At least I'm telling myself this as I'm learning because, nothing will really prepare you to not suck at your first analysis psets

:\

Basically imagine learning a math course but playing dark souls at the same time. At least its not a video game this time and you have more motivation to get through it.

I guess... Maybe I wasted a lot of time spending too much time on Velleman psets but I wasn't sure.

[compact cypress]

where does the ass-kicking begin in Abbott?

[hearty steppe]

so many people made analysis seem intimidating but your going to get your ass kicked in analysis regardless how much you try to prepare

meh sort of in the preliminary psets depending on how good your proof knowledge is. If you just got done with a proofs book, it won't save you.

[gray gazelle]

analysis bad

[willow pecan]

[gray gazelle]

except for the kind of analysis ange and ryc do, of course

[willow pecan]

Lol rip slime

And dami

And gomez

And young smasher

[compact cypress]

yo this doesn't look that bad at first glance

[willow pecan]

And tuong

And doubledual

And anatole

And bacono

And derivada

[sage python]

TTerra my math is closer to what you're interested in than that of ange and ryc smh

[compact cypress]

but i've already been through analysis so yeah i can imagine the panic had this been my very first exposure

[sage python]

Also damn there is an actual analysis group in this server now huh

[ripe granite]

tterra was trying to be nice to ange, all analysis sux

[sage python]

I didn't know about young smasher, tuong, and derivada

Brofibration what about the Langlands program

[ripe granite]

young smasher does func anal I think

[willow pecan]

Yeah young smasher is an analysis grad student

[sage python]

Oh huh, wasn't on my radar. Or I forgot one of the two

Also Ultraproduct I guess does analysis\cap logic

[willow pecan]

Tuong also leans functional analysis

Derivada does dynamics

[sage python]

Nice nice

[ripe granite]

dynamics

cros

[sage python]

Hmm?

[willow pecan]

I don't really get dynamics

Like either you have continuous dynamics

Where you just have odes/pdes

Or you have discrete dynamics

Which are discretized odes/pdes

[sage python]

I mean... topological dynamics, ergodic theory

[willow pecan]

Ergodic theory is fancy markov chains

[sage python]

Also even on continuous things sometimes you emphasize more the geometric properties than the analytical ones

[willow pecan]

Shapes

Oh no

[ripe granite]

shapes

[willow pecan]

Geometry and topology are shapes

[sage python]

So there's an ODE/PDE lurking in the background but it's not at the forefront of what you're doing

[ripe granite]

yes

[willow pecan]

Is the ode/pde not useful

[ripe granite]

shapes of commutative diagrams

[gray gazelle]

[sage python]

Not that it's not useful but saying "you just have odes/pdes" suggests it's like

THe point of what you're doing is the pde. But that's not necessarily what's up

[gray gazelle]

implying im interested in math

[willow pecan]

tterra does physics now

If you haven't heard

[ripe granite]

tterra do physics

[sage python]

Oh okay so your opinions don't matter anymore got it

[willow pecan]

go tit

[ripe granite]

go tit

[gray gazelle]

go tit

[willow pecan]

go titi

[gray gazelle]

go titi

[ripe granite]

go titi

[gray gazelle]

my opinions never mattered dami

[sage python]

God I'm looking back through that dynamics book from undergrad

"Introduction to Dynamical Systems" by Brin and Stuck

I wanna do it for real at some point tbh. But then I remember chapter 5

We didn't even get that deep into it but it's quite something

[ripe granite]

my diff eq class is using strogatz

it is not a good book

[sage python]

I remember I christened one theorem in there "The Juggernaut Theorem"

"for any homeomorphism of a topological space" like fucking damn

[ripe granite]

[willow pecan]

Strogatz is not a diff eq book

What is going on

[ripe granite]

idk

[sage python]

It gets worse for sure

[willow pecan]

Oh no

[ripe granite]

it isnt a serious diff eq class

[sage python]

Brin and Stuck pulling a Federer

[ripe granite]

no analysis pre req

[sage python]

Why are you taking that?

[ripe granite]

to meet the diff eq requirement

and declare major

[willow pecan]

[sage python]

Why not petition to do a real class?

[willow pecan]

Imagine having a diff eq requirement

[ripe granite]

real diff eq class needs grad analysis

[willow pecan]

An applied math major at Berkeley can graduate without knowing an ounce of differential equations

[sage python]

Also yeah the only diffeq I had to deal with in undergrad was

A tiny bit in calculus because Spivak's book talks about differential equations in the chapters on trig functions and exp/log

[ripe granite]

that's the req im trying to meet

[sage python]

Actually nah in second quarter analysis our prof spent 2 weeks on ODEs

The psets were v painful

[ripe granite]

the requirement is some class that does shit like y' = y

[sage python]

Well I think we spent like, an hour total on it lol

[willow pecan]

The solution is y=y^2/2

[ripe granite]

and y'' + y' + y

it's a part of the calc sequence

[sage python]

Wait so is it just a part of the quarter or what?

And wait hold on you're backtracking to take calc now?

[ripe granite]

I took multivar, I just need to do diff eq

[sage python]

Lemme just pull up [REDACTED]'s math major requirements

Oh so it is a full quarter of that then. Maybe take grad microlocal analysis and petition to count that instead

[willow pecan]

[ripe granite]

all the grad diffeq/other analysis classes require the grad analysis sequence

so I would need to do an entire year of analysis

[sage python]

I guess if you're not too into the stuff then just having a roflclass isn't a bad idea

[ripe granite]

before I do any of those

[willow pecan]

Me with algebra

[sage python]

You'll need analysis for the Langlands program anyway

[willow pecan]

This is true

[sage python]

Now you might say

[willow pecan]

Harmonic analysis is important for langlands

[sage python]

"Wait am I doing Langlands?"

The answer is yes

I have decided

[whole rain]

[sage python]

That you will do Langlands with me

Welcome aboard

[ripe granite]

🤨

[whole rain]

just accept it

you can't do nothing about it

[ripe granite]

Dynamical systems analysis of nonlinear systems of differential equations. One- and two- dimensional flows. Fixed points, limit cycles, and stability analysis. Bifurcations and normal forms. Elementary geometrical and topological results. Applications to problems in biology, chemistry, physics, and other fields.

that's the class im doing right now

to meet this req

First-order, linear differential equations; second-order, linear differential equations with constant coefficients; power series solutions; linear systems.

[sage python]

Former looks much better than the latter lol

[ripe granite]

ye

it is not horrible

the problems suck

insanely boring

[willow pecan]

Meme on the grader with riemann-hilbert correspondence

[sage python]

Tbf in my analysis class the 2 weeks of ODEs were quite painful. Made me dislike the topic a lot lol

[ripe granite]

it had the potential to be a good class

like the topics are fairly interesting

[ripe granite]

yeah I'm going to do the last homework set entirely in the language of D-modules

I would have taken the grad analysis path if I didnt have to declare major this quarter

[willow pecan]

[sage python]

Ah

[ripe granite]

I need to be a math major to apply for this combined masters thing

if you get into the program, and do enough grad classes you get a masters

[sage python]

Okay I found that really disgusting ODEs problem

Let me see if I can find the whole pset tho

[willow pecan]

[sage python]

Whatever here's the really bad problem lol

[ripe granite]

cros

[sage python]

Oh I just realized cros = gross

[ripe granite]

no

cros = cross

= the cross emote

@willow pecan

oh wait

we have it

huh

[sage python]

Ah

Also wait you have to do diffgeo?

I just found the ODE requirement but also noticed they require diffgeo

[ripe granite]

yup

but you can sub in the grad manifolds class

[sage python]

I'm glad I didn't go there lol

Oh oh okay that's fine then

[ripe granite]

you have to meet all the requirements

but theyre normally pretty flexible on what classes you use to meet them

I used commalg to meet the lower div linear algebra req

and a class on p-adics to meet the discrete math req

I tried to get them to use the complex geo class to meet the diff eq req

but they didnt agree

[sage python]

Bully them harder

[ripe granite]

lol

b-but hodge decomp

[sage python]

Do not stutter when you're bullying smh

"Let me meet the diff eq requirement with complex geo or I'll meet the your face requirement with this knuckle sandwich"

Anyway ima play some DRG for a bit then do spectral theory

Because spectral theory ❤️

[ripe granite]

I will go write a 9 page essay

[willow pecan]

[hasty turret]

Can someone pin this?

[broken meadow]

mhm

[formal brook]

The Qua'ran

And the Bible

I recommend those two

[quick hornet]

@formal brook the joke's gotten pretty tired and annoying by now

please knock it off

[still jay]

What do people think about Halmos’ Linear Algebra Problem Book? I don’t know if I actually want to use it, but the premise seems very interesting

[gray gazelle]

hey guys! so i am taking the ocw course on linear algebra by strang but i cant find the accompanying book (intro to linear algebra) in my country's amazon page (well 1 is there but its really pricey) could someone please share if a pdf or an ebook of this book exists?thanks a ton

check ||libgen||

[karmic thorn]

Life In Books Generates Extreme kNowledge

Dot ru

[high tundra]

Hello 👋, I want to ask if anyone knows some good books that are similar to A mathematicians apology by Hardy or a mathematicians lament by Lockhart, I’m looking more so a few books that really express the value and creativity of mathematics, any suggestions?

Is “letters to a young mathematician” a good book in that area?

[gray gazelle]

not a book, but here is a short essay, by me:
fuck math education, it is a piece of shit!

[slim peak]

Excuse me but except the mail order I didn't receive any mail. Could you tell me, please how many mail did you receive during your order ?

[marble karma]

A rigorous calculus book?

[narrow talon]

Spivak

[slim peak]

Hmm, thanks

[hearty steppe]

I would just go with this book mate

It’s a short read and personally it helped me be more motivated to dive straight into maths

[feral pier]

books for complete beginners in maths please

[karmic thorn]

What's your background, and do you have any particular reason for learning math?

[manic fox]

le bad book has arrived

[feral pier]

I dont have much background and I want to learn maths bc it's fun

[karmic thorn]

Are you familiar with math at typical school level?

[feral pier]

till 8th grade

[gray gazelle]

btw, that wasn't a serious suggestion

[karmic thorn]

@feral pier Okay, after some thinking I would suggest Khan Academy for a review of the math that you already know, and then see what else you like.

[feral pier]

thanks

[karmic thorn]

Once you have some basics under the belt you could possibly find something more interesting to learn

[gray gazelle]

I want to be a mathematician by Halmos was a good one

[slate quarry]

I was a complete beginner 6 moths ago (well... to be honest I'm still a complete beginner) when I started working through the book 'Algebra for college students' by Kaufmann & Schwitters. There is not such a thing like a perfect book, but (in my limited knowledge) this is a pretty good choice. It starts with basic concepts, properties and operations in the real numbers, and it ends with sequences and mathematical induction. So it covers quite a wide range of topics, and it has a lot problems at the end of every section and every chapter (and there are solutions to the odd number problems in the back of the book). Other option, if you are looking for free resources, could be a openstax book. I personally have not check them, but a lot of people say good thing about them... and they are free, so you don't lose anything if you want to give them a try.

[feral pier]

thanks

[sudden kindle]

Cringe

[high tundra]

Oh can you Link it?

Thanks btw for those recommendations! @hearty steppe @gray gazelle

[gray gazelle]

Ah, that was the full text, very short essay

[half nexus]

مسوووووووووووووووووووووووت

[high tundra]

I can’t seem to find it online, do you mind if you link it 😅

[gray gazelle]

why doesnt serres books even have hints

is it cause he assumes ur not stupid_

but im stupid

[fiery fossil]

how can you not like harry potter

its a lovely series

one of the best

[manic fox]

author is cronge

[fiery fossil]

i meannn

[willow pecan]

The more you think about harry potter the more bad it is

[fiery fossil]

look i agree everyone has their own opinion but i think its really good

[manic fox]

^

wtf ange said something correct

[willow pecan]

The plot's fine I guess

The characters are interesting I guess

The worldbuilding going on is a disaster

[storm harness]

That has nothing to do with the plot

[storm sleet]

Is Rotman AT any good? Or whats the best first course in AT? I've got a terms worth of topology under my belt, and a year worth of undergrad/1 term of grad real analysis to boot if that helps

I also have some experience with differential forms

[static crest]

harry potter is pretty bad though

but then again, probably like 0.000000001% of YA fantasy is good

you can assume by default that if something is a YA fantasy, it is automatically trash

[storm sleet]

this is the way

[golden jetty]

The silmarrilion

[zealous jetty]

I think its really funny that things just appear and then become important

[sage python]

Probably the best "easy" AT book

[zealous jetty]

I first learned AT from Masseys book which is funny because it does cubical (co) homology and not simplicial (use cubes not simplices - same thing in the end though) ; the grad student teaching me at the time said "this is maybe an easier introduction because cubes are easier to think about!"
Cubes are easier to think about... Shikashi...

[willow pecan]

Cubes are easier to think about... Shikashi...

[karmic thorn]

@manic fox So is Lang

[willow pecan]

Lang is bad

[karmic thorn]

[manic fox]

yes.

the more you read it the worse it gets

[willow pecan]

QAQ

[hollow galleon]

RECOMEND The alloy of the law

[vague star]

Can someone tell me a very good book that will uncover lots of things about maths or science

[quick hornet]

like, a book written for a casual/layman audience?

[karmic thorn]

I've heard good things about Concepts of Modern Mathematics by Ian Stewart.

[slow matrix]

what math books is a must on bookshelves, at least for undergrad (or more) analysis and algebra ? like if you were to live without internet mostly (and hence no more libgen)

[glad prairie]

probably like rudin and dummit&foote

btw i just learned of this book, coming out soon

https://www.cambridge.org/us/academic/subjects/mathematics/algebra/algebra-notes-underground?format=PB

it's aluffi's new algebra book

designed for undergrad classes

[slow matrix]

is it called chapter 1?

[glad prairie]

no i guess it's chapter -1

anyway it's super weird

it does rings, modules, and then groups, and then fields

[karmic thorn]

Aluffi is weird

[glad prairie]

it looks cool though

i kind of like the idea

[sage python]

I feel like algebra books are oversaturated

Like why are you writing another intro to algebra book write about some other topic which doesn't yet have a good book

[slow matrix]

I heard lot of books are formerly class notes? maybe might as well make them proper textbook?

[glad prairie]

also like

[sage python]

But yeah for intro stuff... So the book on algebra that I decided to buy a physical copy of is Jacobson

[glad prairie]

aluffi's book is already

[prisma snow]

Rotman already exists. Algebra textbook writers can retire.

[glad prairie]

kind of an undergrad book

the old one

[karmic thorn]

Knapp

[glad prairie]

so i don't really get it

[sage python]

Yeah I imagine given the weird order it's like

Algebra for math ed

[glad prairie]

anyway just in general most algebra books feel quite dry to me and aluffi is one of the few i've read which doesn't feel like it was written by a robot

so i appreciate it

even though i don't think the dryness is inherently bad when it exists

[prisma snow]

ryc has not read Rotman

[sage python]

Tbh I'm still of the opinion that if Artin/D&F are tough then you're just not ready for algebra yet

[glad prairie]

i have never heard of rotman

[prisma snow]

Go explore the new world that has opened up to you

You're welcome

[glad prairie]

ok well

i'm doing D&F this summer

[prisma snow]

[glad prairie]

and it's fucking boring and easy

[sage python]

So I don't really see the point in writing easier algebra books. Unless it's almost explicitly targeted at non-math people

[karmic thorn]

Why

[prisma snow]

Yes it's boring

Do Rotman instead

Not boring

[karmic thorn]

Do Knapp

[slow matrix]

maybe some people write more for themselves than for other people

[glad prairie]

there has been like 1 exercise out of the 80 or so that i've bothered to do that took me more than 2 minutes

[slow matrix]

like writing to learn a particular topic

[sage python]

Read my review from forever ago lol

[slow matrix]

or just for self satisfaction

[sage python]

It's in pinned messages

[glad prairie]

honestly am just stunned that poros did all those fucking exercises

[karmic thorn]

Dami approves of Knapp

[glad prairie]

dami wrote some reviews

[prisma snow]

But you didn't review Rotman, so it is unbased.

[glad prairie]

they're probably BS

but that's ok

[karmic thorn]

Rotman is too cringe to be listed

[sage python]

I don't have Rotman in there because I don't know it but I'm fine with that omission lol

[prisma snow]

Please stop the heresy.

[sage python]

Rotman overall is a good writer so I might glance at it but yeah basically my flowchart is

[glad prairie]

dami being like Stein and Shakarchi "rubs me the wrong way" somehow is all you need to know about the credibility of Dami's book reviews

[prisma snow]

I'm going to write my own intro analysis textbook because they're all bad

Algebra is fine because Rotman

[sage python]

I'm not the only one who's eh about S&S2 lol

[prisma snow]

I am eh about S&S2, very eh

[glad prairie]

who cares about complex analysis

[sage python]

His toy contour stuff is like, okay I get it but it's annoying

[karmic thorn]

MoonBears said 2 is the weak link in the series

[glad prairie]

it's the other books that matter

[slow matrix]

so what's the recommendation for analysis? rudin?

[karmic thorn]

Tao

[sage python]

That was a complex analysis review thread lmao

[glad prairie]

lol

tao

pls

[karmic thorn]

Tao is good!

[sage python]

It was specifically S&S2

[glad prairie]

[prisma snow]

Anything except Tao or Pugh. I only give antirecommendations.

[karmic thorn]

I antirecommend your reviews

[glad prairie]

i was going to do jacobson but the topics are weird

like i'm trying to close up the gaps in my algebra knowledge

[karmic thorn]

Knapp Knapp Knapp

[glad prairie]

not learn some dumbass stuff

[karmic thorn]

Aluffi simp has arrived

[glad prairie]

i'm looking at knapp now

[dapper root]

:(

[glad prairie]

one moment

[whole rain]

check Knapp and Rotman maybe Ryc ? both are great imo

[glad prairie]

[dapper root]

I need to be asleep rn

[whole rain]

ah you already said you were checking knapp, sry too late

[dapper root]

Wtf is wrong with me

[sage python]

S&S1 is like, Fourier but you don't know anything yet. Which I guess is the same logic behind Guillemin-Pollack, like wow cool you can do these things without much background

[glad prairie]

am i supposed to be looking at knapp basic algebra or knapp advanced algebra

[dapper root]

Is that Stein and Shakarchi

[sage python]

But I'd probably prefer to just learn the measure theory and functional analysis then do Fourier full on

[prisma snow]

Unblocked for Rotman rec.

[sage python]

Basic probably

[whole rain]

basic first, I think, Advanced is, well.., advanced

[karmic thorn]

Probably both depending on which gaps you're looking to fill

[glad prairie]

[sage python]

@dapper root yup

[glad prairie]

the basic one is 700 pages

[sage python]

Advanced is like

[glad prairie]

this is not a good start

[sage python]

Algebraic geometry and number theory

[whole rain]

Advanced Algebra goes way further than D&F

[karmic thorn]

Also ryc

[dapper root]

Oh yeah advanced is like

[whole rain]

and already starts further I think lol

[dapper root]

Lowkey just ANT

[karmic thorn]

Basic Algebra doesn't even assume LA

[dapper root]

And some AG

[sage python]

I haven't really read Knapp myself so I'm not gonna endorse it completely but

[karmic thorn]

Starts with row reduction in chapter 1

[sage python]

The two together seem to be an efficient way to go from "I am a kindergartner" to "I can do shit"

[karmic thorn]

So you can skip bits you're familiar with

And size it down reasonably

[whole rain]

isn't that great Dami ? 🤔

[glad prairie]

ok

this is like

the table of contents is making me angry

it's fine

[whole rain]

?

[sage python]

Yeah that makes it look quite good to me. Just that maybe it's typo hell or the exercises are trash

I don't know because I haven't looked at it deeply

That's why I hesitate lol

[whole rain]

the exercises are great imo, and I didn't spot any typo yet

[glad prairie]

ok at very least i don't care about anything in the advanced book

[sage python]

I will soon read another book by Knapp actually

[glad prairie]

so that's good

[whole rain]

which one ?

[sage python]

"Representations of Semisimple Groups"

[glad prairie]

maybe the homological algebra chapter

[whole rain]

[karmic thorn]

Stokes Theorem?

Ah

[sage python]

Knapp is a bit of a thing in representation/Lie theory I think

[whole rain]

Also since you know analysis better I think ryc, maybe take a look at Knapp's analysis textbooks to judge if you like the way he writes and all that

[karmic thorn]

Yes ryc

[sage python]

Oh yeah he has analysis too doesn't he

[karmic thorn]

Please review his analysis books

Yeah

Two volumes

[sage python]

Let me check it out

[whole rain]

basic analysis and advanced analysis, because he likes original names

[karmic thorn]

The most authentic text name is "Analysis 1"

[dapper root]

Dami have you ever seen Wilma’s algebra text?

[sage python]

Ligma balls

[dapper root]

Tfw

U r too knowledgeable in the dark arts

[whole rain]

tfw when an admin of a math server of thousands of people be like "l i g m a b a l l s"

[dapper root]

It’s cuz I was gonna say “Wilma nuts fit in yo mouth”

Or something along those lines and he knew

[whole rain]

[sage python]

I'm too sharp

[dapper root]

Sharp on my nuts

[sage python]

Okay Knapp's analysis looks good it does a lot

[dapper root]

😂😂😂😂

[sage python]

I don't really get the point of doing Riemann integration on R^n if you're just gonna do measure theory later (which you should, corollary I just don't see the point in doing Riemann on R^n at all)

Eh no differential forms

I don't like that

[glad prairie]

i do

[whole rain]

[glad prairie]

differential forms are for the geometers

[sage python]

Yeah idk this book is probably fine but a bit off to me

[glad prairie]

anyway, knapp looked the nicest

rotman looks good too

[sage python]

He doesn't seem to do weak convergence

[glad prairie]

both look better than d&f for my purposes

[marble grotto]

he has a mini sequel to basic analysis that does diff forms and stokes

[sage python]

Or weak topology in general. So that random topology chapter at the end is like, alright fam

Yeah idk I feel like an analysis book should basically be like

[glad prairie]

the thing i like about knapp is the section at the end on modules over noncommutative rings

[karmic thorn]

Could this possibly be covered in volume 2(chapter 9, analysis on manifolds)?

[sage python]

What an analysis book should do:
"Intro stuff here" (chit chat about sets, R, whatever)
Linear algebra
Metric/normed spaces (including function spaces)
Differentiation
Measure Theory and integration (maybe you can have a bit on Riemann-Stieltjes and use Riesz-rep but don't spend too much time there)
Manifolds and differential forms
Whatever else you want to cover

Yeah ryc that's honestly the part that intrigues me the most about it too lol, the rest I basically am comfortable with

Also to tie up a loose ends from earlier, the S&S verdict:
Fourier is probably the same logic as G&P in differential topology, like wow without knowing fancy tech you can do cool stuff! I can appreciate it but I probably at this point prefer just having the tech and using it

Complex is mediocre

Real does measure theory and Lebesgue integration first on R^n then in general. I don't really get the point but whatever. Seems good for what it does.

Functional has a set of topics which isn't what I think of when I think of functional lol. But it seems cool

[hasty turret]

What do you recommend for complex?

[sage python]

I posted a review in pins lol

I think I largely stand by what I said there

[karmic thorn]

Linear algebra to be covered in real anal book

[whole rain]

y e s

[glad lion]

Excuse me what is the name of the book you are talking about

[karmic thorn]

Knapp, Basic Real Analysis

[sage python]

The flowchart is probably:
Gamelin if you don't know anything
Freitag if you like number theory
Stein if you want some awkward choices and like number theory as well as Fourier Analysis
Narasimhan for more sophisticated
Schlag if you're nuts

I'm saying in my mind that's what an analysis book should do lol

[glad lion]

Thank you so much

[karmic thorn]

Oh

So Dami was pointing out what a book should do

[whole rain]

"if you're nuts" why ?

[karmic thorn]

This doesn't align with the ToC in Knapp

Which book does what you proposed, Dami

[sage python]

Schlag is hard lol

[whole rain]

except linalg and manifolds and differential forms, it does align with what's covered, no @karmic thorn ?

[karmic thorn]

Hmmmm

Seems like it

And I think V2 goes into manifolds too

[sage python]

Like I know why it is that way but it's basically written for people who don't know any complex but know literally everything else

[whole rain]

(and I don't see why diff geo should be treated in an analysis book )

[sage python]

Yeah I mean Knapp's order is weird

Depending on how bad typos are, I think the book by Igor Kriz is good for analysis

I don't think this is diffgeo lol

Basically Spivak Calc on Manifolds

[hollow peak]

most analysis textbooks that attempt to cover differential forms fucking suck

I've yet to see a single analysis text do it well

that is to say, it's just too much material to rush through in like 15 pages

[slim peak]

Not a book but maybe one day, since I have to work with differential forms, if I go deeper I will try to write something on Differential forms from analysis point of view, not sure if it will be suitable for general Analysis purpose

[frail flax]

Introductory Probability and Statistics books?

'Proof-based' would be great

[gray gazelle]

hi guys, what book about game theory would you recommend?

[marble solar]

I feel the amount of work to set up integration in R^n isn't that much work

Whereas setting up lebesgue is more work

Granted you can probably just YOLO the integration properties

[sage python]

This part is why I say nah don't do that

I feel like you have to learn measure theory eventually so might as well just suck it up and do it there

[quick hornet]

all the integration properties are trivial if you dont think about why your simple argument fails

[whole rain]

And if you do that, you even get more properties !

[quick hornet]

i think this is called "physics"

[storm sleet]

I was told the first was an ok intro

we actually use the second for our grad complex analysis course

for better or worse

god speaking of integrals in R^n, our "advanced multivariable calculus" course used the book Multivariable Calculus with Applications and lemme just say

terrible book

hated it

[marble solar]

Probably for worse

S&S complex doesn't seem to be up to a grad level

In my opinion

Volume 3 & 4 definitely are

[storm sleet]

wb S&S1?

Honestly, I think having a not-quite-grad actual analytic intro would be good. My first course was engineering focused, didn't touch sequences, series, and barely touched residues

[marble solar]

S&S1 is a great text

But definitely isn't quite at the grad level

Probably junior-senior at most schools

[sage python]

Volume 3 is kinda undergrad kinda grad

[marble solar]

The first two or three can be done at the undergrad but chapter 5 & 7

Put it squarely in the grad camp for me

[sage python]

I think 5 and 7 are atypical topics for an undergrad class but I wouldn't say they make it not a good undergrad book

[still jay]

Anyone know a good functional equation text? The one I’m looking at now is Iterative Functional Equations by Kuczma but I have no idea if there are better ones out there

[gray gazelle]

It is a really good text written by a really good mathematician.

[manic fox]

imagine having kuc inbuilt into ur name

[gray gazelle]

Respect please.

[manic fox]

[glad prairie]

[gray gazelle]

@still jay Read that book.

[gray gazelle]

Excuse me, could anyone recommend me some novels other than following ones:

1. The Pride and Prejudice
2. The Picture of Dorian Gray
3. Anna Karenina
4. The Great Gatsby
5. Don Quixote
6. Emma
7. Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
8. The Haunting Hill House
9. Kane and Abel
10. Murder of the Orient Express
11. The Mysterious Affair
12. The Murder of Roger Ackroyd
13. The Mystery of the Blue Train
14. Harry Potter
15. War and Peace
16. The Lord of Rings

Witcher

Hobbit

ok, thank you so much for the recommendation 😊

[prisma snow]

@gray gazelle no

Terrible recommendations

I will recommend

[timber ravine]

The Bartimaeus Trilogy.

[viral hill]

Read the savage detectives

[prisma snow]

Obviously since you have read Pride and Prejudice and Emma, you should read Austen's other novels. You can also read the Bronte sisters (Jane Eyre and Wuthering Heights to start).

Then some translated fiction:

• Blindness by Saramago
• The Makioka Sisters by Tanizaki
• The Count of Monte Cristo by Dumas

If you do want to read more fantasy/science fiction stuff, I recommend:

• Annihilation Trilogy by Jeff Vandermeer
• Anything by Octavia Butler
• Anything by Gene Wolfe (probably best to start with The Fifth Head of Cerberus)
• The Left Hand of Darkness by Le Guin.
• Gormenghast by Peake

@gray gazelle for some reason I put way too much effort into this

[willow pecan]

Omniscient Readers Viewpoint by Sing Shong

[static crest]

[karmic thorn]

Hexadecasully moment

[static crest]

I dont have the nitro to sully bomb ange's message

so I had to just spam it

[willow pecan]

Overgeared

East of Eden

The Alexiad

[slim peak]

Naruto

Oh wait

[gray gazelle]

did anyone read the happiness industry

by william davies

[gray gazelle]

rejected

for the reason

[wispy mist]

R.S. Aggarwal good math book 👌

[gray gazelle]

a) House of Leaves
b) EarthSea Cycle Series
c) Bird Box
d) Kill Creek
e) 14 by Peter Clines

[slim peak]

I'm just kidding you.

Seriously you should try to read Sherlock Holmes it's great

[atomic stag]

best book to self study calc?

from basics to advance

[gray gazelle]

spivak's calculus

it's not just suitable for undergrad it's also good for everybody as long as they want to learn

[whole rain]

Any great compilation of analysis problems to recommend ? Or maybe just a textbook with great problems, and I'll pick the problems

[karmic thorn]

@whole rain Polya/Szego

[whole rain]

too advanced

[gray gazelle]

What kind of analysis?

[whole rain]

The elementary kind, like just stuff that is covered in a first RA course ig

[karmic thorn]

Pugh

That is one big problems book

[gray gazelle]

Rudin has a lot of exercises

[whole rain]

dami recommended me that in #math-discussion too, i'll check it out thanks

[sage python]

I also might have some psets from analysis the year before I took it lol

Because the guy who taught that had good psets

I will say the emphasis was probably more "multivariable calculus" than metric spaces and whatnot

[marble solar]

The portrait of the artist as a young man

Kafka's short stories are good

[marble solar]

If you've read War and Peace/Anna Karenina you can try read Nikolai Goggol or Dostoevsky. Crime and punishment was ok, Brothers Karamazov is a trip

I haven't personally read Goggol, but I should

[timid drift]

Crime and punishment is only good if you try to uncover it's layers

Too deep of a novel for light reading

[livid garnet]

i liked that

[livid garnet]

...

if you are going to recommend shitty web serials at least recommend better shitty web serials

[marble solar]

Lmao 3deep5me

[timid drift]

Lol I get why you'd think that

[willow pecan]

I like Overgeared though

[static crest]

that doesn't not make it a shitty webtoon

overgeared is shitty even for webtoon standards

[willow pecan]

It has cHaRcTeR dEVloPmEnt

[static crest]

when I drop a series for being too dogshit

it has to be really shit

[willow pecan]

I have worst taste than you

Checkmate

[static crest]

oh ya? these are my top anime and anime characters on anilist

I have worse taste

[still jay]

The best web serials are on royal road, though most are still dogshit

[willow pecan]

Is that worse than The E-Sports Circle’s Toxic Assembly Camp

I think not

[vagrant sedge]

Hi. What are good books on functional analysis and measure theory that have not just theoretical exercises, but also more "computational-style" exercises and also exercises showing applications to other things. I mean, sort of showing how the theory is used in other places...

Not so sure if this is even a good question, but maybe someone here has something in mind...

[slim peak]

FBI OPEN UP

[static crest]

smh only one character there is fbi worthy

[marble solar]

I don't think Crime & Punishment is that deep. I wasn't a huge fan of it

Guy rolls around on a couch with a fever

But it's the go to recommendation for Dostoevsky cuz muh murder

Brothers Karamazov is great though

I think C&P is proabably one of Dostoevsky's worse works. Maybe I'm in a minority opinion here

[timid drift]

I think it's an important piece of literature but I'm not really a big fan of it. I only commented on the "Deep" aspect of novel because my sister wrote a big paper on it for her college that explained everything from a psychological and philosophical point of view.

[marble solar]

Maybe I should re-read C&P, it's been ten years

I re-read Brothers Karamazov over winter

[timid drift]

Any good recommendations for English grammar?

I cannot wrap my head around rules like don't end a sentence with a preposition etc

[marble solar]

I like steven pinkers sense of style

[marble solar]

Ok, you need to watch pinker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV5J6BfToSw&ab_channel=TheRoyalInstitution

[timid drift]

Word power made easy?

[marble solar]

Steven Pinker "The sense of style"

@timid drift much of English grammar rules are in flux now

[timid drift]

If you know when to use a semi-colon you're good at english

[marble solar]

Nobody knows when, I just insert it when I feel like it should be there

Like difference between a hpyhen versus a semicolon?

[timid drift]

Oh my god what is wrong with English

[marble solar]

Nothings wrong with it

Works perfectly fine for almost everyone

It just doesn't follow neat logical rules

why does debt have a b?

Why does receipt have a p?

[timid drift]

queue?

[marble solar]

Debt has a b because it's supposed to remind the reader that debt comes from the latin debitum

Receipt has a p because at the time it was common to shorten latin words, so they wanted readers to think that it came from a latin word

[timid drift]

Wow

I'm gonna use this fact at parties

Thanks for the info

diacritic letters

[sudden kindle]

pt\

[prisma narwhal]

Anyone have a good recommendation for an abstract algebra book

[sage python]

I put a review of algebra books in the pinned messages

[prisma narwhal]

Oh thank you so much

[sage python]

Along with the ones listed I've heard praise of Rotman

[gray gazelle]

dummit foote homie

[prisma snow]

Yes, all hail Rotman.

[gray gazelle]

hi, anyone can recommend some precalculus trigonometry book?

[vagrant sedge]

Anyone?

[livid garnet]

ALL webserials are dogshit

[willow pecan]

[livid garnet]

no they totally all are

[willow pecan]

Web serials have literary value

[livid garnet]

some of them are more tolarable than others

[livid garnet]

[willow pecan]

Some of them are very good

I stand by what I said

[livid garnet]

which ones do you consider very good?

[willow pecan]

Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint

[livid garnet]

I dunno about literary value in that

[willow pecan]

I do

[livid garnet]

this is better than most of what im following rn so far

[willow pecan]

[gray gazelle]

Any recommendation on a pre-calculus book?

Or well

A book that can teach me calculus and complement khan academy? As im abooooout to finish the last lessons and tópics of pre calculus

[still jay]

I don’t know about this, but maybe as much as one can find in a typical fantasy/sci fi novel. I don’t really read them for literary merit (does anyone), more for entertainment. Also like 99.9% are shit and barely tolerable. Only a few are actually well written

[willow pecan]

I didn't say that all web serials have literary value

There exists a web serial with literary value

[static crest]

the existence of web serials does have literary value, yes

but also the vast majority are shit yet I keep reading them

[willow pecan]

The Count of Monte Cristo was originally a newspaper serial

[static crest]

good authors can be anywhere

[still jay]

Definitely, I don’t think the format affects literary merit

But barrier to entry is nonexistent for web serials so there’s shit everywhere

[static crest]

I just wish there was more creativity there

the same 10 (maybe I'm being generous with 10) general plot lines are rehashed like 100000x over

[willow pecan]

Oh no the apocalypse is happening and gates are appearing everywhere and people are gaining superpowers

[static crest]

if I see stupid blue game windows explaining literally everything

once more

I will lose my mind

[willow pecan]

[static crest]

also these people only know two fantasy settings in total

1. medieval europe
2. some "murim" eastern fantasy "martial arts" bs setting

please learn at least a third fantasy setting

[willow pecan]

3. combine them

[manic fox]

what is murim

[willow pecan]

Martial arts universe or something

[manic fox]

o i cee

[void sable]

urban fantasy ? like shadowrun

[manic fox]

the noun is uncountable

[willow pecan]

Yes the noun is not a count noun

We were discussing in the context of web serials and stuff

Is shadowrun a web serial

[manic fox]

tfw web cereal

[willow pecan]

No it isn't

The point is that other settings exist

But web serial authors generally stick to the same 2

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murim is basically the analog of the harry potter wizard world, but with "martial artists" rather than wizards

all the shitty wuxia/xianxia inspired stories you see

they're all murim

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Murim is Korean though

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yes

that's why I said "inspired"

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hwat is wuxia

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Wuxia/xianxia are Chinese martial arts genres

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it's not actually wuxia/xianxia, but it's inspired by it

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You cultivate and become immortal

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bro I've come to hate the word cultivate

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Oh yeah?

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someone mentioned cultivate in some gardening setting

and I was fuming

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What about opening acupoints

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And inner qi

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what

i guess im not cringe enough to understand

😌

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Cultivation manuals

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what about [random adjectives and nouns] sect

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lmao

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pink blossom and heavenly mountain sect

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Glacier rain sect

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just throw together random nature related words

and heavenly or demonly or shit

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lmao

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To be fair, this is how a lot of names in China come to be

Random nature words

It just translates poorly

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true, it just feels a bit ridiculous in english

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lol

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most of these words are like 1 syllable in chinese

so it doesnt sound as exaggerated and clunky

(tonality is a bitch but it also lets you do cool things)

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Yes I mentioned

Are you of Chinese descent

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n

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i just took a few linguistics courses in UG

mandarin was a frequent source of examples

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Yes

Lots of features

Or lack thereof

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partially because it differed from western languages in some fundamental and surprising ways, partially because half the class spoke it

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No tenses

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no tenses is cool

mandarin conjugation in general is very minimal I believe

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There is no conjugation

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like they don't have any verb conjugation (iirc)

ya

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There is no noun declension

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oh I see

very cool

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Everything is done with modifier words + word order

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😮

sounds cool

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I remember learning something about how questions are constructed in mandarin

it was very interesting

I forgot it all now

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Question words