#precalculus

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stuck lark
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very good. use parens in typing though. 3x(x+4)/((x+3)(x-2))

odd helm
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Ok

viscid thistle
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I have a triangle

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that ends up as sin55/a = sinb/7 = sin65/c

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how do i create an equation thats solvable if they all have a missing element

patent beacon
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Neither give enough information to determine anything

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Well, you can say things about b maybe

jade oar
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yea if f,g, were differentiable u could use lhopital's rule and say something about it using the derivative for (a)

hoary valley
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1s

jade oar
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if denominator goes to 0 your fraction goes to infty

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(with numerator constant)

hoary valley
patent beacon
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What's the difference? You put your opinion on them?

hoary valley
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That's the question written like that in the book. no one can asnwer it,.

patent beacon
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There's no one answer. Take (x² - 25)/(x - 5). The limit is 10. Instead, take 0/(x - 5), the limit is 0

jade oar
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you don't have enough infomration to say a) doesn't exist, and you are wrong for b)

hoary valley
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Told you, it's a really hard question. even my teacher doesn't know the answer.. but It's literally written like that in my book,

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It's either true or false.

jade oar
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It's not

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whoever wrote your book did a bad job I guess

patent beacon
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Okay, then we go with false

jade oar
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Teachers and bookwriters are not infallible

hoary valley
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James Stewart - Calculus_ Early Transcendentals-2015

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@patent beacon on both (a) and (b) ?

jade oar
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For a) it exists if the functions are both differentiable, which is something that is unknown (L'Hopital's rule). b) it goes to infinity

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for example, consider 1/10^(-1) = 10. and 1/10^(-99999) = 10^99999

patent beacon
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Can't promise infinity. Might be negative infinity from one direction

jade oar
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true it could be +- infinity, it may not exist too for that reason. bleh

patent beacon
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In either case, the function might not be defined to the left or right of 5, so you still get no promises

jade oar
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i don't think it's important to be defined on both sides, the main problem is since we dont know anything about the function going to 0, it could be going to both 0 from negative and 0 from positive, like some stepwise function that changes sign and decreases in abs value

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when taking x to the limit point

viscid thistle
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how do you solve sinθ = 24/25, 0 < θ < pi/2 find cos (2θ)

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im doing the double angle form

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still not making sense

rich flint
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@viscid thistle can you post what you have

viscid thistle
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1 - 2 (24/25)^2

rich flint
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Take a pic of your work and post it

viscid thistle
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its all jibberish

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i think he put the problem wrong

rich flint
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if that is what you got as your answer I don’t see the issue

viscid thistle
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the answer doesn't make sense

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the answer is supposed to be -527/625

rich flint
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Ok so they told you 24/25 is for sin theta?

viscid thistle
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yea

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and were supposed to find cos(2theta)

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i used double angle

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form

rich flint
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You used the formula and you plugged it in

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Post the original question then

viscid thistle
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sin θ = 24/25, 0 < θ < pi/2, cos (2θ)

rich flint
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Yep I got the same answer as the solutions

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So since I can’t see your work I have no clue what needs to be corrected

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Only thing I can think of is maybe when you simplify your fractions or when you square the sin theta

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So for sin(x) your suppose to square both sides

viscid thistle
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so 1 - 2sin(24/25)^2 == 527/625?

rich flint
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Equals -576/625

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Did you square the sine before you plugged it in

viscid thistle
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no

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what does that do

rich flint
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Well they gave you sin(x) and the formula asks you to plug in (sin(x))^2

viscid thistle
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isnt it 1 - 2(527/625)

rich flint
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Yes that is correct so maybe you went wrong when simplifying the answer

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You multiply the 2 by the fraction then you get the LCD which is 625

viscid thistle
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oh

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its 625 / 625

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  • 1054 / 625
rich flint
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No clue what your saying

viscid thistle
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alright

rich flint
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2 times 576 is what?

viscid thistle
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1 - (1054 / 625)

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OOp

rich flint
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1054 is wrong try again

viscid thistle
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I see

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1152

rich flint
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Correct now what do you do to the 1 in front?

viscid thistle
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625/ 625

rich flint
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Correct

viscid thistle
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thanks, what formula do i use for sin θ/2 *

rich flint
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It matters what the question is asking and what information is given

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I’ve never seen what you just typed there is usually an angle with sin

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Sin and cos can’t just equal that

viscid thistle
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**

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sin θ = 1/4 in Q 1 or 4 find sin θ/2

rich flint
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So what are they asking you to do?

viscid thistle
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what formula do i use

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oh

rich flint
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Are they ask for the degree?

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They have a chart for half angle formulas

viscid thistle
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ah half angle

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how do you decide which one to use

rich flint
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You mean when dealing with signs?

viscid thistle
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oh nvm

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you know how cos 2x can be translated into multiple things

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how do you decide which one to use

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its just situational

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ig

rich flint
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It is what information is given you can find the solutions with different methods so yes it is situational

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Each formula gives you the same answer

viscid thistle
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alright thanks

slender siren
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@flint stirrup

flint stirrup
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yo

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do you have a specific question ?

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or problem

slender siren
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Both

flint stirrup
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like a homework problem

slender siren
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So in level 2 of factoring trinomials right and yes

flint stirrup
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it looks like this right

slender siren
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Yes

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But it’s level 2

flint stirrup
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wdym level 2

slender siren
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Hold on I’ll show you

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Sorry if you can’t see this my camera is blurry

flint stirrup
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its ko

slender siren
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You know how to do this one

flint stirrup
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yes

slender siren
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You divide the first number by all the numbers right?

flint stirrup
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yes

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you factor out a number, which is 3 in this case

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so take 3 out of each of the terms

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what would you get?

slender siren
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x to the second power + x to the second power -42?

flint stirrup
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yes

slender siren
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I meant minus

flint stirrup
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but dont forget the 3

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it looks like this

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$3(x^2-x-42)$

obsidian monolithBOT
flint stirrup
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since we factored out the 3

slender siren
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Oh we got to put the the 3 out of the parenthesis?

flint stirrup
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yes

slender siren
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Alright hold on I’m going to come back to you in less than 3 minutes

flint stirrup
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ok

slender siren
viscid thistle
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how do i put this in stardard form

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(1 + i) ^ 20

slender siren
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@flint stirrup

brisk frigate
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Does anyone know how to solve this? I tried using arcsin(3/5) on my calculator to get the value of "t" and then substituted that into my calculator to find the rest

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As far as I know arcsin turns the fraction into a degree and sin turns the degree into a fraction, so if in this case t is the degree that you have to input onto sin(t) to get 3/5 then shouldnt using arcsin(3/5) give me the value of t?

patent beacon
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Your calculator will give you the Q1 angle

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You don't need a calc here either way. Use
sin²θ + cos²θ = 1
To get cos. All of the rest follow

brisk frigate
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oh i see, btw is there a way to turn the Q1 angle the calc gives me into the next quadrant?

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wasnt it like 180-the calc

patent beacon
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Perfect, that's it

brisk frigate
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i took trig a while ago so i forgot alot

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oh ok thnx

patent beacon
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Imagining the unit circle is key

brisk frigate
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yeah, it helps to figure things out

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thnx for the help

patent beacon
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Np, good luck with it

harsh cipher
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hi

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the part where it says -3 fits this condition but not x>0

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what does that mean?

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x>0 still fits the condition x>-4 ?

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lol

uncut mulch
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-3 is greater than -4
but it isn't greater than 0

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x needs to be both:
greater than 0 and greater than 4
the intersections of those is x > 0

harsh cipher
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......thinking......

uncut mulch
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(and then the additional restriction of x != 1 is also applied)

harsh cipher
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so its in between x>-3 but less than 0?

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-__-

viscid thistle
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how do i solve sqr2 ^20

uncut mulch
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no,
the -3 was just an example of what doesn't work

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at x=-3,
the argument, x + 4 = 1
however the base will be -3 which is negative which will make it undefined

viscid thistle
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How do find the inverse of trig functions

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like f(x) = 3sin x - 2 | f^-1(x) = ?

rigid sun
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arc functions, are the closest you’ll ever get to an inverse

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you’ll have to do the math from there

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x=3sin(y)-2

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x+2=3sin(y)

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(x+2)/3=sin(y)

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arcsin((x+2)/3)=y

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,w plot arcsin((x+2)/3)=y

obsidian monolithBOT
rigid sun
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Ewww

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😩

viscid thistle
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you ok

rigid sun
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Having flashbacks

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To sophomore year

brisk frigate
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I was thinking about doing "2Pi-5" and using that as the answer but shouldnt it be represented with a fraction containing Pi like the rest?

proud jetty
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can ya all explain how you get that other half of cos

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i was only given the left half.

stuck lark
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identity $\sin^2(x)+\cos^2(x)=1$

obsidian monolithBOT
proud jetty
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so could you explain it

rigid sun
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m9

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Solve for 1-sin^2

stuck lark
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the identity can be rearranged to suit your problem

proud jetty
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roketto i get it wut u mean but I still don't understand how the other half is same as the left half. ik im dumb

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phd how would u slove dat

rigid sun
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identity $\sin^2(x)+\cos^2(x)=1$

obsidian monolithBOT
rigid sun
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solve for 1-sin^2

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$cos^2(x)=1-sin^2(x)$

obsidian monolithBOT
rigid sun
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Now substitute

brisk frigate
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lol

rigid sun
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you had 1-sin^2(x) on the bottom right?

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replace that with cos^2 since we just proved that

proud jetty
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yes

brisk frigate
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I havent gotten to trig identities yet, do you think i should start memorizing them? Or is that not needed

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A friend showed me his formula paper and it was filled with them

rigid sun
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Yes

brisk frigate
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rip, feels like there were so many

rigid sun
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There are many

proud jetty
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wait so why do you put a cosx / cosx^2

rigid sun
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But just memorize the fundamental ones

proud jetty
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like ik we just proved the bottom half but

brisk frigate
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Sounds good man, good thing I asked so i have more time for that

rigid sun
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? MLG god what?

proud jetty
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lol i got quiz tomorrow and i got no clue wuts happening

brisk frigate
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yeah we can tell xD

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you substitute the bottom half

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and then you realise both sides are the same

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and say "wow, im done, im so good"

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thats it

proud jetty
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how do you end up with 1/ cos x

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shit bro I legit need help.

rigid sun
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make sure you say “wow, I’m done, I’m so good” out loud During tests

brisk frigate
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HAHAHA

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yeah dont forget that

rigid sun
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Dude

brisk frigate
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$cos^2(x)=1-sin^2(x)$

obsidian monolithBOT
rigid sun
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cos/(cos*cos)=1/cos

proud jetty
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shit nvm i see

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there are two cos x at the bottom and one at top

brisk frigate
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just substitute "1-sin^2(x)" to "cos^2(x)" and thats it

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and then you realise both sides are the same
and say "wow, im done, im so good"

proud jetty
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WOW, IM DONE, IM SO GOOD

brisk frigate
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:D

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HE GOT IT

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poggers

proud jetty
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^if only dat was true imma go do 3 days worth homework and than review everything

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thx alot for help ya all

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love ya no homo

brisk frigate
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lmao, should prob avoid leaving it till last sec

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<3

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gl ma dude

proud jetty
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lol gud tip but works messing me up

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and thx

brisk frigate
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Does P(t+pi) mean I have to replace cos(t) with cos(t+pi) ?

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Or maybe into cos(t)+pi?

stuck lark
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P(t+pi) replaces each t in P(t) with t+pi

brisk frigate
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oh thnx

obsidian monolithBOT
proud jetty
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Like how does cos(x) =0 at bottom make the denominator = 0

uncut mulch
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$\frac{\sin(x)\cos(x)}{1+\cos(x)}$?

obsidian monolithBOT
proud jetty
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yea like you know how denominator can't equal to 0?

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if cos(x) was -1. it would make the bottom equal to zero which isn't permitted.

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But if cos(x) is equal to 0 does it still affect the bottom half.

uncut mulch
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who's saying cos(x) can't be 0?

proud jetty
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ignore the right

uncut mulch
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when 1 + cos x = 0

proud jetty
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._. i read that wrong

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didn't I?

uncut mulch
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yes

proud jetty
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thx >.<

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shouldn't the values be root2/2 for 1/root2 since pie/4 = 45degree

uncut mulch
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1/sqrt(2) = sqrt(2)/2

proud jetty
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why is it written like dat?

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is there a purpose for the way its written?

uncut mulch
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certain calculations could be simpler

proud jetty
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oh ic thx alot

opal swallow
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anone can help me

willow bear
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with what

hoary valley
willow bear
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it sounds like your book only considers a limit to exist when it is finite

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this needs some context though

viscid thistle
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@willow bear is there such a thing as an infinite limit?

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can you please give me an example?

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and non example?

rigid beacon
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I think some books say limits that go to ±infinity are non-existent and some books will say that ±infinity are good answers for limits

viscid thistle
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that does make sense

willow bear
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what do you mean by "is there such a thing as an infinite limit"

viscid thistle
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disregard, you stated "it sounds like your book only considers a limit to exist when it is finite" and i thought you implied that there is such a thing as an infinite limit, i have no idea what an infinite limit is supposed to mean. i was just confused please forgive

willow bear
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$\lim_{x \to 0^+} \frac1x = +\infty$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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that's an example of an infinite limit

viscid thistle
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yo......

frank nexus
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yo

blissful wadi
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Any help with this please

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Mq = show that

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Convergente is convergent i guess in english

frank nexus
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that looks like japanese to me... cant wait for the later years in school..

willow bear
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it's not japanese, it's poorly written french

frank nexus
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LOL

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is it really?

willow bear
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yes

frank nexus
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okay, i didnt know why i couldn't read it

blissful wadi
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😂😂😂 stop talking shit about my hand writing its beautiful for em

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Me*

frank nexus
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myn is trash to

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too*

blissful wadi
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Any helo tho i tried calculating U(n+1) - U(n)

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To get an idea where it would be both increasing and majored

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Or decreseasing and minored ( ?)

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But didnt help

willow bear
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$u_{n+1} = \sqrt{2 - u_n}$?

obsidian monolithBOT
blissful wadi
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yes

blissful wadi
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Any help ?

willow bear
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let $f \colon ]-\infty, 2] \to \bbR$ be given by $\forall x \in ]-\infty, 2], f(x) = \sqrt{2-x}$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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yuck

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the spacing is all weird

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screw you, french notation

blissful wadi
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= ( french is col

willow bear
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then $f([0,2]) = [0, \sqrt{2}]$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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$f([0, \sqrt{2}]) = [\sqrt{2 - \sqrt{2}}, \sqrt{2}]$ ... i think?

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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maybe it'll come in handy that $f$ is differentiable on $[0, \sqrt{2}]$ and that $|f'| < 1$ on $[0, \sqrt{2}]$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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even though i don't have the energy rn to notate that in a way that would please Tuong

blissful wadi
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hmm wait let me try this

willow bear
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well

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$\forall x \in [0, \sqrt{2}], |f'(x)| < 1$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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i hope it's obvious that your sequence is obtained by iterating f starting with 0

blissful wadi
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whats next ?

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i tried doing something but it didnt turns out

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i tried to prove that $f(U_{n} = U_{n+1} ; f is continous , U_{0} \in [0,2] ; f([0,2]) \subset [0;2] and find that \lim U_{n} = x whichverifies the equations f(x)=x $

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$f(U{n}) = U{n+1} ; f is continous , U{0} \in [0,2] ; f([0,2]) \subset [0;2] and find that \lim U{n} = x whichverifies the equations f(x)=x $

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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hhhhf bad tex

blissful wadi
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uhetuehuyehteuht

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anyway

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i wanted to show all that

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and then conclude that Un must converge

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but i cant get $\lim U_{n}$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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lim u_n is the unique fixed point of f

blissful wadi
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huh

willow bear
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fixed point

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point fixe

blissful wadi
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yeah and ?

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what was your method ?

willow bear
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i guess you could apply this

blissful wadi
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nah i cant

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( didnt study it yet so cant use it in my homework :p )

odd helm
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-2 is a VA so (x+2) on denominator but

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It’s not a zero so idk why it’s on the numerator

hoary valley
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Is arctan continuous on R ?

willow bear
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yes

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it's even differentiable

hoary valley
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It is not discontinuous on -pi/2,pi/2 ... ?

willow bear
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arctan is not tan

hoary valley
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Oh It's a RESTRICTION of tan !

willow bear
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no, arctan isn't a restriction of tan either

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it's the inverse of a restriction of tan

hoary valley
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Oh Gotcha

hoary valley
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Constant?

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or an interval ? or what

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A point?

willow bear
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what do you mean by (b)

hoary valley
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b , in the theorem

willow bear
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it's a point

long pond
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I don't remember doing limits in precalc Pi_thonk

blissful laurel
hoary valley
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I see that it has Vertical asymptotes at x=-1 and x=2

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Does it have any horizontal asymptotes?

willow bear
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the way the graph looks suggests that it has two of those

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one at y=2, the other at y=4

hoary valley
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Right, thanks

serene heath
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Divide top n bottom by x

willow bear
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multiply it by $\frac{x^{-1}}{x^{-1}}$

obsidian monolithBOT
hoary valley
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Do I divide each part inside the sqrt by x like 16x^2/x and +3x/x ?

willow bear
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no

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$x^{-1} \sqrt{16x^2 + 3x} = \sqrt{x^{-2}}\sqrt{16x^2 + 3x}$

obsidian monolithBOT
hoary valley
stuck lark
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$\sqrt{ab}=\sqrt{a}\sqrt{b}$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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wdym "solve"

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there's nothing to "solve", this isn't an equation

stuck lark
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ig in some people's vocabularies, solve is synonymous with algebraically manipulate

hoary valley
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I meant simplify.

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@stuck lark Thanks

willow bear
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uh

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you made two mistakes there

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$x^{-1}(4x + \sqrt{16x^2 + 3x}) = 4 + \sqrt{16 + 3x^{-2}}$, not $4\sqrt{16x + \frac{1}{3x}}$

obsidian monolithBOT
hoary valley
willow bear
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you forgot something

hoary valley
willow bear
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how is anyone supposed to know

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how is anyone supposed to know when you meant to write a radical symbol but chose not to do so

manic hemlock
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is here where i ask questions?

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I just need help graphing a conic

hoary valley
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This is arctan it has 2 horizontal asymptotes as you can see its graph doesn't touch the horizontal asymptotes..

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How come in this function the graph of the function touched the horizontal asymptotes... yet we say it has 2 horizontal asymptotes at y=4 and y=2 ?

stuck lark
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horiz asymptotes just tell you the function's end behavior, ie what it does for big positive x and big negative x, not what's happening in between

hoary valley
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@stuck lark So in this example above, the function will never intersect with the horizontal asymptotes y=4 and y=2 ?

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In big positive x and big negative x ?

stuck lark
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rather, think of 4 as the y value the function will converge to as x approaches +inf

clear glade
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how do i solve : $1 + sinx = 2cos^2x

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$1 +sinx = 2cos^x$

obsidian monolithBOT
stuck lark
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if that's the graph of a function f, lim x to infty f(x)=4

hoary valley
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@stuck lark Thanks man, I think you definitely deserve the HONORABLE role.

stuck lark
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no prob dude rooWink thanks for the kind words

hoary valley
hollow pollen
viscid thistle
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,rotate 270

obsidian monolithBOT
scenic musk
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monkaS -5 points

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u didnt write lim at each step

hollow pollen
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monkaS

rigid sun
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,rotate 1

obsidian monolithBOT
viscid thistle
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How come this simplified to this?

proud sparrow
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consider multiplying numerator and denominator by $q_1^{0.6}q_2^{0.4}$

obsidian monolithBOT
proud sparrow
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@viscid thistle

viscid thistle
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I get dis

proud sparrow
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what did you do?

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show all your working please

viscid thistle
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I divided the numerator and denominator

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Oh nvm

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I get it now

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I messed up and switched up where the numerator and denominator should be

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Ty

clear glade
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I have a problem I want to make sure I did right

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my answer was tan(theta) = 53/38 so theta was equal to tan inverse (53/38), is that right

undone drift
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yes it's correct

clear glade
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ok thank you

mighty pine
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is my logic correct?

upbeat prairie
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I understood everything up till the length of the Latus Rectum

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How is it 4p?

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and how would I find it?

hazy hull
plucky storm
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Can I have some insight on where to go from here?

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I was thinking of bringing the cos over and factoring, but I don't think that's actually the next step?

plucky storm
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I'm guessing in doing something wrong here too

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Second one of right, there's no real solutions

hazy hull
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@plucky storm more like 4*i

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or 2i

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you already featured that

tardy plinth
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So I got this equilateral triangle with sides of 7m, in which an ant from point C goes towards point A, while another ant goes from A to B. I need to find a function distance between them in terms of y (d(y) in the picture). I tried similarities of triangles, but didn't worked, didn't get the function as showed and not sure from were to start developing this function.

blazing parrot
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At any point in time, CD=AE (assuming both ants move at the same speed)
Then AD would be AC-CD
You know the angle at one of the corners of triangle DAE, you can use that to find the side DE, the result of the function d(y)

tardy plinth
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I used cosine law to find d(y), still getting sqrt(49-21y+3y^2)

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I'm retarded or burned out wew

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Could the answer given be wrong?

native timber
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,w simplify \sqrt{(7 - y)^2 + y^2 - y(7 - y)}

obsidian monolithBOT
tardy plinth
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So the answer in the book wrong then

native timber
#

seems like it

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i mean its already suspicious that they managed to get 7y^2 considering that there's only 3 terms

tardy plinth
#

Didn't even want to consider it to be wrong, as it is taken from one of my countries exams catthonk

native timber
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literature is written by humans, mistakes are always possible

tardy plinth
#

Agree 100% now

willow bear
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y=0

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y=e would be a horizontal tangent line

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without the "never touches" requirement

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a graph can cross its own asymptote as many times as you wish

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even infinitely many times

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eg sin(x)/x

languid crane
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which function

formal dome
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Sorry wrong picture

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Then isn't theorum 1.2.4 b wrong?

Bec in the case of the 1st picture, p(a) ≠ 0 and q(a) == 0 but limit does exist

willow bear
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your book may consider an infinite limit as not existing

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depending on the multiplicity of a as a zero of q, the limit might be ±∞ (even) or genuinely fail to exist (odd)

formal dome
#

@willow bear o idk what you mean by limit may be even or odd but i think you mean(what my book explained) that the limit may be
A) +infinity from right and -infinity from left(or vice versa) hence limit does exist
B) plus or minus from both left and right so limit exists

willow bear
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by limit may be even or odd
no

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that's not what i meant

formal dome
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And infact it shows a few examples behind with curves similar to this and says limit exists

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Oh

willow bear
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let me rephrase

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depending on the multiplicity of a as a root of q, the limit might be ±∞ (if the multiplicity is even, and depending on the signs of p(x) and q(x) for points close to a) or genuinely fail to exist (if the multiplicity is odd)

formal dome
#

I gtg somewhere. Will check your answee when i come back I.A. idk tthe meaning of multiplicacy and zero of something lol

willow bear
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root

odd helm
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For this one why do you divide by 12?

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I thought you only divide when it's compounded monthly but the question says annually

willow bear
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low res

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can't read the blue printed text

odd helm
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Alright I'll try to zoom in

candid onyx
rigid sun
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,rotate

obsidian monolithBOT
scenic musk
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if a function has an oblique asymptote then it can't have a vertical asymptote correct?

spring thunder
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nope

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think about x -> x + 1/x for example @scenic musk

scenic musk
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o ok tyvm

viscid thistle
dim jungle
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Not inverse's

viscid thistle
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So why can I clear the x on the first one?

dim jungle
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Something without x - something with x stays separate

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You can't do 7/4-3x/4=4x/4

viscid thistle
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Oooh okay okay

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That's what I thought

dim jungle
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Not inverse's

viscid thistle
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Am master pro

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Can I 4n/4=n?

viscid thistle
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<@&286206848099549185>

limber bone
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yes

viscid thistle
barren hedge
formal dome
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@willow bear (sorry for the late reply, im refering to the question i asked you earlier with two pics about limits)
Ok so i understood you partially that limit may be ±infinity or even fail to exist depending on situations but according to this picture, the limit does exist right? Because limit from left = limit from right = +infinity. And if the 2 one sided limits are equal, it means the actual limit exists and is equal to the one sided limits

willow bear
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@formal dome again your book seems to only consider a limit to exist when it is finite

viscid thistle
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@willow bear Hey

willow bear
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uh

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hello

viscid thistle
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How do you rationalize or conjugate a fraction with a radical in the denominator

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of which the index is not 2

willow bear
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like $\frac{1}{\sqrt[3]{2} - 1}$?

obsidian monolithBOT
viscid thistle
#

yes

willow bear
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hh

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well in this particular case the "conjugate"\ is $(\sqrt[3]{2})^2 + \sqrt[3]{2} + 1$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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i guess

viscid thistle
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wth

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uhh

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so I would multiply the top and bottom by?

willow bear
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by that

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the basic idea is $(x-1)(x^2 + x + 1) = x^3 - 1$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
#

or perhaps more generally $(x-a)(x^2 + ax + a^2) = x^3 - a^3$

obsidian monolithBOT
viscid thistle
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difference of cubes?

willow bear
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yes

viscid thistle
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thank you

viscid thistle
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$\frac{1}{2 - \sqrt[3]{x}}$

obsidian monolithBOT
viscid thistle
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@willow bear I am a little confused on how you would get the "conjugate"

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I know it is (2x-1)(4x^2 + 2x +1)

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but I don't understand how you come up with it

willow bear
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not quite

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it'd be $4 + 2x^{1/3} + x^{2/3}$

obsidian monolithBOT
willow bear
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so that the new denominator is $8-x$

obsidian monolithBOT
viscid thistle
#

so my teacher was wrong? Lol

willow bear
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:?

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what exactly did the teacher say

viscid thistle
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I only have the notes from his lesson

odd helm
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I didn't get that as my answer when I typed it into my calculator

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I got 0.0001212

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Also idk why the key says divided by 1575

odd helm
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<@&286206848099549185>

fading token
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The image you sent clearly contains a typo

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,calc log(0.5)/1575

obsidian monolithBOT
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Result:

-4.4009344797457e-4
fading token
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two typos, even KEK

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And I can confirm your answer is correct, @odd helm

odd helm
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Alright thank you

hollow bluff
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why is that a valid answer and how do I get it

tardy crescent
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That's the change of base formula

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Log_b (x) = Log_a (x) / Log_a (b)

willow bear
#

^

hollow bluff
#

oh ok

smoky vigil
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pretty sure this is where this goes

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I need to find what x is

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if y = 2/(x-1)

dense oar
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Multiply by (x-1)

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Y(x-1) = 2

smoky vigil
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x-1=2y

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x=2y+1?

dense oar
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x-1 = 2/y

smoky vigil
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ahh

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oh

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x=2/y-1

dense oar
#

Are you trying to find the equation in terms of x

smoky vigil
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ye

dense oar
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$x=\frac{2}{y}+1$

obsidian monolithBOT
smoky vigil
#

thanks, more simple than I expected 😄

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Ok I need more help xd

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$y=\frac{x}{x-1}

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$y=\frac{x}{x-1}$

obsidian monolithBOT
smoky vigil
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need to find what x is again

uncut mulch
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what's your first step?

smoky vigil
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I just got to x=(x+y)/y

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don't know what else to do cus otherwise I get that 1=y/y

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which is true

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,but not what I need

uncut mulch
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how are you getting the right side?

smoky vigil
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x-1=x/y

uncut mulch
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oh. you should leave the y on the left

smoky vigil
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hmm

uncut mulch
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x=y(x-1)

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then distribute and
combine your x terms

smoky vigil
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x=-y+1?

uncut mulch
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can you show your work?

smoky vigil
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sec, gotta rewrite it then

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kinda wrote it in a weird way

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oh btw the 2nd line it's x=y(x-1)

uncut mulch
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what's the line below that?

smoky vigil
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1+(-x)=y

uncut mulch
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dunno where you're getting that
what do you get after distributing the y?

smoky vigil
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I just did x/x+x/-1

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that's how I got that

uncut mulch
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I'm still not following what ur doing.
what are you doing to both sides to reach that?

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you are starting with
x = y*(x-1)

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and the next step would be to distribute the y

smoky vigil
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elaborate please

uncut mulch
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a(b+c) = ab + ac

smoky vigil
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oh

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yx-y

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x=yx-y

uncut mulch
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move all your x terms to one side

smoky vigil
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x-yx=-y

uncut mulch
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then factorise

smoky vigil
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x(y-1)=-y

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oops

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x(1-y)=y

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-y

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(

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x=y/1-y?

uncut mulch
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go back a step and rewrite it more clearly first

smoky vigil
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x-xy=-y

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x(1-y)=-y

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x=-y/(1-y)

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Thanks

uncut mulch
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simplify the negative to make it look nicer

smoky vigil
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x=y/-(1-y)

uncut mulch
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which is:

smoky vigil
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x=y/(-1+y)

uncut mulch
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parentheses

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x=y/(y-1)

smoky vigil
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Many thanks

uncut mulch
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np

viscid thistle
#

Hello

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How do I write square root in discord?

uncut mulch
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unless you know tex, do:
sqrt( stuff )

viscid thistle
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Ah okay ty

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So I had a question about this

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When I solve this equation in the interval [0,2pi)

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3secx+sqrt(3)=3sqrt(3)

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Would I square it first?

uncut mulch
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no, you shouldn't be squaring anything for this question

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move constants to one side

viscid thistle
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Ok so

uncut mulch
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write sec in terms of cos

viscid thistle
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Ok

uncut mulch
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you should get 2 nice solutions

viscid thistle
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3/cosx+sqrt(3)-3sqrt(3)

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?

uncut mulch
#

what happened to your equal sign?
you want to reach something resembling
trig function = constant

viscid thistle
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Ah okay

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So I would just add an = 0

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at the end

uncut mulch
#

but then you'll have the trig function and constant on the same side,
so you should've moved the constants to the other side

viscid thistle
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Ahh

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So I should keep all the trig functions

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On one side?

uncut mulch
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usually for these types of questions, yes

viscid thistle
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And then I end up with

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3/cosx = 2sqrt(3)

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Couldnt I just have it in 3secx and divide by 3 on both sides?

uncut mulch
#

you can,
but its usually easier to work in sin/cos/tan instead of their recipricals

viscid thistle
#

Ok

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I only got one solution

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cosx=2sqrt(3)/3

uncut mulch
#

you didn't manipulate that properly

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what operations were you performing to isolate cos(x)?

viscid thistle
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I kept secx and divided 3 on both sides

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And then I just did the reciprocal and got 1/cosx

uncut mulch
#

if you were working in sec, then it would be
sec(x)=2sqrt(3)/3

viscid thistle
#

Ah okay

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But even then, thats the only solution I got

uncut mulch
#

that's the equation you need to solve,
there will be 2 solutions for x in [0,2pi)

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unless you are very familiar with the sec
take the reciprical of both sides

viscid thistle
#

Oh I get it

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The cosx of that is

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sqrt(3)/2

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And the solutions would be

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pi/6, 11pi/6

uncut mulch
#

cosx of that is?

viscid thistle
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When you turn the secx into the cosx

uncut mulch
#

you mean
cos(x) is sqrt(3)/2

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?

viscid thistle
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Yes

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Thats what I said

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Anyways

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I believe pi/6 and 11pi/6 are the answers?

uncut mulch
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yeh

viscid thistle
#

Ok ty for helping

brisk frigate
#

I need help with this, I looked up a guide and it still says the answer is wrong pls help

uncut mulch
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did you draw a diagram?
do you know what quadrant your point is in?

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what is your "y"?

brisk frigate
#

Yeah, unless im mistaken its on the fourth

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y = -5

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x = 4

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i did pythagoras

uncut mulch
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r = ?

brisk frigate
#

to get the radius, then used that to get angle

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sqrt(41) = r

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but since it was decimal i left it as sqrt

uncut mulch
#

sin(theta) = ?

brisk frigate
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(5)(sqrt(41))/41

uncut mulch
#

the ratio of which 2 sides?

brisk frigate
#

wym by that?

uncut mulch
#

sin(theta) = opp/hyp = y/r right?

brisk frigate
#

so i did, sin= y/r, so if y=5 and r=sqrt(41) then sin(5/sqrt(41)

uncut mulch
#

y = -5

brisk frigate
#

ye

uncut mulch
#

-

brisk frigate
#

well then

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xD

uncut mulch
#

also note that its Q4,
so sin(theta) should be negative

brisk frigate
#

damn

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you right

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such a simple mistake, yeah i got the answer now thnx bro

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feel kinda dumb for that one, been at it for a while and keep going back to check it

odd helm
#

Why is it raised to the 0.7 when the rate is 0.0685

brisk frigate
#

After factoting the equation I got: cos(t)=1 and cos(t)= -1/2

serene heath
#

Ur missing a solution

brisk frigate
#

Ok, I have 3 attempts left, the first 3 solutions i got them through a video I watched bc teacher hasnt explained this yet, does anyone know how to solve it?

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All I know how to do from the video is, get the values of: cos(t)=1 and cos(t)= -1/2

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Then I know that cos = x

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so (1, 0) and (-1/2, 0) are the answers in the unitary circle

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since (1,0) is on the same axis as "2pi" in the unitary circle, thats my first answer, and since (-1/2, 0) has "2pi/3" and "4pi/3" on the same value of "x" then those two are also answers

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But thats as far as youtube video knowladge gets me on this one

serene heath
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t=0 is also a solution

odd helm
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Could someone check the thing I posted above

brisk frigate
#

where does t=0 come from? in case i get it on my test

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Oh bc you know cos(0)=1

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Will I need to memorize the unit circle?

stuck lark
#

it will be useful for you later on if you do

brisk frigate
#

Alright

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Im still curious as to how he got that t=0, apart from him just knowing cos(0)=1, like did he just know or can that be "found" using the unit circle like I did with the rest of my answers?

stuck lark
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unit circle helps

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for real values of t, cos(t)=1 only when t is an integer multiple of 2pi

brisk frigate
#

oh, and I suppose that goes for all of them not just cos

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Then if I get that problem in a test I would have to use the unit circle for those, and then how would I find the ones not in it?

stuck lark
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wdym not in it

brisk frigate
#

Oh I thought u meant that "0" as the answer couldnt be found by looking at the unit circle

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So I thought in other cases there might be more values of "t" that I wont be able to find by looking at the unit circle

stuck lark
#

t=0 is ONE solution but there are infinitely many

brisk frigate
#

huh I see

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thats why they limited it to [0,2pi]

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and the unit circle only goes from 0 to 2pi for a total of 360 degrees

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I think I understand now

stuck lark
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the circle goes on and on. but after 2pi you start repeating stuff

brisk frigate
#

Yeah, now it makes sense why they limited the question from [0,2pi]

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What im getting from this is that from now on I'll use the circle to get all values from (0,2pi] then substitute t=0 and check if that is also an answer

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and if they ask for values after 2pi, then I keep going with the circle repeating stuff like you mentioned

stuck lark
#

@brisk frigate certainly if they want a few more solutions beyond t=2pi then do that, but i don't recommend blindly plugging in t=0, i only used that because i know cos(0+2pi*n)=1 where n is an integer

brisk frigate
#

okok Im not sure i understand the cos(0+2pi*n)=1 but prob bc im just starting, ill keep that in mind

stuck lark
#

$\cos(0)=\cos(2\pi)+\cos(4\pi)=...=\cos(2\pi n)=1$ where n is some integer

obsidian monolithBOT
scenic musk
#

how do i know that cos(pi - 2x) is in the second quadrant

stuck lark
#

feel like you left out some details

finite nimbus
#

My teacher assigning this as extra credit

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I have to find out the amount of space my turkey hand occupies

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What I’m thinking right now is box the entire thing and calculate the area and then calculate the areas that have gaps

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Like between the fingers

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Would that be the best way to do it?

scenic musk
#

turn ur hand into a square

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easy A+

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or

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divide ur hand into triangles

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@finite nimbus

finite nimbus
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Wouldn't the triangle method not work for the rounded edges of my finger?@scenic musk

scenic musk
#

i mean theres going to be approximations no matter which method u use

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for ur fingers make rectangles

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and if u really want

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u can make a circle

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for ur finger tips

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ull need triangles in between to fill in gaps

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its a lot of drawing and see what works

finite nimbus
#

okay thanks

raw gorge
#

I gotta question ab finances

#

You borrow $33,850 to buy a car. You take a 6 year loan at 5.75% annual interest. For the first 2 years, you make the
minimum payment of $557.01. After two years, your financial institutions offer you the option to refinance for free (roll
the existing loan into a new loan with no added cost). Your new loan requires you to make monthly payments of
$425.62 for 5 years. What is the annual interest rate on your new loan? How much did you pay in interest of the 7
years?

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I tried using future value to calculate how much is left for the final loan and got $36225.42

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but then i used present value and gotta negative interest rate

rigid beacon
#

@finite nimbus cut the hand out and weigh the paper

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You can find the density of paper

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And solve from there

rich ocean
#

engineer spotted

green zenith
#

how do you find the point where two graphs or equations intercept?

#

i was figuring out how on the equations of both celsius and fahrenheit

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for example, i have f=(9/5)C+32 for fahrenheit and the inverse of it for celsius.

viscid thistle
#

@green zenith set those two equations equal to each other

green zenith
#

and then?

viscid thistle
#

then solve for x?

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and then y

green zenith
#

so i look for the equation of both?

#

what do i then after I find both x and y?

viscid thistle
#

then you have the intercept at (x, y)

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@green zenith do you have the two equations?

green zenith
#

yes i do

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i have to say that this two are inverse functions

viscid thistle
#

paste them in here

green zenith
vague zephyr
tardy crescent
#

Hello @vague zephyr, what have you tried so far?

vague zephyr
#

I have not tried it at all due to my confusion as to where I should start

tardy crescent
#

So since it's a polynomial of degree 3, it can have at most 3 roots. In this problem they list all the roots, by saying that there's a root with multiplicity 2 at x = 2 and a root of multiplicity 1 at x = -2

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So your factors are (x - 2)(x - 2)(x + 2)

vague zephyr
#

so from this i am supposed to create a polynomial equation

tardy crescent
#

Yes, you can multiply the factors together and you'll get a polynomial. Although this polynomial will have a y-intercept of 0, so we'd have to shift it by -5.6 after all the factors are multiplied together

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(x - 2) * (x - 2) = x^2 - 4x + 4

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And then multiplying that by (x + 2), we get: (x^3 - 2x^2 - 4x + 8)

vague zephyr
#

and then shift it by -5.6

tardy crescent
#

Yep,

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So we get: x^3 - 2x^2 - 4x + 2.4

vague zephyr
#

so x^3 - 2x^2 - 4x + 2.4

tardy crescent
#

Yes, nice

vague zephyr
#

alright cool, thank you

tardy crescent
#

yeah np

vague zephyr
#

it says its wrong

tardy crescent
#

Oh crap, sorry

#

The shift was wrong, that's all

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It's supposed to be x^3 - 2x^2 -4x - 5.6

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So the constant term has to be -5.6

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x = 0 has to give you y = -5.6.

vague zephyr
#

its still incorrect

tardy crescent
#

I'm kind of tired and must be making some mistakes, really sorry for messing that up. Let me see what went wrong

vague zephyr
#

its all good

tardy crescent
#

Oh okay

#

No constant shift, what we needed was a constant factor

#

so A*(x - 2)(x - 2)(x + 2) = y, we need to find A when x = 0 and y = -5.6

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-5.6 = (-2)(-2)(2) * A

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-5.6 = 8A

vague zephyr
#

-5.6/8

tardy crescent
#

Yup

vague zephyr
#

so -.7

tardy crescent
#

That's your function: (-5.6/8)(x - 2)(x - 2)(x + 2)

#

Yes

#

So you can also multiply them into that polynomial and then apply the * -0.7, or you might even be able to keep it all in factored form like this: -0.7 (x - 2)(x - 2)(x + 2)

vague zephyr
#

−0.7x3+1.4x2+2.8x−5.6

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−0.7x^3+1.4x^2+2.8x−5.6

tardy crescent
#

Yep, that's it

vague zephyr
#

thanks for the help

tardy crescent
#

Sorry about that. So what I did earlier, adding a constant after finding the roots, actually changes your roots, so never do that haha

vague zephyr
#

Yeah its no big deal

#

last one left

tardy crescent
#

So whatever the polynomial f(x) is, it can be written as ((x - 6) * Q(x)) - 1

#

Where Q(x) is the quotient that you get by dividing f(x) by (x -6)

vague zephyr
#

so then in this instance x-6 is being divided by f(6)

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with a remainder of -1

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so ((x-6)/6)-1?

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or 6-6/6

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-1

#

so would the answer just be -1

tardy crescent
#

f(6) means you substitute 6 for all the x's, and since f(x) can be written as ((x - 6)*(Q(x)) - 1, you can plug in 6 for the x's and you get (0 * Q(6))) - 1, which is just -1

proud jetty
#

how do we get the 2?

tardy crescent
#

(1 - sin^2 A) - sin^2 A = 1 - sin^2 A - sin^2 A = 1 - 2 sin^2 A

proud jetty
#

there 2 comes from the remaining sin?

tardy crescent
#

Yes

proud jetty
#

why aren't they subtracted tho? like (1-1=0)

tardy crescent
#

They are subtracted, cos^2 A = (1 - sin^2 A), so both sin^2 A's have a negative sign

#

It's kind of the same thing as -(sin^2 A + sin^2 A)

proud jetty
#

ah ic thx.

tardy crescent
#

yw

vague zephyr
#

what would we do without vital

#

Thank you vital

tardy crescent
#

You're welcome 🙂

vague zephyr
#

We appreciate what you do m8

tardy crescent
#

Thanks

#

There's a lot of great people and great helpers on this discord

vague zephyr
#

Indeed there are however, I only have you to thank at the moment, they will get their turn too lol

tardy crescent
#

haha thanks. That's it for me tonight, have a good night 🙂

vague zephyr
#

Good night pal

tidal rain
#

Hey I need some guidance with this problem

native sequoia
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$\tan^2\alpha$ can be arbitrarily large

obsidian monolithBOT
proud jetty
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what happened to the square root

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and why did they move -1 into the bracket

stuck lark
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identity $2\cos^2(x)-1=\cos(2x)$

obsidian monolithBOT
proud jetty
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thx

stuck lark
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np

spark lance
lethal oracle
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Hey is there anyone around that can help me with a few things?

abstract dome
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whatcha need

proud jetty
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can someone help me with what happened to the 2 at the bottom on the right side

lethal oracle
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The sin^2?

abstract dome
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sin^2 - 2sin^2 = -1 * sin^2

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If that is what you're asking for

proud jetty
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(1-2sin^2x)+sin^2x

abstract dome
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yeah

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1 - 2x + x = 1 - x

lethal oracle
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Also I’m having trouble with complex numbers raised to the given power

uncut mulch
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combine like terms

abstract dome
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which problem do you have, alpaka

proud jetty
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oh shit. I forgot the -2 in front means the whole term is a negative right?

abstract dome
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yes

lethal oracle
abstract dome
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-2 * (sin^2(x))

proud jetty
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00f. thx boys and girls and other genders

lethal oracle
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The answer is -8 but idk what I’m doing wrong

abstract dome
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-8 for the first or second problem

lethal oracle
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They’re the same one

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I’m just showing my work

abstract dome
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o

lethal oracle
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I changed it to polar

abstract dome
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Did you expand the cube

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(1 - sqrt(3)i) * (1 - sqrt(3)i) * (1 - sqrt(3)i)

lethal oracle
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We’re supposed to use De Moivres theorem

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To solve

abstract dome
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Oh, I'm unfamiliar with that

lethal oracle
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Oh

uncut mulch
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you you would also need to apply the power to the CiS

lethal oracle
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Oh alright

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Don’t I multiply the value of cos60 by 3

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And the value of sin60 by 3

uncut mulch
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multiply their argument by 3

lethal oracle
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Like this?

uncut mulch
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no

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can you state DeM's theorem?

lethal oracle
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r^n(cos(nx)+isin(nx)

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x being theta

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Oh so i multiply my angle by 3

uncut mulch
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only the right side of the theorem but ok.

lethal oracle
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z^n=(r(cosx+isinx))^n

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Is the other side sorry

uncut mulch
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what do you end up getting?

lethal oracle
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I’m getting -8

uncut mulch
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that looks good.

lethal oracle
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I know it’s hard to see but for 23

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Why is only sin negative

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And not cos

uncut mulch
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although it still works, (due to odd an evenness of cos and sin)
the sign in between should be +

lethal oracle
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Oh

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My book says it’s -

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And for the problem below that it says the answer is just pi

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Not 3pi

uncut mulch
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which #?

lethal oracle
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But 5pi-2pi is 3pi

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25

uncut mulch
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what was the original question asking for?

lethal oracle
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Polar form of the quotient

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Oh do my radians need to be in between 0 and 2pi?

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So I need to change 3pi to pi

uncut mulch
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did they specify a domain?

lethal oracle
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No

uncut mulch
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2CiS( pi + 2kpi) would have the same value

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from just dividing (and nothing else), your expression is fine

lethal oracle
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I might have done this completely wrong

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Would this be correct though, the book gives it in a different form but my instructor said I could do it this way but idk if I’m writing it correctly

uncut mulch
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is that meant to be the power of 3 or 1/3?

lethal oracle
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The question is asking to find the cube roots

lethal oracle
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I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong on 55

willow bear
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what are you asked to do

lethal oracle
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Find the nth roots of the complex numbers for the specified value of n

rigid sun
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😩

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جذور تمتص كثيرا. وأنا أعلم أيضا أنك وضعت هذا في جوجل ترجمة. تعتقد أن لدي دماغ صغير؟

lethal oracle
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What’s wrong with my roots

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The fact that they’re not simplified?

rigid sun
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I can’t be bothered to do nth roots