#geometry-and-trigonometry

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wheat swan
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Is this correct so far

silent plank
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yes

wheat swan
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What do I do with n?

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Do i subtract n360?

silent plank
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subtracting n360° from both sides would be one way to approach it

wheat swan
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And make it n1390

silent plank
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no

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n*360 and 1750 are not like terms, so you can't combine them like that

wheat swan
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Oh yeah

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So 1750 - n360?

silent plank
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that would be the value of **-**t

wheat swan
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-t = 1750 - n360

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t = -1750 + n360

silent plank
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yes

wheat swan
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Ohhhhh

silent plank
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now applying definitions of comp, angles

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t needs to be between 0 and 90° inclusive for a complement to exist

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so you can keep adding 360 to -1750 to get such a value

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or set n to be ceil(1750/360)

wheat swan
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ceil?

silent plank
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ceiling

wheat swan
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Ive never heard of that term

silent plank
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smallest integer greater than or equal to

wheat swan
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So keep adding 360 to - 1750 until when exactly

silent plank
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when you get something between 0° and 90° inclusive

wheat swan
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So 50

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360 added to -1750 five times

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How do I find the supplementary angle

silent plank
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well you determined t to be 50° and that's all that was needed

wheat swan
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So the answer to this: Let t be an angle measure in degrees. Adding together t’s complement, t’s supplement, and a certain one of t’s coterminal angles yields a total of 2020 degrees. Determine t. is 50?

silent plank
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yes

wheat swan
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Man I dont understand that

silent plank
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t was what you wanted to find, and the equation you set up is in terms of that variable

wheat swan
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Why did we only need to find the complementary angle

silent plank
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we didn't

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we found t

wheat swan
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Why did it need to be between 0 and 90

silent plank
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that's applying the definition of complementary angles

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eg. if t was greater than 90°, there wouldn't be a complement

wheat swan
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Ohhhh

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Well thank you very much for the help! I really appreciate it.

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Sorry for being slow lol

tidal river
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;calc (8.90*10^-2%)(138amu) +(99.9%)(x) = 139

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,calc (8.90*10^-2%)(138amu) +(99.9%)(x) = 139

somber coyoteBOT
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The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Value expected (char 13)

dark sparrow
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this bot cannot solve equations.

upper karma
nocturne thorn
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how can i form an equation only knowing: one x-intersect and a point on the parabola?

dark sparrow
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as stated, you can't

nocturne thorn
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@dark sparrow you can, but i dont know how to

dark sparrow
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can i see the exact problem statement?

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i feel like you're saying sth incorrectly

nocturne thorn
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Find, in the form y =ax^2+bx+c, the equation of the quadratic whose graph touches the x-axis at 4 and passes through (2,12)

dark sparrow
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oh TOUCHES the x-axis at 4.

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why didn't you say that.

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as stated, it sounded as if you knew one root but not the other

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but now it's clear. your equation can be written in the form y = a(x-4)^2, and the value of a will be fixed by that other point they give you.

nocturne thorn
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i think i figured it out, thanks anyways @dark sparrow

alpine wadi
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I just started the Khan academy trigonometry course, but I am wondering if I should do the similarity one first

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this one

lean lagoon
upper karma
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What have you tried? @lean lagoon

coarse kayak
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@lean lagoon moving here. What thing did you do which got the wrong answer?

lean lagoon
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not sure ill send a pic of my working out

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dont mind the pink

coarse kayak
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Hmmm, so is it rounding error or an arithmetic mistake?

silent plank
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rounding errors

lean lagoon
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in pink the answer in my calculator came up as 52.062 etc.

coarse kayak
lean lagoon
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oh

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thanks

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man 1m off

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so it was a rounding error

silent plank
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consider doing the algebra and only using a calculator at the end

lean lagoon
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yeah

coarse kayak
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Is calculator using radians?

silent plank
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either that or store intermediate values in the calculator, but the former is preferred

lean lagoon
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it wasnt on radians whoops

coarse kayak
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Well you want it to use degrees

lean lagoon
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yeah

coarse kayak
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For the problem with has degrees

lean lagoon
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yeah

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thanks

upper karma
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I just started the Khan academy trigonometry course, but I am wondering if I should do the similarity one first
You should

alpine wadi
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ok

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thanks

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is there anything else I should check out?

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I want to understand the basics of trig and geometry so I can follow my college classes a bit easier

upper karma
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Trig is more important than Euclidean geometry for calculus

alpine wadi
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glad to know that

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are there any other things I should know?

upper karma
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Algebra

alpine wadi
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and is there any other site or book better for this than khan?

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Algebra
@upper karma what exactly?

upper karma
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All of it

alpine wadi
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I am mostly comfortable enough with algebra to attent classes

upper karma
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and is there any other site or book better for this than khan?
"Art of problem solving" if you want more challenging problems

alpine wadi
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thanks, I will check that one out

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I mostly need the basics now, so if you know any, please recommend

junior light
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Paul's Online Math Notes

sour jacinth
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I want to understand the basics of trig and geometry so I can follow my college classes a bit easier
@Mr.Pancake🥞#6070 Khan Geometry is pretty good. Trigonometry can be a mess sometimes

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If you're into books I can recommend you one

fresh pike
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just started 9th grade so not sure if this is EXACTLY geometry. Doing this online but can someone explain to me in simple terms what a disjoint set and complementary of a set is? It's literally right there but I dont get the explanataion.

TL;DR: Explain to me what a disjoint set and complementary of set is and how it's supposed to relate to the Venn Diagram

twilit zenith
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Disjoint sets are two sets which share no elements between them.
For example, the sets:
A = {1, 2, 3, 4} and B = {5, 8, 10}
are disjoint sets, because they share no elements. However, if you were to take the sets:
A = {1, 5, 8, 11} and B = {3, 5, 14}
then they would not be disjoint, because they share an element. Namely, 5.

The complementary set of a set A with respect to a certain "universe" U is the set that includes all the elements of the universe that are in U, but not in A.
For example, if the "universe" was U = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10}, then the complement set of:
A = {1, 4, 9}
would be the elements that are in U, which aren't in A, meaning:
B = {2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10}.
Note that two complementary sets will always be disjoint sets, and that their union, meaning the set that includes all the elements in either one of them, is the entire universe.

How does this all relate to the Venn Diagram?
Venn Diagrams are used to represent in what manner elements in sets are "shared" between the different sets.
For example, if you have two circles representing sets A and B, then the Venn diagram would show whether there are elements that are in A that aren't in B, or vice versa, or elements that are both in A and B, or neither, etc.

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Here are the respective Venn diagrams.
Notice that in the disjoint set example, the two sets don't intersect, meaning they have no elements in common.
In the complementary example, notice that the two sets have no elements in common (so they are disjoint), and that together, they make up the entire universe.

fresh pike
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thx for the explanation really appreciate the detailed work

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This is asking for the union of M and N so I'm thinking it's option 1 . Is this correct? Since im "uniting" all the numbers in the venn diagram

twilit zenith
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Sorry for responding late.
Also, you're correct.
According to the diagram:
9, 3 belong strictly to M,
4, 7 belong to both M and N,
6 belongs strictly to N,
2, 5, 8 belong to neither set.
You're asked about the union, i.e., the elements belonging to at least one of the sets. Which are, indeed, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9.

fresh pike
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all's good

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but can i ask

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this lesson doesn't really go into the bold line on top of MuN

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can you explain to me what it means?

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i just know it means complement but it never really told me the use of having the line on top of it like that

twilit zenith
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The bold line means the complement of the set that it's over In this specific example, since you found: $\$
$M \cup N = {3, 4, 6, 7, 9}$ $\$
then the set $\overline{M \cup N}$ would be the complement of that set, meaning all the items in $U = {2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9}$ that don't belong to $M \cup N = {3, 4, 6, 7, 9}$.

somber coyoteBOT
twilit zenith
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To use a visualization, if M U N are the elements in at least one of the sets, then the complement would be the elements that are included in neither of the sets.

fresh pike
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i would be lying if i said that i got the explanation of the first one

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so basically it would be outside of the venn diagram

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2,5,8 to be specific?

twilit zenith
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Yup!
The complement of a set would be every element in the universe, that isn't covered in the initial set.
Meaning, if {3, 4, 6, 7, 9} was your "initial" set, then the complement would be all the elements in the universe which aren't in that set, meaning, as you said, {2, 5, 8}.

fresh pike
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"MuN with line over the top" is basically in other words saying "find the complement of the set of MuN"

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ahh i seee

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messages on discord can be great things

twilit zenith
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Also, if I may note one more thing: Keep in mind that $\overline{M \cup N}$ would NOT be the same as $\overline{M} \cup \overline{N}$. $\$
$\overline{M} \cup \overline{N}$ would be the union of the items not in $M$ with the items not in $N$. This means that their union would be the items that don't belong to AT LEAST one of the sets, whereas $\overline{M \cup N}$ would be the elements that don't belong to BOTH of the sets.

somber coyoteBOT
fresh pike
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"$\overline{M}" what does this mean?

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im not familiar

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or is it just command

twilit zenith
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It's a command in LaTeX, a mathematical / graphical language for mathematical text.

fresh pike
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oh

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when it's stated that "Inlcuding 3 students on both teams" does it mean it's already included in the said fact that there are 20 students on gynastics and 10 on chess team

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i suck at story problems

upper karma
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G for gymnastic and C for chess obviously

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when it's stated that "Inlcuding 3 students on both teams" does it mean it's already included in the said fact that there are 20 students on gynastics and 10 on chess team
Ugh wait a sec

fresh pike
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.-. the heck 1-p (g u c) never heard

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formula?

upper karma
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Okay i inmediately changed to probability somewhy

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Forget the P

fresh pike
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So

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How does solving the problem work?

upper karma
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But it is indeed asking for that

fresh pike
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What is the process

upper karma
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Okay

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Do you know what union is?

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@fresh pike

fresh pike
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Yes

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Where sets join forces

upper karma
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Verbally it can be expressed as the word "or"

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As this question does

fresh pike
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intersect and
complementary not

upper karma
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Wdym

fresh pike
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read that somewhere

upper karma
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Oh yeah

fresh pike
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I also had "U" as "or" in my notes

upper karma
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Intersection is and

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Yes

fresh pike
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just didnt think it would matter as much

upper karma
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I just didn't understand what you meant

fresh pike
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i guess ill go highlight

upper karma
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Ok but yeah

fresh pike
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okay so how do you solve it step by step

upper karma
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Now notice it says are "not" ...

fresh pike
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yes or not

upper karma
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So instead of asking for the union itself

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We have to add the complementary part

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As you said

fresh pike
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mhm

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so "not" would mean the people not in these specified clubs

upper karma
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How many students in the school are not members of either the gymnastic team or the chess team

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Yeah

fresh pike
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so you total the gymnastic club with chess

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So what would the total be?

upper karma
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Not total

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Union

fresh pike
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what got me confused was the part that said (including 3 students who are on both teams

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wait no

upper karma
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We won't have to worry about that

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Trust me

fresh pike
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huh

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okay

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so it's asking for G union C

upper karma
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Almost

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How many students in the school are NOT members of either the gymnastic team or the chess team

fresh pike
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uh huh

upper karma
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Remember what "not" meant

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You said it before

fresh pike
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complement

upper karma
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Yes

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So basically asking for ${\text{Total n}}-n(G\cup C)$

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n is just to denote the number

fresh pike
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what is 1?

upper karma
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Whoops

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I keep doing probability

fresh pike
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Set theory is the topic of lesson

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to be specific

somber coyoteBOT
fresh pike
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what does n stand for?

upper karma
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n is just to denote the number

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Total number would be 800

fresh pike
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denote meaning?

upper karma
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Express

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To express the number basically

fresh pike
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but why n-n?

upper karma
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Total n-n(G U C)

fresh pike
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total number?

upper karma
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Yes

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Of students

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Which is 800

fresh pike
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im super confused

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can't it just be 800 (g U c)

upper karma
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800-(g u c)?

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My mixing of probability and sets may have confused you, i'll try not to do it again lol

fresh pike
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say wat

upper karma
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can't it just be 800 (g U c)
What do you mean by 800 times G U C?

fresh pike
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dunno

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i thought that was just saying total number of students

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but

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since is story problem

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it just requires logic

upper karma
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The total number of students - the number of (G U C)

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Do you understand it this way better

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Because we are asked for the ones that are NOT either on the chess team or gymnastic one, that's the reason for the "substracting the total number of students"

fresh pike
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800 students
20 gymnastic peep
10 chess peeps
(3 included on both clubs)

*my guess is that the 20 gymnastic students and the 10 chess students are just there for counting. But it says 3 people are on both (included).

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Im guessing it's tricky because it says (3 people are on both clubs)

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800-30=770 would be the quick answer but it's wrong

upper karma
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Are you reading what im trying to say

fresh pike
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i am

upper karma
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What do you not understand

fresh pike
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i just dont understand why you have to set it up like that

upper karma
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Can you specify more

fresh pike
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n-n(G u C)

upper karma
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No, i said "total n"

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Total number of students

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Do you not understand why it is total n minus the rest?

fresh pike
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well the reason i dont understand is because in this online course they never set anything up like that

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it was just venn diagram and identifying types of "sets"

upper karma
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You can visualise it with a Venn's diagram if you want

fresh pike
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i think im just gonna move on as this is gonna be very long conversation if we continue

upper karma
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Can you not do that

fresh pike
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i've already worked it out on notebook paper and solved it like a few minutes ago

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just had to sit and think for a bit

upper karma
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Thank you for letting me know...

fresh pike
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woops it's just i thought it was wrong

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being honset, it's because you were saying a lot of stuff i wasn't familiar with, so I just had to find my own answer

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sorry for inconvenience

alpine wadi
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If you're into books I can recommend you one
@sour jacinth sure, please do. I am currently watching Khan academy and I am not sure if it is right for me. I don't really understand stuff properly. Any source is welcome

sour jacinth
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What are you having difficulties with?

alpine wadi
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getting started

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currently I struggle with similarities

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When I start learning something new I usually have a breaking point where I suddenly come to a realization and everything falls into its place

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that is at least what happened with algebra

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now I am just reading through khan and while I remember what I read, I don't really understand it nor know what to do with it

paper vale
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it isnt that complicated sully

alpine wadi
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Idk, maybe I am going in with a negative bias, but I always struggled with trig and geometry

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any tips on how to learn and practice?

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or some key concepts I should look up first

sour jacinth
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With both?

alpine wadi
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yep

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the only area in which I am even worse is probability

sour jacinth
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Algebra and Trigonometry with Analytic Geometry by Swokwosky

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the only area in which I am even worse is probability
@Mr.Pancake🥞#6070 Are you me?

alpine wadi
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🤔

sour jacinth
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I struggled with geometry

alpine wadi
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glad I am not the only one

sour jacinth
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In my country there was a time when teachers did strikes during several years

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And my understanding of geometry was defficient. Khan Academy helped me a lot.

alpine wadi
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My teacher didn't go on a strike but was just bad in general

sour jacinth
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That happens

alpine wadi
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she never explained how or why anything works

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just learn these 2 formulas

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and plug in the numbers

sour jacinth
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That's the exact way it was explained to me

alpine wadi
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while it was somewhat easier to get good grades

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I now regret it

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and almost resent her for that

sour jacinth
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What's your grade?

alpine wadi
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I loved math in elementary school but started hating it in HS because of her so I didn't practice on my own

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I just finished HS and will be going to college in october

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that is why I want to get the basics done so I can follow classes without too much struggle

sour jacinth
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Hmmm

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What are you gonna study in college?

alpine wadi
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CS

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I am already prepared for a world of pain and suffering

sour jacinth
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Ufff

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Damn it

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You really need to understand ASAP

alpine wadi
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yeah

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That is why I am looking for good study material

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I had a similar problem with algebra

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but when I got into it, I managed to go over almost 3 years worth of material in less than 2 months

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did study for 7+h daily though

sour jacinth
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Same here

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But job fucked me up

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Setted me back 2 years

alpine wadi
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damn

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that's unfortunate

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I was thinking about using this pandemic to learn math

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but I had tons of work at home and also started learning how to code

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and that is 100 times more interesting to me, so I pushed math back a lot

sour jacinth
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I would advise to learn math first

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Math helps you to get a certain mindset that makes coding easier

acoustic jungle
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Need help proving AN_2: N_2N_1:N_1D=3:3:1

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I don't need help with the question itself

high hemlock
acoustic jungle
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Ah yes, the probability is over 100%.

simple oyster
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I forgot how to know when there is more than one possible angle?

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cos theta = 10/11.18

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like when im solving for theta

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wondering if i need to worry about multiple possible angles, like I remember something about subtracting 180 or something in the past but i dont remember

silent plank
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depends on the context of the question

simple oyster
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oh i guess since they are asking for the angle between vector v and w its just one answer

silent plank
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then just applying arccos would be sufficient

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you're thinking about the ambiguity with the sine law

simple oyster
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okay

obtuse kayak
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Working on trig right now. Still a pretty new math student and still really early in Trig. But we're doing Unit Circle at the moment and we're having to write a paper on it at current. Maybe the unit is just worded badly but this question just seems to be giving me more problems than it should.

Which angle has terminal side which crosses the unit circle at your point? How did you determine this?

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Would anyone help me decipher it so I can understand what it's asking a bit better?

upper karma
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what you have looks like it's on the right track (or is already solved)

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what is your question exactly?

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how to use trig to find the angle?

obtuse kayak
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So basically, my current PreCalc class has papers due kind of breaking down what is happening. We're starting trig stuff at the moment. I am just a bit confused on the wording as I need to give a bit of an in-depth explanation on the above question. Maybe the question is poorly worded but I am not sure what exactly it is asking

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The question was Which angle has terminal side which crosses the unit circle at your point? How did you determine this?

upper karma
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"your point" is point B = (b,a) right?

obtuse kayak
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yes

upper karma
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is it an arbitrary point or is it the point (.8, .6)?

obtuse kayak
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it's basically arbitrary, we were asked to select a point anywhere on the unit circle

upper karma
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ok

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we can stick with this example for concreteness and generalize it after then

obtuse kayak
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okay

upper karma
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for reference, this is what they mean by terminal side of angle

obtuse kayak
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that is what I was thinking

upper karma
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fix one side to the x axis, and the other is the terminal one

obtuse kayak
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yeah, i had already found the coterminals and all that too, i was just a bit confused I guess

upper karma
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so let's suppose we have an angle with one side fixed on the x axis and the other going through point B

obtuse kayak
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so we'd be using, in this example, the origin?

upper karma
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for this context (and any other unit circle contexts), the angle will always be from the origin, and with one side fixed on the positive x axis

obtuse kayak
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alright, so than from A to B would be the terminal side crossing the unit circle?

upper karma
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yes you could say that

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the fact that it goes through B gives a lot of info

obtuse kayak
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Alright, I was thinking that was what I was looking for but the question wording was a little poorly worded

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so just didn't think it would be that easy

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We're just dipping into trig and it's been years since I took any math. So this has been pretty weird getting back into

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I honestly think they're just trying to get me to show that I know what a terminal side is

upper karma
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hm I'd say it's more to recognize the link of triangles and trig to the unit circle

obtuse kayak
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ah yes, that's a really good way to put it

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thank you so much for your help. I think I know what I need to write now. Really helped unjumble my thoughts

upper karma
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ok great

dull kernel
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Idk where to begin with this c an someone help

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Bottom is C top right is G

upper karma
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Do you know the bisector chord theorem?

dull kernel
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could u refresh me on that

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I learned it but don’t remember it most likely

upper karma
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Sure, the radius a bisects AC from the theorem, which basically reduces our steps but this could be done without it i think

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As AC is a chord

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But why not just use pythagoras?

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On triangle ABD

dull kernel
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Ok

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What do I plug in for and

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Abd

upper karma
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And then after getting AB just remember that it bisects AC

paper vale
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Just use Pythagorean’s and times by 2

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Also consider proving why it bisects it, it is easy

upper karma
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Kane, i was trying for him to reason through that. This server is for them to help and when you are alone on a test, they won't have you to tell that. So please leave

paper vale
upper karma
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Also saying it is easy won't help them at all.

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I'm not laughing

dull kernel
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What do I plug in for abd

paper vale
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It can be helpful as he knows to what extent he needs to prove

dull kernel
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my exam is on the 25th

paper vale
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Abd is already given

dull kernel
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Where

upper karma
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No, it is not helpful, they won't have you there to tell them what to do, stop please.

paper vale
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Do you see that box

upper karma
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Abd is a triangle is not given

paper vale
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That means 90 degrees

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Abd means angle

upper karma
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@dull kernel do you know what pythagoras theorem looks like?

dull kernel
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yeah

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A^2 plus b^2 equal c^2

paper vale
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So use it

upper karma
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Where c is the hypothenuse, agree?

dull kernel
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but idk what c is

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yeah

upper karma
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However, here it is not the hypothenuse

paper vale
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Bruh

dull kernel
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16^2 +14^2= c^2

upper karma
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No, the c is already given

paper vale
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Does that look like a hypotenuse

upper karma
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Letters can vary, they just represent values

dull kernel
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what is c?

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no number is given for c

upper karma
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You are getting confused by the naming of the sides

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Let me clarify

dull kernel
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Ok

somber coyoteBOT
dull kernel
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ok

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So the 16 and 14 are irrelevant?

upper karma
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My point is, you have to use the pythag correctly, side²+side²=hypothenuse²

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Answer this question

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Which side of the triangle abd, is the longest of all (hypothenuse)?

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Answer me with: AD is the hypothenuse or BD is the hypothenuse or AB is the hypothenuse

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@dull kernel

dull kernel
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it is

upper karma
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Answer me with: AD is the hypothenuse or BD is the hypothenuse or AB is the hypothenuse

dull kernel
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AD is the hypothenuse or BD is the hypothenuse or AB is the hypothenuse

upper karma
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No

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Like which of those do you think it is the hypothenuse

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AD, BD or AB?

dull kernel
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AB

upper karma
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No, AB is not the longest side

dull kernel
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oh AD

upper karma
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Yes!

dull kernel
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It’s AD because it’s at the top

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Like AB is longest side

upper karma
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Yeah it is opposite to the right angle

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No what

dull kernel
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It’s the opposite of the bottom right ?

upper karma
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AD is the hypothenuse, therefore the longest side

dull kernel
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yeah I meant that

upper karma
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It’s the opposite of the bottom right ?
The opposite of where the right angle is located

dull kernel
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Ok

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Understood

upper karma
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I wouldn't always say the bottom because you can find a rotated triangle downwards

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Ok good

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So

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$a²+b²=c²$ we just said that AD is the hypothenuse, so $\a²+b²=\underbrace{c²}_{\overline{AD}}$

somber coyoteBOT
upper karma
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Agree?

dull kernel
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Yeah

upper karma
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Okay

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Now the other 2 sides would represent a and b, do you agree?

dull kernel
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16 and 14 yes

upper karma
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Nono, you forgot what we said, the a and b of the pythag formula aren't the same as the a and b from the problem

dull kernel
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Oh wait no 16 and 14 are different from that my bad so a and b are the 2 other sides

upper karma
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Yes

dull kernel
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yeah

upper karma
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Good job

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Now

dull kernel
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Yes

upper karma
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$a²+b²=c²$ we just said that AD is the hypothenuse, so $\ a²+b²=\underbrace{c²}{\overline{AD}}$ and let's just use a on the pythag formula as the missing side which is in fact AB,
$\ \underbrace{a²}
{\overline{AB}}+\underbrace{14²}{\overline{BD}}=\underbrace{16²}{\overline{AD}}$

somber coyoteBOT
upper karma
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Yes?

dull kernel
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Just curious but

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why is Bd and ad Those numbers

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Why wouldn’t a^2 not be one of those numbers

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How do u know where to plug Which number for each part

upper karma
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why is Bd and ad Those numbers
We are given those, they call them a and b in the problem, but we won't use their a and b

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These 16 and 14 are basically what we were given that a and b where from their problem

dull kernel
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Oh ok

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Understood

upper karma
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I understand your confusion, the letters they are given are the same as the pythag and it confuses you. But you have to remember that letters just represent side lengths

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Okay

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$a²+14²=16²$ do you know how to solve this?

somber coyoteBOT
dull kernel
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I think

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wait

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Looking at my notes

upper karma
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Try and if you have problems, let me know

dull kernel
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256 -196

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60

upper karma
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,calc 16^2-14^2

somber coyoteBOT
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Result:

60
upper karma
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Yes

dull kernel
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A^2 =60

upper karma
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But that is a²=60

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Yes

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Know what to do know?

dull kernel
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Sqrt

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2sqrt15

upper karma
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Yes.

somber coyoteBOT
dull kernel
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A^2= 2sqrt 15

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ohh

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ok

upper karma
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You took the sqrt on both sides remember

dull kernel
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Yeah sqrt of 60 is 2 sqrt 16

upper karma
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So it ends up as a and not

dull kernel
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15

upper karma
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Yes

dull kernel
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Oh yeah

upper karma
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Okay now we have half of what we want

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Because remember that it bisected

dull kernel
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Yeah

upper karma
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Bisected means it divides the side in 2 equal parts

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Just in case

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So what you have to do now

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It is a simple movement to get AC

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Knowing we have half of AC, because of the bisector theorem

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What we'd have to do to get full AC?

dull kernel
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Use 2 sqrt 15?

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Im not sure

upper karma
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Okay

little osprey
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Hey Zicro

dull kernel
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hi denton

upper karma
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Answer this: if you have a ruler that is 10m long, you decide to cut it in half so that you get 2 equal parts, what would you do to get the measure of one of the parts?

dull kernel
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Divide it

upper karma
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By 2

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Agree?

dull kernel
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Yes

upper karma
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Okay

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Look at this

dull kernel
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Yes

upper karma
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Remember we have AB=2*sqrt(15)

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And remember that due to the bisector theorem, BD bisects AC in 2 equal parts

dull kernel
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Yes

upper karma
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What do you think the measure of AC will be? If we have half of AC, Remember what i said of dividing in 2 equal parts

dull kernel
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Would I divide 2 sqrt 15

upper karma
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Almost

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If we'd divide 2sqrt(15) by 2, we'd get half the length of 2sqrt(15)

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But we want the other half, remembering that AC is bisected in 2 equal parts

dull kernel
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🤔

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how do I find the other half

upper karma
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Okay, another example: say we have that ruler that was split in 2, 2 equal parts one of the parts is 10/2=5m and the other one is 5m AS WELL as it was divided in 2 equal parts! But say we have glue, and we want to get the full ruler again, we have that 1 half is 5m and the other is 5m, what would the full length be? 5 multiplied by 2=10m

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Do you get why?

dull kernel
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Why

upper karma
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Because it was divided in 2 EQUAL parts

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If we say they are equal parts, they length will be the same!

dire sand
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Sup gamers

upper karma
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Don't interrupt please

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5+5=5*2=10

dull kernel
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Nah Damon chill he help a lot but, ok I understand partially what u are saying about equal parts and sort.

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ohh

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I understand I think

upper karma
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Then

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Do you know what to do if we have the same exact case but a different length for the half? How to get the full AC from what i just said about 2 equal parts?

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(note that one half was 2sqrt(15))

dull kernel
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-2sqrt 15 or 15

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I was thinking that

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@upper karma

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I am sort of confuse d

paper vale
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It is trivial

upper karma
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Yeah like

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I don't think there are more ways of explaining it

dull kernel
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Ok

upper karma
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Okay, another example: say we have that ruler that was split in 2, 2 equal parts one of the parts is 10/2=5m and the other one is 5m AS WELL as it was divided in 2 equal parts! But say we have glue, and we want to get the full ruler again, we have that 1 half is 5m and the other is 5m, what would the full length be? 5 multiplied by 2=10m
It just the same exact thing done at the end

dull kernel
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5 * 2 is 10

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5 plus 5 is 10

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Half and half of length right.

upper karma
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But instead of a half length of 5m, of 2sqrt(15)

dull kernel
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?

upper karma
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Half and half of length right.
Uh yeah

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x+x=2x

dull kernel
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Ok

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Understood

upper karma
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So do you know what to do to get the full side length of AC?

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Remember the thing i did at the end of

Okay, another example: say we have that ruler that was split in 2, 2 equal parts one of the parts is 10/2=5m and the other one is 5m AS WELL as it was divided in 2 equal parts! But say we have glue, and we want to get the full ruler again, we have that 1 half is 5m and the other is 5m, what would the full length be? 5 multiplied by 2=10m

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If they are divided in 2 equal parts

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Try to think of it that way

dull kernel
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So 2 sqrt 15 2 sqrt 15?

upper karma
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Yes!!!

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Add

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2sqrt(15)+2sqrt(15)

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Because both half lengths are equal! And we want the length of the 2 half together!

dull kernel
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4sqrt 15

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Right ?

upper karma
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Yes.

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Good job

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Also 2*2sqrt(15)

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Because 2*2sqrt(15)=2sqrt(15)+2sqrt(15)=4sqrt(15)

dull kernel
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Ok

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wait what

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What u mean

upper karma
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5+5=5*2=10
I used the same exact thing here

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a+a=2a

dull kernel
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Ok

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Now what

upper karma
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That's it

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That is the measure of AC

dire sand
upper karma
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Are you conscious of what we did? Or where you saying random things

dull kernel
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I knew what was going on however I am just confused on

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Also 2*2sqrt(15)
@upper karma

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What does this do

dire sand
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It doubles the length 2sqrt(15)

dull kernel
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oh

dire sand
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It's the same as 2sqrt(15) + 2sqrt(15)

dull kernel
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So AC=4sqrt 15

dire sand
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yes

dull kernel
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Ok

dire sand
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like

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say I have some random number x

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x + x = 2x

dull kernel
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Yeah I understand

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Like 5 plus 5

dire sand
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cool

dull kernel
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Same as 5 x 2

dire sand
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exactly

dull kernel
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Thx u very much I will go sleep now it is 5:50 am lol will be on in 4 hours

dire sand
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gn

dull kernel
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Been studying all day

dire sand
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yeah lol

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Maybe try to do it more during daytime

upper karma
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Ah yeah

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$a+a=2a$

somber coyoteBOT
dark sparrow
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wow, who knew that adding a thing to itself was the same as doubling it

upper karma
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I knew what was going on however I am just confused on
If you were concious of what we were doing for 1 hour, you would have just not asked "so what do we do know". What we were discussing and i wrote a million of examples for you to say "what do we do now"

dire sand
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a Copernican revolution in our understanding of math

upper karma
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Sigh

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Like, i feel you are gonna ask more in the future, just so this does not happen again, when someone tells you: do you understand it? Or whatever means just do you understand it, i'm asking if you are conscious of what we are doing and the reasons behind it. So instead of saying "i understood" while it seems like you did not far at all, say no i don't so that we can proceed without having a hole in your head. @dull kernel

dire sand
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I was being sarcastic

upper karma
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What?

dire sand
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I'm talking to DrunkenDrake

upper karma
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sigh

dull kernel
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Ok thx I will in the future

fresh pike
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would the intersection just be {0,2}? or is there no need to include the zero. Just asking bc i was wondering if it was needed.

paper vale
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yes

shell fulcrum
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including 0, it's an element of the set and nothing special

paper vale
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why would u not include the 0

fresh pike
paper vale
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proper subset

fresh pike
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so for ex
B C A
"b is a proper subset of a"?

paper vale
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so a C b

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how would B a subset of A sully

fresh pike
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for example

paper vale
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also btw it isnt actually a C, it just looks a bit similar

fresh pike
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yeah i know

paper vale
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for union

fresh pike
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Uninion?

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huh

paper vale
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well i guess maybe it is universal set tbh

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when i was taught it a different symbol was used but it doesnt matter

fresh pike
paper vale
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in this instance, yes

shell fulcrum
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they even used the Union symbol in the text it appears

somber coyoteBOT
arctic vortex
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hi guys if u know me thats nice but i finished my final test and i got a 95% overall in geometry so yeah i am a geometry expert thank you ann and hobo sas for helping me now i iwill help you so ping me if u neeed help yea

pallid edge
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nice

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epic

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good job

sour jacinth
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Good job @arctic vortex

upper karma
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@arctic vortex very happy to hear that! Good job

glad veldt
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studying for a maths test on trigonometry and found this question. Given the domain −π<x<π, at what interval(s) is slope of the function f(x)=sinx positive?
0<x<π
−π<x<0
−1/2π<x<1/2π
−π<x<−1/2π, 1/2π<x<π

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how would i go about solving this

versed river
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2pi<x<pi sully

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no calculus?

glad veldt
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it has to be one of the options listed

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and how is 2pi < pi

versed river
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thats very funny, deleting the message.

glad veldt
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sorry i edited it. maybe that confused you

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im thinking maybe 0<x<π or 1/2π < x < π

long totem
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how do you evaluate this?

livid moss
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Multiplying out gives $\cos(3x - \pi) = 1$. Do you know reduction formulas with π and 2π?

somber coyoteBOT
long totem
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also did i do b) right?

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Multiplying out gives $\cos(3x - \pi) = 1$. Do you know reduction formulas with π and 2π?
@livid moss ohhhh thank you sm

livid moss
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How do you go from sinθ/cosθ, to 3/5 + 5/3?

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Also 3/5 + 5/3 is not 1

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And 1 is not -1

earnest echo
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Multiply luna

long totem
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i think i wrote 3/5 * 5/3?

earnest echo
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How did you get those values, that's what Lunasong is asking?

long totem
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ohhh

earnest echo
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How do you go from sin(theta) by cos(theta) to 3/5 * 5/3

livid moss
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Wow that's an ugly times, just saying

long totem
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cause isn't tan(thete): sin(thete)/cost(theta)

livid moss
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That's true, but why is cos θ that

long totem
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i thought itd be negative since its in a quadrant where cos is negative, but iwas following this formula:

livid moss
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But you don't know what sin(θ + π/2) is either

long totem
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shoot i'm sorry; i have no clue what i'm doing ://

livid moss
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You need to draw a picture to find cosθ

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Or just find tanθ directly, really

long totem
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how do you find tan directly?

livid moss
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You are in the second quadrant, and sinθ is 3/5

long totem
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so that means i use pythag to figure out cos yea?

livid moss
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Or just tan, you don't need to finr cos first

long totem
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but to find tan you need cos..?

livid moss
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No, you don't

long totem
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could you please explain? I don't think i'm following...

livid moss
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tanθ = y/x

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or opposite/adjacent

long totem
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right, so you'd need to find the missing angle

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i mean side

livid moss
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Yes

long totem
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ohhh right right i think i've got it

livid moss
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And you have to do that for cos or for tan, so there's no need to get cos first

long totem
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so tan is 3/4?

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ohhh tysm

livid moss
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Well, based on it being in the second quadrant...

long totem
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-3/4?

livid moss
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x is negative, so it's -3/4, yeah

long totem
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thank you!

keen goblet
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hello is this channel occupied?

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ok nvm, so i have cone

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so they have filled this cone with water, up to 90% of the cone

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They want me to show that the water occupies 70% of the volume of the cone

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any ideas?

dark sparrow
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you mean 90% of the height of the cone?

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is it apex-down or apex-up

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cause the percentage you're looking for won't be 70% in either case

keen goblet
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ye 90% of the height

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and the apex is at the bottom

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i meant 73%

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sorry

dark sparrow
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it's not 73% it's 72.9%

keen goblet
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says 73%

dark sparrow
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does it say "rounded to the nearest percentage point"

keen goblet
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it says occupies "about" 73%

dark sparrow
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oh ABOUT 73%

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the cone formed by the water has 90% of the height and 90% of the radius of the container.
0.9 * 0.9^2 = 0.729

keen goblet
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ok

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this feels weird, i have this question in the section of trigonometry

upper karma
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It's perfectly fine, it's related to cone which comes in geometry

runic beacon
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I have a question. If there is a circle and I take a fraction of its circumference out which leaves me with an arc. Now that arc is all the information I have about that circle. Just from that, how can I find the centre of that circle , the radius and the what fraction of the circumference did I originally took out of that circle?

dark sparrow
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take the triangle formed by the endpoints and the midpoint of your arc

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or really any triangle whose three vertices all lie on your arc

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its circumcircle will be the circle that the arc came from

hearty gale
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What is a good proof for this theorem?
Through a point outside a line, there is exactly one line parallel to the given line

runic beacon
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its circumcircle will be the circle that the arc came from
can you please elaborate?

dark sparrow
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what is there to elaborate on?

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pick any three points A, B, C on your arc

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the circumcurcle of ABC will be the circle you're asking for

runic beacon
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ok
thank you very much

arctic vortex
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thanks

lament shell
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Locate point X on segment AB so that AX is 3/4 the distance from A to B with A at position -1 and B at position +11

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please help

acoustic jungle
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11-(-1)=12.
12*3/4=9

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9-1=8

lament shell
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Thanks ❤️

nimble moon
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Hey Guys, im new here. I've got a pretty hard mathematic problem and need to code an algorithm for it so i can use it in a videogame i am working on:

I have got a cubic bezier curve:

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And i need to somehow project a point (it can be anywhere) to this bezier curve so i can find the closest point on the curve and get the t-value from it

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have you guys got any idea how i can solve this the easiest and most efficient way?

crystal pike
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anyone know what this is?

paper vale
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lol u didnt even show the function

crimson smelt
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$\theta=\cos^{-1}(\frac{2}{\sqrt{5}})\
0<\theta<\frac{\pi}{2}\
\tan(3\cos^{-1}x)=\frac{11}{2}$

somber coyoteBOT
crimson smelt
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how do i found the possible values of x ?

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2/\sqrt{5} is a solution

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i can see

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but i dunno how to find the other solutio ns

upper karma
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Hi, I am doing question 6, I have an answer for the following question, given in form of the surd 1/15 * (4 + 6sqrt(2))

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I am using double angle formula for sin - sin(x+y)=sin(x)*cos(y) + cos(x)*sin(y), but I don't know how to obtain cos(x)sin(y) in terms of a surd

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@crimson smelt where does the theta part come from?

livid moss
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@upper karma looks like channel is busy, but draw a picture of a triangle where x is one of the angles, and use pythagoras to find the other side length. Then you can get cos x. Similar for sin y.

upper karma
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@livid moss thanks

crimson smelt
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@crimson smelt where does the theta part come from?
@upper karma given from question

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@crimson smelt where does the theta part come from?
@upper karma the top 2 lines are given facts from question, the 3rd line is what its asking to solve

paper vale
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so u are given that theta is a solution?

crimson smelt
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yeah

paper vale
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then just use the cyclic nature of tan to find the others

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the input plus kpi works

crimson smelt
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theta is restricted by 0<\theta<\frac{\pi}{2}

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tan doesnt get repeated within that domain of theta

paper vale
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that isnt what it asks tho

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3theta +kpi

crimson smelt
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wdym

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whyd u add kpi

paper vale
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cos(theta +2kpi)=2/5^-2, so adding multiples of pi onto theta works for a solution to x

acoustic jungle
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@upper karma secy=5/4 cosy=4/5

crimson smelt
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$cos(theta +2kpi)=2/\sqrt{5}$

paper vale
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the 1/2 exponent is only in the 5

upper karma
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@acoustic jungle Thanks, I solved it already👍

crimson smelt
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ah

paper vale
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it is still positive half tho

somber coyoteBOT
paper vale
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it just means square root

crimson smelt
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ok

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but

paper vale
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but there is also another family of solutions

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yea it is actually a bit diiferent

crimson smelt
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ok so your using the cyclic nature of cosine to find another value of 2/sqrt5 ?

paper vale
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yea

crimson smelt
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okay

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i still dont understand

paper vale
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so there is theta and 2pi -theta

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and adding multiplies 2pi's on to both gives families

crimson smelt
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ok if we go back a bit

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x = costheta

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right?

paper vale
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nah x is another input in the cos

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which we need to have same output of theta

crimson smelt
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but

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$3cos^{-1}x=3\theta$

somber coyoteBOT
crimson smelt
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$x= \frac{2}{\sqrt{5}} \pm 2\pi$

somber coyoteBOT
paper vale
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we want cos^-1x to differ by pi/3

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as 3times that gives 3 theta plus pi which gives same output in tan function

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so basically we are concerned for the inputs of the cosine which differ by pi/3 and such that one of them outputs 2/root5; which is 0<theta<pi/2

crimson smelt
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i dont understand what u mean

paper vale
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so we need 3cos^-1(x)=3cos^-1(2/root5)+kpi

crimson smelt
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$3cos^-1(x)=3cos^-1(2/root5)+kpi$

somber coyoteBOT
paper vale
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so divide by 3

crimson smelt
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i dont get it 😫

fathom root
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how can i use the calculator from the discord

upper karma
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,calc

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Or ,w

fathom root
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,calc 9=d*sqrt2

somber coyoteBOT
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The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Invalid left hand side of assignment operator = (char 2)

upper karma
fathom root
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how would i enter, 9=d*sqrt2

upper karma
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Use ,w for solving eqn

fathom root
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im having some problems with a couple questions one being

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for the bottom right triangle, i set it up as 9=d*sqrt2

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but dont know where to go from there

silent plank
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divide both sides by sqrt(2) to get d

crimson smelt
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@paper vale ive got it now

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lol

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thanks

silent plank
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and similar ideas with special ratios to get a and b

fathom root
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@silent plank So I get to the point where i put

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d=9/sqrt2 * sqrt2/sqrt2

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am i going in the right directionm?

silent plank
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and simplify

paper vale
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have u solved it, @crimson smelt

fathom root
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so d=9sqrt2

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?

silent plank
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no

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what happened to the denominator?

fathom root
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err i mean

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9/sqrt2

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on the video i watch for the problem, it would be 9sqrt2/2

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i dont get how though

silent plank
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$\frac{9}{\sqrt{2}}$ is equivalent to the correct value. That can be rationalised by multiplying by $\frac{\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}}$ which gets you:
$$\frac{9}{\sqrt{2}} \times \frac{\sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}} = \frac{9\times \sqrt{2}}{\sqrt{2}\times \sqrt{2}} = \frac{9\sqrt{2}}{2}$$

paper vale
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also @crimson smelt a probably easier way to realize why would be to just take the inverse tan function of both sides, but yea once you get that just divide by 3, and cosine both sides, to get expression for x

somber coyoteBOT
fathom root
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ah okay i get it.

crimson smelt
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@paper vale

fathom root
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so now how would i find b? in the example that a video im watching provides, it says that we should solve for b next, i get that a=2b, but how do i get what b=

silent plank
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have you started trig yet?

somber coyoteBOT
fathom root
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not really, its just like a review of geometry. I haven't done math for two years as I took an off year, so its all a blur to me

silent plank
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you may want to look up special triangles. trig isn't necessarily needed but it helps.

crimson smelt
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$x=\cos(\cos^{-1}(\frac{2}{\sqrt{5}})+\frac{k\pi}{3})$

somber coyoteBOT
crimson smelt
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thats what i have now

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@paper vale

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shall i um carry on?

fathom root
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how does he get b*sqrt3=3?

paper vale
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i think that this is as simplified as possible

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nice

crimson smelt
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would using the addition angle forumula thing for cosine be a good idea

paper vale
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did u read my point about just taking inverse tan on both sides at the start

crimson smelt
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taking inverse tan wouldnt work?

silent plank
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ratios in a 30°-60°-90° triangle

paper vale
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the addition thing probably makes it less simplified

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yea im talking about taking the inverse tan as another way to see why what we did works

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like an easier way

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but yea, cos(m+n) is more simple than expanding it

crimson smelt
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yeah id use the previous one

paper vale
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yea there are infintie

fathom root
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how would i solve

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An escalator in a department store is to carry people a vertical distance of 10 feet between floors. How long is the escalator if it makes an angle of 30° with the ground?

paper vale
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does it ask for x to be in a certain parameter @crimson smelt

crimson smelt
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no

paper vale
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ok, if that was the case you would just plug in values of n whcih fit the parameter

crimson smelt
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yh

paper vale
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An escalator in a department store is to carry people a vertical distance of 10 feet between floors. How long is the escalator if it makes an angle of 30° with the ground?
what is this question?

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the size of the escalator? it could be anything

fathom root
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How long it is

crimson smelt
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draw a triangle

fathom root
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would you figure out all 3 sides with the 30 60 90 triangle formulae and add them all together?

crimson smelt
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no

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you could

paper vale
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wait so u are literally finding the elevator's height?

paper vale
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you cant do that sully

fathom root
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this is the question

paper vale
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oh wait i was confusing an escalator with an elevator lmao

crimson smelt
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lool

paper vale
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this question is just asking for the width which is pretty trivial

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but yea it is tan not sin

fathom root
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im so confused :c

crimson smelt
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Would escalator be the hypotenuse

silent plank
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it would be sin

paper vale
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the direction is hypotenuse

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so o=10, and we are finding a

crimson smelt
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wouldnt h be the length of the escalator

paper vale
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h=10=o

silent plank
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huh

fathom root
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i tried googling a picture and this popped up

silent plank
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escalators are slanted conveyor belts

crimson smelt
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yeah ....

silent plank
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instead of 20ft, the height is 10ft for your question

paper vale
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oh i though the question asked how far it travalled

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as in the width

fathom root
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yeah

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it is sorry

paper vale
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but yea i guess it isnt that tbh

fathom root
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i just have no idea where to go forward to solve it, so frustrating

crimson smelt
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thats how a diagram would be like right

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and the question wants H

paper vale
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use the definition that sinx=o/h

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and solve for h

crimson smelt
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o

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yh

fathom root
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so what do i plug in?

paper vale
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no?

crimson smelt
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nvm

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lol

paper vale
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lol

silent plank
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technically that was true:
sin(30) is indeed negative, and isn't the same as sin(30 degrees)

crimson smelt
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so what do i plug in?
@fathom root well have u used sin cos and tan before

fathom root
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yea but back in like 10th grade

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its been 3+ years

silent plank
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review special angles,ratios,triangles

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you should be well versed in stuff relating to 0°,30°,45°,60,90° angles

fathom root
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im dumb

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its easy

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should be

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,w 10/sin30

somber coyoteBOT
fathom root
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right?

silent plank
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yes

fathom root
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sweet. thank you. just took a bit of reading in the textbook.

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Find the remaining sides of a 30°-60°-90° triangle if the longest side is 9. (Enter your answers as a comma-separated list.)

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when it says longest side it means hypotenuse right?

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not the long side / short side?

crimson smelt
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ye

fathom root
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ok ty

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well i went completely wrong somewhere

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lul

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finally got to my last problem, everything else right but this one

acoustic jungle
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9/sqrt2 = 9sqrt2/2 not sqrt9/2

fathom root
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oh whoops, so D is

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\frac{9\sqrt{2}}{2}

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err

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yikes

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d is 9sqrt2/2

acoustic jungle
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sin60=sqrt3/2=9/a

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tan60=sqrt3=c/b

fathom root
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so a = 6sqrt3?

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is that correct?

acoustic jungle
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ye.

fathom root
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when i plug that tan60 into the bot, it gives me a weird looking response

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,w tan60=sqrt3=c/b

somber coyoteBOT
fathom root
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oh i think i see why

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wait no im confused

acoustic jungle
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c is 9

fathom root
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,w tan60=sqrt3=9/b

somber coyoteBOT
fathom root
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is that the right way to plug it in?

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oh that means

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b= 9sqrt3?

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hmm got a and d just says b isnt correct.

silent plank
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the output says b=3sqrt(3)

fathom root
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oh my god

silent plank
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is which is also half of a, which is what you should be entering

fathom root
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im

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okay, so 3sqrt3 is half of a?

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so ,w 3sqrt3*2

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,w 3sqrt3*2

somber coyoteBOT
fathom root
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err

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oh

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wait

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im so dumb

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sorry, i get it now

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thanks for the help yall.

proper rivet
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question

versed river
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question

proper rivet
dark sparrow
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you don't get what

proper rivet
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a surd

dark sparrow
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that's british math speak for radical

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basically just the answer in exact form

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no decimals

proper rivet
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ok thanks

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and how do you find the interval

dark sparrow
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you're not asked to "find" the segment*, you're asked for its length

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i.e. the distance between H and T

proper rivet
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so its basically just (-5, -4)

dire sand
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surd is also australia :c

dark sparrow
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the distance

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this feels like the "no, the lid. the lid. THE LID." meme

proper rivet
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so how do you find it

dark sparrow
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do you know what the word "distance" means

proper rivet
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yes

dark sparrow
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ok what does it mean

proper rivet
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how far something is

dark sparrow
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great so you know that the distance must be a number, and a positive one at that

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now do you know how to find the distance between two points?

proper rivet
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you minus them i guess

dark sparrow
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that is way too imprecise.

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also "minus" isn't a verb.

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also you should not be "guessing" anything.