#geometry-and-trigonometry
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that description isn't very clear.
you reflected it over the y-axis just fine
just reflect what you have again except this time over x=6
I kind of get it now, thanks! I’m not sure if I’m doing it the “best way” possible but the way I do it still gets me the answer now
I’m just counting each block until it gets to the line, and counting the same amount after the line
And then I plot it
What is reason 6 on problem #10?
I got triangle JDH congruent to triangle DJK for #5 for reason HL
and #6 angle H is congruent to angle K because of CPCTC
I have a slight problem, we have an excercise with pyramids and we this is all the information we have for it, not even height, is there any way to find out the height or is it just impossible ?
nvm the teacher gave us height now
@inland kiln for part b use a trig ratio. One of the side lengths you know and you know the angle and the other side length is the radius
Part c use Pythagorean theorem
One side is r, the other is 14
And then the trick is the hypotenuse is r+10
👍
can you find angle ADB?
ABC is a right angle
And then there's an isoceles triangle in there that you can take advantage of
not quite
75 and 435 are coterminal with -285
however it seems you missed a solution
did you check whether 255 or -645 were coterminal?
As long as you can add any integer multiple of 360° to -285° and get to one of the angles in the list, then the angle is coterminal to -285°. Same for both 4 and 5, you can simply take the difference between the angles in the list and -285° (for 4) or 120° (for 5), and if the resulting angle is some multiple of 360°, it is coterminal to -285°/120°
it's just anything that's -285 mod 360
which is basically 75 mod 360
for 5, it's anything 120 mod 360 or -240 mod 360
@jaunty crane
yeah it is
yay
hello, so i received this maths assignment from my school and there is two question that is confusing me
first question is "indicate where the graphs of cot(x) and 1/tan(x) are different. if necessary, make the alterations by hand to your existing graph of y=1/tan(x)"
and the second question is "use the unit circle to explain why there is a difference between the 2 graphs"
i cant find any difference between them when i put it on desmos
the definition of cot(x) is 1/tan(x) if im not mistaken
so it should be the same graph
yes, thats im thinking
i dont know why teh question is asking me to explain the difference
can you take a picture of it
dw
it says they are the same on the paper
so for this front part you can just draw the same graph twice i'd assume
does it say "there is a difference" or "isn't"
c) nowhere
i wouldve put that
but then question d comes and asks use the unit circle to explain the difference????
why there is a difference*
can you send a picture of d)
click the link
it only shows c
for the first one
you draw the line
and if the square is crossing it at any point
then that means that reflecting over it will cause it to land on itself
its asking which of those won't have that happen
second one no clue
y=x means that for every x, the y coordinate is that same number
so what line will it be
A diagonal one with a slope of 1
So how are you supposed to reflect something if it’s overlapping
you just switch up the coordinates like i said, in the case of y=x
Why is it -x, -y
not exactly sure how to explain it
its like drawing a perpendicular to the line from every point
nvm that explanation is bad
if you draw the line you'll see why
but i think they want visual analysis for this hw rather than actual mathematical analysis
So for a, I draw a vertical line on x=5
Wym
is the line passing through the shape?
No
Do that’s the answer?
i'm assuming it is
$\left(r,:\theta \right)=\left(4,:-60^{\circ }\right):to:\left(x,:y\right)$
Pony Boy:
Can anyone help me with this question?
do you know how to switch from polar to x and y
not really no
$(2,-2\sqrt{3})$
Pony Boy:
yeah thanks to you, I knocked out 4 problems lightning fast!
Convert to rectangular equations. $ r=4cos\theta$
Pony Boy:
Okay is this similar to what I was just doing?
yeah i believe so
so you find the parametrics which will be done through x=rcostheta
and y=rcostheta
then you can try and substitute to find an y(x) = ...
so its not like the $x^2+y^2=r^2$?
Pony Boy:
$x^2+y^2=4cos\theta$
Pony Boy:
Okay, I didn't know if you had an alternate way of figuring it out
so how would I go about solving it like this?
wait redo the r^2
Is it wrong?
Pony Boy:
yeah
I honestly don't remember what its supposed to equal to
as in, you don't know the answer?
Pony Boy:
$(4cos\theta)(4cos\theta)$
Pony Boy:
$16cos^2(\theta)$
Pony Boy:
that would be it correct?
Okay yeah thats what im asking, but Im just going to be square rooting all this I think anyway
@chrome sedge what does it say
Actually cant help you without the instructions because there is no information on figure 2
can someone help me find cofunctions
i just want to know how to enter them into my calculator
if i wanted to find the cosecant of 83 would i do 1/sin(83) or sin^-1(83)
1/sin(83)
thanks
@tiny halo tell me, what are we given here? in terms of the lines. are they tangents, etc.?
im given that X = 8
ok perhaps my question wasnt worded correctly
what types of lines are these
@tiny halo
secants?
so the length of a secant line can be found by HJ*HK (in this example)
its the length of shorter segment times the length of the longer segment
so hj times kj ?
no
im so cinfused this is my last question for my lesson and i dont know how to do this
its hj times hk
oh
yes
so what is the length of hj?
11 or 3x
11

beautiful
so the length of a secant line is the smaller line times the bigger line
oh
so that makes this 8*11
88
and since the two secant lines have the same origin (H) we can make this whole thing secant line1=secant line2
so secant line 1 length is HJ times HK and we found thats 88
so 88= secant line 2
now we have to find secant line 2
yeah
so what is the smaller line's length on the second part
hg
3
not fg
fh?
sorry to interrupt 😐
@broken mantle not to worry
yes]
i will take a look at your q in a sec we will be done in a min
so what is length of HF?
3y?
not quite
the values are right
but the operation is off
we want the total length of this
all good
3?
is it 8
bruh
the length of HF is 3+y
i had that in my head but i thought it was wrong
never be afraid to say whats in your mind we are all friendly here. we are fellow students
we dont bite. we are friendly
ok thanks
so now we have our long length, 3+y, and we have our short length, 3
just like the first part, multiply these two together
3*(3+y)
=________??
3
9 + 3y
then you divide by 3 on both sides
just make sure you write out your steps when solving this and explain them to yourself so then that way when this sort of problem comes back up you can kick its butt
yes

i got 26.33
that should be it
i havent run the numbers but the process is right so im sure youre right
so those are the answers to those three
yes @paper mauve
is this 270
no
what is it
ok so lets look at what we are given here we need 20 dots
so in order to make 20 dots total we can make the dots into an assembly of 4 rows of 5
@tiny halo its 45 degrees
how do i figure out an assembly
for any given number of dots
i think i got an idea
do tell
rectangle area = 30*12
so for this example ill use numbers
thats 360 i think
we have 20 dots
divide 360 by 20 to get 18
18 is the area that each dot should get
i place it in the centre of that area
what is "it"
dot
iterate for each next dot by incrementing distance over its area length
well how do you know the area length?
i dont 😐
even then im not entirely sure if that would pan out correctly
because area is units^2
it doesnt have to be perfectly distanced from eachother
so unless you assumed the spacing between dots are square i cant think of a way that this could work
i can imagine smaller areas like shrinked big rectangles and calculate their sides by
dividing a side by dot amount or so
you just gave me an idea
cause im shrinking big rectangle by number of dots as well
ok so have you seen area described as a grid before?
that sounds strange to me but im sure ill understand
like this
so if we do the same thing to our case and place a dot at every intersection between the x and y coordinate lines
my area =/= number of dots
hm yeah youre right
so what if we were to just scale everything
wait area/dots wont work, how do we scale?
well what if we were to instead place dots at the center of each grid
this giving 20 dots
thus*
and then find the coordinate distances between each dot?
well we can split the entirety into 20 cells
tell me how and ill take care of the rest from that point
it can be easy to say 4x5, but what if grid rectangle is 8916x98524 and we need 56543 dots?
maybe my wording was off here. im not trying to replace dots with area. im trying to split the entire area into smaller areas
and use those as the foundations for each independent dot
that would work for me as well
@paper mauve are u guys still working?
so as you can see from my beautiful drawing
if we were to continue adding dots we will end with 20
yes we are
but how do u figure out that grid should be 4 by 5?
but how do you generalize it?
just by splitting it up so that we can incrementally add in a new rectangle each time without throwing off the space
so we can split the lengths into increments
we dont even have to do this as 4x5
i can do this as 2x10
imagine youre putting decor on a wall
yeah, but as i mentioned these solutions are very computation intense
not at all
its just simple scaling
so in this example if we split up 30 into 2, we get 15 feet of width. if we split 12 into 10, we get 1.2 feet of length each time
first i would need to factor out all solutions that factor number of points with an error of maybe +/- 2 and then find the permutation that has the best scale of small width/big width and same with height if you follow my thoughts here
if i get a rectangle with dimensions 789982x687422 and need to fit 320074 dots
that is why i either need to generalize of find solutions in some kind of other way
another idea was to create a physics simulation where each dot and border have a same charge(like electron or proton) and they repel eachother to perfectly spaced distances, but this would be too extreme
there must be a generalized mathematical way for it
then you can do it as 2 rows of 160,037 dots starting from a space 4.93 for each legnth and 343711 in width
ok so heres what i did if you want general:
- decide your spacing pattern (2 by 160,037)
- divide the number of rows you want by the length (687422 by 2)
- divide the number of columns you want (789... by 160...)
- take both the dimensions in step 2 and 3 and divide by 2 to find the center of each rectangle
- place dot
can i use slant height with a hexagonal pyramid's volume
i forgot
i thought only way was base1/3height
Will try to @paper mauve
@broken mantle https://www.madeofsundays.com/blogs/news/how-to-install-a-wall-decal-pattern take a look at this and hopefully this will help you conceptualize it a little more
Discover the best tips on how to space wall patterns and get that patterned dot wall to look just like the ones you see in Pinterest.
@torpid torrent wym slant height?
like the total height?
itll come from the area of the base
so i think youre overthinking dis
volume of a basic shape is lxhxw
lxh=base
basexh=volume
find the area of the base first
then you can multiply by height
but be aware that its a pyramid so its 1/3xbasexheight
but theres no radicals
Okay so, supposing that ABC is an obtusangle triangle; calculate the area of EBC, knowing that the area of ABC is 24
What i got
We know that
A(ABC) = A(EBC)+A(ECX)+A(AEX)
And
A(AEX) = (aH)/2
A(ECX) = (ah)/2
And by the theorem of tales:
h/H = B / (B+a)
Some simplification:
a = H/2h
We substitute in the initial equation, the areas with their values/equations:
24 = 6h/H + H²/4h + H/4
Remove denominator:
24Hh + H²h + H²h - 94Hh = 0
-70Hh + 2H²h = 0
Hh(-70+2h) = 0
And im stuck here
And please note that my drawing is far from being on scale, the first one is on scale
I’m working on finding the volume shell of an rectangular and wonder if anyone can help check my work if they correct?
I dont understand your letter @lilac isle
And you gave little context, is that all you got? Not even a drawing?
How can I prove line segments EG and KJ are parallel?
Since there's no transversal lines, I can't say that there are alternate interior angles that are congruent.
nvm I see now that intersection can mean just lying on the other line
Hello. Can you please give me a good reference/textbook for studying solid mensuration/geometry? A book with lots of problem sets and exercises is preferable. I only have elementary knowledge on the volume of solids such as sphere, cone, cylinder, cube, and so on. Please @ me. Thanks! Have a good day.
How do I find the distance between two circles given only the circumference? Work my way back yo the radius, then find the difference in the radii?
#2
well, you know the circumfrence, of the first circle, so you can find the circumfrence of the second one too
using the original circumfrence, you can find the diameter of the first omne
then using the second circumfrence, find the second diameter
Then get the difference between the two
Or did I misinterpret the problem?
There is one rope allegedly "wrapped tightly around the equator." So I assume it is just the circumference of 132,000,000. Given the 6 feet of additional rope, second circumference would be 132,000,006, I suppose.
correct
But why would I need the diameter instead of the radius?
If I am trying to find the distance from one point on Earth to the rope.
Aight, thanks for the help. Was stumped on it for like, 20 mins.
knowing they radiate from the same point, subtracting the firsst from the second gives the difference
anytime
I also have a question: how do I go about this?
do you still need hlpe @plain pollen
yes please @eternal crag
cos2x-3sinx=4 I got that it doesn't have real solutions.
but the exercise says that it's supposed to have one
I wrote cos2x as 1-2sin^2x
you don't actually need any uhh substitution
and yes it doesn't have real solutions
cos(2x) is at most 1
-3sin(x) is at most 3
so the only chance that they'll sum up to 4 is that their peak happens at the same time
show that that is not possible and you're done
did you copy the question correctly?
yeah good point^
maybe in the solution they found a point with cos(2x) - 3*sin(x) = -4
@eternal crag sorry I was doing smth else, are you still here?
yes i am
shall we continue?
so i was saying,
you're given that y = -2, yeah?
i'm not going to reply you incase you come back again, this is the second time you ghosted me
I got another problem
sin4x=2/(n-1)
It says how many n natural numbers are there so that the equation doesnt have real solutions
i thought first one would be 1
2 and 0
@urban oxide sin^4(x) or sin(4x)??
sin(4x)
is creating a picture through equations in desmos fun
@olive plover fun is subjective. Some people are capable of doing it and have fun doing it, others not so much. Personally I have no clue how to work desmos
how do i find the fundamental frequency of the superposition of two sinusoids
and btw they arent harmonics
Challenge: give me an elegant solution to this problem
@slate phoenix Though it's just physically, you can use Thales Theorem :)
"R" the radius of the circle ?
I think so
@mellow vector how would you use thales's theorem? It doesn't seem quite obvious
With the right angles
I am not that knowledgeable, just happened to watch a video about that and thought it's perfect timing.
You can find the center of a circle with it,
But only physically.
hey red
Hello
is there someone on here that can help me with trig
@vagrant owl just ask
Oh, I want to
Same
@slate phoenix nice problem, where’d you find it?
I got a solution just involving angle chasing
is -1/(x+2)+5 a rational function
yeah
can someone help me? im stuck
wdym?
It's made of an equilateral triangle and an isosceles triangle right
ye
Oh uh, one of the angles of the isosceles triangle and one of the angles of the equilateral triangle makes up angle ABC right?
Ya, just find those two angles and add them up
so the angles in the equilateral is 60
Yes
You need to prove that angle ABC is 90 degrees
Uh... ok, what is the sum of the angles that make up a straight line
180
So what the large angle of the isosceles triangle
uh 120?
60
No
90
That's it
Np
but like when you meant one of the smaller angles do u mean of the eqailateral one or isoceles
The isosceles
why would 60+30 prove that
Wait, i'll show you
okay
oh do u mean like one the angles of the equilateral and one angle from the isosceles add up to 90?
yes
So what are the two angles that make up ABC
30° and 60°, you add the two together, you make 90°. Therefore, angle ABC=90°
oh ye
That's it
okay thanks
i get it
Ok ok good
i have another problem that im not sure how to do it would you mind helping me again? sorry lol
180
What are the angles that are on the line
EOD, DOC,C0B and BOA
wdym?
let angle COD=x and let angle AOB=y use this substitution
y,y,x,x?
ohhh
y+x=90
okay
You understand?
Ya, geometry is to use your eyes and the laws of geometry
So can see everything from one image
Just need to help you look in the right direction
Np
can anyone tell me how to find the intercepted arc without knowing the intercepted angle
@quick hull what do you know
wait huh? i haven’t learned this yet, we were supposed to learn it this quarter but can’t go to school
um ... arccos(3/4)/5 + n(2pi/5)?
wow
Wth
Wait
Nvm
Yeah
Is this is a true thing?
Then it would be $beta=90-frac{alfa}{2}$
can some help me out
@quick hull ill try but can you try mine
inscribed*
Okau
Wait
Omg i did it
I was expecting it to be harder xD
@quick hull
Lemme take a pic
Do you know why or i explain?
@quick hull
Emmm
Hello?
that is true. the proposition doesn't make sense however because it implies that alpha is negative
because theta is clearly greater than 90
@upper karma yeah sorry i figures it out but you were right
can someone help me out?
shit that’s blurry
@rich wolf dude i’m not on discord on my macbook
what does subtends mean
@humble pebble i got it thanks though
i have it
just easier to use on my phone
coo
sorry for the fucked up drawing
i need to find the dot's geometrical space
geometric*
i did many things and i am getting stuck
e and c and have the same y value
so i tried e(Ex,Ey)
and then c(0,Ey)
then the dot in the middle is p
so p(x,y)
and tried to get to
Ex= and Ey=
so i could put in ab line
@frail vigil find the length of ab
Yes
Ex/8=ae/10
i still have to use pitagoras on ae
but it's not the way
i need to do
Ex= Ey=
through the middle dot
and then put it in ab lline
doing ae= is 10-sqrt(6-Ey)^@+Ex^2)
not @ , 2
Prove oce = ace
i cannot prove it
that's the point of geomatric place
you are talking about something else
Hey ! I have this problem and I can't resolve it, their is some highest common factor in it :
B is a box in the shape of a straight paving stone of height L, with a square base on side l, where l and L are
non-zero natural numbers such as l < L.
We want to fill box B with identical cubes where the edge a is a non-zero integer.
(the cubes must completely fill box B without leaving any empty space).
In this question, the volume of box B is v = 77,760.
We know that, to fill box B, the largest possible value for a is 12.
Show that there are exactly two possible boxes B, the dimensions of which will be given.
So I started doing things but i don't know if it will be useful : the volume of the cube is 12^3 = 1 728 so we in B we have 77 760 / 1 728 = 45 cubes and.... i'm blocked, help !
anybody reccomend any websites?
for trig help/review?
I failed my 'intro to trig' test so i wanted to take this covid break as some time to learn everything properly
@ me if you can help :)
khanacademy does all of this
and he goes to pretty advanced topics. just go through his entire course, you should learn a lot
Hey can someone please help me with finding the volume of a complex shape
Sure
Gimme a question and I’ll help you through it.
(Assuming you understand the properties of imaginary and complex numbers, this should be pretty simple.)
what is it called when you find the greatest line segment in a group of lines
you do this by taking the point at the end of the line segment
and its slope
m(y) + x
not sure what this is called tho?
@everyone can someone help me solve this
@prime ledge the diagonals of a parallelogram intersect at their midpoints
ohh
if thats not enough lmk but give it a shot
Can anyone help me with my geometry transformations homework?
shoot
where are you stuck
For starters, Did I do number 1 right?
right off the bat it says to show coordinates for all transformations
so im guessing no
oh i didnt see that
the answer looks right to me though
ok
hi i got a task for my homework can someone help me
its to construct a triangl with b+c the angel in a and the height from c
im bad ik
Yeaj ..there are tons of people to help u here
feel free to just post the question, no need to ask if u can be helped
B+C=(BB+BC)/B
by knowing that any tangent line to a circle is perpendicular to the radius drawn to the point of tangency
Thanks
You can use sin(51) = DE / 18
with this new e-learning i'm going to be super active..
,w calculate sin 22
guess so @tiny halo
do you know what "geometric mean" means
No
For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than search it for themselves.
Can anyone help me solve through this?
I think the Sin's are
9/25
3/5
I am not sure however how to solve the tan functions for these kinda of problems.
what's sin(x + y)?
sin(x)cos(y)+sin(x)cos(y)

wait do I just add 9/25 and 3/5?
no
it was confusing when they gave me a sin now it's got 2 cos's
... wait where do you even get 9/25 from
but no sin(s+t) ≠ sin(s) + sin(t)
and you also didn't answer pestamist's question correctly
9/25 is from sin^2=1-(-64/289)^2
you're being incredibly sloppy
sin(x)cos(y)-sin(x)cos(y)
is the corrected six(x+y) then?
What happened to the y's?
when asked what sin(x+y) is, you answered
sin(x)cos(x)+sin(x)cos(x)
do you not see the issue in your answer
no
It's not obvious
that's no excuse
it's not obvious to anyone here whether you really meant y - and where you meant y and not x - or you actually didn't know until it was pointed out to you
and in any case, the numbers you blurted out (9/25 and 3/5) are not even the correct values for sin(s) or sin(t).
im glad we got that out of the way
so it would REALLY HELP if you showed your work
so that i could tell you exactly where you messed up
(of course, that's only possible if your work is clear and comprehensible)
I will ask someone else for the time being
@ashen karma nearest tenth != nearest ten
Can you explain to me what I have to do
https://www.wikihow.com/Find-the-Magnitude-of-a-Vector
@tiny halo
Then just round to the nearest 10 for your answer
A vector is a geometrical object that has both a magnitude and direction.https://www.mathsisfun.com/algebra/vectors.html The magnitude is the length of the vector, while the direction is the way it's pointing. Calculating the magnitude of...
Ummmm I’m kind of confused with this project I was assigned
It’s so weird
So, we’re supposed to use our prior knowledge of ratios, proportions and similar triangles to solve these problems. We’re supposed to use real world objects and not measure them and some how put them into a proportion to figure out the length. I’m really confused. How and the world could I get the height of a tree that I didn’t measure using my shadow and the trees shadow?
Can someone help me with a question
Sorry
lol
I was watching hype house drama hahaha
bruh
use cosine
3sqrt3cos60 = x
wait no im stupid
cos 60 = 3sqrt3 / x
cause cos(angle) = adjacent / hypotenuse
OR U CAN USE THE 30-60-90 thing
Ok ill try that
<@&286206848099549185>
What do you want
The geometric mean of $n$ numbers is calculated by the $n$th root of their product
AMD:
@upper karma draw a horizontal line that goes through B
And call the point where the line intersects line DA point P
Nice
Hi, I have a few questions can someone help me
just ask
how do I do that?
can you subtract something from both sides?
Wait what do you mean by that
$64^{5x+2}=8$
AMD:
Or $64^{5x}+2=8$
AMD:
wait huh
Take log base 64 of both sides
wait why is that given 3 sides of a triangle, the law of cosines gives you an answer in terms of degrees
is it possible to manipulate the law a little bit so it gives it in radians
(I know you can covert but I'm trying to understand it better)
You would need to change your calculator
the answer can be in radians or degrees
it doesn't matter, like you said you can convert
so I would just change my calculator mode to radians?
@onyx cloud can you help with my problem the other dude dipped
it was the top one he posted by the way
so
start with this
2^x = 4
can you do log base 2 of both sides?
would you know what that looks like?
Idk what that would look like
(x = logbase2(4))
yup
so what is my while first equation then?
?
oh whoops
so what am I left with after doing logbase2 of both sides
is it what @unborn jacinth said?
yeah wait which question are you working on?
I see the one with 5x+2
as the exponent
$64^{5x+2}=8$
nolan:
ok
yes
then 5x + 2 = logbase64(8)
log 8 would work too right
yes
k
but
yeah bc otherwise you'll have log on both sides still
$5x+2=\log_{64}(8)$
AMD:
so thats 1/2 correct?
yes
Dude dont do the problem for him
oops
lol its fine
How's he supposed to learn how to do it himself if you just solve it for him
can u just expain how u simplified the logbase64(8)
Of course
yes
ohhh i see
you can alternatively do a change of base
(srry for bad image quality)
but I think that should help you understand the different ways of writing a log function
$\log_{64}(8)=\frac{\log_8(8)}{\log_8(64)}=\frac12$
RokettoJanpu:
That is smart
that is another way to do it that uses change of base
Oh wth
@novel yacht does that help?
you can alternatively do a change of base
Yee i got it now
4^-6=x^3
also if you logged 8 instead of 64 on both sides it's good to know log k^x = x log k
for future reference
$$\log_b(a)\equiv\tfrac{\log_c(a)}{\log_c(b)}$$
for any values of $a,b,c$ that make sense to plug in
RokettoJanpu:
1/6
is it?
wait huh
x^-n = 1/x^n
a^-b
x^1/n = nth root x
is 1/(a^b)
I am in grade 10
yes did you learn it?
Not whatever u guys just said
I had it last semester I'm sure it's in the Canadian curriculum
Im not canadian idk
o
ok restart
it's exponent rules
isnt a -6 exponent 1/6?
nono
what is it
search up exponent rules that will help you and I also told you above
FishraiderToday at 8:08 PM
x^-n = 1/x^n
MeHereToday at 8:08 PM
a^-b
FishraiderToday at 8:08 PM
x^1/n = nth root x
would it be 1/x^6?
that's right
trying to solve for x yeah
and use the rule log k^n = nlogk
ur gonna have to show me that idk what that is
i missed over a week of school before coronacation so thats probably why I didnt learn this
You should try some easier problems first or look over the log rules
and you don't learn logarithmetics in grade 10
we were learnig parabolas and completing the square
Oh we did that a while ago
Unless you are from china or india or something
lol nah america
@upper karma angle addition formula?
