#geometry-and-trigonometry
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how so?
<11 and <12 formed 180 deg
Is it because it forms a line?
that's what i thought
i saw a picture of the same question lol
a is adjacent
it disregard the angle at the left so it doesnt make a 180deg
For vertical angles, since they have to have completely opposites rays,
DGE and AGB would not be vertical pairs, correct?
yeah, not vertical
idk
what theyre called tbh
thats why i posted it herre
i wanted to look it up
but idk what its called
They are the central angles of that arc?
Arc measure
I think
you need to relate them with other angles
angles that are between lines already in the diagram
any ideas?
idk I wasn't in class the other day so i don't know
i wanted to look iot up
but idk what its even called
lol
also need help with this if anyone knows
what's 17x supposed to represent?
i still don't really see it
no
i see that 75 is the same on the opposite side
of the polygon
but thats about it
its 105?
what's 105?
the bottom arc
and what's the reasoningvfor that?
because...?
because the two angles add to 180 on the polygon
the whole interior thing idk my math vocab sucks
why do they add up to 180?
does that apply to any polygon?
this is neither of those
That's not a rectangle but the reasoning seems right
yes its not
LOL
fuck me man
idk how to explai nthis tbh
i learned this a while back
you are looking for a very specific term to describe this type of quadrilateral
C-
It's cyclic if I remember
well for this question, you can find it without knowing the name
True
yeah the answer is x=15
i just saw it
thx for the help
how do i solve this one? I thought it was 7x + 3x = 80 because 40 is half of 80 then i can do 360-120 for CD but i think its wrong.
7x/2 - 3x/2 = 40 I believe
what do i do to find the arc of CD though ?
construct EA, ED and EC
1sec,
is just did 7x(1/2) - 3x(1/2) = 40
and found x = 20
then did 7x(20) + 3x(20) + DC = 360
It's good
how would i write an expression for this ?
CD = 360 - 10x?
is wz and zy equal?
Not necessarily
how do i find what wx and zy is?
Wz + zy = 200
Wx + xy = 160
You don't need to find values for them, they don't have fixed values
what do i do with the info of the 200 and 160 split between the two large arcs?
Take the difference, divide by 2
P = 1/2(wz-xy)
Zy = wx
When you take the difference, the zy and wx cancel, and you get wz-xy=40
OK
i see
oh
i see it now
thanks bro
the two arcs are the same so we get the difference of xy and wz
Yeah
Yo
What
Can some one check my puthroym theorem
Ok I'll try
Seems good
np
You want to solve for x?
You can notice that these are similar quadrilaterals, which means that ratio of corresponding sides are equal
???
it's not similar if just the angles are the same
@terse sage
You can translate a side up and down keeping it parallel
and the angles will be preserved
so are tarski axioms better than hilbert or?
and A is congruent to L in that pic? and M with B etc?
Does somebody know a good YouTube video or thing that can explain more about Trig functions. Like I'm in calc rn, but I dont think I understand what sin or tan or etc. Is, as good as I should. I especially don't understand how Trig graphs (like graphing sin) work
@bright quarry https://www.khanacademy.org/math/trigonometry/trigonometry-right-triangles/intro-to-the-trig-ratios/a/opposite-adjacent-hypotenuse
once you finish reading the intro, head over to the video lectures and the practice question sections
can you write out the cosine rule
ok great
well
$y^2 = (3\sqrt{2})^2 + 3^2 - 2 \cdot 3\sqrt{2} \cdot 3 \cdot \cos(45^{\circ})$
Ann:
Yep I got that, I'd send a pic of my notes but it got messy with frustration
So 15-(18root2)cos 45
Ann:
Cos 45=1/root2
so $18 \sqrt{2} \cdot \cos(45^\circ) = , ?$
Ann:
18/root2 x 1/root2
Roots cancel out
=18
you made an even number of mistakes that cancelled each other out and gave you the right answer in that last message
but ok
my other point, which i am not going to repeat, still stands.
Hmm i think I did better here.
,rotate
ok yes good
sin(-3π/4), cos(-3π/4)...
Just fill the boxes with the exact answers
@nimble cosmos
how come sin((-3pi)/4) is negative even though it's in the second quadrant
im using the CAST rule and it says sine will be positive in the second quadrant
-3π/4 is not in the second quadrant.
-3π/4 is in the third quadrant.
@nimble cosmos
Help pls
what have you tried and where are you stuck
how did you get 4/3 in the first place?
yes
and how did it being greater than 1 not set off a red flag in your mind?
@civic lake i wasn't asking you, nor is "yes" an appropriate response to my question.
oh so if my fraction is greater than up, it's a red flag?
cause it can only be from [0,1]?
no
like
cos(x) and sin(x)
are always between -1 and 1
so if your value for the cos or the sin of something ISN'T between -1 and 1
ooh
then that's a problem
i see
i got 4/3 cause it got my SOH CAH TOA mixed up
i was doing cos = adjacent/opposite i think
yeah
if sin and cos are from 0-1
then what is tan
no
"from 0-1" is not only incorrect, it's also horrible wording
ok
but the range of tan is the whole number line
any number can be the tan of an angle
i see
is there a way to get the magnitude, and the direction of the resultant force, in newtons and degrees respectively? I think I can use cosine rule somehow here, but I'm not entirely sure.
The problem is that I don't exactly know Vector 1's and Vector 2's direction
Use trig on the triangles probably
@steep temple You can use the cosine rule
what
what do you think you’re doing
do you think you’re smart?
I literally mention that in my question
You’re not helping anybody here, buddy
Chill, do you still need help, I can help further
Cool
yeah
No need to be rude, just saying
I’m sorry if I said something wrong
You can also do it by vector components
Like, consider Vector 2 to be the x axis, break Vector 1 into components, add up the components, then use pythagoras for magnitude and tan for angle
The-Elite:
@steep temple damn, change your attitude bro. You asked a question and haddeji tried answering it.
@nimble cosmos 👍🏽
👍🏽
He tried answering it 2 hours later
That’s like trying to put a bandage on someone who died while attempting to put a bandage on them self
so i have this
and it told me to express it in terms of sinx and cosx
$\sin \left(2\pi \right)\cos \left(x\right)+\cos \left(2\pi \right)\sin \left(x\right)$
The-Elite:
so i did this
but it also told me to simplify my answer
so i was wondering if this was simplified
not really sure
not yet
$\sin(2\pi) = ?$
@nimble cosmos do you know that sin 2pi is?
RokettoJanpu:
in factdo you know that sin is a _________ function?
inb4 he says sin is a trig function
lol
what's sin of 100 pi?
$\cos(2\pi)=?$
RokettoJanpu:
1

but then i would have no cos left
and the question says to express it as sinx and cosx
$\sin \left(2\pi \right)\cos \left(x\right)+\sin \left(x\right)$
The-Elite:
have you submitted your answer with just sin?
np
i have doubts on this Question
so what i did
was
found $sin\left(\frac{\pi }{4}\right)=\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}$
The-Elite:
The-Elite:
The-Elite:
i'm having trouble finding cos(-2pi/3)
Which quadrant?
Q3
Very nice. It's a /3, so is it closer to the x axis, or y axis?
y
Okay! Something that is close to the y axis has a cos of ±1/2. But, q3 has a negative cos, so it's -1/2
yeah
wait you're talking about the x value that is -1/2 right
im trying to use the unit circle
but like i keep getting something else lol
not -1/2
cos(theta) does give you the x coord if you walk an angle of theta around the unit circle
what is the ratio for cos
adjacent over hyp sory
you can still draw a triangle inside the unit circle and use trig side ratios if that helps
how?
it's (cos, sin) not (sin, cos)
cos(theta) does give you the x coord if you walk an angle of theta around the unit circle
sure
not the right y value
so like when you look at the circle, it's like that right?
sorry i meant -sqrt(3)/2 is y value?
-sqrt(3)/2 is y value
yes
1 sec, why did you mark the angle at the top?
cause that's theta
no
theta is the angle made with the x-axis
are you looking at the point on the unit circle?
put your pencil on the point on the circle and draw upward til you hit the x axis
you're marking the angle made with the y-axis
that will be one of your legs
for the hypotenuse, put your pencil on the point on the circle and draw a line connecting it to the origin
now you have the right (pun intended) triangle
that is
oh i get it
and the yellow section you highlighted is clearly not the angle made with the x-axis
👍🏽
oh ok
so since i was drawing the wrong triangle
i was getting the wrong ratio
lol
how do i know where to draw the triangle?
so i just take the point
and connect it to the origin
and thats my hypotenuse?
yes
i see
(for unit circle it will always have length 1)
and then draw a vertical line to the x-axis
ok
...context?
then post the problem
i mean, no, the altitude doesn't bisect the angle at the vertex it's from. not generally.
the bisector does.
sec
Ill send pic
I'm trying to find the angle which is adjacent to the 70 degrees
epelta:
are you given any info about triangle ABD?
yes
I know measure of AC
and I know measure of AB
what do you mean by top left?
@unkempt jay ?
I hate you
ok fine

no idea on that
you seem to be omitting some key piece of information
I've been trying to find $\phi$ for last
epelta:
as given, there isn't enough information to find that angle
uh
AC measure is given
epelta:
send
it's a physics question
after reading I concluded either their method is wrong or it is implicitly meant that
wind exerts same speed in vertical and horizontal directions
if so then angle of $\phi$ is 45 degree
epelta:
it's just vector subtraction
ok 45-38 = 7
with the question you gave me
if you can't deduce angle
there isnt enough info
BRO
what
I told that there was measure before
yeah, should have given the explicit values too
ok fine, let's just solve the problem
@unkempt jay alright goodnight buddy
thanks epe
so here, just decompose your 38 into a horizontal and vertical component
that makes it easier to do vector subtraction
um
they say the vertical component is equal to the total horizontal component
rip
😦
Abrar:
and in 3.86 they meant $v_{wx} = -13$
Abrar:
the real value of $v_{wy}$ is given in 3.88
Abrar:
@unborn bane How do u know
The cosine rule is c^2 = a^ + b^2 - 2abcos(C)
so why the hell is this post
(https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-resultant-of-2-forces-each-equal-to-P-making-an-angle-x)
using c^2 = a^ + b^2 + 2abcos(C)
Imagine a polygon with n-sides with each interior angles incrementing by 5 degree each time, from 120 degree until it becomes an enclosed polygon. How many sides does this polygon have? Answer: 9 sides.
I found the answer to this question, but I'm still not satisfied with the fact that I have to add the exterior angles with slowly until it reaches 360. I want to know if there is another quick way to solve it. I tried using the Arithmetic Sequence, but it doesn't work if I don't find the last value or the n-sides (which is pointless).
I know that the sum of the exterior angles equals 360, but I can't derive the number of sides given the 1st value and the sum.
you have literally 10 question channels to ask this in
they seem occupied, so I don't want to interrupt them.
hey guys, i have a question, i need to find the area of the shaded equilateral triangles, all 3 inside the trapezoid are equilateral
so i got 16, while others are arguing it is 8 sqrt 3, what is the correct answer?
<@&286206848099549185> insanely important question, sorry for the ping
do you people realise help channels exist
You ping 15 minutes after posting the question.
"insanely important"
Also each side of the triangle should be 4.
🤦
!15min
!15m
!min15
I don't think speyr working.
dambn it
The cmd is 15m lol.
!15m
there
I got it
yeah my bad thats why i broke the rule oof "insanely important", its for the greater good
the area of one of the equilateral is 4 sqrt 3?
so it's 8 sqrt 3 because area of an equilateral is sqrt 3/4 (a^2)
a is the side of the equilateral
ok so you solved for height?
what is wrong with my method, combining both triangles into a square?
the altitude isn't 4
I think you are mistaking to base times height
yeah but the base is?
An equilateral triangle area can be found by base x height or sqrt 3/4 x b^2
the base is 4
since all equilateral triangle are equilateral
i dont understand what i did wrong in my method
the altitude isn't 4
^
the base is though
base is 4 thats fine
i combined the two triangles into a square
ok can you distinguish a slant of a triangle is not the height of the triangle?
it doesnt form a square but a rectangle
you can find the height using the Pythagorean
the altitude isn't 4
shit i thought they formed squares
you are basically using a base and diagonal to find the area.
what is this property called?
assuming those lines are supposed to be straight, vertical angles are equal
of course theyre meant to be straight stop being sarcastic
lol
@lone scaffold https://www.mathsisfun.com/geometry/vertical-angles.html
@steep temple thank you
they are called vertical angles
Ur late.
@upper karma Here.
$sin(x) + cos(x) = \frac{O}{H} + \frac{A}{H} = \frac{1}{2}$
samanthaCS:
Also, $O^2 + A^2 = H^2$
samanthaCS:
And you want to find $\frac{OA}{H^2}$
samanthaCS:
uh excuse me
I need a bit of help with 16
How do I find EOF if it’s not giving me any numbers?
oh wait I’m stupid
it’s 45 since it’s a right angle lmao
nvm
lmao
a diameter of a circle joins the points C (-7, -4) and D(-1, 10). What are the coordinates of the centre of the circle?
I need step by step for this question please
Please help me out
A parallelogram has vertices A(-2, -2), B(3, 3), C(7, 4), and D(2, -1). verify that the diagonals bisect each other.
I need help with bot of these step by step as well
I don't remember formulas, but use the midpoint formula to solve the first one
The center of the circle is the center of the diameter
OKok got that
But how do I do for a circle
I know this formula already
but how do I find centre of circle?
with those coordinates
The center of a circle is the center of the diameter of the circle
You use the midpoint formula
OHhh
Use those two points and plug them in
???
theres no need right
No need for what
Like forget the circle
Its the same as a line?
@regal void how bout the parallelogram?
A parallelogram has vertices A(-2, -2), B(3, 3), C(7, 4), and D(2, -1). verify that the diagonals bisect each other.
I need help with this one as well
No the circle is important, just understand that all points on a circle are equidistant from the center. If you were to draw a line between opposite points of the circle, it would surely go through the center of the circle.
Since the two points are of equal distance from the center, then we can conclude that the center divides the segment (the diameter) into two equal diameters (radii). Therefore the center must be the midpoint of the diameter
you just need to find the midpoint of both diagonals @upper karma
^^
how is $1/tan(tan^-1(2)) = 1/2$
M3RCURY:
^^
@regal void
Yeah
how do i do that I am so confused on this midpoint
for parrallelogram
For the circle its just the formula
So nothing I do
just using the formula
@upper karma just take opposite vertices and find the midpoint
But for the parrallelogram how do I find the midpoint
ohhh
@sly marlin ok what after
you are done
then how do I "verify'
then tell me if they are different
find midpoints?
If midpoints are equal then I think they bisect each other
😄
what do you think?
I think it does
Try visualizing it if it help
$\frac{1}{\tan(\tan^{-1}(2))} = \frac{1}{2}$
Just say I a,?
Ann:
@rapid nexus typed that up properly
are you sure you took opposite points?
what are your pairs of opposite points?
and both of them gave you (2.5, 1) as the midpoint?
yes
Wait, then why did you say it was different?
OH,
I meant they were the same
Therefore, they bisect
So yes I was right 😄
Last question of the day: The endpoints of AB are A(10, 16) and B(-6, -12). Find the coordinates of the points that divide the segment into four equal parts.
Find midpoint of AB first
ok
Call the midpoint C
or m
It doesn't matter
yes]
????
What's wrong?
That is correct
No you aren't
No?!
We have to find the points that divide AB into 4 equal line segments
So far we only divided it into two equal line segments
1-->1/2 +1/2
Find the midpoints of AM and MB
To make a total of four segments
now I find midpoint of midpoint
Yes
so howmany should I have
AM and AB
I meant MB
So you should have AB midpoint, AM midpoint, and MB midpoint
AM midpoint is just M
So you need to find two more
so I fount the mid point of ab
now I find the midpoint of A(and midpoint) and B(and midpoint)
@regal void RIght?
Yup
Yw
ok
I have to eat dinner
You got it right
$3sin^{2}2θ + 8cos2θ = 0 for 0° ≤ θ ≤ 180°$
M3RCURY:
i got this question in a past paper and have no idea what to do after the first step
and i have to solve it
my first step was
$3s^{2} + 8c = 0$
M3RCURY:
your first step was to write an equation in 1 variable as an equation in 2?
s is short for sin and c is short for cos
no
consider rewriting sin^2(2θ) as 1 - cos^2(2θ)
also
when writing in latex, use \sin and \cos
no because (-1)/(-2) = 1/2 != -1/2
why is sin^2(2θ) the same as 1 - cos^2(2θ)
... sin^2(x)+cos^2(x)=1
oh yes
trigonomic equations, do you always have to get rid of the sin ?
Help R formula question part 1 2 3
Please dm me
How make 0<x+1<2pi Become 1<2x+1<4pi+1
JY1853:
thank you
Guys, how am I supposed to solve this ?
sin(2x)=2sinxcosx
let $x = \arcsin(5/7)$, then by definition $x \in [0, \pi/2]$ and $\sin(x) = \frac57$. you're asked for the value of $\sin(2x)$, which can be rewritten as $2\sin(x)\cos(x)$ as lionel just wrote
Ann:
hey can someone help me with simple trigonometry
I never learned it but I just need it for one thing im doing rn
Guys I know how to solve Sin(5pi/6) for example... But I don't understand what is Sin(1/3) ... is Sin(1/3) a thing ?
sin(1/3) is absolutely a thing but you don't... care about that
it's sin(x) = 1/3, not x = sin(1/3)
So I'm just supposed to put everything in its place without actually solving the problem yeah?
oh
Aw Thanks A lot.. I didn't notice..
you aren't supposed to find x and y themselves
Yeah Thanks a lot..
I just want to make sure I'm on the right path.. I figured out that Cos(x) = 1/3 ,right?
no, cos(x) is not 1/3 in that problem
why does cotx go from left to right?
like its up then goes down
from left to right
...are you asking why cot(x) is a decreasing function of x
yeah
bc tan is increasing, and cot is its reciprocal?
not sure what kind of explanation you're after
The problem is: A and B are Alternate exterior angles formed by two parrarel lines cut by a transversal. Find mB if mA=38 degrees
How can I do that?
make a picture.
do you know what two parallel lines cut by a transversal look like
less clutter but yes
So I draw that?
too cluttered
...
Can someone explain to me how 6-3/15 = 1/5 ?
(6-3)/15=3/15
From here, you can split 15 into 3x5, so
3/15=3/5x3. You can cancel the 3's, and you're left with 1/5
Very similar to how 2/4=1/2
you can divide both the numerator and denominator by 2
So I can't simplify this any further, right?
You can simplify that
This is wrong...
you didn't divide the 3
Oh got it now, Thank you guys 🖤 ❤
yes
so im learning about the half angle formula
and i was wondering why the 2 beside the theta disappeared in the bottom one
Let's say x is theta, and you have "cos(x/2) = √[1+cos(2x)]/2". If you input x/2, what is your output? @nimble cosmos
oh
i see
why did they do theta/2 tho?
why didn't they just square root both sides to get rid of the ^2
There should be theta/2 in the first equation, not only theta.
You're welcome.
why do we put the +- beside the square root for this?
Because it can result in both positive and negative results.
$x^2=4 \ x=\pm\sqrt4=\pm2$
leviosa:
true
i don’t think so
Find the set of values of k for which the line y=2x - k meets the curve y = x^2 + kx - 2 at two distinct points.
I can't wrap my head around this one
there are at nearly all times people awake enough to help you. this is a pretty big server.
what do you need help with?
Hih i suppose so since you're responding to me lol
I just need a lil help with Geometry stuff
Like definitions of stuff i mean
Imma send a photo
yes, please do that
ohhh fucking yikes those things
no, this entire exercise is just... really bad by design
but then idk how to make it better
and like
this just reeks of two column proofs
which are their own can of worms
just... yuck. sorry, i cannot help with this.
?
I'm seeing like random things.
Need help with this I'm struggling to get a right answer... I think I know the way to get the answer it's just not correct.
Find the line k through T(0,0,3) that is perpendicular to the plane P: 5x-2y+13z=-14. Find coordinates for the point U where the line k intersects the plane P.
Still stuck on this, this is my working so far:
The direction vector for the normal to P can be found by looking at the coefficients of P; (5,-2,13). We let U = (a,b,c), a point on P. UT = T-U = (0,0,3)-(a,b,c) = (-a,-b,3-c). Also, UT = t(5,-2,13) where t can be any real numbered parameter. Therefore (-a,-b,3-c)=t(5,-2,13). Hence, a=-5t, b=2t, c=3-13t. Using b=2t, t=b/2. Soooo... a=-5(b/2), b=b, c=3-13(b/2). Since U is a point on P it must satisfy P therefore 5(-5b/2)-2b-13(13b/2)+3=-14. Solving for b, b=17/99. Plugging b into a,b,c in terms of b the answer I get is incorrect. I have no idea why im pulling my hair out rn eek.
@reef flower remember, all you need to construct line k is a single point and a direction vector
you found P's normal vector and you know k must pass through T. how can you construct k using just that?
@crude hornet pretty late but if you still need the help:
Since the two curves intersect, 2x - k = x^2 + kx - 2.
Rearrange to get a quadratic in x
When does a quadratic equation have two distinct roots?
How come the function Cot(x) is an odd function ??
cot(x) = cos(x)/sin(x). check whether those functions are odd/even
Ok, But isn't right that just by looking at cot(x)s graph you'd say that it's neither odd nor even ?
no, it's odd just fine
rotate it half a full turn around (0,0) and it lands right back on itself
odd/even is odd as well
1/odd is odd.
Uhhhh I kind of need help
Usually I don’t have a problem with these
But since there’s more than one variable it’s kind of throwing me off
this is a combination of using vertical angles as well as supplementary angles
So would I do it like
9x + 20 + 7x = 180 to find x?
And then divide x by 2 to find y?
or no?
you can find x and y like that yea, as well as z
let’s see
just try it out, i can check your work if need be
Is that correct?
Also, is there an easier way of finding z then just guessing what would fit in with the variable?
Like, for the next question it’s not as easy since it’s harder to guess what would fit in the variable
sorry, i didn't see the messages
look at the value of z again
the vertical angle shows that 5z = 110
so z would not be 110
@wind heart
oh
I got 79
For x
But I’m kind of confused on how to find y and z for the second question
oh wait 15*
((I think it’s 15))
