#geometry-and-trigonometry
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The smallest side
Just use the same order when you convert each side of the blah:blah = blah:blah to a fraction.
So either 8/(12.2+x)=x/8 or (12.2+x)/8=8/x. These both work (and they'll give you the same equation after you clear denominators).
Ohhhh
Okay
So when I start with a 8 in the first ratio it's gotta be 8 in the denominator
In the second ratio
well it doesnt have to be
but if you do 8/x, you also have to do 12.2+x/8
Yeah
because you HAVE to do small/big:small/big, you can't do big/small: small/big
Ohh
(12.2+x)/8, not 12.2+x/8.
yeah
8/(12.2+x)=x/8
yes
This gives some weird equation π
so cross multiply
Yeah one second
wait its a quadratic
That looks right.
Okay one sec
xΒ²+12.2x-64=0
Do I use the -bΒ±β(bΒ²-4ac)
2
Here?
Wouldn't that give 2 results like normal?
because a side doesnt have a negative value
Yeahhh truee
Alright give me 3 min
Damn I think I did a calculation mistake?
148.84+256 no?
(12,2)Β²+4*64
that's the numerator?
Yes
Plus or minus -12.2 as well.
-12,2Β±β148.84(+)256
/2
Should I ask a quadratic calculator?
Okay the calculator did the same thing as me.
Positive value is 3.96.
Is that the answer?
-12,2+20.12=7.92
7.92/2=3.96
Hey I didn't even need a calculator lmao
Okayyyy it's correct!!
π
(Did you miss "round to the nearest tenth"?)
No it was like 3.960...
3.96 is correct
Okay let me see I did the other one so I can do this one too
Small/big=Small/big?
Except I'm not sure which one is which here π
x is the small one
First you need to decide which triangles you use similarity on.
Look for triangles in the diagram where you can write expressions for at least two of the sides.
Which triangles are you using?
Hmm
I'm so bad at this π CBD CBA?
Can you write expressions for at least two edges in each of those?
Can you write expressions for CB and CA?
I don't get what you mean exactly sorry can you give an example?
For example we can write an expression for the lenght of BA, namely x+7.4.
Ohhh
Let me see for this then
Well CA is 9.3
Not sure if we can derive CB from anything...
So perhaps it's best not to have CB in your plan.
(See this).
Yeah true.
Let me try again.
Would CAD work maybe?
It has 7.4 and 9.3.
CA=9.3
DA=7.4
What's the other triangle?
π€
CAD looks like a good candidate, yes. Now you'll need a second one too.
Okay
Can you give a hint
I'm thinking of uhh
CBA?
7.4+x and 9.3 BA and CA respectively.
Okay. So in CAD we know the hypotenuse (CA) and the long leg (DA). Which "roles" do we know in CBA?
Excellent, those are the same roles. So now you can start writing an equation from the similary of CAD and CBA.
CB is neither the hypotenuse nor the long leg.
Based on what we have to work with, the relevant similarity is [one hypotenuse]:[one long leg] = [other hypotenuse]:[other long leg].
Ohhh
(Though you might also write it as [one hypotenuse]:[other hypotenuse] = [one long leg]:[other long leg] -- that will end up being the same equation after you cross-multiply).
Yes, you used different orders in the two fractions.
I knew it
9.3/7.4+x=7.4/9.3?
I went with small/big
Idk french
Iβll translate it
Send an SS maybe I can help
DMs
Ok
Is this correct?
I will nuke myself if this gives another quadratic
Almost. It should be 9.3/(7.4+x) rather than 9.3/7.4+x.
I keep forgetting the damn parenthesis π
But otherwise, yes, it should just be algebra from here on.
Alright alright
I got this!!
4.28->4.3
HELL YEAAAA I DID IT BROOO
Damn it I tried doing the next question and I failed ahhh
I made a calculation error.
And now this next question has only 2 sides with a value πππ
I actually thought I could do this damn itttt
14/32 or whatever how in the hell?
I genuinely have no clue
If I can get this right I can do the bonus question
π
Can you help?
The same general procedure as before ought to work: First look for triangles where you can write expressions for two of the sides.
Each of the previous problems also just had 2 explicit lengths.
I think I see the vision??
I'm schizo I suppose
Which roles can you write in each of those?
(Beware that the word "role" here is my own invention; it's not standard).
Alright
Yeah.
Right.
Okay so far.
Indeed.
Yeah.
24!!!
It's correcttt
Alright man last one. Let me thinkkk!
Uh...where's the second triangle?
π
What do I do with this
There are actually two triangles here.
Yes.
I'd need to find the "roles" though to confirm.
Set a proportion
Short legs are 6 and 8 could I do a ratio with those?
Yeah.
I read it as being BD.
Yeah it's BD
It doesn't need to be a side itself, as long as you can express all the sides you need somehow.
Okay
So first of all
We got one ratio set!
6/8
And then next is
The second ratio.
6/8=8/(x+8)?
I feel like this is definitely false...I'm not sure how I'm gonna find the short hypotenuse.
I'll wait till u respond I'm curious what this will be.
Yeah, that doesn't look right. How did you get that second ratio?
Yeah I knew it would be false ahh
I just divided 8
The one I circled.
Which roles of which triangles are involved here?
Well this one is wrong so none
Yeah, but which roles of the triangles did you intend to use?
That's not the hypotenuse of anything in the diagram.
So what is the long leg of each of the two triangles?
I mean the big long leg is x+8 right?
Yes.
I'm really not sure what's the small long leg.
What do you think?
OHHHH WAIT
I HAVE ALZHEIMER'S
I already found it here LMFAOOO
Okay, so what do you get now?
6/8=?(/x+8) I'm still not sure about ?
Okay, so stepping back a bit, what is the small triangle?
ACB
.
So the edges of that triangle are AC, CB, and AB -- what are the roles of each?
Yes.
Yeah.
24 then
Yes.
HELL YEAHHHHHHHH
BEST WAY TO SPEND 3 HOURS AFTER MIDNIGHT
THANK YOU A LOT MANNNNN
Sorry for being so slow
πππ GOD BLESS YOU
euler to compute it into like trig identitie like e^I(A+B)
π
If i remember correctly, then if a,b,c are complex coordinates of verticies (A) (B) (C) and A,B,C are side lenghts then we can write down that G =1/3(a+b+c), I = ((aA+bB+cC)/(A+B+C)) and N = ((p - A)a +(p-B)b + (p - C)c)/p and try to solve the equation g - a = 2( i - g). It seems like not the right way, coz i just tried to rewrite some barycentric coordinates in complex form, but i think it should lead to smth like that and you can try to rewrite it in correct form and solve. Maybe in some moment you need to rewrite lengths in |a-b| complex form.
here we use the concept of parallel lines and also similarity in which ratio of corresponding sides are equal
uh right so i dont have the question cause its in dutch and on my laptop which i do not have right now but i think i remember the question relatively well
its asking for the coordinates of the intersection with the outline of the cone and line OF
those points are S and U
oh right yea coordinates for the points are O(0,0,0), A(40,0,0), C(0,30,0), D(0,0,40) and T(20,15,40)
thats all thats given i mighta missed some stuff but its relatively minor im pretty sure
so yea i dont understand how to calculate the coordinates of S and U. the chapters on vectors and they want to solve it like A + ABt = C stuff like that
ignore the βandβ im pretty sure thats supposed to be an e i dont know why it did that
i had the same question today
I think bro you made a mistake because x= 24
PAM is another similar right triangle
Okay
I need to find the other side of the rectangle
Similar to PAL?
they said they can see the 10 already
Yeah but what is PAM similar to?
It's 75 then
You said "PAM is another similar right triangle"

How is PM side 7.5?
What does that mean 
I just
Let me write it.
AL/PL=PA/PM
No?
But why?
Which triangle and which triangle are similar?
PAM PAL
This is probably a little off then.
By which similarity criterion?
Idk I'm genuinely asking, idk if you're wrong or right
Angle angle?
I see the 90β° angle (they're both right angle triangle(
but that other angle is equal?
Now idk about that part
bro just said "similar triangles!" without verifying if the triangles are actually similar πΏ
π
π
How do I verify?
β οΈ
What if they're not similar
Don't say that
No they need to be similar for me to actually do something
Giving up is easy, but it doesn't suit you
I was thinking you could do something like this
Apply pythagorean theorem twice and reduce it to solving a quadratic
idk maybe
β οΈ
I'm just conjecturing
Here PM = y and LM - 8 = x
Same thing?
Me when brainrot
Right lol
@spring lion see if that works, I haven't tried it yet
I'm reading Arc 4 
I didn't understand what that means
πΏ
skill issue 
yΒ²=36+xΒ²?
Yeah that's one equation
What's the other
That's just 10 bruh
The other one
Holy triangle blindness
what the helly π₯
Let me re check
ain't no way
"they hypotenuse"
8+x no?

Yeah
Typo
Then why is this wrong
ya

The x from PAM
Bro the first letter of the sentence on mobile is always caps lock
πΉ
Anyway you have two equations and two variables, you should be able to solve for x and y
isn't that wrong
Ohh
take a 20 minute break and then come back
Right
.
OHHH WAIT I GET IT
yΒ²+100=xΒ²+16x+64???
Is this finally right.
ποΈ
Yes
Now you have y^2 in terms of x^2
^^^
Ya
.
136+xΒ²=xΒ²+16x+64?
Oh yeah
Hmmm
lol I didn't see that
,calc 136 - 64
Result:
72
72-16x=0???
,calc 72/16
Result:
4.5
x = 4.5
Now you can use x to find y
you can use the bot
,calc is the command
Bro I just used it infront of you
Oh

,calc 4.5^2
Result:
20.25
,calc 56.25=y^2
The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Invalid left hand side of assignment operator = (char 6)
Rip
Now take the principal square root
How do I do it with bot
For taking square roots you need to do sqrt(45)
or something
400 years old?
Yeah
Oh
you then follow that by whatever you want to calculate
,calc sqrt(56.25)
Result:
7.5
7.5!!!!!!!

ALRIGHT
sorry man, I guess the triangles were similar after all
maybe it's angle angle similarity but that's for the triangles PAM and LUM?
y = 7.5 is correct though
No need to think it's rude, making mistakes is how people learn 
if you understand similar triangles though it's literally y/6 = 10/8
Yeah but I didn't understand where we got the triangle similarity
I did get a 7.5 really early on
But that was just memorizing not understanding
Which two triangles though?
PMA similar to LPA
Oh yeah PAL and LUM by angle-angle similarity

or that also works
By which similarity criterion? 
AA again
Right angle is one thing, but what's the other angle
angle LPA = 90 - angle MPA right?
so what's PLA = 90 - LPA equal to?
I don't see it β οΈ
@spring lion read this
Did you get it?
me when I waste your time for no reason getting to the same answer you got by a round about method

Lol nahhhh
Different ways of solving helps
But hey at least you learned a different way to solve it 
Yep
something that's 2000 times more time consuming
Now there's this
Umm

If I can't even do this on my own I'm cooked man...
So NW is x
OW is y
Would I be able to go with that?
...I don't think so.
same idea again, triangle NWO is similar to NOS
it doesn't matter as long as the sides of the other triangle are in the right order
Right
NW / NO is slightly easier to cross-multiply though
Okay
since you want to find NW
yep!
Alright
Let me write that
8x=36?
4.5?
Okay
x is 4.5.
NW=4.5
Now Pythagorean theorem on the triangle...NWO?
yeah!
I feel like this is false.
Is this right?
sorry I thought 6 was 9
south
6Β² + 4.5Β² = OWΒ²
Ohhh
OWΒ²
Mb
Let's see
β56.25 again?
,calc sqrt(56.25)
Result:
7.5
which sides are in the perimeter though
7.5 is correct but
mhm
30 then!!!
yep, it's 30
Can someone solve this one? I got 17.5 on this one. I am not sure, is it right, guys
πΏ
Damn I solved the other ones but it looks like I can't move a finger on this question 
I really suck at geometry...
Sorry for not being able to help man.
It's ok, I just want to know I am right or not
π
I am just afraid that I might be wrong about BE because BE is an imaginary line that I drew to support the sum.
if BE bisects angle B, then AE is not EC
think about what the angle bisector says
AE = EC would imply BA = BC
oh yeah, so I have find other way around to reprove that SAS cor
wait, are you allowed to use trig for this?
I don't know, I want to help someone who is stuck at that problem
I have to ask him
Is it bad that I can't solve it? π
not at all
this is several levels of difficulty ahead of what you're doing right now
even though it looks simple
Wait really??
yeah
If you can't solve this, it doesn't mean you are bad. I myself just solved this wrong
if you're allowed trig:
(area of ADC)/(area of BDC) = AD/BD
hence (k * 5k/7 sin 2x)/(5 * 7 sin x) = 7/k
you also have sin(2x)/7 = sin(x)/k, solve simultaneously and that should be it
Okay
yeah it is allowed
To be honest, tomorrow is physics and Bio exam for me, and I am spending my time solving this
I think there's a problem with this question though
yeah, those are definitely not similar
No, 17.5 is not correct
Proof this
Oh okay.
I only know sin(90-x)=cos(x)
,tex $\text{Just use}\
\sin(A+B) = \sin(A)\cos(B) + \cos(A)\sin(B)$
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,tex $\sin(\alpha + k(2\pi))\
= \sin(\alpha)\cos(k(2\pi)) + \cos(\alpha)\sin(k(2\pi))\
= \sin(\alpha)(1) + \cos(\alpha)(0)\
= \sin(\alpha) [Q.E.D]$
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@slim plinth
Thanks
Welcome.
Where do you use this formula
Are inverse trig functions different to secant, cosecant and cotangent?
yes, they are
"inverse" here means inverse when composing as functions, whereas secant, etc are inverses for multiplication
Ahhh that makes a lot of sense, thank you cloud
Hi I am in 8th grade taking Algebra 1 and I want to jump ahead into higher level classes so I need to learn Geometry. Is there any suggestions for textbooks or quality sources that I can study and learn Geometry in 6 months with? (I don't plan to use Khan Academy as a main source as it feels more like a practice source)
Find the lengths of the missing
sides if side a is opposite angle A, side b is opposite
angle B, and side c is the hypotenuse.
$sin B = \frac{1}{2}, a=20$
4E656F
Does anyone have any tips for this? Just for understanding this problem intuitively
I would say the intuitive understanding comes from understanding how to draw the triangle, and knowing the definition of the trig function (in this case, sin is the ratio between the opposite side and the hypotenuse)
So I can kind of imagine how this triangle looks just based on the information they gave, and I can draw it out to visualize it clearly
Like sin(B) = 1/2 means the hypotenuse is 2 times as long as side b
if xsin^3(A) + ycos^3(A) = sinAcosA and xsinA = ycosA. prove that x^2 + y^2 = 1
posting it here becasue i have to go in a while. I dont even know where to begin with this one. my mind like. Went blank
Note that:
\begin{align*}
x\sin^3 A +y \cos^3 A &= x \sin A \cdot \sin^2 A+y \cos A \cdot \cos^2 A
\end{align*}
Civil Service Pigeon
oh oh
then you like
xsinA = ycosA
so take that common. and then youre left with uh
ycosA(sin^2(A)+cos^2(A))
which is ycosA
??
keep going

have this in return i guess
lol ok
Can someone help me with everything in first semester geo i have my final on thursday and im absolutely fried
Snap your questions.
Iβll help
no u wont
sorry
No one make fun of me for the questions im about to ask
I swear im in in high school
@fringe moss
im ngl how do u do this bro
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okay thanks bro
Also.
An altitude is basically "height" of a triangle.
To form it, you draw a line from a vertex to it's opposite side perpendicularly.
wait so whats the difference between the altitude and the perpendicular bisector thing
oh nvm does the altitude have to be from the vertex
yes
Yes.
Perpendicular Bisector = perpendicular line passing through the midpoint of a straight line.
i have two more like these tbh π
idk if this is a bad question but I just started learning about trig functions like graphing, I was wondering how those relate to like the right angle triangle rules and what not
?
Why is right angle triangle rule?
I have never heard that in my life.
,tex
\begin{tikzpicture}
\coordinate (A) at (0,0);
\coordinate (B) at (3,0);
\coordinate (C) at (0,2);
\draw (A) -- (B) -- (C) -- cycle;
\draw (A) -- ++(0.3,0) -- ++(0,0.3) -- ++(-0.3,0) -- cycle;
\node[below left] at (A) {A};
\node[below right] at (B) {B};
\node[above left] at (C) {C};
\end{tikzpicture}
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Let angle B be our angle theta.
Anyone know circles
Then \
$\sin(\angle{B}) = \frac{\text{Opposite}}{\text{Hypotenuse}} = \frac{\text{AC}}{\text{BC}}$\
$\cos(\angle{B}) = \frac{\text{Adjacent}}{\text{Hypotenuse}} = \frac{\text{AB}}{\text{BC}}$\
$\tan(\angle{B}) = \frac{\text{Opposite}}{\text{Adjacent}} = \frac{\text{AC}}{\text{AB}}$\
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@minor smelt I hope this is what you meant.
If not, please elaborate further by providing an example.
Of course.
A shape.
Bro circles proving
Circles is a type of geometry
We have
Oh.
You mean Circle Theorem?
Just send your question.
You don't have to ask if anyone knows it or not.
If not then what's the purpose of this group?
literally dying over here, slowly understanding it though
The special right angles, 45-45-90 and 30-60-90. Just wrapping my head around em rn, hard to imagine them scale
Oh....
They're not special right angles.
They're the special angles.
If that so...
I'll deal with that later.
Oh, thanks for letting me know
They're special right triangles, though.
Special right triangles, crazy
How to do this?
do you have a trig table or a calculator
If you donβt youβll have to use the unit circle and memorize a few details
I have calc. Ik that cosine sqrt(2)/2 is pi/4 or 45 degrees and then I'm stuck there
have you tried putting in arccosine of the same thing but with a negative sign just like in the problem
Isn't arccosine the same thing. Ik the answer, I just don't get how to get there. It says that you compute pi - pi/4 which equals 3pi/4 but yeah I dont understand these shapes
Try to plot the relevant points on the unit circle.
Hmmm
why do you need to convert the sin into whatever thats called in english instead of solving normally/how do you know when to do this? No graphing tool or CAS available
It's just one way of solving that equation
And it's probably the most straightforward, since you can then factorize a cosine
Idk i tried just moving the sin over and i didnt even get enough answers, i guess i probably went wrong somewhere there?
Another way could be transforming the sin into cos or viceversa, using the fact that cos(a) = sin(Ο/2 - a) or sin(a) = cos(Ο/2 - a)
Do you mind showing the steps you did?
It seems all well done to me π€
What was the solution of the book?
?
(a+b)^n = \sum_{k=0}^{n} \binom{n}{k} a^{n-k} b^k
Hi bro.
how to use this bot
Include the symbol $.
$ (a+b)^n = \sum_{k=0}^{n} \binom{n}{k} a^{n-k} b^k
At both the starting and the end of the sentence.
$(a+b)^n = \sum_{k=0}^{n} \binom{n}{k} a^{n-k} b^k$
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oh
You have to make them join.
No spaces in between.
Between the $ and the symbols before or after it.
$Given that \sin \theta = \frac{3}{5} and \theta is in the first quadrant, find \cos \theta and \tan \theta.$
For text.
Use \text.
$\text{Given that \sin{\theta} = \frac{3}{5} and \theta is in the first quadrant, find \cos{\theta} and \tan {\theta}.}$
anyway how do i do trig
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$\text{Given that \sin{\theta} = \frac{3}{5} and \theta is in the first quadrant, find \cos{\theta} and \tan {\theta}.}$
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$\text{Evaluate } \int (3x^2 + 2x + 1) , dx$
.
oh ik how to now
Sorry, you're at the wrong place for this question.
Line 3.
whatβs line 3
Honestly, I can't figure out why your solution (which is also how I'd have done it) doesn't match
$3\sin(-x) \neq 3\cos(\frac{\pi}{2} + x)$
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Why not?
This is the place where you did the mistake.
can someone explain this
Where did you learn that?
$\sin^2 \theta + \cos^2 \theta = 1
1 + \tan^2 \theta = \sec^2 \theta
1 + \cot^2 \theta = \csc^2 \theta$
.
Oh wait. I think they are equal.
what is the mistake? This is what my equation book or whatever says
i see that its -x but the x is already negative
Oh okay.
Yeah that's correct, indeed
yeah idk but the book seems to be correct
Did you compare their quadrants?
i dont know what that means
Okay...
I actually found a lot of mistake.
But fixing those won't come to your solution.
i skipped noting down a bunch of steps incase thats the issue? if not could i get at least a hint or something
Yeah this part is indeed the issue.
i dont see it
like take x = pi and you get sin -\pi = 0 and
$\cos\left(\frac{\pi}{2}+\pi\right)=\cos\left(\frac{3\pi}{2}\right)=0$
dinoaurus
Well...
Last line
-Ο + 4Οn = Ο + 2Οn
are they? i see that they meet occasionally but does that make them the same?
Yes.
Mmh no. With -Ο+4Οn you can't have -3Ο, for example
This thing itself is poorly justified you know?
Just follow the normal way.
this loops back into me not knowing why it does this and why nothing else works nor do i know when to do that method
its not exactly supposed to be, its a non graded practice problem im not being super rigorous, the idea is that since sin t = cos pi/2 - t and t here is -x it comes out as cos pi/2 -(-x)=cos pi/2 +x
Honestly, I feel like you're saying nonsensical things @violet oasis
Okay I guess.
Then I will shut up.
Don't worry, this relation is perfectly valid
I found it, and it was pretty trivial
You just forgot to divide by 3 the 4Οn on the bottom right equation
You're welcome π€
wait iβm finally starting to understand trig
but this is easy trig
donβt mind the dividing fractions i sold
yeah was about to point out it should be 15/8
nice work
thanks idk why i find trig hard
,w If \cos \theta = \frac{8}{17} and \theta is in the first quadrant, find
\sin \theta \quad \text{and} \quad \tan \theta
these are pretty fun also
trigonometric proofs
iβll try
it's not GPT
sure
is it ideal
wdym ideal
like you wouldnβt go from addition to fractions u gotta build up
like subtraction
all the arithmetic
right, so if you can do this in all 4 quadrants
oh shoot thereβs 4
for example
yes if you didn't realise sin(theta) could also be -15/17
so tan(theta) could also be -15/8
okay that's a serious gap in your knowledge
i put +and minus
but first is plus
so i just put plus
alr imma do those questions ill answer them ill send it
just do question 1 first so that it's easier to correct mistakes
select two that apply
ok
Would it be both?
which options?
B and A
yep!
clearly AA is not a congruence (all sides and angles equal) condition
you need 3 pieces of information for a triangle
more importantly, see if you can spot why ASA can be used
I see it
indeed
β(3/4) is β3 / 2, yes
So tanx = sinx/cosx
Meaning tanx = (-β3/2)/(-1/2)
Which equals β3
i canβt memorise the quardrant
see
i knew it was positive
First quadrant: x and y both positive
Then you increase the numeration by going counterclockwise
really? the y-coordinate is positive in the 3rd quadrant?
what is why
y
guys i need a new notes thing this one charges now
wait i remember
ward
a s t c
so first all
like, these are the x- and y-axes
second sine
is trig year 9 level
wait are u guys american
year 10 usually
you following the British system right
yeah
i do gcse
uk
so iβm just trying to be ahead
cuz iβm in year 9
and maths is fun
you know what you're doing isn't even in GCSE
it'd be in year 12
what
yeah
true
but not this trig
basically you're limited to the sine rule and cosine rule
oh like pythagoras
and don't forget your bearings
yes, so you only need to care about the first quadrant
bearings easy just directions
good, if you know your parallel line angle properties and think a bit, you're sorted
i donβt want to just win i want to ascend
thatβs too easy bruh imma keep doing ts
honestly get an A level pure textbook
wish i could
cause there's basic definitions you're missing, such as the unit circle definition:
x-coordinate = cos theta
y-coordinate = sin theta
May anyone help with this
is it that hard 
for me atleast
I would use chatgpt but nope
okay, where are you stuck?
on finding the maximum and minimum turning points
right, you just have to know the shape of the graph
the maximum is at theta = 0
the minima are at theta = -180 and 180
for cos(theta)
I only know the identity sin(90-x)=cos and cos(90-x)=sin
is this for Y1=cos theta
yes
oaky cool noted
do you know your function transformations?
what does f(x/2) do to the function f(x)?
Is this true
yes
yes, true for all x
im still learning this topic its still kinda new to me
okay, the answer is that it stretches everything in the x-direction by a factor of 2
nope you have to add 180 to the - degree


