study-discussion

[rotund jolt]

2(-infini)

[lost drum]

we take x a variable from the first set

[rotund jolt]

I mean if we take x=-infini

[lost drum]

No we will not take x=-infinity

infinity is not a number

we previosly said that a function takes only numbers

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

So machine ( [give me here a number])=[ the output of the number]

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

[the output of the number ] is a dependent on [ give me here a number]

this variable of the output is dependent on the variable of give me a number

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

so the machine we name it f ; the input we name it x , the output we name it y

x belong to a set of numbers ,f(x)=y

[rotund jolt]

OOk

But f(x)=y where you add x

[lost drum]

Like f(x)=2x

x=1 , the machine gives 2

[rotund jolt]

But what mean y

[lost drum]

x=5 , the machines gives 10..

[rotund jolt]

Here like is f(x)

[lost drum]

y means the result of what the machine f did about x

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

because = in math means

It's exactly the same things as

It means that it's a the same thing exactly .

like myself = myself

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

but myself =|= to you

[rotund jolt]

ok

Logic lol

[lost drum]

Yes , So a function when it applies to a number it's like machine of bottle of jus (give the jus product)=a full botel of jus with the product

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

if you do machine of bottle( chocolate)=a bottle of chocolat jus .

what ever you give It the function will link the product

inside the bottle

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

Or like school of math (X:person non mathematician)=X mathematician

you give it frederic ,it gives frederic the mathematician

[rotund jolt]

ok

It's Frederic like + math

[lost drum]

So the person is variable , the output is varying in function of the input

[lost drum]

yes

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

a sequence is a particular machine

were you only allowed to give natural numbers to it

and it gives a number

like Machine sequence ([give me here a number like 0,1,2,3,4,5,5,6,7,8,9,10..]) = I will give you a real number

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

of course there's infinitely of sequences that you can imagine

but an exemple one is

that a sequence witch if you give it a number it multiply it by three

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

like machine sequence [555 ]= 555*3

or a sequence that whatever you give it a number it gives you 1.6666

machine sequence [100000]=1.6666

[rotund jolt]

ok

[lost drum]

That's it then the sequence by testing it's reactions from every natural number you give it

you have that machine sequence [0 ] what it gives ? ,machine sequence [1] what it gives ? ;machine sequence [2] what it gives ?

[rotund jolt]

ok

[near timber]

fellas i dont think this is an appropriate conversation for this channel

[lost drum]

mc[3],mc[4]...

[rotund jolt]

ok

[storm jasper]

This analogy is pretty funny

[jade furnace]

I should probably also announce that I'm now free from the sin(x) and cos(x) equation demons. I no longer have to graph them and make sin(x) and cos(x) equations based on two points.

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-gif-14887144685173519659

I wonder what the next hard thing on Khan Academy is going to be.

I just finished Algebra 2 and I'm moving onto the Integrated Math sections.

[dusky glade]

Congratulations 🎉. Although, all formulas of sin and cos can be derived from the sum of angles rule and the definition of sin and cos functions. I'm saying this because calculus is going to require every trigonometric formula you know 📚😬

[abstract mist]

Cool

[rocky terrace]

They can also be derived from the exponential definition of sine and cosine

[dusky glade]

Ye

[lost drum]

Yes

,A function like a machine We gave it a box of Objets

and it gives us an other box of objects .

That's a very good pre-formal understanding for begginers

But after little by little It will be formalised ,f=(E,F,G)

as G included in E *F ,such as x in E , there's one y in F , f(x)=y.

and after for variables understanding there should be a pre-formal

like explaining various real world variables , than a bit cutting it from the concret context

then formalising that notion .

[jade furnace]

Do you mean stuff like sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1?

[dusky glade]

More like cos^2(x) = (1+cos(2x))/2. This one gets used a lot

[edgy sierra]

what if i derive it using a power series

or nah it's actually iffy to use a power series for this

[jade furnace]

I hope Khan Academy lets me review stuff like that before Calculus.

[edgy sierra]

yes

they do

[dusky glade]

Yeh

[edgy sierra]

khan academy is in-depth on trigonometry

[jade furnace]

Yes! Okay, I’ll be good, then.

Thanks for the information!

[glacial raven]

It's fun to decode archaic language of a book with the modern view

[untold glade]

whats the fastest way to learn math

[lost drum]

Fastest?

We didn't know it . But to always have a plan

Having knowledge that gives you plans and multiple strategies

To solve a lot of problems

1/you study the lessons and take notes actively, ask many questions, 2/ practice numerous examples, rewrite the proofs of theorems, 3/and do sets of exercises in increasing difficulty from easy to hard. 4/ rewrite the solutions from an answer key, making them your own and reformulating them.

And for each problem make a to do list then organise into a plan that divides the problem a lot into easy parts .

So you follow process easely .

And for concepts go line by line

By asking clarifications and many questions

Because you should work them to know them.

[untold glade]

okay thank you

[sonic root]

Guys this is not limited to math. But what’s the quickest way to memorise smth. Ik practising questions is good but other than that.

[rocky terrace]

reading exposition, then doing exercises and asking someone when you don't know how to do a certain exercise

[rocky terrace]

You don't memorize math, you understand it 🗿

[sonic root]

I’m not asking abt maths solely

Like memorisation in general

[rocky terrace]

Why do you want to memorize stuff though

It's not really a great way to learn something

If you want to remember things you've learnt, remember the logic behind it, that's way better than rote memorization.

Also nice pfp

[lost drum]

Mémorisation , there's Jim Kwik and some memory experts if you search their books+articles, masterclasses..

The technique is reorganizing data's

In a musical order

Or puting the informations with mental palace technique

Or a weird history .. by encoding

It so you when you decode it

To it's original form you remember it also repeat in spaced times .

Rewrite it a lot.

But when you associate a lot of meanings to it

There's a chance that you will not forget it.

[lost drum]

Also having knowledge how to write

In mathematics for exams or when answering an answer

Is very important to never give epsilon chance

That he will diminish you in you're marks

[storm tide]

Young man, in mathematics you don't understand things, you just get used to them.

[lost drum]

Truth von Neumann

, searching non formal understanding

Isn't there.

He was 100/100 right and that

Réalisation about the truth reality of mathematics is very freeing

And unlocking a big potential

To work on whatever subject you understood or not

But as soon it's well defined

So you will not be limited .

A game of meaningless symbols with rules of logics in paper

That's what only mathematics is and that's where efforts should be concentrated .

And von Neumann historically was a formalist .

[lost drum]

Yes

And for that there's a lot of rules to guarantee 100/100 mark

With the hardest corrector

In term of criteria of evaluation .

Introduction , middle, final of each answer to a question like an arguing text

And creating space in answers , and completeness logical validity and clarity of the reasoning

And writing with big words

squaring the final results to make them more clair, and saying witch tool or proposition to use before to use it

..

.but if we go in details there's pages to write about but search online.

[sonic root]

Haha tyty ur ones also pretty decent

[sonic root]

I disagree for some things memorisation is inevitable. For example in chemistry you have the organic synthesis map. Ofc you learn the concept first but u would need to memorise this. Also memory is a useful technique for example learning languages which doesn’t require too much logique yk? Also I do agree rote memorisation is a passive way to learn but that goes for anything. I js wanted to know any active ways to memorise . Also sorry if this was long

[lost drum]

Can you learn me please How did you work in mathematics?

[sonic root]

I don’t understand what u mean sorry

[lost drum]

I mean how you study mathematics?

[sonic root]

I watch video explanations then do topic questions from easy to hard then practice paper

Why do u ask btw @lost drum

[lost drum]

I asked to

Upgrade my method

[sonic root]

What’s ur method?

[lost drum]

#study-discussion message

• me I look for different answers to a problem

And I try to extract a lot of plans and ideas from witch

I can reproduce them

And integrate them in my knowledge .

[sonic root]

Your method seems wayyyy better than mine

[lost drum]

It's by extracting a lot of processes and plans

Then doing them a summary

Also rewrite the answer that he did and complet it and reformulate it

.. and working for it to make it own and repracticing them

Thouse processes when you go to an exam

Whatever he ask a question you choose any plan

That you wanted

And you got 100/100 sometimes we skip

Directly for studying actively a lot of answers

Than trying to do problems .

[sonic root]

That’s true but sometimes the method u use is limited for example for first principles topic in maths our exam only require us to use one method

[sonic root]

But you’re still solving the problems aren’t you?

[lost drum]

of course you do 9 different problems

For a course but skipping to the answers

Is a bit faster

And we learn

More from it

Than trying to do lonely by being limited with our own habits .

Seek for alternatives from many people and have their knowledge and their work

You will probably find that it's better to immitate

Thouse who are more powerful than you than trying to create the new way of doing

[sonic root]

Icc thanks for sharing

[untold vine]

I have a matrix algebra exam in 40 minutes, what’s the best way to study? 😂

All jokes aside, how do you actually remember what you study, it sounds dumb but my brain goes blank when I’m stressed. And even if I can do all of the practice exams and questions at home, I still bomb the exam.

I’m notoriously bad at straight memorizing things as well so remembering formulas and stuff is the main weakness.

It’s obviously too late for my algebra exam, but I have a proofs exam on Wednesday that I need to know all of the theorems that we used in class, and I’m scared.

[storm tide]

If you have 40 minutes, then it's too late to study. Focus on getting awake and calm, and getting to the right location in time.

[lost drum]

Hi , I have 1 question:

In the study of mathematical prooves

What is you're method to study the prooves of others ?

[misty mountain]

Make a list of all the theorems or flashcards of them, ask your friends to quiz you to state them randomly throughout the day

[tawdry flint]

Flashcards work great for high level stuff and open ended math questions but if you use them for rote memorization, they are really detrimental to learning.

[fallen flare]

is some kinda passive learnin good

[edgy sierra]

draw what you're proving

write down what's given and what you want to show

many proofs also need you to do some kind of trick

so it's also good to write down your strategy

[fallen flare]

hm perhaps giv sum example

[edgy sierra]

proving the bolzano-weierstrass theorem is an example of allat

same with the intermediate value theorem if you prove it like bolzano did

[edgy sierra]

you draw a closed interval

then draw closed intervals that are subsets of that

the strategy is to construct the interval lengths

[edgy sierra]

here you draw the graph and a closed interval

[lost drum]

👍

[small salmon]

@plain mural so generally the best way to get good at math is to do math. "Talent in math" is actually just "interested in math" coupled with "practice in math" in my experience.

[plain mural]

Ok

I understand

[small salmon]

So looking at this, CBSE seems to be indian, and class 10 means that you're on your second year of secondary education.

yes?

So you're looking at probably subjects such as trigonometry and 2nd year algebra?

[small salmon]

@plain mural have you seen this: https://www.khanacademy.org/math/ncert-class-10?

[lost drum]

For me the best way

Is to know it's truth

And it's reality .

Gaston Bachelard say: mathematics is a set of acts not superposed knowledj .

By knowing the reality of mathematics

Everything will be very easy because you will base you're work

With the good plan and never one will

Arrive to that except the true researcherchers of truth .

Who knows the truth and are working with the truth they knew.

[small salmon]

Frankly, that sounds like woo, and gaining attunement to the "true nature of mathematics," or whatever, definitely won't help you understand how to use trig functions to solve a triangle, or solve a system of equations, or a differential equation, or show a function between two groups is a homomorphism.

[lost drum]

Me I believe that The truth of mathematics is a big game of symbols with the rules .I believe logicism and formalism

But I can be wrong

And mathematics is an experimental activity and a science fiction .

So when I solve a trig function

I will do it in the way my philosophical knowledj was .

[small salmon]

Yes, it is, but what does that get you? That's like saying the true nature of life is chemical interactions between enzymes. Sure, that's true, but it won't help you explain anything about population dynamics of deer vs wolves. Or the breeding habits of moths.

It's a shortcut to pretending you understand things without actually taking the time and effort to actually understand these things.

[lost drum]

Yes, but I have some confidence about jean Dieudonné, Hilbert and some big mathematicians.

Who were superior to me and worked very hard .

And other reason

: is that my knowledj of basical logics

That logical truths in math of all statements

Were pure formal and all mathematics is just

The combinaison of a set of axioms

That anything witch doesn't return to axioms in mathematics

Is absurd .

But meaning of those propositions is not appropriate to mathematics

So all mathematics is meaningless except if we attribute it .

[small salmon]

Saying that all of mathematics reduces to axioms is missing the point. Of course it does. There are even multiple sets of axioms from which you can make all of mathematics. My point is you don't appeal directly to the axioms of mathematics when you're solving any particular problem. You appeal to the definitions of the given field. If I want to integrate a function, I wouldn't start from the axioms of set theory then construct the natural numbers, then construct the integers, then construct the rationals, then construct the real numbers, then construct the notion of a relation, then construct the notion of a function, then construct the notion of a metric space, then construct the notion etc etc etc

Instead I would use the definition of derivative, and the fundamental theorem of calculus, to compute the antiderivative, and solve the integral.

Actually, I wouldn't even use the definition of the derivative. I would use the derivative laws that are derived from the definition of the derivative.

The point is none of this comes for free with the axioms of mathematics. There are entire fields built upon these axioms and you have to know details about the fields that you are in. Simply knowing the axioms of mathematics won't help you.

@lost drum does this make sense?

[lost drum]

Yes

truth .

But combinaison

Of axioms are limited with

And , or, no ..

So with thouse combinaisons and the axioms all possible mathematics

Is resulted.

[small salmon]

There are foundations of mathematics that do not appeal to first order logic separately. My understanding is, this is one of the reasons for homotopy type theory being as popular as it is. It's a "univalent" foundation of mathematics. That is to say the first order logic is baked into the definitions of type theory itself.

But I could be wrong, and somebody will be along to correct me if I am

[lost drum]

First order logics

Is the Microsoft in mathematics

It's more common maybe then

All others.

And then most of mathematicians

Have just a bit of logical knowledj .

[small salmon]

Have you taken geometry?

[lost drum]

No

[small salmon]

Really? Did your school not offer it or have you not taken it yet?

Anyway, I would like to prove to you that the axioms of mathematics are not really relevant to most practical problems that you'll experience in mathematics. Even purely theoretical ones.

So I will tell you that it is a fact that, in a euclidean space, the sum of interior angles in any triangle is 180°.

My challenge to you is to prove it starting from the zf axioms And first order logic. You may take or leave the axiom of choice, your call, it shouldn't be relevant.

||You will find the task to be impossible, because formally constructing many of the elements that are required to prove this is well beyond the ability of anyone who is otherwise ready to discuss the angles of a triangle. This is why in geometry courses we talk about Euclid's axioms of the plane, because they are a far more suitable basis for most of the work we do in geometry.||

||And in fact, Euclid's axioms of the plane were the axiomatic foundations of much of mathematics for over 2,000 years, The fact that we constructed the axioms of mathematics on set theory is almost an accident of history.||

@lost drum ^

[lost drum]

No but all propositions that I will use for the problem

=axioms+{and,no} connections between them .

If it's not defined above axioms it's absurd

It doesn't belong to our mathematical system .

[small salmon]

The problem I gave you is possible to do, it just requires understanding far more mathematics than you understand.

I assume.

You would definitely need to be a 3rd year undergrad in mathematics to approach this problem with the level of sophistication required to give it a rigorous treatment. (And this is not something that we should require 8th graders to go through before we teach them geometry.)

(Because in order to define a space in which you can start operating in, you have to understand how to define spaces at all, which requires an introductory course in topology.)

@lost drum ^

(You'll need to define real numbers to handle the addition of arbitrary angles, and that's going to be in a real analysis course.)

(There's probably other things that I am missing as well)

[small salmon]

Also, a minor point on this. It was proven in the 1920s or 30s by Godel that all axiomatic systems of mathematics are either incomplete or inconsistent (or both), so it is possible to find statements not provable in any consistent axiomatic system. I.e. it can be true and it can also be false, the system in question doesn't make a claim either way. This means we can choose it to be true or choose it to be false and add it as an axiom. For instance, the continuum hypothesis says that the cardinality of the real numbers is the 2nd smallest type of infinity after the naturals. This is independent of ZFC. Would it be absurd to claim it true and add it to our axioms, ZFC+C? Maybe, but then again ZF+C was a similar situation. Any axiom system is a set of choices made by people, they are not perfect.

[proven anvil]

I found Fourier Motzkin elimination on GitHub simple, and MIT licensed and rather recent, no more help needed. X E.

[lost drum]

You are right

It's truth .but the proove of card (R)>card (N)

Is it not done with what is

Build by axioms ?

I remember the proove was well defined

But as 2nd infinity among all infinities is absurd for me .

I dont know if There is a set J, card (R)>card (J)>card (N) .

And then the propositions non constructed well

they are raricime and fastly corrected or avoided .

But you were right

About the weaknesses of pure logics ..

And thankyou so much @small salmon

[lost drum]

And after

It has limits in applying mathematics

Like the non conventional models

And dimensional analysis ..

All is latter is formalised to axioms

[lost drum]

Also the use of infinitisimals and so we can not reduce subjectivity in Mathematics in its historical origins is mostly immense and deeper tha n that.

As a sociological phenomenon .

The best works are not the most formal, generalised one ..

But the richest in being

the most useful and good and benificial for communities

Witch brings the best Life and in that the pure formal mode of thinking disconnected from anything is the most unproductive and non creative outside of the box .

[dusky glade]

How to not burnout every month? I would like burnout to be less frequent

[dusky glade]

Ok thank sir

[pastel meteor]

quite a basic ques

but if the 2 A are identical

shouldn't ans be 8c1

[tawdry flint]

@pastel meteor 28 is correct, how did you get 8 please reason your working so I can help you out

Open a help channel actually and ping me @pastel meteor see #❓how-to-get-help

This channel is for study discussions

[small salmon]

Here's some ideas in the form of questions, but of course what makes sense for me might not line up for you.

1. Am I taking on too much work? (If you are taking on too much work, then there's essentially no way to realistically avoid burn out.)
2. Am I pacing myself correctly? (If you leave work for the last minute, then you spend a lot of time panicking and working less effectively, this also can contribute to high levels of stress and/or anxiety.)
3. Am I taking breaks? (5 minutes for every hour, stand up and look at something else a little bit.)
4. Am I hydrated/fed/taking care of my basic needs? (Sometimes, something as simple as a shower can help a lot.)
5. Am I using my resources correctly? (Are you working in a study group? Do you mesh well with them? Are you working with your TAs or other course help?)
6. Am I taking breaks doing things I enjoy? (Sometimes, recreation in the form of internet addiction/doom scrolling, can hurt more than it helps, and it bleeds over into your work life and makes you feel miserable. Remember, if screen time and paper time is work time, then maybe recreation can be novel time or board game time or if you're an extrovert then club time or something, I don't know what extroverts do.)

[dusky glade]

Come to think of it I haven't taken a shower and wasn't eating very good food for the last 3 days... Also I don't have TAs per se, just a person I can email my questions (since I study online essentially everything is self taught)

Hmmm, I need to change up a few things. Thanks for the suggestions ☺️

[sullen fern]

Do you prefer to do math homework in one sitting or sporadically throughout the day, assuming you grasped the concepts already?

[lapis beacon]

Can someone tell what music should I listen to while studying? Should I completely avoid music while studying?

[worn dove]

I generally avoid listening to music while studying, sometimes I listen to calmer albums with no vocals (some of nine Inch nails for example). If it's a boring repetitive task I need to slog through I listen to whatever

[lapis beacon]

Oh, thanks!

[obtuse hedge]

Hello, i have to give calculus in a month and a half

is it adequate time to get a passing score

is there someone here who can help me with that/

on DM

s

[edgy sierra]

yes for single-variable

but you need to study efficiently everyday

[obtuse hedge]

it has limits, continuity and integrals

and derivatives

[edgy sierra]

yeah that sounds like single-variable

[obtuse hedge]

also i have another math subject called calculativ mathematics

[edgy sierra]

are you sure it isn't an analysis course

[obtuse hedge]

with Taylor series

its a first year math subject to a computer science degree

[edgy sierra]

ok

yeah one month is enough

[obtuse hedge]

i have several math courses to pass for getting my degree

calculus 1, probabilities and computational mathematics

the last one is very hard everyone in the school struggles

[edgy sierra]

taylor, maclaurin and power series stuff needs calculus

that's why

[obtuse hedge]

and the professor says i have to known derivatives for that

on a very good level

[edgy sierra]

you need to be good at derivatives and series tests

[obtuse hedge]

so 1,5 time is adequate

given a 2 hour involvement with that

?

I have the Thomas book on calculus

should i need more?

[edgy sierra]

around 2-3 hours but do the exercises

[obtuse hedge]

ok thnx

so thats only for calculus 1

?

or the taylor series as well

[edgy sierra]

single-variable

[lost drum]

Hi,

I didn't know how to manage my time

There's a lot of advisors and I dont know the best ?

[sonic root]

Use time blocked timetables

Or use tools online such as notion to create a plan

Another tool I found very helpful is the Eisenhower matrix

Oh and giving rewards or future treats as a way to motivate yourself is also good

[swift tartan]

hk this should be pinned

[rocky terrace]

Omg how do people even get to the point of burning out? I'm having the opposite problem, I'm not working hard enough, I'm taking too many breaks, getting sucked into yt shorts or whatever

Please teach me how to burn out 🙏

[storm tide]

"Not working hard enough, procrastinating all the time" is one of the signs of burnout.

[rocky terrace]

How did I burnout by doing literally nothing all day long

for months

I've never worked hard enough to burnout, for more than a few days in my whole life lmao

[outer rapids]

one thing that I am trying to implement right now, is just ban my phone

because a scary amount of my time every day is lost to youtube

[lament heath]

what do people watch on yt

[rocky terrace]

Same!

[rocky terrace]

Nothing useful

at least if you're talking about me

[rocky terrace]

I can't outright ban my phone, but I think I should ban youtube and discord slowly

Because I need it for communication and stuff

[outer rapids]

discord is not as bad

in that case have you considered uninstalling youtube?

youll still have access to it on your browser

[rocky terrace]

What a wonderful idea

let me do that rn

I did disable youtube earlier but then I installed it again because I thought I could control myself

You when you're in a "who can have the least self-control" competition and your opponent is me:

Woah congrats!!

donuts are good

T^2

[dusky glade]

Damn, I blocked YouTube today, and started studying with the "only a few minutes" mindset, and even though this usually doesn't work today it did! I solved 2 exercises in 70 minutes! Happy😊 😁!

[dusky glade]

When that stuff continues for months I think I would consult a doctor... But idk I'm not a doctor in the first place 😶

I just hope you're okay man

[rocky terrace]

[rocky terrace]

I am I am

I was studying just now 🗿

[dusky glade]

[winter nebula]

@rocky terrace sup neamesis

what are you studying nowadays

[lost drum]

Thank's so much

[lost drum]

have very big feel of will and emergency toward the task by it's concequences if it's done or not done .

divise the task into steps and start with little part of it .

,repeat Saying for yourself do it now , do it now , do it now ..

then attack it whatever the situation .

use 10 minute rules , when you want to take the break about you're task

move it to 10 minute , when 10 minutes finishes turn it to 12 minutes ..

But you should have complet knowledj by clarifiying and thinking before , and verifiying .. for that you're work will be certainly well done

and you should have a plan from with to apply you're knowledj and in that it must be active not just passive when you acquire it .without a plan you will be confused with +infinity of possibilities and you will be divided much and have no guide but when you follow step by step you will have a real sens of progression.

finaly give a deadline for you're task

exemple at 2/5/2026 hours x it's finished .

Source: brian tracy :eat that frog , Nir eyale :indistractable .

[lost drum]

Yes ,

@near timber

[near timber]

[lost drum]

what will you say ?

[near timber]

say to what

[lost drum]

About the advices I gave to nemsis ?

[near timber]

i am not a part of this conversation

[lost drum]

🥹

[solemn crest]

Can anyone teach me algebra

[scenic shuttle]

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/algebra

[floral musk]

https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-1-4613-0041-0

[outer rapids]

^ joke answer, do not take this seriously

[steep grove]

delete youtube

delete instagram, discord, etc.

[steep grove]

no not slowly

do you have anyone important on discord

idk about you but i have everyone in real life on other socials

for YouTube, make a new profile and turn off watch history so it doesn't give recommended videos

and only use it for music and education videos

[steep grove]

that reminds me when i had a crunchie bar on my desk while solving problems and my teacher thought i was giving myself a treat if i work through all this. i actually just wanted to eat it but i was getting sidetracked by problems.

[wary venture]

for someone not from a math background and self studying abotts real analysis im having trouble doing the problem sets. anyone have tips, it feels like im going at a snails pace

[gloomy dawn]

Nice. Keep going just don't stop.

[wary venture]

is it suppose to feel like this lol, I cant do like half the problems without looking at solutions

alot of it is like wow thats clever

[gloomy dawn]

Same that happens. When you will go through more and more problems suddenly you will notice a pattern. (I think so)

[wary venture]

for sure, thanks for the help.

[gloomy dawn]

Yup. Great day

[edgy sierra]

real analysis is hard

especially if you haven't taken linear algebra or an introduction to proofs class

[normal sleet]

Yeah
At least make sure to spend some time thinking about eaxh exercise and trying

If youre stuck try to identify why youre stuck, like what exactly is the difficult point youre trying to achieve (for eg, i cant show this thing is the supremum cause I dont know how to upper bound the terms)

And when you do look at solutions try to see how they get around the problem

Over time you'll notice patterns and build your bag of tricks
Then it'll become easier

Also since youre doing analysis
Draw pictures, it really helps

[karmic torrent]

self studying abbot too, like others said, you'll notice some patterns

try coming up with your own examples for stuff, can be quite helpful

[main lodge]

Depends on the course, but is indeed hard if youre not used to proof based mathematics

[lost drum]

Try

To learn logics

And algebra first.

Because the book of analysis is written with the language of set theory and logics

Like the caractérisation of séquences, integrals, supremum,infremum bounds..

So analysis is a spécial case of algèbre.

And any problème that you solve

Needs the proove of the solution

And for knowing what are valid and unvalid prooves

And formulation of hypothesis, conclusions ..

All of that belongs to logics.

And then what was in high and middle school

was essential to not only have the knowledj but that thouse skills must be in second inconscious nature in you

Without needing consciousness efforts with them .

But if you havent did many tasks befire and studird difficulties are going to increase .

So start soon from the basics or tasks will be very big for you.

And you should memorise not only the courses

But second nature inconscisnous skills must be repeted

To be fully downloaded or you will lose by time thouse algorithmes and automatism ..

So all is summed up in the two questions : have I complet knowledj and have I classical skills about my knowledj ?

[edgy sierra]

analysis is just the study of whatever

it's the study of sequences, limits, continuity, spaces, etc

[proven anvil]

I think I finally got it, simplex solver from GitHub for linear inequalities, minimums and maximums by linear optimizing. X E.

[proven anvil]

Would anyone like to discuss how to project in 4d+ spherical or hyperboloid graphics?

Also, is there like a Gaussian elimination for it?

[mint ginkgo]

i mean
when i prepped for my IELTS back in HS, I used to study 8-9h a day, without ANY breaks, for the entire summer

no fun, no walks, no movies, no social life, no sweets, no nothing

had to do years of therapy and meds to get a tiny tiny bit close to where I was. still not fully recovered

burnout sucks kids

[timber blade]

This is exactly how it starts.

[dusky glade]

Damn, everyone is sharing their burnout stories... Kinda sad that so many had such negative experiences 😕

I got mental illness from the " " I experienced in high school, and long story short I ended up studying maths as an online degree at my current uni.

Now I'm medicated and healthy at a level I can actually study approximately 2-4 hours a day, and though my life is not full of achievement, it is full of happiness 😊

...is what the hypothetical me would say if I was completely burnt out , BUT WE ARE SO BACK BABY😎 🧠 📚 . THE GRIND HAS JUST BEGUN 🐐 🐐

[thorn prairie]

Hi

[green terrace]

We burned out well over a decade ago and after several years of abuse laid on top of it (before and after the burnout begun) alongside a burning hatred of maths planted within us by several people around us because apparently we were never good enough at it led to a lot of issues. Now we're unmedicated, barely surviving uni, and very interested in a lot of very random maths, so uh...yeah. It's lucky if we pick up a textbook for more than 30 minutes a day, most days it's just 0.

[glacial raven]

That's an unhealthy amount

[worn dove]

wtf how

You did that many courses this semester??

That's actually awesome I hope they do this in my country too

[rocky terrace]

I want donuts now

Damn you

[deep dirge]

🍩

🎅

[main trail]

How normal is it to forget basic math a sem or 2 after doint a course( say line integration)
and How do I avoid this

The problem is recalling the formula, I can do line integration, just given the formula

but for instance I didn''t recall it until I saw it

similarly I don't recall green or stokes theorm ( granted I've literally never used this other than in one exam, but still)

Ofcourse the excuse I have for myself is : You never really prove any of this, so it's expected you'll forget it soon enough

[brazen mist]

Forgetting details in a previous course you have taken already is T5

[main trail]

T5?

[brazen mist]

completely normal Hausdorff

[main trail]

but forgetting key theorms like greens 😭?

[brazen mist]

Have you used it a lot in other contexts beside the course you have taken?

[main trail]

never

[brazen mist]

Repetition is quite important to retain the information

[main trail]

just in vector calculus

Would have used it had I done differential geo this sem, but I didn't

[brazen mist]

I forget most of the things I never had to use in research

But the things I regularly use have become second nature

[main trail]

That does, yes

Like I've done a LOT of LA , so I do remember a fair bit of it, and even if I forget something I can just derive it again

Thanks so much!

[jovial sparrow]

its normal, but its also good to revisit things you learned a while ago in more depth

often you will find that you learn a lot more the second time around

[main trail]

I do plan on revisting it over the next week or so

[lost drum]

Know why it's truth

All mathematics of the earth was from people who were working very hard

Read the biography of leonard euler .

[lost drum]

And each problem is like a tree

The group of hypothesis and tools are summed in the introduction

Witch gives one proove to the conclusions .

[ionic depot]

As soon as I left that calc III class I definitely could only do these with the formula in front of me as well 😂

[jade furnace]

Finally completed Integrated Math 2!

I'm moving onto Integrated Math 3 before doing Trigonometry and then Precalculus.

[ionic depot]

Wow, impressive

[jade furnace]

Thank you!

What grade am I at roughly now... 11th?

I completed Algebra 2 recently, which I took in the 10th grade.

[ionic depot]

That I cannot say off the top of my head 😆

[mint ginkgo]

@reef ocean

would u recommend switching from Notion to Obsidian?

I started using Notion non-stop 2.5'ish years ago, and I got soo much notes and projects and attachments and databases that transferring them to obsidian literally would take years

so ig only starting new projects from scratch or transferring really important ones

[reef ocean]

I've only tried Notion for about some minutes while looking for corporate-ish organization tools, it's great for that use case if you can pay the subscription, for personal organization it's not a bad tool but I like how Obsidian is way more customizable overall. I would recommend it for its flexibility and so you can own your data, rather than rely on a proprietary cloud service

my current setup is one big Obsidian vault where I keep both notes (which can be e.g. course notes, daily notes or just quick plaintext notes with no formatting) and .pdf files I'm reading, synced across all my devices with SyncThing which I strongly recommend https://syncthing.net, with the following plugins:

the workflow with these plugins is like, you can use Meta Bind to build interactive GUIs with buttons, text fields, etc.; bind these buttons to create files according to some template with Templater; then you can query specific files in your vault with Dataview

on top of that I use Tasks to well keep track of tasks and the rest of the plugins are for more particular stuff, these four are the core of my vault I'd say

Obsidian recently implemented Bases though https://help.obsidian.md/bases I haven't really tried that out but it's an official alternative to some things implemented by these plugins

[barren remnant]

I think integrated maths are just algebra and statistics and geometry combined, so you could go straight to trig if you want since you already did algebra 2?

[mint ginkgo]

oh damn
Mata Bind sounds so fire!

gotta try it
thankies 🥰

[reef ocean]

it's very fun https://www.moritzjung.dev/obsidian-meta-bind-plugin-docs/

[jade furnace]

I could, but I want to 100% everything on Khan Academy.

[barren remnant]

Oooo that sounds fun then, enjoy!!!! 🩷

[barren remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-bunny-bed-gif-19199485

[jade furnace]

Thank you!

[barren remnant]

You're welcome!! 🫶

[jade furnace]

After Khan Academy, I'll probably use Math Academy or something like that.

[barren remnant]

Okiee!!!!!

[jade furnace]

My plans after that are either Number Theory or Topology.

[barren remnant]

Niceeee I would love to study those after calculus!

[rocky terrace]

I don't think you need integrated math 1 and 2 to do Trig and precalc though Also have you done high school geometry, that might be helpful as well

[rocky terrace]

I would suggest real analysis before Topology

[jade furnace]

Real Analysis?

Also, I've done High School Geometry before.

Technically twice.

[winter nebula]

Guys

what do you suggest for not getting stuck with the math when doing physics?

when solving diff equations and using fourier series stuff etc, or using approximations using taylor series to simplify certain equations

how to get the fluency for that?

I've looked up on mathematical methods books but they feel really dry

[royal basin]

you can try analytic number theory when you finish calc with apostol's introduction to analytic number theory (later chapters of the book require multivariable calc but a good chunk doesnt)

usually you would want complex analysis background for analytic nt but apostol doesnt require that as a necessary prereq, ofc complex analysis background would be preferable but thats not a problem

[foggy horizon]

Would taking discrete mathematics after multi variable and before differential equations and linear algebra be a good idea? To develop some mathematical maturity before those and higher courses

[royal basin]

i am not really sure bc i have never seen a discrete math course, i hear that its bits of elementary nt, combinatorics, graph theory etc... It would probably help you with mathematical maturity, tho personally i would say that you can open a (proof based) linear algebra book like FIS and start a bit with it alone to see if you can follow or no.

The point I am trying to make is that you might not need to take a course in discrete math if the purpose of doing that is developing mathematical maturity since courses like linear algebra also serve as kinda an intro to proofs, ie proofs there are usually beginner friendly in the sense that they are written in full details etc.. (at least it should be in such a course in uni from what i know)

[foggy horizon]

Ok. Thank you for your advice

I’ll keep this in mind

[royal basin]

but i cant give you a precise answer because idk your background/abilities, yk what i mean. So the only way to more or less know an answer to your question is to try (proof based) linear algebra

i am saying proof based linear algebra because there are books on the computational side like strang's book

[foggy horizon]

I’m self studying and have taken up to calculus two so far; I am currently learning proofs with “How to prove it” That’s my background

[royal basin]

if you are a math major and/or if you want to study stuff in pure math then you wouldnt want to use that

[foggy horizon]

Sounds good

[royal basin]

thats why use something like FIS

[foggy horizon]

I’ll take a look at FIS then when I’m up there

Thank you 👍

[royal basin]

there are much more books too if you want, which you can see if you go the pinned messages in #book-recommendations and scroll down till you see a list of LA books

[royal basin]

ohhh i see nice

yea then you probably dont need a discrete math course ig, you should presumably be fine if you get through a part of the intro proofs book (tho i am not sure since idk the book)

[royal basin]

np! have a great day/night

[foggy horizon]

That’s what I love about this server

[foggy horizon]

You too,goodbye

[royal basin]

yea, this server is very nice because you get to know good resources and also you get help (in the math you are doing) from others who know the answers to your questions

[normal sleet]

Provided you can mentally filter out the nonsense that shows up every now and then haha

[royal basin]

sotrue

[swift tartan]

I know you definitely heard this, but fluency comes from practice, unless you are asking about something else?

I didn’t understand if you wanted a technique to being able to do the physics problems easier or something but honestly even to this there really isn’t

iirc since you are in hs then just do khan academy AP Physics

[winter nebula]

I'm asking about how i can train that fluency and get the practice for such physics problems

[winter nebula]

^ these stuffs

[winter nebula]

But these mathematical methods for physics books feel dry and more like recipe book

it's kinda impossible to rote learn and apply

[winter nebula]

my bad i couldn't be clearer

[storm jasper]

By doing problems?

[winter nebula]

Ye that I know

[winter nebula]

But I specifically want to train thise

these

[viral osprey]

People develop skill in solving problems by basically just spending a lot of time doing problems.

• learning/doing lots of math I guess.

You see tricks elsewhere and think to try them or you spend a lot of time bashing your head against the wall trying any old thing you can think of until something works or you give up.

It's good to think of how productively you are struggling I guess.

Productive struggle to me is not knowing the answer but still in the stage of just trying stuff (or having stuff to try).

Unproductive is when I've tried every thing I can think of, looked through my book and any other reference I can find and haven't found a single useful idea I haven't tried already.

When things get unproductive it's good to start talking to people and asking for help.

[storm jasper]

I can forward this

[storm jasper]

I also agree with this, but my method for unproductivitt is pretty sad

[viral osprey]

Idk what you mean?

When things get unproductive it can be pretty demoralizing for sure.

Usually most of the emotional part of it is frustration + physical stuff like being tired or hungry or whatever.

The frustration is usually not a big deal. The other things are also easy to fix.

Usually by taking a break, quitting for the day, eating food blah blah, depends on what you need.

Often after resting on things you come up with new ideas to try.

[storm jasper]

Well, I literally just got rejected from Penn. so when I feel tired or want to stop I force myself to keep going to prove to myself something (I know it’s very flawed)

[viral osprey]

Rejected for undergrad or grad?

Idk if forcing yourself or not really matters.

You just eventually run out of things you can think of to try if you spend enough time being stuck.

[storm jasper]

Undergrad

[viral osprey]

Ah that is a little bit disappointing but for math I don't think it's a huge impediment.

My undergrad was much worse than psu or upenn and I managed to get accepted to a grad school that I think is decent and that has people studying things I'm into.

I have also seen students from much much better undergrads than me in my program and they don't strike me as particularly special besides maybe having taken a couple more grad courses in undergrad.

[storm jasper]

Like what

[viral osprey]

Pretty small state school

[storm jasper]

I mean I just want to take my grad requirements in undergrad

[viral osprey]

Part of the purpose of undergrad courses is to actually certify "hey this person knows undergrad content"

Idk if outright trying to skip undergrad courses is always advantageous compared to just taking undergrad courses and acing them.

I don't think you actually even can skip grad requirements at my current school.

You'd have to take the prelims and intro grad courses regardless of what you did in undergrad here either way.

Other programs may differ.

I guess my point is you are wasting your time trying to optimize for requirement systems you don't even know that are multiple years away.

The purpose of undergrad imo is to learn a particular set of basic skills and to expose yourself to new math you might not otherwise see. The former being more important than the latter. So if I were you I'd frame things more with those goals in mind.

[storm jasper]

I am doing that now

[viral osprey]

Via self study?

[storm jasper]

Ur

Ye

[viral osprey]

That doesn't provide much in the way of assurance that you actually learned the things you claimed to have learned besides you vouching for yourself.

[storm jasper]

That is true

[viral osprey]

Self study to me at least is mostly just about getting good at stuff.

[storm jasper]

I do it for conceptually understanding stuff

[viral osprey]

It's helpful in school because it gives you a head start on stuff you may take later, provides connections to things you are learning and all that other good stuff.

[viral osprey]

Yeah this is good too.

[storm jasper]

I’ve kinda been interested in doing stuff solo tbh

[heavy needle]

Autodidactic gang

[storm jasper]

Tf is that

[viral osprey]

From the ug pov, somebody has to eventually submit grades that effectively say either "this person learned X" (or not).

It's not foolproof but there's an element of verification/vouching

[storm jasper]

I can do that by asking people In mathcord

[viral osprey]

Nah, that's not the same lmao

[storm jasper]

Honorable people obviously

[viral osprey]

Like, when I grade people I have to ask myself "does this person get the thing they were supposed to learn here"

[storm jasper]

R u a ya

Ta

[viral osprey]

I have TA'd and taught lol

[viral osprey]

Then I have to assign a grade based on that

Eventually I have to submit the students grades for the class to the admin folk

[storm jasper]

Does self grading work if you eliminate the act of bias

[viral osprey]

Mmm idk if that's entirely possible

Even in regular courses bias is an issue

[royal basin]

unfortunately unis cant care about what you have self studied tbh, like they wont be testing you to check if you know what you claim you do and you dont really have a way to prove your claim

[viral osprey]

Like, I try really hard not to be an unfair grader, but I think it's literally impossible to be perfectly fair.

The feedback and evaluation coming from an outside source is valuable imo though

[storm jasper]

I mean the only way to prove it would be to write a paper that’s factually correct

[royal basin]

unless you create a situation where you could show what you know in the presence of someone who could convince the admission team then you wont get anywhere

and idk if there is a way to create such a scenario lmao

[storm jasper]

Why can’t I just send an email to a local professor

[viral osprey]

Say you do

[heavy needle]

With the exception of certain, generally low level classes, for which there are accredited testing organizations offering exams that are accepted as class credit in many institutions

[viral osprey]

And you send them a giant giga list of all books, notes and problems you've gone over. Does that show them much besides you being able to read and write?

What if the whole list is plagiarized?

[royal basin]

well thats certainly a way to do it, if you could publish a paper in a journey then ig it would easily get you in as an undergrad

[viral osprey]

What if they admit you and you can't pass the prelims?

[storm jasper]

What if I record myself writing a paper

Or like

Explain everything

I’m not Mike from suits

[viral osprey]

Then what if this still happens?

[storm jasper]

More studying then

[viral osprey]

In my program two failed prelims -> you get kicked out

[royal basin]

i mean sure if you can meet a prof and convince him/her that you know what you are doing then that would probably help

[storm jasper]

I’m writing a icml paper with a friend but that’s coding sadly

[viral osprey]

The "more studying" you can do is limited.

[storm jasper]

Well it’s conceptually understanding it right? Are you saying the prereqs like

So like if I take an alg geo class rn, but I don’t have abstract alg taken

Then like

Would that count

[royal basin]

ohhh i see, but does that enable you to enroll in the uni as a regular/full time undergrad student?

[storm jasper]

Like define it

[viral osprey]

I'm saying eventually you will be expected to perform on the spot (typically via actual tests) and people will be forced to assign grades to your performance.

Self studying is good. But people are trying to objectively evaluate students both for assigning grades and for admission purposes.

[royal basin]

if by taking an AG class you mean an official class where you have a certificate then i doubt that the admission will care about whether you have a certificate with a class on AA or no lol

[viral osprey]

I really doubt it

[royal basin]

the point is that you should have some kind of proof

[viral osprey]

Part of the issue is that grad courses are harder to evaluate than undergrad courses.

I have taken grad courses where you have zero obligation to do anything.

[royal basin]

if you only have your words then that wont get you anywhere in the admission's eyes

[viral osprey]

With most undergrad courses there's usually some method of evaluation.

[storm jasper]

If only this was good will hunting

I guess self study prepares me for lower undergrad courses up to like abstract alg

[royal basin]

do you still get a certificate/credits even when you dont do anything? tho ig there is at least a test or something like that?

[storm jasper]

I can study grad school topics (and I will before I turn 18) but it won’t be enough?

[viral osprey]

Just do your best to learn all the basic undergrad content, try and ace all those courses, try and get in a couple grad courses and maybe an undergrad research project with a prof.

In roughly that order of priority

[viral osprey]

Here they still assign grades for these types of courses.

[viral osprey]

Well any math you do will be good.

It's just that grades, admissions and bureaucracy are a clusterfuck lmao

[royal basin]

ohh i see

[storm jasper]

[royal basin]

yea thats reality, nothing can be done about that. If you have some relations with prof(s) in the said uni who can kinda influence the admission's decision then you might be able to do something

[viral osprey]

Typically you do that by getting profs to write you good letters.

[royal basin]

tho i dont have any basis for this but it sounds logical lmao

[storm jasper]

Maybe I should just go into business

[viral osprey]

Which means you took them for courses, did well in their course, maybe did some research projects etc.

[viral osprey]

It's not as bad as it sounds

Well I don't think it is.

[royal basin]

vro you shouldnt overcomplicate things for yourself

if you want to do math then i dont see a reason to not do it from what you have said until now lol

just because you didnt get into this or that uni isnt the end

[storm jasper]

I don’t want to deal with the technicalities of the math world

[royal basin]

you could aim for a better uni for masters/phd

[storm jasper]

I just wanna explore

[viral osprey]

Fwiw my letter writers were my real analysis prof, my complex analysis prof and my abs lin alg prof.

The real analysis one I just took courses with.

[royal basin]

i mean i dont think what was discussed above is restricted to math

thats how admissions work in general

[viral osprey]

The ca one I took a course with and did an (unofficial) pointset reading course with because my ug did not offer that in the ug program and I was at max credits

The alg prof I also did a summer research project on some number theory topic with

None of this is anything special. Like, I just did undergrad and got good grades, then I did a couple extra things besides that.

Since you are already starting at higher level math than I did when I started ug you can probably do more than I did.

[storm jasper]

Idk the math world is NOT what I thought

[viral osprey]

Wdym?

[storm jasper]

I’m on analysis and point set top (will do alg too before 18 so yeah

[storm jasper]

Like

Idk

Lot of beefing

Weird to even enter the world

Lot of weird technicalities

[viral osprey]

Yeah, just make sure to not neglect the more basic undergrad topics and squeeze in as much extra shit as you can.

[viral osprey]

The vast majority of mathematicians I have met are very nice non-confrontational people

Except maybe a bit nerdy and reclusive.

I wouldn't let internet nerds decide what the culture is like irl for you.

[storm jasper]

I study two hrs a day on math, physics and random other stuff

I should lowkey study like

10 hrs a day

[royal basin]

like rn i am in a trash online private uni because i was forced to get into it for reasons, and now i am planning to try transferring into a public uni which is really good. If it works then thats good, if it doesnt then i would have to continue in this online uni and there wouldnt be much of a choice in front of me. But thats not the end of the world lol.

if i just get depressed and give up or whatever then nothing will really change, i wont see the admissions of that uni telling me its alright you can get in even dw about transfer exam. Instead, life will continue normally and no one (except family and close people) will care lmao

[viral osprey]

Idk it depends on what else you have going on, what your needs are, what your goals are, etc.

[storm jasper]

Erdos worked 19 hrs on just math

[grizzled bluff]

yo guys

[viral osprey]

You don't want to overwork yourself or make yourself hate math.

[grizzled bluff]

lol real asf

[storm jasper]

I mean I feel like this is my only purpose

[royal basin]

so just do what you can

[storm jasper]

I have no female and no one likes me besides a few close friends

[viral osprey]

I transferred from a small cc to my university. You got this.

[viral osprey]

Idk if I subscribe to the idea that I have a purpose. I just like math lol.

At the time it feels important, but that doesn't mean other things can't/couldn't be important.

[grizzled bluff]

ur not eridos mate

[royal basin]

the goat

[viral osprey]

Erdos is also not a great example to base your life around.

[royal basin]

yea things will probably work out nicely (hopefully)

[grizzled bluff]

exactly

U cant js

be eridos

[royal basin]

tho i have to study for the language which sucks

[viral osprey]

You shouldn't even really try to be.

[grizzled bluff]

well he also put that mich work

because it wasnt like today

where we habve advanced technology, quick yt videos etc

[viral osprey]

I have worked jobs with some wild hours in which people have been overworked to the point of getting killed or hospitalized due to accidents while driving or things along those lines.

[grizzled bluff]

eridos didnt have organic chem tutor

[storm jasper]

That work proportional to today’s technological advancements…

[royal basin]

sure, because i am better than him fr. Once he was trying to be like me

[storm jasper]

He studied nt bro

[viral osprey]

Your health is important. You aint gonna be doing much math if you wrap your car around a telephone pole and die.

[storm jasper]

[viral osprey]

You won't be doing much math if you overwork yourself until you hate it either lol

[storm jasper]

Have you heard of the saying

[grizzled bluff]

wait

[storm jasper]

Genius lies one story above madness

[grizzled bluff]

why do i have u added

ohh

bro

ur still in high school

ts cant be that deep

go do a sport

[viral osprey]

Which story do car crash victims lie on?

It's nice to romanticize things

[grizzled bluff]

ts guy

[viral osprey]

But you want to also take care of yourself along the way!

[grizzled bluff]

dootdooter

Lol

[viral osprey]

It's fun

Math I mean

[storm jasper]

Wait what where I say that

[storm jasper]

It rly depends

[grizzled bluff]

oop

[viral osprey]

You get my pt

[grizzled bluff]

i assumed this meant

ur in hs

sorry lol

[storm jasper]

Oh I forgot about that

I’m still on real analysis cause I’m lazy asf (this all changed with Penn rejection)

[royal basin]

The story of the dead

[grizzled bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-turtle-gif-3678937021774550753

[viral osprey]

SpoOoOookkKkkyyYyy 😱

[storm jasper]

Goated screenshot

[storm jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-dancing-skeletons-boo-cartoon-gif-18326832313355216882

I just like manifolds and topology

And

Idk

Alg top -> hodge conjecture…?!?!

[storm jasper]

What do you do to not hate math

LIKE

[viral osprey]

I think there's an element of that. But a lot of hobbies come with some fantasy of being this or that. Math is also just a fun thing to do.

I think the ppl that do it long term tend to be more motivated by things along the line of the latter.

[heavy needle]

The uni accepts them equivalently to transfer credits

Not sure if that answers

[royal basin]

my original question was dumb so nvm

but yea that answers the natural question

[ionic depot]

Literally me yesterday I got like 6 hours of sleep (across 2 days) and had to drive 2 hours there and back both days and by the time I was on my way back I was falling asleep periodically

Miracle I didn't end up in a ditch blacking out so often

[viral osprey]

Yeah, it's best to avoid driving if you haven't gotten enough sleep.

You could hurt yourself or somebody else.

If it's real bad you can usually just pull over somewhere quiet for a quick nap.

[storm jasper]

There is no thing called a stupid question

[royal basin]

well then my question was the first instance of this phenomenon

[storm jasper]

Doubtful

[devout sun]

bro has not been in my hs classes

[lament heath]

what are appropriate consequences for getting a B on calc

[lost drum]

some of us studied a lot and they prepared well but they didn't getted unexpected results like you expect 20/20 mark but you get 13/20

points are loosed because of lack knowing how to write well solutions .

First :say what you wanna do like let's proove that f is integrable second :say what is gived , what are the data's of the question , give a reintroduction of all hypothesis , notations ,different variables in one word all it's objects of the introduction

third write what you will use like theorem of pythagoras ,criteria of riemann .

fourth use it but do a complet proove with all steps

until you get the conclusion you wanted .

When we say with all steps I mean if there's a big step divide it into a lot of substeps and substeps into subsubsteps ..

the more you divide it into steps chances are not to loose poits even if dividing it

infinitely is impossible .

Because absolute rigour is not a possible end but if you did that as far as you can with the time of the exam

you get a complet mark but it's better to follow the structure of a tree

By giving for each step a title 1 and substep 2 a title..

@unkempt gorge

What you will say ?

[storm jasper]

Uh

Care to give context

[lament heath]

i want a deterrent to stop it from happening again

[lost drum]

I have a question :

did you study in US ?

[lament heath]

nope

[lost drum]

in france ?

[lament heath]

no?

[lost drum]

In witch country ?

Ah

it's better .

🥳

I needed help :

Library of mathematics of this century is in exponentiation

What is the most important field and what are the most important books of mathematics ? and what is the most important goal ?

[storm jasper]

Well

Your gpa absolute tanks, if your going into math or any stem field then you might be a bit cooked for getting accepted to good colleges

[lament heath]

im already in college and i feel like i shouldnt be here 😭

who tf does this badly on calc while already in college???

im sorry for being stupid

[storm jasper]

What you majoring in

[storm jasper]

Ur not stupid bro

[lament heath]

cs and math 😭 so i shouldnt be doing so badly

[storm jasper]

Well

One b doesn’t define you

Of course it makes you feel like shit but

[lament heath]

i should feel like shit

[storm jasper]

Bro

[lament heath]

if i didnt feel like shit there would be a bigger problem

[storm jasper]

Well

Yeah

The act of not performing well makes you feel shitty

What did you do to get the b

Did you study

And how did you study

[lament heath]

no 😭

[storm jasper]

Well, I’m pretty sure that’s the reason

[lament heath]

i need to be punished

[storm jasper]

Is it cold outside

Rn

[lament heath]

unfortunately not

[storm jasper]

I was gonna suggest go outside wearing minimal clothing for 10 minutes and think about being homeless (toxic study motivation fr)

This is a joke though

[lament heath]

no thats a good idea

[storm jasper]

Honestly I think metacognition is improtant, and understanding that YOU NEED TO STUDY FOR THE STUFF YOU DID BAD

[lament heath]

ty

[storm jasper]

Ur to harsh on yourself bro

What

[storm jasper]

Well what an actual good idea would be to fucking study

[lament heath]

i dont deserve to eat until i do something to fix this

tysm

[storm jasper]

Wrong way of thinking

Everyone deserves to eat bro

Getting a B does not constitute not eating…

[lament heath]

i dont have the right to feel sad tbh, it's entirely my fault that this happened

[storm jasper]

You should understand your mistake first (why you made the mistake which is why you got a b) and then work towards fixing that goal, in this case it’s because a lack of preparation, so you just need to study and prepare and you’ll do well

[storm jasper]

It still doesn’t constitute denying basic human rights

[lament heath]

to other people sure, but i can and should when it involves myself

[storm jasper]

Do you perhaps learn from your mistakes or

[lost drum]

There's a problem sometime : Is the innability to apply what we learn and overplaning

[lament heath]

i wish someone would force me to study

[storm jasper]

Get a study buddy bro.

Get someone to motivate you to continue

[storm jasper]

I mean then you need to think empirically

Like there are so many discord servers

Join a study server

[lament heath]

had plenty of motivation last semester but it didnt seem to work

idk, ill brb

[storm jasper]

Did you do anything though…?

Did you use your motivation

[lost drum]

Maybe one time you receive a lot of knowledj and advices from people , methods ,inspiring quotes..

Then the result you will be overwhelmed with wanting

to try to do all the things then you overthink and you overplan

[storm jasper]

Over planning is good

Up until a certain point

It’s all empirical from my perspective

[lost drum]

Yes but to move from a plan to an other and making to do lists you live in inaction .

It's the danger then you will not work .

[storm jasper]

There’s a very simple method

Count to 3, if you can think of a actual valid reason for not studying then don’t study

If you reach 3 then you must study

Or it’s like

You condition a certain state

Like when ur focused snap your finhers

Laterc when you want to study, snap your fingers and lock in

Honestly

I use a simple method also

[lament heath]

how do you enforce this tho

[storm jasper]

Yeah first time is the hardest

Uh

Okay

Are you free rn

[lament heath]

not rly but i will be soon

[storm jasper]

Just count to three

And go

Just don’t use your brain when you want to study and don’t try to contest it

[lament heath]

how do you enforce the rule tho

[storm jasper]

Well

Ideally

[lost drum]

now ,do it now ,do it now ..

[lament heath]

sorry i don't understand what you're typing

[storm jasper]

Punishment but only up to the point of discomfort

Just like

Do pushups or something idk

[lost drum]

There's an other method : say in you're self do it now ,do it now , do it now ..

[storm jasper]

Honestly just use the pomodoro method

[lament heath]

if only i was consistently as productive as i was on my flight back...

[storm jasper]

That doesn’t matter

Your to caught up in the past

Indeed lmao

Or buy them meals

Unless you do work

[lost drum]

Just take the action ,Dont think , dont plan ..do it now ,do it now ..

And you need to beleive absolutely that the difference that makes all the difference

[storm jasper]

Yeah basically stop living in the past and just focus

[lost drum]

is only the action .

Start by beleiving that

and never doubt about that .

Then in every situation take action immediately whatever is the situation .

[lament heath]

ty

[lost drum]

Yes then takes just actions , just continue working ..

and if you wanted to procrastinate say in you're self do it now, do it now ..

and beleive absolutely without doubts that without taking the action nothing changes .

then if you want to apply you're knowledj

take only useful ideas thouse who call the specefic action in order to be done

and take just little useful bits of knowledj and dont remember the rest to pay all you're attention on

to apply them or you get confused with multitasks .

@storm jasper

What you will say ?

[lost drum]

Me I had a story ,In my 3 month of holydays:

as me I was a procrastinator my mom

helped me to go to an office of motocycles

I worked their with social pressure of bosses ..

for 3 months .

[lament heath]

wdym, i've also had work experience for a few months
what's this supposed to tell me

[lost drum]

I worked approximatively 9 hours a day

for 5 days /week

[lament heath]

uh yeah

pretty sure that's how many full-time positions work

[jade furnace]

I've had executive dysfunction issues before.

What's helped me is setting deadlines for myself, doing things everyday at a certain time, and starting now instead of waiting.

Setting timers can also help as well.

[lost drum]

Be we suffered ,That made me consciousness

that without studying hard at university

I will risk to suffer all my life

[lament heath]

45h/week is very common with a degree too

[lost drum]

like thouse people .

[lament heath]

i don't know what your point is

[lament heath]

i'll be forced to keep a much stricter schedule next semester if i get the classes i want, so hopefully that helps

[jade furnace]

Yes! And you've got this!

[lament heath]

thank you <3

[jade furnace]

You're welcome!

[royal basin]

i might be late but did you check your exams after they were corrected?

[lament heath]

we don't get to

[royal basin]

like did you see what you did wrong etc.

ohhh i see

[lament heath]

i didn't complete almost half the paper though

[royal basin]

why tho? was the exam long or were you nervous because of the pressure/time constraint?

[lament heath]

i don't know, i don't know anyone who completed the paper either, but for my part i was doing questions much slower than usual

[royal basin]

I see. alright then try testing yourself at home by solving previous exams (like from previous years for example) but with the time constraint

if you do a bunch of exams in this way at home you will probably become faster in the exam

because you will have adapted to working under time pressure

it will probably still be more comfortable than the actual exam since you know that failing this practice test wont have consequences but still i think it will probably help

other than that i would say try your best to not care in the exam

by that i mean dont think about "what if this goes wrong" or things like that. well its hard and sounds idealistic lol

but if you try i think you might be able to reduce your nervousness in the exam even if slightly

just have confidence in your abilities and in the time you spent practicing/preparing at home

[lament heath]

i could do all the past exam questions i attempted and in much less time than the exam