Do you wanna scale the window manually, by hand; or in the code?
#game-development
umbral fulcrum
If you need to do it in your code, you can simply use pygame.transform.scale to your root display object and then create a new display object. But it may require to close the current window for a sec
I haven't tried that before, I'll check it out
burnt stump
@umbral fulcrum yes, that's what I've been pondering about
Do I have to create a new window copy every time the window is rescaled?
There's this, but I don't quite get it:
umbral fulcrum
I didn't even know that we can create a resible window in pygame
pygame.display.set_mode((width, hegiht), pygame.RESIZABLE)
burnt stump
You can, but it won't keep the aspect ratio
umbral fulcrum
And every time you resize the window, you get an pygame.VIDEORESIZE event
Yes, I'm coming to you problem
burnt stump
Sure
What I don't understand is: why do I specifically have to put a window within another window? That's a bit clumsy
burnt stump
@umbral fulcrum sure
thick forge
Hey, I am a little confused with this LOVE2D function, just started learning the basics. How do you implement or use the function love.graphics.setDefaultFilter()?? Because whenever i try i seem to get the arguements in the function wrong??
burnt stump
@umbral fulcrum still there?
serene flame
Hi, When i want to develop a game when should i consider Tkinter over Pygame? is that even makes sense ?
umbral fulcrum
Tkinter is a GUI library. If you want libraries/frameworks that are developed for creating games, you can try Pygame. There are also many other libraries like Pygame
Arcade, for example
dawn quiver
develop a game?
pygame and frameworks are better used for small prototypes
a full, released game will be harder to do
umbral fulcrum
Python is not the true language for game development, but yeah, you can have fun
imo, it's much better than starting with Unity or any other game engines
It forces you to understand how the actual game engines work
random frigate
but for getting started with Unity I have to learn C++ or C# am i right?
umbral fulcrum
Yes, C#
dawn quiver
Imagine if you can use Unity with python
hot crest
use ue4
random frigate
like I wanna build a game where you can have fights and these stuff there's no need to be 3d game...but Im a bit afraid of have some problems that I cant do with pygame
hot crest
it does support it but not everything is possible
umbral fulcrum
@random frigate start with simple stuff, see what you can do, that might expand you imagination for the game you want to create
umbral fulcrum
If ue4 engine supports python at some fields, you should be able to use any library you want
hot crest
random frigate
@umbral fulcrum yup I will try to spend some more time with it and see what I can do with it, also I just started with pygame, thanks for the advice.
umbral fulcrum
You're welcome, good luck
random frigate
u 2 (:
dawn quiver
Here's a pixel scene I did yesterday for my game c:
https://twitter.com/pancakebunn/status/1269433763764809735?s=21
umbral fulcrum
Dude, that looks terrific
I love pixel graphic based games, and basicly pixel art
The 'PX' at the end of my name actually abbreviation for pixel :))
burnt stump
@umbral fulcrum I tried to copy the window to a new variable and then do a transform operation
But I think I'm missing something, because the graphics are not showing
umbral fulcrum
I got that
burnt stump
elif event.type == pygame.VIDEORESIZE:
if event.w < 600:
event.w = 600
if event.h < 480:
event.h = 480
console.scaled_screen = console.screen.copy()
console.screen = pygame.transform.scale(console.scaled_screen, (event.w, event.h))
pygame.display.set_mode((event.w, event.h), pygame.RESIZABLE | pygame.HWSURFACE | pygame.DOUBLEBUF, 8)
console.refresh()
pygame.display.flip()
Somehow i cannot open pastebin site, unfortunetly i gotta paste the code here
import pygame
from copy import deepcopy
pygame.init()
current_width = default_width = 350
current_height = default_heigth = 250
root = pygame.display.set_mode((default_width, default_heigth), pygame.RESIZABLE)
main_surface = pygame.Surface((default_width,default_heigth))
main = True
while main:
main_surface = pygame.transform.scale(main_surface, (default_width, default_heigth))
main_surface.fill((255,255,255))
pygame.draw.circle(main_surface, (0,255,0), (100, 100), 50, 12)
for event in pygame.event.get():
if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
main = False
elif event.type == pygame.VIDEORESIZE:
root = pygame.display.set_mode((event.w, event.h), pygame.RESIZABLE)
current_width, current_height = event.w, event.h
main_surface = pygame.transform.scale(main_surface, (current_width, current_height))
root.blit(main_surface, (0, 0))
pygame.display.update()
Basicly: at the beginning you're choosing your default window size. If we resize the window, the current size will change. But we want to draw things according to our normal size, than scale them to the current size
the first line in the while loop scales the surface to our orriginal size
After that, you can do everything you want
At the end, it scales the surface to current size
and somehow, i couln't use the original 'root' surface that we define at the beginning
So i decided to create another surface, use it as a core surface and blit it to my 'root' surface's (0, 0) coordinates
I hope you understand
burnt stump
Sorta
Here is what I tried to do
Whenever there is a resize event, just copy the contents of the original screen to a copy screen, then make the original screen take a transformed copy, then update
Would that also work?
umbral fulcrum
It does the scaling part every frame
burnt stump
Oh, no
I'm working on a console-type application
so, there are no complex animations
@umbral fulcrum my code is not working at all though
I just get a blank screen
Can you help me understand what am I doing wrong?
dawn quiver
How’s does game development work in python because I’m not sure really about the graphics and stuff like what type of games are we talking about here
The graphics you do with game engines and graphics modules, like every other language...
And you can make any type of game you want
But how
I have never seen a python game with graphics that use stuff like vulka
Vulkan*
burnt stump
@dawn quiver You use libraries, which is a way you can "borrow" code from somebody else.
dawn quiver
Do you know any?
burnt stump
One example is the library we are discussing right now, Pygame
Which is actually an SDL library wrapper
burnt stump
@dawn quiver it's a library for drawing into the screen
And also for accessing a computer's sound system
dawn quiver
But is there anyway to make it use graphics
Like a game that has some nice looking OpenGL graphics
burnt stump
Sure
It depends on the library you are using
You have functions to say "load this image at window X, position X, Y"
dawn quiver
But if I get it right python isn’t for complex games like counter strike because they use a lot of graphics rendering and requires a lot of attention building and either way doesn’t run as smooth and that is why every good game (almost) uses cpp
umbral fulcrum
@dawn quiver https://www.pygame.org/tags/all you can check this page to see what people have done with pygame before
'good game' expression is very subjective, but yeah, c++ runs pretty much faster than python
It's because python is not developed for that purpose
burnt stump
@dawn quiver there's no such thing as what you say. Python can be compiled with tools such as PyPy or Cython
you can also use inline assembly
By the way
This is a pure Python Gameboy emulator
it uses Cython, I believe
dawn quiver
What is Cython?
burnt stump
Python translated to C
umbral fulcrum
I'm not really sure about what I'll say, but i guess python compile itself right before it runs, also it uses dynamic variables, these some things that make python slow
burnt stump
And then compiled
umbral fulcrum
Yes, there is PyPy for the first one
burnt stump
@umbral fulcrum not necessarily
I mean, Python doesn't necessarily compile itself before it runs
BUT you can make it do it
umbral fulcrum
Every language needs to be compiled before it runs
burnt stump
Not necessarily. I mean, not directly
I'm writing something that doesn't directly need to be compiled
It's based on Applesoft BASIC
umbral fulcrum
My knowledge about this topic was pretty wrong
But i also couldn't understand what exactly happens when you run a python script
I just read this
def hey(x):
print(undefined_variable)
Even though there is an undefined variable, when you run this, it won't give you any error
But I'm a little bit confused about what that proves
next steeple
python is compiled interpreted
Python is a “COMPILED INTERPRETED” language. Means when Python program is run, First Python checks for program syntax. Compiles and converts it to bytecode and directly bytecode is loaded in system memory.
@umbral fulcrum can you help me understand something?
fiery magnet
potent ice
Just start somewhere. Arcade is easy to start with at least. What you do with arcade will translate to other libraries anyway
This is assuming you are mainly doing 2D stuff
potent ice
Sometimes
burnt stump
Do you understand how keeping aspect ratio works?
I'm trying to use Pygame.transform.scale, and the best I can get is this:
This is supposed to be a cursor
@potent ice What am I doing wrong?
I'm trying to obtain height and width from the VIDEORESIZE event, but apparently, if you try to obtain current height from event.w, this causes a loop
potent ice
No idea, but maybe this is relevant? : https://stackoverflow.com/questions/34910086/pygame-how-do-i-resize-a-surface-and-keep-all-objects-within-proportionate-to-t
I know the new dev10 release have a new scaled mode that is supposed to be faster
burnt stump
I just tried it
but it's buggy
It introduces a few bugs in my code, e.g, the cursor stops blinking, and there's no repeated typing while pressing down
potent ice
hmm. No idea. I normally use pygame in combination with opengl so all scaling is done in opengl
burnt stump
How?
foggy python
@burnt stump so you want your stuff to scale upon VIDEORESIZE while maintaining the same aspect ratio of your images? This means you'll be showing different amounts of content depending on the aspect ratio of the window. It becomes more of a math thing than a Pygame thing. You may want to bind certain elements of your project to certain sides of the screen (using math). For the rest, just pick an axis and stretch the surface you're rendering onto to fit the axis you chose. For the other axis, you'll have to add content (depends on what you're doing) as it expands. As a side note, if you're resizing images you're rending, you'll need to keep in mind that Pygame doesn't blur with resizes, so things will look weird if you aren't careful.
On an unrelated note:
burnt stump
@foggy python that’s exactly what I want
There are no images, just text
The problem is that trying to modify or access event.w and event.h is triggering a loop
Pygame 2.0-dev 6 has the behavior I want, but it’s very buggy
foggy python
what do you mean by triggering a loop?
burnt stump
@foggy python I mean the event resize loop gets called several times
In some cases, “eternally”
foggy python
I don’t have that issue and I’m on 2.dev6
which is odd
you might be doing something wrong
serene flame
@umbral fulcrum
I was able to develop downloadable Blackjack game and then I realized so many functionalities are easier with PyGame..
So i kinda felt like I
... waste my time with the Tkinter lol
umbral fulcrum
There aren't any UI elements in Pygame, that's why it was easier to me to create that game in Tkinter. It took me a couple of hours back then, shouldn't be hard.
Is that GIF from one of your games @foggy python ?
potent ice
@foggy python Tested dev10?
foggy python
@umbral fulcrum yes
@potent ice dev6 has been pretty stable and I’ve heard of a ton of issues on the newer releases, so I’m sticking with 6 for now.
foggy python
Hi?
burnt stump
@foggy python I can't really understand how pygame.transform.scale works
I can figure out it rescales something to a target resolution
but for some reason, I can't use it properly
For example
elif event.type == pygame.VIDEORESIZE:
if event.w < 600:
event.w = 600
if event.h < 480:
event.h = 480
console.scaled_screen = console.screen.copy()
console.width = event.w
console.height = event.h
pygame.transform.scale(console.screen, (console.width, console.height))
console.screen.blit(console.scaled_screen, (0,0))
'''console.refresh()'''
pygame.display.update()
This doesn't work
(it has no effect)
foggy python
Are you trying to resize your main rendering surface?
Just redefine it with new dimensions.
burnt stump
@foggy python I'm trying to scale it
dawn quiver
elif event.type == pygame.VIDEORESIZE:
if event.w <600:
event.w = 600
if event.h <480:
event.h = 480
console.scaled_screen = console.screen.copy ()
console.width = event.w
console.height = event.h
pygame.transform.scale (console.screen, (console.width, console.height))
console.screen.blit (console.scaled_screen, (0,0))
'' 'console.refresh ()' ''
pygame.display.update ()
I do not understand
c to do what?
burnt stump
Sorry, what?
foggy python
I did a video on window resizing. I’m busy atm tho so I can’t link it.
You can google for it tho
burnt stump
What should I Google for?
burnt stump
@foggy python I managed to scale the screen. The command prompt is upscaled, but when drawing the cursor, it still draws to the old size.
because It's a separate event.
foggy python
So your issue is that you’re only scaling some of your stuff?
burnt stump
@foggy python I think so. Trying to draw to a main window and then upscaling fixed some of them, but not all.
Instead, I have this now:
foggy python
That looks like you aren’t clearing your screen every frame and you scaled the display once
formal seal
in games, you have to clear every frame otherwise everything will be drawn on top of each other
foggy python
You also need to scale what you’re rendering
Normally I render onto an intermediary surface and scale that before blitting to the main surface
burnt stump
I just tried to do that
But the prompt is not upscaling
Do you mind if I show you the source code?
burnt stump
Ooooh... no wonder it wasn't working
Apparently, Pygame scale images and fonts differently
formal seal
just for future info: most engines or libs for game dev will scale images and fonts differently
burnt stump
It would be much easier if Pygame scaled this automatically from the beginning.
I know version 2.0 has a SCALED argument, but it breaks a lot of stuff in my code
and it doesn't seem to work properly for some reason
(e.g, only works sometimes)
random frigate
whats up guys, if any of you make 2d game chracater can you tell me what programs you used for that,because Im looking for a simple one for a beginner (me) ?
formal seal
a game engine?
random frigate
@formal seal Im using pygame
forest pebble
you guys are so smart. lol. i have no idea whats happening.
@random frigate if your doing a pixel art game, aseprite is amazing, its 20 dollars.
burnt stump
Does pygame have a quick way to convert a font to an image?
random frigate
@forest pebble thanks I will check it out,also do you know any free other programs?
frozen knoll
@burnt stump Arcade includes scaling and rotation. You can also set a viewport to scale the whole window. Works at the hardware level so it is pretty fast.
forest pebble
@random frigate Gimp, GraphicsGale, Piskel, Lospec, Krita, and Paint.net are all free
random frigate
@forest pebble thanks I downloaded GraphicsGale hope it will be good
dawn quiver
why don't people created games where you can earn money in the actual game?
maybe like for every other player you defeat you get $0.0001
Or will the developer be giving away a lot of money
frozen knoll
Why don't you pay someone else for defeating monsters in a game? You could start it. Just need a pile of money and some legal stuff.
burnt stump
@frozen knoll Arcade?
formal seal
it's a lib
burnt stump
Oooooh
formal seal
for programming 2d graphics for python I think
burnt stump
Dude, I was reading some Applesoft documentation, written in the 80s
It's so ridiculously clear it makes me cry
formal seal
that sucks
burnt stump
I just keep comparing it to today's documentation, and I keep thinking
"What happened?"
formal seal
I don't know, there's good documentation out there
formal seal
eh, I've seen better than Microsoft's docs
but I can't argue since I have to focus on programming right now
burnt stump
@formal seal the point though is that it's very well-written
formal seal
I am not deniying that it's just that you can't compare that with documentation because it's a guide
burnt stump
I don't even see many guides like that today
How many guides do you have that teach Pygame in a clearer way?
formal seal
I don't use pygame so I don't have any guides for it
burnt stump
This is Applesoft's BASIC reference manual, btw
That's what it calls itself, at least
This is a quick reference guide:
formal seal
see the difference?
burnt stump
But even here, it's still veeeery clear
formal seal
yes it is
formal seal
makes sense
frozen knoll
@burnt stump Arcade: https://arcade.academy
And that Applesoft manual was one of the books that taught me programming. What a trip back.
dawn quiver
hello
torpid pewter
is there any way in pygame to rotate a sprite image around a specific point?
young topaz
How would you do AHK's version of PixelGetColor (https://www.autohotkey.com/docs/commands/PixelGetColor.htm) in python?
exotic fern
hello
jagged plume
Is python actually a good language for game dev
exotic fern
how would i smoothen the edges?
while raytracing
i read that one can apply anti-aliasing and some post-processing after the raytracing is done
but how exactly?
fervent rose
Anti-aliasing seems like the way to go here
I don't exactly remember how that work, but basically you do some additional samples between pixels, and use the median value for your actual pixel
Although, you should also increase your render size or sampling
fierce wraith
@exotic fern do you have a slightly higher res version of that?
something around 640x480
dawn quiver
Hey everyone, for a school exam i need a python bot for a simple game can be anything and analyze it does anyone have a game bot in python that he/she can give me (can be any game, browser or etc etc)
fierce wraith
this is a 3x3 blur kernel on the edges of the img, using 35% alpha blend
side by side:
right now the edges get quite a bit darker because your background is just black.
if you make it transparent, it will look better
and it will also look a lot better if you use a slightly higher render resolution, because there is only so much you can get out of a 320x200 image 😉
so first we find the edges, and then we blur them to get this
thats our mask for blurring the main image
but because just blurring the image in those areas looks very blurry, we combine the blurred areas with the non blurry image by alpha blending them
that way you can control how visibly blurry the edges are
and by changing the kernel size you can decide how broad the blur should be
def anti_alias(img, kernel_size=(3, 3), alpha_blend=0.35):
"""
perform post processing anti-aliasing on the given image
:param img: input image
:param kernel_size: size of blur kernel
:param alpha_blend: [0-1] alpha weight of blurred image
:return: anti-aliased image
"""
beta = 1.0 - alpha_blend
# find the edges and blur the image
# 100 and 200 are threshold values.
# Feel free to play with them if you aren't happy with the edge detection. (widen for more edges, narrow for less)
edges = cv2.GaussianBlur(cv2.Canny(img, 100, 200), kernel_size, cv2.BORDER_DEFAULT)
blurred_main_image = cv2.GaussianBlur(img, kernel_size, cv2.BORDER_DEFAULT)
# if you want to take a look at the detected edges
# cv2.imwrite("edges.png", edges)
# weight the images based on alpha
blurred_main_image[np.where(edges != 0)] = (
blurred_main_image[np.where(edges != 0)] * alpha_blend
)
img[np.where(edges != 0)] = img[np.where(edges != 0)] * beta
# combine them
img[np.where(edges != 0)] += blurred_main_image[np.where(edges != 0)]
return img
rancid inlet
im trying to write a class where a function takes input from the init function as an argument
can someone help me with that?
umbral fulcrum
@torpid pewter you can use a little bit of math
Rotate the image, then rotate the position of your image due to the other point's position
umbral fulcrum
Wrong ping, sorry
fervent rose
Welcome to the @fierce wraith CG classes, sit tight and listen carefully haha
fierce wraith
hehe
its really a super simple algo using tools already out there
i think fxaa does some other fancy stuff, but this is just what i could come up with real quick
proud shadow
Hey so even though I'm still rather new to Python, would it be a good idea to pick up a game dev library while I'm still learning?
fierce wraith
arcade is pretty cool! and friendly for beginners
merry echo
What are you using for raytracing?
long rain
I can't install pygame 😭
proud holly
I don't know if this is technically considered game development but Im making a simple turtle hangman game in shell and I am encountering some small issues. If someone could help that would be great
merry echo
!ask
frank fieldBOT
fierce wraith
@merry echo i didnt do the actual raytracing, that was @exotic fern i just had some fun with post processing Anti-Aliasing
proud holly
This loop seems to bug out the turtle graphics, whenever I type any letter it bugs out even if it a correct choice. This is for a simple hangman program
pliant dust
@proud holly this is just a guess, but it might be because the if statements should be changed to else if. That may be causing confusion for the computer. (First section is if with elif, and number of guesses is a seperate if/elif section)
dawn quiver
Is python actually a good language for game dev
@jagged plume Depends
The general answer is no
It's not
lunar dawn
The general answer is no
@dawn quiver
Maybe C#, since Python is for beginners? I'm just guessing here
dawn quiver
There is no such thing as "for beginners" unless you are talking about scratch level programming
Python is relatively "beginner friendly" that doesn't mean it's for beginners
Python is just not integrated into some of the bigger game engines
lunar dawn
Ah I see, but is C# still the go-to option in most cases?
dawn quiver
C# is what unity uses
Unreal use C++ I believe
Unreal also supports a bunch of other stuff like Javascript and python
lunar dawn
Interesting
C# is what unity uses
@dawn quiver
I might stick to both python and unity
After all, I've only learnt python for like 2 days
proud holly
@pliant dust it turns out it was because I put it in a weird section that was making it be called every refresh tic in the while loop. It made like 30 or 40 bodies in a second and it was too much for my crappy computer. I just moved it so it was under the else statement and it seemed to work
exotic fern
this is a 3x3 blur kernel on the edges of the img, using 35% alpha blend
@fierce wraith wow thanks for this.
is there anything i can do to improve the quality during rendering?
and how do you make the background transparent?
right now what i do is if the ray does not hit any object just colour it black
also do you know how we can model a material like glass?
fierce wraith
Just set the alpha channel to be Transparent
Instead of black
Glass is modeled with refraction
Check the refraction section on that article
It explains the math pretty well
If you need any help figuring out ping me
Yeah during rendering you can just sample more @exotic fern
You can do msaa ssaa and many others
exotic fern
pYeah during rendering you can just sample more
@fierce wraith what is meant by sampling?
fierce wraith
Ah more rays
exotic fern
Just set the alpha channel to be Transparent
@fierce wraith and what do you mean by alpha channel?
fierce wraith
More is better!
So pictures are RGB but they can also be RGBA
With the last channel being alpha
How transparent something is
exotic fern
Ah more rays
@fierce wraith i have a question, like how do i make more rays? right now i am projecting one ray so i project multiple rays?
So pictures are RGB but they can also be RGBA
@fierce wraith ah okay got it
so it means that my image will ahve 4 channels?
fierce wraith
You mean you you are projecting one ray per pixel?
exotic fern
how does projecting multiple rays help?
You mean you you are projecting one ray per pixel?
@fierce wraith yes
fierce wraith
Yeah, 4channels
So either you initially set the image size to 4x what you want, project one ray per pixel and then scale the image back down
Or you just send 4 rays per pixel with offsets from the center of the pixel and average them
The second option has a bunch of different options for where in the pixels the rays are
Like random, just spaced evenly, blue noise, white noise, random offsets from certain points, different patterns of fix points
exotic fern
Or you just send 4 rays per pixel with offsets from the center of the pixel and average them
@fierce wraith so i would average the 'color' got from the 4 pixels is that right?
So either you initially set the image size to 4x what you want, project one ray per pixel and then scale the image back down
@fierce wraith does this method have a name?
fierce wraith
Or you can go as far as to try adaptive superpersampling where you decide how many rays per pixel based on some criteria
exotic fern
thanks!
fierce wraith
So one ray per pixel and sacling down later vs multiple rays per pixel and averaging is exactly the same thing
Just some slight mem savings on the second one I guess
Is called multisampling or supersampling
They are all very similar
I'd just give them a quick google
All of this raytracing talk is making me want to get back into it!
exotic fern
its really interesting!!
i might look into some machine learnign approaches for ray tracing as well
it seems like a good place to apply that
fierce wraith
Now you're just making me jealous ;)
exotic fern
😄
fierce wraith
Usually you go up to like 128+ samples per pixel to get nice and smooth results...
Raytracing on the CPU is pretty slow
visual bobcat
hi does somebody know of an alternative way to open an .png file in pygame, i have tried pygame.image.load() but it prints out an err.?
pygame.error: Couldn't open maze.png```That would normally happen when your image is not in the same directory as your python file.
Or you are hiding file extensions and your image is really maze.png.png
visual bobcat
it is in the same file an i just checked the extension and it looks good
i tried to import os and giving it a directory to run but with no success
and its wierd because it worked just fine yasterday
pliant dust
@visual bobcat you might try explicitly stating the path of the image from the root. I don’t know if that would work, but it’s worth a try.
smoky marsh
hey im getting into this and using a pygame tutorial, im on the first page and its already acting up
i put a basic red surface on the screen and it doesnt show up except when i drag the window so part of it is out of my monitor
frank fieldBOT
smoky marsh
ok
init()
screen=display.set_mode((500,500))
background = Surface((500,500))
background.fill((255,0,0))
background=background.convert()
screen.blit(background,(0,250))```just what was on the tutorial i was looking at
umbral fulcrum
Is that your entire code?
umbral fulcrum
And, are you getting any error?
umbral fulcrum
First of all, using * importing isn't healty at so many cases, use import pygame instead
smoky marsh
ill try that
umbral fulcrum
Then you gotta replace most of the classes/variables with pygame. at the beginning
So your new code will be like this:
import pygame
pygame.init()
screen = pygame.display.set_mode((500,500))
background = pygame.Surface((500,500))
background.fill((255,0,0))
background = background.convert()
screen.blit(background,(0,250))
i still have the same problem
umbral fulcrum
And i didn't quite understand why are you converting the background
smoky marsh
because it said so in the tutorial i looked at
and when i got rid of that it still happened
umbral fulcrum
Yes, you're creating your window so far, but because there is no other action, the window will close right after it opens
I think you should keep watching/reading that tutorial
This is just the beginning
smoky marsh
i just get a blank window and when i drag the window so it is off the monitor then the section that was off the monitor renders correctly
umbral fulcrum
It's not off the monitor, the window is closed
umbral fulcrum
I'm running the same code you pasted, this is what i see:
pygame 1.9.6
Hello from the pygame community. https://www.pygame.org/contribute.html
[Finished in 1.4s]
Let me give you a basic example
import pygame
pygame.init()
root = pygame.display.set_mode((500,500))
clock = pygame.time.Clock()
main = True
while main:
for event in pygame.event.get():
if event.type == pygame.QUIT:
main = False
root.fill((128,0,0))
pygame.display.update()
clock.tick(120)
pygame.quit()
The very basic structure of pygame looks like this
You need a mainloop first. Then pygame.time.Clock object to prevent your script run million times a second, pygame.display.update() is for update everything you have and changed, and also, there must be a way out of our mainloop, otherwise your program will crash without any action. So collect all the events and look if we decided to close our window, if we did so, then set main to false - which will break the loop - and quit
As i said, you should learn everything step by step, you can continue the tutorial you started
Also, pygame's documentation is very user friendly, you can check that too
smoky marsh
thanks, that fixed it
umbral fulcrum
You're welcome
fierce trench
How can I add music to my pygame?
mint zenith
minor mortar
it should support ogg also
and whatever SDL mixer supports
trim bluff
I think it only supports WAV files, so keep that in mind.
@mint zenith You could export it to some DAW and then export it back as a WAV
vast marten
How can I add music to my pygame?
@fierce trench pygame.mixer.music
random frigate
guys I wanna create a game but im actually afraid of drawing things(even though the game is 2d and kinda pixel art) but I don't know much about drawing and stuff like these can you give me any advices for how I can learn it faster or be good at it?
tardy marsh
How to release tkinter application after development
I have developed a tkinter application in pycharm
How to convert it to exe file
dawn quiver
trace stuff @random frigate
As in existing things
Or u could buy them
if tracing stuff just add a few extra things to avoid copyright
random frigate
@dawn quiver you mean by trace like draw stuff?
nimble tide
@tardy marsh use pyinstaller
fierce wraith
@exotic fern did you get glass working?
exotic fern
@exotic fern did you get glass working?
@fierce wraith not yet, i was busy with some other stuff, i will tag you if i get around to completing it!
dusk bronze
need pygame help on #help-dumpling
dawn quiver
i want to make a game in pygame thats like doom 1993 what would get me started?
exotic fern
@fierce wraith btw that thing about RGBA channels
i am encoding my image in a PPM format right now
does it support RGBA?
i dont think so
dawn quiver
Can someone help me make a snake console game ```
import time
import keyboard as kb
import random as rand
gameOver = False
score = 0
direction = 0
xpos = 0
ypos = 0
fypos = 0
fxpos = 0
if gameOver:
print("You died.")
print("Your score was:", score)
time.sleep(20)
quit()
def framerate(fps=1):
while not gameOver:
time.sleep(fps)
map()
snake()
def map(wide=20, tall=20):
for t in range(tall):
for w in range(wide):
if (t==0 or t==(tall-1) or (w==0 or w==(wide-1))):
print(end="#")
else:
print(end=" ")
print()
key = input("Enter Key: ")
def snake(head="@", body="=", mass=0, dead=False, y_pos=0, x_pos=0, dir=0):
snake_size = head + (body * mass)
while not dead:
print(snake_size) #dir 0 = UP, dir 1 = LEFT, dir 2 = DOWN, dir 3 = RIGHT
if y_pos == 20:
dead = True
elif x_pos == 20:
dead = True
score = mass
if dead:
gameOver = True
def food(style="*", efood=False):
x = rand.randrange(1, 18)
y = rand.randrange(1, 18)
if efood == True:
x = rand.randrange(1, 18)
y = rand.randrange(1, 18)
print(style)
efood = False
if (xpos == fxpos and ypos == fypos):
efood = True
#Game starts here:
framerate()
candid sandal
Can someone help me make a snake console game ```
import time
import keyboard as kb
import random as rand
gameOver = False
score = 0
direction = 0
xpos = 0
ypos = 0
fypos = 0
fxpos = 0
if gameOver:
print("You died.")
print("Your score was:", score)
time.sleep(20)
quit()
def framerate(fps=1):
while not gameOver:
time.sleep(fps)
map()
snake()
def map(wide=20, tall=20):
for t in range(tall):
for w in range(wide):
if (t==0 or t==(tall-1) or (w==0 or w==(wide-1))):
print(end="#")
else:
print(end=" ")
print()
key = input("Enter Key: ")
def snake(head="@", body="=", mass=0, dead=False, y_pos=0, x_pos=0, dir=0):
snake_size = head + (body * mass)
while not dead:
print(snake_size) #dir 0 = UP, dir 1 = LEFT, dir 2 = DOWN, dir 3 = RIGHT
if y_pos == 20:
dead = True
elif x_pos == 20:
dead = True
score = mass
if dead:
gameOver = True
def food(style="*", efood=False):
x = rand.randrange(1, 18)
y = rand.randrange(1, 18)
if efood == True:
x = rand.randrange(1, 18)
y = rand.randrange(1, 18)
print(style)
efood = False
if (xpos == fxpos and ypos == fypos):
efood = True
#Game starts here:
framerate()
@dawn quiver just a tip but start to use Object Oriented Programming aka oop
fierce wraith
@exotic fern im not sure, but i suggest you use the imageio lib, it handles a bunch of formats, but is super lightweight
it has two functions, imwrite and imread (self explanatory)
you can pass a numpy array to imwrite
probably even a python list, not sure about that though
no, needs to be a np array, but thats not to hard to get 😉
here is the list of formats imageio supports: https://imageio.readthedocs.io/en/stable/formats.html
i used to use either ppm or something like pillow to read/write images, but it really doesnt get any simpler/lightweight than imageio
oak python
Is there any tools that will enable me to make maps for pygame?
(In game terrain/map)
random frigate
Guys how to make player stand in a block so like when the player jump if he fall at a block he stand at it and don't fall all the way down?
with pygame do I have to add some kind of a hitbox if this make any sense?
frozen knoll
@oak python Check out the "tiled map editor"
broken sequoia
how would you guys get a movement system in a terminal rpg?
dawn quiver
@random frigate as in put a paper that's thin over an existing image and trace over it if u want and then add some changes to it free style
or just use stickmen idk
vernal terrace
Hey guys, does anyone know if when I'm going to create a game to sell at Discord (I mean by paying for the dev licence and having store channels in my server) I have to first create an app and create based on that, or I can just link the game with the application later? If so, how?
dawn quiver
how to make 3d game in python
fervent rose
You mainly don't haha, but if you are really motivated (and like boilerplate code) you can take a look at pandas3d
knotty slate
Hi, I'm having a little bit of an issue with Pygame. Whenever I try and run my program, I get a TypeError, stating that I can't pickle font objects. When I comment out all of my text related code, it then says that it can't pickle Surface objects.
Is pygame known to have issues with pickling in certain scenarios? My code doesn't use pickling, and the only major changes I've made since last time I ran the code were organisational.
I get as far as rendering a scene, and then I click on play, call another set of rendering methods and it all crashes.
fierce wraith
are you using multiprocessing somehow?
knotty slate
No, just the one thread
fierce wraith
hm. weird
knotty slate
I'm gonna start placing breakpoints to see exactly where it all falls apart but I really don't know what the root issue could be.
Ok, it seems to all break on this line.
Are there any alternatives to copying an instance like this?
fierce wraith
well do you actually need a deepcopy?
knotty slate
I don't remember the distinctions between the different types of copies
I wrote this a while ago 😅
I'll look it up quickly
Actually, wait, I don't need a copy at all
I've reworked this part of the code.
No longer having a pickling issue. Thanks for pointing it out! lol
I guess pygame objects dont like being copied at all, makes sense.
olive knoll
@knotty slate with what program are you coding it ?
knotty slate
I'm using Pygame and Python
olive knoll
Python as a coding language or the program ?
knotty slate
Python as the language. I'm using VSC to write it.
Misunderstood the question, sorry
olive knoll
No problem thanks.
rancid inlet
I am going to be working on my chess engine. if anyone would like to join a voice call and discuss it with me let me know
dawn quiver
anybody have tips for me a beginning coder? (im learning as of this minute)
rancid inlet
codecademy
also many tutorials on youtube
socratica is a great channel
also sentdex
Tech with Tim
@dawn quiver
tall pewter
@dawn quiver Good luck on your trip btw
random frigate
@dawn quiver also there's a channel called kidscancode I heard a good stuff about it,there's pygame tutroial there
frozen knoll
@dawn quiver Check out https://learn.arcade.academy
dawn quiver
lol so many pings but tysm
random frigate
np, guys do I need to use ML with making enimes attack the player?
umbral fulcrum
You can create a simple ai, you don't have to use machine learning for a simple 'find and shoot' enemy. But of course, I don't know what are you dealing with
random frigate
@umbral fulcrum I want to create a game where a bot can fight a player ,but I want to make it hard to defeat it. Do it need ML is this situation?
buoyant swallow
It depends on what the game is. For example if it's a shooting-like game you could just program the bot yourself and give it very high stats like accuracy and agility
random frigate
@buoyant swallow most of the fights in game will meele wepons and some body movments its about naruto anime if you know it
carmine abyss
oak python
@frozen knoll It's available on ubuntu i hope? sorry for the ping
grand imp
If you expect to provide multiple frontends to a game (curses, a graphical GUI), would it be bad form to make a single repo host multiple python packages?
For example, assume the curses frontend is the built-in default, but there's also a non-curses one. Would it be acceptable to have a a git structure as below?
git_root
game_module
game_graphical_frontend
the pypi packages would then all have the same homepage
There might be other front-ends for other graphical systems as well eventually
remote sand
how would you scale the whole window according to hidpi settings in arcade?
grand imp
im not sure that it exposes that functionality directly at the moment
i may have asked about it in the arcade server though
split aspen
I hope its the right section for this, and my question is bearable but What are the pros and cons of kivy and Pygame?
grand imp
Kivy is very good if you want to run on mobile, but it has some strange issues on OS X that likely aren't going to be resolved any time soon
pygame is an old framework that seems to be fairly stable and unlikely to change
you can use it with GL wrappers, but that may not be the best idea right now as opengl might be getting deprecated sometime soon on mac
If you're a beginner, imo arcade is a much better library
you lose some fine grained control with it, but it's very easy to get your project going
I think all of the libraries may have some issues on OS X actually
but 90% of users won't run into them
@split aspen what do you want to build, and how much experience do you have?
split aspen
With python i have less than 3 Months experience of coding
grand imp
do you want playable results fast?
split aspen
I'm just trying to learn an Additional language
grand imp
Kivy is very powerful but it can be very confusing, and requires you to effectively learn 1 and a half new languages that aren't useful anywhere else
Arcade will let you get a game up fast, but it doesn't yet have a good UI framework built in
also i don't think arcade has ways of building for mobile right now
split aspen
Hmm interesting, Thank you. @grand imp
grand imp
Going the other direction from arcade, Kivy can be argued to be a UI framework
but also a framework for doing other things
It also has a builtin framework for settings panels, but it is extremely mobile oriented
i don't recommend that for beginners
Why do you want to try a new language now?
3 months isn't really that much time as far as getting to know python and programming in general, especially if it's your first language.
split aspen
It's not my first
I'm just trying to add a secondary language since It seems pretty effective (Less typing, More results)
split aspen
Oh i was using c#
grand imp
lol
split aspen
The amounts of ";" ive missed are bigger than human sins combined
grand imp
what IDE are you using?
split aspen
VS
grand imp
hm, i though it would help with that
split aspen
its perfect
remote sand
may i ask, what's the arcade support server's link?
wait
this is the one?
i joined and it's animal crossing...
leaden lynx
https://discord.gg/f9tgMj this one
remote sand
ah thanks
mint plaza
...
neon hinge
leaden lynx
You could also ask any questions here
remote sand
how would you scale the whole window according to hidpi settings in arcade?
arcade does not seem to have a builtin support for that
pygame has it in the latest beta/alpha versions iirc
dawn quiver
Right now im reading the pygame docs and it's looking kinda THICC and with that I mean old so it doesn't make a nice documentation like discord.py 😦
Do they have a readthedocs page?
remote sand
Unfortunately the official pygame docs is like that
Though there are other resources
random frigate
@dawn quiver if you want a tutorial there's a good one https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzMcBGfZo4-lp3jAExUCewBfMx3UZFkh5
undone depot
I got a question
What are the best colleges in the US for game development or just to major in computer science in general?
dawn quiver
first=int(input('Who Is The Coolest?'))
print(first)
help?
@dawn quiver im new but i think you forgot the " inwho is coolest cause now its not a string
no you can use ' ' but thanks
ok
random frigate
@dawn quiver so where's the error?
dawn quiver
ive fixed it
random frigate
Oh ok nice
dawn quiver
lol i suck
tall pewter
Guys btw rotating an image is not working in pygame
I have a variable player which is :
player = {
"x": 10,
"y": 10,
"img": pygame.image.load("player.png")
}
dense bone
oke so, i got this question as i don't seem to find anything related to in on youtube. I want to make a 3d character respond by with animation to this type of code. My question is what should i be doing in order to have it move?
frozen knoll
Rotation works in Pygame, it just isn't super-easy. Nor is it hardware accelerated. (It is pretty easy in Arcade though. cough cough)
tall pewter
And when I try to do :
for event in pygame.event.get():
if event.type == MOUSMOTION:
player["img"] = pygame.transform.rotate(player["img"],int(angle))
It doesn't rotate
It just gets bigger when my mouse gets near it
And if you are curious , my angle variable is :
angle = (180 / math.pi) * -math.atan2(rel_y, rel_x)
And rel_y is mouse positon y - player y and rel_x is mouse position x - player x
I just wanted to make a top down shooter
frozen knoll
If you aren't set on pygame, rotation is easy in Arcade. Just set the angle of the sprite. https://arcade.academy/examples/sprite_bullets_enemy_aims.html#sprite-bullets-enemy-aims
random frigate
@dawn quiver np these things happen too much at the beginning its ok, also its nice from you to try to help (:
dawn quiver
ty
random frigate
np.
Guys how I can make the hitbox move with the pic
like if the resolution of the screen changed how I can deal with it?
like if a pic like this and I want to make an object over the things that are under the waterful if the resolution of the screen changed how I can change the place of the object also?
split aspen
what if you just lock it to one resolution :c
dawn quiver
just increase res and increase the size of the ibjects by the percent you changed the rez too
@random frigate
i think
split aspen
How do you put that in code@dawn quiver
split aspen
I'm asking as well, Tryna have the same vision as yours
Oh, I know that some video games depend more on the Aspect ratio (4:3 16:9 16:10 and Put 21:9 with 16:9)
I mean you have the object has certain WidthxHeight in every ratio rather than every resolution
random frigate
@split aspen hmm so like what I can do?
because if the screen get bigger or it just be lesser then how the program can know where's the x,y for the things I want?
split aspen
The screen gets bigger when the player Chooses the Change the resolution right?
random frigate
yup
split aspen
So just put each resolutions into categories (According to the aspect ratio) And Set Which one loads for each category
random frigate
oh but like this I need to hardcode a lot of things
random frigate
I was thinking of if there's any specific algorithm for this
its not going to work like this because if the player wanted to play in a full screen mode and of course(most of the time his screen resolution will be different of mine)
split aspen
attempting to scale from 40x40 to 30x30 for an example would ruin the looks
If you really want the multiple resolutions you can just make one aspect ratio?
720p +
random frigate
Oh actually what I meant when I said the resolution of the screen is its width and height
random frigate
yup thanks mate I will check this out
haughty shoal
im new to coding, and have no idea how to. Where can i get started?
fierce wraith
arcade is super fun!
random frigate
like when I give the things I want to make an object for something and lets say the person who's playing has a screen that is bigger or lesser than mine then how im going to deal with these objects?
fierce wraith
and beginner friendly
split aspen
im new to coding, and have no idea how to. Where can i get started?
@haughty shoal How new?
haughty shoal
@split aspen 0 coding experience
well actually a little because i had a class
but the teacher was jus an old geezer who hated us
split aspen
Start by the python course in Freecodecamp, they don't use any ads
Then decide what you really want to build
then just select a specific framework and just learn it
if you're really interested in actually bringing results fast
random frigate
I would also recommend a book called automate the boring stuff with python it cover the basics in a very good way
split aspen
The best thing is to know what you want to do, It's easy to get stuck in a learning hole in those fields honestly
i actually became more motivated when i knew i wanted to make video games, at least from the coding side
random frigate
what about drawing side xd
split aspen
Well, I'll try to get into it when i actually master the ability to break down problems into small pieces xD
I'm really focused in the problem solving side
random frigate
oh like leetcode and these stuff?
split aspen
No, its just like C# way
where most of the stuff into methods
and just call them in the main()
random frigate
ohh
split aspen
But in my head xD
random frigate
lol
I actually wanted to jump into ML and robots but when I was learning it I was saying like "WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON" so I asked some people and they told me that it needs a lot of math and Im still in highschool so I didn't learn these things ,after that I stopped programming for a month maybe(doing just little things) and I came back for it now because I really want to keep up with it
split aspen
Yeah, you'll need to know statistics maths most of the time
xD
oh its getting out of game dev
split aspen
I mean its still related a bit
you can make an AI that plays a certain game
Eh most of all its all about data xD
split aspen
Eh, Until you have lots of NULLs in your data
I don't think an artificial intelligence can replace any field except security_maybe
random frigate
oh robots now actually replacing a lot of things you know amazon robots?
split aspen
It's just the basic stuff
random frigate
lol
I heard that its going to replace 60 millons jobs but at the same time there will be 120millons new jobs
split aspen
Yeah, since the past we're just switching the kind of stresses we have
Oh its really getting out of game dev
lets stop here
random frigate
yup
dawn quiver
hello
i was wondering what type of programing would we need
for something like developing an app
split aspen
App that serves what?
split aspen
"Tracking" is a really difficult thing
Like just the country?
Or the exact location
split aspen
Probably you'll need swift prog language
Exact location will need government permissions xD
split aspen
Even City is difficult thing
dawn quiver
oof
split aspen
You can use the trick truecaller used which is when you download the app and use your phone number
You're automatically giving out the identities of all your contacts
But, The problem is you still can't really track someone's location
dawn quiver
hmm another idea
what about an app that for example compares the prices of airline flights, so you could buy the one that saves u the most money?
split aspen
Actually, i remembered that phones keep your coordinates in the photos data where it was taken
You can usually extract it from photos taken by phones
And it's really related to #cybersecurity
dawn quiver
my second idea was a safety like app
where people and go on and alert other neighbors if like theirs a criminal around or dangeroutside
split aspen
what about an app that for example compares the prices of airline flights, so you could buy the one that saves u the most money?
@dawn quiver Sure, You can tell the app the Grab the data from a set of airline flights websites (Api) and just put it from best to worst according to the Numerical price :p
split aspen
The problem about your idea is how do you actually grab the data
You'll need a direct contact to each security agency
split aspen
i mean the safety app
dawn quiver
ye
true that
im not gonna use that prob
might stick with the airlines idea and
maybe an app that when you subscribe to stuff or have bills, it alerts u as the payment date arrives
split aspen
Or, You can spread raspberry PI all across the world that captures the analogue signals and knows which one is for 911 and It just displays data on that range
dawn quiver
That sounds a bit complex for a beginner like me 😛
dawn quiver
for the safety?
split aspen
its usually most of the apps xD
split aspen
I mean facebook app grabs its data from facebook server
for an example
right?
Just use this way of thinking to most of your apps
ideas
maybe you'll be creative
oh its still out of game_dev
split aspen
I'm not sure what you're asking
split aspen
Yeah, You can use any IDE that supports your language
dawn quiver
k
split aspen
dawn quiver
dawn quiver
Is there anyway to easily resize the map size with pygame
I have no background image or anything like that I just want to be able to zoom out
tall pewter
Just define a size variable
and like set it to 0.5 . then multiply all of your variables related to like size and stuff by that
gritty crescent
Hey guys how can i manage to play a vaw file in my python.exe file
tall pewter
Guys should I move to godot from Pygame/Cocos2d ?
severe saffron
@gritty crescent wav?
@tall pewter most likely yes if you're interested in developing more complex games
a more fully-fledged game engine will make it much easier
tall pewter
Oh I see
rich sinew
hello can somebody help me with my assignement
I was down with fever and didnt attend lessons for 1 whole week
and now there is a python game i gotta make by tomorrow
it only requires the use of if and elif
please let me know if you can help!
maiden shale
I could probably help @rich sinew
@tall pewter or you could use GameMaker or Unity :)
rich sinew
@maiden shale thanks so much!
cus it has 35% weightage for my programming essential module
maiden shale
0.o
rich sinew
i will dm you
gritty crescent
hey could someone solve why my game can't work as an .exe file pls
leaden lynx
If you explain the problem somebody should at least be able to take a look.
gritty crescent
i was waiting for someone to respond
tall pewter
Btw guys are there any good engines in Python (Except Godot)
I mean I liked Cocos2d and PyGame
But PyGame is kinda too beginner
frozen knoll
Arcade https://arcade.academy
severe saffron
there aren't too many python game engines
if you're interested in learning python then those which are available are a good idea
but there are others and it can be useful to learn a new language in the framework of a game engine
tall pewter
I mean
I know C++
But I can't install libraries
Since I'm a windows user it's a pain in the a$$
And I don't like Unity
I hate it*
near wedge
@tall pewter if you're looking for 3D, there's Panda3D.
tall pewter
I mean , yeah but I don't like to make 3D games for now
I guess Cocos2D/Arcade is the way?
near wedge
Yeah, I'd probably look into Arcade for 2D.
frozen knoll
I'm kinda biased, but I think arcade is great for 2d games. Once shader support is released, it will be even more powerful.
merry echo
what do you want to create
tall pewter
A game for a game jam
merry echo
upcoming?
merry echo
what platform do you want it in
merry echo
if its in Python then you only have to choose between Arcade, pygame, cocos2d and pyglet if you want lower level access
tall pewter
ik but which is the best?
merry echo
though Arcade and cocos2d uses pyglet anyway as a dependency
merry echo
I'd go with Arcade, you could learn the others later on if you wanted to anyway
merry echo
if you're comfortable with what you're using, i don't know why you would switch esp. for a jam
there really isn't a single 'way' per se
tall pewter
I switched from PyGame to arcade cause the rotation has problems
So much problems*
Like I wanted to make a top down shooter and it didn't work
umbral fulcrum
But PyGame is kinda too beginner
@tall pewter I certainly disagree, you cannot expect from a python library to help you with all cases. I'm not even sure if pygame is called a 'game engine'. But arcade is also seem like a great library. Plus, you can easily contact with the creater of arcade in here : )
calm thistle
@tall pewter There's a list of Python game engines at https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/libraries.html including many more
dawn quiver
ik but which is the best?
@tall pewter The one you like
rich sinew
hello can somebody help me with my assignement
I was down with fever and didnt attend lessons for 1 whole week
and now there is a python game i gotta make by tomorrow
it only requires the use of if and elif
please let me know if you can help!
umbral fulcrum
@rich sinew You can ask your question in this channel, I'll try to help
tall pewter
Wow I see Pyglet > Arcade
merry echo
Arcade is built on top of pyglet though
frozen knoll
Kind of. Arcade has a completely different drawing and sprite implementation, only using pyglet for opengl bindings in those cases. The window/event management is pretty much pyglet.
tall pewter
Yeah I see
dawn quiver
I'm just using pygame for now
calm thistle
There are a couple of days left on this Humble Bundle of game assets: https://www.humblebundle.com/software/art-assets-music-and-sound-effects-software?hmb_source=humble_home&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=mosaic_section_2_layout_index_3_layout_type_threes_tile_index_1_c_artassetsmusicandsoundeffects_softwarebundle
...but the license terms are not compatible with PyWeek: https://pyweek.readthedocs.io/en/latest/rules.html#existing-artwork-music-and-sound-effects-may-be-used
fallen citrus
hey, plz can someone help me to create my proper pac-man on pygame contact me on dm
dawn quiver
anybody know what is wrong with this
its just
import pygame
pygame.init()
that is the first few lines
nvm, copy of the same file
wintry dirge
can somebody help me make a game
dawn quiver
I've been trying to get a custom cursor to work on Pygame that doesn't rely on the set_cursor command built into Pygame already, because I don't want to have a black-and-white bitmap cursor. Every time I try to do it, however, it leaves a trail of cursors instead of simply following wherever my cursor goes. The cursor needs to overlap other surfaces at times, so using fill() won't help. Any ideas? Should I pose this question to one of the help chats?
@wintry dirge What game are you trying to make?
I need a better library for the game I'm making, so I guess I can use my limited, acquired-today knowledge of Pygame to help someone. 😦
dawn quiver
What type of game is it supposed to be? A platformer, an RPG, or something else?
wintry dirge
Something else
dawn quiver
Can you explain the basic mechanics of the game?
wintry dirge
Do you know the game stick fight?
It’s kinda like that but with different weapons and maps
So lots of rag doll movement
Lots of particle crap
And a lot of bullets
So
I have never made a game before
dawn quiver
I know about that game, yeah.
Well... you could get started with Pygame, but I'm warning you, Pygame can be really primitive at times.
dawn quiver
I think carving your code with a rock and a hammer is less primitive than Pygame, so living in a hole is perfectly acceptable.
wintry dirge
Actually I can put them in now
I gotta make more still
These are a few
I just messed around in ms paint until I got some stuff that looks good
dawn quiver
Alright, I need a library that's good for 2D game development and is more powerful than Pygame. Which should I choose? I've looked at Pyglet and Pandas3D and can't deduce whether either of them are suitable.
For reference, this isn't going to be some intense platformer or anything that requires lots of motion quickly; it's going to be a 2D word game.
But it's a pretty technical game and requires lots of sprites and overlays on the screen at once. Are there any libraries that are particularly good at doing that?
This is probably a super-generic question, but any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Please PM me if you have any good suggestions, because I'm going to bed soon. Thanks, everyone.
vital rock
fervent rose
@dawn quiver Pyglet is basically for directly rendering images to screen, I wouldn't recommend it to do a fully featured game if you don't want to loose your mind with boilerplate code, and Pandas3D is, well, for 3D, so it doesn't work at all for 2D, my best advice would be to use the arcade library 
dawn quiver
Arcade, huh? I tried Arcade out. Are you sure it'd be the best decision? What about it sets it apart from those other two? @fervent rose
Thank you for your response, by the way.
fervent rose
Well, the other two aren't suited to build a 2D game honestly
They serve different purposes
Oh and BTW arcade uses Pyglet behind the scene, it more or less just provide a really lire abstract interface
dawn quiver
My main problem with Pygame was that it had a lot of limitations. For instance, the way you need to manage surfaces and sprites is rather inefficient to me and has a lot of limitations .
For instance, if I wanted to create a sprite in Arcade using a pre-made picture or image, how would I go about doing that?
fervent rose
Yeah, I'd advise anyone to stay away from pygame as much as possible, it has a really bad API IMO
Hold on, I'll get you some examples :)
dawn quiver
I learned that the hard way...
fervent rose
Here is an example of an animated sprite https://arcade.academy/examples/sprite_move_animation.html
They also have a really good arcade tutorial at https://arcade.academy, you should take a look at it
dawn quiver
I took a brief look at it, but figured that Pygame was okay since I knew more about it. Big mistake.
I'll be sure to recheck that Arcade documentation out tomorrow. Thanks again, Akarys!
fervent rose
Anytime!
calm thistle
@dawn quiver If you hate the API of Pygame, check out Pygame Zero: https://pygame-zero.readthedocs.io/en/stable/
fallen citrus
hey, plz can someone help me to create my proper pac-man on pygame contact me on dm
limpid pilot
from turtle import *
from random import randrangew
from freegames import square, vector
food = vector(0, 0)
snake = [vector(10, 0)]
aim = vector(0, -10)
def change(x, y):
"Change snake direction."
aim.x = x
aim.y = y
def inside(head):
"Return True if head inside boundaries."
return -200 < head.x < 190 and -200 < head.y < 190
def move():
"Move snake forward one segment."
head = snake[-1].copy()
head.move(aim)
if not inside(head) or head in snake:
square(head.x, head.y, 9, 'red')
update()
return
snake.append(head)
if head == food:
print('Snake:', len(snake))
food.x = randrange(-15, 15) * 10
food.y = randrange(-15, 15) * 10
else:
snake.pop(0)
clear()
for body in snake:
square(body.x, body.y, 9, 'black')
square(food.x, food.y, 9, 'green')
update()
ontimer(move, 100)
setup(420, 420, 370, 0)
hideturtle()
tracer(False)
listen()
onkey(lambda: change(10, 0), 'd')
onkey(lambda: change(-10, 0), 'a')
onkey(lambda: change(0, 10), 'w')
onkey(lambda: change(0, -10), 's')
move()
done()
so above is the code for a snake game that i made
tall pewter
So?
XD jk not trying to be mean
Nice job
But PyGame is a better library
Just saying
jolly axle
Creative use of the turtle library I like it a lot
I'm using pyscroll with pygame, and loading my map with pytmx. I want to know if there is a way to get the data for the current location the player is at. I have the players coordinates on the map (I'm pretty sure), but I want to know if there is something on the layer that all the walls are on
compact ermine
Hi guys. I am quite new to python and programming in general, and i just want to ask, is pygame really as bad as everyone makes it out to be?
humble flicker
not really
it's a great place to start
obv it's not great in it's functions or anything
but it's pretty good for basic and some advanced things
i like it
dawn quiver
@compact ermine Pygame is really bare-bones, and to some, it's considered less a library and more a very basic game framework. What it lacks in power, it makes up for in simplicity that is virtually unmatched by any other game development library for Python, although the simplicity of a library is largely based on perspective and what YOU think is easy to grasp.
The only library I can think of whose simplicity matches that of Pygame is Arcade; if you're looking for a more powerful, but easier, alternative to Pygame, try out Arcade. They have an extremely thorough tutorial on the basics of the library, so picking it up shouldn't be extremely difficult after giving that a read.
Since you're new to Python and programming in general, I would recommend using Arcade's official documentation. It is specifically designed for those who are new to Python and are interested in game development. Basic concepts of Python programming, such as if/else statements, for and while loops, error checking and object-oriented programming are gone over in that documentation.
Of course, this is just my opinion and Pygame may be far more powerful than what I portray it as; I prefer Arcade, personally, but a lot of others on this Discord and elsewhere recommend Pygame instead.
compact ermine
Thanks! ill check out Arcade
calm thistle
Pygame Is best treated as SDL bindings
Also try out my new engine, Wasabi2D: https://wasabi2d.readthedocs.io/
dawn quiver
😮
What's it for? 2D game design?
I might actually use this for the game I'm trying to remake!
dawn quiver
Is it more of a physics engine, or is it for any 2D games?
calm thistle
It's not coupled to any particular physics engine
Oh, that's just a graphics demo with my own physics
dawn quiver
Wow, this is really great! I might actually use this instead of arcade for what I'm working on.
dawn quiver
Oh, I don't need a physics engine for what I'm designing; I was just wondering whether it was more designed for physics engines or if it can be used for any 2D games.
calm thistle
So that's another killer feature: https://wasabi2d.readthedocs.io/en/stable/coros.html
dawn quiver
Can you briefly explain what coroutines are in the context of game design and how they're used to improve Wasabi2D?
I apologize for the programming lesson request, but I just want to make sure that, when I use Wasabi2D, I can use it to its greatest potential.
I can't believe I'd actually find a decent engine for the game I'm making in Discord out of all places. Thanks a million, @calm thistle! I'll give you an update on how my tests go.
calm thistle
You can join my Discord for W2D if you like: https://discord.gg/jBWaWHU
Coroutines allow one function to execute over many game frames
That's the simples way to describe it
dawn quiver
Oh! That's cool. I think I may have accidentally created a subroutine or two while working with Pygame, but not in the same way it works with Wasabi2D, I'd presume.
If I had a custom cursor for my game and I made it so that the custom image of the cursor followed the position of the cursor on the pop-up window that my game is on, would that be considered a coroutine?
calm thistle
No, currently input is not integrated with the coroutine system
But in principle, yes, you could write
async def follow_cursor():
async for pos in mouse_moves():
cursor.pos = pos
async def = "Allow this function to suspend between frames"
async for = "Allow the thing I'm iterating over to suspend me"
rich sinew
hello can somebody help me with my assignement
I was down with fever and didnt attend lessons for 1 whole week
and now there is a python game i gotta make and its already overdue
It has 35% weightage on my overall grade so please I can pay whatever I have but pls help
it only requires the use of if and elif
please let me know if you can help!
dawn quiver
!rule 5
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random frigate
Guys for some reason pygame in not opening any image inside another dir
so here's my code I have been stucked with this problem for like an hour now python walkRight = ["adventurer-run-00.png","adventurer-run-01.png","adventurer-run-03.png","adventurer-run-04.png","adventurer-run-05.png"] walkLeft = [] full_path = "/naruto game/player_animation/Adventurer-1.5/Individual Sprites" for index,item in enumerate(walkRight): walkRight[index] = os.path.abspath(os.path.join(full_path, item))
pygame.image.load(self.walkRight[(str(self.walkCount // 2))]``` File "/home/mohammad/Desktop/The long journey of programing/python/pygame/naruto game/sprites.py", line 38, in draw
win.blit(pygame.image.load(str(self.walkRight[self.walkCount // 2])),(self.x,self.y))
pygame.error: Couldn't open /naruto game/player_animation/Adventurer-1.5/Individual Sprites/adventurer-run-00.png
this is the error msg
dawn quiver
@random frigate Can you open any other PNGs within the list? If you can, it might be a problem with adventurer-run-00.png specifically. That tends to happen when the PNGs are missing or corrupted.
Also, in that for statement, are you checking for index, item or index.item? If you're looking for the latter, you may have a syntactical error with the comma that was added in that for statement.
random frigate
Can you open any other PNGs within the list? If you can, it might be a problem with
adventurer-run-00.pngspecifically. That tends to happen when the PNGs are missing or corrupted.
@dawn quiver I just tried that out when you told me but it didn't work, also about the for loop isindex, item
dawn quiver
Alright, so it's a tuple you're searching for over and over again, I'm presuming?
You might want to try using os.getcwd() and os.path.join() together to make sure you're pointing at the right files.
os.getcwd() returns the current directory of the .PY file you're running it from, so if you're trying to open a folder that is in the same directory as that .PY file, you can use os.path.join() with that current directory to get to the folder without having to directly specify every part of the directory.
random frigate
oh so im running the python file from "/naruto game"
do I can delete more code?
ohhhhh
It worked when I used os.getcwd()
@dawn quiver thanks a lot mate
dawn quiver
👍
potent cairn
Anyone know why getting .htaccess to ban certain IPs is not working with Apache / WSGI / Django?
toxic sinew
If I wanted to make a multiplayer card game in python what would be the best solution?
near wedge
@toxic sinew I'm guessing you'll be sticking to 2D then? If so, I would lean toward Arcade or Kivy.
toxic sinew
Yeah, I have experience with several 3D game engines on the art side but for this I'm just messing around with some code so sticking to 2D. Thanks! Is youtube a good source for tutorials using Arcade and/or Kivy?
toxic sinew
Awesome, thanks for the help 🙂
cold storm
recording gameplay to blender keyframes in blender 2.9
also armature actions are recorded in this to a new track - something the original bge could not do (stock)
random frigate
guys is it better to create a class for each character or there's another solution?
pastel ice
Class can have many objects, right?
random frigate
ya
pastel ice
So..uh..you can have different character objects for a single class
random frigate
Wait im not sure with my answer because im not too good with classes I will check it out