i heard that starting with very low pixels is good for the first game
#game-development
vestal vessel
oh thnx for the suggestion. i guess i will make low pixels for my first game then 😄 ty
hearty adder
Hey guys
I'm new to python, I've just made some basic projects
I want to get into game dev
Can you recommend a starting point?
Much appreciated thanks.
I want to do some basic pixel animation and then move on to interaction
swift jacinth
Whats the best game engine for creating an 8 bit game?
still shard
@swift jacinth There is no universal answer to that
You can use any engine for that, from Unreal to Unity to Gamemaker Studio
But try something simple first maybe, like defold? Or try pygame if you want to python it
swift jacinth
I see, thanks
frozen knoll
Hey @hearty adder I'd recommend looking at the example code here: https://arcade.academy/examples/index.html
And @swift jacinth , there's a lot of resources on that site as well to get started creating 8-bit games.
hearty adder
Thanks a lot for the help Paul!
swift jacinth
@frozen knoll Thank you, I'll look into it
fading gust
@swift jacinth also take a look at https://godotengine.org/. It's FOSS, I love it. UI system amazing, how scene work just make so much sense. It uses GDScript which is heavily inspired by python, and is deeply integrated into the engine. Overall, I love working with Godot
frozen knoll
Hi, I'm redoing sound support for Arcade. If you are on Linux or MacOS, I'd love it if you'd try the 2.3.8b2 library (as it is beta, you'll need to specifically select it) and let me know if sound works. Now supports volume and panning. ogg, mp3, and wav should all work.
olive parcel
Godot is neat, but despite GDScript's superficial similarity, it's not Python, and you don't have access to the Python ecosystem. This is unfortunately a really crippling flaw to anyone who's used to working with Python, because you lose out on a ton of thirdparty libraries, so any time you need a function that's not provided by Godot itself you'll have to implement it in C++.
dawn quiver
isn't there a way to use python in godot as well?
atomic totem
Ironically I saw this channel and was just about to ask about GDScript, and rdb answered my question before I even asked it.
ember ocean
lol, but now we want to know your question.
atomic totem
I was going to ask if it IS python or if it's just like python.
Or even if it were "like python", if it could use python assets
grand imp
@dawn quiver @olive parcel there are bindings for python but idk how good they are https://github.com/touilleMan/godot-python
olive parcel
@atomic totem The syntax is superficially like Python. There are enough significant differences for it to not to be possible to just paste in Python code and expect it to work.
mortal narwhal
So I'm currently writing a torn.com rpg game. Just wondering if anyone wants to help and join this? I want to make it open source and run in docker so :)
fading gust
heavily inspired by python not python
somber bramble
hey guys, any free pdf/ebook for backend game stuff? like creating fights, inventory system, things like that?
vestal vessel
so my tile palette is suppose to be 20x20
is the reason y its acting up like this is coz i sliced it wrong ??
this is my palette
??
fervent rose
It is hard to say without your code, but yes, it looks like a sampling issue
vestal vessel
thnx i will try to fix my sample first 😄 im using unity so no code for this
vestal vessel
ok its not the sample -.-
any other possible solution? im using grid of 0.2 x and y in unity and my sample are sliced by 20x20
i googled it and it said turn off the anti aliasing. but didnt work
frozen knoll
What engine are you using? It does look like you aren't aligning to the nearest pixel. Might need to check math or use GL_NEAREST.
fervent rose
Unity isn’t a gaming platform, it is a game engine, but I see your point
fervent rose
I mean plateform, such as desktop, mobile, console..
safe glade
bruh
fervent rose
And also 2D or 3D?
fervent rose
I think Unity is a good choice yeah
safe glade
ah thanks
also question .... should i start learning python then unity
cause a lot of people say that python is a good langue in code to learn 1st
frozen knoll
I find Unity not a great language/platform to get students started in.
You can spend a lot of time messing with the UI and graphics and not actually learn programming.
safe glade
ok , soo python 1st
frozen knoll
That's my recommendation. Then jump to Unity and C# once you have the basics.
safe glade
aight thanks
frozen knoll
fervent rose
!resources we also have other resources to get you started here
frank fieldBOT
fervent rose
Okay nevermind, that’s a full python tutorial
safe glade
i'm good
it's ok
@fervent rose i'll check it out , when i know the basics of python
also thanks both of you guys
fervent rose
Np 
dawn quiver
hey @foggy python , I think you're the bomb diggity and super cool
i just downloaded px editor, that tool you (awesomeperson) made
fierce wraith
Paul, I definitely agree. A friend kinda pulled me into learning unity with him two years or so ago. I had been using python for a couple years at that point, he didnt have any programming experience. It was a lot of fun for both of us, especially because you can create things that just work pretty fast. But I have to say, its so easy to just use unity's drag and drop system, write horrible code and always take the easy way out.
frozen knoll
It is too easy in my opinion to get stuck on some checkbox somewhere. I prefer text files rather than GUI settings, but can't deny Unity is quite powerful.
fierce wraith
We recently did some coding challenges together and it was very obvious that he was lacking the fundamental knowledge for working in a system where you have to actually code systems yourself without a powerful system like unity helping you
One of the criteria for the challenge was speed/complexity. He had gotten into the habit of writing very unoptimized code because c# could just compensate. Coming from python I was used to optimizing stuff
I find unity allows you to get away with too much too easily by compensating with its powerfull systems.
But you cant deny that the power of unity is amazing if you use it right
foggy python
@fervent rose it’s a pixel art tool I made
fervent rose
_@fierce wraith Unreal Engine 4 when? _
fierce wraith
i like UE4!
fervent rose
west ingot
is pygame beginner ffriendly
fervent rose
Not really tbh, you should take a look at arcade instead
vestal vessel
@frozen knoll im using unity's, tile map and grid system for this
vestal vessel
somewhat mange to fix it but if u see in the video it starts breaking while im moving in the yellow part -.-
fierce wraith
if you are using unity we cant really help you with python 😉
but there is a unity discord!
vestal vessel
oh i thought it was general game development lol anyways thnx for the info
dreamy swan
I know it has been asked a billion times...
What is a good library for making a platformer in python?
Note: I want to make a 2d, side scrolling platformer with the ability to also move the camera on the Y axis...
fierce wraith
we made a 2d platformer using kivy for the last codejam:
https://github.com/Leterax/code-jam-6/tree/master/brilliant-builders
probably not the best lib to use though, id use something like arcade or pygame
frozen knoll
@dreamy swan See here for a tutorial on how to do it with Arcade: https://arcade.academy/examples/platform_tutorial/index.html
frozen knoll
I usually hang on this channel, so I'm happy to answer questions. Just ping me.
vestal vessel
lol they just ignore ur message in unity @fierce wraith -_-
posted 2 times it got lost in chat ....
dawn quiver
yoo @foggy python your art tool is absolutely awesome, i picked up how to use it in a couple minutes. BIG UPS
this is exactly what i needed
dawn quiver
first pixel art thing i've ever done
night coral
Been snipping some bits from the jam projects... might take a look at that camera in some form
dawn quiver
Are there any games on the market that are made with python?
queen surge
Yes @dawn quiver - https://store.steampowered.com/app/1146560/Drawn_Down_Abyss/ here is an example
@foggy python is the creator, you can find his youtube channel here - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYNrBrBOgTfHswcz2DdZQFA which he also has a playlist of tutorials on pygame
dawn quiver
Aha Ok - Thanks @queen surge - I guess you cant tell much from Steam what platform was used.
foggy python
there's another one too
hold on
much more successful than mine
Just did the math and it looks like it probably made more than $30,000 in profits.
queen surge
Oh boy, that game looks good on trailer
foggy python
Oh, I just noticed you said Python and not Pygame.
dawn quiver
Hmm kool Thanks @foggy python - Ive often wondered if there were any. I use Unity for Game Dev for android but I use python a lot, mainly for testing encryption ideas. Is SwitchCars also made with Pygame?...Wo 30K niice!
dawn quiver
oh does it wow
*looks up stackless python lol
With today's most efficient operating system threads on a specially modified Linux variant and 1 GB main memory, it is possible to run about 100.000 Threads. The switching rate is somewhere better than 1 million per second.. With its tiny Python tasklets, Stackless accomplishes similar performance within only 100 MB, but creating a million tasklets. In conclusion, Stackless Python is very efficient and especially suited for simulations with very many autonomous tiny objects.
Okay this looks like its worth looking into.
Thanks @foggy python
foggy python
Uh
That’s useful for MMOs and stuff
Not normal stuff
Threading is for handling a bunch of processes at the same time (typically used for multiplayer games)
dawn quiver
Yeah I'm thinking of simulating huge amounts of mass and early big bang creations so this is exactly what I'm after.
foggy python
Oh my
dawn quiver
So its a pet dream game I had a while back where the user basically plays around with the physics till the advent of life is created carbon or argon or whatever. So yeh God game with pretty simulations.
For now tho - I have to keep my stupendous imagination limited to what I can actually produce lol - hence Android Casual Play lol
fierce wraith
@vestal vessel wdym?
vestal vessel
asked for help in unity no one is willing to help -.-. anyways i will try to fix it later so allg haha 😄
fervent rose
Hmm
Nope
Haha
It is pretty hard to do good looking things with tkinter, it is more a prototype tool imo
safe glade
yeah i know ,it's really hard to make
fervent rose
Nice 
wild flare
Do you guys use pygame?
fervent rose
I try to avoid it as much as possible haha
wild flare
And with 3d game development in Python, is it bad or good?
wild flare
I've looked at panda3d but every example game with it looks like its from the 90s.
Is that all it is?
fervent rose
Well, it is limited haha
I didn’t really did a in-depth check though, it might be more
wild flare
I really wanted to use my Python skills to try and make a game. 😦 Should I just learn C#?
fervent rose
As always, it depends on what you want to do
Python can be okay, C# can be as C++ can be okay too
wild flare
Is it possible to make multiplayer games in panda3d?
fervent rose
Sure
Multiplayer (networking) and rendering are totally independent subjects
Multiplayer is just about packaging user inputs and/or object positions into a package and sending it to other users, most of the time using UDP for speed, and unpacking it on the other side, and applying some interpolations
Multiplayer in a nutshell
fervent rose
I think you should be okay then
It doesn’t seems very complex, but not very easy though
wild flare
I think the hardest thing for me will probably be the gameserver as I always use HTTP for networking which won't suffice for a game.
near wedge
@wild flare Panda3D is pretty capable of more advanced graphics, but there, sadly, aren't a ton of examples.
fervent rose
Yes, you’llhave to use raw sockets
wild flare
I just don't want my game to look like a crappy game from 2004.
near wedge
@wild flare That's going to be more up to you (or the artist) than the engine.
wild flare
I'm ok with Roblox level of graphics.
tawny stratus
Unity makes it very easy to make modern looking things
wild flare
Unity is C# right?
fervent rose
I mean, if the engine doesn’t support displacement for instance, it is going to look crappy haha
Yes
tawny stratus
Technically also supports js apparently
fervent rose
I don’t know if pandas3d support procedural texturing too
wild flare
Python is my first programming language.
I wanted to learn C# but I couldn't compile hello world without 50 errors so I gave up.
fervent rose
But if you want to go for photorealism (or even just 3d actually) I’d suggest you to learn Unreal Engine 4 instead
wild flare
Don't people give shit for using Unreal Engine since it's developed originally? by Epic Games?
tawny stratus
Just curious, why unreal? Unity seems quite nice for smaller 3d games
I have only tiny experience with unity
wild flare
Unreal Engine also C# or C++?
tawny stratus
C++
fervent rose
Or visual scripting!
UE4 is the big ass engine running a freakin' lot of AAA titles
wild flare
It'll be annoying because kids think Epic Games is poison which destroys everything it touches.
fervent rose
It is just miles away from other engines
wild flare
But thanks for the recommendation, I was leaning towards Unreal Engine 4 anyway. 😄
fervent rose
Yay
tawny stratus
But it also seems like it takes a lot more time and effort to get something going with unreal over unity
wild flare
I always associate Unity with indie web games and then Unreal Engine with AAA games but I may be wrong.
fervent rose
You aren't really wrong, even if ue4 also target indie games
tawny stratus
Not even just the learning curve. Speaking to people who know both, if they want to make something they just use unity. Unreal seems much more oriented to massive games
fervent rose
Do you know the game astroneer for instance?
wild flare
A name I haven't heard in years. 
fervent rose
Well, it is an unreal game
wild flare
I played it when it first came out.
fervent rose
Func fact btw, pubg is an unreal game haha
wild flare
PUBG biggest Unreal game?
wild flare
Fortnite? Like 2 weeks?
😄
I've seen very basic games in Unreal and they look so good for being so simple.
fervent rose
Well, fortnite is probably the biggest ue4 game
Yeah, you can do simple things with it surprisingly enough haha
But the learning curve is still a bit harder than unity
wild flare
Like I saw these kids trying to recreate Fortnite and it didn't look bad.
fervent rose
But now that ue4 users have a free access to the quixel suite, I now cannot use another engine
Fortnite is kind of they're way to show devs what you can do with ue4 too
Like, they're new particle system Niagara was rolled out to fortnite a week before the public release (it was in beta before, only accessible if you build unreal from source)
near wedge
@wild flare I would pick something that will be easy to learn and get something done with rather than the maximum capabilities of the engine or what AAA studios are using. The needs of a AAA studio are vastly different than a one person trying to get started with 3D game dev.
If you're new to game dev in general, you may want to try out a couple of 2D examples (e.g., create a simple breakout clone) to get a feel for some things before diving off the deep end.
wild flare
If I were to make a 2D game for experience, what package would you recommend
fervent rose
2D and 3D are fundamentally very different
I don't think starting with 2D to learn 3D is any good
wild flare
It feels like I'm jumping in at the deep end.
fierce wraith
you can always make your own engine 😉 most of the time making the engine becomes the project, but it can be a lot of fun
using something like moderngl and learning about how graphics work is awesome
fallen gyro
between pyglet and pygame, which one would you recommend for game dev more than the other ?
fervent rose
I’d recommend to stay away from pygame as much as possible haha
fallen gyro
ah...
crimson zenith
Is pygame really that bad?
fervent rose
It is just my opinion, but it doesn't fit the learning fun library that it wants to be
iron galleon
pygame is ok, but i like arcade's OOP approach better
fervent rose
I think I should do a little note about what I don't like about pygame, maybe later today
dawn quiver
Anyone want GitHub Student Pack?
fervent rose
You want to share your student pack?
ember glade
@dawn quiver Please do not attempt to distribute or sell things that would normally require student ID or anything of the like
They are not meant for any kind of distribution as part of the terms for getting them
dawn quiver
Okay, understood.
ember glade
Thank you for being understanding
foggy python
@fervent rose I think that Pygame can be a great “learning library” depending on how the person learning thinks. Personally, I found things like Pygame much easier to understand when I was 12 than things that made you use their frameworks for everything.
jovial fable
Personally, I found things like Pygame much easier to understand when I was 12
alright
no offense but that's a pretty unique experience
frozen knoll
@fallen gyro Pyglet is more raster-graphics based. It runs on a lot of devices, even the rasperry pi. Pyglet and Arcade use OpenGL and do hardware-based camera panning, scaling, rotation, etc. Pyglet makes it easier to do your own shaders, etc. Arcade is easier to use if you don't want to do that. ModernGL is great if you want to do your own OpenGL code.
fervent rose
Oh BTW, I was wondering, does any of those Lib have support for bone animation?
I don't think so, but you never know
frozen knoll
No, don't think so.
I think you'd need to jump languages for that and do godot or C#.
fervent rose
Yeah
It does make games heavier doesn't it, since you have to build all the animation inside the packaged game, right?
potent ice
@fervent rose We do have gltf 2.0 support in moderngl-window that currently loads most of the data needed to support this.
So I guess it's more about making the shaders. There are lots of examples out there one can base this on
fervent rose
Really? That's great!
sage bluff
@fervent rose im making a game engine stronger than pygame , pyglet ect
the game engine is gonna be stronger than python itself
the game engine im making is called XGame this engine will enable people using python to develop simple but insanely powerful games
sage bluff
its still expirimental @dawn quiver but it will be done soon
'the engine utilizes mingw c++ for building the game
finite fossil
whole burrow
I'm looking for a way to 1) deploy my 2048 clone to a website 2) if this is feasible, add the ability so see someone's board in real time
fervent rose
@whole burrow
- you should ask #414737889352744971, but usually you'd just make a container of the site app and deploy it online
- this depends on your implementation, you'd have the user sending you back the state of his board, and you'd distribute it to spectators
fervent rose
@dawn quiver this spam of global is kinda horrendous to look at, you should use a class instead
It would be a waste of resources and make the game slower, but I guess you can @whole burrow
fervent rose
Just leave the processing to the client, what harm can it do?
You can use an object to store all your game state and pass it around
whole burrow
well, I wanted to prevent the user from manipulating the data they send
to essentially cheat
fervent rose
Here is a good tutorial about OOP https://realpython.com/python3-object-oriented-programming/
whole burrow
though this is just a practice project
fervent rose
I mean, that's just 2048
fervent rose
Fair enough
So yes, you can do the processing on the server then
Or even better, to avoid connection delay, check if the state sent by the user is correct
whole burrow
yeah
essentially I send coord
of the spawned tile
and receive the board state from the client and check if it can result from the existing board state
fervent rose
It is explained in the article, you should read it first
You can have the client create the tile
fervent rose
Imagine that the client have an horrendous ping, like 1s
whole burrow
ah that's fair
fervent rose
Everytime they make a move, they'll have to wait 1s for the tile to spawn
whole burrow
is there a way to pre generate them
fervent rose
In a game it is always a balance between security and user experience
fervent rose
You can generate the seed yourself and send it at the beginning of the game, and so you can check if the random stream was modified or not
You don't want to actually use globals
They are really bad practice
whole burrow
^
fervent rose
You'd just want to create a game state at the beginning and pass it between your functions
You cannot use discord then
:>
You aren't authorized to register on discord if you aren't at least 13 years old
Because GDPR and stuff
whole burrow
GDPR*
@dawn quiver basically, globals are bad practice because they can change other code you are working with unexpectedly
and if you have a large amount of code that all works together, keeping track of all the global variables is a pain
so essentially, if I let the client generate the random tiles, I can't prevent an attacker from being able to predetermine where the next tile will spawn
correct?
though it certainly makes such attacks far less feasible and more labor intensive
versus just not checking
@fervent rose could I ask you to take a quick look at my code and give me some feedback on style?
azure seal
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frank fieldBOT
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fervent rose
@whole burrow sure
fervent rose
@whole burrow it does look pretty good, you ought also want to typehint your code
whole burrow
yeah, I was in the process of doing that
I am mostly looking for stylistic pointers
fervent rose
Nice
whole burrow
and tips to make it easier to read and such
or well anything I can improve on in general
fervent rose
You could break up your code a little more, but it looks really decent
whole burrow
originally
I had move() divided into move_up(), move_down() and so forth
but I ended up changing it since it is more compact like this and tried to make up for readability with the comments
whole burrow
I'll probably port this to numpy, which should allow me to overhaul the algorithm that computes the moves (slide())
because is lets you rotate an array more easily
dawn quiver
it says that pygame isn't installed when i try to import it
it's already installed and in another one of my projects
well, it says this
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pygame'```did you install it into a virtual environment before? @dawn quiver
spiral skiff
@dawn quiver if u are using pycharm, open your project and go to terminal and do pip install pygame
dawn quiver
Command "python setup.py egg_info" failed with error code 1 in C:\Users\User\AppData\Local\Temp\pip-install-2bw2jclv\pygame\
for now, i'm making a new file next to the one where pygame works
but i'd like to know why it just fails here
dawn quiver
@dawn quiver from the command line type -
python -v
this will spit out lots of data showing paths of native libraries
Then type-
import pygame
You should see where pygame is installed from that
that's a lot of data
pygame 2.0.0.dev6 (SDL 2.0.10, python 3.8.1)
Hello from the pygame community. https://www.pygame.org/contribute.html
import 'pygame' # <_frozen_importlib_external.SourceFileLoader object at 0x000001DA5352D6D0>
that's the last couple lines
am i on the wrong version?
look up the list a bit and check the paths of pygame - it should point you in the right direction for your egg_info file
There have been issues with py3.8 and pygame2 maybe consider going back to 3.7
for a more direct route to the path of pygame you can do -
from the command line type -
import imp
imp.find_module('pygame')```i installed python3.7
dawn quiver
i havent really seen much talk about python game dev
what kind of games can you even make besides text-based games or whatever
near wedge
@dawn quiver You can find a list of games made with Panda3d here (https://github.com/Moguri/awesome-panda3d#games-made-with-panda3d). Panda3D is a python library (well, it's also a C++ library, but it provides a Python interface and is install-able with pip).
vestal vessel
can someone provide me with some learning sources for compute shaders ??
good ones ??
idk where should i be asking this question
fierce wraith
@vestal vessel i love cs! what are you trying to do with them?
and what lib are you using?
vestal vessel
im just trying to understand the concept for it ?
@fierce wraith i went through some utube videos but wasnt much of a help so
i was looking for some resources that explains it more properly
btw im trying to start on project for creating a random world. so im just trying to understand most of the underlying components needed to build it
fervent rose
They are pretty simple, they’re just graphical shader with an interface built to make them crunch data easily
vestal vessel
so how do they do it ??
fervent rose
You know how graphical shaders works?
vestal vessel
nope
fervent rose
They're basically code, written using a C like syntax, that run on the GPU
At the most basic level, they just do calculations
In most case they're used to compute graphics
vestal vessel
ohh so u just use them thats all ??
fervent rose
But nothing is stopping you from using them to crunch some data, yep
vestal vessel
ohh then when sud i use pixel shader over compute shader?
fervent rose
When you have something to render
vestal vessel
ohhh i get it now
i was just thinking it was something else smh thnx heaps for clearing things out @fervent rose
fervent rose
Any time
fervent rose
Yes, but I think #algos-and-data-structs would know more about it
vestal vessel
thnx
fierce wraith
a very important detail about compute shaders, fragment shaders etc is that they operate in parallel!! thats what makes them special.
the fragment shader can operate on thousands of fragments at once!
@vestal vessel i suggest watching this talk, she does a great job at explaining how compute shaders work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DLOJPSxJEg
she talks about AMD specifically, but for the most part its the same with NVIDA, stuff just has a different name
vestal vessel
Oh sure thnx heaps @fierce wraith for the link
somber bramble
hey guysss, is it possible to set a local "server" to a second player to login in a local network for playing an python game?
vale yarrow
sure, everything is possible
hot moth
Heya! Anyone knows if its possible to control unity games like youre able to control windows applications with pywinauto? (not talking about pyautogui)
frank fieldBOT
Hey @solar bone!
solar bone
I've made a simple game (Rock, Paper scissors) , it's full functional and I'd like to receive some opinions like How can I make the code more optimal
frank fieldBOT
Hey @solar bone!
solar bone
BTW, how can I send the code? It's longer than 2000 characters
iron galleon
!paste
frank fieldBOT
iron galleon
and it would probably be better to ask for feedback in #303934982764625920
dawn quiver
Did it
import random
import time
numbers = []
last = 0
while True:
numbers.append(random.randint(1, 4))
for index, num in enumerate(numbers[last:]):
print(f"Number #{index}: {num}", end="\r", flush=True)
time.sleep(2)
last = index
print("What were the numbers?", flush=True)
for num in numbers:
n = int(input("Number? "))
if n == num:
continue
else:
print("Whoops, you guessed wrong, try again!")
exit()
Note: I haven't played that game in a while
So this may not be exactly how it works
wicked swift
vale yarrow
the laptop brand is totally unrelated
fervent rose
If you want to do AAA games, you'd need a beefy laptop, otherwise you're fine with any recent one
dawn quiver
@fervent rose you should also add that you don't want to make AAA games using python
dawn quiver
yep
near wedge
A beefier laptop is useful for doing fancy stuff with Panda3D (e.g., playing around with shaders) even if you're not doing a AAA game.
hollow apex
An AAA game doesn't make success, even Celeste (sorry if I spell it wrong) was simple 2D pixel art game but made it to game awards game of the year nominations. I think with python we can recreate it.
But can we remake half-life in python?
vale yarrow
I don't see why not
fervent rose
@near wedge tbh, it is not, you'd need a beefy laptop to build things around, if you can run a modern AAA game, Pandas3d will run more than fine
near wedge
By "beefier" laptop, I was mostly meaning something that has a non-Intel card.
Although, modern Intel GPUs have gotten pretty decent.
rancid yoke
What do you think is better for making small games. Unity or python?
near wedge
In general, Unity is rarely a bad choice. But, which one is better likely depends a lot on your situation and what you are trying to achieve.
If you're already comfortable with Python, like using it, and want to dabble with some game dev, then you might as well grab a library like PyGame or Arcade to play around with 2D games.
If you are a startup studio looking to get a game out quickly, Unity offers a lot of resources like the asset store that can accelerate the development process (especially if you're willing to throw money at the problem).
rancid yoke
i am very new to coding in general and have never done anything with it soooooooooo ok thx
dawn quiver
i heard that unity is decent but very complicated, and that godot is better
rancid yoke
ok thx for the help
potent ice
No matter what you pick.. you will learn things that translates to other libaries / engines
Also, it depends on what you are planning to create
hollow apex
godot is great! its scripting language is GDScript which is heavily inspired by python.
and in general when ever i see unity splash screen at first i think it should be a bad game, don't worry i am not fanatic there are some great games made by unity, Unturned, Heartstone and sundered (maybe spelled wrong) (these games removed unity splansh screen LOL).
fervent rose
Unity is pretty bad in some cases
hollow apex
the only good games made by unity are the ones that simple (in case of graphics) but fun like ravenfield (free on itch.io, paid on steam) its good since its an offline battlefield with good ai, but graphics are too simple.
fervent rose
Yeah, Unity doesn't support advanced technologies used for bigger games, or just photorealist environment
UE4 for instance is a very good choice for modern 3D games imo
Plus, it can be used to other domains than game dev, such as arch vis, live events, automotive..
fervent rose
UE4 for instance is a very good choice for modern 3D games imo
UE4 is a shorter term for Unreal Engine 4
hollow apex
godot is still good for games with simple graphics, its growing and easy to use
tranquil girder
Check out https://www.ursinaengine.org/ Wrapper for panda3d to make it easier to get started and prototype quickly. I'm really biased, but it's much better than Unity in terms of code complexity and scaling. I work with Unity daily on a rather big project and it's soul crushingly slow for bigger projects.
fierce wraith
i would be very surprised if it really scales better than unity! although that would be pretty awesome
@frozen knoll im trying out some of your tmx levels, and i was just wondering if there is a reason the layer ids start at 14 in your level map_with_ladders.tmx
tranquil girder
What I mean is that it scales better in terms of workflow. You can easily load and run just the part of the game you're working on. You don't have to wait for compile after every change you make and can test things faster.
I've been using it for years now actually and panda3d is incredibly stable
The unfinished parts are mostly higher level stuff
But the core is stable.
fierce wraith
ah ok yeah. i always hated waiting for unity to compile
somber bramble
hey guys, quick help with if statement
print(f" Are you sure you want to upgrade? [y/n]")
asw = input("")
if asw == 'y' or 'yes' or 's':
if upg_cst > self.minerals:
print(f" Sorry sir, you have not enough minerals. Value: MN {upg_cst} ")
print()
elif upg_cst < self.minerals:
self.minerals -= upg_cst
self.attack_ships_damage_increase.append(15)
print(f" You have upgraded your attack ships!")
print(f" Your damage bonus now: {sum(self.attack_ships_damage_increase)}")
print()
print(f" Your ships damage now: {self.attack_ships_damage + sum(self.attack_ships_damage_increase)}")
else:
pass
what is wrong with this statement?
when i put "no" as answer, it enters the "yes" flux
even putting different options
this part is inside an if statement as well
but it's returning wrong values somehow
fierce wraith
even though if asw == 'y' or 'yes' or 's': sounds right, it doest do what you think it does
you have to do something like this: if asw == 'y' or asw == 'yes' or asw == 's'
or if asw in ('yes', 'y', 's')
dawn quiver
if ans.lower().startswith('y'): is one I like.
probably looks cleaner with input().lower()
dreamy swan
Does anyone know if unity has python support?
gray girder
Mmm there use to be unity script which I think was similar to JavaScript but that is deprecated
dreamy swan
I’ll take a look.
I don’t want to learn c# for unity only
gray girder
If your into web dev I think Microsoft made a new c# framework for web assembly so it might not be totally useless
@dreamy swan Godot is a really good 2d engine with a simple scripting language similar to python
dreamy swan
I have Godot but I need to learn how to use it soon...
I am gonna try to stick with unity for now
gray girder
Unity is a better choice for 3D anyways good luck
dreamy swan
Ya thanks!
fervent rose
Unity does have unofficial python support
hollow apex
Can a programmer remake half life 1 in python (using any module, slight improvement)? Or at least the uplink demo?
gray girder
Maybe but I wouldn’t suggest doing 3D game development in python
dawn quiver
is it okay if i use this channel for posting a problem (incase u find it rude if i post a question while ur in a discussion)?
gray girder
If you don’t want to use an pre existing engine you would probably need to learn C or C++ or java or maybe rust
Use a help channel lol unless it’s game dev related
dawn quiver
its game related
gray girder
Probably okay
dawn quiver
guys im making a game and right now im working on shooting a bullet so i have coded it a little bit and tested it but it didnt work out as planning if possible could you please help me with the code im using pygame 1.9.6
class Entity:
life = 1
ex = None
ey = None
target = None
vel = None
entity = None
def set_life(self, n: int):
self.life = n
def check_life(self):
if self.life == 0:
return False
else:
return True
def get_pos(self):
return self.ex, self.ey
def get_type(self):
return self.__class__.__name__
def update(self, ex, ey):
surface.blit(self.entity, (ex, ey))
def get_vel(self):
return self.vel
class EntityManager:
entities = {"Bullet": []}
states = []
def add_entity(self, entity):
self.entities[entity.get_type()].append(entity)
def run(self):
for type_ in self.entities:
for entity in self.entities[type_]:
ex, ey = entity.get_pos()
vel = entity.vel
if entity.target is None:
entity.update(ex, ey)
elif entity.check_life():
tx, ty = entity.target
if tx != ex and tx > ex:
ex += vel
elif tx != ex and tx < ex:
ex -= vel
elif ty != ey and tx > ey:
ey += vel
elif ty != ey and tx < ey:
ey -= vel
entity.update(ex, ey)
entity.set_life(entity.life - 1)
if entity.life == 0:
self.states.append(False)
return self.states
class Bullet(Entity):
ranges = {'m4': 20}
entity = pygame.image.load("game/Assets/images/Bullet.png")
vel = 5
def __init__(self, px: int, py: int, w: int, h: int, mx: int, my: int, gun_name='m4'):
self.ex = px + w/2
self.ey = py + h/2
self.life = self.ranges[gun_name]
self.target = (mx, my)
really sorry for taking your time, Please ping me or DM me.
fallen river
sorry i cant help cause im starter and i really cant do much.
potent zinc
why doesnt this work
import pygame, sys
pygame.init()
pygame.display.set_caption('Adventures of Joe')
windowSize=(400,400)
screen = pygame.display.set_mode(windowSize,0,32)
player_image = pygame.image.load('player.png')
moving_right=False
moving_left=False
player_location=[200,200]
player_y_momentum = 0
player_rect = pygame.rect(player_location[0].player_location[1].player_image.get_width().player_image.get_height())
test_rect = pygame.rect(100,100,100,50)
while True:
screen.fll((146,244,255))
screen.blit(player_image,player_location)
if player_location[1] > windowSize[1] - player_image.get_height():
player_y_momentum = -player_y_momentum
else:
player_y_momentum += 0.2
player_location[1] += player_y_momentum
if moving_right == True:
player_location[0] += 4
if moving_left == True:
player_location[0] -= 4
player_rect.x = player_location[0]
player_rect.y = player_location[1]
if player_rect.colliderect(test_rect):
pygame.draw.Rect(screen,(255,0,0),test_rect)
else:
pygame.draw.Rect(screen,(0,0,0),test_rect)
for event in pygame.event.get():
if event.type == QUIT:
pygame.quit()
sys.exit()
if event.type == KEYDOWN:
if event.key == K_RIGHT:
moving_right = True
if even.key == K_LEFT:
moving_left = True
if event.type == KEYUP:
if event.key == K_RIGHT:
moving_right = False
if event.key == K_LEFT:
moving_right = False
pygame.display.update()
What is the problem?
potent zinc
@dreamy swan ```
File "C:/Users/FAMILY/Downloads/lol.py", line 1, in <module>
import pygame, sys
File "C:/Users/FAMILY/Downloads\pygame.py", line 3, in <module>
from pygame.locals import *
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'pygame.locals'; 'pygame' is not a package
Did you install pygame with command prompt?
potent zinc
ye
dreamy swan
I don’t really know then...
Maybe make sure you installed to the right user?
potent zinc
C:\Users\FAMILY>python -m pip install --user pygame Requirement already satisfied: pygame in c:\users\family\appdata\roaming\python\python38\site-packages (1.9.6)
dreamy swan
Hmm...
I don’t know then sorry
dreamy swan
Ah...
Got it then?
potent zinc
ye
dawn quiver
@foggy python If I wanted to use your font, would i have to make it into a font from the image and learn how to do that?
or do you already have a file?
i don't mind much learning
foggy python
if you look at my games, it's typically stored in a single image per font
and my scripts cut out the characters
and store them in a dict
dawn quiver
your scripts?
you can make a script to cut a piece of an image?
that would take a while to write a long text
foggy python
If you take a look at my code, I’ve got a clip() function for cutting out portions of an image.
Performance is fine if you cache characters into a dict
Just take a look at my text.py script in almost any of my games to see how it works.
ember cloud
What is the best engine for City Building Game?
hollow apex
every engine is made to make games, that's right that some engines are made only for a specfic game but most of them are like programming language, could do anything.
dreamy swan
What languages are you EXTREMELY comfortable with? @ember cloud
dreamy swan
I am personally using unity
fervent rose
If you want to have a photorealistic environment, you'd have to use Unreal
hollow apex
godot is an easy to use one, also free and open source
fervent rose
Unreal and Unity are open source too
And free, expect for unreal if you earn more than $3000/3 months
hollow apex
oh? i thought they were paid
fervent rose
Unreal used to be paid, but now it is free, and I think Unity have always been free
hollow apex
unity isn't free if you earn more than 1000 or 10000/year
fervent rose
Well, if you reach those limit, you morally need to give something back, even if it is totally free
dreamy swan
ya I stopped wanting to use Unreal when I saw the bull that they want for money and legal...
I read that entire EULA
dreamy swan
that is when I read it...
Lol
fierce wraith
can you blame them? its pretty good software so ofc they want money if you make something profitable lol
dreamy swan
after they changed
fervent rose
I mean, it is still pretty fair
Even the selling condition of the EGS is pretty fair, compared to steam
dreamy swan
ya...
I like Unity more tbh
But I need to learn C# to use it effectively
and I don't like OOP
hollow apex
epic games store is just come for profit, it just shatters pc community
fervent rose
No?
hollow apex
having serval clients is a pain
fervent rose
Like, giving more money to devs come for profit?
I mean, Unity is about OOP too, I can't imagine making a game without OOP
fervent rose
They are actively developing it
dreamy swan
I mean C# is OOP and I don't like OOP languages
fervent rose
Yes, but.. You can't really make a game without something close to OOP
hollow apex
OOP lets you code common things once for every object that has it (inhritance system)
fervent rose
I quite like the concept of OOP personally
It creates a pyramidal structure that is very useful for game dev
ember cloud
Python @dreamy swan
ember cloud
https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/71604/64254 Can any one answer this question
https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/72561/64254 and this https://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com/q/72562/64254
@everyone
sage bluff
my game engine is officialy faster than pygame lol
its faster than python itself lel
heres the game engine translating a few lines of code into c++ code:
#define SDL_MAIN_HANDLED
#include<SDL2/SDL.h>
#include<iostream>
#include<stdio.h>
using namespace std;
#include <stdio.h>
int main(int argc, char* argv[]){
SDL_Window *window; // Declare a pointer
SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO); // Initialize SDL2
// Create an application window with the following settings:
window = SDL_CreateWindow(
"An SDL2 window", // window title
SDL_WINDOWPOS_UNDEFINED, // initial x position
SDL_WINDOWPOS_UNDEFINED, // initial y position
640, // width, in pixels
480, // height, in pixels
SDL_WINDOW_OPENGL // flags - see below
);
// Check that the window was successfully created
if (window == NULL) {
// In the case that the window could not be made...
printf("Could not create window: %s", SDL_GetError());
return 1;
}
// The window is open: could enter program loop here (see SDL_PollEvent())
SDL_Delay(3000); // Pause execution for 3000 milliseconds, for example
// Close and destroy the window
SDL_DestroyWindow(window);
// Clean up
SDL_Quit();
return 0;
}
@ember cloud dont try to ping everyone and dont post your stackoverflow questions here, ask them instead.
@sage bluff this channel is really just for python game development, so unless you are making a python gameengine using cpp...
somber bramble
guys
any tips on balancing a game
i'll throw it here and if anybody could contribute, i'm a little lost on this.
the game is a TBS (3 turns and a possibility of attack the enemy (or not)) based in the space.
has 4 races and I want them to have mechanics, but not in a unbalanced way
it's singleplayer but i want to make it multiplayer
the keys on the game are costs of ships
and minerals
the economy is based on minerals and population, a % of population mines the planet itself, but the mining ships (that mines meteors) mines a lot more
sage bluff
@fierce wraith actually i do have a python game engine that uses cpp
🙂
the package is called xgame
i just released the beta
you can get it via pip install XGame
(mods please delete this if this is aginst rules very sorry)
gray girder
@sage bluff Is your library faster then pygame. If so that’s really impressive work
Well it’s impressive either way honestly
sage bluff
@gray girder 100x faster than pygame lol
the library uses c++ for the speed
but you have to install stuff to use the library
like mingw for compiling
one day this will change
gray girder
If I installed code blocks which Comes with that compiler will it work straight out of the box with the pip install
Or should I install the compiler stand alone
gray girder
@sage bluff
somber bramble
guys, sorry for interrupting, anybody has any good guide on sockets for multiplayer games?
tranquil sentinel
Goal:bus move to i then stop then automatically go to i+1 and so on
if something > 0:
i += 1 need this var to keep adding after bus_stop , for loop is too fast for my game
run a bus
if bus_stop:
start over from if something > 0
#tried while !bus_stop but crashes
elif !bus_stop:
wait until bus_stop = true which will start over
func _run_at_the_same_time1():
if bus_hit_something:
bus_stop = true```@me
need help
sage bluff
@gray girder your going to want to have the mingw command line version
im not too sure about code blocks
gray girder
can i have both installed without causing problems... I'm pretty new to that low level stuff
tranquil sentinel
This is in GDscript btw. It just use same syntax as python
ember cloud
I like the GDScript btw but I need a easy to use game engine with python
fierce wraith
@sage bluff what are you doing differently from pygame?
sage bluff
@gray girder probably
can i have both installed without causing problems... I'm pretty new to that low level stuff
@gray girder
just view the mingw setup as listed
@fierce wraith XGame:
- is NOT using python for runtime
- uses c/c++
- uses sdl library
- is overall faster 🙂
and im still adding updates to make the package even better
currently the package can let you build simple programs or sdl games
mint zenith
If you release wheels on pypi the need for installing a compiler will be removed for end users.
fervent rose
Except if you don't have wheel for a certain arch, and this arch wants the package
potent zinc
can someone help me with pygame
mint zenith
@void sluice Just pick a single random y coordinate say, for the bottom end of the top pipe. Then if you add the size of the gap to that random value, you'll have the y coordinate for the top end of the bottom pipe.
ember cloud
I need a help with audio engine, gui framework and a game engine for my game?
void sluice
@void sluice Just pick a single random y coordinate say, for the bottom end of the top pipe. Then if you add the size of the gap to that random value, you'll have the y coordinate for the top end of the bottom pipe.
@mint zenith Thanks
frozen knoll
@sage bluff "Overall Faster" is kind of vague. Try some open/reproducable benchmarks. See here for an example: https://arcade.academy/arcade_vs_pygame_performance.html
potent ice
@sage bluff Where is the source code? The package just link to google. Also, there is no docs anywhere. You are not giving people any incentive to use your package.
frozen knoll
Arcade 2.3.9 is out: https://arcade.academy/release_notes.html
timid river
I am planning on writing a 3d game engine in python3. Where is a good starting point?
I am also planning on making an editor for this game engine.
In the far future.
fervent rose
Firstly you should choose which library do you want to use
timid river
I was thinking of using pyglet
fervent rose
Well, are you familiar with it?
fervent rose
You should do some more basic apps with it first, in order to know it better
timid river
ok. thanks!
rain socket
Mee too I am making a 3D game engine
that's about 2 months
Gonna finish it this week I think
fierce wraith
@rain socket very cool! care to share?
rain socket
Yeah but I need to finish it totally, it will don't work to you if I export it
fierce wraith
what kind of stuff are you doing with your engine?
rain socket
I am working on the txt file where we can program 3D blocks building etc
sage bluff
@potent ice xgame is fairly new everythings a work in progress so things like source code are not avaible
you can view documentation by doing XGame.docs()
or you can do XGame.tutorial() which will install the needed software to use the engine
potent ice
Why are not source available? 🙂
potent ice
I would not run anything unless I at least skimmed through the code 🙂
sage bluff
ill be making a veiwable github repo for it soon
potent ice
Don't worry about that. Just get it out there 😉
sage bluff
@potent ice since xgame uses c/c++ this makes xgame THE most fastest game engine
im planning to add things like easier variable creation
potent ice
There are several projects also using c/c++
potent ice
Panda3D and related projects, moderngl and even pygame
sage bluff
pygame and moderngl are quite slow
potent ice
but you may get better performance if you use a different approach and greatly reduce flexibility
potent ice
What makes your project so much faster?
potent ice
How does python interact with it?
sage bluff
it simply is used to create the file with minor to no knowledge of c++
still shard
what file?
still shard
lol
So, basically, all Python does is to create some boiler plate code
that really isn't a python game engine then
sage bluff
game = XGame.game("hello")
@game.code
def code():
return XGame.FreeStyle(
XGame.Main(
XGame.Log("hello world")
)
)
game.debug(output="hello_test") #compiles and runs
@still shard well python is used to write the code without needing to know much about c/c++
the point of xgame is intended to be a simple and very fast engine
potent ice
So I could end up writing some logic in python that does not translate? I have to follow a strict api?
sage bluff
@potent ice all the code for your game is converted to c/c++
but yes you have to follow xgames api
right now im getting docs together so xgame is more understandable
potent ice
Sounds like a lot of work 😄
sage bluff
it is
@potent ice you also can see the converted code when running your xgame script
or you can just do print(xgame.Main())
potent ice
Well. Good luck with the project. It could be a useful experiment.
potent ice
What can you do with it? It is SDL rendering?
potent ice
Ok. so like pygame
sage bluff
xgame can be used for developing basic scripts
i forgot to mention you can do opengl in xgame, or any c++ package
potent ice
I might look at in the future if you post updates, but right now I have more then enough to do on the moderngl project
sage bluff
kk
still shard
It wuold be more useful to be able to write freeform in python, than to actually use C++ packages
because someone who knows C++ won't be using your stuff if they have to write python
even if it is just partially
potent ice
Post update when you reach the next goal. docs and repo up etc
sage bluff
@still shard @potent ice will do
still shard
There are a lot of rendering engines out there for C++ which are really good and don't need a strict form
e.g. OGRE or Irr
just to name two
sage bluff
also @still shard xgame is as stated for making c++ games or programs using python
everyone loves simplicity 🙂
and making a c++ game is not as easy as it sounds lol unless you use unreal
still shard
simplicity is something else than strictness
you are writing a transpiler, but you are mixing two languages
and that won't bode well in my opinion
but good luck
sage bluff
thanks
dreamy swan
Unity is just mean to learn so a good python engine other than pygame would be nice in my opinion
potent ice
I think there are room for game engines doing one type of game type well at least. Simple python interface were C/C++ does the heavy work in the back.
still shard
Yes, but I think it should provide a native python interface without the need for a strict setup
still shard
I think @sage bluff would be better off using python embedded for his idea
so the scripts can be written relatively freely
add a C++ api to that to allow for more freedom and it becomes a shoe
potent ice
And of course provide wheels for win, osx and linux
Unless you are on linux people are not going to build it 😄
(most people at least)
sage bluff
@potent ice ill try that but im on windows and i have no idea how to make it crossplatform like that
potent ice
You can use Ci systems to build it for you
sage bluff
kk
potent ice
and even make it release to pypi automatically for all platforms
sage bluff
rn im adding a translation that lets you create windows in xgame 😉
XGame.Window(create=True,name="hi",flags=[],x=0,y=0,w=50,h=50)
{
SDL_Window* win = NULL;
win = SDL_CreateWindow(args from previous function)
}
translater functions are op
dull swallow
Heya everyone, me and a friend are making a game, and i plan to add multiplayer support, but how would i make it so the server can tell between the official client and a custom client? Because i want to give people the ability to disallow custom clients, as my friend pointed out that it is possible to exploit and ruin the game for everyone (it will be opensource)
frozen knoll
Honestly, I'm not sure you really can.
Closed source, you could make it more difficult.
But you only know what is sent over the network. You can't really inspect the client code.
potent ice
It's a challenge for sure
dull swallow
Yeah, it is an issue me and my friend are experiencing
potent ice
I know a lot of games add a lot of obscurity to make it more difficult, but if people really want to they can do it
Cheat detection are normally added in separate systems
For example movement tracking.
dull swallow
Yes, but if i am opensourcing the game and the server software, everything becomes more difficult
Which is the issue i am running into
I could add some code that only the official builds would have?
It would probably be turned into a .so file with Cython so i can try to import it, if it fails, do not send that data
potent ice
That can always be extracted
dull swallow
I know
But it adds a simple layer of complexity at least
But i am not sure what to do
potent ice
yeah, you can also send the client version and hash
dull swallow
The hash?
dull swallow
Oh! That actually seems like a good idea!
Wait
But if i am distributing it to multiple platforms
potent ice
Of course a fake client can also fake this
dull swallow
Won't the hashes be different?
Mhm
Also modifications of the original client since it'll accept mods
But that can be avoided by disabling mods completely in the server selection screen
And disabling them within game
potent ice
Depending on the game it might just be better to make some simple karma system
Simple sanity checks for how often certain actions can be done for example
so if the client sends some type of events too often.. it will throttle the user and alert admins or just kick
Item interaction for example
sage bluff
Heya everyone, me and a friend are making a game, and i plan to add multiplayer support, but how would i make it so the server can tell between the official client and a custom client? Because i want to give people the ability to disallow custom clients, as my friend pointed out that it is possible to exploit and ruin the game for everyone (it will be opensource)
@dull swallow my idea is 1. your game should be compiled
compiling a game is a great way to prevent code from being edited
and you can make a mod mode where people can use .json or .py to modify game
like hp or whatever
potent ice
I know some games also use custom encryption with rotating keys/secrets so it gets a lot more painful
sage bluff
you dont need that complex stuff
just convert the game to a .exe
much faster
code isnt editable all good
dull swallow
I do not know how i would compile the game @sage bluff, because it can always be decompiled anyway
sage bluff
and you can make a json loader system to add mods
potent ice
The project is opensource...
dull swallow
It will be able to load Lua, Python and probably simple json mods
sage bluff
but even if you did make the client non modifyable
dull swallow
@potent ice i am planning on making a pre-compiled/packaged 'official' build
sage bluff
theres ways to make a hacked client
you should make everything serverside and add anti cheats
dull swallow
I have pointed this out before but thank you for helping
That is a good idea actually
dull swallow
Yeah i said i can use Cython to make a .so file that is only required in the official client
potent ice
It's like a linux dll
dull swallow
Wait, .so files can not be imported on windows can they?
sage bluff
no
dull swallow
Oh, so i would have to make that a .dll file then
sage bluff
i highly recommend you just use cx_freeze or cython and just make different versions for different operating systems
dull swallow
That is what i am going to do
But how would i specify whether to make a .dll or .so file?
potent ice
I guess you have to build it on each os?
dull swallow
I don't have windows at all...
potent ice
Just start a VM. WIn 10 is free
dull swallow
I can not be bothered with VMs, they annoy me quite alot
I will probably ask my friend to compile it if he has a windows PC at his disposal
potent ice
hmm. Can Ci systems build it? No idea.
I do build wheels for win, linux and os x on for example travis-ci
potent ice
The can run python and pip and run any os
Maybe even github actions can do it. Havent checked
dull swallow
Oh? That sounds excellent then
sage bluff
@dull swallow what kind of game are you making
dull swallow
Thank you for helping me!
sage bluff
im intrigued
dull swallow
Well, it is a factory based game, where you mine resources, you'll have to build a base and defend against invaders that will try to destroy your Hub
It is like Factory Idle
sage bluff
oo nic
dull swallow
But
sage bluff
nice
dull swallow
More modable
I realised this was a good idea since there isn't many games with this sort of idea out there
You will also be able to make mods in Lua, Python, JSON files for really simple mods, and maybe even C or C++
potent ice
I would say as a minimum you should at least have a karma system to ensure a bot cannot for example replay a game at 10x speed
dull swallow
What do you mean replay a game?
potent ice
unless there is some other mechanic that makes this impossible
Is there some kind of versus mode?
dull swallow
The game won't be in matches, but there will be waves of enemies that will come along every 1-3 minute interval
Probably an attack mode
potent ice
So cheating will not negatively affect another player in a large degree?
dull swallow
But then they will have to gain resources for those factories
honest scarab
is it multiplayer or singleplayer? still confused
dull swallow
Yup, but i still want to verify the clients for some people who want that
@honest scarab multiple modes
So an option for single player and multiplayer
honest scarab
allow mods for singleplayer, restrict them in mp
honest scarab
maybe only allow client sided stuff
potent ice
You can have an "are you a real player"-challenge 😉
Ask questions that only a human can easily answer
but maybe that can be a bit annoying
honest scarab
like graphics mods. Dont know much about modding, but Lua sounds pretty good for multiplayer as you can allow and restrict specific commands afaik
if sb has enough recources he will always be able to break multiplayer
like for your questions, some screen capture software that can extract the text from screen and then an algorithm to solve them
if you want to keep your game bot-free, you have to make it too much of a time investment to get one working
I mean - you could catch bots that are on 24/7 - but then the botter just emulates day/night circles and the cat-and-mice game starts again
dull swallow
Bots will not be completely disallowed, but an option to disable custom clients from joining a server will be useful to some people, and the ability to disable bots (they would have their own API) would also be useful to people
@honest scarab also, we are using Lupa to embed Lua into our code
This will allow for some very interesting possibilities
dull swallow
No, the server software is also opensource
I do not have anywhere where i would even host my own server eheheh
honest scarab
amazon web services for example
dull swallow
I do not even have a credit card
I have a raspberry pi
But then it'd be prone to DDoS attacks
dreamy swan
I think having self hosted servers is good so that I’d say your computer goes down they can still play
dull swallow
Yup
fervent rose
Hosting something on a home connection is quite hard and error prone though
potent zinc
like a discord bot per example?
fervent rose
If you have any internet or electricity issue for instance, the bot became offline
potent zinc
yup.
fervent rose
Plus you loose a part of your internet speed
potent zinc
Is there any free bot hosting system
dawn quiver
What's your opinion on game development with JavaScript?
potent zinc
Try asking Discord.js Official
fervent rose
There is heroku and python anywhere that have permanent free tier I think, and all popular host have a temporary free tier
potent zinc
I heard bad things about heroku
fervent rose
@dawn quiver it is pretty limited, because you have to make the user download the whole game everytime they want to play it, you can't go too hard on graphics, neither do a reasonably good looking 3d
@potent zinc I never tried it personally
I don't know
potent zinc
ok
humble berry
You are hosting a python based discord bot?
fervent rose
I tried repl.it though, it is garbage
The bot goes down constantly
It isn't an hosting service
humble berry
It's not as complex as heroku
fervent rose
Depends on what you want to do, as always
dawn quiver
can you use more than two languages for a game
if so, how?
maybe like one language for backend the other for graphics and other stuff
fervent rose
You can’t really separate them like this
Are you talking about making a game from scratch and make the engine with it, or using a premade engine?
dawn quiver
yes
fervent rose
From scratch or using an engine?
dawn quiver
frm scratch
fervent rose
Then you’ll probably have to use different language yep
At least one for the engine itself, and one for the shader rendering your game
queen surge
Hosting on heroku is surprisingly not that complex
But it is ultimately more suited toward hosting website instead, and is not really suited for a discord.bot
fierce wraith
how would generate the red points with the blue dot as (0,0)? with some arbitrary r. the coords should always be full integers.
hmm. is that just a square with side length r tilted 45deg?
or is that just because of my terrible paint skills
fervent rose
You want to generate all points with integer coordinate numbers inside the circle?
fierce wraith
yup
potent ice
Purpose of this is?
fierce wraith
rn im just looping from -r//2, r//2 on x/y and filtering out points that are too far away
finding the chunks that are <=r away from the camera @potent ice
potent ice
Can't you just use the distance to the chunk?
Distance to chunk corners a bit more accurate
@fierce wraith yes no maybe? 😉
fierce wraith
what do you mean by that?
def positions_in_radius(position: Point, radius: int):
out = []
for z in range(-radius // 2, radius // 2):
for x in range(-radius // 2, radius // 2):
if World.distance_to(Point(x, 0, z), Point(0, 0, 0)) <= radius:
out.append(Point(x + position.x, position.y, z + position.z))
return out```thats what i have rn
fervent rose
That's what I was going to suggest haha
frank fieldBOT
Hey @dawn quiver!
potent ice
That looks very complicated for finding chunks inside a radius of a point
fierce wraith
how else would i do it?
potent ice
for chunk in chunks:
d = distance(player, chunk)
if d < r:
blah
But I guess you store chunks in a 2d array, so you can loop chunks inside the square using the radius
then that filter will weed out the corners making it circle ish
Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here?
fervent rose
Ah it doesn't have to be a perfect circle
You could also an otcagonal-y looking shape by cutting triangles in a square angles
potent ice
Yeah. could just make an R * 2 quare and filter them on distance
fierce wraith
i cant to for chunk in chunks because i might not have loaded the chunks yet and they need to be generated
potent ice
You know what chunk you are standing on and the radius
potent ice
bah. I should take a break from the computer. You are doing exactly what I suggested 🤦♀️
fierce wraith
hhaha thats fine 😉
potent ice
So that thing will run when you leave a chunk / enter new chunk I guess?
Keep track of the player/cameras chunk location and update when it changes
Because at 100 fps you don't want to do that every frame
potent ice
@potent zinc https://blubbervision.neocities.org/pygame/ is the current backup
wiki links don't work, but must doc pages do
potent ice
You could look at examples : https://github.com/pygame/pygame/tree/master/examples
fierce wraith
well for the first time ever ive made a trello board. lets see how this works out haha
ahaha
already have this:
fierce wraith
eyy decreased file size 3x
significantly decreased load time too 🙂
but now i've completed the only easy thing on the todo list 😦
potent ice
Why not use github project with basic kanban + issues instead? 😉
potent ice
It's at least a simpler solution if you want to collaborate
wheat marlin
So I want to make thing when I give it a maze(image) and then it solve it
How do I do that
fierce wraith
You could use something like A* or some other pathfinding algo
frozen knoll
@potent zinc you can look at http://programarcadegames.com/
That starts from scratch.
Or if you aren't sold on PyGame, Arcade: https://learn.arcade.academy/
fierce wraith
cough cough @potent ice cough cough. i heard you know a thing or two about making games. you gonna take part in the game jam?
potent ice
I'm getting old and I have a lot of work to do on other project. I'll think about it.
Not really that creative tbh. Worked more on the techincal side of things
topaz rock
Hello, I'am trying to use GIFs in pyGame. I found a good looking pygame GIF "addon" (https://web.archive.org/web/20180519174909/http://ajaxvm.com/downloads/GIFImage.py)
Now there is a really weird overlapping effect on the gif. Do you have any Idea how I can fix this. Now in the right channel I think
fierce wraith
fair enough, maybe next time itll be a moderngl game jam 😉
@frozen knoll does arcade allow you to execute shaders in some way?
specifically a fragment shader
tulip basalt
Anybody have an empty space for the gamejam, I can join!
dawn quiver
Heyho, this is a little different request, but maybe someone got heart for that and might wanna help a little.
I´ve read all TOS and guidelines and hope i am acting right, so if anyone sees a technical flaw of method pls be kind and tell me! =]
OK, i have a small Team working on a Mod for >Star Trek Bridge Commander< from 2002 in Python 1.X...
i know i know, old tech so this request is more of a idealistic one. The game engine is Netimmerse 3.2/Early Gamebryo and the mod we are working on is the more or less famous >Kobayashi Maru<. Our goal is to make a persistant world this time with all the 30+ Starsystems in the mod and add some more eyecandy.
What we did until now is: We added Widescreen Support, made it directX11 compatible thru injection and therfor could add a bunch of shaders. Work in progress now is adding 8k planet textures to give it a nice look, working on lightning etc.
The Python conquest would be to go over all existing mods in KM2011, renew them, fix errors, add functions like new rooms, options, stellar cartography, fix the star systems and scaling.
This is truly for someone who loves Star Trek and is very idealistic about that.
And again i´m sorry if i misunderstood the TOS here i really do believe that my helprequest is OK, if not pls correct me
i´ll add 3-4 screenshots in just a second, thank you for reading.
frozen knoll
@fierce wraith If you are looking to use shaders, I'd just use a PyGame /ModernGL combo. Arcade is designed to be easy-to-use.
@dawn quiver PyGame is older and has more of a 'following'. Arcade uses OpenGL for batch drawing of sprites by default, which is pretty fast. https://arcade.academy/pygame_comparison.html
fierce wraith
@frozen knoll yeah im used to moderngl, but was hoping some of my knowledge could be used with arcade
frozen knoll
@dawn quiver It is a language used by graphics engine on your computer. OpenGL graphics can offload a lot of processing to your graphics card which speeds graphics a lot.\
@fierce wraith Arcade focuses mostly on the mechanics, and less on the look. I'd really like to get lights added to it.