game-development

[dawn quiver]

im following a tutorial on how to make my sprite move while tweaking my code a bit i stumbled on this problem where when i run the code it just shows a black screen
this is my code :

import pygame as py


py.init()

#_______________window-zone___________
py.display.set_caption("To Nowhere")
screen = py.display.set_mode((970,490))

pygame_ico= py.image.load("D:/code storage/py/images/medium_rocket.png")
py.display.set_icon(pygame_ico)
clock = py.time.Clock()


#___________player-zone__________

player_img = py.image.load(r"D:/code storage/py/images/small_rocket.png")


fps = 60
x = 100
y = 100


velocity = 12

py.display.flip()

runing = True

while runing:

    clock.tick(fps)
    screen.fill((0, 79, 169))
    screen.blit(player_img, (x, y))
    

#__________genarator_output_______
    for event in py.event.get():

        if event.type == py.QUIT:
            runing = False
            py.quit()
            quit()

#___________player_inputs__________
key_pressed = py.key.get_pressed()

if key_pressed[py.K_LEFT]:
    x -= 8
if key_pressed[py.K_RIGHT]:
    x += 8
if key_pressed[py.K_UP]: 
    y -= 8
if key_pressed[py.K_DOWN]:
    y += 8

    py.display.update()
    ```

the tutorial

# Importing pygame module 
import pygame 
from pygame.locals import *

# initiate pygame and give permission 
# to use pygame's functionality. 
pygame.init() 

# create the display surface object 
# of specific dimension. 
window = pygame.display.set_mode((600, 600)) 

# Add caption in the window 
pygame.display.set_caption('Player Movement') 

# Initializing the clock 
# Clocks are used to track and 
# control the frame-rate of a game 
clock = pygame.time.Clock() 

# Add player sprite 
image = pygame.image.load(r"D:\code storage\py\images\small_rocket.png") 


# Store the initial 
# coordinates of the player in 
# two variables i.e. x and y. 
x = 100
y = 100

# Create a variable to store the 
# velocity of player's movement 
velocity = 12

# Creating an Infinite loop 
run = True
while run: 

    # Set the frame rates to 60 fps 

    fps = 120
    clock.tick(fps) 

    # Filling the background with 
    # white color 
    window.fill((255, 255, 255)) 

    # Display the player sprite at x 
    # and y coordinates 
    window.blit(image, (x, y)) 

    # iterate over the list of Event objects 
    # that was returned by pygame.event.get() method. 
    for event in pygame.event.get(): 

        # Closing the window and program if the 
        # type of the event is QUIT 
        if event.type == pygame.QUIT: 
            run = False
            pygame.quit() 
            quit() 

    # Storing the key pressed in a 
    # new variable using key.get_pressed() 
    # method 
    key_pressed_is = pygame.key.get_pressed() 

    # Changing the coordinates 
    # of the player 
    if key_pressed_is[K_LEFT]: 
        x -= 1
    if key_pressed_is[K_RIGHT]: 
        x += 1
    if key_pressed_is[K_UP]: 
        y -= 1
    if key_pressed_is[K_DOWN]: 
        y += 1

    # Draws the surface object to the screen. 
    pygame.display.update() 

please help

i have tried a lot of thing

still no worky

[random oyster]

py.init()

#_______________window-zone___________
py.display.set_caption("To Nowhere")
screen = py.display.set_mode((970,490))

pygame_ico= py.image.load("D:/code storage/py/images/medium_rocket.png")
py.display.set_icon(pygame_ico)
clock = py.time.Clock()


#___________player-zone__________

player_img = py.image.load(r"D:/code storage/py/images/small_rocket.png")


fps = 60
x = 100
y = 100


velocity = 12

runing = True

while runing:

    clock.tick(fps)
    screen.fill((0, 79, 169))
    screen.blit(player_img, (x, y))
    

#__________genarator_output_______
    for event in py.event.get():

        if event.type == py.QUIT:
            runing = False
            py.quit()
            quit()

#___________player_inputs__________
    key_pressed = py.key.get_pressed()

    if key_pressed[py.K_LEFT]:
        x -= 8
    if key_pressed[py.K_RIGHT]:
        x += 8
    if key_pressed[py.K_UP]: 
        y -= 8
    if key_pressed[py.K_DOWN]:
        y += 8
        
    py.display.flip()```

idrk what you're tring to do but i assume you just want the character to move

hope this helps

[honest heron]

@dawn quiver I ran into a similiar problem I think the issue was updating the display. I looked around and another fix would be to fill the color with a screen so that it cna update

I filled it with 0,0,0

and it fixed itself

[cinder spire]

I'm working on my Pygame project and it works fine so far, except when I press a key, it registers more then 1 event, which means a number goes from 1 to 5 in one press instead of 1 to 2. I can't add some sort of wait because that would block the entire game. Any solutions?

[brisk yew]

how are you checking for these "events", are you actually using the event loop or get_pressed?

[unreal river]

I've been waiting for the pygame-ce Window class and it feels great that I don't have to use pygame.display anymore

[rancid stone]

https://github.com/FallenDeity/Mugen how would u go about adding infinite world generation in this need some ideas kinda beginner here

currently i use fixed world size to generate a numpy array keeping track of the world and a list of chunks and i build the vertex array or vao when its in frustum view of the user and render it

[fallow finch]

huh

its coder space's engine

[rancid stone]

yeah

rewriting it watched his yt

[fallow finch]

if you're beginner i don't really recommend this codebase

some parts like the bit packing to reduce vram use arent beginner friendly

[rancid stone]

i get the idea of it tho i am more of a beginner to game dev than "programming"

kinda like c struct packing also ig but more bit manipulation i suppose

[fallow finch]

its like c struct packing

same concept

[rancid stone]

yeah

[fallow finch]

but the packing is done in python and the unpacking in glsl

C can just use __attribute__((packed)) so the python code is actually more complex

but manual packing is still more common in C

[rancid stone]

right well here its 32 bits so its fine i said bit like c struct packing cause over ur word size cpu cycles also come into play

[fallow finch]

its not a problem for python

but it can be with numba i guess

(the thing that compiles to llvm)

[rancid stone]

mhm

python be like "infinite" numbers

[fallow finch]

yea but a simple bitwise operation is slow as fuck

python can't even make a fast enough NES emulator because of this

[rancid stone]

😔

[fallow finch]

numba is good but it adds complexity

[rancid stone]

lmao i used walrus op in the numba code it fked me up for over an hour debugging b4 i realised it doesnt work in numba for some reason

[fallow finch]

numba didnt support it yet i guess

i'm average walrus enjoyer too

[rancid stone]

do u have an idea on how u might approach infinite generation in this?

[fallow finch]

do you have experience with infinite generation in other games

do you know how it works in minecraft

[rancid stone]

not really i would assume its more of like generating chunks on demand based on camera position and (near, far) and at certain point where ur some delta away from old chunks its yeeted out from memory

[fallow finch]

you have to create a region system in the world class

like minecraft does

the regions have to be saved to files too

[rancid stone]

that saving is done if u modify the blocks in that region right i would assume thats the point of saving it

[fallow finch]

it would be too heavy to save each time a block is modified

minecraft saves when you open a menu

like when you press Esc

[rancid stone]

no like when its yeeted out of memory? thats when its saved right?

[fallow finch]

you have to save the regions that are unloaded yea

[rancid stone]

i see

[fallow finch]

you start at region (0 0)

and then exploring the world can create more around it

[rancid stone]

https://github.com/FallenDeity/Mugen/blob/12930ac7de0b5cceab4d8fa3f3c9d372aaac2bc3/mugen/components/world.py#L21 probably need to rework the voxel system here with a dynamic array of some sort and rework the "world coordinate system" to work without the whole worlds voxels

[frank field]

mugen/components/world.py line 21

self.voxels = np.empty([WORLD.VOLUME, CHUNK.VOLUME], dtype=np.uint8)```

[fallow finch]

yea this looks a bit limitating for infinite world generation

[rancid stone]

mhm

[upper dove]

Which is an easier library? Pygame or Arcade?

[unreal river]

For beginners probably arcade

[upper dove]

aswell as for intermediate and advanced?

cuz pygame is a time waster library

so many things to do to make it work

[unreal river]

For me pygame(-ce) is the best for intermediate and advanced

[unreal river]

It gives more flexibility

[upper dove]

i was just testing how fast i can right

[unreal river]

not really a time waster

[upper dove]

so many things to do

[unreal river]

Why are you basing on how fast you can write?

[upper dove]

i am not

[unreal river]

Well there are at the initial setup of your game, but after you're done setting up the basics it's really up to your game's code

[upper dove]

what about arcade?

how do you make this game? made with https://store.steampowered.com/app/2596940/Isometria/

Steam

Isometria

Welcome to IsometriaEmbark on an epic journey into the boundless realm of Isometria, an isometric world brimming with awe-inspiring wonders. Immerse yourself in this procedurally generated universe, where every step unveils new biomes, unique creatures, and a treasure trove of craftable items.Prepare to face a myriad of formidable foes, includin...

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

[unreal river]

Well I don't really use arcade but it's designed for simpler interface

[unreal river]

o yeah, that's a great game, I didn't made it

[upper dove]

yea but how to make it?

or something similar

[unreal river]

It's up to you how you make it... how you want the gameplay to be, the theme, the difficulty, etc.

Basically gather ideas and put them in your game

[patent apex]

@upper dove if you look up the game on youtube he has devlogs those might help

[dawn quiver]

oh sorry i had to go to sleep so i typed this out in a rush yeah but thats what im trying to do

[limber veldt]

The issue here is the indentation, or at least one of the issues. The keypressed = assigment down to y+= 8 are outside of the while loop and will never run, meaning py.display.update() never gets called

[dawn quiver]

didn't work for me

[dawn quiver]

so should i put it aboue player inputs

[limber veldt]

Those lines should be indented one time

To be inside the while loop

Changing the final line to py.display.flip() from .update() made no difference, as they both refresh the display, but since that line never happens, it can't work

[dawn quiver]

ye

i hate working with tab

🥲

pain in my ass

anyway

thank you for troubleshooting for me

import pygame as py


py.init()

#_______________window-zone___________
py.display.set_caption("To Nowhere")
screen = py.display.set_mode((970,490))

pygame_ico= py.image.load("D:/code storage/py/images/medium_rocket.png")
py.display.set_icon(pygame_ico)
clock = py.time.Clock()


#___________player-zone__________

player_img = py.image.load(r"D:/code storage/py/images/small_rocket.png")


fps = 60
x = 100
y = 100


velocity = 12

py.display.flip()

runing = True

#__________while_loop__________
while runing:

    clock.tick(fps)
    screen.fill((0, 79, 169))
    screen.blit(player_img, (x, y))
    py.display.update()


#___________player_inputs__________
    key_pressed = py.key.get_pressed()

    if key_pressed[py.K_LEFT]:
        x -= 8
    if key_pressed[py.K_RIGHT]:
        x += 8
    if key_pressed[py.K_UP]: 
        y -= 8
    if key_pressed[py.K_DOWN]:
        y += 8
        


#__________genarator_output_______
    for event in py.event.get():

        if event.type == py.QUIT:
            runing = False
            py.quit()
            quit()
    
    ```

so what i did is put py py.diplay.update()
in the while loop

and fliped player_inputs and gen_ouput

[limber veldt]

Everything from while running: down is inside the while loop

As it shoudl be

[dawn quiver]

what

sorry bro im kind of new to py
ik what while loop is but i don't exactly know how use it

[limber veldt]

py.display.update() had the proper indentation before, but since the lines above it were not indented, that line was inside the last if key_pressed: condition

[limber veldt]

That's ok, keep trying and learning, we're all new to something

[dawn quiver]

you were saying smth else there

[dawn quiver]

is it also okay if keep debuging for hours?

thats normal right

[limber veldt]

I was going to post something else, but forget it

[dawn quiver]

nah com on

[limber veldt]

Yes, as you practice and get better, you won't need to do as much debugging

[dawn quiver]

did u not ctrl+x

[dawn quiver]

okay

@limber veldt well again thank you

super man saves the day lol

[limber veldt]

No problem, lol

[limber veldt]

What's a good way to store and load a python list? I know json, I could even use xml but no need for that kind of structure, it's just a 3d list, options?

[rancid stone]

pickle? some db?

[limber veldt]

I think pickle is a good choice

I haven't used it much, pickle that is, but I know how, already have some working methods for pickling

[proper peak]

why not json?

[proven frigate]

i was thinking the same thing?

[rancid stone]

isnt pickling faster than dumping and loading jsons?

[proven frigate]

JSON would be more secure, I'd think.

[proper peak]

Hmm, I haven't measured this before but it seems to be true for the builtin json, though a higher-performance json library fixes that. Mostly I don't want pickle because it's unsafe (loading untrusted pickle executes arbitary code), and can represent anything which is overkill if what you're representing is json-like objects (you can get weirdness with, e.g., the unpickled object being an instance of an old version of one of your classes, which is an unpleasant thing to debug).

(oh, and also json is human-readable)

[limber veldt]

No reason

json would be fine, too

[fallow finch]

there's no reason to say this

its about game levels

afaik the game uses its own levels so the json/pickle files arent intended to be user provided

json is also pretty limited when it comes to python objects while pickle isnt

ujson or bson are maybe faster than pickle but json isnt btw

but what i wanted to say is that most of you are just spamming "unsecure" when you hear pickle

while the things the people make don't need security (they're just code files anyway where's the security here)

[fallow finch]

marshal for simple python objects

you can also use a csv file

[limber veldt]

Pickle is limited for my use case

[fallow finch]

why

[limber veldt]

Since I'd have to work around the surface issue

[fallow finch]

you CAN serialize surfaces

use pg.image.tostring()

[limber veldt]

And that is the workaround

[fallow finch]

surfaces are wrappers around objects made in C code (SDL_Surface)

they're not python objects like lists or dicts

[limber veldt]

Of course not

[fallow finch]

but like i said

levels shouldnt include assets imo

its a good way to have duplicate assets are too big loading times

[limber veldt]

My actual levels don't have assets, they only use them

[fallow finch]

instead of including a surface you include "box" and your asset manager defines box as an image

[fallow finch]

so you don't have to pickle surfaces

[limber veldt]

For levels, no, for saving sprites, yes

[fallow finch]

why would you save sprites as serialized objects

just save an image

why are you saving sprites anyway

[limber veldt]

I don't really want to, but it'd make serializing them for save_game() a lot easier

[fallow finch]

there's no reason to save images in the save

images are assets from the game right

[limber veldt]

Dude, I don't even want to save the images, you're not getting it

[fallow finch]

yea i don't get it

there's no reason to save surfaces since they're the game assets
a game save should just be dicts and lists

thats what i know

[limber veldt]

Sprites have images, for me to pickle them, I would have to remove their images, the images that all sprites must have

[fallow finch]

oh by sprites you mean pygame.sprite objects

[limber veldt]

Yes

As in Sprite()

[fallow finch]

pygame.sprite is the limitating thing

pickle isnt

[limber veldt]

No it isn't

[fallow finch]

pygame.sprite is limited and that's a thing

btw why would you pickle the sprite objects anyway

the sprites are the same all the time in a game generaly

they don't have to be saved

[limber veldt]

So as is now, I'm back to square one with saving levels. I'll need to just write the methods for parsing all item positions and wires connected to them into a list or dict and saving that

[fallow finch]

yea

this is totally pickle-able

even json-able

[limber veldt]

And that's what I already have working, just not all objects and wires being parsed to it yet

Like I can save locations

But haven't yet done the code for building the list of wires and their connections to devices within the item list

So like build a list of all items, then parse the wires, saving the index of the item they're connected to within the list of all items, and which port of that item it is connected to

And an attribute or two, like the wire's .value and .flip

Both are just bools

So I made a class SavedLevel. It has attributes for storing .items, .wires, .pos all that stuff, with methods to parse them from the current level, and that is picklable, already tested and works

So I'm making progress on it

Pickle being insecure is not a big issue for saved games, as they are user-generated files, but for package files, that's a con

Ideally, I think, the objects, including wires, would have their own write_references() method. I could iterate the levels list, calling each item's write_ref() and send the list along with it, so they can all add themselves to it

Then, of course, the corresponding read_ref() for parsing it back into existence

I have most my objects now getting their images from an imported dict, which is quite nice actually

There are workarounds for pickling sprites, just considering as many options as I can discover

I really don't need to pickle them though

I just need their attributes

Also, I need to save each room in a level room array, that which defines where tiles are placed

They are all placed by the level's populate_room() method but some objects within the levels, locks and switches, add or removes blocks here and there

And I'd need to save those too

Or player would be able to get through an area, save and load game and be stuck

I suppose I just need to grind it out, the logic is there, the details aren't

Or make states for every level

[brisk yew]

no

pygame.sprite is very convenient and you can expand it as much as you need

[dawn quiver]

anyone wanna join a challange to see who can make the best game in pygame?

[limber veldt]

My skill , or lack thereof, is more a limiting factor than Sprite()

[marble jewel]

Pushed Isometria version 0.4.10 today on both Steam (https://store.steampowered.com/app/2596940/Isometria/) and Itch (https://bigwhoopgames.itch.io/isometria-demo). Here is the changelog:

V 0.4.10

    UI:
        Walls, Windows, Fences, Blocks, Tiles, and Posts can now be place in lines by dragging the mouse during placement
        Added Rx port input and verification to the add host screen

    Objects:
        Reduced the resource cost of walls
        Doubled non-ore block resource drop rate
        Ore blocks now have varied drop rates

    Networking:
        The local network server will not start until hosting a game
        Local Rx and Tx ports can now be set before hosting a game
        Network save settings now contain both the Rx and Tx port settings
        Fixed a bug where unresolvable hostnames would crash the game
        An "Unable To Connect" message will now appear if the initial network connection fails
        Using an invalid port combination in the settings file will now result in the default ports being used
        Default values will be used if the settings file is missing a setting

    Other:
        Upgraded to pygame-ce-2.4.0
        Fixed a bug where the framerate would dip if multiple tiles were placed at the same time

Steam

Isometria

Welcome to IsometriaEmbark on an epic journey into the boundless realm of Isometria, an isometric world brimming with awe-inspiring wonders. Immerse yourself in this procedurally generated universe, where every step unveils new biomes, unique creatures, and a treasure trove of craftable items.Prepare to face a myriad of formidable foes, includin...

Release Date

Coming soon

▶ Play video

[limber veldt]

The effects are fantastic

The whole thing is, but those effects, just awesome

[upper dove]

how to install arcade on visual studio code?

[upper dove]

you made isometria?

[marble jewel]

yes

[upper dove]

amazing!

[marble jewel]

thanks

[upper dove]

also, how to install arcade?

on visual studio code

[marble jewel]

pip install arcade ?

[upper dove]

also, how did you make the game? Entirely by python or you used another software with python?

[upper dove]

it doesn't work

gives me errors

[marble jewel]

python and pygame-ce

and the opensimplex module

thats it

[upper dove]

how to install pygame-ce?

[marble jewel]

pip install pygame-ce but you need to pip uninstall pygame first if you have it installed

remove pygame, install pygame-ce

[upper dove]

pygame-ce and pygame is same thing?

[upper dove]

how to unistall?

[marble jewel]

-ce is community edition

which is more features, faster, more devs

pip uninstall pygame
pip install pygame-ce

[upper dove]

why not have them both

which i have both rn

[marble jewel]

I think they will conflict with each other

really important that you dont have both install, will cause issues

[proper peak]

they share a package name so that just won't work I think, yeah

[limber veldt]

Considering updating to ce myself, I don't know why I haven't yet

I could make use of some of its features right away

Multiline texts

[limber veldt]

Done

[limber veldt]

And already implemented a multiline text

The code difference isn't much, but certainly handy

There we go

I like that line spacing

[limber veldt]

Now moving all the texts to dicts, and parsing it in the level instead of adding them one at a time

[pastel current]

Yay!

[limber veldt]

My dict so far, wish I'd thought of this before https://paste.pythondiscord.com/N7WA

Just gotta fill in the placeholders

A dict of lists of dicts

[limber veldt]

How this works is so cool. The editor spawns a ghost when hit by a crystal but also edits sensors to detect ghosts

All the rooms of one level in one file https://paste.pythondiscord.com/KXZA

A tutorial level

[cinder spire]

.get_pressed()

[dawn quiver]

is there a way to take a key input

and store it in a variable

then print it out

.

so like a way count how many time i pressed a key

[brisk yew]

right, that returns the current state of the keys, if they are held down, it'll return True
if you upgrade to pygame-ce (see #python-community)
you can use key.get_just_pressed() instead
but if the order of key presses is important you should actually use the event loop

[brisk yew]

what library are you using for that?

[dawn quiver]

im asking is that possible

and if it is how can i do it

[cinder spire]

thanks, I'll take a look

could I use pygame-ce and pygame together? some of the keys are held down

or does ce include .get_pressed()?

[brisk yew]

yes, possible, are you making a game or just want to register global keypresses? for the latter you can use keyboard or pynput module

[brisk yew]

no

[brisk yew]

ofc it does, it has a lot more features than pygame on top of what pygame has

[cinder spire]

great! thanks for the help

[dawn quiver]

i just wanna register global keypresses?

[dawn quiver]

i got pynut

but how do i get the keyboard module

[brisk yew]

do you need it if you got pynput already?

also you'll prob need to work with callbacks

[dawn quiver]

ye

it says theres noting called a "keyboard module"

import keyboard as key

while True:

    print(key.read_key())
    if key.read_key() == "a":
        break```

i mean if it would work

[brisk yew]

https://pynput.readthedocs.io/en/latest/keyboard.html#monitoring-the-keyboard

[dawn quiver]

i should show what key i perss

[dawn quiver]

okay but how do i count it in numbers

[brisk yew]

well, on press add to a global counter
that'd be the simplest anyway

could use SimpleNamespace ig or just a class

for storing the counter that is

[inland wedge]

@brisk yew I is it possible to automate online basketball game where you have to shoot from 6 different angles places and repeat the whole cycle until the time is up ?

[dawn quiver]

loops?

[dawn quiver]

whats that

[brisk yew]

probably

[brisk yew]

just like

counter = 0

[dawn quiver]

that's just a variable

sorry man im just a idiot i know noting \🥲

[inland wedge]

Thanks

[dawn quiver]

i still don't get it

[brisk yew]

just look at the example from the docs
add a counter = 0 to that and in the on_press function just add global counter and under a condition or whatever you need do a counter += 1

[limber veldt]

Level refactoring continues, this is much better than it was...can still do more https://paste.pythondiscord.com/NHDA But that's just one level, a bunch more to do

All those missing lines are still there, just in other file and outta the way

And still works fine

I added a hidden cam to every level, level 4 is the only one that's supposed to have one, but it makes it easy to check out all the rooms on keypresses

[limber veldt]

Arrows parsed too https://paste.pythondiscord.com/QIUA

[limber veldt]

This pygame._sdl module looks interesting, just looking at, and running some of the examples

[round obsidian]

@limber veldt

[limber veldt]

Did that game have a set number of levels or did it just go on to infinity at some max difficulty?

You're almost done

[round obsidian]

it had 40 distinct levels, and then after that it would repeat levels 20-40 indefinitely.

[limber veldt]

It pretty much looks and plays as Robotron should. I wonder if you're seeing any kind of performance increase over your previous version?

[round obsidian]

now that I know what I'm doing, yes :D

It isn't huge but I understand now how to do things like not busy-wait

[limber veldt]

Did you use the same engine on the this one, Pyglet?

I mean, on both

[round obsidian]

I did, but at the time I thought I could write a better event loop, haha

[limber veldt]

Looks like you know it well

I don't know any of them very well, pygame sprites and groups are easy for me though

[gritty gorge]

Can someone help me i need help with a pygame_gui function? I don't understand some of UiTextEntryBox paramaters.

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/ZQMA

[limber veldt]

Just ask edge or chatgpt, they know everything

[tacit lance]

so i am making a game simular to a game called "StellwerkSim" as a school project now the question is can i make a Train(Object) a class that has a predetermend shape so when i say B173 = Train it will right away get that shape and i just need to then put the starting cordinants?

[gritty gorge]

are you kidding me

[limber veldt]

Yeah, I was actually

[gritty gorge]

oh

[limber veldt]

I know nothing of pygame_gui though

[gritty gorge]

well i decided to make my own function

only problem is i forgot how to center font objects

gui.TextBox("New Project",screen,False,35,(0,0,0),(255,255,255),screen.get_width()/2,screen.get_height()/2)

import pygame

def TextBox(Text,surface,antialias,font_size,font_color,bg_color,x,y):
    font = pygame.font.Font("Engine/Fonts/Swansea-q3pd.ttf",font_size)
    font_rendered = font.render(Text,antialias,(font_color),(bg_color))
    surface.blit(font_rendered,(x,y)).fit(surface.get_rect())

[limber veldt]

Give them a rect, center the rect, blit them at the rect

Or put the rect anywhere, but blit at the rect

[gritty gorge]

how do i get the text to stay on the rect?

[limber veldt]

You still don't get it. We don't draw on rects, we draw at them. When you draw at the rect, there is no way it can not be at the rect

When we draw at the rect like screen.blit(my_surface, my_rect) no matter where we move my_rect, that's where my_surface will be drawn. Notice we don't move our surface, we move the rect when we want to draw the surface elsewhere

So we don't draw on the rect, we draw at it

Say we want my_surface to be drawn with its center right at 100x and 200y (100, 200), we say my_rect.center = (100, 200) and that's where my_surface will be centered

[round obsidian]

Last night I started experimenting with using Pyglet to create a turn-based RPG dungeon crawler:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/671888744877391872/1192897874019762186/Recording_2024-01-05_132840.mp4?ex=65aabfb8&is=65984ab8&hm=18a43e65f594952e856e982bf341cb3686f252df94e7960bde0f5bccdceaf62e&

I went for a deliberately retro look and feel

[limber veldt]

Gotta love the pixels

Blocky ones especially

The artwrok is awesome, yours?

[round obsidian]

It's from a free to use resource, one sec

https://github.com/davemoore22/sorcery

someone else was doing a recreation of the original Wizardry in C++ and the art is from their repo.

とり夫 - https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/5887541

[marble jewel]

Isometria Devlog 37 - Better Construction, Network Options, Pygame-CE 2.4.0, Artwork, and Wishlists! https://youtu.be/x8Vg-9ZJrrk

[void forge]

e

[gritty gorge]

wdym by draw at

[brisk yew]

draw at top left of the rect, that's the position used when you pass a rect as position

[limber veldt]

So here's a look at how I'm making all the wall sprites for a levels, this just a small level with only a few rooms, but it's the main level with a bunch of portals to other levels in it. I'm wondering if there's a better way? https://paste.pythondiscord.com/2LRA

And this is the level_data, all in one file now https://paste.pythondiscord.com/446Q

A dict of items might be my next challenge

That will start getting me closer to being able to save them

Because then I'll have the parser to populate items according to a dict

There's like a hundred or so unique items

From gates to keys to tokens to chips

My image dict is currently holding 56 image lists

So I'm thinking I should give the parent class of all items Item(), a set_postition() method that will take a position and I'll feed it from the parser

Scuse me while I think out loud

[frosty knot]

Hi

All

[limber veldt]

So I can iterate a list like this pretty easily, adding items anywhere

The reason I gave everything an .item_id attribute and global reference to a list of them

Yet to be refactored but that time has come

[forest canopy]

I want to beging coding a 2D game, does anyone reccomend a good editor that can also run visuals?

[limber veldt]

What do you mean by run visuals?

If you mean engine or game library for python, there are many. Just google python game engines

[forest canopy]

I mean like show a 2D image

i got pyagme, its working.

I was just wondering

pygame*

[limber veldt]

I love pygame, good choice

[round obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909823738239926343/1193323569925595266/image.png?ex=65ac4c2d&is=6599d72d&hm=8477265df59cdefcc8dda90e9bcb0bd32c4dc13c443dd53c095ad131ef307891&

[limber veldt]

There's a certain satisfaction in not having to send images to objects and just pulling them from a dict

I just pygame primitive drew this vent fan , six more images that I don't have to load anymore

[vivid citrus]

Looking for collaboration in a game mod
**Name: **Ibrahim K.
**Description: **A traffic simulation app in python for Live for speed game
This program will add a feature to the game without the game's source code idea is from Asseto Corsa's Shutoku Servers
**Technologies: **Python, pyautogui, sock, ...

**Revenue: **Players and servers owner's may pay for the software because its unique

Repo: Hidden
() Experience in Python
() Fun person to code with
() Test maker for small features

[proper peak]

this is triggering my "uh-oh, this should be a dataclass" reflex. every time I write code like this and think "3 fields is all I'll ever need, a tuple is fine", I end up adding an extra field and have to change my code in like 10 places to handle 4- rather than 3-element tuples.

[limber veldt]

Please explain dataclass?

[proper peak]

dataclasses.dataclass is a decorator for, pretty much, quickly defining simple classes (ones meant mostly for holding data). you just do

@dataclass
class Item:
    item: ItemIDs
    pos: tuple[int, int]
    room: int

and this defines a class with 3 instance variables, automatically generating an __init__, and some other methods like __repr__ and __str__.

[limber veldt]

Interesting, I'll check that out

[ruby crest]

It also implements eq.

Two items will be equal if all attributes match, not just if they are the same instance.

[limber veldt]

That's pretty cool, tested and working

So I'll need to import that little class into a few files, all those that define the level_datas

And redefine my ITEMS lists and slightly adjust the method that parses it

But I like that

I can see myself using this idea a lot

Thanks

I often do a side by side tests of these things, usually suffixing 2 to the name

It will need a differnt name though, Item conflicts with one of my base classes

[brisk yew]

probably should be item_id: ItemIDs
and then might as well do pos: tuple[float, float] too

[brisk yew]

right... lol, just noticed

[limber veldt]

Good point, especially with the tuple

[random oyster]

im completely confused about vector2 is there a tutorial(youtube video or something) or a quick explanation anyone can give?

[brisk yew]

what are you confused about exactly?

[random oyster]

the entire concept

as in im not sure how to use them and i dont know what to use them for

[brisk yew]

it's just like a 2d vector in math

most common uses would be position, velocity and acceleration

[brisk yew]

forgot Oxford comma, dang it

[old cove]

yo im a newbie in programming and would like to know waht programming software yall recommend for programming games in python

like pygames or smth?

[brisk yew]

pygame-ce is a pretty good library for making games in Python, best suited for 2d gamed

[old cove]

thanks : P

[woeful plume]

hey im making a video game and i need an opinion
im adding tooltips, should i make them follow the mousecursor, or make them static at the top of the screen?

[icy valve]

What kind of game? For what it's used the mouse cursor?

[woeful plume]

its already made

sorry

[limber veldt]

I would say static above the hovered item

[limber veldt]

Python and pygame are awesome in my opinion, but I haven't played much with other python game libs. I should try pyglet, Infinimata is having fine results with it

[vagrant saddle]

what/who is Infinimata ?

[limber veldt]

One of the members here who I didn't want to ping

[vagrant saddle]

ha ok

well i'm still searching for a pyglet use case for webgl since Arcade cannot use the port yet ( no geom shader on web )

you may want to try pygame-ce+ZenGL/Panda3D too

[fallow finch]

you should try panda3d

or some opengl implementation like pygame + moderngl

i prefer pygame + moderngl but its not the easiest thing for a beginner

[limber veldt]

Yeah, that looks great, moderngl especially!

[fallow finch]

wait are you trying to make an online game

[fallow finch]

this video is pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab8TOSFfNp4

its a voxel game using pygame, moderngl, glm, numpy and numba which are modules you'll most likely use to make a 3d game in pygame

[limber veldt]

Me? No interest in online

[fallow finch]

yea so check this tutorial

you can make games for desktop linux/windows/mac

with these

[limber veldt]

That's amazing

[leaden bane]

what do you guys think of this board

this is the original one

[limber veldt]

Still working on getting all my levels in compliance with my new parsers, so much work

[limber veldt]

Looks great

Every level will have a few things added manually...so far

[limber veldt]

Yesterday I had populate_room() and populate_items() methods in BaseLevel(), today, I put all those along with a few other things in one method, populate_level() which parses six lists/dicts and works with every level

Some of the levels are still sending empty lists/dicts to it, they're not done yet

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/GNSA It can now link the rooms to each other too

[limber veldt]

Also stopped adding the level and room text to each room and just blit the current level and room in the main draw() method

[quasi patrol]

I wish I was as good at art as you

[leaden bane]

:kek: https://cuddlyclover.itch.io/fantasy-hex-tiles

although im thinking on rewriting how the tiles get shown

[leaden bane]

finally I could generate terrain correctly

[queen remnant]

whats theme name

[vivid citrus]

GitHub I think

[queen remnant]

thanks

finally I see one give answer quick

[leaden bane]

that last if chains hurt my eyes

[vivid citrus]

Didn't get ir

It

[vivid citrus]

Not my fault the 4 yr old insim library was broken so I imported classes from it and just started if chain and there are a lot of packet types ALOT

Ngl it also bugs me the damn curve in my code is visible from miles away

[ebon marsh]

how to send

long amiutn of code

[pine plinth]

!paste

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[quasi patrol]

lol

[hollow flicker]

hello everyone,

can anyone pls tell how to debug this code

in pymunk.Segment ()

[leaden bane]

what's even pymunk.Segment?

[rocky blaze]

anyone know a bit of here and there on pygame?

class Ship():

  def __init__(self):
    self.shiprandom = [50,100]
    self.shipheight = self.shiprandom[random.randrange(0,2)]
    self.shipwidth = self.shiprandom[random.randrange(0,2)]
    if self.shipheight == 100:
      self.shipwidth = 50
    elif self.shipwidth == 100:
      self.shipheight = 50
    self.shiptop = [0,50,100,150,200,250]
    self.shipleft = [0,50,100,150,200,250]  
    self.shipleftrand = self.shipleft[random.randrange(0,5)]
    self.shiptoprand = self.shiptop[random.randrange(0,5)]
    rect1 = pygame.Rect(self.shipleftrand, self.shiptoprand, self.shipheight, self.shipwidth)
    pygame.draw.rect(DISPLAYSURF,(255, 255, 255),rect1, 1)
            



griddraw()
while True:
  for event in pygame.event.get():
    if event.type == QUIT:
      pygame.quit()
      sys.exit()
    if len(shiplist) < 3:
      shiplist.append(Ship())
    if event.type == pygame.MOUSEBUTTONUP:
      pos = pygame.mouse.get_pos()
      if Ship(rect1).collidepoint(event.pos):
        print("hit")```

how would i get the rect1 inside of the class to detect the hit?

I sorted the battleships into a battleship class, but now I don't know how to get their position in an if statement as they are no longer an actual pygame surface. Can how would you get their position if they are in a class?

[leaden bane]

!paste

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[leaden bane]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/AZZQ

there's no need to do
self.shiptop = [0,50,100,150,200,250]
self.shipleft = [0,50,100,150,200,250]

!d pygame.Rect

[frank field]

pygame.Rect

pygame.Rect```
 pygame object for storing rectangular coordinates Rect(left, top, width, height) -> Rect Rect((left, top), (width, height)) -> Rect Rect(object) -> Rect

[leaden bane]

just pass the rect

and get the points via rect attributes

and you also passed the rect1 parameter to Ship but did not define it in the init

and created it manually

[rocky blaze]

thats for my grid that i have made because its built in squares of 50 100 150 200 250 so the squares dont just go all over

[rocky blaze]

would you know how to go about this sorry im newer with classes and pygame

[leaden bane]

why dont you use math?

or a range

so you basically passed the rect1 to the Ship class

and did not use it

[rocky blaze]

so it can create multiple and it definetly does use it as its visible in the program it just isnt called as a surface i belive

[leaden bane]

it is not used

[rocky blaze]

heres the full code just incase

import random
import pygame, sys
from pygame.locals import QUIT


Window_Height = 300
Window_Width = 300
clock = pygame.time.Clock()
dt = 0
shiplist = []
pygame.init()
DISPLAYSURF = pygame.display.set_mode((Window_Width, Window_Height))
pygame.display.set_caption('Battleships simplified')

def griddraw():
  cubesize = 50
  for x in range(0, Window_Width, cubesize):
    for y in range(0, Window_Height, cubesize):
      rect = pygame.Rect(x, y,cubesize, cubesize)
      pygame.draw.rect(DISPLAYSURF, 100, rect, 1)

class Ship():

  def __init__(self):
    self.shiprandom = [50,100]
    self.shipheight = self.shiprandom[random.randrange(0,2)]
    self.shipwidth = self.shiprandom[random.randrange(0,2)]
    if self.shipheight == 100:
      self.shipwidth = 50
    elif self.shipwidth == 100:
      self.shipheight = 50
    self.shiptop = [0,50,100,150,200,250]
    self.shipleft = [0,50,100,150,200,250]  
    self.shipleftrand = self.shipleft[random.randrange(0,5)]
    self.shiptoprand = self.shiptop[random.randrange(0,5)]
    rect1 = pygame.Rect(self.shipleftrand, self.shiptoprand, self.shipheight, self.shipwidth)
    pygame.draw.rect(DISPLAYSURF,(255, 255, 255),rect1, 1)
            



griddraw()
while True:
  for event in pygame.event.get():
    if event.type == QUIT:
      pygame.quit()
      sys.exit()
    if len(shiplist) < 3:
      shiplist.append(Ship())
    if event.type == pygame.MOUSEBUTTONUP:
      pos = pygame.mouse.get_pos()
      if rect1.collidepoint(event.pos):
        print("hit")


  pygame.display.flip()
  pygame.display.update()
pygame.quit()

[leaden bane]

yeah you're not using it

class Ship():

  def __init__(self):
    self.shiprandom = [50,100]
    self.shipheight = self.shiprandom[random.randrange(0,2)]
    self.shipwidth = self.shiprandom[random.randrange(0,2)]
    if self.shipheight == 100:
      self.shipwidth = 50
    elif self.shipwidth == 100:
      self.shipheight = 50
    self.shiptop = [0,50,100,150,200,250]
    self.shipleft = [0,50,100,150,200,250]  
    self.shipleftrand = self.shipleft[random.randrange(0,5)]
    self.shiptoprand = self.shiptop[random.randrange(0,5)]
    rect1 = pygame.Rect(self.shipleftrand, self.shiptoprand, self.shipheight, self.shipwidth)
    pygame.draw.rect(DISPLAYSURF,(255, 255, 255),rect1, 1)```

the code is now different

[rocky blaze]

thats weird because on the display it does display the rects added it probably just doesnt use them as so because its in a class

[limber veldt]

I see this kinda shit often in coder chats. Why don't you do this or that? When someone doesn't know how or hasn't discovered something is always the reason, not because the person is trying to do things weird

[leaden bane]

isnt like I was going to explain a better way of doing it, instead of hardcoding all the positions

[limber veldt]

I know, but it's still rude

[leaden bane]

you think it's rude

this is the first time i've heard something like this

[limber veldt]

I love these smart sentries. They won't allow player to pass even if they're inside a robot, it's pins the robot. And the method is recursive so even if player is inside a robot inside another robot, no matter how far, it will know

So one must use robots to press those two buttons and can't go along for the ride

[peak briar]

can someone send me a simple coded game asap please

ill give nitro who ever does it first

[fierce turret]

missing **color='**darkslateblue' maybe?

[limber veldt]

So does pygame-ce's FRect mean that we no longer need to round a position vector's elements when assigning? Like my objects usually have a self.pos attribute that gets updated for movement then I round its elements and assign to the sprite.rect

[fallow finch]

why were you rounding them

using float values was possible in pygame functions before FRects

[limber veldt]

Because you can't use them for positions

[fallow finch]

Rects are storing integer values and FRects are storing float values thats the thing

[limber veldt]

But now I don't need to use .pos attribute, it can just use the rect

[fallow finch]

where was the .pos used

floating point values work in functions like blit

they were just not stored in Rects

[limber veldt]

What do you mean, it's a float, if you use a rect who only returns ints, you can't use the rect for positions

[fallow finch]

yes floats were just not possible in rects

and now they are

FRects allow storing float values for calculation and also sub-pixel movement when using opengl or gpu rendering (still wip in pygame)

[limber veldt]

So we really don't need to use self.pos for floats anymore

Can just use the rect

[brisk yew]

pretty much
although I personally not only use FRects, but also vectors because vector methods and stuff
still I feel like FRects come in handy with some collision detection and resolution and such which is why I use both approaches if you can call it that

yes, there's no need to separately store the position due to the truncation issue because it's non-existent, but it's still more convenient to use vector methods if you need them

[limber veldt]

Yeah, I use vectors for pretty much anything that moves in floats

Those methods are so good

[brisk yew]

yep

[limber veldt]

Sometimes even for things that move in ints, the .x and .y notation is nice

Some of my tiles, still a work in progress, but quite a collection https://paste.pythondiscord.com/HIKQ

I just wrote that TimerTile a few minutes ago

The rest of em https://paste.pythondiscord.com/DFAQ

[fallow finch]

rects have .x and .y too

[limber veldt]

Yep

And centerx and centery

[fallow finch]

the main advantage of vectors is adding/substracting and the methods like rotate in the first place

[limber veldt]

And topleft, bottomleft...and so on

[fallow finch]

they have all possible getters

[limber veldt]

And for movement, normalized vectors are always used for .direction attribute

Almost always, I should say

[lime venture]

can someone help me with that algorithim?

def negamax(self, player, board, depth, previousMoves, alpha, beta):
if self.enginePlayer == 1:
color = "w"
else:
color = "b"
if depth == 0:
self.nodes += 1
return LucanatorEvaluation.eval(board, previousMoves, color, self.enginePlayer)

    movelist = chessboard.possibleMoves(board, previousMoves, color)

    if len(movelist) == 0:
        self.nodes += 1
        return LucanatorEvaluation.eval(board, previousMoves, color, self.enginePlayer)

    for move in movelist:
        tmpboard = chessboard.TmpMakeMove(board, color, chessboard.moveHistory, move)
        previousMoves.append(move)
        score = self.negamax(player, tmpboard, depth - 1,previousMoves, -beta, -alpha)
        previousMoves.pop()
        if score >= beta:
            return beta

        if score > alpha:
            alpha = score
            self.savedMove = move

        return alpha

[neon horizon]

Can I ask why you care about previous moves?
There's a very large number of ways to reach a given boardstate, and all that matters is the legal moves from then on, unless that refers to previously checked moves since I assume this has alpha-beta pruning.
Although, something here feels wierd...

[sudden radish]

if someone is low on game ideas, I can help with that.

[brisk yew]

me too
make pong

[hollow flicker]

K 👍

[willow anvil]

guys i am a beginner

i would like to learn python language to develop games

[leaden bane]

you just want to develop games?

[limber veldt]

So, I have this switch class that needs a reference to another class, but that other class is in another file. I know of a couple of ways to get it, isinstance() if I import the other class, <str> in __class__.__name__ if I iterate the items in the switch. It has a .room attribute that has a reference to level() that has references to all objects. Or check the string is in type(item) with an iteration. Is there another way?

[brisk yew]

definitely don't check inside a string repr of a type
isinstance seems like the best approach to me

[limber veldt]

Ok, will use that

For this file, it's just one extra import

[limber veldt]

It was actually a few more than one, but still, not a problem https://paste.pythondiscord.com/3TIQ

All my switches

I thought about sending those objects to the switches but with the way my parsing is working, sometimes all items aren't added to their respective group(s) before instancing the switch

So I need to find the objects

Which is fine

[limber veldt]

In fact, for that call train button, I don't think I even need a reference from isinstance(), self.room.train already exists

Changed

I can always find something to do better than I did in the first or second run, still learning from all of this

A little renaming in that file too

I started the project before updating my python, so some objects are still using if/elifs while others are using match/case

[grand apex]

Hey, ive been coding games in pygame for a little while now and its getting a little stale, i want to move onto learning a new language but im not sure what to start with, i still want to code 2D (and maybe eventually 3D) games but i dont really know what language is best for this, what language would you suggest i try out?

[limber veldt]

I think compiled language for me next, if there is a next, maybe C++

[distant hollow]

anyone know why the image of the shadow walls wont upscale like the normal ones when displayed

[distant badge]

You should learn c# combined with maybe unity

there are lots of introductory courses in udemy or youtube to get you started

[full depot]

I need a lil more help, alr from the screen shot right, that's like "Battle" thing with the trainer and gym leader, but is there any possible way I could after a few seconds make the battle time text dissapear a pokemon from each side spawn in?

https://srcb.in/4UdFLVtlmm

This my code right here on sourceibn

If u can help tysm
Oh yeah don't read the description and title that wassomething I needed help wit before
this is like basic coding like pgzero
pygame

[astral fern]

@grand apex its so early to move from python to another language you need at least create full project alone and easily then you can move to javascript with three js... and then go to c#

[jagged wave]

in a game where it deals with 'environmental resources' where they can be picked up and stored,,

how do we keep track of these resources?

in the context of python, is it sane to store these 'World resources' in a list (probably will be a couple thousand items long) and just mutate each item's property through indexing

it's kinda sketchy

[limber veldt]

Good question, I'm currently using a file with a dict of image resources and importing the dict into any other files that need to read it, I know there has to be more (and probably better) ways though

But it kind of gives me a global dict of images that I can pull from anywhere I need

[jagged wave]

reading from a file doesn't sound too bad

[limber veldt]

My use is just creating a bunch of surfaces and pygame primitive drawing on them and adding them to a dict with a string key

But like I said, there has to be other ways

As far as mutating the items in a global list, at least in the way I'm doing my resources as just images, not a good idea. I have to get a copy() of the images lest I change the image of all instances using it

[brisk yew]

C or C++ with SDL is an option, pygame-ce uses it

[vital saddle]

I would say take it a step higher and try Go (aka Golang) and then jump to C++. Go would be the perfect just between C++ and python, as C++ is its own kind of hell.

[spare yew]

So how do you guys build Maps for Games? like e.g. Pygame how would you make a openworld map with it

[vagrant saddle]

most i've seen procedural noise map (eg perlin), or maps made with tiled

[spare yew]

oh okay thats nice to know thank you

[vagrant saddle]

btw https://www.spritefusion.com/ is promising

i hope they add tmx support

[grand apex]

Wdym too early to move on from python?

[grand apex]

Is Go an OOP language?

[vital saddle]

No, but it does have some OOP features

[uncut storm]

Can anyone help with a NEAT-python implementation in the snake game that i just cannot get to work?

[limber veldt]

I made a basic title

[limber veldt]

The Nothing yet room will eventually be portals to saved games

[vital saddle]

nice

[limber veldt]

I think it's cool how this room changing technique goes all the way back to Atari Adventure, linking rooms using four attributes

[limber veldt]

Thanks

[limber veldt]

Really?

Now with BaseLevel doing all of the populating, it needs access to everything

In the case of those tiles, maybe even others, I'm tempted to just * import them

[vital saddle]

I would recommend importing with a name, and not wildcard import

But its up to you

[astral fern]

@grand apex you have already made full python app or game ? gui menu, option menu, save menu, character class (platformer, top down, 3d (ursina), enemy class, custom map edit for yr game, math array, sql.................

[slow copper]

whatever you learn in python won't be applicable in most other programming languages

The only thing that is shared among all programming languages is your problem solving skills

[astral fern]

@slow copper whatever you learn in other programming languages won't be applicable in most other programming languages 😉

[slow copper]

Precisely my point

[astral fern]

and if you cant creat ful runing app with python it wil be the same for other language thers why i asked him if all ready dooing sothing with python

[slow copper]

There's no point in mastering python and then learning another language and never use python again

[slow copper]

It's different for every language, if he does manage to create a one in python there's no point to it, it's a completely different process in other language

[vagrant saddle]

they will

[vagrant saddle]

but learning a compiled complementary lang can be usefull, for eg porting some hot spots in a game to machine code

[astral fern]

na its the same if you have the basic human skil patience and persistance

[slow copper]

True

[vagrant saddle]

rust requires super-human patience not basic 😄

[astral fern]

yeh true 😉

just the name mean everything RUST XD

[vagrant saddle]

the lang where you start naked in the wild, ho no my bad that was the game 🤣

[astral fern]

the problem is that many people think they have mastered python just after creating a simple gui application or simple game

[vagrant saddle]

indeed, same for every lang

[slow copper]

Tbh I don't think so anyone can master a language

the more i learn the more I realize how vast the language is

[astral fern]

@slow copper true even after 20year of programing i stil asking help XD

[limber veldt]

I tend to agree, makes it easier for me to see what I have in the file, too

[vital saddle]

Well not only that, but its better for the interpreter itself as it doesnt need to go throught everything in the file and import it, rather it will search the thing you need when using it and it will import that

[limber veldt]

There's a python package to do just about anything. I love python but I gotta say, sometimes more speed would be nice

[vital saddle]

idk the specifics how the import work, but if im right, it should work like that

[vital saddle]

yeah i agree

you can practically do anything with python

and porting c extensions isnt too hard too which is nice

but some speed would be nice

[limber veldt]

I'm was looking into some of that in the pygame package, how it uses C packages

[vital saddle]

I think if python wouldn't have the GIL, it would improve the performance in game dev by a lot

[vital saddle]

yeah

[vagrant saddle]

no

but subinterpreters may help

[vital saddle]

Huh why, shouldn't multithreading help with calculations?

[limber veldt]

ModernGL exposes OpenGL to python, that may be a good speed solution too, shader

s

[vagrant saddle]

in a game you want multicore, not threads starving the poor core you are running on

multicore!=multithread

[vital saddle]

yeah i know

[vagrant saddle]

ZenGL does the same and runs on web too ( same author as moderngl )

[vital saddle]

but like i thought that the best situation would be if there are multiple threads running on multiple cores

[vagrant saddle]

1 interpreter thread per core == no gil => all problems solved

[limber veldt]

Interesting, one of these days, when I want to push 8 million boids or similar again, I'll have to dive into it

[vital saddle]

ohhh didnt know this

well thx

i learned something today 💀

[vagrant saddle]

https://github.com/ericsnowcurrently/multi-core-python/

[limber veldt]

It really starts with something simple as 'hello world' Once I write that in any language I've played with, I'm hooked

[tranquil girder]

Game logic is usually single threaded. If you consider the fact that a lot of game logic is doing short operations often, you wouldn't want to pay an extra cost for making a new thread, for example every frame. It mostly makes sense if you can have a whole separate system running on a different thread, or if it's IO related like loading assets and you don't want the game to freeze while doing that

[vital saddle]

Yes

[vital saddle]

Ohh like that. Well thanks for explaining it!

[limber veldt]

Over my hobby coder time, I've probably written 5 or 6 languages and hundreds or even thousands of games or small demos on the way to learning how to make a thing

[vital saddle]

Well i have tried over 15 languages, and for me, Python, Go and C++ are the best

[tranquil girder]

Best bet to make Python faster is in my option adding JIT or improving the workflow for compiling Python. Cython is pretty good for example, but there are pain points. JIT would be great, if it could make it as fast as JavaScript. Even if it's not ideal, it could solve most performance problems with loops

[astral fern]

@vital saddle👍

[limber veldt]

I still have fun figuring out neat little ideas. Just last night I did

[vagrant saddle]

hybrid solution would be great too, but tbh the runtime is getting very big

[astral fern]

the same Python, go, c#, javascript, lua

[vital saddle]

Yeah for loops are kinda a slow part of Python. But it would be nice to see JIT in Python

[vagrant saddle]

and jit is not very safe, or accepted on some platform ( for safety reason)

the one path you have never took before will crash at runtime

i'm for one strongly opposed to jit, except for dev cycle, but there's already pypy for that

[limber veldt]

That's was the primary reason my python boids were pretty slow, iterating them

Drawing them certainly wasn't heavy

Well, that and a bunch of .magnitude()/.length() calls

[vital saddle]

Btw small question: If the Rendering of a Game would have been implemented in Lua(which is faster from what i remember), would it optimise performance?

[vagrant saddle]

lua is not faster

lua-jit is ( see minetest threads about that they use both )

[limber veldt]

Faster than sdl?

[astral fern]

lua is flexible nit faster

[limber veldt]

My only exposure to lua is in my RC radio, it runs EdgeTX and lua scripts

But I've seen some say lua is used often in game scripts

[vagrant saddle]

indeed, the runtime is small and easy to embed. the sandboxing is also pretty neat

[astral fern]

you can use lua for gaming

[vital saddle]

Yeah sorry i ment luajit, but would it improve performance? (just curious)

[astral fern]

even for big project

[vagrant saddle]

embedding python for scripting is embedding a giant security hole 😄

[limber veldt]

Probably a good language to know

[vagrant saddle]

anyone can call libc at some point and do whatever

hopefully there are smaller python for scripting like pocketpy

[vital saddle]

Yeah C# and Lua is often used to script in Game Engines, as they are good choices because they are easy to implement

[vagrant saddle]

on x86_64 yes there's a real gain

[vital saddle]

Oooh nice

[astral fern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUuqBZwwkQw&t=1s&ab_channel=Fireship

[limber veldt]

Functional programming again?

[vagrant saddle]

want a lisp ? https://github.com/kanaka/mal/tree/master/impls

[grand apex]

I made a raycasting engine

[astral fern]

@grand apex don't waste your time looking for advice go practice directly and test every program language for 2 or 3 day and see by your self witch one is suit for you

[limber veldt]

Vending machine works

I had to test to make sure it didn't pull before the token was dropped

Gotta pay!

The game has 36 or so puzzles among 6 actual game levels, that's one of em

The room will eventually have player blockers in it so only robots can enter the vending machine area

I just got it working, easier to test without such restrictions but it worked without player going near it

So all good

Time to add the blockers

And fix up the placeholder coinslot tiles

[limber veldt]

And done , just a pic this time

It's puzzles like that that make being able to save game a must-have option, one could easily lose a robot there

[vital saddle]

Looks good to me!

Good job!

[marble jewel]

Isometria Devlog 38 - Friendly NPCs and The Guidestone! https://youtu.be/c_qbjyuguFc

[limber veldt]

As a workaround..I could put a panic button in areas like that, one that disables guards

But I don't want to

The panic buttons already exist in a couple of the tutorial levels, so adding them to others wouldn't be a problem

[knotty stag]

where should be a good place to start for using pygame?

[vagrant saddle]

depends on your python skill i guess

[knotty stag]

im new basically

i have some skills in an other engine tho

well

[vagrant saddle]

then start with pong tutorials

[knotty stag]

i mean not really even en engine but still

[vagrant saddle]

pygame's not an engine, it is more a library

you will have a lot to do that usually game engines editor do for you

but you'll get total freedom and customisation after a while

[knotty stag]

alr

i like the sound of that

is their any limitation to python thats makes it worse then another engine for 2d games

just wondering

since ill be doing alot of 2d stuff

[knotty stag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsa7NmNtWTo&list=PLjcN1EyupaQnB9-Ovkisq0Ss-1u0gOAv4&pp=iAQB
this one good?

cause ill probably start it in the morning

its 3 am and im tired lol

[limber veldt]

That's why I try a game engine here and there and always come back to pygame, I just love the hands on coding

Russ is good, Clear Code is also good, I see a few lately from Programming with Nick

Among others, I'm sure

[limber veldt]

My Tetris results from Programming with Nick, I added some things

This vid shows t-spinning

[vital saddle]

Looks nice!

[vital saddle]

I myself recommend Clear Code, but it's up to you

[limber veldt]

Yeah, he's really good

[limber veldt]

The particles may be a little overdone but it's ok

[vital saddle]

Nah it's good man

[limber veldt]

Fun little addition

[violet elk]

How can i like add a timer to like wait 10s to do something without using time.sleep

[limber veldt]

Depends on your project, but sometimes I call pygame.time.get_ticks() and add, in your case, 10000 to it and store it in a variable then keep calling pygame.time.get_ticks() and comparing it to the stored variable, if greater, 10 seconds has elapsed. But really depends on the use case, sometimes I use a custom Timer() class I wrote that can call a function or method when it's done

[violet elk]

oh I see, thanks

[limber veldt]

Just to very roughly show the idea, this isn't an actual implementation

[brisk yew]

in pygame there's pygame.time.set_timer

[limber veldt]

I like how this is recursive, it can find if player is in a robot no matter how deeply nested

So far it's working in all tests

[knotty stag]

I just followed his pong tutorial and have completed it

I love his tutorials

Their just good

[vital saddle]

Yeah me too

[knotty stag]

They dont rush through it

unlike every other person known to man that does tutorials

ima start his part 2

[violet elk]

ty ty

[arctic flicker]

anyway to code a 3D game fully with python?

[lost kindle]

Moderngl & PyGame

[arctic flicker]

pygame for 3d?

any tutorial on that?

[lost kindle]

Yes, you can use moderngl and pygame to make 3D game

Here's an example but i saw that moderngl uses GLSL or GSLS idk, https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DeJDIsFJN4OQ&ved=2ahUKEwiTwf3Wyd2DAxXnVKQEHSRLAtUQo7QBegQIDRAG&usg=AOvVaw3cas1CZO5m00eaqYKpWktn

I think you can use pyglet too

But you will need to use opengl

@arctic flicker I recommend to learn pygame with moderngl to make 3D games

[arctic flicker]

alr ty a lot

ik the basics of python and i wanna make a fun way to improve my knowledge in programming and python while also improving my 3d skills and finding fun in 3D again

[pine plinth]

this might end badly in case of "ownership" loops

[limber veldt]

How so?

Some minor progress on parsing wires. All the necessary information to recreate them is in the console

[limber veldt]

I'm still making some progress in getting all references to item.__class__.__name__ turned into isinstance() calls instead. Some issues remain in that some classes don't have access to classes in other files for isinstance()ing. So I'm working toward having everything in the appropriate files while avoiding cyclic imports

The item shown in the player_in_robot() method belongs to Player, which is in the items.py file and I import in robots.py from items.py. So with player in items, I can't import from robots

I'd need to move player to robots.py, which is ok

So it can have access to isinstance(item, Robot)

[pine plinth]

recursion error, if you dont handle it correctly

[tulip flint]

I am in the process of creating the classic snake game, and I am having an issue detecting collision of the head with the tail segments. I can send the relevant bits of code so someone can give their advice.

tail_x and tail_y are both arrays that store the last (however long the snake is) amount of x/y coordinates

For some reason, no matter how I set up the range for the array that it checks, i cannot get it to detect collision with any tail segment besides the last one.

[tulip flint]

nvm, i figured it out

[ebon marsh]

hello, I want to ventrue into making my first video game for fun, PONG!, hwoever I do not want to use sprites or classes, this is the template I modified and got:

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/I6JQ

And I also made a design doc so I know what am doing

I just want someone to mayb link me a tutorial of someone making pong without classes or sprites just simple stuff liek while loops. for loops and if statements

in a function ofc

or someone could help me by guiding me on how to build my game based on the deisgn doc I made :)))

[limber veldt]

Guys, I did it! I saved and loaded a single room with gates and wires in it!

[vital saddle]

I would recommend Ursina or Panda3D more tho, as moderngl is a lot harder than all of those.

[limber veldt]

Just using json, this is working great

And I already have methods for Open file dialog that returns the selected filename as a string

So I just need to reference this code from my file menu

Not from the K_v key

Of course, my if item_id == condition list will be much longer, only saving and loading two item_ids so far

[astral fern]

@arctic flicker try ursina 3d

[limber veldt]

Oh yeah, I will be somewhat handling it, or making the effort, by restricting the number of portal_items (that's rooms inside objects like robots and prototype chips) in the lab. In the game itself, there will only ever be maximum of 4 portal_items

And prototypes, nothing actually, can be teleported out of the lab

The lab is for making chips and the only way to get them is to save them in the lab then load them in the game

Load them into an empty chip, that is. The game will have a few empties scattered about just for this purpose, loading your own circuits into

The puzzles in the last level, level 6, are really difficult. Chances of losing robots there are high, saving game and lab to practice circuits are almost essential, especially saving game

I think it would be ok to give the player a toggle to enable mouse grabbing of some items but it would allow the cheating, so I really don't want it

Like one can go inside a robot, go to the periscope to see outside, grab the robot and drop it over a wall then exit the bot, wall defeated

Wouldn't be able to transfer grabbed items to other rooms though, as they must go through their set_room() method to be transferred between group(s) belonging to each room

I already have chip saving and loading working, did that a few months ago. It's much of the same kind of thing, iterate the wires and gates in a prototype, build and save a json

[limber veldt]

I redid my title. The gradient blend mode was set to replace on my first setup, setting it to normal preserves the aa

[limber veldt]

I can now save/load an entire level, astounded! Including the layout, the items, the wires, almost everything, robots need to be handled separately because their internal rooms are unique

[limber veldt]

And in the file menu

I wrote my own file menu and buttons for it, maybe I should go to tkinter menus, but I like mine

[vital saddle]

Nice

[limber veldt]

I hope yall don't mind my blabbering, I tend to share a lot with my projects, my successes, my failures, and I still get excited when something really difficult actually works

I started this project about a year ago, worked on it from time to time for a while then summer came and it got backburnered. But saving/loading game, or lack thereof, was always the goal, it's nice to make some progress on it

[round obsidian]

This is the place for it

[dawn quiver]

Hey, I want to make a text-based game.
The story should change depending on your choices.
My questions are:

1. How should I implement a saving feature?
2. Should I nest if else statements or no?

For example:

choice = """
You come across a wolf while wandering through the woods. What do you do?

1) Run.
2) Attack it.
3) Call for help.
"""

if choice == "1":
  print("You try to run but it's much faster than you")
elif choice == "2":
  # ...
# and so on```

What's the best approach to this?

[vagrant saddle]

probably use finite states machines, eg https://pypi.org/project/transitions/ . saving a game is saving the state ( use json not pickle )

[dawn quiver]

ty

[knotty stag]

gooberino

and the walk

[round obsidian]

@limber veldt Latest development

Average framerate: 3000 (meaning it generally uses only about 2-5% of a single core for each frame)

[limber veldt]

Looks great, nice effects

[round obsidian]

I plan to use this as my refutation for "python can't make good games" :D

[limber veldt]

No doubt here, python makes what the writer writes

To a massive degree, it's about the game more than the language

[round obsidian]

making good use of the tools you have

[copper bison]

would anyone be up for playing a game of mine? it's still buggy and not quite done but i'm really interested to see what anyone thinks

and there's nothing fancy so

[karmic spire]

i did old doom with a only script

[copper bison]

cool

[karmic spire]

but it kinda buggy

[copper bison]

can i play it?

[karmic spire]

it will stop if you play it

[copper bison]

ah

[karmic spire]

you need to install some pips

like as

[copper bison]

oh ok

[karmic spire]

keyboard

and windows-curses

or window-curses

maybe idk

i can allow to play it but i need to fix it

you can just see the enemies

[karmic spire]

i can try

[crimson narwhal]

i started developing an "adventure capitalist" clone to help learn python. I am still a little unsure about file structure for these types of projects. My main script is starting to amass classes with their methods and a bunch of functions. Im sure I should be keeping those in separate files, but where should I be defining class objects?

[karmic spire]

who wanna test my game

script only made

[vital saddle]

No I don't mind, more fun for me seeing your project grow

[limber veldt]

Some day, before long maybe, I'll be publishing it, getting there

[gritty gorge]

I need some help with this text box and i have no idea how to fix it. Text doesnt show at all. The box won't move from the top left of the screen and i set it's position to 400,400. Can anyone help with this issue?

import pygame

Text = ""
InputEnabled = True

class TextBox:
    global Text

    def __init__(self,surface,antialias,font_size,font_color,width,height,bg_color,x,y):
        self.surface = surface
        self.antialias = antialias
        self.font_size = font_size
        self.font_color = font_color
        self.width = width
        self.height = height
        self.bg_color = bg_color
        self.x = x
        self.y = y

        pygame.key.set_repeat(500,30)
        Text_Box = pygame.Rect(0,0,self.width,self.height)
        font = pygame.font.Font("Engine/Fonts/Swansea-q3pd.ttf",font_size)
        self.font_rendered = font.render(Text,self.antialias,(self.font_color),wraplength=Text_Box.width)
        pygame.draw.rect(self.surface,(self.bg_color),Text_Box)
        draw(self.surface,self.font_rendered,self.x,self.y)

    def EditText(event):
        if event.type == pygame.KEYDOWN and event.key == pygame.K_BACKSPACE:
            Text = Text[:-1]

        if event.type == pygame.TEXTINPUT:
            Text += event.text
            
        return Text

def draw(surface,obj,x,y):
    surface.blit(obj,(x,y))

[dawn quiver]

i have a question

[dawn quiver]

@vague gulch

[vague gulch]

If you have a question, just ask it here.

[dawn quiver]

alright

so i have a school project due today

i jsut need an app

that i can run my code on

i cant find any

[vague gulch]

you'll have to be more specific. what application are you talking about?

[dawn quiver]

any app

that can run

python

[raven kernel]

well thonny comes with its own python interpreter i believe - https://thonny.org/
but you could also just download python from here - https://www.python.org/downloads/
and get vscode - https://code.visualstudio.com/

@dawn quiver

[dawn quiver]

thank you

[limber veldt]

Still working on nailing down my saved game format and how to handle rooms inside objects, saving regular rooms is fine though

[limber veldt]

So I can now refactor all of my if <str> in object.__class__.__name__ into if object.item_id == IDs[<str>]

I made a dict that I can import anywhere I need to reference it

[nimble cloak]

I need to turn this:

Into something like this:

First time trying my hand in perlin stuff, most the stuff I find on youtube is for c++. But i want to use python to generate a noise map to then use in unreal and/or godot

[nimble cloak]

Nvm figured it out

[nimble cloak]

It loses some clarity and gets blurry when converting from a 2darray to an image with pillow compared to reading the 2d array and converting it to visible data with matplotlib.pyplot. any way I can maintain the same clarity matplotlib gives while still using pillow?

[brisk yew]

It shouldn't lose any data, it just looks blurry, dw about it

[astral fern]

@nimble cloak use P5 js it's more easy than python

[vagrant saddle]

https://github.com/p5py/p5

also js is easy but only when you know js

[astral fern]

P5 js is simplified js 100% more easy than python

with just 6line you have 3d webgel orbital control camera + 3d grid (function setup() {
createCanvas(400, 400,WEBGL);
debugMode();
}

function draw() {
background(220);
orbitControl();
})

[tranquil girder]

from ursina import *
app = Ursina()
EditorCamera()
cube = Entity(model='cube', color=color.blue)
app.run()

It's easier in python imo

[limber veldt]

All of my robots https://paste.pythondiscord.com/YYBQ and I could do them in Java too, but I'm not sure they'd be any different really

They're all essentially the same thing, just different image and decorations

I just did a pretty big refactor of the base robot. I was sending things to them that they could simply get from the room parameter being sent. No sense in passing level when room.level already has it, for insstance

Among other changes

I can see other changes too, bumper_offsets are no longer referenced, they're gone

[glossy crow]

Hello, i just started learning python, and i would like to start my journey in gamedev, especially android game but am rather as to where to begin, I installed python, pygame, and vscode but confused as to what to do atm, need some help XD anything will do.

[limber veldt]

First, I'd recommend looking at a couple of pygame tutorials to learn how to create and run (and keep running) a pygame display

Also think about file structure. VSCode likes to work with folders though single files can work there too. I give each of my projects, even if it's just one file, its own folder and open that folder in VSCode, not the file

[last ivy]

Is pygame the best module for game development to use or are there others that compete with it

[limber veldt]

Best is subjective, but it seems probably one of the most popular

[glossy crow]

Gonna do some pratices then, thanks dude, very appreciated

[limber veldt]

If I had my early tutorials to do over again, I'd go right to the hardest ones first, but that's just me. Learning about vectors and sprites, but I had some coding experience before

[glossy crow]

Definitely gonna try that later

[somber kayak]

how do i start learning pygame?

[vagrant saddle]

how is your python actually ?

[somber kayak]

im using replit because i have never used command promt and it looks complicated to do all that

[vagrant saddle]

you should try an ide with integrated command line ( repl ) replit is far from ideal with pygame

eric ide / pycharm / vscode / thonny etc ... there are plenty

[somber kayak]

what is the difference between them because some are free and some cost, like 99 euros?

[vagrant saddle]

they all have free versions

also eric and thonny are written themselve in python you can read their source to learn or adapt

[somber kayak]

oh ok

but what is the diffrence between the free option and the paid option like

[vagrant saddle]

no idea, i use only eric and a notepad like called "pluma"

Thonny is more beginner oriented

[somber kayak]

oh

but why dosent replit work like that is what we use in class

[vagrant saddle]

what do you mean ?

[somber kayak]

i just dont undertand why use some complicated apps when replit is so simple

[vagrant saddle]

replit is very complicated behind the scene

it is running your program somewhere on someone's else computer and bring back the output to you

hence not suitable for graphic intensive like pygame

[somber kayak]

oh now i understand

[vagrant saddle]

to run pygame in browser like replit you may want https://itch.io/c/2563651/pygame-wasm instead

this one will run fully in the browser, at max speed allowed

but imho make your game on desktop in a decent editor first

[somber kayak]

ok but are the graphics cpu or gpu foccused

[teal cedar]

Is there a way to make a minecraft client with just python

[proper peak]

in theory, sure. though, well, be prepared to read dozens of pages of info on minecraft's network protocols most of which you'd need to implement. and then all the game-related parts, of course.

[teal cedar]

tha was too hard

[somber kayak]

you can try to make chat gpt or another ai make it

[nimble cloak]

You are right

Thank you

[woven glacier]

I need some pygame help
I need to, depending on the amount of points, distribute them around the radius of a circle
but I'm bad at math so I need help

[limber veldt]

x = radius * math.sin(angle in radians) + centerx and y = radius * math.cos(angle in radians) + centery

Or just rotate a vector 360/points times

[woven glacier]

how do I get the radians?

[limber veldt]

Here's a quick make_points()

There's gotta be a hundred ways to do that, but there's one basic math way

This time with a vector

And a for loop

I like the polar coordinate way better

But like I said, there are many ways, maybe those examples can give you search terms anyway

And it's not something I need to do often, but I can work through it most times

[round obsidian]

@limber veldt

[limber veldt]

New spawn animation?

Or new enemy added?

[round obsidian]

The brain levels have that beamdown effect, so that's new

and the brain cruise missiles are also now in there

You know what's going to be surprisingly hard? The attract mode

I'm also taking the lessons learned from this and rolling them into a new version of a game I made before

[limber veldt]

Attract modes are difficult for me too

I had to basically script every single trigger to get a reliable attract mode in Galaga

[round obsidian]

I did some experiments with coroutines and yield that may make that job easier.

if they work out I'll share my findings, but I think I have an idea of how it can be done in a way that's relatively procedural.

yield and yield from make some really powerful stuff possible

[vital saddle]

Hey, I was curious: I saw on the internet blogs about that python could get a JIT. Is that true? And could it improve performance in game development in python?

[vagrant saddle]

can already test jit https://www.pypy.org/, for games prefer compiling with mypyc

[vital saddle]

Yeah i know about pypy, but i mean the main Python Interpreter, is it true that JIT is coming to that?

[mint tendon]

hello

:/

[vital saddle]

hi

[mint tendon]

[vital saddle]

lol

[mint tendon]

are you a python game devloper

developer*

[proper peak]

i don't think I heard anything about Python getting a JIT in the "generating machine code" sense. there's some optimizations in 3.11 and 3.12 of that kind, though - generating specialized bytecode at runtime: https://peps.python.org/pep-0659/

[vital saddle]

Ohhh well i found this
|https://tonybaloney.github.io/posts/python-gets-a-jit.html

and a few other posts

[vital saddle]

Well yeah why

[mint tendon]

uh just wondering

[limber veldt]

I'm a game hobbyist who develops games

[mint tendon]

😮

do you know lua?

[limber veldt]

I just made this elevator button so it waits for removal before opening the door

No, I don't know lua

[mint tendon]

Wanna help me make a game

[limber veldt]

No sorry

[mint tendon]

: /

[limber veldt]

Game making is hard enough for me let alone others

[mint tendon]

team work makes the dream work

[limber veldt]

lol

[mint tendon]

how long have you been working with python

[limber veldt]

More than 10 years

[mint tendon]

: o

[limber veldt]

You?

[mint tendon]

thats 71.429% of my age about 100+ hours maybe alot more

[limber veldt]

I summed all the lines and files in my current project earlier today....30,000+ lines in 52 files

By far my biggest project

[mint tendon]

for the game you just showed us

[limber veldt]

Yeah

[mint tendon]

and i solo this

have you ever dev on roblox?

[limber veldt]

No, but it looks fun

[mint tendon]

its the easiest way to make money

[limber veldt]

I don't want to make money

I have money, I write games for fun

[mint tendon]

spend 15 hours on a game you can make tons of the green stuff

: o

ima show you what i made gotta find the game rq tho

its downloading

[limber veldt]

11k of my lines are just data though, not really logic. My game has ~400 rooms each with its own 2d array of walls

[mint tendon]

how many lines u got

every heard of bladeball

https://images.app.goo.gl/hm1vfHwaD5owPCaeA

this game

[vital saddle]

yes

[round obsidian]

This has been partly replied to but I'll chip in:

It's going to depend entirely on what your code does. The JIT in question is more about figuring out how to get the runtime to do less work with each given instruction, which results in a net speedup. If you want your code to be fast NOW, profile it and find out what's actually slow, and concentrate ruthlessly on those few pieces of the program.

[vital saddle]

Ohhh thank you for the explanation

[round obsidian]

it's going to be a boon, no question about it. I don't think it's going to provide order-of-magnitude speedups, but it's a step towards unlocking many other kinds of optimizations

Performance improvements aren't something you can get with a magic wand, even in "fast" languages

[mint tendon]

I made a knock off blade as a quick cash grab looks the people that hire me took all my scripts and most of the data but this is what i have to show

: /

[vital saddle]

Yes

[vital saddle]

Yeah I understand

[woven glacier]

pygame question, my tick-rate/update-rate is speeding up when I launch my game, but only when the window is focused
why is this happening?

[vital saddle]

Could you provide an example of your code?

[woven glacier]

one sec

[vital saddle]

Okay

Isn't it because you add a number to the tick variable every time in the loop?

you increase it every time it loops

so it will increase the whole time

[woven glacier]

not the pygame tick variable, but my own variable to keep track of the ticks

[vital saddle]

yeah I'm talking about that

your doing this on the end of the loop

gameticks += 1

[woven glacier]

yeah

[vital saddle]

so every time it loops your adding 1 to it

so it increases

[woven glacier]

but nothing is linked to that variable

[vital saddle]

gameticks = 0

you initialise it at first