career-advice

[icy berry]

your milage might wary for startups

so then your more along the line of doing front-end stuff

[vapid jay]

Do you all think CCNA is worth it to get a job in networking?

[icy berry]

i think that 1 year of study will get you decently far and 2 years would for sure make you competent enough

[icy berry]

if the job your looking for uses cisco, then yes

[vapid jay]

I found one internship and require this

It even is written „nice to have”

Send it 😳

this is an internship in Poland

[gritty rivet]

If your goal is to break in to network engineering directly I would say that's still considered the standard starting point, yeah.

An alternative is the CompTIA Network+. It's vendor-neutral but a bit more basic. I have the CompTIA one but I'm not a network engineer. If you're starting from zero and want to just get an entry-level NOC job for experience, this is an easier route. If you're certain network engineering is what you want to do and you're ready to study harder for it, CCNA is a better choice.

[vapid jay]

How much is the CompTIA Network+?

[gritty rivet]

I went the cheap route, under $350 for the exam voucher only, and just self-studied, but you can pay more for a bundle if you want more support https://www.comptia.org/faq/network/how-much-does-the-comptia-network-certification-cost

[errant niche]

So, I'm learning Django for backend I just saw a course on the net it was an online one for basics of Network+, do u guys think should I enroll it or nah just put all my focus on django?

[frozen gate]

I think the cert is only if you want to break into network engineering

Azure and AWS are much more useful certs for a programmer

[errant niche]

thanks for your answer

not about the cert

I just wanted to know if the knowledge is usefull or not ?

I thought that if I am going to be a backend engineer then maybe I'll need the knowledge of network

[gritty rivet]

Have you seen https://roadmap.sh/backend ? I would say follow that and forget the Net+ cert if your goal is to be a backend developer

[amber lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH-70ljl6dM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU2-m4-OzDM&t=108s

[thorny mica]

Hey, I'm going job hunting soon, can anyone recommend someone who can help me to work on my LinkedIn/resume?

[true harness]

just send it and ask for feedback

[thorny mica]

I'm looking more for professional help, as I don't have much time to do it myself.

[vapid jay]

im a student and i want to make a professional github profile. And want to upload my project and make it public with source code

[near ocean]

I dont think there is such a thing as a "professional github profile"

Just tidy it up, change your username from childish or NSFW/cringe things and put your projects in it

[gritty rivet]

You can request a resume/LinkedIn rewrite via LinkedIn itself, they will match you up with a pro. It will cost you hundreds of $s but I know at least one person who says it was well worth it to him

[thorny mica]

Thank you, it didn't occur to me, I also probably can source it from upwork or something similar. Just need to find a good one, this where references are better 🙂

[errant niche]

Thanks!

[dense mesa]

No

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[dense mesa]

Not the rule for this 😅

[tender bobcat]

opps 😅

[vapid jay]

Hello

If anyone knows how to work with flowcharts DM me

I need to do something very simple, it’s just that I have no clue how to code, It should be a piece of cake for a programmer/developer.
DM for details

[elfin salmon]

Hello all, I am an accounting graduate that secured a job in a bank to do product controller, however I was thinking of pivoting my career more to data related side. What sort of courses should I take? I have basic python and SQL knowledge and many of the free udemy courses are like repeating the basics but yet I dont want too advanced courses (not yet as I am still quite new to coding). I think I am too late/ not enough talent to become a full data scientist but I am thinking of upgrading my coding skill to increase value in my accounting/finance side and pivot my career to something with more value/resilience

[fickle flax]

@vapid jay you can post it in availble help channel; but thisnt is to solve assignments for you but help you in direction

@elfin salmon oh so actually when it comes to coding anything can be learnedd just like any trade . Data science is same as learning accounting or woodwork etc takes time to invest just like any trade and more practice better you get. But for data science, generally in order to land a job like for machine learning related the roadmap varies but usually it involes basic to intermiddiate knowledge of linear algebra,statisic,calculus, python with numpy and pandas to work with dataframees and visualize data. Also how to apply feature selection,engineering and basic algorithms. It can take 3 months to do all of this with one project to show case work. On other hand if want to do like data anaylst which could lead to data science it just analysing data which you know and some tableua or other tech stacks roadmap varies but usually 3 months too (this is learning everyday for 3 months generally 1 hour theoyr and 1 hour practical))

i not sure what path you should take but was just commenting on really just for any position requires time to learn and can be learned

[elfin salmon]

hmm this 3 months thing what are some courses u recommend to do part time

[fickle flax]

Oh hmm i cant really say as im doing something fulltime so i taking longer but krish naik youtube channel has a road map guide he explains for data science or data anaylst

[unreal hearth]

If i'm not very good at math and want to focus more on web design and developent, would a CIS degree be a better choice rather than CS?

[frozen gate]

Hmm, as someone doing an IS degree, I’d say stick to CS if you can, IS is more business oriented at least in my school, but it also sounds like web dev is also a field that’s relatively easy to get jobs in as self taught

[agile dagger]

I'm trying to switch over to technical writing from a different career field. I have a strong academic background in history and philosophy, and do copywriting as part of my current job. Currently I am trying to learn python. What would be a good benchmark for me to confidently be able to put python on my resume for Technical Writing?

[smoky quest]

Probably something along the lines of explaining a complex topic in simpler terms.
The best technical writers I have worked with were able to do just that, taking the ramblings from engineers and putting order to them in such a way that our users could understand and be effective.

[smoky quest]

I would double down on the CS part.
The math look more scary than they actually are. Note also that college/university is a lot more focused on the degree, and as such the math are a lot more grounded and thus interesting

[ivory sluice]

@karmic valley hi, have you read our #rules ? we disallow recruiting and job postings and offering any kind of paid work

[tight kestrel]

what does being a software engineer entail i plan on going into the field and wanted to know a bit more about it

[smoky quest]

That's the type of question better answered by google.
I would be more than happy to answer more specific questions though

[tight kestrel]

i just wanted to know what basic skills i should know

[smoky quest]

https://roadmap.sh/ is a good start

But there are also communication and team work which are pretty important

[tight kestrel]

gotcha thank you

[ivory sluice]

@ruby ingothi, please see our #rules- we don't allow advertising nor self-promotion

[tepid rune]

Hello guys,I just want to ask about what the path I need to take for cyber security because I'm a beginner and just a skiddies so I kinda lost where I need to go😅

[echo token]

Can some one help me on this code
def power(num, x=1):
result = 1;
for i in range(x):
result = result * num
return result

[vast shoal]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[vast shoal]

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[serene hare]

Ok

[undone ledge]

I have a question. There so many libraries with python. What are employers looking for these days?

[echo token]

Hi eveyone

[ivory talon]

depends on which area you want to work on, but for many jobs it's more about the know-how and field specific knowledge than the actual tools you're going to be using

[pure pebble]

cool

[strong raft]

@fluid elm @wraith helm @pure pebble

[tepid rune]

Hey guys which you guys prefer to take ccna first and then ccnp or ccnp first and then ccna or just take ccna only or just take ccnp only?

Btw sorry for the confusing question

[gritty rivet]

You won't find a lot of network engineers around here, if you don't get an answer here I'd look for a different server.

I suspect the answer depends your knowledge, interest, goals, resources, etc. but I'm really not too familiar with those certs

[tepid rune]

Understood,thanks for responding :)

[native leaf]

does anyone use python(django) only for web-development?

[vital quail]

Hey guys i needed a little help with something

i'm looking to learn nodejs from the very scratch, what course can help me with this?

[fiery jetty]

can i apply to openAI from anywhere other than US? like do they support visa sponsorship?

[near ocean]

So I would guess yes

[fiery jetty]

thanks!

probably should get a good understanding about data science libraries tho, and a little more exp i think

[alpine spire]

Hey everyone! Anyone out there a geospatial developer?

[dusty anvil]

Hello,
Is there any decent way to change the Python version of an existing virtualenv without removing the virtualenv completely?

[patent grove]

does anyone know if publications help with getting interviews or jobs?

[steady hazel]

Need some help in practicing code review for interview. Any generic as well as pythonic resources are much appriciated

[patent grove]

leet code and cracking coding interview book?

[steady hazel]

Most of them has coding section but I don't see code review section

[gritty rivet]

If you have publications directly relevant to the job, sure, you definitely want to highlight that on your resume

[patent grove]

well its about software engineering, and i'm trying to get into that field

not sure how much it'll help me tho

[gritty rivet]

It would be more important if you're planning to get an advanced degree (assuming you're a BS student?) or go into research. But even if not it's something positive and unique to have on your resume.

[patent grove]

yeah im currently in a REU program(been about 6 months), and im looking to continue it for 1 year +. i might get a masters if i can't find a job right away

[gritty rivet]

Well you definitely want to publish then, so you can show that all that time spent focused on research was well spent.

[patent grove]

im wondering if the REU program would be good enough to catch an employers eye, or if i really need to get published to do that

[gritty rivet]

This seems like a question of opportunity cost... if you don't publish, what will you do instead?

[true harness]

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[blazing dew]

!pban 870509054659788931 Spam

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied purge ban to @steep prawn permanently.

[patent grove]

im currently working on implementations of different types of test suites -- so i'm acutally developing software and playing with code. Do you think mentioning this would increase my chances as an applicant?

[gritty rivet]

All else being equal having a peer-reviewed publication to talk about is more impressive than having research to talk about but no concrete results

[patent grove]

okay thats true, i'm in the midst of getting a publication, just have to work on the manuscript

[gritty rivet]

If you think you can build an impressive portfolio and have a better result that way and you're not really interested in research long-term, maybe you'd prefer to spend time on that... but the peer review process is slow so you can work on other things while you wait for that

[smoky quest]

fyi, short of your publication shaking an entire industry, it's more likely that they will be used as a support to demonstrate your expertise than someone contacting you because of it

[graceful mason]

https://google.github.io/eng-practices/review/reviewer/

There's also some practice questions here: https://web.mit.edu/6.005/www/fa15/classes/04-code-review/

[patent grove]

tbh i just saw software engineering in the lab's name, and i thought it would look good on my resume because thats the career i want to go into lol

i tried to get into a machine learning lab at my university, but got denied because i didnt take a particular upper div class yet lol

i guess it worked out because im getting my tuition + housing paid for with this research lab

[gritty rivet]

Understandable, but if you don't care about and aren't interested in the work you're doing, better to change direction ASAP then to keep going more than a year there

[patent grove]

yeah for sure. i'm definitely interested in it though, this was just my second option

honestly though, this turned out to be my first option mainly because of the pay that was included too lol

im double majoring actually, one of my majors is business economics. i was going to do accounting, but i felt that i was going to get bored of it like after 5 years so i just added CS lol

[gritty rivet]

Still almost two weeks to go. I got to meet the team via Zoom for "happy hour" though and they seem like great people.

[patent grove]

some schools have second bachelor programs too, have u tried looking into those?

idk tho, i feel like ill never get bored of coding theres so much shit to do

oh like out of the US?

i mean switching ur career is worth it tbh if ur young, u got like 30+ years of work ahead of u

[gritty rivet]

haha, they were very clear that this was optional, I didn't feel any pressure to join. I took this past week off from my current job or I would have skipped it

[junior ocean]

What do you call the act of taking total ownership of a project? I'm working on my resume and I need to add a verb that covers this.

[patent grove]

initiated?

yeah ^ u could just write what u implemented in the project or something

[gritty rivet]

Yeah, I don't think I'd be joining very regularly either. But when the whole team is 100% remote I guess I see why some people might want to join

[smoky quest]

like accountable?

[junior ocean]

@smoky quest I need something stronger. Shows that I'm a hands on leader.

[smoky quest]

you may get inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsibility_assignment_matrix

[native elbow]

Anyone in cybersec?

[thick lava]

Hi I know this is a long shot but if anyone works at Uber's security team and willing to talk, please lmk! I have a case study interview next week and would love to learn more about the team

[dense mesa]

Don't ask to ask, just ask :)

[native elbow]

Geez. Just wanted to see what areas people work in and if it’s a fulfilling field

[frozen gate]

I’m sure it’s worth it even if you’re like in your 40s or 50s, find something more satisfying to work in

[steady hazel]

Thanks

[brittle thorn]

Probably true unless you climb up the ladder you better move to another company...boredom is a good signal that your career isnt progressing or that you arent growing

[frozen gate]

I don’t know man, middle management sounds pointless to do as a job

[cobalt osprey]

Hello
Which program can bring parameters automatically when editing code?
For example, for the Discord library, how do I find its parameters?

[smoky quest]

not every company behaves like in office space. Although the ones which do are certainly pretty sad and boring

[smoky quest]

This channel is about #career-advice . You would have more chances in #❓｜how-to-get-help

[summer roost]

a good manager can have a lot more impact than a good programmer, honestly.

[smoky quest]

java would be used more in the inference side or data infrastructure (ex: spark)

But also, that has nothing to do with #career-advice . You should check #❓｜how-to-get-help

It's always good to know java for your career

That's a question for #❓｜how-to-get-help , not for #career-advice

[buoyant seal]

VScode does that, but the ability to show parameters depends on how the code of library was written

It works the best if parameters were specified directly, and they use type hinting

If they use too much *args and **kwargs, then nothing will be shown automatically.

U will have option only to dig into inspecting source code of library closer or reading documentation to API

[cobalt osprey]

I have pychram
pycharm or VScode?

[buoyant seal]

Pycharm should be able to do the same
I am not a user of pycharm, can't advice

[cobalt osprey]

OOoo thank you

[thin cipher]

i do not associate

[smoky quest]

Hi!
Is there a specific question?

[patent grove]

anyone know the best place to study for internship coding interviews?

[smoky quest]

leetcode

[patent grove]

yeah ig ill keep doing leetcode lol

[smoky quest]

that's still the answer to the question 😉

[smoky quest]

#❓｜how-to-get-help is a good start. #databases too

[buoyant seal]

https://sqlbolt.com/ and this is a good place too, to learn it in interactive way

[dim token]

dont ban pls

[smoky quest]

you are asking for it though.
FYI, your message got forwarded for moderation.

[vast shoal]

!ban 822105937698488410 Seems like you're only here to promote some kind of weird political agenda. Please take that elsewhere.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @dim token permanently.

[blissful hollow]

What should intern level dev focus more on? Project based learning or problem solving? I'm good at neither.

[smoky quest]

both?
You can also see some examples: https://dropbox.github.io/dbx-career-framework/ic1_software_engineer.html

[prisma pawn]

Is cisco helpful?

[broken sky]

Hey, I wanted to put some projects in my portfolio, but I have no ideas. Would you give me some?

[vital quail]

i think about jobs the same way as you

but what is troubling me right now is that im working on upskilling myself currently

and the task is seeming quite intimidating

[white cobalt]

hi i need help

[simple sage]

So I just got an email from a FB recruiter that "my extensive analytics experience" caught their eye and if I would like to "learn more" about the DS roles available in Product Analytics team. Never interviewed at FAANG before. Feels like I'm gonna screw up in the first round. Any suggestions how do I go about this? Appreciate the help in advance 😀

[deft star]

yooooo the python logo is so nice in pink!

[buoyant seal]

Quite cool film btw

[queen wolf]

bbc

[hollow cove]

as long as you have good team members, you won't be bored at your job.

it's not like you'd be talking to them all day long, but while you're working you can crack small jokes and stuff, and when you're free, you can have a chat with them and stuff.

[tranquil kraken]

👍

[light radish]

I had an interview for a python developer role almost 2 weeks ago. It was entry-mid level position of which I met all the requirements. The interview went really well in my opinion, I knew every single question they asked and they were happy with my responses.

This job is through a recruiting agency, the recruiter has not been very responsive at all. I should've heard something back by now, not sure what is going on. Is it appropriate if I directly email the hiring manager that was present during the interview? He seemed to be very pleased with my knowledge and projects. I can possibly find his direct company email address...

[buoyant seal]

sure. 2 weeks is enough time to send reminder
do it, it should have been done even a week ago preferably
2 weeks is still enough to be not late

[light radish]

Since this job was through a recruiting company I dont have the direct email of the hiring manager, he also does not have a linkedin

I am messaging people on linkedin who work at the same company to possibly send me his email

[buoyant seal]

if recruiter is not giving valid reponce, better to ask on your own directly if you are wishing that and nothing legally stopping you from that
But just mind that...
...it is quite common for companies to be not giving any feedback

Due to some bs of not being able to answer direct honest answers, in order to not harm anyone and e.t.c., so it could be the case too

[summer roost]

What do you mean?

[summer roost]

have you tried reaching back out to the recruiter? Are they not responding to your calls at all, or responding and not giving you useful information?

recruiting agencies do have a vested interest in getting you placed at a job; normally they are paid a commission of some percentage of your salary.

[light radish]

I sent 2 emails and 2 calls with no response. She finally picked up on the 3rd call and did not really give any useful info. She also seems a bit "slow"... She is new to her role. She said she didn't really get any updates from the company.

[summer roost]

well, she's probably not lying about that, the company probably hasn't reached back out to her yet. That could very well just mean that they're still interviewing other people for the role, and haven't decided who to extend an offer to. Or it could mean the hiring manager caught covid and has been out for 2 weeks, or something.

from the company's perspective, just because you were a good candidate doesn't mean you'll get the offer. If they decided your skills were good enough to offer you the job, they wouldn't do it immediately if there were other interviews already scheduled to fill the same position. They'd interview everyone else who had already been scheduled for an interview, but not schedule anyone else, and then they'd extend an offer to whoever was best after all the remaining interviews had wrapped up.

You can sometimes push them to go a little faster if you let them know that you have another offer on the table and that you'll need to walk away if they don't make an offer soon.

[light radish]

Makes sense, I was just told the day before the interview that they would make a decision same day or within the same week. I ended up finding the email, going to send up a follow up now

[summer roost]

ah, well the story could be different if they committed to a tight timeline like that up front.

[light radish]

I have a final round (Behavioral) next week for a company. Hopefully I get an offer from either of these. Current company I work for is getting into a huge mess, need to dip asap.

[forest nymph]

Im not sure what to make of this. Are there men only hiring events too?

[near ocean]

No

[frozen gate]

I’m sure it’s a thing to promote minorities in IT

[vapid jay]

I hope that i will get internship in front end software engineer, this is literally my dream now to develop myself

[dense mesa]

You got it, keep going and you can achieve anything you want

[vapid jay]

Thank you for your motivation 💕

[atomic frost]

Anyone have any experience with a company called Cydeo?

[unborn otter]

Any idears for a Job for a 13y/o?

[haughty crescent]

I wanna be a business man when I grow up

I wanna learn about progaming because it helps a lot to do things automatically

I don’t wanna be a doctor because I don’t like to see people that are sick 😷

I like the idea of investing

[dense mesa]

Nice man

[haughty crescent]

Im studying how to invest in cripto coins

I think that’s the future of our world

[dense mesa]

This is a careers discussion channel but I'm gonna mention it anyways: don't invest any real money until you have a solid understanding of the basics and what you're doing. Smarter Investing by Tim Hale is a good book to start with

[haughty crescent]

Thanks for the recomendation:)

[near ocean]

Can so recommend the intelligent investor by ben graham

[haughty crescent]

Thanks

I will read it

[short zealot]

Whats a good first step to finding a job with python? Im only 16 now but I want to know what more I should learn for the future since I only know the basics of python rn(my github name isfridays181(fight-flight shows most my current skills)) and want to know what I should focus my time on.

[summer roost]

If your goal is a career as a software developer, you should plan to attend a university and get a degree in Computer Science or Software Engineering. What kind of software are you interested in?

[short zealot]

Any really, ive learned tons of languages (not to a great level kinda mid in a lot) and I found that I have the most fun in python, I think I would really just enjoy doing anything in python since I love learning it and putting it in practice + the 100k average salary dosnt hurt

whats the most popular software dev in python?

[summer roost]

possibly data science, possibly machine learning, possibly backend services

there's a few major areas where Python is used heavily, though most real world software engineering jobs - at least, most of the ones where you'll be getting $100k - will require you to know several languages

[short zealot]

which type do you do out of the 3 you listed?

[summer roost]

none of those, actually - I'm a backend developer, but I don't work directly on services. Instead, I write infrastructure libraries that are used by other developers at a relatively large company.

[short zealot]

aahhh okay hows that been?

also what kinda schooling did you need to get to that postion*

[summer roost]

I enjoy it. Good pay, and I like the challenge. There's a lot of times when application developers can get away with writing crappy code since the scope of application code is inherently limited - a bad decision made in the design of an application only affects that one application, for the most part. When you're writing library code, a bad decision in the design affects every application that uses that library, so it forces you to spend a lot more up front time and effort to come up with solid designs that encourage the usage patterns you want, and make misuse hard

[short zealot]

sounds like a fun time, do you just do raw python to make the libraries?

[summer roost]

I took a 5 year undergraduate Computer Science degree, at a school that did 6 months of classes and 6 months of internships for the middle 3 of the 5 years - so at the point when I graduated, I'd had 1.5 years of internships.

[summer roost]

a mix of Python, Cython, and C++ actually.

[short zealot]

How were the internships? like what do you do as a programmer intern?

[summer roost]

a lot of pretty regular, grown up work, honestly. The assignments were things that more senior people had already scoped out and figured out how to build, but they were real things that the companies actually needed someone to build, and there was enough support to help me build those things. They really helped me figure out the types of work that I most enjoy (for instance, that I enjoy stuff on the backend way, way more than stuff on the frontend)

[short zealot]

sounds pretty nice, was it hard to find interships?

[summer roost]

not in my case. Because the school's program was focused around internships (or, technically, co-ops, but those are a type of internship), the school already had relationships with a ton of local businesses, and had plenty of resources in place to pair students up with jobs.

[short zealot]

sounds pretty good, if its not to intrusive can I ask were you went to schools since that sounds like something id be into cause i learn pretty well through hands on stuff

[summer roost]

I went to Drexel, though there are quite a few schools with co-op programs.

[short zealot]

alr well thanks for all the info its really been a big help:)

[summer roost]

glad to help 🙂

[simple sage]

bumping

[sharp briar]

Have any of you used SAP before? this job im applying for says experience is a bonus. wondering if its mindlessly easy

[frozen gate]

I have and while I don’t think I learned much in the class using it, I thought it was fairly easy but tedious

[native elbow]

Does anyone have experience interning in cybersec? I want to do this when i get deeper into my coursework

[midnight crag]

Would any women be interested in Harvard university conference? DM me if you are interested. Men are welcome too

[obtuse talon]

meanwhile me who is living in country which have banned cyrpto currency

[devout patio]

Hello guys! Im junior python dev. I ve found that only python is dumb, i decided also learn c ++. Do you know where such stack can be important

Or would you advice me to choose another lang

[smoky quest]

That's looking at it the wrong way.
Look at what services you want to provide and go backward from there.

C++ is mostly used in lower level or very portable systems

[devout patio]

Yes but im not convinced in that i want to manage os. For me more interesting F-S or GD

[smoky quest]

F-S? GD?

[devout patio]

Fullstack, Gamdec

Gamedev

[smoky quest]

for fullstack, it would be more something along the lines of JS/TS/Java/python

And for gamedev, it would be around unity/UE, so C# or C++

[devout patio]

Hmmm

What is better java or Python

[near ocean]

Better for what

[smoky quest]

it depends

[devout patio]

In general: for salaries, abilities, i just have never used java

Python and js i know

[smoky quest]

java would be paid a bit higher due to the context where it's used

(but again, lots of it depends around it)

[undone willow]

Is making a discord bot that plays music something that could look good for entry level programmers? Or is it considered too basic to be of real note?

I know how broad that question is but I want a new projects because my old one has lost its allure for me atm and I want to try something new.

[smoky quest]

maybe
Depends on how it relates to your target job. At least it's not a copy/paste random youtube tutorial

[graceful mason]

Very basic: Using discord.py and copying tutorials
More complex: Making a bot from scratch using new slash commands API
Very impressive: Making a bot from scratch using Gateways

Keep in mind that unless a project uses tech that is relevant to the job you're applying for, and you specifically mention it on your application or in an interview, people are unlikely to look at your code in depth. It does give a good example of how clean you write and organise your code though, so make sure anything public on your GitHub is up to a good standard with a detailed README.

[compact cedar]

Is there something that python can't do that R can? I am learning data science currently with python thinking of learning another language after this any recommendations?

[gritty rivet]

R is highly specialized for statistics. So if that's your focus, maybe useful. But I'm not aware of anything that's only possible in R, maybe certain libraries that haven't been ported to Python

[compact cedar]

Ohk thanks

[swift veldt]

Some very specific statistical tests don't have a dedicated implementation/library in Python contrary to R -- but it's something the devs of the Pinguin library are trying to remedy in part.

[tardy geyser]

Good morning from Brazil. 😄

Guys, simple question: What i need to know to be a "Full Stack Python Developer"?

I'm learning python(Of course), Django, bootstrap, HTML/CSS/Javascript.

And a little of SQL

[gritty rivet]

That's good, also look at this interms of what to know about Python specifically. The same site has Front End and Back End roadmaps too that you can look at. https://roadmap.sh/python

[tardy geyser]

Hey! Thanks man! Very much appreciated. ;D

[jolly lance]

Hi friends, curious if you all could give me a little input on the best way to find a developer for a startup. Ideally they start out freelance and move full time decently quickly.

My questions are:

1. Obviously how to find the best talent
2. What kind of things make you as a freelancer want to work for a company
3. How hard is it to find people with Python + other language (i.e. PHP or MySQL) experience? I imagine not too terrible but...

Thanks in advance. I can only code so fast at this point and the demand is outpacing my code output 🙂

Is there a good place to find what market rate is? Assuming a python + one other language developer domiciled in the US?

[bleak plaza]

can anyone say some carrer options for combining both python and robotics together

[vestal nebula]

Anyone wants to prepare for coding... I am a 2022 pass out... Fresher
Currently, I am in a service-based company and preparing for product based company
Message me...We will code together to get in good company🙂

[graceful mason]

Python isn't the go-to for robotics, so you'd probably be looking at some sort of machine learning

[dry sapphire]

levels.fyi

[orchid yoke]

is it possible to find a job in IT without having a higher education and not studying at a university?

[vapid jay]

Apprenticeship

[light radish]

So I have my final round interview for a job I really like tomorrow. I already had the technical(It was mostly about my resume, basic-intermediate python questions, technologies, etc).

I am told this interview will be more of a cultural/behavioral one but the recruiter is not 100% sure. There will be some developers on the call. Are there any resources I should study when it comes to developer behavioral interviews? Anything I should know to impress them? Like agile/scrum etc?

[gritty rivet]

Yes, possible. If you have any possible way to go to university though, you should

[gritty rivet]

Just don't be a dweeb and you'll probably be fine ;) You could prepare for all the generic "where do you see yourself in 5 years" BS but there's no way to predict how it will go unless you can find info from someone at that particular company

[light radish]

Yeah I have done quite a bit of behavioral interviews in my career as an Electrical Engineer and they have all went well. You just have to be good about making a BS story on the spot and prove your a good team player. Was just wondering if developer interviews are different since this is my first one.

[gritty rivet]

I haven't done so many myself but thus far I'd expect it will be like what you're familiar with. Good luck!!!

[weak pine]

can we hack with python?

[near ocean]

No (also being a criminal isnt a career)

[summer roost]

Security research and penetration testing are careers, though they generally require extremely deep knowledge.

[hushed kestrel]

import hack
import internet

assert hack(internet) == True

[near ocean]

If you want to get into pen testing then you could look at hackthebox or tryhackme but this isnt exactly python related

[marsh wind]

Agile or scrum aren't really about behavioral interviews imo. And, honestly if they hire a dev and not scrum master or someone like that I wouldn't expect them to require you to know much about agile besides basic idea

[vapid jay]

import hack
while True:
    hack.hack Sinthrill#6259

[hushed kestrel]

import Sinthrill
s = Sinthrill(#6259)
print(s.bank)
>>> 0.00 USD

[vapid jay]

from bank import balance, send
b = balance(‘Sinthrill#6259’)
if b == 0.00:
    print(‘lol broke’)
else:
    send(b, ‘eVCAN#4150’)

@hushed kestrel

[ivory sluice]

let's stick to the channel topic please

[somber remnant]

I’m currently pursuing CS with a concentration in Project Management— Specifically what does a project manager do in their daily routine of managing teams?
What I understand so far but have not applied:

• Agile, Scrum, Ethics, Mission, Vision, Goals and some other major general concepts regarding team management and organizational concepts

[summer roost]

project manager, or product manager?

either way, neither a project manager nor a product manager has a "daily routine of managing teams"...

I'd associate all of the items in your list of concepts more strongly with a product manager than a project manager, though. Product managers shape the direction of a product - they work with customers and stakeholders to learn what features are missing or what bugs are most painful, and then work with the development team to prioritize work to improve those areas. They manage the road map of a project, and decide which steps should be taken when, and help confirm that the things the developers are building are the things the business actually needs.

[somber remnant]

Interesting, definitely learned from this.
I did several research on my future career and nothing really tells me what a Project Manager does— What does managing a project actually mean and what should I focus on learning ?

My University does not do the best job of teaching the technically behind a Project Manager

[summer roost]

Only one of the companies I've worked at had a Project Manager role, and they seemed pointless. I'll let someone who has had a better experience answer that.

[ivory sluice]

recursive_error said this about project managers and it rang very true and made me laugh

Manager in the title doesn't mean they control things. The main problem with project managers is they control nothing and still try to herd a bunch of cats
And they get blamed on both sides. One because they annoy teams with tedious process and the other because they can't provide enough visibility

[low field]

Quick question.

So I'm working on a Pokedex for my portfolio.
I'm using https://pokeapi.co as the api.

It has almost all the information about each pokemon, but that's just it, almost.

For example, in my code I set it to pull all of the most recent moves posted for a pokemon. The issue is that not all of the moves for the pokemon are up to date. Some only go up to say Black and White 2 instead of the most recent Sword and Shield. While a few pokemon don't have any moves at all.

I've decided to just pull the latest moves anyway and put a disclaimer in my github that all the data may not be the most up to date as the api is still updating. And if there are no moves for a pokemon, it displays "The api has yet to add moves for this pokemon."

I'm wondering if this is an okay thing to do, or will be frowned upon by hiring managers using/looking over my app?

[summer roost]

Sounds fine to me - what else can you do about bad data? You could potentially also include a link to the site the data comes from, since presumably they accept submissions.

[low field]

Here's an example of a pokemon page: https://pokeapi.co/api/v2/pokemon/pikachu

And yeah anyone can contribute to the api: https://github.com/PokeAPI/pokeapi/

[smoky quest]

You provide visibility and ensure nothing falls through the cracks.
That means talking to multiple teams to surface their dependencies, what they need, what they to deliver and when they will deliver what and how. It also means trying to suggest teams (or their manager/director/vp/gm) processes to replace ad-hoc behaviors.
So lots of spreadsheet and meetings.
Some of the certs can be useful such as PMP, but am not a project manager nor an expert in it and there may be others.

From my experience, having a project manager means that either there are some serious dysfunctions in the org or that the project is large enough that you do need someone to keep it all together (ex: dealing across multiple vendors at the same time).
And yes, it can get quite dilbert-esque.

[brittle thorn]

Lol I had a similar experience in a previous employer and that PM didnt last very long.

[sonic grail]

Is c++ or python better at coding games?

[low field]

Not a developer, but I can say that there are a lot of big named games coded in c++. In contrast, hardly any games are written in python.

[sonic grail]

ty

[honest pivot]

C# is also used for games, with Unity I think.

[brittle thorn]

Yep

[vapid jay]

how do i start coding

sorry wrong channel

[gilded rune]

how do i begin to look for internships as a 14 year old?

[analog ember]

LOL

[analog ember]

import Sinthrills_mum
m = Sinthrills_mum(#6259)
print(m.bank)
>>> 1000,000,000.00 USD

[hasty abyss]

Hello

this is a great resource!

i have been looking into a career change and have attempted but gave up in the past and want to seriously give it time and dedication to learn. im sure you get this alot. but could you please direct me to the best resource for a begginer/noob to start learning python.

[marsh wind]

@smoky quest some companies just mislabel people too... i.e. our just call everyone who does the job of product manager/owner "chefes de projet" which loosely translates to project manager...

[twilit haven]

Hello everyone I am a beginner and I have recently started machine learning with python. I want to build a project but the only skills I know are python and some ML . I wanted to know do i need to learn more tech such as web dev or android dev etc to build my ml applications or python is enough to deploy ?
Also is this ml python project will be enough for resume for good companies ? i have my placements from june maybe thats why I need a good ml based project for resume. Please someone help
Thankyou

[graceful mason]

Other than knowing how to create, train, and evaluate models for machine learning you need to know about:

• Data gathering
• Data pre-processing
• Model deployment

Some things that you'll want to learn could include:

• APIs (both for gathering data https://developer.twitter.com/en/use-cases/do-research/academic-research/resources and deploying models https://towardsdatascience.com/how-to-build-a-machine-learning-api-using-flask-2fb345518801)
• SQL
• How to use common big data platforms such as GCS and AWS

[twilit haven]

okhh thanku so much

[vapid jay]

I've completed the basic python knowledge and want to learn data analysis, can anyone suggest me some useful courses or resources?

[fickle flax]

Can try searching : Krish naik data anaylst roadmap

[hazy wind]

hi i want to be game developer

[light radish]

What are some common general technical software engineer/python developer questions? Non-leetcode.

[gritty rivet]

There are loads of lists like this you can review: https://www.edureka.co/blog/interview-questions/python-interview-questions/

[woven summit]

I have a team member who is more senior than I am. And we're constantly in conflict with the way we structure our code.
Her code tends to not break in production, but it's difficult to debug because the functions have a lot of coupling. I'm a newbie engineer so my code tends to break a lot, but my functions are decoupled and its easier to change and fix when things happen.
I own the project so the code she's making is something I'm going to have to deal with eventually.
How might I persuade her to consider making her code more atomic over time?

[honest pivot]

Frame the conversation around your desire to learn from her and understand why she writes things the way that she does. Maybe there is something she knows that you don't (especially if her code is working while yours isn't!). But often a simple conversation to help explain why something is how it is will reveal that maybe it didn't have a good reason and is actually not a good way to do things.

However, if someone is more senior than you and doesn't actually care about doing things that make sense, then you will not be able to persuade them, and should not put your energy into that.

[dense mesa]

@woven summit you could ask on the workplace stackexchange forum as well, I would recommend what @honest pivot said too.

[smoky quest]

Definitely!
And that may change as well if you go into contractor.

[red seal]

Hi guys , I am a first year software engineering student who studies in a low level college in Turkey. I really like to ask you what should I do to improve myself. I am currently having some online courses but I feel like it is not enough all the time and this feeling freaks me out. What do you suggest me ? (Sorry for gramer mistakes)

[smoky quest]

• Go deeper in the subjects
• Have your own projects to practice on these subjects. But any practice is good

[smoky quest]

In addition to what was said:

• When just pointing at a problem may not work, it may be helpful to rephrase in terms of a question. For instance asking about how the code would deal if we had to do X change? The answer should either make them see some of the downsides, or maybe they have fought further
• Does the code include tests? Tests will typically force you to code with less coupling as to make it more testable

[red seal]

Thanks for feedback

[light radish]

My final round is in 2 hours, was told it would be a cultural type interview, anything I should study last minute?

[red seal]

I hope so

[azure lake]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but is there a good way to ask my new startup company if there is a referral bonus?

[gritty rivet]

Just ask. And if there's not but you think there should be, make your case

[azure lake]

Don’t want them to think I am being cheeky that is my only worry

[near ocean]

I dont think you lose anything by asking
I would first ask what positions theyre looking to fill however

[summer roost]

As in, would you get a bonus if you suggested someone else and they got hired?

[azure lake]

Yes

[azure lake]

Fair. My boss asked me to look out for engineeres and then came to me with a name of a guy I went to uni with

[summer roost]

I don't think it would be cheeky to ask that. "I know a lot of companies offer referral bonuses when an employee suggests a candidate who gets hired, do we?" is a totally reasonable question to ask.

[azure lake]

Yeah but it’s more they came to me for help

[near ocean]

If you suggest someone and they get hired, thats already a bonus for you anyway

[azure lake]

So a bit harder to sneak in now

[summer roost]

I doubt you'll get the bonus for someone whose name was originally brought up by your boss, but it wouldn't hurt to try, since you might be able to talk them into joining.

Regardless, you should ask either way so you know for next time

[azure lake]

Yeah fair I think for this guy I just leave it. Maybe they give me a bonus

Will ask separately for future

I am also still in probation…

[summer roost]

Lots of companies offer referral bonuses, so asking if your company does won't look greedy

Trying to get a referral bonus for someone that wasn't originally brought up by you might look greedy, though.

[dense mesa]

How'd it go?

[light radish]

Got the offer Alhamdulillah, 🙂 just waiting for it to be approved by their senior manager and i'll be starting in some weeks!

[marsh wind]

Nice! Grats

[dense mesa]

Great news 😁

[gritty rivet]

Congratulations Shah 🎉👏

[rich oriole]

hello, help please

I would like to know how do I generate pix code in python

[light radish]

Thanks guys, will stick around here for sure helping others with their career

[summer roost]

You're sure it was a hiring manager and not an internal recruiter?

[regal falcon]

why does the US military make its IT personnel go through military training?

[summer roost]

well, that sounds like a bit of a weird thing for a hiring manager to do, but it would be totally normal for an internal recruiter, so - 🤷 - I don't know enough about Amazon's org structure to know if that's weird or not.

[regal falcon]

conflict area? im confused why does that have to be in person at the conflicted area, cant they jsut put you at some military base in the states?

[summer roost]

do you think the US military doesn't need IT in Syria?

[regal falcon]

are they dealing with physical servers?

[nocturne sentinel]

If someone makes a good portfolio and can ace the interview are they still more likely to hire a degree holder?

[plush ice]

Are they decreasing RSUs or changing vesting schedule alongside this?

[plush ice]

Yea, if you preform better in the interview than the degree holder, you’ll get hired

[summer roost]

someone with a good portfolio but no degree or previous professional experience is less likely to get offered an interview than someone with a degree but no portfolio or previous professional experience.

[plush ice]

^ Yes that’s true as well, but if you can really perform in the interview, it’s everything

it is going to be much harder to get that interview in the first place though

[nocturne sentinel]

Ah, cool I see

There is a shortage of python coders where I live so if I can get on it whilst its like that I might be ok

[summer roost]

if you have the option to get a degree, it would be a much better choice to get the degree.

it's not irrelevant, it's answering a slightly different question than was asked.

[nocturne sentinel]

A degree takes 3 years though. And learning what you actually need to learn to be emplyed is less. But I see what you mean.

In my local area they are paying for nationals to learn it but im foreign

OK I will consider doing a degree after I have finished this course

Is it true that you can get a job part-time whilst studying easily

[summer roost]

college students generally have pretty easy access to paid internships

[plush ice]

The depth and breath of knowledge in a degree is MUCH higher than anything else you can do by yourself (unless you're extremally dedicated), but it is very true you will not use most of the things you learned during your degree

^ that also depends on the University and if you're doing an online degree or not

[nocturne sentinel]

I work 60 hours a week as is

well between 54 and 60

[plush ice]

I know a couple people working full time and taking classes at my University, they usually have set times on specific days to do school work e.g. M/W/F from 8pm-11pm

It's very possible but you might have to decrease your school workload or graduate later if things get hard

[nocturne sentinel]

Yeah, true. I studied a degree in Politics already, though. I worked between 12 and 30 hours. So, I will give consideration to this route that you are suggesting.

[plush ice]

I think you could do an online degree or at least an associates, but don't jump into it unless you know you can/will work on it by yourself without a teacher helping you, or having to go to class

[nocturne sentinel]

Thank you all for the info you are very helpful folk.

[summer roost]

which is one big advantage to internships.

[nocturne sentinel]

I have one more question, how do I gauge how fast I am gaining the skills I need for the end goal of a job?

[summer roost]

have you seen https://roadmap.sh/ ?

[nocturne sentinel]

At the moment I feel like I am learning a lot. Like I have made a couple of arcade games and made a starsign checker and stuff

[dim granite]

are there non-CS functional software engineering / programming MS degrees outside of UPenn MCIT?

[nocturne sentinel]

oh thanks that looks great I will bookmark that page. It is exactly what I was looking for

[summer roost]

I went to a school with a co-op program. Over the course of a 5 year program, I had three six-month full time internships, and all 3 of those kept me on part time during classes.

point being, university can be extremely valuable if you let it, and it definitely is possible to make decent money while in school

yeah, schools with co-op programs are pretty great. Highly recommend.

[dusk cargo]

would you guys mind sharing your own experience with regards to coding job interviews

[brittle thorn]

Lol I did work as a lab assistant while at uni while having an allowance from my parents too....stay in school

[light radish]

I turned down all leetcode style interviews. Most interviews I had (around 70%) were about my skills/experience/projects and basic-intermediate python questions like generators, threading, python libraries.

This is just me though I hate leetcode, I’d rather spend my time learning new technologies and building projects for my portfolio

[dusk cargo]

Im graduating with a degree in physics i started python 3 months ago, i would say my overall problem solving/coding structure is extremely high level but i seem to be lacking some basic knowledge/experience

Any advice for someone with no experience?

[light radish]

Have you attempt any leetcode problems? If you don’t have much experience then you may have to go the leetcode route. I would say find 3 projects to do and add them your project. 1) build a portfolio website using Django 2) build a webscraper for something interesting, maybe for properties for sale. Then deploy this to your website. 3) machine learning/data analysis project, also maybe deploy to your website

[plush ice]

Uhh NEVER pay for a masters, always work for a company that will pay for it

most do if you're based in the US

[smoky quest]

They could have a hard time finding someone for that position. So the hiring manager is doing their own search as well and reusing some blurb.
But no idea how common it is for them.

[brittle thorn]

Do projects even if a hobby project....I have one Physics related python project that got published in a local Physics journal...ask around look for collaborations

[fallow flare]

How can i dislay something, i just created a calculator but only in terminal to respond, how can i convert it to real one(ui) ? Thanks!

[smoky quest]

Hi! this channel is #career-advice. You would be better served by looking at #❓｜how-to-get-help

[dense mesa]

Good advice if you're in the US but it's a lot harder elsewhere

[near ocean]

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[elfin abyss]

@vapid jay FiveTap, if you're not here to participate in the community in a meaningful way, feel free to leave

[vapid jay]

I'm literally here to takj about my career

[sterile vault]

Getting an MS AND doing interships (even if paid) is leaving you on a very tight schedule. Usually it's about 20hrs/week + any at-home assigments (workload varies depending on the teacher) + course project (again, timing varies, but ~10hrs a week is a good estimate). Luckily, COVID allows to avoid commute and WFH/study online most of the time. In total, it's roughly equivalent to full-time job with a bit of overtime, and plenty of people manage it. But the context switches are no fun (one hour you're trying to untangle some code, and next time you're trying to remember statistical testing).
I'm not sure it's an appropriate channel for that - but how do you avoid burnout?

[brittle thorn]

Probably depends from person to person ... some enjoy and thrive on the busyness... I did for a while with a full time job and two or three side gigs...eventually my body broke lol and I learned my limits...It is about knowing yourself and learning to manage time and the expectations of others. You cannot be 100% on all the time...even a machine needs occasional repair and maintenance.

Either you make time for you to recover or your body and mind will force the issue

[viral mulch]

Hi i have interview tests , python c++ and embedded C

what i the best way to prepare for them , i already have studied them , i just need to redo algorithmes and revisions

[stuck rose]

hi everyone

[light radish]

Tkinter or Kivy. Tkinter's UI is old school though, you can make nicer looking apps with Kivy

[vapid jay]

!voiceverify

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[smoky quest]

leetcode is the standard way

[eager marlin]

can i get a software engineer job in a company (google,microsoft etc) just by knowing python?

as software engineer what kind of languages do you need to learn to be able to join these companies i mentioned?

[worldly fern]

anyone decent with ashby method in here

[jade ocean]

which best is best for coding

[smoky quest]

software engineering is a lot more than python. So not that likely for the typical job when people think of software engineer at a faang
That said these companies are pretty big and can hire a lot of different profiles

[smoky quest]

If you look at some of the roles like frontend/backend/etc on https://roadmap.sh/, you will see it's not just a language
So continue studying, get a degree in CS and that will dramatically increase your chances

[vital skiff]

https://roadmap.sh/python bookmarked, thank you 🙂

i would love to start doing some real world python programming alongside/communication/watching more experienced programmers, do you know of anything like that? either slack or trello or something?

[smoky quest]

There was a dev category added to twitch not too long ago. But haven't really watched it, so can't comment on it

[vital skiff]

i am a noob with twitch and discord but am feeling my way round! i will search for it. cheers for reply

[eager marlin]

thx

[smoky quest]

yep, that's a risk.
So most likely some open source stuff on their own time and equipment

[brittle thorn]

Lol blur stuff... hard to do in a live stream

[brittle thorn]

Maybe some projects like game dev or small app dev that dont deal with sensitive information can be streamed safely... not sure thou who watches such I dont too . Maybe competitive programming could be streamed like esports lol

[smoky quest]

True. You all got me curious and wanting to go check

[brittle thorn]

Lol i might check later too

Some game streamers on twitch also stream on Youtube so some streaming devs probably are in both platforms

[gritty rivet]

Watching is OK but doing is better. Just dive in and build stuff. If you get stuck on something it can help to can watch tutorials but the important part is to just keep coding and learning from practice

[vital skiff]

I've been doing lots of YT tutorial, Udemy, code wars, read books etc, done lots of code myself , and have lots of .py in the cloud ☁️☁️ 😄 just want to now start interacting with like minded people, hence joined discord!! Would love to collaborate and learn from others on a real project, I also hope to join a pygame team

Also like the social side, not just alone with my own thoughts ha ha

[brittle thorn]

Lol please interact with us not too famous shy devs

[green citrus]

hey guys how can i sent file to this channel?

[brittle thorn]

I heard that youtuber is one of the most desired jobs among the youth ...some seem to combine programming and Youtube...at least that is more productive unlike some other content educationally

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tubefilter.com/2017/05/24/most-desired-career-young-people-youtube/amp/

Yeah all they see is the finished product

And if any youtubers are here lol feel free to comment

Or maybe even link to a Youtube video of the work that goes into making one

[vital skiff]

I'm. Very happy with replies on here and also stack overflow users to me were kind! Makes a difference to people going out their comfort zone, but yes over the years i have heard that devs are more introvert (I think that's correct)

[brittle thorn]

Lol i am an introvert and think likewise

[vital skiff]

👍💪

[pure raft]

Been 2 hours studying every day learning the basics, I’m not far along but I’m dead set determined that I am going to do this and get a job. At what point do you think I should focus on building things alongside studying? (I’m just touching on for and while loops) My approach would be to learn the super basic building blocks of the language so I could understand when I should try to learn things from the building things side, but I have no background in this so a lot of things sometimes look out of sorts to me or I have to look up definitions and such, thoughts?

[light radish]

Yes you can 100% get a job with just knowing python. I got interviews from amazon/facebook/jp morgan for python developer roles.

[smoky quest]

If you are following a book, they should have exercises and mini-projects at the end of each chapter. Otherwise, any opportunity to practice is good practice

[pure raft]

Yeah, I’m currently doing an MIT course and a few others recommended by the good people here!

[near ocean]

I dont think this is accurate, there's no job out there that just uses python
Python is just a tool, you dont see plumbing jobs being advertised as "hammer only" or "wrench only" jobs
Can you share some job descriptions from jobs you interviewed for?

Youre just putting yourself (willingly) at a disadvantage if you only know one technology

[light radish]

Yes sir there definitely are. I just got hired for a python developer role, the only requirement was python and a few libraries. You can type in python developer on linkedin jobs or indeed. There are thousands of jobs just looking for python devs

[near ocean]

I have been for the past year, there wasnt a single one that just said "python" and thats it, theyre always paired with js for frontend, tableau, sql, whatever

[gritty rivet]

I don't disagree, but that doesn't mean you can't get a SWE job without really knowing any language other than Python. Like Shah, I did this too

[light radish]

Hmm not sure man, I am still getting emails daily about python jobs and most just strictly want python + libraries. There are a few yes that ask for some sql experience or aws, etc.

[near ocean]

So do you only do python and nothing else?

[light radish]

In the actual job? I haven't started yet but I am sure there will be more technologies being used that you will need to pickup and learn

Personally I learned just the basics of sql, aws, javascript, etc. But nothing too deep

[gritty rivet]

In my case, I do know SQL and have started learning JS a bit, but the job I'm about to start is 100% Python

The company has a platform built on other things, but most of their engineers only touch Python

[brittle thorn]

I have heard from youtubers on youtube that youtube burnout is a real thing..

Lol Patreon

[light radish]

Once you learn the basics and object oriented programming I would start building some projects. Some ideas are: Automate a game you play with mouse clicks, pixels, etc. Webscraping properties for sale or prices of games. Website with django. There tutorials on youtube for all of these. Just start them and once you finish, try adding more feautures to them

[red kindle]

do i need to only learn html css and javascript to get into web dev??

[brittle thorn]

Yeah they do

[red kindle]

only??

[near ocean]

Why are people so concerned about "only" learning some things

[brittle thorn]

Lazy lol

[near ocean]

Thats not how you start or maintain a career

[brittle thorn]

I agree

[brittle thorn]

Only implies doing the bare minimum

Dont complain if you 'only' get a few job offers or if the job offers 'only' pay so much if you 'only' do bare minimum

[shadow moss]

You can but it’s much harder.

[gritty rivet]

It has been a lot easier for me so far to find a job that only requires Python then it would have been to master multiple other languages.

But to move beyond the entry level? Sure, your point is well taken

[light radish]

I think some people are just trying to get their foot in the door. Easiest way to do that is focus on one thing and get really good at it.

[deep wraith]

can I just ask someone here who are good at python whats wrong with my code fast?

[gritty rivet]

Wrong channel, see #❓｜how-to-get-help and #python-discussion

[deep wraith]

ok

[dry dagger]

best career route?

[shadow moss]

Cool, I know plenty of people who couldn’t find a job only knowing Python but after learning something else, had no trouble. As always, YMMV.

In the US, few companies mainline python, it’s generally glue language but bulk of their code base is in Java, C#, or JS/TS.

[gritty rivet]

The one that suits you. It's a different journey for everyone. If your in high school, your focus should be on going to the best university you can without massive debt

[smoky quest]

well, not to be a negative nancy, but it's not like they will admit they are having a hard time recruiting for that team/role/company :p

It doesn't hurt to connect with them, and they may sponsor a visa or have other ways

it gets you in the US? From there you can go to any other company.
Or you can go back home a few years later with that experience in your pocket

Transferring the h1b visa is just a matter of 2-4 weeks. What takes the longest is the initial application.
Short of being from India or China, the GC will be a lot more approachable.

So while there is no way around the process and it can and does feel heavy at times, the benefits outweigh them in most cases. So I would still recommend to consider that.

With regards to power in negotiation, there isn't much, if any. Companies can try to play hardball with you and lower your salary but then what? You will switch job to a normal market rate as soon as you arrive, thus making the company spend tens of thousands of dollars on lawyers and months of preparation/waiting to have you leave right away. Their only power is if the employee is not aware of how easy it is to transfer their h1b visa. So from the company's perspective, they have all the incentives to treat you fairly

[gritty fjord]

do you get payed decently for software engineering

and do certain languages make you more, like c++. etc

[graceful mason]

They are the foundations which web dev are built on so you definitely need to know them, however a backend language can be anything (PHP, ruby, java, python etc)

We're also pretty much past the point of writing pure HTML/CSS directly and you'll instead use a framework that auto-generates a lot of it

Take a look at https://roadmap.sh/frontend

[patent plover]

hello guys i have received invition from google for a foobar challange and i know alot of ppl get this invition but im not that good with python so i was wondering if this challange will expire or i can comeback when i learn more about problem solving

[smoky quest]

Right, but a h1b is valid for like 5 years and then can extend it. And once you are in the GC pipeline, it just stays valid.

Also while a h1b does require a sponsorship from an employer (it's a non-immigrant visa), the GC does not since it's an immigration visa. Having a GC is pretty much like being a citizen without the citzenship/voting rights. So with a GC, you don't need any sponsorship and can even start your own company.

When a senior get hired through a visa and move to the US company, they don't step back or anything. Their experience remain valid, and that's why they got hired for anyway 😉

Note I am not trying to pull you in the USA comparing to Canada. They are both excellent choice. I am just saying it doesn't hurt to keep the door open to anything, especially if that manager is reaching out to you.

Note2: am not a lawyer

That's something that is more frequent the older you get.
It's a lot easier to move across the world while single than with a spouse, kids, a house, a circle of friends and family. Which is also why I typically recommend people to not wait

for GC, it's only for the application. After you got it, you don't need anything from any employer

[thick juniper]

I'd like to pull you to the US over Canada. 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸

@true harness responds with eagles and guns.

Hurrah!

Also, how do you write a "Seriously, wtf is happening over there?" email without being... mean? The HR woman I'm going through is very, very slow and I've had to urge her along at every moment of this application process. My friend at the company even emailed her to hurry her along. And I haven't heard anything for a week, and I'd like to write a follow-up, but I've written so many follow-ups, I feel like I'm verbally slapping her even when I write perfectly generic and polite emails.

Yeah, not sure a week is slow. I just mean she's been slow in general. Sorry. I'm assuming this is her being slow but it certainly might not be.

That's... decidedly better than anything I managed.

EDIT: Thank you. Damn slowmode

[smoky quest]

tbh, this has not been the experience in my network. It is pretty smooth and that's a very useful retention tool.

[thick juniper]

Yeah. That's fair. Next week it is.

[smoky quest]

I am not that old :p

[sharp thunder]

Hi guys , I just got a job 5 months back as a system admin for a company yet forgot to take myself out of the market online and now this month, I was just offered for a position in Devops which is 30k more than what I make right now.. would it be good to take this job even though I’ve only been at my current job for 5 months?

[smoky quest]

haha, like I said last time, I like to keep an air of mystery. So let's say 30 something

[smoky quest]

That sounds large enough to make anyone move. That said, I would also look at:

• You can't do that more than once or twice in a row, or you are gonna be tagged as a job hopper and getting more questions
• Consider also how the new position relates to your career and your opportunities for learning, growth

Just make sure to exercise and stay healthy. And don't prioritize work over health

[sharp thunder]

It really sets me up to finally get a house that I want and also my goals of working in DeVops finally. Though as mentioned, I’m scared of the job hopper part

[smoky quest]

once it's fine. But it means you can't just hop out of the next one within at least 12months

[terse tide]

So I have a question, I have been a python guy for many years, in addition I have been a Makerspace prototype engineer for many years, In recent time I have combined the two into end-to-end prototyping. I am investigating a career pivot and would really like to move into a sector where I can use these skills in addition to being challenged outside of the traditional developer boundaries. I am having a hard time targeting as I cannot seem to quantify the industry definition. Do any of you have experience in this area?

[smoky quest]

definitely! lol

[sharp thunder]

Will do!

[smoky quest]

yeah, and then I hire some out of college and got all the latest and cool tiktok trends

[terse tide]

Well my last contract was to produce a mobile crypto currency market pager including a screen, charts, audio, and alerts. So I wrote a charting engine using PIL and TKinter, Customized a raspbian minimal image, implemented an I2C battery controller in addition to a SPI TFT screen. Finally the housing was designed, assembled....you probably get it at this point. People come to me with napkin sketches they want made real.

I am aware that this is fairly unusual

Actually I have been the python/django programmer for a startup for the last ten years. Being that is boring as hell I freelanced into additive manufacturing in the evenings. I just kept training and never found a logical point of closure. With respect to technology in general I have been in the industry for about 17 years.

[sturdy jacinth]

I have question, I'm fresh grad currently working for this company for 6 months, and I got an interview offer from recruiter. I'm not too sure what to say if they ask me why I'm leaving job so early. Would looking for job with just 6 months in give bad impression to interviewers?

[terse tide]

More data, language processing, and along those lines, I just used django to host the APIs

We were in security, I was working with psychological analysis functioning as a non-physical biometric.

[sturdy jacinth]

I don't have any problems at current company except pay

well i would say it feels stagnant

[terse tide]

Yes I want to transition from cybersecurity into a more programming software to work with hardware to realize a finished concept... If that makes any sense at all.

Moreover, is this a pipe-dream and should I just venture back into the "cube"

Probably because I have spent an "amount" of time doing just that recently.

so it's stuck in my head now... god help me.

Did I mistakenly take the resume statement as a lighthearted joke, when in fact you were being serious? If so, please excuse me, I wasn't trying to come across as wry.

Ah, you were inferring that I should use this kinds of direct language about my pivot intentions in my résumés objective statement.

That is a good point. I’ll see about illustrating a clear target.

Thanks for the help!

East coast US

Howabout you?

[brittle thorn]

Oh my if only I got this advice or listened to it before I got really sick in my mid 30s after being continuously employed since uni and having multiple side gigs lol.

[brittle thorn]

Look for startups you can join or start in which you can define a role for yourself in which you could actually expand beyond whatever you are currently doing. Roles in startups are less rigid.

[brittle thorn]

Ten years in a startup lol i be bored too...and why is it still a startup lol

[terse tide]

Oh man dude, I'm suffocating

@brittle thorn

[brittle thorn]

It is not if you really want it

[terse tide]

@brittle thorn Agreed; however, my absence from the job market has created the problem where I am struggling to catch up to the new vocabulary, and in doing that figuring out how to cast a net. Once connected, I am confident that I will be able to assert myself.

I mean, WTF is a technologist?

that's like a thing now... yeah I read up I know what it is it's an example

That's surprising, as tech is 80% keeping up and the remainder planning an executing.

But it mirrors my experience closely, as standard business mechanics tend to weed out the new in favor for the tried and true.

[brittle thorn]

Sounds like a generalist.. and a future safe job title lol

[brittle thorn]

Lol East Coast ...I got to work with silicon valley startup that outsourced to us...

If you come up with an idea and pitch to VC lol

[brittle thorn]

I had played with additive manufacturing too and been to maker spaces.. It is an interesting space. I also worked on a Robotics startup that used arduino... Investigate the IOT space

[brittle thorn]

Try to be a cofounder in an IOT startup lol

I think in general startup are everywhere ...you may not make money initially but it can help you grow and change roles much more quickly

There are NYC based startups as well as startups in the valley ....corona may even help decentralise these tech hubs as more telecommute

[brittle thorn]

People like to play safe yes...sometimes it takes a crisis to get the ball rolling...corona may have accelerated some changes like telework, telepresence and like

[brittle thorn]

I used to attend meetups and got into data science that way from web and software dev. The coronavirus thou ended in person meetups lol

[terse tide]

Tell me about it, my previous pivot into the Italian full workflow 3d printing market went with it

pretty frustrating

[brittle thorn]

I think people esp HR pigeon hole you into a role

It can be pretty frustrating to try to pivot since HR wants to play safe usually

So yeah in my case my linkedin profile is full of offers for software dev but not that much for data science roles

I think it is like an actor that has been typecast into a role lol

Yeah I had a few data science projects but then the corona hit lol

I also tried being a cofounder at my own startups but no luck with cofounders...be careful when selecting cofounders and make sure your values align

Try stuff and see what sticks

[light radish]

The market is crazy hot right now, recruiters dgaf why you are leaving to be honest. If they ask just tell them you are looking for a different pace or something

[sturdy jacinth]

Ah i see lol

[gritty rivet]

What's the honest answer? If you don't know why you are leaving maybe you shouldn't be leaving. But if you're underpaid that's a valid reason.

[sturdy jacinth]

underpaid but i'm not sure on what would be best way to answer without telling i want better pay

[gritty rivet]

The only reason they should have a problem with that is if they're planning to underpay you. There's nothing wrong with being direct and truthful.

[sturdy jacinth]

makes sense. Thanks for advice 🙂

[light radish]

Texas

Thanks brother 🙏

[smoky quest]

Don't say you are talking with them for more money. It's like someone telling you they want to date you because of your money. That may be honest but not very engaging.

Right now, that recruiter contacted you. There is no paper to sign and they haven't offered you any employment.
Given they have reached out to you, you can simply say that you are always open to interesting opportunities and when the recruiter contacted you, that company and role have caught your interest.

That said, if you are already looking out within 6 month of your job, it would appear something is wrong at your current job.

[sturdy jacinth]

Thanks, i think your response is what i was looking for

[glossy geode]

I'm a 2nd year computer science student. By the end of this year, I'm going to know:

MySQL, SQL, Python, Java, C#, Unity Game Engine, C, Bash, Unix-Like Filesystems, HTML, CSS

Is there any other software, skills, or projects you guys recommend I pick up if I want to get a software dev job.

I have some experience with lists, hash maps, queues, stacks, and the linked versions of them. Maybe I need to know more datastructures? More projects? What do I need?

[glossy geode]

full stack web dev

I dont understand your reference to pokemon @kind oar

[buoyant seal]

he probably mentioned because of Unity Game Engine and C language which is spreading you into a different direction
Plus using Python/Java/C# for web development beginning looks like again super spreading of your efforts
Usually it is assumed getting a hang of at least one language seriously for commercial level programming.

I think it is fine what you are doing in the terms of University though, there we just try everything anyway.

[graceful mason]

Take a look at https://roadmap.sh/frontend and https://roadmap.sh/backend

[buoyant seal]

I think you are knowing all those things only at beginning levels though, as long as you don't have experience implementing enterprise level projects, it will remain beginner knowledge. It can be substituted only with pet projects to a some degree. So, you can't really say you know all those things yet
The correct word would be: "intern" rank of knowledge I think

The phrase lists, hash maps, queues, stacks, and the linked versions of them, clearly defines your current level of knowledge I guess.
Somewhere here next thing is to learn OOP / Classes / Inhertiance stuff usually goes

Choose a language you wish to dive into intensively

go over how to use its basic syntax fully (How to use Classes / Packages / How to publish code could be fun), plus a bit of second level things

Get started with OOP

if you wish a bit of more challenge, feel free to go through the clean code stuff after that
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Clean-Code-Python-Refactor-legacy/dp/1788835832
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Clean-Code-Handbook-Software-Craftsmanship/dp/0132350882

[regal tundra]

why is this book cover so camp

[buoyant seal]

a special book series, made in a really brain friendly way
they make everything easy to learn and to remember
book cover is just their part of style to this type of series

[gritty dawn]

Anybody know how high schoolers could get work experience or internships with a tech role?

[buoyant seal]

People usually say: Pet projects and participating in open source

i tried both things 😉 Open source is sort of nice for team work
Pet projects are just cool to try new tech as you wish, and getting full life cycle of a programming product, up to maintanance

[steel pulsar]

[sterile ridge]

Hi

Can't believe I wasted 20 seconds of my freakin time just to say hi

[vestal hemlock]

Hi guys

[swift veldt]

Python alone is a carrier that helps you achieve something as part of some work within a milieu/place: industry, company, etc. It enables you to do stuff. Learning Python, to be proficient with it, will definitely help you find a job that needs some programming capability. However, knowing Python alone will not be enough to land a job. You need a portfolio, the knowledge of some libraries that will be important in your job, and often industry-specific knowledge too. If you want to get a foot in the door, you need to have a more rounded profile.

Knowing a programming language alone is not a silver bullet.

[strong crest]

suppp

[viscid jungle]

[Advice/Question] Hi all, I am data scientist/ML engineer who uses mainly Python for coding. I am pretty fully immersed in the DS tech stack: SQL, Python, Docker, CI/CD, etc.

What I am trying to do is to get a management/leadership position. I have interviewed many places and failed. Furthermore, no feedback is given on why my profile is not a good fit. For those that managed to transit from the dev role to a more lead role, how did you do it?

Thanks in advance,

[vapid jay]

what types of careers in programming are possible without a degree?

[night gyro]

@buoyant seal I've briefly compared edition 6 and 7 for System Analysis and Design, at face value they appear to be very similar (contents are identical) but that's without delving in. Seventh edition is in grey scale though, thats a difference I can see 😅

[buoyant seal]

I noticed in descriptions: 464 pages in 7th edition, 448 pages in 6th edition, some 16 (or more if we consider replacements) new pages 😉

[night gyro]

Well...introduction already sets edition 7 a page ahead 👀 Actually I think my book is a dud I only have 435 pages

[gritty rivet]

There are some jobs that literally require Python and no other language. I just got one recently, as did Shah, scroll up to see the discussion of this. But aside from that, RoMs' advice is exactly right.

[rain geode]

Hi

[brazen prairie]

catch em all*

[vapid jay]

Hey guys

Anybody upto any projects ?

[still condor]

@bleak gull This server is not for recruitment. Read our #rules and channel descriptions, please.

[bleak gull]

Thanks , I will take care of this

[weak rock]

Hey everyone could use some career advice…! Any opinions/thoughts/direction!?

I’m currently working full time and getting my masters in data science. Not really enjoying my job as it’s all full stalk development (I don’t want to do this at all but keep telling myself “experience is experience”)… I’ve been interviewing for data science/analyst roles but getting rejected cause lack of experience (not upset about it cause good learning experience if all else.)

Recently I’ve thought about quitting my job and focusing on my masters full time, getting certifications, and doing interview prep for a more data sciencey role…

Am I making a impulsive decision.. anyone been in this scenario before or can offer some thoughts (folks who have been in the worming industry for a while?)

[gritty rivet]

I'm not that experienced myself (and not at all in data science) but I think the answer may depend on a) your financial situation and b) how much time and mental bandwidth you are losing to your current job.

How many months could you afford to go without income? Will leaving your job allow you to graduate well before that clock runs out?

[pseudo niche]

Hello guys, I just learnt python 3 months ago. I made 2 basics programs :

1. Binance-API Trading Bot
2. Amazon Product's Web Scraper using Selenium.
   These programs were just for me, but how I can improve my skills? Now, I just want to learn even if it will be unpaid job but How I can develop myself to find a job ?
   Basicly; How can I impress HR & companies?
   I will be appreciate for any kind of help, Thanks.

[light radish]

Those are good projects for your resume/portfolio. Do you have a current job or degree? Are you looking for an entry level job?

One thing you can do is make a website using django and display your projects/skills. You can list this website as a job on your resume and linkedin. You can say you are a developer for this website.

You could also say list "Independent contractor" or something along those lines and list your projects there.

[weak rock]

@gritty rivet financially I am fine, i can quit if I really wanted (but it’s gonna suck not making money obviously 😂) .
I keep going back and forth between should I push through it and suck it up cause this is life OR should I just focus on sharpening my skillset for the job I want (with the loss of “gaining industry experience”) and companies questioning a gap in my resume (even though it was for school lol). Would hiring managers/recruiters even care

[shadow moss]

Data Science does tend to care more about degrees then other fields so Master may give you advantage. However programming experience is always good. My thought, both are valid paths, it’s probably more on life situation.

[gritty rivet]

The resume gap should not be an issue if you have enough to show for it (a degree and/or a portfolio of projects). If your time is well spent that will also be more valuable than irrelevant work experience

How long have you been in the role you're in? Will another 6 months of the same experience be of any value on your resume?

[shadow moss]

Generally going to school is not “resume gap”

[pseudo niche]

I have bachelor's degree on Mechatronics Engineering, I do have more interest on software. I don't have a job right now and yes I am looking for an entry level job. I don't mind money/salary right now. All I want to developing myself and be good at programming. Django is a nice idea but I don't know will it be worth it?
Nowadays cryptocurrency is have big share of market, What about solidity?

[shadow moss]

You can easily explain it with “I needed to devote more time to school so I could finish it and pursue a career in data science which I enjoy”

[pseudo niche]

I think nowadays, "it is". Just my idea.

[shadow moss]

I interview plenty of people. Resume gap is unexplained absence from workforce. Going to school and then graduating isn’t resume gap that anyone at HR cares about. You can easily explain why.

[pseudo niche]

Well, since from graduation all I heard "experience" and I think something that school can't give it to you. At least in my country, Turkey. I don't know for USA or another countries.

[quaint lily]

If i wanted to take computer science at uni in the uk, what a levels will i need?

[gilded valley]

some unis only require 3 a levels at <whatever grade>, some just require N ucas points, some explicitly want maths, some want at least 2 STEM a levels

this is something you can quite easily check for yourself just by looking at different courses/unis

[light radish]

Where are you applying to? I know in Turkey the economy and wage is really garbage. The reason I said to build a website is that you can say you worked as a "developer" for this website and add projects to it. That would be your "experience". You can also make a fiverr account and do projects for people, that is also experience. Job title can be "Independent contractor"

[pseudo niche]

As you said working under Turkish Lira depency doesn't make sense anymore. From now on I want to continue as software developer. However when I check even entry level job they are asking too much experience/knowledge. How to achieve that? Thats was my problem actually. Fiverr may work but as I said it how to get a job for tech companies? More make programs to present in your CV/portfolio?

[quaint lily]

K thanks

[swift veldt]

!rule 6

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Seemingly the person posted the same in #pedagogy username: nupur#9951

[weak rock]

Thank you everyone for the advice so far! I have been in my current role for 1 year now and my manger is really pushing for me to go full stalk since many team members have left (not many developers left so have to cover up).. I have about 4 more classes left in my masters so I should be done by end of 2022 or mid 2023…
I am looking at data analyst/business analyst roles (basically anything with analyst/data to help me break into the “data world”)

[weak rock]

I’ve been in the role for a year now! This is where I’m going back and forth…Although 6 more months won’t hurt me, I also wonder if the stress is worth it and I could focus on just one thing. At work I use Java/angular… with school I’m using Python/R.

[fallen oxide]

Hi if I wanted to get started in machine learning or AI what are some prerequisites that I would need to know.

[novel remnant]

Can someone suggest some intermediate to advance project ideas in python/Django....please don't suggest a to do list or a tic tac toe project I am passed that ....just cant think of any unique project ideas to start with

[gritty rivet]

I would say it all comes down to what you can do with that time instead. If you feel like you're in a good spot to work full time on developing the skills you want to be using and have the financial space to do that, it's worth taking the plunge. As long as you have a good plan for making full use of that time, it will be worth it

[smoky quest]

That's probably a better question for #data-science-and-ml ?

[smoky quest]

ecommerce backend? twitter/instagram/discord clone?

[fallen oxide]

ok thanks

[novel remnant]

I mean a clone of a existing app or website is pretty common right? something else something interesting ....ps:Please dont mind me i am confused right now and I have no mentor

[vapid jay]

What jobs could I look doing a graduate program in with a cs degree ? Im not interested in programming/ web development side

[digital fjord]

you could be doing research, and things like hardware design and networking also aren't exactly programming heavy. Maybe even penetration testing and sysadmin stuff

[gritty rivet]

You have a graduate degree in CS, or you're thinking about doing one?

[vapid jay]

I like working groups , planning things , managing work . But I dont really like doing the programming side

[vapid jay]

Nearly finished my cs degree like

[digital fjord]

you could do project management, but I doubt you will get to do that without some hands-on experience

[vapid jay]

what could I start off as to work towards that job ?

[smoky quest]

No one cares about how unique it is.
What the interviewer will care about are the demonstrated skills

[vapid jay]

I have done intersnhip as software developer , working in teams was major part of that

[smoky quest]

Also on the topic of ideas, there is no such thing as an eureka moment.
It's a process. Most ideas will come by digging into a topic or subject, talking to people and doing things. That's how most startups get started too.
So if you want an idea that is truly unique to you, then dig into something you are interested in. The rest will follow.

[tidal flower]

Hey guys, I recently graduated from Flatiron and would love to connect https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremiahmarcos/

[vapid jay]

@digital fjord

[smoky quest]

What about sales or support/solutions?

[vapid jay]

Like what would be the job role name for that ?

[smoky quest]

technical sales, solution architect, technical support

Not really a meme channel here

[vapid jay]

what does a solution architect do ?

[inner wren]

Hey @vapid jay!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.docx). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[smoky quest]

They make sure the company's solution work for the customer. So whatever is needed to help them going

[vapid jay]

sounds good

[smoky quest]

It's a nice one too.
A parody of the little mermaid song about the C language

[vapid jay]

You know like agile projects , is there jobs that you can get it but not doing coding roles

[smoky quest]

Agile is a methodology, not a job

[vapid jay]

but working on agile team

[smoky quest]

But in the context of teams where stuff is being built, not liking the building stuff part will greatly reduce your areas of impact

[smoky quest]

what about QA or devops/sre?

[vapid jay]

someone could solve this task beg for help): ?

[vapid jay]

dont like devops , I like databases (I like sql) Is a database job stressful ?

[smoky quest]

wrong channel. This is #career-advice . You should check out #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

how

a ok

[smoky quest]

DBA still exist but are a dying breed, being replaced by the cloud

[vapid jay]

and its stressful ?

[smoky quest]

it can be since loosing data could mean loosing your job

[vapid jay]

right

what jobs would you recommend with a cs degree that isnt too stressful and doesnt or doesnt have much coding

dba stand data base analytic/analyzer ?

your hilarious arent you

[smoky quest]

I haven't worked in a company with a DBA in 10 years. And I have done tons of SaaS

[vapid jay]

wanting a job that isnt too stressful is completley fair thing to want

[smoky quest]

Assuming DE for data engineering, that's still different from old school dba though

[vapid jay]

what you mean a code monkey ? I worked as software developer intern . Im medicore at coding , so trying meet deadlines is stresfull

[smoky quest]

Right, so that goes back to DBA being a dying breed 🙂

need to make room for the new kids on the block

[vapid jay]

Work in a team on a project , managing projects

yes they are , when you dont understand what your doing

[gilded valley]

You very people who are full time scrum masters. That's about as low stress as it gets. But you're looking for a unicorn job which doesn't exist.

[smoky quest]

just to be blunt, you won't be handed any management responsibility from the get go. They will most likely be handed over to people who do the work.
Since you want to be in a team, talk a lot but not do the work, that doesn't leave you in a good standing and pushes you to the edges like support/sales/qa/devops/sre

[vapid jay]

what you mean a code monkey

[vapid jay]

okay ill remember that

Yeah I didnt like the software developer role , looking for job that doesnt require programming with a cs degree

yeah thats why im asking here

[smoky quest]

QA can be a lot of repetitive and manual work, but no programmingt
Solution architect may have some setup but programming
Project manager is a lot about coordinating but you have no influence/management. It's mostly about surfacing dependencies and timelines
Product manager is about determining the product roadmap, context, users, but that doesn't seem to be interesting to you

[vapid jay]

yeah I mean dont know why what im asking is so confusing

[vapid jay]

thank you , thats helpful

[vapid jay]

when did i see product manager doesnt interest me ?

[smoky quest]

that can be stressful

[vapid jay]

Well it depends on what people you work with , that makes it stressfull . But I would prefer that to being thrown on front-end/back-end project where I havent clue what im doing . Atleast working with people , I would feel like I have some impact

[vapid jay]

ok but I need look into it more

if the world was a sex movie do you eat creamy pizaa?

[smoky quest]

that's actually different.
As an entry level engineer, you are given a well defined task with well known boundaries. So the goals should be set and clear.
With product/project/program management, the goals aren't clear or even defined. A lot will be on you to provide

[vapid jay]

bruh i said if the world was a sex movie do you eat creamy pizaa?

[smoky quest]

Hi! This is not a channel for shitposting. You should try an offtopic channel

[vapid jay]

X_X now im banned

Well what slap will I get cause I have worked before in stressful environment, your saying I dont know how things work well thats why im here trying figure out what I would enjoy the most as a job. I wan the best opportunity for me

[vapid jay]

so i make the goals ?

[smoky quest]

No. Goals are defined by the (product) managers of the respective teams and their leadership

[vapid jay]

dont see why I cant just ask people , I am doing research not like im clueless . Just stuck

I didnt really say I want be a manager , just project management was brought up . Never said my work environment is toxic , dont know why you got that impression

[mortal wedge]

Amen to this. I'm a project lead and I get to set and define goals/criteria, yay.

[vapid jay]

I literally asked "so I make the goals" with that role and was told no lol

[smoky quest]

and also get the opportunity to repeat them often to make sure they get it and remember it

[mortal wedge]

Management isn't a required end-goal of your career. Some people are happy being senior/lead/staff engineers and not being in charge of anyone.

[vapid jay]

that whats im looking for

[smoky quest]

You won't be a lead without going up the ladder

[mortal wedge]

Well, leadership will give you a goal/vision. It's up to you to create subtasks that when accomplished will further that goal/vision.

[smoky quest]

Yeah, I do the same :p
That's part of growing the tech lead

[vapid jay]

Yeah I get that and where should I start on the ladder ?

[mortal wedge]

Well, generally you start at entry-level. Being a code monkey.

[smoky quest]

that's what entry level software engineers are

[vapid jay]

right

[smoky quest]

you can't get to be the boss without having done the work

[vapid jay]

lmao i never said you could

depends on the person tho

[mortal wedge]

Any sort of people management can be stressful if you're trying to do a good job.

You're going to have to work with at least one shitter in your professional life.

[smoky quest]

you may also want to check out:

• https://dresscode.renttherunway.com/blog/ladder - check out the career ladder link at the bottom
• https://dropbox.github.io/dbx-career-framework/overview.html
• https://www.amazon.com/Managers-Path-Leaders-Navigating-Growth/dp/1491973897 - It has manager in the title but it does cover all the engineer roles, from intern to CTO. Note they all start as an entry level software engineer

[vapid jay]

no but do I get choose what companies apply for and see reviews lol also my mom doesnt have parties dont bring her into please . good man

[vapid jay]

thank you

[mortal wedge]

I wish I could say otherwise, because you should definitely do research, but take company reviews with a grain of salt. They're going to be heavily skewed in the direction of salty employees.

[smoky quest]

But that's more about the career track for software engineers.
If you don't want to be a software engineers, while the ideas of junir/senior/lead apply, you won't get any of these. There will be equivalent tracks for the job you get into

[vapid jay]

yeah bit uncalled for , talking about reality check and mentioning families .

well that would be my party not my mothers now would it lmao

hows it her party if its setup for you ? what ? Again dont know why your talking about mother in first place . Thanks tho , I think looking for a job that best suits you shouldnt be something that im not taking serious about . Yeah I get things will be stressfull , but it shouldnt be like 100% of time

[ivory talon]

That is sounding a bit offtopic for this channel?...

[vapid jay]

No I get your point actually , I just dont know why your talking about my mam . I dont know I want to work hard on myself , then be able make my own choices

didnt say that all bud hahah

[vapid jay]

he mentioned my mom for some reason

didnt say i get choose with people i dont want , i said i can choose what companies i apply for

exactly !

no problem , just bit unprofessional and ironic how you trying teach me about reality of life.

I just want come here get an idea whats the best route for me , if wanting a job that isnt "too" stressfull (doesnt mean not stressfull at all) is looked down upon . Well I think the wrong mentality is wrong here , cause companies do want create comfortable work environment for there employees

this cs degree has been living hell for me and I worked hard to get it , so I have opportunities for myself

I have dealt with lot people in my life , I am up for the challenge

[crimson badger]

is it too late for me to do coding since near my gcse in few months and dont know much code

[vapid jay]

coding is an exam for you ?

[crimson badger]

i do it instead of computer science

[vapid jay]

are you talking about coding as a career option (college)?

[crimson badger]

yeah , i am thinking about doing it in college, it just says in the college im looking at , it but doesnt say if code or not

[vapid jay]

oh well I dont really know what coding in college means exactly , you sure its not computer science in college ? but when you say to late to start coding , if you mean learning well absolutely not. If you mean too late as a career choice pick for the gcse , im not sure how it works there

[crimson badger]

ah i see, i think its too late to do it as option but im currently learning it like just started yesterday but idk what carees or something i want to do , since i want to do other languages as well

[vapid jay]

so when it comes to learning code , its never too late. When it comes to careers computer science is one of the best in my opinion cause literally reason I done it was for the amount of opportunities it gives , if you scroll up you well see me asking for advice about jobs and i was listed so many

[crimson badger]

ah i see

[vapid jay]

does that help at all ?

[crimson badger]

yeah it does, helps alot

[vapid jay]

great , talk to guidance councilor in your school too

[rustic dawn]

anyone struggling to find companies that actually use python and not node.js or some other java-based techstack?

I am applying as an entry-level btw and the only openings are for js

[smoky quest]

A lot of people I would guess.
Java is a lot more dominant in the backend

[near ocean]

It could depend on your region, here in the uk i swear theres more dotnet jobs than people

[smoky quest]

yeah that too

[rustic dawn]

Yea it is very disappointing because from what I see its mostly companies with outdated tech that do not want to move on

[smoky quest]

Assuming that anything java/c# is outdated would not be being informed about the realities of the market

Java/C# are very much modern and frequently updated technologies

[rustic dawn]

I am not saying that java/c# is inherently outdated but the fact that many companies are not wiling to move away from them even in parts where python succeeds is a matter of being scared of change + lazy

[smoky quest]

That would be assuming python is a better solution to their problems

[gilded valley]

there's not that many companies using Python as their primary language, Python tends to be a secondary language used for glue or purely for internal apps.

[scarlet spade]

do you have any sources for that or is it anecdotal? not saying you're wrong, just curious for my own research 🙂

also is that regional or global?

[dense mesa]

This doesn't seem like the kind of thing you can easily get data on

[open belfry]

Hllo guys

I am a cs student and in serious need of guidance

I know basic python and classes and intetmediate stuff like map , filter and iterators

But i wanna ask if i want to become job ready what should i learn next

[scarlet spade]

right, that's why I asked. Saying "There's not many companies using Python as their primary language" without any way to quantify is a little discouraging to me. Anyways, there is an API from stackshare that can be used to pull at least any company who has their stack listed https://stackshare.io/django is one example of a query that could be made to find out more - in case anyone else wants to look into companies using Python

[gritty rivet]

I feel like maybe this changing? Experienced people on here are always saying there are no pure Python jobs but people like myself and Shah are getting our first SWE jobs based on pure Python. It's definitely true though that the overwhelming majority of roles out there still require more. Take note @steep raft :)

[hearty island]

hey guys quick question i got this email about moving me to the next process of the interview phase and it was asking me for a specific time, but it says do not reply... do i email the recruiter's address directly?

i emailed the recruiter directly and then it said something like hey i'll be out till 2/15 please contact this person for scheduling interviews so i guess that's the next part of the rabbit hole

why did it have to happen around the super bowl lmao

[smoky quest]

There isn't a market for inexperienced people and another for more experienced people.
The premises aren't either about their existence or not, but their prevalence.
From experience along the US west coast, backend-wise, python may be used to get something quickly going on but would quickly be transitioned out for more serious business and would remain as a glue / in-between / internal role.

[light radish]

Was it through linkedin? I had a similar thing happen to me, the company asked me for some info but I couldnt reply to the email lol

[light radish]

Learning the basics is good but not enough, you need to start making projects and add them to your resume/portfolio.

[hearty island]

no this was just some application i made before i passed the initial video interview round

oh it got confirmed

https://tenor.com/view/excited-kermit-the-frog-gif-13249242

[brittle thorn]

Lol im a .net guy maybe I should move there post pandemic

[iron linden]

what job title have you been searching on? (just curious) I see lots for data science requesting python.

[rustic dawn]

Im applying for SWE but yea ur right I might start applying to data science instead (altho im only mildly interested in that field)

[iron linden]

if you keep at it you'll find something for SWE. there are so many jobs available right now. don't give up to do something you're only mildly interested in (just my two cents)

[rustic dawn]

Problem is I'm entry level and I only have one Python SWE internship. It's so competitive and cutthroat rn for entry-level in general let alone picky ones like me who don't want to do js so yea im kind of reaching desperation at this point. And when I do find an SWE with a python requirement I end up not even getting an interview because either they don't want internationals or a variety of other factors

[smoky quest]

how many applications, responses and interviews?

[rustic dawn]

+100 apps
+10 coding assessment
3 screening interviews
2 final round interviews
0 offers

[smoky quest]

Thanks!
The ratios seem slightly under what I would expect.

• Have you had your resume reviewed?
• Any specific reasons for passing 3/10 coding assessment in your pov?
• Any specific reasons for no successful final rounds in your pov?

[rustic dawn]

• I had my resume reviewed by some of my peers and I used a resume scanner called resumeworded (premium version) to edit it until I got a higher score.
• I think I passed more than the 3 OAs but many times the companies just sent OAs and never bothered to respond. Like I remember many of them were easy and I destroyed. Yet never heard back or was told they moved on.
• one of the final rounds was for a machine learning position which in hindsight I realized I wasn't that qualified for since I only had a brief experience in ML. The other final round was recent and they were looking for more Java proficient new grads (even though I demonstrated that I am willing to code more in Java and that I was taught mostly in Java, I think it was apparent that my projects were more Python based).

[smoky quest]

• feel free to anonymize it and to send it here for reviews
• if you don't hear back and then got told they moved on, it means they weren't convinced. Try to always ask for feedback at the end. Even if they don't give any (and that's their prerogative), some may do and can be useful.
• the ml/java stories are odd to me. As an entry level, you aren't expected to have experience in either, and it's pretty normal to hire people who do not have a strict history in a technology as long as they are willing to pick it up. Especially for entry level. But I guess it still does happen

[rustic dawn]

Im catching a flight in a bit but I think I'll do that and send it. Would it be appropriate in this channel or somewhere else?

Also thanks a lot for this

[smoky quest]

this channel is fine

[strange bane]

Should I take discrete math if I want to major in computer science and computer programming?

[smoky quest]

why not?

[strange bane]

I was just wondering if I should take it

[smoky quest]

yes

But that's no different than flipping a coin for me. I don't know where you are at in your studies, your alternative routes, your motivations, how is your relationship with math or literally anything.
So in abstract yes, more math can only help

[quiet wing]

i have been using python for about a year now. I think i should try something new. For the past days i have been thinking about game development. Should i do it? If yes, what language should i start learning.

[tender thistle]

C++

[jagged glade]

C++ is indeed commonly used for gamedev, but Pygame may be a better introductory choice for smaller personal projects by someone already familiar with python, and Unity's usage of C# makes it a very strong contender as well.

[sinful badger]

shud i get a degree in software engineering or computer science if i wanna be a full stack dev??

[smoky quest]

That would increase your odds by a lot and make your career smoother and easier

[sinful badger]

oh no, i was asking which degree to get

im having problem choosing computer science or software eng

[smoky quest]

ah, then great!
I can't comment much on their difference

Still not a shitpost channel

[simple zealot]

Please can anyone suggest to me I need some projects for my resume so I can prepare for interviews or any suggestion?

[lethal spoke]

https://fullstackopen.com/en/

Make a website with a backend API that does something

[simple zealot]

Sure I will try it!

[graceful mason]

In theory software engineering better prepares you for working, but at some universities (at least in the UK) there aren't significant differences between the 2 degrees. You should look at each course on a per-university basis and see which one has modules you think will be thr best for you

[west gorge]

for inexperienced and also for more experienced people why this

[past skiff]

Anyone knows of any currently open remote internship opportunities for Data science students?

[vapid jay]

I want to major in CS after I graduate and join a college or university, but I don’t exactly know what I want to do. There’s so many things you can do with this, it’s just so hard to choose from 😂

[dense mesa]

No need to think too much about it now, it's great you already know you want to study CS

Anecdotally, a lot of people I know at my uni don't know what they wanna do in final year, we kinda just fall into jobs or hear about something interesting and go for that

[vapid jay]

Ah, I see. I’m only in the eighth grade so.. I probably won’t have to think about it for a while 😂

[pastel marten]

hello

Anyone wanna help some little birdies out ?

[dense mesa]

Yeah you're completely fine, knowing what you wanna study further at that age is decent anyways

I never understood the meaning of this advice when I was younger, but really you don't need to have anything completely figured out

Eg the job I have after uni, I didn't know was a thing til last summer

[ivory sluice]

have you seen #❓｜how-to-get-help ? you can claim a help channel for python questions and troubleshooting

[safe loom]

Been three months without a job and I keep getting rejections. It's so annoying. I don't even have any network to base myself on.

[delicate bane]

whichever degree you pick, try to get internships during your schooling - it will help a lot in building a resume

[inner wren]

Hey @rustic dawn!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.pdf). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[rustic dawn]

here u go my anonymized resume

tear it apart pls i accept all critique

[smoky quest]

That's actually pretty fine. That's the kind of resume I would call back for entry level.
Some nitpicks:

• the deploy part of your classifier can actually be pretty interesting. Training the model is great, but making it usable and setting up the feedback loop/retraining can be interesting
• the ALL AVAILABLE ON GITHUB makes it sound that I, as an interviewer, would have to go to your profile and then look for them. That ain't gonna happen. So make the titles of your projects clickable or put a link on each one.
• all your projects are in python. Having a project in java may increase your calls

[peak halo]

This looks pretty good, and it looks to me like you'll be a strong job candidate. As a pdf, is the github part clickable? (are the individual projects clickable?)

I would delete August 2018 - Present from the education part and put the expected graduation there instead. It doesn't necessarily matter when you started, and they can work backwards if they really want to know. Also, are there any courses you took that they might be interested to know about? Ones that not every CS student takes, and which make you stand out. I listed foreign language, language theory, and academic writing courses I took.

Are your projects listed in any particular order? I see that they are not chronological.

Regarding the absence of tangible Java experience: I've never been asked to write fresh code in Java, but I recently had to build an existing Java project and had no idea what to go except google Maven. I don't think that will be an issue for ML positions.

[silent mountain]

Have any of you applied for an IBM apprenticeship?

[gritty rivet]

I would search LinkedIn

[delicate bane]

i also think your resume looks pretty good. it took me 3 semesters of grad school and WAY more applications before i got my current internship (high chance to transition to FTE) but im transitioning from non-technical so that makes sense

[thick phoenix]

is there any website something like this for python?

actually I do all my programs in python so is it ok if I switch to new technology like nodeJS , reactJs

[quiet wing]

Is vscode ok for developing games? or is there any other ide for C++

[jagged glade]

vsc should be fine for nearly all languages, really

[lethal spoke]

You can swap the node backend for something like flask to keep python

Realistically if you are programming as a career, you will be using a bunch of different technologies, and you would be expected to be able to pick new ones up with relative ease

[vapid jay]

guys?

can i ask?

that what ide should i install if i am learning python and java?

[smoky quest]

wrong channel. This is about #career-advice . You should check out #❓｜how-to-get-help

[undone willow]

Say someone doesn’t have formal experience in programming. But they have projects. How would you list that on a resume? Any examples?

[smoky quest]

There would be a project section. And if it's paid work, it would be in experience

[undone willow]

I hate to ask this follow up dumb question but. Is a paragraph explaining the project good or are bullet points Better?

[smoky quest]

Whatever helps. Sometimes doing both helps 🙂
There are no hard rules.

[undone willow]

Thank you guys, wish I could ask a recruiter.

[low scaffold]

heyy

[smoky quest]

am not a recruiter but I hire people

[graceful mason]

Looks like a great resume!
One small nitpick is when applying for machine learning positions, even though your projects imply that you know how to use certain ML python packages, I would explicitly write out a list of which ones you know how to use

Also as the others said consider listing any interesting uni modules (especially projects, which you should also stick on your GitHub), sometimes interviewers like talking with you about your education and how it can relate to the position

[low scaffold]

soo i got a call yesterday and had interview today...

[undone willow]

Oh. Sweet.

Guess I’ll be in front of you one day forgetting how to talk intelligently one day. Haha. Thank you all.

[smoky quest]

and? everything went well?

[low scaffold]

I DONT KNOW i was so nervous it was my first interview

[low scaffold]

do you know raytheon technologies, and under that company called pratt and whitney

[smoky quest]

heard of them. Not personally, haven't raised goats together either

[low scaffold]

everyone says they heard every single person i asked lol

but anyways... soo how do i know if it went well or not... cuz ik i def did make small mistakes when explaining something but to cover that up, i explain other stuff more or whatever questions they asked

and sometimes i wasnt being too specific when describing behavioral question

[smoky quest]

that comes with experience. You can also get the vibe of the room.
or the zoom*

[low scaffold]

huh wdym explain wdym by the vibes

[smoky quest]

just plain old people skills.
If people laugh with you or are frowning upon what you say

If someone is trying to vibe with you, they will tend to copy each others

[low scaffold]

wait omg they did laugh multiple times

[smoky quest]

or if the interviewer asks 5 times the same thing...that's a bad sign and they didn't get what they wanted to hear

[low scaffold]

so they didnt ask same thing, but they kept asking different questions

[smoky quest]

if they are different questions about the same thing, it may be them trying to rephrase it to get the answer they want and ensuring it's not a communication issue

[low scaffold]

nono, i meant different questions... like am i in clubs or organization, and next question would be what do i like to do in my free time

[low scaffold]

rn i wrote a thank you letter, can you plz proofread it

[brittle thorn]

aerospace....defense corp i think

[low scaffold]

yes!

[brittle thorn]

Nice if you can get in

[smoky quest]

Just post it. But I won't guarantee anything

[low scaffold]

the way they were talking there were lot of positive signs such as when you will be working with the team... then person said im sure we will meet soon or sum like that and then they said you might not get the exact position you want but depending on where you get, you should take the oppurtunity to take step in this company because it will help you alot and you can apply here next summer too and build more connections, etc.

[low scaffold]

Thank you from bottom of my heart to give me a chance to show you my abilities and skills throughout the interview. I appreciate you taking time off from your busy schedule for me to get to know me even better. Through my commitment for any position I get offered, I will learn all the skills I can throughout this opportunity if I get the job. Can you please provide me back with the feedback if you have any. Also can you provide me other interviewer’s email so I can write the thank you letter. I hope you get back in touch with you soon and bring this company my all skills.
I still want to fix sentences ofc

[smoky quest]

I would add something about how awesome they are. Right now it's a lot about "me, me, me and me and me"

[low scaffold]

ok and someone said dont send email on weekend wait til monday does it matter?

[smoky quest]

doesn't matter. if anything, sending over the weekend shows your passion

[low scaffold]

ahh i see, okk well

[brittle thorn]

Yes do add this

[low scaffold]

ok give me couple mins

[brittle thorn]

Not everyone gets to work with a defense and aerospace contractor so they are awesome at that level

[low scaffold]

Thank you for giving me a chance to show you my abilities and skills throughout the interview. I appreciate you taking time off from your busy schedule for me to get to know me even better. I am glad you gave me opportunity to work with this company where not everyone gets chance. I will bring much more to the table than mentioned in the interview, in order to help company grow further and learning new skills by working with you amazing guys if I get the job. With this being, I am very excited to work with you guys in future. Also can you please provide me other interviewer’s email so I can write them the thank you letter too. I hope you get back in touch with you soon!

[low scaffold]

really

[brittle thorn]

Yeah and usually working with such companies could involve intensive background checks

[low scaffold]

dang well can u read the updated letter plz also tell me what nice stuff to say ab them lol i did add alittle but what else if u have more ideas

[brittle thorn]

Maybe give something more specific like being excited to work with a firm working on cutting edge aerospace projects. Depends does your interest lie in aerospace if it does then write about it.

[low scaffold]

but i havent gotten the job yet tho

and its related to computer science

[brittle thorn]

Write as if you are excited about it

And being excited about applying computer science in the aerospace domain

[smoky quest]

still missing about how awesome they are

[brittle thorn]

Think iron man lol ..that level of excitement

[smoky quest]

you + them = love / great match

[low scaffold]

ok i added this sentence With this being, I am very excited to work with you guys in future.

[smoky quest]

that's lame. It sounds like how awesome it's a chance for them to work with you.
try to at least to find something positive to say about then

[low scaffold]

lol u help me thennn plz

[smoky quest]

It could be as simple as "I was impressed with the team". Or as fancy as you want.
The main thing is to sound and feel natural

[low scaffold]

also once i get other managers emails, can i write the same exact email to them?

[smoky quest]

you could do a sort of recap. But chances are that anything sent to the recruiter will be forwarded

[low scaffold]

ohh

ok ready i will send it again lol

[smoky quest]

"I already sent to X how impressed by the team/X/Y/Z, but I want to insist on how awesome W/T/U"

and yes, it totally sounds like you are sucking up to them. But flattery does work

and also yes, not everyone send a simple thank you email and yes, it does go a long way to show your interest

Get excited and build momentum, especially if they have had positive interviews with you

[brittle thorn]

Yeah sound natural and dont add anything that can be questioned later on.

[smoky quest]

yeah, when asking for newgrads, they aren't looking for the moon. They are mostly asking for someone fun to work with and worth investing the training

[brittle thorn]

Be specific why are you excited ...generic replies are boring

[smoky quest]

BS answers are also easily detected

[low scaffold]

Thank you for giving me a chance to show you my abilities and skills throughout the interview. I appreciate you taking time off from your busy schedule for me to get to know me even better. With my level of commitment, I will bring much more to the company than expected with me being determined with any position I get offered. This will help me gain experience in my major, challenge myself and apply this knowledge in future. I am very impressed with the whole team especially when each of you has the unique roles but still worked together as a team. I think teamwork, leadership, etc. are essential skills in the real contemporary world. Based on this information and the company culture, it gets me even more excited to work with this amazing company. Also, can you please provide me other interviewer’s email so I can write them the thank you letter too. I hope you get back in touch with you soon!

[smoky quest]

dude or dudess, at least bring one detail you enjoyed in the conversation. It's way too generic and still way too much about yourself

[low scaffold]

i enjoyed how the nature of them was when asking me questions and it was fun and not boring...how do i say this

oh also i like the fact that they said the culture of the company is interactive and everyone is working in the team

[graceful mason]

The interview is over you shouldn't be trying to sell yourself still (seems kind of desperate?), it should just be a nice thank you

[low scaffold]

ok i took that part out check it now plz

@smoky quest @brittle thorn can i send the email at this time?

[vapid jay]

yo anyone doing computers science a levels?

[graceful mason]

Have done them in the past, any questions?

[sharp lotus]

DS job market

Job market

[wild ginkgo]

Yoo can someone teach me functions in python

[quiet wing]

youtube exists

[wild ginkgo]

Its just basics overthere🤔

[quiet wing]

there are function tutorials or just search up functions in google

watch corey schafer

[wild ginkgo]

Okk lemme see

I saw a good channel coding with mosh

But there was only 1 lecture related to it

[vapid jay]

Probably asked many times but How long of full time study would it take to get a job as a Python software developer?

[buoyant seal]

This book will teach you. It is an amazing teacher.

[candid crescent]

does anyone have ideas how I can use my python skills to make money on the side?

[noble tusk]

You already have one, just polish it (Im talking about your GoodDeeds project) P.S just dont make money from people using services 😅

[silent mountain]

???

[gritty rivet]

If you want to find people who did that program, the best place to find them is LinkedIn.

[silent mountain]

LinkedIn is garbage unless one is paying for the subscription in my experience.

[sharp thunder]

Hi guys, I’m here nervous for my interview this Monday and just curious if anybody has had a company reply back to them saying their resume and work experience is impressive yet there is 1 or 2 things in the job application they didn’t know? I think It’s cause I’m just nervous but they are also asking for experience in Scrum and SAFe agile which I don’t know much about and didn’t include in my resume at all

[vapid jay]

Like .exe?

Pip install pyinstaller

Then pyinstaller script.py

[summer roost]

this is off topic for this channel - grab a help channel if you want to keep discussing it, please.

See #❓｜how-to-get-help

[summer roost]

Scrum isn't anything complicated. You can learn everything you as an individual contributor need to know by watching a 5 minute video on youtube. Don't worry about it. 🙂

https://youtu.be/ZiEcq9uvi4Y for instance

[sharp thunder]

Thank god, I thought I’d have to study nonstop every hour till Monday😅 but if I never used scrum at my past jobs before, would just saying I know it by knowledge or something help me out if I’m asked in the interview ?

[summer roost]

You can say you've heard of Scrum and know a bit about it, but your previous job didn't use it.

Don't lie. It's not complicated, and it's not something they'll mind teaching you.

[buoyant seal]

i am afraid that at some next company I would be working, there would be Scrum which is not Scrum, but some just wrongly made imitation, and instead of any positive outcomes it will be bringing just frustration
Thankfully it is a problem of future me

[summer roost]

Whenever you join any company, you'll have to learn how they manage the SDLC. Sometimes you can nudge it in a better direction, sometimes you can't. 🤷

[buoyant seal]

There would be a good chance I will setup at least part of this life cycle. I like devops stuff, and those Infrastructure tools define development process ;b

[summer roost]

I think "what's your code review process?" is the single most useful question you can ask a company during an interview to figure out how healthy their development process is.

if they stare at you blankly, or tell you that your manager will be reviewing your code, run 🙂

[buoyant seal]

🤣

[buoyant seal]

I would also be tempted to run, if to answer: do you do testing to your code? I would get answer: We don't have time for testing / we are planning to implement it later

[summer roost]

to be clear, the reason that it would be problematic if they say that your manager will be reviewing your code isn't that the manager doesn't know how to code - it's that, if they view it as the manager's responsibility to review a junior's code, it means that they don't have a culture of knowledge sharing amongst the team. It strongly suggests that, once you graduate from junior to senior, no one will be reviewing your code, because they view code reviews as a supervisory process, not as a knowledge sharing and design refinement process.

[true harness]

i presume this is only applicable if you have a lot of options to choose from? the running part

[summer roost]

Well, that depends on your personal circumstances. If you can't afford to hold out for a better job, you may be forced to accept one that you can tell at a glance doesn't have their shit together.

If you have the option to hold out, I'd recommend holding out.

but yeah, it does depend on where you're at, and how you're making rent 🙂

[agile elk]

hi

[rustic dawn]

you are right. It completely slipped my mind that I could add hyperlinks

I do have a javascript team project that i havent contributed much too but i could still add it and prep for questions about it

[rustic dawn]

Yea I will make them clickable. thank you. And as for the date that makes sense. And for chronological order I honestly just ranked them by importance or how much I think its relevant to the position. The higher the more likely they see it I thought

[rustic dawn]

Roger that, I will be adding recent and important coursework in the education section ty

Thank you all for your time and feedback.

[misty palm]

anyone able to hop into voice chat with me for a couple of minutes and talk about python

[wind crow]

Hi everyone, im a current small business owner and i would love to know more about a career in Python or development. my background is more in HR and management but i want to increase my income with a new skill! any help?

[worn tusk]

is it worth it to minor in cs

as a business student, who somewhat kind of enjoys CS, or should I just take a few electives for fun

[smoky quest]

By java, I meant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_(programming_language), not javascript. Especially if you are looking at backend.
(note: other languages like go or c# may work as well for that purpose, but your resume lists java)

[smoky quest]

CS is fun.
Whether or not it will be worth it will entirely depends on your situation, goals and what you would do if you don't take it. Considering your alternative are "electives for fun", I would say it's worth it. It can help understand better the automation around your major and even make you more effective by being able to automate some of your own tasks

[rustic dawn]

Sounds good. I'll explore that.

[vapid jay]

is being a programmer for introverted people?

[smoky quest]

it can be

[marsh wind]

In ideal world senior code is reviewed by other seniors but also more junior devs, no?

[summer roost]

some programmers are introverted, some are extroverted. Just like every other profession, I'd imagine.

[marsh wind]

When we interview candidates for Android devs and they ask about automated testing I always feel really bad

I am glad that for our backend I can now tell that we do write tests and not just plan to start....

[summer roost]

Yes, I'd say so. In an ideal world, seniority isn't a consideration within a team. More junior people often bring new ideas and fresh perspectives and knowledge of tools used in other companies, and more senior people have deeper domain expertise and tribal knowledge and more hours of practice at coding. Having people from both camps look at a piece of code can surface better solutions, regardless of whether the code was originally written by a junior or a senior.

and code reviews are great for sharing knowledge - the way that juniors pick up some of that product knowledge and domain expertise is talking with seniors about the product, and the way that seniors learn new tricks (or, one of them, at least) is hearing from other people who've used them in different jobs

The worst situation is where they treat code reviews as something that only junior devs are subjected to, since it implies that they're completely disregarding the teaching and bug catching aspects of code reviews, and just focusing on them as a means of keeping an eye on more junior devs.

[smoky quest]

That would also be a massive flag in terms of ego and toxic culture in the team/org/company

[marsh wind]

Is it common or even exist to have cross team/product code review?