career-advice

[marsh wind]

what's EMT?

[knotty siren]

tech side is pretty advanced for a small country but im huge noob

[shadow moss]

Sure, you need to learn, that's why I would recommend community college if you were American

[knotty siren]

emergeny medical technican

[shadow moss]

not sure what equivalent is in Estonia

[knotty siren]

im doing an online course, its pretty expensive for what it is

i did the calculations and i could have bought 11 years of codecademy

and i get little python, java and sql 😄

and its online so pretty much no support but looked this discord up

[shadow moss]

Sure, that's a shame

[golden tundra]

Is there any particular reason why you picked that online course?

[shadow moss]

I dislike all these bootcamps taking advantage of people in COVID

[knotty siren]

im desprate, i need a job really bad

and i like data science

[little trellis]

https://www.freecodecamp.org/ is good

[knotty siren]

but its a huge learning curve and doing it alone feels impossible

[little trellis]

Dataquest did well for me with data science learnings back in the day

I can imagine the isolation is pretty rough with online courses right now

[knotty siren]

i go out once a week for like a year now

anyway, im not looking for atteniton

rather if its a good discord for people to guide people with online courses

[little trellis]

Feel free to message me if you have any data science/engineering related questions. Happy to help as well as I can

This community is pretty good in that area

[knotty siren]

im far from data science but thanks 😄

still learning python basics, did some html scraping today

i have actually one question, im gonna pm

[little trellis]

html scraping is a good exercise

[dense mesa]

@knotty siren refund the course if you can

There are more resources available for free that you could get through in a lifetime

Especially if you're in Estonia/near Tallinn, there will be loads of stuff

Just don't ever pay for courses

[knotty siren]

im unemplyed rn, so i got i through government but i still feel its ripping people off bad

[dense mesa]

There's some justification for paying for higher education if it suits you

How much is it in €?

[knotty siren]

with tax it was 1000€

python basics and python advanced 😄

[dense mesa]

Wtf???

[knotty siren]

im half way through advanced and i feel more simple than ever 😄

[dense mesa]

What are some of the problems you're solving?

Theres literally a government subsidised startup program

Estonia startups or something

You could work for minimum wage and learn on the job

[knotty siren]

sec

i can send the topics for advanced course

Lambda functions.
Advanced list comprehensions.
The module.
Mapping and filtering.
Sorting sequences.
Unpacking sequences in function calls.
Modules and packages.

thats for the first chapter

regex was huge and painful second part

data: Data stored in a relational database.
Data stored in a CSV file.
Data from a web page.
HTML, XML, and JSON.
Accessing an API.

[dense mesa]

My advice would be to refund it as quickly as you can and try to get experience with one of the many startups

[knotty siren]

testing and debugging, classes and objects, havent unlocked those

[dense mesa]

Offer to work for free

It's better than paying

[near ocean]

Are startups really a good place to earn experience

[knotty siren]

yeah, i thought i could pay for my internship

[near ocean]

Usually their teams are quite small, you dont get anyone overseeing your work

[dense mesa]

They throw you in the deep end and you have to learn fast, it's difficult but efficient

[dense mesa]

Don't pay for an internship...

[golden tundra]

Uh, it widely depends

On the startup, that is

[near ocean]

I dont think that counts as learning

[golden tundra]

Sometimes, they don’t actually know what they want you to do

[dense mesa]

That's the best alternative I can think of for someone based near Tallinn

[near ocean]

I would not join a startup to learn things tbh, i'd rather join an established company that has a decent sized dev team and clear hierarchy

[dense mesa]

Again, it's not ideal, but getting paid while you pick stuff up is better than paying someone for stuff that's online for free

[knotty siren]

in estonia every third person is working with tech so i should ask prolly 😄

[dense mesa]

Theres a centralised database run by the government of startups

Just because it's a startup doesn't mean there isn't a dev team or hierarchy

You'll have more free reign to learn

Since there is no central internship opportunities database, we can suggest you to either:

• check out the opportunities presented on the Work in Estonia webpage: https://www.workinestonia.com/latest-offers/ (there's the Internship category); or
• be proactive, choose a company you'd like to work for (do the internship at), and contact them directly. Many startups are busy developing their ideas further and could use an extra hand, but maybe don't have the time to post a notice for a vacancy (especially early stage startups). So any help from a potential motivated team member is usually warmly welcomed. You can see all the active startup in Estonia from our Estonian Startups Database: https://startupestonia.ee/startup-database.

Think of it more as being paid to get mentored by someone and make something

[knotty siren]

didnt even know website like this existed, i was looking offers at linkedin

thank you

[dense mesa]

@knotty siren even if you're not near Tallinn, try and work remote

Just write a template email and cold email as many startups as you can

They can take you under their wing, teach you how to write good code, and hopefully pay you for it

[knotty siren]

im still learning the basics but its an uphill battle with course like that

[fast tinsel]

Guys, how can one land their first job in IT security? :)

[shadow moss]

Apply, interview and get job

[shadow moss]

There is no one path to IT security

[dense mesa]

Certification definitely helps, get as much experience as you can, watch videos by Professor Messer

[marsh wind]

there are pros and cons to starting at startup

and I think it can be more/less beneficial depending on the person i question

[winter adder]

Programming projects in computer science make no sense

you're expected to be a 1 man team

and do analysis, design, test plans, development, iterative testing, post development testing, evaluation etc. by yourself

my teacher noticed I was doing development then backfeeding it into design and he was like "in the industry you won't be doing this"

and I said "in the industry I won't be a one man team"

😎😎😎😎

[delicate bane]

[dense mesa]

Bruh the teacher probably doesn't give 2 shits and just wants an easy to mark project

[winter adder]

nah that's just how the curriculum works here

there's a LOT of documentation you need to do for a project

I'm currently on 76 pages

kinda putting me off wanting a software development job

applied for a cyber security course at uni instead

[dry sapphire]

and I said "in the industry I won't be a one man team"
@winter adder you could be the technical founder of a startup

like I am...literally doing everything

design frontend backend devops

is a fun experience tbh

[winter adder]

could be fun

he doesn't make it fun

you also need to find a real client

and stakeholders

but I'm fairly certain everyone faked their client

[dense mesa]

@winter adder that sounds like a level cs

[winter adder]

it is

year 13

[dense mesa]

Bruh

Drop it if you can

[winter adder]

haha why

[dense mesa]

A2 CS is awful

[winter adder]

I'm nearly done

[dense mesa]

If you're taking it as a 4th

[winter adder]

it is awful

we reported our teacher for being bad

[dense mesa]

The teacher doesn't care how good your project is

[winter adder]

and he admitted to doing things badly

then carried on doing the sme things

[dense mesa]

They'll shit on it even if its the best thing in the world

[winter adder]

yup

noticed

[dense mesa]

Because they're too old to understand anything

[winter adder]

literally.

[dense mesa]

My teacher was reported multiple times and they were like "6th form is for self teaching"

[winter adder]

he wrote that I did not mention decomposition in the feedback he gave me

and I have a whole paragraph on it

it is definitely not self teaching LOL

[dense mesa]

🙈

The best part is that unis don't even want cs for their CS degrees

Maths/further maths is much more preferable

[winter adder]

some of mine do

[near ocean]

Cause CS is garbage

[dense mesa]

Leeds?

[winter adder]

my main choice asks for CS I believe

[dense mesa]

Wat

[near ocean]

Which uni is that

[winter adder]

but you can always do a foundation year

[dense mesa]

I've never heard of a uni asking for cs over maths for a CS undergrad

Maths is always preferred, further even more so

[winter adder]

128 UCAS tariff points to include grade B in GCE A level

Computer Science

City University London

[dense mesa]

Immense waste of money, only do it if you want the uni experience

[near ocean]

Unis like Imperial and UCL actually tell you not to take cs

[dense mesa]

Yeah that's not a requirement

Just the offer

[winter adder]

isn't that

the same thing

[dense mesa]

Why not kcl?

No that's the grade offer

If you had another subject it would be that subject

[winter adder]

oh rightt

interesting

doesnt kcl have higher requirements

[dense mesa]

If you can go through clearing maybe try kcl

Idk its like AAB I think

[winter adder]

my predicted grades were BBD* I think

didn't wanna risk it

[dense mesa]

Clearing I mean

Idk anything about city ngl

[winter adder]

yeah if I get higher than expected results I'll try go somewhere with highere requirements

I know a couple people who go there

heard it's good

¯_(ツ)_/¯

at least I got my offers

also applied to portsmouth uni

[dense mesa]

In clearing, the requirements are a lot lower

If you see kcl and you can take it, might be worth trying

Portsmouth is meant to be bad for cs

I've heard people say it sucks on uniuk

[winter adder]

wouldn't that mean I'd have to reject my offers/not choose any?

[dense mesa]

But that may just be certain people

[winter adder]

until clearing

idk how it works

[dense mesa]

Nah

[near ocean]

Theres no bad uni nowadays

[dense mesa]

Once clearing happens, you can reject then

[near ocean]

Everyone's fucked

[dense mesa]

You don't have to reject until then

[winter adder]

lmao

[winter adder]

oh cool

I got til may

to respond

I have an unconditional from UEL

[dense mesa]

Do your application as normal, once you get your results, keep an eye out

[winter adder]

idk how good it is

but it's an unconditional

so defo gonna be my safety

[dense mesa]

The more widely accepted "good" unis don't usually give unconditionals

[winter adder]

I ideally want to get into City but I need a B in cs

[dense mesa]

I would try and talk to people who attend that uni for cs and see what they say

[winter adder]

which is gonna be hard to achieve with this teacher

[dense mesa]

You can try going to the exam board

[winter adder]

I'm really hoping my project gets a B

[winter adder]

for what

[dense mesa]

If you think your teacher isn't marking properly

[winter adder]

and would they mark it instead?

@dense mesa

[dense mesa]

Not necessarily but it's worth a shot

[near ocean]

50k words?

Lmaoo

My MSc dissertation was shorter than that

[winter adder]

👀👀👀👀

thatd be lovely

for a little inspiration

[dense mesa]

I haven't done a level cs in many years but would be interested

[winter adder]

🙂

no worries, probably would have brought my self esteem down

[alpine turret]

Has anyone applied for jobs in the US as a Canadian? When asked if you are eligible to work the in the US how do you answer?

[jolly furnace]

trump says NO

oh wait hes no longer in office

[little trellis]

Who is Trump?

[jolly furnace]

who knows

[full maple]

Hi guys! i need a good cv(resume) template to use for applying for work in europe Thanks!

[near ocean]

This is not the appropriate channel, try offtopic

None

[tender thicket]

!warn 731591304647147631 this channel is for discussion of python and the world of work, not off topic youtube videos that would better fit in #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @wary coyote.

[wild timber]

anyone have any experience with indian recruiters on linkedin?

i keep getting connection requests from there asking if i need a job (which I do), but i dont seem to understand if they're legit or not, if anyone has any experience with this, i would really appreciate it

[shadow moss]

Mihir, you American?

[delicate bane]

good luck. i saw an internship posting the other day that was def a scam

[wild timber]

nope im not american

[shadow moss]

What Country?

[wild timber]

nepal

[shadow moss]

No clue then

[delicate bane]

do people keep track of the jobs/internships they apply to?

or do they just send a resume and move on to the next one

what if you end up applying to a place twice. thats one of my nightmares

[sharp oar]

Where should i start learning algorithmic coding?

[golden tundra]

I remember most of the places I apply to without having to keep a formal list

If only because most of the applications are a pain

And if I don’t remember

I can just check my email to see if I got a confirmation about applying to a certain org

If I didn’t, it’s safe to assume I didn’t apply

[delicate bane]

makes sense

[normal stream]

where did you guys studyand what?

[median yacht]

Spain, aeronautics 😉

[honest burrow]

I'm 13, im pretty good at python and I wanna make a quick buck or 2. Any option?

(please tag me if responding)

[delicate hatch]

make a game.

and sell it to app store and google play or something.

I have a question though.

how much python do you have to know to make money?

my mom says 10,000 lines of code.

[honest burrow]

hmmm i have plenty experience with all basics and some libraries (asyncio, discord.py etc etc) tho i should mention that i am a bit lacking in gui stuff

[delicate hatch]

yeah

can you make a bot in python?

[honest burrow]

yes

[delicate hatch]

discord server bot?

[honest burrow]

yes

[delicate hatch]

cool

I want to make a bot for my server.

[honest burrow]

im listening

[delicate hatch]

you know

to moderate spam.

nothing too complicated.

[honest burrow]

sure yes

[delicate hatch]

ok

[honest burrow]

move to dm's?

[delicate hatch]

how to insert a bot code?

[honest burrow]

wdym?

like pair a bot with an account?

[delicate hatch]

yeah

[honest burrow]

you log in to discord dev portal, create a bot and take the token, and use it in your code

[delicate hatch]

dev portal?

[honest burrow]

yes

[delicate hatch]

ok

is it this thing?

[honest burrow]

yes

you should probably move this convo to dm's

[delicate hatch]

ok

I don't get it.

[honest burrow]

whhat?

[delicate hatch]

I don't get how to make a bot.

[honest burrow]

thats a first world problem fren

[warm perch]

tables from db to pdf with flask

[delicate hatch]

yea it is.

!wumpus

!ping

[inner wren]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[delicate hatch]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

_("/)_/

bruh

[honest burrow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[static osprey]

wazap

[vapid jay]

is it ok if someone else who spends 0 time developing take all credit for work?

like acts as if they made it, and doesn't mention the person who actually make it

[vapid jay]

no

trash like dat dosen deserve to exist

[flat pawn]

Hey, general question for freelancers/the like: what's your general practice when it comes to reusing code and snippets between clients and unrelated projects?

Do you have a secret, local library frrom which you copy relevant snippets into projects?
Do you store useful algorithms in a public repo and import relevant submodules through pypi/github/whatever?
Do you choose to reinvent the wheel for each client?

I'm looking to get a feel for Good Practice™ and the principles used by seasoned freelancers.

[dense mesa]

That's plagiarism in academia and theft of intellectual property in industry, wouldn't recommend doing it

[vapid jay]

well i am the developer i made everything, put all the work in. and the manager takes all the credit for it. to everyone says they made it 😅

so what i can do about this?

[delicate bane]

yikes

[slim violet]

that's what managers are for, fronting. Put your signature on the code and be proud. If you think it's handled wrong, find another manager.

If your manager wants to take credit from your work, it's legit good work.

[slim violet]

also, if your manager wants you to sign legal documents, don't.

[near ocean]

Why would a manager claim to have written other people's code

Feel like someone is misunderstanding something here

[vapid jay]

Hi,
I hope this is the right channel for this question. Is there any good meetups happening in new york city for people interested in Data Science with Python?
Thanks

[delicate bane]

i heard theres an R conference there soon but i think its virtual now

also they have many subgroups focused on python and julia, etc. attending

[dense mesa]

Chain of command

[near ocean]

thats not what managers generally do tho, it's gonna be glaringly obvious he's trynna steal credit

[dense mesa]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[delicate bane]

i think its a cultural difference too. youll get dif answers in dif places

~~people do it in academia too ~~

[near ocean]

if youre unhappy theres really only one thing to do, go to your manager's direct superior

[jolly furnace]

i WaNt To TaLK tO yOUr MAnaGEr

[woven pollen]

Hi, not sure where to ask this question. I made a Naive Bayes Classifier as a project for my AI class back in the summer, I was new to python and I did all the of the code in one file with no classes. I'm now a new grad and would like to show this project on my resume, how important is refactoring and splitting the code into classes etc?

[golden tundra]

Would you be putting it on Github?

If so, I think you should refactor it

If someone looks at your code, you want it to show you at your best

Someone who sees unrefined code doesn’t know if you can refactor and are choosing not to or you just don’t know how

And an important thing in professional coding is reading others’ code and them reading yours

So readability of code is important

You want to show you know how to write readable code

[swift veldt]

you don't necessarily need classes when implementing simple ML algorithms.

comments however.

Those are really important

[golden tundra]

I agree that you don’t necessarily need classes, but I get the impression that this code may not be well organized, and it’s worth organizing

As a side though, if you’re going to be applying for work where you’d be doing object oriented programming, you might as well show you know how to do OOP

If you’re not, then just make sure it’s clean and organized

[swift veldt]

If you implemented a NaiveBayes using Sklearn, I don't think you'll need to refactor your code using classes. It'd be overkill. If you did the NB from scratch, however, then thinking about classes will be interesting, even beneficial for you.

[golden tundra]

As a side note, though, bluntly, I don’t think recruiters find school projects that compelling as code examples

Since everyone in the class is required to do them

I cited them occasionally when asked about challenging projects I worked on in internship/new grad job interviews, but I didn’t put them on my resume

They’re not very eye catching, generally

If you’re applying for CS jobs, by all means, put it there, but if you have more unique examples of your work, I think that would benefit you more

[full maple]

https://en.unesco.org/creativity/sites/creativity/files/cv_wiesand.pdf
any feedback?

[dense mesa]

@full maple is that your CV?

[swift veldt]

This is a #career-advice, sir.

[fading kite]

Ah yes it appears to be

[jolly furnace]

press x to doubt

doubt this person is a boomer

education starting from 1965

[near ocean]

I dont like the section headings(?) on the left side, they repeat too much

[jolly furnace]

lmao the dude ripped the cv off of someone

no way that dude actually went to uni in 1965

[near ocean]

DRY is a core principle, what would people think if youre ignoring it for your cv

The guy never actually said it was his

He just asked for feedback

[jolly furnace]

seems some dude mentioned it

[near ocean]

Maybe he wants to improve on the template

[jolly furnace]

as yes it appears to be

[delicate bane]

keep in mind CV for industry versus academia has a different flavor

aka the longer and more long-winded = academic CV

this one is more of an academic one imo

also its for like a liberal arts college

we need an example of like...

the opposite

industry + engineering/science

speaking of

i need to work on mine

anyone have any good examples

/templates

[delicate bane]

[delicate bane]

no the one you need is the traditional old school template

you know what im talking about

well not this one

i just thought this one was interesting

mainly design wise

"life philosophy"

[dreamy viper]

Damn

[vapid jay]

hello

i hv a ques

i want to try app dev with py

wat module shud i use

[delicate bane]

#web-development

[woeful maple]

is it true than i can make a app with python?

[long tiger]

Hi everyone, i am curious about Machine Learning, if there is anyone here currently in a Data Science position id very much like to know a few things....

What attracted you to being a Data Scientist?
What sort of duties do you regularly perform?
Is Python your primary programming language while doing the above duties?
How long have you been in the role?

Ive been thinking of a career change and i like to have all the data to make an informed decision. Please tag me when replying so i see it. thanks!

[woeful maple]

python is my favourite language

https://tenor.com/view/python-powered-logo-programming-language-gif-16957606

is it true than i can make a app with python?

[vapid jay]

yes but its easier with java

[swift veldt]

not a fan of the two columns template

[dense mesa]

@delicate bane make your resume in LaTeX

Two column resumes are just not good

@long tiger a lot of data science is just SQL and systems architecture

You need to be good at stats and python

[long tiger]

im a Network Engineer so i know a bit about those but Python i am still learning.

[dense mesa]

Depends how good you are and what you've done

[fallow osprey]

Do u guys give us projects

[dense mesa]

@fallow osprey

!kindling

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[fallow osprey]

Can u please give me link

[fallow osprey]

Ok you have already sent

Bad

[dense mesa]

Bad?

[fallow osprey]

My bad

@dense mesa can u please resend

Link

I am unable to click it

If I have doubt can I ask you

I know basics and I am learning classes and objects will it be okay as I am in 10th standard so I am getting less time for coding

[dense mesa]

!kindling

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[fair hatch]

hello

[vapid jay]

Will i forget most of the stuff ive learnt in programming in general after the army?(thats 14 months of barely any programming), i want to do AI btw.

[dense mesa]

Didn't you ask this before

You'll forget some stuff but you'll pick it up again very quickly

[spring tangle]

I guess if you can on your phone or something try review certain things

Just so you retain it

If you're allowed to use technology that is

[crystal osprey]

hey, im new to python but im enjoying learning about it. how much do i need to know before I can seek out work? 🤔

[boreal quail]

Idk

[dense mesa]

That's very subjective

You could learn the basics and help people learn for money

If you wanted freelancer work, you'd need more experience

A full time job, much more

[near ocean]

Learn basics, a couple frameworks and then grind some interview questions

[celest hill]

hey im also pretty new to python, is there any way to reach out to somebody like a mentor?

[crystal osprey]

Oh thank you, I'll look into how to do that

[halcyon edge]

Hey! Does any one know best sites to learn data science?

[delicate bane]

data science is a big field

[near ocean]

kaggle

[delicate bane]

my favorite data science guy. has a lot of good tips/tutorials https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCV8e2g4IWQqK71bbzGDEI4Q

[halcyon edge]

Thanks. Will take a look

[delicate bane]

np theres even this playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLtqF5YXg7GLlHv-pD8PVu6NFqjwG-_U-s

[elfin swallow]

Hey i'm graduating this spring with a bachelor's in mathematics, i've done the 2 initial compsci courses offered by my college, as well as taken computational mathematics which is coding solutions to solve mathematical problems. I have done some research for a class on neural networks. That's basically all my background for computer science. I've decided I want to try and get a job in the field. I've been doing mostly leet code problems to prepare. What else do I need to do/learn in order to become a viable candidate?

[pulsar tiger]

is any good sites for python security

[delicate bane]

look into data science; easy to get into the field even if youre a non-cs major

[eternal ice]

Hello Guys

[delicate bane]

guy in the link started out as a biologist at first

[eternal ice]

am.....................hello?

[delicate bane]

if you want to do actual SWE, id ask a senior person with actual experience lol

hello, if you want to chat #python-discussion

[lethal spoke]

@elfin swallow Have you considered doing a CS masters?

[golden tundra]

One of my coworkers was a mech e major originally and another is an electrical engineer. I think it all depends on what company you apply to. Some expect a higher level of programming from the start and others are okay with you learning on the job

[edgy fossil]

what does import in python do

[golden tundra]

It lets you use Python code written elsewhere in your file

[vapid jay]

can u make a eg:

[digital fjord]

!warn @vapid jay do not post off topic videos into topical channels

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @vapid jay.

[sonic token]

Umm.. I need help.. Its just that I haven't been programming in a while now, and by that I mean like a month or two, it's just this BIG program im working on and now I literally forgot what the variables and other stuff does, plus I forgot what I was trying to add into my (till now non-functioning program). Any advice will be appreciated🙂

[pine patio]

that be a bit offtopic here?

[sonic token]

soo anywhere that ii can get advice i guess

[chrome salmon]

Hey I'm I've finished my first 2 starter projects in python and was worndering what other self taught programmers resumes look like. Just want to see so I can set some structure in what I need to accomplish so I know when I am job ready. Thank you

[fair hatch]

he’s like 90 HAHAHHA

[delicate bane]

how do we feel about product management

[sterile vault]

How to make a good scripting/data processing portfolio project from an actual project? Esp if you want to showcase your skills to a non-technical person?

I feel that ones I do solve a very particular problem, do not need complex architecture because they are very narrow and the output is usually "csv file appears in certain folder after I call it from CLI"

[delicate bane]

wdym? sounds more like data wrangling

what i see on DS portfolios tend to be end-to-end projects

like this guys' https://jameskle.com/data-portfolio @sterile vault

[sterile vault]

Yeah, but I don't do ML (at least yet)

[delicate bane]

its easy to pick up

its almost expected now in many DS positions

(at least the basics are)

(maybe not deep learning)

[sterile vault]

But thanks for the link!

[delicate bane]

np

you can easily browse it

[sterile vault]

model.fit() goes brrrr

[delicate bane]

and get a sense

brrr

ive heard a lot of what DS is is also data storytelling

since you have to be able to get buy in form other people

so being able to present data well in multiple formats (presentation, written, oral, etc.) is important

[sterile vault]

Data visualisation should be useful for conveying results in impressive way.
I can do a couple of charts in matplotlib, but I'm yet to do actual projects.

[delicate bane]

at least thats what these professionals say #career-advice message

[sterile vault]

Maybe just copy something from r/dataisbeautiful

[delicate bane]

thats a nice subreddit

[sterile vault]

I'm having a hard time picking up a good dataset with lots of "stories" to tell, a lot of popular ones on kaggle (like the irises one) is much better as ML fuel than example for traditional stats.

[delicate bane]

ye

this one isnt bad

http://archive.ics.uci.edu/ml/index.php

but also its ML focused

i think you shouldnt exclude it just bc its ML focused

esp bc ML is an important skillset for DS nowadays

[slim oak]

;o

[sterile vault]

Github survey should be a good one, with stuff like "are pythonists more satisfied with management than C++ programmers?"

[delicate bane]

theyll at least expect you to know about the top 3 models

regression, clustering, and forest

[sterile vault]

I'm currently fishing for freelance tasks, rather than finding the open position.

[delicate bane]

oh gotcha

they have DS freelancers too

but you tend to be tied to certain consulting groups

[sterile vault]

But I really need to appear more presentable as a developer. Basically, appear more like a consultant rather than a script kiddie working for food.
Yeah, I find lots of nice easy tasks. Skipping them for now, but good potential leads.

Even if my skillset is closer to second type. Gaining experience takes time.

But making the portfolio more visual with thematic images, like the one you linked wouldn't hurt.

[delicate bane]

definitely. data storytelling is a soft skill. good luck dude

[sterile vault]

Thanks!

[broken bane]

What's the average pay per h for mid python dev in your country ? In dollars/eur

[vapid jay]

yeah around $180,000 @broken bane

[crude remnant]

i have an amazon interview in next week for SDE, any thoughts ?

[delicate bane]

memorize the leetcode

jk...

[dense mesa]

Do you need help preparing?

[vapid jay]

i feel i am good enough to make a custom discord bot , where do i go look for people?

[fossil mist]

@vapid jay probably not the correct channel, but use github show of your work

[vapid jay]

?

i mean i want to make custom discord bot for peoples servers, and get paid

freelance

where do i look

[left pulsar]

Hello, everyone. I'm new in this discord channal

[vernal turret]

Look up Amazon Leadership Principles Interview Questions

There's a ton, there is some strategy involved, almost every employee is asked those in interview. Atleast glance at those to keep them in the back of your head.

[young smelt]

Oh hi buddie

[formal spade]

hello all

@young smelt no love in here

[young smelt]

hi

@formal spade

[formal spade]

@young smelt you work here

[young smelt]

where

[formal spade]

careers, this your street corner

[young smelt]

no lol

[formal spade]

😆

@young smelt i watched 2 courses on scraping, guessing mainly is to just start coding and see where i make errors and correct them

but sometimes you can get lost in that rabbit hoel for awhile

[young smelt]

h k what did you gained from that?

[formal spade]

I understand how to get links, and absolute and relative

[young smelt]

and

[formal spade]

guessing the structure

[young smelt]

have you built something form your knowledge?

[formal spade]

is where im going to run into errors

no nothing yet

not in python that is

i was in the process of doing a reverse malware engineering course

[young smelt]

ohk

cool

[formal spade]

and the bastards got loose

and released all his buddies

[young smelt]

I am in class 7th I can't guide you much in your career

[formal spade]

it was a battle and i lost

[young smelt]

But I will try my best

[formal spade]

class 7th?

[young smelt]

yes

[formal spade]

what does that mean

[young smelt]

lol

I am in grade 7th

[formal spade]

ok, i thought you meant there was classes or cohorts going on here

[young smelt]

no did you get what I am trynna say?

[formal spade]

that you are 12 years old

[young smelt]

15 years old

[formal spade]

what

what country

[young smelt]

India

lol

[formal spade]

my son is about to be 16 and in the 10th grade

[young smelt]

ohk cool

What country do you live?

[formal spade]

USA

[young smelt]

cool how old are you

[formal spade]

50

[young smelt]

ahah np

[formal spade]

early retirement from the military and now almost done with my BS in Computer Science

and mentor red team and OSCP students

[young smelt]

oh cool

[raw cape]

test

[vapid jay]

hi

[tulip cedar]

anyone knows about WSB?

[dense mesa]

That better not be wallstreetbets lol

[crude crown]

most likely it is

[supple quartz]

How do I gain real world experience in developing with python?
I think I should do something other than doing my twitter bots and playing around with codewars
I started coding 9 months ago
I'm hoping to use this skill to start freelancing and not just as a hobby anymore

[swift veldt]

Building a portfolio, which you seem to already be doing, is the best thing you can do.

if you want more hands-on work. Look around fields/industries you like. Pick a recurring topic that has an issue to solve. Try hacking at it.

and have fun along the way.

[supple quartz]

I'm actually interested in WebDev as BackEnd , I also want Machine Learning but the math is a bit complex and lacking time to study because I still have to study for my school works

[swift veldt]

I don't know much about backend, tbh.

But picking a neat project and pulling through with usable, presentable code is a big plus.

[lime helm]

Same

[supple quartz]

I wish to collaborate with others to see how the pros do the real work or developing with friends so it's more fun but seems like my friends are not into coding

[lime helm]

Same

[swift veldt]

ML is also a very large topic with many different implementations. It's not just Deep Learning. So depending on what you want to achieve, it might not be as much of an effort as you'd think.

[supple quartz]

may I ask what your specialty is?

[swift veldt]

studying towards a MSc in Data Science + 4 years in the finance industry (non-tech side).

[supple quartz]

want to do some project then? HAHA

[lime helm]

TBH yeah, am in the middle of the fundamentals. I have a basic understanding of how they work but It like i just don't know how to implement them

[supple quartz]

so what do you want to work on??

learning together is fun to be honest

[lime helm]

Am not exactly sure. But I want to implement all I have learned so I know exactly what i am doing.

The only project I have done so far is to make a choice game with the; if/elif/else statements

And it has a tiny prob that I just can't wrap my head around

[supple quartz]

try searching the web if you're stucked

[lime helm]

Definitely

[supple quartz]

stackoverflow is a goodplace

[lime helm]

My plan for the next two weeks is to watch a playlist I have about the fundamentals and practice them until I fully understand them

[lime helm]

I will check it out

[supple quartz]

I've done a twitter bot to automate some things for me like liking all the post of my crush lol
and I've made a script to autofarm one of my game

[lime helm]

I also find that watching a tutorial on how to make a basic game help me understand some parts clearer. this is how I was able to make that choice game on my own

[supple quartz]

try messing around in codewars that is where I trained

[supple quartz]

I also see lots of one line code there

I don't want to mess with money lol

[dense mesa]

You won't be

[supple quartz]

ohh I see.. I'll look into that next time but I want to do a blog site right now so I can post what I'm learning so I can look back into it
that's why I'm trying to study flask rn

[dense mesa]

You can use Jekyll

[lime helm]

Same

[supple quartz]

isn't it on ruby?

[dense mesa]

You don't interact with money if you're doing algotrading

[dense mesa]

https://www.fullstackpython.com/static-site-generator.html

[supple quartz]

web apps is better than native apps I think since it's flexible but sometimes annoying

[lime helm]

Whats the subfeild for robotics called?

[dense mesa]

It depends which "subfield", maybe mechatronics or control systems

There are too many sections to robotics, you need to specify

[lime helm]

lol i think I might find them both interesting

hmmmm

[dense mesa]

For mechatronics you need to understand mechanics, electronics, electrical systems and their interactions

[supple quartz]

is it better than flask??

[dense mesa]

For control systems you need control theory

[lime helm]

control system is basically programming the machine how to think?

[dense mesa]

It depends on your needs and requirements

[dense mesa]

No

[supple quartz]

if you want to start robotics try having an arduino

[lime helm]

Explain away

[lime helm]

Yeah am gonna order one soon

[dense mesa]

It's about taking measurements and effecting control onto a system so it gives a response that you want it to

[supple quartz]

well I'll just go with flask it's more popular so more tutorials available

[dense mesa]

Control is about retaining a stable output for any given input, any noise, any unexpected shunts

[lime helm]

I think I would do them both and skip the web stuff.....idk

[dense mesa]

Web stuff?

I don't understand what mechatronics and control have to do with web development

[supple quartz]

I actually did robotics before using Lego EV3 but I don't have the concepts of programming before that's why I suck

[lime helm]

I found web dev to be interesting but I did want to get it cluttered with what i wanna do

thats why i said skip that an do mechatronics and control systems

[dense mesa]

Again, I don't understand why web development is related to robotics and how it would get "cluttered"

[dense mesa]

You wouldn't just be using python then

[lime helm]

didn't

[dense mesa]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUMWjy5jgHK1NC52DXXrriwihVrYZKqjk

[supple quartz]

should I start studying data structures and algorithms first or I sould start doing real world projects?

[dense mesa]

Get a surface level understanding of DS&A, then do projects

For projects that need further refinement, learn whatever is necessary

[supple quartz]

copy that

[dense mesa]

Theres a reason robotics is usually a 3rd year module

[burnt tiger]

A mix of both is certainly good. I found that I personally benefited a lot from going over a specific DS or algo and then writing a small app to practically use it similar to how it might be used in the real world, or finding a relevant code challenge on a site like codewars. If you're looking for a decent DS&A resource, I'd recommend MIT's free online course: https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-006-introduction-to-algorithms-fall-2011/. Lectures and resources are all included, and it uses Python for all of the code examples.

[lavish phoenix]

HEY! My skilled python developer friend needs a bud to help him with python. He is capable of coding by himself he just says a buddy that could help him would be amazing. So if any skilled programmer is up for it dm me please.

[dense mesa]

Lemme guess, the skilled programmer gets 50% ?

[lavish phoenix]

its not paid?

he just needs a friend#

[swift veldt]

ngl, your message reads like a phishing attempt.

if your friend is a skilled programmer, they can come here themselves.

[dense mesa]

^^

[lavish phoenix]

his name is redstar

hes in the server

[dense mesa]

@lavish phoenix if they're capable of developing in python, they're capable of joining a discord server

[lavish phoenix]

they are in the server

[dense mesa]

@lavish phoenix ping them

[lavish phoenix]

ok

@compact wharf

[lavish phoenix]

i have

[fleet marten]

I got one of them google challenges, and I was stumped, and then I had an epiphany when I saw fib and binary, and I think they are key to my solution, onward I code!

But why do they use Python2?

[granite gust]

Hi guys I was wondering if learning powershell was a good idea or not ? I'm just starting with python but found a training in powershell... what's the utility ?

[pulsar drum]

If you just started learning Python then stick to it. Don't spread yourself out too thin.

PowerShell may be useful if you want to be a Windows sysadmin or work in devops.

[fleet marten]

I agree, focus on Python for now

[near ocean]

if youre on windows youre gonna have to learn some powershell eventually

[granite gust]

Thank you all. I'll stick to python then ! good luck in your coding

[delicate bane]

that snake is cute

[slim quiver]

Hello, what is a good platform for learning python3?

[dense mesa]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[slim quiver]

ah thnx

[celest verge]

Has anyone completed the MitX python course? I did a while ago, and want to continue advancing but am not quite sure where to next.

I noticed it was listed second on the resources for learning so i assume someone here must have

[delicate bane]

[delicate bane]

@celest verge you did the second part too?

https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-computational-thinking-and-data-4

bc it covers some good topics, esp if youre considering data science

[celest verge]

Nah

Cause it doesn't work rn

Not sure why

[delicate bane]

oh

it says it hasnt started yet

dunno

id go and do some small projects if i were you

i think people learn best when they do projects

fail, look stuff up, improve, etc.

rinse repeat

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[celest verge]

Sick

This is my first public server and the bots are super cool

[delicate bane]

[celest verge]

Thanks for the help

[delicate bane]

np

ye the bots are very well made

you should see them when they help execute the code

[delicate bane]

interesting forecasts

source: https://www.weforum.org/reports/the-future-of-jobs-report-2020/in-full/chapter-2-forecasts-for-labour-market-evolution-in-2020-2025#2-2-emerging-and-declining-jobs

oh they expect python developer jobs to rank higher?

[vapid jay]

machine learning ai (security?) etc

[fleet scroll]

Hello, i'm William i only know the basics of coding i really want to learn more and become a really good at coding i need a mentor that is willing to teach me please dm me if you want to be my mentor/teacher

[delicate bane]

people usually use python for security?

i know cybersecurity is exploding rn

[vapid jay]

its usable but most people use javascript or c

[delicate bane]

[celest hill]

hey I'm currently a student and before I make any decisions I want to ask anybody if its possible landing a job with a system admin certificate

reason being is that I'm not too skilled in software skills but I am better at hardware actions

python doesn't feel like my strong suit

[dense mesa]

What have you tried applying for

That's an extremely general and subjective question

It depends on your location, your skills, what position you want to enter in and so on

[crude crown]

more often than not, these reports are fake and their intention is to dilute the labor market of specific fields.

@celest hill with a sysadmin certificate I can imagine that it would be a foot in a SRE/DevOps kind of role.

which is a good field to get into for sure, it's not overhyped, it's one of the better paying roles in the software industry.

[celest hill]

@dense mesa yeah I can understand that, im pretty new to this discord so im getting used to chatting here. I haven't tried applying yet because I need to take this career assessment tomorrow to help point me in a good direction for my career path. @crude crown I see, I will look into that field and read about it when I can. Thank you both

[ocean ledge]

no software skills is dead-in-the-water for most devops/SRE roles

certificates often don't mean anything

except maybe in base IT roles

[fleet marten]

Anyone else complete the Google coding challenges?

I finished my 3rd one, wondering how hard they get

[vapid jay]

i was on 1 programming event, i dunno but i was on the top of list

[delicate bane]

@celest hill you thought about getting one of the cloud certificates? i heard those are pretty popular

[umbral spruce]

Pink day for python

[rain axle]

aight

lemme spam real quick

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @rain axle until 2021-02-01 02:10 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 4 duplicated messages in 10s).

[terse finch]

freelance probably

[rain axle]

what job is available for a 46 year old python beginner?

[ocean ledge]

define intermediate python knowledge

[near ocean]

Employing a minor is more paperwork than its worth, maybe you can find some freelance jobs online

[delicate bane]

youre better off learning more python

[near ocean]

You can try fiverr, upwork

[delicate bane]

gl

[sweet plume]

hi

[celest hill]

yes I have

[spice musk]

There’s only one way. You need to make time for it yourself, because you can’t buy time. You also need to know what’s more important for you where you are currently now (uni work, or side projects), and prioritise that.
It’s the same when you start working/have a family and want to do projects on the side. Make a timetable and stick to it. Or wake up early if you have to. At uni what I found easy was to only do university related work between the hours 9-6, 5 days a week. This way you have your evenings and weekends free to do whatever you like.

[pulsar gyro]

What should i learn after learning Python? I've completed advanced-intermediate course in python, I've made some projects as well and i think I'm really confident in the language, only task is to explore and understand Different important libraries out there.

But I've been also wondering to learn AI & ML. And i was wondering what should i learn first 🤔, I'm aware it'll require good knowledge of linear algebra and statistics, and being an Applied Maths undergrad, i think I'm comfortable in those areas.

But i was wondering where should i start? There are way too Many options , both for Ml and AI. And i was wondering should i learn AI before or vice versa?

Personally I'd love to take a course in AI, because I'm very interested in AI..but idk if i should be comfortable in ML First before attempting that.

And any python libraries i should be comfortable at for learning AI??

[vapid jay]

@vapid jay 😉

[swift veldt]

It depends on what you want to do really. Getting into knowing Python well is great. If you want a cool talk on some python shenanigans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lmCu8wz8ro

[gusty quest]

Hi everyone,
I am a second year university student and I possess knowledge of intermediate python and some data science libraries. I'm having difficulty finding internships in data science so what other jobs should be available to me?

[buoyant raft]

are you looking for student jobs?

@gusty quest ? I don't know the english word for werkstudent but in germany we have those jobs that students do, often offtopic from what they do in university. Like, still CS related, but often not immediately data science related, maybe

[halcyon spoke]

I will be joining a company as an SDE in May, as a new grad. Can anyone suggest me on what skills should I practice in the mean time that will come handy ? The team hasn't been finalized yet, so yeah I'm open to learn pretty much anything at the moment.

[onyx gate]

Hey, i kinda want a job that using only python to do the job. Is there any jobs that most likely like that?

[buoyant raft]

idk if it is a good idea to only know python, you should spread out your skills as much as possible and i don't think there are many positions where you ONLY need python, most probably will need at least base knowledge of other langs

[gusty quest]

Yes. I am part of a co-op program at my university (or student internship)

[gusty quest]

Yea that's what I am looking for but the qualifications required on most job postings require specializations lol

[buoyant raft]

internships aren't paid, are they?

[onyx gate]

any advice to find this one ?

[gusty quest]

Ig most of them are.

[buoyant raft]

idk how stuff works in the us lmao

but i'd check indeed

[gusty quest]

Well it's still pretty harsh right now with many companies not hiring

[buoyant raft]

on indeed you can look for internships only

companys that aren't hiring interns wont publish intern positions on indeed i'd say

there are also a lot of remote positions

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=computer science&l=Bellevue%2C WA&jt=internship&taxo1=8GQeqOBVSO2eVhu55t0BMg&vjk=55d88246880d8ab2

https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=computer science&jt=internship&taxo1=8GQeqOBVSO2eVhu55t0BMg&remotejob=032b3046-06a3-4876-8dfd-474eb5e7ed11

this for example is only remote ones, idk i am sure you can find some, unless you lack skills, then you obviously won't find any

[soft remnant]

the Englsish word for werkstudent is internship, and, while they are generally paid stateside, one's paid a fraction of what a full-time employee is and for a few months only

[craggy wave]

Is that a Flemish definition or a definition from the Netherlands of the word, @soft remnant?

"werkstudent" is used a lot for promoting regular student/youth sidejobs here in The Netherlands

Basically, there are entire companies built around the concept of providing sidejobs (with a normal salary for a sidejob) for students here

And they call that "werkstudent", not in an internship sense

[soft remnant]

are they paid in the Netherlands, @craggy wave ?

[craggy wave]

It's just a normal "bijbaantje"; it just means it's a student from HBO/Universiteit typically that you're hiring

It's unrelated to an official internship from your uni/education

Which may or may not be paid here (internship, not a "bijbaantje")

We call an internship a "stage" and the student doing an internship is called a "stagiair"

It's interesting, if I google "werkstudent" and I go to .nl websites, it's just a paid sidejob but for students (HBO/WO). If I go to international websites, it's typically for internships.

The term "werkstudent" isn't really used here that often and, if it is, it's just for a regular sidejob, not an internship

[gusty quest]

Thank you @buoyant raft. But I'm currently in Canada and I have gone through indeed and applied for what I can

[mellow crest]

hey I wanna be a digital nomad any advises ??

[vapid jay]

whats python

sounds like a snake

[vapid jay]

Any favorite tools / resources for Python coding towards machine learning and neural networks?

[wise stream]

Matplotlib

[vapid jay]

Spyder?

[jovial lodge]

Hello there, if you maybe looking for an internship/project/work, feel free to check out my and my friends project 🙂
swissdevjobs.ch - tons of jobs from the Python world 🙂

[jolly furnace]

ever been in a position where ur hired as coop student bc the company has no talent in the specific field and a coop student is cheaper than an actual dev with experience in the specific field

cuz i feel like im in this position where im doing stuff where there isnt really anyone with much experience with doing that stuff

[marsh wind]

funny, just like in French

while languages bare little similarities really...

[vapid jay]

The analytics world is often more complicated than companies or individuals think. I tried to summarize some skillsets or possibilities to approach the topic.
https://analyticstranslator.medium.com/the-analytics-translator-the-career-path-of-a-data-scientist-8d1ba9da1ca5

[foggy kernel]

Am I the only one who is always amused when for the sake of being memorable, we decide that each category must have the same number of sub categories?

[delicate bane]

many DS internships are looking for those with work experience or grad students; thats your competition (aka me )

if youre undergrad, maybe look into a Data Analysis or Business Analyst position to start with

[delicate bane]

this was really well done. kudos

a good read that covered many positions/domains

[gusty quest]

Woa woa..

[gusty quest]

Yea I prolly should... But limited jobs in Canada from what I can find😭

[gusty quest]

Isn't this only for Switzerland

[jovial lodge]

It is, but there are some remote jobs as well, and we also have a sister-site for the German market 🙂

[timber lagoon]

where would i find a freelance kinda job that doesnt pay well, just looking to make bear bones money

not looking for full time employment, just freelancing then moving on

[swift veldt]

I had a bot as part of the projects listed on my resume.

but the point wasn't the bot itself but what it could do.

In my case, ML-trained image classifier to detect and classify pictures posted by users.

eh, basically I picked four interesting projects I worked on, including that one.

The goal is less to show that you can cover different topics

but rather that you can use different technologies/frameworks/tech stacks.

so I had 1 webscraping project, 1 postgreSQL project, 1 ML project, 1 data visualization projet.

basically.

[limber rampart]

Yea and it ended up being something the interviewer (now collegue) wanted to talk about during my interview, it was an LSTM chatbot that I had worked on as part of my uni research that could connect to Discord and have 1-on-1 conversations with people. It was also partly trained on a conversational dataset I had built from Discord exchanges where I could get explicit permission from users to use their messages. One of the ideas behind the project was to see whether we could emulate the behaviour of certain users, although getting enough data to do that ended up being a problem, but it was an interesting question to me. Finally, we concluded the project with a Turing-test-inspired evaluation where evaluators had conversations with my bot over DMs, and they didn't know whether they were talking to the actual chatbot or a human agent (in which case the bot was just forming a 'bridge' between two people). At the end they were asked to rate the human-ness of the conversation. Similarly to RoMS' project it was more of an ML research project using Discord as a user interface, but it allowed me to explore some areas that perhaps wouldn't have been possible otherwise. For people that I involved in the project it was clearly very convenient not to have to install any software or even visit a website, they could do it all through Discord.

[near ocean]

I also have a bot on my cv, its not just about the bot, its about showing you can use different technologies

Mine is a musicbot i made with a friend, on the cv i explain that we interacted with the discord api, the spotify api, we used mongoDB, we had unittests for the bot, we had github workflow, we even used docker to containerize it

[ionic ferry]

I made a WOW! App in quarantine, it's a app that generates WOW sound effects, pls try it.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.kodular.itamarpele.BETA6ai

[swift veldt]

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. No spamming or unapproved advertising, including requests for paid work. Open-source projects can be shared with others in #python-general and code reviews can be asked for in a help channel.

[swift veldt]

You've spammed 3 channels 10 minutes ago

[gusty quest]

Yea well thank you

[grizzled tundra]

Much wow

[jolly furnace]

with scraping stuff u should always tone down the amount of async requests per sec cuz some sites think ur trying to do a denial of service

[delicate bane]

look in other countries; many are doing remote internships over the summer - i applied to at least 50 places before getting a couple calls back

[gusty quest]

Well, I tried applying abroad but I'm unfamiliar with the rules... As in do you need a work permit of another country if you are working remotely?

[delicate bane]

honestly...

im not sure

[vapid jay]

hm

nope i cant get a career

[shy flume]

Guys
I am in high school and I have an interview for an unpaid internship at a super tiny startup
How should I prepare?
it is only 30 minutes so I am assuming it wont be technical

[scenic granite]

hello brother can someone help me to dowoad the python because iam new

a link or somthing because i like very much this and just a get a new pc

[jolly charm]

@scenic granite You should be able to get onto the official link right away and installation should be easy. If you have trouble you could search it up on YouTube. Good luck!

[scenic granite]

po python

yes me frinde i found

thanky veery much

recpect from me very much

[bitter barn]

Hi everyone im a complete beginner in python, well just a brief background about myself i'm a licensed pilot completed all the licenses (private,commercial,flight instructor,Airbus A320 rating) due to covid i wanted to switch my career, i have a two part question. 1 is does the OS matter in learning python, 2, how can python be used in AWS thank you 🙂

[jolly furnace]

eh just pick the os that ur most familiar with

[bitter barn]

thank you

[jolly furnace]

in terms of aws like aws has a lot of services

like u can deploy a flask app with elastic beanstalk

or using their ec2 as a vps to run whatever python application u want

basically if u need some sort of cloud service aws probably offers it

[bitter barn]

Noted and thank you! 😄

[uncut grotto]

just found a cool podcast, really good stuff if you want to stay motivated: https://www.codenewbie.org/podcast/how-to-get-that-first-coding-job

[bleak hill]

Where can i find freelance python jobs

[uncut grotto]

google.com

[dull heron]

Or stackoverflow with Adblocker off

[quaint umbra]

You can do freelance on Fiverr. I see that many people there do Python projects

[paper isle]

I am currently persuing MBA in data science. I'm a first year student and looking for internships in India. Any advices?

[slender goblet]

Can anyone suggest some python project for beginners, for portfolio

[rain locust]

This is weird: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/66022377/getting-an-error-when-importing-matplotlib

[vapid jay]

Take Developer Ecosystem Survey by JetBrains
https://t.co/S8US6FsJAQ?amp=1

[true harness]

while amusing, that is not on topic

[urban hedge]

maby he/she wants to become a cat sitting on the toilet all day?

[sudden shadow]

Hello, im 15 and im really interested in becoming a software engineer in the future. Is python good to start with? Does it pay good?

[carmine portal]

yes python is a amazing start

i tried starting off with C# for game development. for me it was a huge mistake. i wasted a few months.

[sudden shadow]

i saw alot of jobs around me needed years of different programming languages and im scared I wont get there

[carmine portal]

are you going to try and study programming at university?

[sudden shadow]

yeah im thinking about it but im a sophomore in highschool and thought maybe it would be cheaper if i started earlier

because im always on my computer when i have freetime

[carmine portal]

the earlier the better!

[sudden shadow]

but when I look up jobs around me most is like c# and javascript, will it still be worth learning python?

[carmine portal]

do you have any programming experience?

[sudden shadow]

nope, I dont have any experience

[carmine portal]

thats web development

[sudden shadow]

ohh I see

do you know a good site to check for jobs around me?

[carmine portal]

doesnt the average usa citizen make $39k a year?

[near ocean]

Sounds low

[long radish]

A massive slice of the jobs are minimum wage, which is only 7 to 8 an hour in some places.

[sudden shadow]

minimum wage is 15$ here

[long radish]

Which comes out to like 16k IF you work 40 hours

[carmine portal]

do web developers really make 90k - 120k a year?

[long radish]

Yeah.

It depends on location though.

[sudden shadow]

i want to do something that pays well and is fun

[long radish]

I made 75k in Arkansas, which is quite rural.

[carmine portal]

wow thats alot

[sudden shadow]

how do you find jobs? is there a certain website that lists multiple

i want to see how much software engineering pays here

[carmine portal]

you shouldnt worry about jobs atm. you still have a long time.

[long radish]

Linkedin, Indeed, Monster, StackOverflow

[carmine portal]

but yes i strongly recommend using python for atleast a few months

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDweq1AryoM

[long radish]

Yeah, you have to develop the skillset for them to actually want you.

[sudden shadow]

im not sure what to do now, web development, software engineering

[long radish]

And also, due to Covid the market is INSANELY competitive right now.

[sudden shadow]

do alot of jobs have you work from home even without covid?

that would be cool having a job from home

[long radish]

That will just take time to see. Around here, most offices are ready to get back to the building.

Most places also pay for experience.

My first internship was 9 an hour, then up to 35k, then 45k, and so on.

[carmine portal]

Ravel if you really tried at it you could learn python relatively fast.

[long radish]

Job hopping was my best raise.

[sudden shadow]

do you think if I learned python other languages would be easier to learn?

[carmine portal]

100%

[sudden shadow]

i feel like I would mix up languages

[long radish]

Learning how to code is one of the most important things.

Proper formatting, clean coding, good practices.

[carmine portal]

python is very beginner friendly. programming languages use the same set of rules but different syntax

[long radish]

Learn data structures and such.

Anybody can google "how to do X in Y"

[carmine portal]

im going to be learning python at school in september. and i want to get as good as possible at it

[long radish]

you have to learn that X exists first.

do some tutorials!

the best advice I can give you is to do something that requires you to have code when you are done.

get your keyboard dirty.

[carmine portal]

i currently have no idea what to make in python. so i just started learning html. im currently learning how i can setup my server using the django framework

[sudden shadow]

can python make websites too?

what can it make

[carmine portal]

python makes anything and everything

mainly because of the amazing community behind it.

[long radish]

https://www.dataquest.io/blog/python-projects-for-beginners/

[sudden shadow]

this looks good

[carmine portal]

150k a year?

[sudden shadow]

whats AWS

[long radish]

See that, 5 years experience and AWS experience.

Amazon Web Services

[sudden shadow]

wow thats in my city, thats alot of money

[long radish]

If you work at it for 5 years, and constantly improve and keep up to date, you can get that.

[sudden shadow]

that would be amazing

[long radish]

Best time to plant that tree is today.

[sudden shadow]

it doesnt say what language i need to know

[long radish]

Some places use multiple

They expect you to be agnostic about it sometimes.

[carmine portal]

@sudden shadow since python can be used for anything. having python experience is amazing on your credit

if you spent a year in python

[sudden shadow]

oh its a fully remote job

[carmine portal]

you will be able to easily learn languges like C# which employers look for

[near ocean]

I dont mean to burst anyone's bubble but the years of experience they list are professional experience

Not personal projects

[sudden shadow]

i tried learning c# like a year ago I remember, it was hard for me

and c++

[carmine portal]

i started off with C# for unity

and i regret it

[long radish]

This is true

[sudden shadow]

what is shopify plus?

[long radish]

Some of these things you just have to google lol

[carmine portal]

its a place to sell stuff right?

yeah so you need to have credit on shopify or something like that im guessing lol

[near ocean]

Its a platform that helps you build online stores

[long radish]

If they ask for very specific tools, that means that they usually want you to hit the ground running and you don't want to have an onboarding process for you to get up to speed

[sudden shadow]

I see, do you guys have any recommendations where to start learning?

[carmine portal]

yes

[near ocean]

Learn what

[long radish]

That site I linked. Pick a super easy project and do it

[carmine portal]

freecodecamp and https://w3schools.com

read on w3schools first. then watch a 4 hour course on freecodecamp

then youll know the basics of python

[long radish]

Pick something super simple to do and use those two resources there to learn how to do it.

[near ocean]

w3schools is garbage and not recommended

Use the resources here

[carmine portal]

how is it garbage?

[near ocean]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[carmine portal]

it teaches you the basics of programming in general

[near ocean]

Theres better resources

Theres a reason the server doesnt recommend it

[long radish]

There you go.

[sudden shadow]

where should I start?

[carmine portal]

learn

[near ocean]

Choose the method you learn from best

Theres books, theres videos

Theres interactive learning sessions

[dark lintel]

Does anyone if it's possible to get a remote entry level job while living in 3rd world? I know C, SQL, Python, numpy,pandas, matplotlib, a little bit of Tensorflow. What kind of projects can I make to stand out?

[sudden shadow]

thanks

oh I enroll for classes

[dark lintel]

?

[hexed zealot]

What is that? What (application?) is that from?

[near ocean]

Resources link above

[hexed zealot]

Ah, thank you

[cerulean cloud]

Greetings everyone and Happy New Year!

I work in Business Development for Jobsity a nearshore staff augmentation company.

I head the Referral Partner Program. Our model is to provide generous compensation to professionals such as yourselves in exchange for quality introductions to their industry peers who hire or looking for developers.

If you have any interest in exploring this concept lets connect further on linkedin

https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-grass-51928290/

[delicate bane]

Happy New Year!
Lunar New Year is in 10 days

[swift veldt]

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. No spamming or unapproved advertising, including requests for paid work. Open-source projects can be shared with others in #python-general and code reviews can be asked for in a help channel.

[swift veldt]

It's possible to find remote work. I know of a Californian start-up employing a few people across the world. What will let you stand out is projects that are in relation with the company's internal tech stack usually.

In this context, targeting techs that are widespread and having working examples / projects at hand would help you tremendously.

[ruby narwhal]

Guys anybody over here can help me with data structures. Means you can suggest me the best course or article for it

[chilly cloak]

hey guys!! just a quick q. does abet-accredition matter? im thinking of doing the OSU post-bacc CS program n it isnt abet accredited

[twilit zealot]

@molten spoke Where can I learn python

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[twilit zealot]

thx

@chrome hamlet thx man, really appreciate the help

👌

[hexed zealot]

I'm new to python, but I design different apps/businesses (Think instagram, uber, amazon, etc.). I'm trying to find other people my age (I'm 17) who have a similar passion/career goal, is there anyone in here who does similar? It doesn't even matter if you don't really know a lot about programming, more about if you come up with ideas and plan them out/design "blueprint" them.

[naive mist]

Is there a specific place here to get help with Tkinter problems? (Sorry, thought I was in #python-discussion)

[deep crypt]

hey

bye

sorry for disturbing

[fallow osprey]

I m 16 @hexed zealot

But I know basics only I m learning advanced course

Is that fine

(In python)

[hexed zealot]

@fallow osprey Hey, that's great. Is it cool if I pm you?

[fallow osprey]

Yes

[rain umbra]

Hi guys! I'm an econ undergrad interested in going into finance. I feel like learning python would be an asset but I have no idea where to start. If anyone else has learned python for any related field I'd be really interested in hearing some advice from you. Thanks

[heavy rapids]

@rain umbra I think you'd find Algorithmic Trading field interesting. Check youtube videos on it.

[unkempt willow]

If you're a teacher, what curriculum would you put for teaching python to your students?
From the begining till advanced

College Students

[hexed zealot]

My python college teacher has us learning from the book "Starting out with Python" by Tony Gaddis, if that's what you're asking