#career-advice | Python | Page 342

vapid jay Apr 29, 2020, 10:15 PM

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thanks 🙂

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idk how good accentuate is tho

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ig well find out

white karma Apr 29, 2020, 10:17 PM

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You can do it

static canyon Apr 29, 2020, 10:33 PM

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so nice

mint pumice Apr 29, 2020, 10:34 PM

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@vapid jay Accentuate is an IT consulting firm, so they usually have big corp clients who need engineering teams on contract, they'll put you on a team with a bunch of other devs and package you up as a team of contractors for some big corp

static canyon Apr 29, 2020, 10:34 PM

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recently everywhere is lay- offing people and freezing hire

mint pumice Apr 29, 2020, 10:34 PM

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It's how a lot of engineers start off

vapid jay Apr 29, 2020, 10:34 PM

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is it bad that im an 11th grader

mint pumice Apr 29, 2020, 10:34 PM

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good opportunity to learn business reqs for software

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no it's great

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even better

vapid jay Apr 29, 2020, 10:35 PM

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oh nice

static canyon Apr 29, 2020, 10:35 PM

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i hope i can get an offer T.T

shadow moss Apr 29, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Egypt, they are just spamming

wind hinge Apr 29, 2020, 10:36 PM

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I hope i can get an offer as well :(

shadow moss Apr 29, 2020, 10:36 PM

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You got email that says let’s talk, nothing else

static canyon Apr 29, 2020, 10:36 PM

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so hard for a job at this time

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im doing algo problem everyday

vapid jay Apr 29, 2020, 10:36 PM

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algoexpert.io

static canyon Apr 29, 2020, 10:36 PM

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it seems endless....

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leetcode

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😭

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dp problem is really .... hard to get

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how's python and djongo ? i mean i am thinking if worth to spend sometime on a project on it

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*about djongo

wind hinge Apr 29, 2020, 11:04 PM

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U mean django?

abstract spindle Apr 29, 2020, 11:27 PM

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11th grade

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god im old

shadow moss Apr 29, 2020, 11:33 PM

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whatever youngin

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I finished college before iPhone was released

white karma Apr 29, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Yeah well my dad works for Nintendo

stable canopy Apr 29, 2020, 11:50 PM

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I'm a previous freelance developer with old experience in damn near everything and more recent hobbyist experience in Python, C#, Ruby, Java and most of the popular frameworks/stacks. My path forked into a career in facilities management that has been successful yet turned fairly stale, and I'm wondering what the climate is currently like for onboarding. Assuming I can write a decent resume, anyone care to take a gander at my github to tell me if I'm way off the beaten path or not as far as what a company many be looking to hire as a Dev 2+?

vapid jay Apr 29, 2020, 11:51 PM

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ill take a look @stable canopy

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i don't have enough industry experience to make a fair judgement, but ill let u know what i think

stable canopy Apr 30, 2020, 12:01 AM

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that's all i'm looking for, really.

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I've kind of kept with school (BS:CS) on and off throughout my other career for the GI Bill benefits and now that I'm ~90% done I still feel like I have a much more solid understanding of the broader ecosystem of dev - but really not too sure.

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I've met people at bars previously that just after a conversation have said they thought I should look into going to some meetups (you know, back in the day when we did those things)

stable canopy Apr 30, 2020, 12:22 AM

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pm'd

gleaming scroll Apr 30, 2020, 12:24 AM

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hey so i just graduated with a biology degree with not a lot of CS experience but i want to get into computational biology and bioinformatics, and i've taken a little bit of python intro but where should i go from here? anyone in this field have tips?

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from what i can tell so far, its a lot of scripting, database interactions, working with text files, and a little bit of linux interactions

ancient rune Apr 30, 2020, 12:45 AM

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not in that field, but I would imagine you need a strong background in data science and stats if you want to do bioinformatics

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someone feel free to correct me if I am wrong

mint pumice Apr 30, 2020, 12:51 AM

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@gleaming scroll computational biology is a whole discipline in and of itself. It was offered as a discipline of CS when I went to college

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So maybe look at some open online courses for it

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 12:57 AM

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@white karma yeah well my dad works for microsoft and if u keep talkin shit hes gonna ban ur xbox live account

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i just applied for an entry level sysadmin job at my local hospital which i have an in for because my dad works there and i know the manager of that department but i've worked there previously and i hope i dont see anyone there i know it's gonna be weird working there again

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 1:28 AM

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Hope it works out

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:02 AM

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i just applied for an entry level sysadmin job at my local hospital which i have an in for because my dad works there and i know the manager of that department but i've worked there previously and i hope i dont see anyone there i know it's gonna be weird working there again
@abstract spindle jealous you have your dad works for microsoft lolo

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 2:03 AM

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that was a joke lol

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:03 AM

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U mean django?
@wind hinge ya django im sorry for confusing

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that was a joke lol
@abstract spindle but i really dreaming i had someone work for FLAGS lol

eager river Apr 30, 2020, 2:43 AM

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Should all projects in a portfolio be made without tutorials? Lets say, as an example, that you are making a website for cooking recipes, you look up the recipe that you want to add to your website but don’t know how you actually code the recipe. Is it okay to look up a tutorial on how to do it, if you plan to put the site in your portfolio?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 2:44 AM

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I mean, most interviewers aren’t going to know you used a tutorial, but as long as you have a basic understanding of python or whatever you’re coding in you should be okay to get into junior dev roles

eager river Apr 30, 2020, 2:46 AM

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Ah, okay. In my situation I want to make a visualizer for different pathfinding algorithms. Except, I don’t know how to implement A*. The video I am watching is in a different language, and isn’t implementing it in the same way I am, do you still think that is fine? @abstract spindle

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:47 AM

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i heard that even the course project count into your project s

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Sounds like that’s higher than entry level. You should be able to explain what everything means in the application

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:48 AM

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so doesn't matter if you use tutorial or not

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Sounds like that’s higher than entry level. You should be able to explain what everything means in the application
@abstract spindle true you should know the details

eager river Apr 30, 2020, 2:49 AM

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Ooh, even better. I don’t think I will watch the implementation video. He has a video before that where he explains how A star works, in that he left some links, apparently there are some good articles on it I think I will read those and try to leave out any implementation videos for this project, I am really trying to do this all based on theory, and then leave implementation as the challenge.

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 2:49 AM

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the point is you should be able to explain all your code to an interviewer

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if you have a project and someone asks you about some code and why you did it you should have an answer

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:50 AM

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ya even if you read the implementation is fine as long as you understand them

eager river Apr 30, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Of course. I’ve never implemented something I don’t understand (unless it’s some complex math equation). Which, actually makes me think, it’s totally fine if I don’t understand all of the math in some projects, right?

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:52 AM

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well that depends the math how important to the implementation details ...

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 2:53 AM

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depends on the role you’re applying for

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if the role you’re interviewing for is going to require a lot of math and they actually are dissecting your code, they’re gonna want to ask you about the code you wrote

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i know AI is pretty math based

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:54 AM

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ya for ai there are a lot concepts about math and need to know how to use them

eager river Apr 30, 2020, 2:55 AM

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I’ve actually made custom neural nets before, I took the time to learn the calculus and other stuff for that. It’s things like linear interpolation for camera movement in games, for example, that I don’t take the time to learn.

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:55 AM

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but there's packages that already implement details so just need to know how to use it

eager river Apr 30, 2020, 2:56 AM

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Alright, well thanks for the help guys! 😄

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That actually clears up a lot of things. :D

static canyon Apr 30, 2020, 2:56 AM

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👍

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:32 AM

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i hope that guy doesn’t work there anymore

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 4:22 AM

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i hope that guy doesn’t work there anymore
@abstract spindle who and why?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:26 AM

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@vapid jay i used to work at this hospital a few years ago doing entry level it work. he was the supervisor guy i guess, he was just a massive dick. was a chill guy for a while then one day completely 180 and would get mad over everything. constantly went out of his way to try to get me fired. i was too much of a puss to stand up for myself then. i just hope he doesn’t work there still, i heard he got fired because he’s a piece of shit but i don’t know for certain

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i eventually quit and moved onto greener pastures but i might have another job at the hospital (different department but in the same area) so i just hope he’s not there

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 4:28 AM

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well

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I would chill about it

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whether he's there or not, you can't change it

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so wait until you can find out about it then draw up a plan if he's there or don't if not

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:29 AM

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yeah i’m just bitter and anxious

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i really don’t want to work there again but i’m desperate

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 7:52 AM

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Does anyone here have an IMS/IT degree, how has that worked out for you if so?

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Does anyone here have an IMS/IT degree, how has that worked out for you if so?
ye like dose it help cuz I need to choose a subject next year

frosty laurel Apr 30, 2020, 10:07 AM

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what is an IMS/IT degree?

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:08 AM

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How stable is an IT job ? My family keeps telling me that the job security is a problem with IT jobs. How good is the job security in Tech giants like google, MSFT ?

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:09 AM

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well, one might argue that job security is an illusion

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like in any other industry, you have two common ways out: either the company closes business, either you are let go

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and usually you are let go because some project fails, or some activity gets relocated offshore

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:10 AM

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if you are like my coworker, you could also hit on the bosses wife and see yourself out that way @sick mist

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:10 AM

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so I wouldn't say there is more or less stability in IT than in accounting

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:11 AM

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the worst thing about jobs with tech giants like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, etc is the barrier to entry. people are oftentimes hand selected because, well they can be

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:12 AM

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and usually you are let go because some project fails, or some activity gets relocated offshore
Hmm so there's a lot of stress to accomplish

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:12 AM

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as an example, my wife is an archeologist, I'm in IT, and I feel very privileged not to have to worry about finding work

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I wouldn't say it's harder than in any other "knowledge work" sector

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the up side is that IT is everywhere, so if you can relocate, it's hard to be out of options

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while some jobs require you to be in specific geographical areas (close to a sea, close to a harbour, close to a specific city, ...)

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:15 AM

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if you are like my coworker, you could also hit on the bosses wife and see yourself out that way @sick mist
@rustic charm at least he left on his own terms

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:16 AM

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TL;DR: ask your family what job would be more secure than a job in IT, and then you can compare apple to apple

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:17 AM

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there are few fully secure jobs in the world. And usually those pay quite less 🙂

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:18 AM

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people are oftentimes hand selected because, well they can be
@rustic charm ??

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:20 AM

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so I have to choose a subject next year and it is 5 physics with 5computer science and 5 math or or 10 physics 5 math or 10 computer science 5 math

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which option would work out for a dev career ??

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:21 AM

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google can hand select their employees because they have a massive pool to do so. a startup company or mid-level who doesn't have the luxury of all those candidates can't. tech giants can afford to be very picky when it comes to hiring developers @dire dagger

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@static saffron imma go 10cs, 5math

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:22 AM

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makes sense

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ty

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:23 AM

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math is good for working with different kinds of algorithms and such, but unless you want to go into a specialized field of comp sci, like robotics or what have you, then i don't believe you'll need phys. always good to have it under your belt ofc but unnecessary imo @static saffron

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Yes I've heard that from a friend. He shared his experience with Google

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They picked out 3 from 500 people

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:24 AM

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very picky

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:24 AM

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3:500 wow❕

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:26 AM

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math is good for working with different kinds of algorithms and such, but unless you want to go into a specialized field of comp sci, like robotics or what have you, then i don't believe you'll need phys. always good to have it under your belt ofc but unnecessary imo @static saffron
@rustic charm tbh I like physics more but I love the feeling when u finish a project and you see it work for the first time so im going comp si but what would physics give me within comp si or another field btw 5 math im taking in any way I can just let go of 5 religion (im an atheist so thats welcome 2)

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:27 AM

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@rustic charm how much role does college GPA play ?

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:28 AM

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like i mentioned, physics is only useful in comp sci if you're doing something highly specialized like using i to drive a car or something and overall i value math as more important

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for tech giants or in general?

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:29 AM

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oh ty I didnt get what u typed xd

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:29 AM

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I've heard in IT jobs it doesn't matter if you have a 7.1 or 9 (10 scale)

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Yes for tech giants

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And also in general

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:29 AM

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in my country u get paid a minimum of 23k

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if ur working and ur in collage

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:30 AM

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@static saffron great

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:30 AM

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yes

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but they may drop you after u reach 30 years

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:30 AM

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for tech giants idk personally, never applied to one so i don't want to say.
in general, at least where I am (USA) for IT jobs it doesn't matter. most interviewers look to see that you graduated and not what you graduated with

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:31 AM

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OK by the stream ?

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Like CS, EC

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:32 AM

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like they care that you have a degree in the field they want, not what grades you got while earning it

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:32 AM

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That sounds good

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:32 AM

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oftentimes (again, at least here) if you have the degree and a proof of experience, you have a pretty good shot

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:32 AM

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so if u work in my country while your still in collage you get paid 6,579.58$ as a minimum

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:33 AM

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that doesn't necessarily guarantee you will get it ofc, someone could come along with more experience, better degrees, etc - but its a good starting point

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:34 AM

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but still lets say ur 18 and u start working u have 12 years of steady work then poof its gone thats why I dont like the idea of joining a tech giant

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 10:35 AM

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I'm not sure but I've heard ppl say that they talked about grades in their personal interview, but that's in some other field not related to IT and some other sector

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:36 AM

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maybe in medical or what have you. i've had 3 jobs and dozens of contracts - my grades never came up. just my degree.

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:37 AM

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im still not even 16 and i've been invited to pitch an idea of an Ai system I built at Microsoft after a teacher told a manger there about it but after looking around and finding people who worked there they told me at best I would get dropped of at 45 but idk if that's only in israel where I live or every where

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is that true or did I just get blocked from once in a life time deal?

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btw do intern ships at tech giants help you find a job later on??

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:42 AM

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but why are you so interested in working for a tech giant for many years exactly? 🤔

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what's the problem with moving jobs, many people do it, no?

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if you spend already 10 years in the same company that's quite a streak in this industry

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:43 AM

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I need a steady job as I have many projects going on and I like knowing that my future is secure

but why are you so interested in working for a tech giant for many years exactly? 🤔

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so I didn't lose a chance if I didn't agree cuz I wanted a steady job?

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and is the contract that gives u work for life work in the indstry tenyer something like that I forgot the name

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im sorry for all the questions but I have a chance to get a job a tech giant in a couple of days so...

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:46 AM

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tenure is usually and academic thing

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:46 AM

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ok ty

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:46 AM

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overall in this field it is common for people to switch job place every 2-3 years

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at least when they are still young and want to climb the ladder

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later on when they reach senior level they are more likely to settle down for longer time

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:48 AM

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and I'd be very surprised if any "tech giant" would hire underage people, I think they have to respect labour laws

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Oh ye ofc

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but its like full time

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:49 AM

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I think this what wise old geek means, they won't give you full time job at 16

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:50 AM

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I have ben working on an AI system that is more fluent in answering and has its own data base built into it and my school registered me in a comp that happens online in 5 days and the winner gets to work a part time "job" where they adapt the winning project (by they I mean Microsoft or google)

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:50 AM

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ok so that is different

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:50 AM

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idk

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my first time xd

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:50 AM

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so you should agree imo

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that is an amazing opportunity

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I think

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:51 AM

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ok but I dont want to lose credit over the project I spent years on it

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:51 AM

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what you mean by "lose credit"?

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:51 AM

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I'm sure they will credit you for the idea

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but I'm afraid they'll keep the money they might make out of it

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:52 AM

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like they give me a deal which If I agree 2 they take the copyright

rustic charm Apr 30, 2020, 10:52 AM

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ofc they take the copyright

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:52 AM

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but cant I give em 49% of the project and keep 51%?

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:52 AM

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that's not how copyright works I'm afraid

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:53 AM

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well good thing im asking xd

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btw im less into the money part of the deal

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cuz lets be honest what am I gonna use the money for

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:54 AM

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there are plenty of ways 🙂

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:54 AM

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I'm sure rent and food come high on the list

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:54 AM

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again ima be 16

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so ye

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im 15 rn

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:55 AM

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I mean. If you have an amazing idea which can really change how things work and reshape the field.... You can either try to make a startup out of it and sell it

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:55 AM

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there are more than 4k startup company's in my country alone

sick mist Apr 30, 2020, 10:55 AM

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but you'll need lots of skills aside of tech, that companies like "tech giants" have 😏

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:55 AM

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or you can give the copyright to google/MS, get a chance to work there and potentially shape your future into tech gians world.

But if it will just by lying around

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:55 AM

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ima take the safe rout xd

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:55 AM

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then what use of it

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:56 AM

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I get a reference for a future job

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I will be known for the project

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how do I get some of the money out of the project

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idk how to close deals xc

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 10:57 AM

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in such a setting idk if you can realistcally get a cut on profits for the project. but I am no export so don't take my word for it

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 10:58 AM

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ok ty u guys ur great help!

main hound Apr 30, 2020, 2:07 PM

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so peeps, heyere! two questions.

getting a degree affect chances of landing on a job much? dunno if i should leave after high school or go to college/university
related to question 1, is anything besides school level of algebra/math required for backend developing? i'm practicing it rn, and never run into anything, but maybe more advanced corporate projects require it. i'm awful at math, hehe.

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 2:12 PM

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Is a masters worth in CS ?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Low-level IT has pretty much no job security, one fuck up and you are easily replaceable.

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But that’s the case with every entry level job

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Once you start to move up and stuff and start getting into management you have some more job security

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but the best thing you can do is diversify your income, it’s suicide to only rely on your job

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also a masters degree is only worth it if someone else is paying for it

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Agh. Internship got all but gutted, cut from 10-weeks to 2 ... pretty bummed out

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Kinda accepted it at this point but it still stings, was hoping this summer would be the one for me but I guess not

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 3:39 PM

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That sucks. Depending on what company it is though, there's still a solid chance you can get an employment offer for when you graduate even if it is only 2 weeks

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Maybe, one can hope. It's a pretty large company, I would hope they don't completely screw up their talent pipeline

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:41 PM

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@abstract spindle How do you diversify your income? I've been full time for about 3 years now, only the last year have I made a good amount of money. I've put nearly half of my income each year into my 401k and stocks, is that what you mean?

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But I can't really live on 401k due to the taxes if I were to pull it out

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Stocks I would get wrecked on tax as well, but not as bad

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:42 PM

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@near schooner Buying a rental property, 401k investments + personal robinhood investments (if you know what you’re doing), side business, invest into local businesses maybe if u can

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:43 PM

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@abstract spindle I use robinhood, but I don't trade options, just out right buy stocks

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:44 PM

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The biggest way to diversify income is to have a side business that makes at least a minimum amount that u can live off of

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Employers do not care about you and will fire you without hesitation to protect their bottom line, so be careful

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:44 PM

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I'm trying hard right now to build up my skills even further so I can generate revenue through freelance or something

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I'm at a pretty comfy job and it's really hard to be fired from here (it's mainly a government company, but we're the commercial play)

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But I still want to be protected so I worry about it

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Keep working on it so you can build something on the side. If you don’t want to work that much the other option is to save as much money as physically possible and throw it into a high interest bank account or something like that

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something u can use in the immediate

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Yeah, I have about 3 months of pay saved in a bank

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:45 PM

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good that’s perfect

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no not 3 months

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half way perfect

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:46 PM

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3 months sorry, not 6, I bought a lot of stock when it crashed

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:46 PM

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luckily stocks are liquid so that still counts as savings (as long as when u cash out the stock still has worth)

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:46 PM

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yeah, and save enough for taxes

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:47 PM

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why are u so worried about taxes?

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:47 PM

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I believe if you sell a stock in the short term, you have a higher tax rate applied rather than if you wait at least a year

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Unless you’re trading thousands of dollars its not going to be that much money in capital gains

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Plus if you’re a W2 employee u should usually get some money on your tax return

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that would offset unpaid capital gains taxes

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assuming you’re not trading a metric ton of stock

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and getting metric tons of gains

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:49 PM

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No massive gains since I'm just outright buying stock and not doing options

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I'm buying into dividend stocks atm to get an income from that

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Capital gains taxes only apply to long-term holding right? Otherwise its counted as a part of your income?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:50 PM

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📎 image0.png

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37% is what you’d pay if you are trading metric tons of money

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Oh wow

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:53 PM

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but unless one of you are trading millions your tax rate is going to be lower

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Thanks for all the help Bick. I should explore what kinds of revenue routes python programmers can take for side work.

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Nah, I'm just a poor grad student T_T

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:54 PM

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grad school oof

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i’ve told myself i won’t do it unless someone else is paying for it

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:54 PM

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^^ that's me too

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:55 PM

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cost ≠ return

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I like the academic environment and I figured I only have one life to live, so why not. More of a personal decision than a financial one, I'm enjoying it so far tho

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:55 PM

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No one can take your knowledge away

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and I really miss the academic environment too, I just graduated about 2 years ago

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 3:56 PM

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Same

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:56 PM

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But I've forced myself to build my own academic environment at home

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I do not miss the academic environment at all

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:56 PM

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I just don't feel like I'm progressing without it

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I need to be learning something always

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 3:57 PM

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im still 15 soon 16 but im not sure if I wanna go to grad school so how is it?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:57 PM

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It’s not worth it unless your job requires it or you can make a lot more money with the degree which usually isn’t the case

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but depends on the job you’d like to work of course

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But it doesn’t make getting a job easier because not everyone has a master’s degree, so you will stand out on your resume

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 3:58 PM

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It's nice, it's different in that there's not a lot of hand holding in your classes and you're expected to keep up on your own. Considering doing a thesis at the end or some sort of research

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:59 PM

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I just couldn’t justify the cost of a master’s degree, looking at my local state school my grad degree would cost at least $50,000

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and that’s at my shitty state school, any reputable school will be double that

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 3:59 PM

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My coworkers got them at the age of 35+

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 3:59 PM

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yeah my dad got his at 40

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his work paid for it

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 4:00 PM

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^^ yep

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Yeah, if you can get work to pay for it its a much better deal

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:01 PM

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But I feel like a lot of people who gets their grad degree directly after the bachelors are getting it because all they know is school so instead of entering the work force they just keep going to school

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I know like a lot of int'l students go to grad school since a bachelor's typically isn't enough at home

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:03 PM

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if grad school was free i’d go

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like if college was socialized

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only thing holding me back is the cost

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Luckily undergrad only ended up costing me like $5k so I entered grad school without any debt. Sucks that I now have debt but still

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Your profile pic is pretty cool btw

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:11 PM

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@dire dagger in United States, largely no. If you want a masters later, you can likely get someone to pay for it. Don’t take on loads of debt to get it. If you live elsewhere and it’s much cheaper then maybe.

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 4:12 PM

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i dont live in US

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like will a degree give a salary hike ?

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Your country is generally useful to know because every country is different

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 4:13 PM

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people suggested me that pay is proportional to work in IT

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Again, country specific but in general no

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If you gave your country, it might help or target work country (for those in EU) someone with more knowledge might be able to say

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:17 PM

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We’re too american for this

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Mainly it matters about debt load. If you are in country where college is very cheap and you can live without racking up crazy debt. Go get a masters

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Will a masters hurt? Never

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Will it help for most computer fields? Not a ton.

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:18 PM

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it can help with more senior positions and managerial positions

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:18 PM

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So it becomes a cost benefit analysis

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:18 PM

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tf u mean thumbs down

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of course it can help with getting positions at that level

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:20 PM

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My CTO has BA from state school

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And some Business non degree program from Harvard

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:20 PM

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it’s not required but it helps

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Senior leadership tends to be much more on who you know and who’s throat you slit getting up there and who back you rubbed

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:20 PM

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obviously there’s ceos without even a bachelors

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I was being polite

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:21 PM

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hehe

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yeah i do not like working for large companies, i hate playing politics with people

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:22 PM

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MBA are not about actual degree. They are about all people you meet and alumni network you gain.

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:22 PM

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i’ve had a better time at medium sized companies tbh like up to 500 employees

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i strongly dislike working for mega corporations and small companies

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:24 PM

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I’m just giving the skinny when it comes to American companies, my guess is it’s universal because human nature

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 4:24 PM

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@shadow moss an MBA in IT specialization ? Will an MBA help in getting managerial posts ?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:25 PM

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If you’re working for a mega corporation, they typically hire within when it comes to middle management but I guess if you’re trying to get into a company as a manager

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Mega corp like ?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Fortune 500

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Billion dollar

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hundreds of employees

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 4:27 PM

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MBA is Masters in Business Administrations

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Not sure if it’s a uniquely American thing or not

dire dagger Apr 30, 2020, 4:28 PM

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There are diff specializations, and it is in my place

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Try working in the industry first

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Then see if you think a masters degree is going to be worth it

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 4:34 PM

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MBA is not US unique

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there are MBA degrees in EU too

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but idk how its regarded/valued

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:35 PM

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@abstract spindle what's the culture like at medium companies compared to those mega corporations? I've only worked at a startup so far

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(which I hated)

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 4:36 PM

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why hated?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:38 PM

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The small companies I’ve worked for tend to be very clique based, like if you don’t get into the clique or the “family” you’ll get fired. Typically very few managers which is a good and bad thing and typically no HR

Medium companies there isn’t a ton of management because the company isn’t too huge, but there’s an HR department at least. Things are more flexible

Mega corporations everything moves super slowly, everything is out of date and old, there’s 10000 managers for no reason, and generally i’ve found people are more back stabby, sensitive, and outright horrible at massive companies

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Just really wasn't for me, commute by public transit was long as were the hours, CEO was a micromanager and things were generally disorganized. Was in a kinda bad mental state as well

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Yeah the lack of an HR department was a big thing for me too, there was only one person and he was a pain to deal with. Trying to get something done with him took a lot

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Smaller companies are pickier with their talent choices whereas huge companies are not, so you get a lot of people who hate their job and decide because they’re miserable they need to make yours miserable too

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The only time I’ll ever work for a massive company is if i’m desperate for work

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:41 PM

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I'm pretty junior so I'd rather go for the massive company for the resume boost

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What are some other observations you've made as you progressed in your career? What do you do anyway lol, I haven't even asked that question

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Big companies are good to start at because you learn politics a little and yeah u get the resume boost but the other thing is working for companies that look good on resumes for the industry that you’re in

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Typically I try to apply for tech startups that aren’t necessarily startups anymore but aren’t fortune 500 companies yet

fluid fern Apr 30, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Can relate when I was cooping at comcast

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Companies like Linode is a good example

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big but no too big

fluid fern Apr 30, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Took me 3 weeks to get access to things I needed to start working

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Exactly

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Everything moves super slowly at fortune 500s and there’s so many people and hoops to jump through

fluid fern Apr 30, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Was getting paid to look out the window for those 3 weeks though so if that's your cup of tea go for it

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:44 PM

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when i worked at liberty mutual we used to say “there’s the right way to do it, the wrong way to do it, and the liberty way to do it”

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Lol

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:44 PM

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the liberty way was just the far more overly complicated way to do it

fluid fern Apr 30, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Job security lolololol

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:45 PM

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haha job security is a joke

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Exactly lolol

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Whenever I’m unemployed (like now) i’m filled wirh anxiety because i have no income but when i’m employed i’m filling with anxiety because I know I have 0 job security and will probably get fired again

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:46 PM

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😦

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 4:46 PM

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go to EU 🙂

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:46 PM

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all my family is here angerycry

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I just want to keep a job for at least a year idk why that’s so hard to ask for

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:47 PM

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🤗

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Hug emoji is weird

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:47 PM

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it doesn’t look like a hug

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 4:47 PM

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well there is always factor of luck. and just bad circumstances like now

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I’ve had bad luck for the past year

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i’ve been fired 4 times in a year

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 4:47 PM

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yeah I remember

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Damn

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:48 PM

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yeah i suck

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Hey, can I ask a question?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:48 PM

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idk can you

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I hate to be that guy, but I don't feel like you'll get fired 4x in a year for having bad luck, you have to be doing something to get fired that often. didnt you say you're still in college anyway, @abstract spindle ?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:50 PM

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If I’m doing something wrong I’d love to know what i’m doing wrong

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i’ll tell u why i got canned and u tell me

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 4:52 PM

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hit me, it just seems unreasonable to get fired 4x in a year, unless you were doing stuff that the company clearly didn't like. I don't think it's bad luck (except corona, that is genuinely bad luck)

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:52 PM

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fired for yelling at an intern for being a piece of shit (she cried to the owner and threatened to quit, her uncle was lowkey a big dog)
fired for being “on my phone too much” which was not true, the manager didn’t like me. I was also a temp employee for a temp agency
Liberty mutual, no idea why i got canned. also a temp employee for a temp agency. they never told me
Was the 5th employee fired in 6 months at a small agency. Owner is a psychopath. They just fired 2 more people. He has extreme anger issues

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Are you legit asking or is this sarcasm

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:53 PM

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give it to me

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really hit me hard

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tell me how it is

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I'm more confused than anything else

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 4:53 PM

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not bad luck
not bad luck
possibly bad luck
applied to a shitty job

fluid fern Apr 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I don't think you should be yelling at a intern 👀

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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The 4th and 3rd job i honestly tried my hardest, i never fucked up once. never got in trouble.

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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fired for yelling at an intern for being a piece of shit (she cried to the owner and threatened to quit, her uncle was lowkey a big dog)

Lol what she do

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Lived in daily fear of getting fired

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Shouldn't be yelling at ANYONE at your job

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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^

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:54 PM

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It's shitty

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:55 PM

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@fathom pecan display a total lack of care, was rude and disrespectful to everyone she worked with, etc etc. i mean yelling at an exaggeration, i firmly talked to her about her behavior

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after talking to her twice before about it

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:55 PM

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Were you in a supervisory position over her?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:55 PM

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yes

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 4:55 PM

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well instead of doing that, why not just report it? Clearly the company didn't want you to make those kinds of decisions

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 4:55 PM

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fired for yelling at an intern for being a piece of shit (she cried to the owner and threatened to quit, her uncle was lowkey a big dog)

fired for being “on my phone too much” which was not true, the manager didn’t like me. I was also a temp employee for a temp agency

Liberty mutual, no idea why i got canned. also a temp employee for a temp agency. they never told me

Was the 5th employee fired in 6 months at a small agency. Owner is a psychopath. They just fired 2 more people. He has extreme anger issues
I gotta say - if you can't figure out why you got fired for 1

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I think I can see why you're having trouble

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protip: don't yell at people

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Number 3 was possibly because they didn't need temps anymore at that time

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:56 PM

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@opal perch they did, they just freaked out when she threatened to quit. they did pay me severance for it, they paid me for a month

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:56 PM

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4 was possibly because the business was floundering and they were trying to cut expenses

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And 2, I mean

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If you were on your phone at all during work hours then yeah

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Honestly - yelling at anyone for any reason is a very bad look

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Unless it's explicitly something you have to do for the job, phone goes in pocket and or locker

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I mean yeah, #1 and #2 i’ll take those but #3 and #4 honestly have completely ruined my mental health. i live in daily anxiety at work

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:58 PM

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How old are you if I may ask?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:58 PM

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21

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 4:58 PM

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both 1 and 2 are indicative of a bad attitude in general. That probably contributed to 3/4

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:58 PM

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i live in a daily fear because i can’t feel comfortable at all because any day i’ll go into work and i’ll be fired

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:58 PM

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I wouldn't worry too terribly much just yet. Around that age, people tend to flit from job to job until something just sticks

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Or at least that's what happened with me

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 4:59 PM

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3 and especially 4 i was on my best behavior

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never got in trouble

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Sure, and there may have not been anything specifically your fault that triggered it there

static saffron Apr 30, 2020, 4:59 PM

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ok im intrested what u guys talking about??

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Temp agencies are always a crap shoot

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:00 PM

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You said you're still in college, focus on finishing it and reflect on your previous work experiences. Come out of college with a fresh mindset.

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:00 PM

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And a small business is typically going to be struggling to keep their head above water, and when the time comes, employees are the most expensive asset

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If you have the option to just do school, I'd suggest it

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If not that's understandable as well

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:00 PM

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I do college online and I have bills to pay, I can’t just focus on college right now

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I need a job

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I hear you

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:01 PM

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But I cannot live in constant daily fear of being fired because all it’s doing it making me hate working

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 5:02 PM

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If it helps, if you need a part-time job Lionbridge is pretty good for a remote option though its not development & you're technically a contractor

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:02 PM

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The slightest little baby fuck up i’ll be internally freaking out

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Idk what to do anymore

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Genuinely, counseling might be something to look into

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And that's not meant as a slight

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Doubt that’ll work, that’s not going to change the fact i can’t keep a job

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM

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leaving in constant anxiety/fear is not good for your health

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM

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No, but it can help you learn coping mechanisms

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Counseling is great, I used it a lot when I had a lot of anxiety issues related to school and life during my senior year in undergrad

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Completely useless if I can’t keep a job

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM

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You said yourself that you have to stick with it to keep things going. So if that's the case, then you need to work on keeping yourself stable and healthy

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM

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They teach you a lot of coping mechanisms and walk you thru your thought process and it's a good way to vent

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Counseling can help you get a grip on it all and help you keep the stress down

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:04 PM

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constant anxiety/fear might relfect on the way you are working.

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:04 PM

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I'm not saying it's a cure-all, but it can't hurt

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 5:04 PM

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If your school is offering teletherapy or online counseling services, absolutely take it

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Bc they're free

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:04 PM

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What’s funny is at #4 I made my concerns vocal and told them that them firing all those people has made me anxious and both the owner and my boss assured me if there was any concern about my performance they would tell me

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and guess what didn’t happen

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:04 PM

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so while you say that:

Completely useless if I can’t keep a job
it can go the other way, aka the way you feel might led to you not keeping a job becasue you will be afraid making wrong decision or taking some risks

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:05 PM

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got a call one day after work on like a tuesday from the owner saying they had to let me go

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Beyond that, if it's a local college that you're taking classes for, you might look into positions there

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:05 PM

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out of the blue

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:05 PM

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That would help put food on the table and help cover classes, easing the burden a little more

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:05 PM

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the reason he gave was “it just wasn’t a good fit”

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ah fuck you dude

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Look around for places like cafes, etc when lockdown is over, they're always hiring students and honestly the money stacks up.

I've noticed you've been posting all kinds of job postings the past days relating to cloud architecture etc which require 3+ years of experience. And then you say how no one is hiring you. Don't over value yourself. Apply to jobs in which you have some of the requirements for, it's better to have some money than no money.

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Was the "fuck you" to the auto correct or one of us?

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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I dont think the "fuck you", was aimed at you mr.hemlock, I think that was at the manager

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Oh right, or the manager

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Didn't think about that one

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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why would i want to waste my time working a job that will not contribute to any career at all

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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to put food on the tablae

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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As a stepping stone

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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like you've just been complaining about needing to do

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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lol Charlie, was about to cite

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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I mean the other option is not having a roof over your head

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Having work experience, even ones not in your field, looks good on a CV

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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yeah for now i’ll work for a shitty job but i’m not graduating for 2 more years i don’t want to work jobs that i hate for the next 2 years

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:07 PM

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You're 21 dude

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Don't worry about it not leading to a career

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That's what you're going to school for

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:08 PM

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all you need to focus on is getting your college degree, work some crappy job while you're in college, and then aim for the big leagues after.

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:08 PM

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The current job should be purely just to make sure you can pay bills and keep food on the table

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If it does more than that? That's a bonus

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:08 PM

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btw yeah, man you are 21. I missed that part

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I know i’m capable of making good money, i made good money at my last job, I just feel like a loser because i can’t keep a job

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angerycry

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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have you tried not shouting at interns?

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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Sure, but there's only so much you can gripe and look at the past

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I did that one time

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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@gilded valley Not helpful

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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and i didn’t even yell at her

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it was a firm talking to

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:09 PM

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finding a job right now during this crisis will be hard. Focus on improving your mental health and mindset for when lockdown ends

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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I mean if you're able to get a job repeatedly, I think you're doing something right Bick

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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yes rn during this pandemic i’m just looking for any job i can get

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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If you are working at temp agency, you don’t have a job

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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then when lockdown ends, you'll be able to work on top form with the new improved you, and you'll keep your job

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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but after the pandemic is what i’m planning for

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Never stop looking if you land in temp job

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 5:10 PM

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And from the places you've listed and a rough estimate of where you're located, given the competitive nature of that area you're certainly skilled

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:11 PM

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There are going to be points in your life where it feels like you're standing still or just spinning your tires. But you're already actively doing something to improve your potential job and life by taking classes. Don't look at not having the dream job as a failure. Don't look at taking less pay as a failure. This is part of the process. Sometimes you hit a streak of misery that feels a mile long, but the road will straighten out if you keep at it.

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:11 PM

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I know, I should’ve quit the 4th job when they were firing 5 different people, but I’m so desperate to keep a job i stayed until i was the next victim

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big mistake on my end

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i shouldn’t have trusted management

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Another strong piece of advice

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Learn from the past, but don't let it control you. Don't wallow in it

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You'll gain nothing from it owning you like that

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And I know, a pep talk can't fix everything in the world

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Theres something wrong with me, no one else has this issue except me

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Dude

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I can assure you that's false

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Not true mate, loads of people have the same issue

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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i’ll probably live my whole life as a job hopper

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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you just have to focus on bettering yourself

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Don't think of your life in terms of your career or potential max earnings

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In US culture I think a lot of people fall into that line of thinking (see any post in /r/cscareerquestions)

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:14 PM

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It's been instilled in us since high school and even middle school

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Not that that isn't important but people take it as a measure of their worth

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:14 PM

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especially not when you are 21. There are people who are self taught and older and they manage to get a job and hold it eventually. maybe not first one but still. Don't go despearte

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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@fathom pecan Capital Gains taxes are taxed on gains of assets that you have held longer then a year, that's lower tax rate then normal. Assets purchased and sold within a year are taxed as straight income

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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My dream job is to start my own business, that’s been my dream since i was a little kid, but part of me feels like nowadays i flock to it so much because it feels safer than being employed by a company

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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You've got a lot of life ahead of you

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Just breathe deep, dust yourself off, and kick ass

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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so money I made off MSFT this year, that will be straight income

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:15 PM

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a lot of this comes down to extreme insecurity that has been caused by multiple firings

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Which is why I suggested the counseling angle

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Pre first firing Inwas very confident in myself

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Minimal insecurity

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then the first one hit but i wasn’t like ah man alright whatever their loss onto the next

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then the second firing

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then the third

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at that point i was completely freaked out that i could just get fired like that

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then the fourth

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and here we are

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Yep

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And you're still alive and still working

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That should tell you something important

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:17 PM

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That I’m so desperate I don’t know when to stop

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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That you're able to keep working regardless of the past experiences. You keep fighting and working

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I put a lot of pressure on myself if you couldn’t tell

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Yeah, didn't come across at ALL

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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emnudge

mint pumice Apr 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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@abstract spindle when I was your age I had had two tutoring jobs in my life only. You still have lots of time ahead of you, you should be focused on school and building up a good portfolio/resume. The dream job you want with stability and a ladder upwards is out there but they won't hire you at 21 period

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I just want to feel like I’m doing something right

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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@marsh wind it's pretty hard for US <--> EU immigration. Most companies don't feel need to hire since those employees are not cheaper then other non EU/UScountries, most immigration has been postings by companies transferring employees from international division transfer, people who had citizenship in both countries due to some weird quirk and marriage

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Then keep going to school, keep working to pay your bills

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I'm going to say this bick,

a) put your past behind you and learn from it instead of wallowing in your sorrows.
b) make a plan on how you want to tackle the future
c) go get em tiger.

Constantly bringing yourself down and wallowing in your misery, won't help you.

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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im almost 30 and been employed as a developer for less than a year, get experience and skills under your belt and the rest will follow

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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I just need to get past this extreme insecurity

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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As someone with clinical depression who is CONSTANTLY self-deprecating, I agree with Bon Jovi

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Idk if I’ll ever feel comfortable working a job again

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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You will

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Time heals all wounds, even if it doesn't feel like it right now

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Well

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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It’s hard to imagine feeling comfortable

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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Unless you lose a leg I guess

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That ain't comin' back

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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even then there are prosthetics 😛

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:20 PM

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True that

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And that's actually a good point

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You can take a beating, but you can still find a way to get back up

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I physically cannot imagine going to work without a single worry of getting fired that is completely out of the question

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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You can't imagine it right now

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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The last time I felt that was when I was 18

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Again, this isn't going to be fixed over night

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Just gotta push through

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I was younger than the intern I yelled at

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:21 PM

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We're not saying it's going to be quick and painless

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Life sucks. A lot

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I was a “supervisor” because Inwas their first employee. they hired me at 18

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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There's going to be more hardship and heartache, that's part of the deal

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I'm under threat of getting fired and I'm experienced person who is FTE at S&P 500 who isn't suffering from COVID-19 at all

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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But the important thing is that you keep going

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Sounds like you have other skills you need to learn apart from programming

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Good things will happen

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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I am not good at playing corporate politics

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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once you realize that a job will lay you off at any time because some beancounter thinks it's a great idea, it becomes easier

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:22 PM

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@shadow moss hm I guess makes sense. I know there are quite some EU only citizens who go succesfully for jobs in US. But idk their specific situations.
I'd imagine for tech companies/startups in EU (at least in france) it should not be super tedious to hire US people but I am not in the position to really judge so i'll take your word for it.

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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@shadow moss i did realize that and that only made it worst

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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At least look into counseling

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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why dude, learn to accept it

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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It can't hurt to try

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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or meditation to rest your inner demons

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I only adiced that cause Bick's major concern is job security, something that exists in EU

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I've learn to accept that Mr. Hemlock could drink a 5th of Tequila and think banning the person with fuzzy avatar to be a great idea

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I’ll never get to work in the EU i’ve never even been there before

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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*Gin. Gin is my fave

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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so when I want to get rid of something, go get bottle of local gin from distellery and ship it to you

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Also I'm not THAT much of a dick

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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not quite how it works bick, if a company wants you, they'll organise the work visa for you

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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the difference is if mr hemlock banned the guy with the seizure inducing profile picture it wouldn’t potentially destroy my credit, leave me late on bills, and ruin my financial future

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Lossberg, ask them their visa if you ever talk to them

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Also I didn't realize that your avatar was animated

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I've got that crap turned off unless I hover over it

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:25 PM

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and sure, it happens, I've met EU citizens at jobs before

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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yeah i think that’s the default

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Thank god

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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mine doesn’t animate unless i click on it

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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OK, but I am not really in touch with any of them, so 🤷‍♂️

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I do imagine that work migration for EU<->US proably happens more often for people with experience who are more rare commodity than entry level

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:26 PM

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1 got that visa from their US masters, 1 married and 1 realized that his American father granted him US citizenship

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Sure, if you have some crazy specialized skill, world is your oyster, looking at you David Beckham

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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I just am craving that sense of accomplishment in keeping a job and doing somewhat well in my career. I hate school, I’m completely over it, I’m only doing it for the piece of paper

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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yeah that is entirely possible Rabbit.

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Okay so to sum up the advice we've all lobbed your way:

Look forward, not back
If you get knocked down again, get up, dust yourself off and keep at it
Look into counseling, it can help more than you would think
Don't aim for the biggest and bestest job at the moment. Focus on having something that pays the bills and doesn't leave you miserable, and focus on school

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I hate school so much

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I am so unbelievably over it

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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And it may not be for you. Or you might want to look into vocational schools

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There's always options

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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my favorite was person who realized their American father granted citizenship, like his dad never registered his birth with American Embassy

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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But I'd suggest talking to someone before making the decision to drop out

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And this is coming from someone who dropped out

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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so at 21, he is at American Embassy trying to get all paperwork done

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:28 PM

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There is not a single trade i’m into, i know what I enjoy doing and that’s development and servers and all that. I have done that stuff for over 8 years

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I always find myself going back to it

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Get certifications, get your A+, Cisco, all kinds of certificates then

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Bick, how long left in school?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:30 PM

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I’m still going to finish college because society thinks I should have a degree, I just hate doing it

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2 years

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if i’m lucky

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I should be graduating by now

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:30 PM

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Sure, if you have some crazy specialized skill, world is your oyster, looking at you David Beckham
@shadow moss Idk, from what I've heard when you have 5+ years of experinece companies start to hunt you. And this I guess is a moment when you are likely able to find a job that will sponsor visa oversees

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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companies start to hunt you
With nets and sticks

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I would advise strongly in favor of sticking to school. I dropped out of school very young and I completely REGRET it. Took me almost 10years to get myself where I want to be

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:31 PM

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why does life suck so bad

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Yeah, i’m gonna finish my degree

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Please do. You wont regret it

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If I could go back I would

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Sure, but despite all craziness around US immigraiton, ti's pretty hard

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I'll PM you some stuff since it's offtopic

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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With nets and sticks
lmao 😂

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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I will regret the $40,000 of debt

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that’s a nice tesla worth of debt

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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40k is fuck all in software development

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:32 PM

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fact, especially in the US

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:33 PM

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get your piece of paper and then go and enjoy your career

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its a small sacrifice

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learn from other peoples mistakes

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more than welcome to DM anytime you need help with anything else pal

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:34 PM

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How can I be a good employee what should I do to do well

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How can I not be that guy that gets fired within 6 months

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:34 PM

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get your degree first

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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you want honest answer?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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yes

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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STFU

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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how come ur getting fired?

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Ya did you do something illegal?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:35 PM

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fired for yelling at an intern for being a piece of shit (she cried to the owner and threatened to quit, her uncle was lowkey a big dog)

fired for being “on my phone too much” which was not true, the manager didn’t like me. I was also a temp employee for a temp agency

Liberty mutual, no idea why i got canned. also a temp employee for a temp agency. they never told me

Was the 5th employee fired in 6 months at a small agency. Owner is a psychopath. They just fired 2 more people. He has extreme anger issues

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Recounting it over and over again is not going to help anything though

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Wallowing in it and obsessing over it will not solve anything

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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sounds like you need a chill pill and become a permanent employee for a while instead of contractor / temp

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Get up, get a glass of water, and chill

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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^

shadow moss Apr 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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write some code

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:36 PM

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it’s a vicious cycle now, i’m either

stressed out because i have no income
stressed out because i have income but i’ll get fired soon and won’t have income

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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How old are you?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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21

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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21

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Then chill. It might take some time but you will be fine

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I was a permanent employee at my 1st 4th job, both were extremely small under 15 employees

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:37 PM

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can anyone reccomend a book for this lad to read to chill the fuck out?

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Just don't give up hope, and learn to accept failures

opal perch Apr 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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that's not a permanent job then, a company that small can always go under

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Debatable, but yeah

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Being a permanent employee at a medium sized company would be my dream

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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then get your degree and learn to relax

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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A company with 250 employees at most

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Keep trying, do what you like, in coding

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:38 PM

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The accounting firm I work for is like.... 20ish employees?

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But we've been around for a significant number of years

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:39 PM

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A tech startup that’s not a startup but isnt a massive corporation is 👌🏻

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Hemlock is right, wallowing in the past wont do shit

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learn from your mistakes

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:39 PM

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I’m trying really hard not to

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:39 PM

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you're 21

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chill

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:39 PM

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I really am trying

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 5:39 PM

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lol

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:40 PM

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And again, this is why I'm stressing counseling. You need ways to cope

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They can give you the tools you need

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:40 PM

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But when you burn yourself on the stove 4 times you’re gonna be nervous about doing it again the 5th time

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knowing what the outcome is going to be

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:41 PM

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You don't know

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You can't know

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:41 PM

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idk i hate complaining and whining

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:41 PM

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You're telling yourself you do but you literally can't know

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:41 PM

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You've gotta understand that everything worth doing has some element of risk

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:41 PM

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i feel like a bitch just complaining here but it’s good to get advice from people who’ve been there done that

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I’m willing to take the risk but every time I get canned I am having a harder time justifying the risk

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Hey man, I get you, I got fired from a job once for eating lunch on a day when I threw up in the morning and was late

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But most jobs aren't like that, and you will find a good one eventually

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:42 PM

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4 times

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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4 times isn't many jobs tbh

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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a loser amount of times

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sigh

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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You've gotta believe in it

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The trepidation is visible in interviews

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I’ve already made the process seeing a shrink to kinda voice this out and move past it

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:43 PM

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That's a good plan

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I just put a lot of pressure on myself and my career and it sucks

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I just don’t want to be like my parents and grandparents

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I think we all want to do better than our elders, and hey, sometimes there's pressure to be that person

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But the main thing is that there is a job for you out there that you'll do well in

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It's just a pain in the ass getting there

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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yep

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:45 PM

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So, yeah, talk to your shrink, see where it takes you

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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You unknown people can give way better advice than familiar people

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Years of dealing with being miserable has made me both salty and sagely

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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My parents have had bad credit their whole life, couldn’t buy a house until their mid 40s and have no retirement. That’s the life I’m trying to avoid but getting fired as many times as I have doesn’t feel like I’m avoiding that future

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I'm a nervous asshole at the best of times so I know how it feels

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Well, hey, it's not failure unless you give up

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I remember when I got my first job but it was wrong with paper work so I won't get the job, it was unclear.

I cried a lot and texted my problem here

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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i wish i grew up in the 50s when college cost $5 and i could buy a house at 14

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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haha, don't we all

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I was literally crying in a bus. But people here gave me hope that everything will be ok

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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that’s why i came here to reassurance i’m not just a total piece of shit

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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You're not. You're a young adult going through life

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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There are kind people everywhere, have hopes. And don't give up

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I don’t want my kids to deal with life how i’ve dealt with it

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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@abstract spindle my perfect thought.

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I didn’t get to go live in college for 4 years and stuff and then work a real job after college, i couldn’t afford that and had to work full time at 18 which did not go in my favor

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because all it’s done is freak me out

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:49 PM

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I had to move a lot during my college years. I went to... lets see..... 5 different colleges? Only managed to get my associates degree (and that was a transfer degree)

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Had all kinds of credit hours from the other colleges that didn't mean diddly squat

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I’ve transferred to 3 colleges so far but I’m gonna stick with this one they’ve been really good to me

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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They all turned into elective credits

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So I totally get it

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I’ve had a really bad time with working full time

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so far

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I had one college but, freinds were complicated.

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Jobs do come with sacrifice

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I didn't get into the job I'm at now (a job which I'm finally content and happy with) until I was..... 26 I think?

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No 25

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Shit takes time

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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what took so long

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Am not happy with my job either but am working to get a better one. Struggle is a part of life

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Took so long compared to what?

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There isn't a schedule in one's life that dictates that they should have X job at Y point in their life

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:52 PM

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idk i guess what took 25 years to do it

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I genuinely don't know how to answer that

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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for most people it's just not having the opportunity I think

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I mean there isn't like a secret or a reason for not having found this job

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I'm 27 and I wouldn't say I have a good job either

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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That's just life

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There is no secret, only hard work

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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@mild zenith perfectly said

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:53 PM

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And even with hard work, stuff can fail

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I think Piccard said it best:
"It is possible to lose even when making all of the right choices. That is not called failure, it is called life."

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At least I think that's the quote

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:54 PM

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And it's ver hard to convince the interviewer that you are the right guy. It's next to impossible to HRs

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Most poople who have coding skills lack social skills and vice versa, I think, maybe

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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But for every unexplained failure there seems to be an odd balance to that

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~~explains why I'm crap at coding~~

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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sadcowboy

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i need to learn how to not put so much pressure on myself

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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And you're hardly the only person feeling this problem

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Correct

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Hence the counseling suggestion

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And the glass of water suggestion

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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I need to accept that i’m just average

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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In the US, they reckon around 50% of all CVs/resumes have fabrications

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Everyone's having a hard time

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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sadcowboy

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Ya. We are all in a very very big Average ship

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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Being average is fine

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Think of how much more stressful it would be to be above average

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Ick

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I'll stick with boring

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Boring is safe

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Right

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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📎 image0.jpg

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 5:59 PM

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what took so long
I am 27 and I started my first full time industry job 3 weeks ago. And In a way I understand that if I would not try to go for academic career I could have a job at the age of 23

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 5:59 PM

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27 feels so much older but in reality it’s like 6 years away

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Listen to some happy songs or Game soundtracks, it really is great distraction.

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I mean, my best buddy who is 2 weeks older than me makes 5k$ a months in Ukraine

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and is a senior dev now

indigo sleet Apr 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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That's pretty good

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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but do I really regret my choices?

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no, i would not say so

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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Comparing yourself to others will ALWAYS be a losing game

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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I think a lot of people dont understand how young they are and how long they have to achieve. The average age of a porsche driver is 55 yet many young people think that because a few select people become millionaires from billionaires from apps going through the roof they are somehow failing by not achieving until they are in their 30s/40/50s

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:00 PM

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And a pointless one

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I'll stick with my soccer mom van

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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hey stop describing me josh

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 6:01 PM

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im assuming you use facebook / instagram?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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josh out here reading me like a book

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i have them but i only use instagram

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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gtfo off it and knuckle down

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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i don’t really post or anything i just have them

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Facebook gives me genuine anxiety attacks

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I never use insta or fb. Play RpG games instead

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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I deleted all that shit years ago after i realised the amount of time i wasted on them

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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Although

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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yeah the only reason i still have a facebook account is for messenger

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 6:02 PM

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not good for mental health at all

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imo

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:03 PM

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Bick, if you don't have one already, getting a LinkedIn couldn't hurt

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:03 PM

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i mostly just use reddit and i have the apollo app so i just filter out all the politics so i can look at my self deprecating memes in peace

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I have a linkedin

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https://linkedin.com/in/bick feel free to connect with me sandler

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Even your linkedin job title is over selling yourself

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:05 PM

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sadcowboy

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I think I’d really like to get into cloud engineering / architecture

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so i’ve been tailoring my resume towards that and emphasizing the susadmin work i’ve done on cloud infrastructures

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like aws google cloud etc etc

neon moat Apr 30, 2020, 6:07 PM

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sounds like you want to be a platform engineer haha

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 6:07 PM

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How does one get into being a sysadmin?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Learn Linux

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inside and out

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Brb popping kernels

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:08 PM

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The sysadmin work I have done was a part of being a developer at my last job

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Plus I’ve done sysadmin work on linux environments

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and cloud services

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I’ve been messing around with that stuff for years

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damn someone here is a PHD

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big brain

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phd in physics holy shit dude

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oh philosophy

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i was about to say jesus christ is there a rocket scientist in here

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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He can materialize Socratic musings by merely thinking about them

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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I genuinely didn't realize people still majored in philosophy

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Who is the PhD?

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Where is the Doctor, I was eating lunch

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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idk who the user is but they’re french

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Ah

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:11 PM

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wait no it is in physics

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Doctor of Philosophy - PhD, Physics

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Oooo

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:12 PM

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iight who here is lowkey a rocket scientist

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and infinitely smarter than me

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:12 PM

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I wanna find some research opportunities on campus
But I think they're primarily targeting PhDs

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And I'm not confident enough to think I could keep up

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:13 PM

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imagine being smart enough to get a phd in physics

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Those are usually for grad students in general I thought

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:13 PM

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I am a grad student

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Master's only tho

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:13 PM

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Then you should go for a couple though

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I mean worst thing they say is no

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:14 PM

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imagine writing a masters thesis

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aren’t they like 50 pages minimum

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Thesis is optional here but I think I'll be doing it, I feel like I won't be 'complete' without doing it

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:16 PM

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sounds like a lot of work

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Yeah
But just coasting by in school doesn't really appeal to me

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I'm here, might as well try to take advantage of everything

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:18 PM

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tru

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I’ve had to go college online so i haven’t been able to network

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:19 PM

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I was really planning on networking more, was even gonna go to a data science event in the city ... just to explore what's out there. But now that's kinda been fucked over

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:19 PM

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jesus the average millionaire is over 60 with less than 1% of millionaires being under 35

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i guess i got time

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 6:19 PM

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This place seems good to network

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:19 PM

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yeah someone is a rocket scientist here

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Sort of. Since we're all over the globe, it does make it a bit more scattered

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Makes landing a remote job a little more feasible if you ask me

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:20 PM

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Potentially

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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if someone here gives me a remote job rn i’ll give them a back rub

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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That's probably up there with one of the creepier things said here

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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That seems incredibly vanilla

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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That just means we're doing our jobs right, if you ask me

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Fair answer

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:22 PM

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lmao

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that was a reference to google being called back rub

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just nvm

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:22 PM

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I'd never heard that before

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:22 PM

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yeah google used to be called back rub back in the day

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Doctor of Philosophy - PhD, Physics
@abstract spindle you got the linkedin view?

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:26 PM

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yes

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:27 PM

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That's me

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:27 PM

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lossberg officially the smartest person in this discord

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:27 PM

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That's..... Not true

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:28 PM

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In my eyes it all kind of balances out

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Someone who's smart in one field may not be in another

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:28 PM

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how hard was it to get a phd in physics

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Ooh, you're the one with the PhD Lossberg? 😮

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That's awesome

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:28 PM

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i took physics in high school and it was really hard i couldn’t imagine how hard a phd would b

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:29 PM

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I liked my Physics class but my teacher also played Pocket Tanks with students lol

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Which made it even better

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Also PhD and academia in general is about hard work

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And low reward in the end

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:30 PM

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but you could be a rocket scientist now

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that’s a pretty sweet gig

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even work for nasa or something

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Remind me, does the EU have a collective space program or would it still be per country

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:31 PM

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But here am I, data scientist at startup :)

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Nothing wrong with that

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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data scientists make the big bucks in the US

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I know

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Honestly bo idea for space program

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I am not eu citizen 😁

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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@mild zenith it's both. There's the ESA (European Space Agency), but a lot of countries have their own internal organisations

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Oh der

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Canada

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Canada has a space program

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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The other France (I'm kidding)

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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And Ik they work with NASA

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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But. I don't want to go to US 😂 so I am fine in France for now

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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@gilded valley Oh that's really cool

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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There’s a famous astronaut with a lil mustache who’s from canada

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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The ESA is the main equivalent of Nasa though

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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i can’t remember his name

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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I'm thinking of either trying to get into cybersecurity or data science

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Part of me wants to look into getting into coding as a career, and another part of me is happy enough just being a hobbyist

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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What was your journey to get where you're at now, @marsh wind . After PhD that is

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:34 PM

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i wanted to be a lawyer for a long time and get into cyber security law, but law school would cost about $100k so i don’t think it’s worth it

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:34 PM

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S'il vous plait

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Got a friend in law school at the moment who also edits a journal or something

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Seems like a lot of draining work

gilded valley Apr 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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@mild zenith It seems to me that doing it as a job doesn't necessarily mean killing off the hobbyist aspect of things. Of course, it depends on your motivations, but I'm sure you'd be a pretty good software engineer

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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law school is very hard

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and very expensive

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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Yeah

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:35 PM

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it’d cost $100k for my local low ranking law school and about $300k for a t20

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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What was your journey to get where you're at now, @marsh wind . After PhD that is
@fathom pecan a bit later I'm on phone

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Ok sounds good!

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:42 PM

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Life sucks man

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I miss childhood

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:46 PM

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OK so in short. Dec 2018, PhD defended. TIll May 2019 I was still a postDoc in the lab wrapping things up and looking for prospects. It is then that I realized that I really don't want academic career and that Data Science/ML sounds fitting to my liking (I did some fare share for soft dev during phd since it was in comp/theoretical physics, aka calculations).
In May 2019 I went for unemployement and started to learn python, ML/DL and stuff with some online courses mainly. Also engaged in some discord communities looking for jobs. I think I started interviewing around March 2019, being on and off (Like some month I would send bunch of job applications, some month I would send nothing). I also was not super concerenced like Maybe August, September, some other month, when we had relatives visiting or just playing ps4 for few weeks straight 😁
All in all I started my job 3 weeks ago 🙂

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This is like a quick recap, so feel free to ask for details @fathom pecan

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aren’t they like 50 pages minimum
@abstract spindle btw my PhD thesis if fairly small volume wise, like 100 pages 😁 typical is 150, rare cases are 300.

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 6:49 PM

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holupsquid

fathom pecan Apr 30, 2020, 6:57 PM

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Oh wow! So you were searching for a while

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I'm trying to get into an ML course next semester, taking a data mining one rn and I'm enjoying it

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 6:59 PM

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well I was not fully dedicating to it all the time and committing full time

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so there is that too

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and well, everyone wants relevant experience, and I did not have one 😁

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 8:03 PM

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So question. If I'm in SAP (not my choice, needed a job after layoffs in an unrelated role) and absolutely despise SAP how can I realistically exit SAP consulting?

mild zenith Apr 30, 2020, 8:22 PM

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SAP as in the business software?

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 8:23 PM

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imo, start grabbing skills in the career that you want

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Has anyone here learned through Code Dojo, and if so, have they actually helped you get a job?

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 8:24 PM

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I graduated with a degree in IT:Cybersecurity but transitioned to a developer role after learning python in my free time

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 8:27 PM

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SAP as in the piece of crap from 1978 that keeps lying about what it can actually do.

shut geyser Apr 30, 2020, 9:07 PM

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my coworker broke a screen from rage from having to work with SAP Business Object

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i for one, quit my last job partly because of it

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:08 PM

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The only way out of one role into is another is by learning some basics of another role and then applying it and hope you get lucky, and be potentially prepared to start at a lower level than you are now, but don’t sel yourself short as you (should) have proven experience at being successful

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There’s really no one way of a move from one to another

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But why would someone ever hire me if I'm just doing SAP? It's a completely niche skill and I'm 34. I feel like they'd just hire an undergrad instead.

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You won’t know unless you apply and interview

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That sort of attitude is just sappy. If you get work done then you’ll get a job.

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Maybe not in this economy currently, but soon

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I already have been

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I've applying like crazy for the past few months and can't even get interviews for anything until I just started lying on my resume and calling myself a "financial transformation consultant"

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Since November. Closest I got was an entry level financial analyst interview. Would have been supporting a family of 4 on like 50k/yr

zinc oar Apr 30, 2020, 9:35 PM

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Is it actually a bad time to get the first job out of college? I wonder how COVID is affecting software dev job market

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 9:40 PM

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Yes

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It’s the worst time in the past 10 years

mint pumice Apr 30, 2020, 9:41 PM

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@vapid jay do you work on and with SAP software or do you actually work at the company SAP?

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:41 PM

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External consultant, FICO

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 9:41 PM

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yes it ain't best time. there are compaies which will hire but the job market will be quite flooded with peope looking for jobs

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:42 PM

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well thing is though, for a lot of entry level jobs you're better off as a new graduate because you're cheaper than experienced hires and they know they can keep you on a lower pay scale throughout your career

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Its illegal, but common to refuse to hire people with families because you know they need pay more and will be more easily poached.

mint pumice Apr 30, 2020, 9:43 PM

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@vapid jay SAP regularly hires consultants to improve the software from within. If you want to move away you'll be more successful at other business software places and at tech departments in the corporate world where SAP is respected

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:43 PM

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*to be paid

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Yeah but I work with corporate tech departments. It's an utterly miserable life with very little chance of bettering your circumstances.

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They're generally not people I want to be like from what I've seen.

mint pumice Apr 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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@vapid jay so what kind of jobs are you looking for?

zinc oar Apr 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Gosh, then what would be the best thing I can do as a undergrad freshly coming out of the college? Should I learn more technologies? Or should I keep shot-gunning my resume to companies or both?

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it's really confusing tbh

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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both

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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more in line with deal-facing or more strategic/ops jobs.

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 9:44 PM

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luck plays tremendous roles

mint pumice Apr 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Id bet a lot of what you are trying to avoid (being like the office workers you interact with often) won't really change if you go to a smaller company or a tech company etc

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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The best thing you can do is...kind of hard to do right now because of these idiotic shutdowns, but use the "coffee chat" strategy.

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It works fairly well if you're newer. A bit less so if you've already got a CV

zinc oar Apr 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Got it, every ghosting, failing an interview is really hard to deal with tbh, but I guess I don't have any choice beside doing what I did

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Thing I have military, a top 20 business school, and finance experience. Zero tech experience except one year in SAP.

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I'd say skip emails and just try to call people for social chats. Startups are still hiring.

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Startups I'm not doing because they can't pay me enough to pay rent, but might be something to look at

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 PM

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@zinc oar Dont take it personally, it’s gonna be a while before more jobs open back up

zinc oar Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Thank you, it makes me feel better

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Even that... have you all SEEN what's going in NJ?

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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NJ?

mint pumice Apr 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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@vapid jay honestly your resume sounds perfect for a corporate tech guy...

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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There's people who haven't been able to get a dime of unemployment in weeks, and can't get food because the food banks are overwhelmed. There's a non-trivial chance some areas will be experiencing food riots soon.

mint pumice Apr 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Business acumen + worked on tech for a bit

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Right now is an excellent time to keep collaborating on projects with others and support/supplement your portfolio

vapid jay Apr 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Only way I'd be in any other mood than "Please shoot me" is if it was a tech strategy role.

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But also e-commerce and web stuff is swamped. They're hiring like crazy

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 9:48 PM

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oh new jersey

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lol I'm slow

white karma Apr 30, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Good to know web stuff is still in demand right now

marsh wind Apr 30, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Startups are still hiring.
those with funds perhaps

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but there is also a Bird story with layoffs

zinc oar Apr 30, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Currently I'm trying to learn about JS and ReactJS to create my own portfolio website, thinking that's helpful

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my best language was python but seriously many python jobs seems to me that they're looking for masters or +@

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on the other hand Java, C#, and web relateds seems to be easier to break in

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is there any good website to learn about open source collaboration projects opportunites to list on my resume?

near schooner Apr 30, 2020, 10:25 PM

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https://github.com/MunGell/awesome-for-beginners#python

GitHub

MunGell/awesome-for-beginners

A list of awesome beginners-friendly projects. Contribute to MunGell/awesome-for-beginners development by creating an account on GitHub.

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find labels that are for beginners

zinc oar Apr 30, 2020, 10:26 PM

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@near schooner Much appreciated!

abstract spindle Apr 30, 2020, 11:14 PM

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@zinc oar just build up a good portfolio and find some work for the time being. i’m interviewing to be a security guard. in no capacity do i want to be a security guard but it’ll pay the bills and gives me time to work on what i want to work on

zinc oar May 1, 2020, 12:28 AM

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@abstract spindle Maybe I should think about what to do meanwhile as well... Thanks for the advice!

abstract spindle May 1, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Absolutely. This is a great time for me to try new things and see what I like the most. Especially since companies are offering free services because of COVID-19

opal perch May 1, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Bick, whatever's happened, keep up the good attitude, its attitude like this that will help you out in the long run. Stay strong my dude

fathom pecan May 1, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I'm in NJ and so far things seem pretty normal for now

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But I'm also up north

ancient rune May 1, 2020, 1:39 AM

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brushing up and picking up skills before entering the workforce again

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what technologies are essential for developers nowadays? I mean stuff like docker, aws, jenkins. What else falls into this category

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 3:41 AM

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@ancient rune imo JS unless you really want to do backend

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but that sort of a topic for another server

ancient rune May 1, 2020, 3:41 AM

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JS = javascript

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?

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 3:41 AM

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yes

ancient rune May 1, 2020, 3:42 AM

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I have some experience in node.js, but I will learn some more

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Thanks for the feedback!

shadow moss May 1, 2020, 3:49 AM

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docker aws is more devops

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good to know

ancient rune May 1, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Yeah I suppose all those 3 fall into devops.

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 3:49 AM

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What's the best approach when there is someone who's working on a FOSS project that you really want to see succeed, but they also seem to flagrantly disregard basic python code conventions and deflect contributions by asking that changes be more gradual?

shadow moss May 1, 2020, 3:50 AM

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and yes, I would learn JS, I wouldn't make Python your sole language for dev

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I mean, I have some ugly code in my discord bot if you came in a rewrote it, it would throw me for a loop because stuff would get lost

ancient rune May 1, 2020, 3:51 AM

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python is something I picked up on the side. I currently do embedded work and work mostly in C/C++

shadow moss May 1, 2020, 3:51 AM

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with FOSS, options are pull requests and forking

ancient rune May 1, 2020, 3:52 AM

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But thank you for the feedback. Appreciate it @shadow moss

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 3:52 AM

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@shadow moss the thing is that the project is supposedly a community project, not just his bot

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i don't want to just go and hard fork because i don't know the front end very well

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it might also sit badly with the community in question, even if i properly implement new features

shadow moss May 1, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Technically, you could continue to merge his front end code

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 3:53 AM

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Hm, I guess.

shadow moss May 1, 2020, 3:54 AM

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my guess is they would just close the source code

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if it's not GPL, that's legal

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 3:55 AM

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i think its under a license that doesnt permit that

shadow moss May 1, 2020, 3:55 AM

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and even if it is, no court would care

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 3:55 AM

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like gpl or something

shadow moss May 1, 2020, 3:55 AM

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it should be in git repo under license.txt

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but again, practically it doesn't matter, you would have to get court order

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 3:56 AM

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its GPL3

shadow moss May 1, 2020, 3:58 AM

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well technically it would require a rewrite to continue using it

zenith inlet May 1, 2020, 4:01 AM

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uh

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a rewrite or a rename?

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my understanding is that i can use the code, i just cant use the original project name?

fathom pecan May 1, 2020, 4:42 AM

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@ancient rune Oh cool, saw your message saying that you do embedded work. What's that like?

ancient rune May 1, 2020, 4:43 AM

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@fathom pecan Very very exciting if you like working close to the hardware

fathom pecan May 1, 2020, 4:45 AM

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How long have you been in the industry? I'm hoping in the future to learn more hardware stuff or get closer to it at least, I'm planning on taking a reverse eng. course either next semester or the semester after

ancient rune May 1, 2020, 4:53 AM

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I am super fresh. Only a year and a half now