#career-advice | Python | Page 339

fleet heron Apr 21, 2020, 9:51 AM

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meh, feels too fictionalized

short scarab Apr 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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!e

inner wrenBOT Apr 21, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Sorry, but you may only use this command within #bot-commands.

dry kraken Apr 21, 2020, 1:44 PM

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so Im not in a country with huge tech industry

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most of the tech jobs are in the capital city

safe glacier Apr 21, 2020, 1:45 PM

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right, are you in school or have you completed your studies?

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because depending on how much you know, you can do some freelance work on ~~upskill~~ upwork

dry kraken Apr 21, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I haven't gone to college yet

safe glacier Apr 21, 2020, 1:45 PM

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start at the bottom doing some small tasks and build your profile up

dry kraken Apr 21, 2020, 1:46 PM

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upskill?

safe glacier Apr 21, 2020, 1:47 PM

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https://www.upwork.com/

Upwork

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sorry meant upwork

dry kraken Apr 21, 2020, 1:48 PM

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oh yes i've signed up there

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though my profile weren't approved

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I may need to work on that

safe glacier Apr 21, 2020, 1:49 PM

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yeah they are a bit weird on what they allow in a profile

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you may need to add some very sill generic stuff

dry kraken Apr 21, 2020, 1:51 PM

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I don't know what to put on education

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and I don't really have job experience

safe glacier Apr 21, 2020, 1:53 PM

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have you done any sort odd jobs for relatives or friends or extended family, even acquaintances?

dry kraken Apr 21, 2020, 1:53 PM

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yes I have a few websites done

safe glacier Apr 21, 2020, 1:53 PM

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okay that counts

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write it down

dry kraken Apr 21, 2020, 1:54 PM

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would projects that i've done count? or is that for my portfolio

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:07 PM

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i'd think so

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not sure for this site, but in general

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i think i had interviews solely on the fact that i had dumb projects and a blog

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it gives a conversation start

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like a sort of bait idk

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Wait

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Do blogs help out a lot on your resume?

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I've heard that before but I didn't think much of it.

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:09 PM

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on all interesting interviews i had it came up and it was a good point

gilded valley Apr 21, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Someone on this server (XX) got a job via their blog iirc

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:10 PM

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One fang contacted me because they found my blog apparently

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i spent 4h trying to see if i was being scammed

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and there is like 3 beginners, not technically impressing article

marsh wind Apr 21, 2020, 2:11 PM

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is it a personal custom blog you host somewhere ? or something like medium ?

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:11 PM

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yeah i made it with Pelican

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but like

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you create a markdown page

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generate the site with pelican with 2 commands

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set it up once on Netlify

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you're done

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You can also do that with Jekyll

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:12 PM

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I thought about making a blog with Flask. I already made a webpage with it so probably would help to think of how to make a blog.

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I don't what I could write on it though. Can't come up with ideas

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:13 PM

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just write on what you did

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hey i done that, that way

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:13 PM

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How I made the blog?

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:13 PM

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i choosed x over y because of z

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:13 PM

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How I would have made the blog*

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Hmm

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:13 PM

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yeah you can

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Yeah but it wouldn't be a blog if I didn't update it from time to time right>

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That's what I am thinking about. That I need to keep coming up with posts

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:14 PM

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you have to update it once

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:15 PM

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Like just make the blog and never post anything on it?

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Just some things?

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:15 PM

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why not

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:15 PM

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That's cool I didn't think about that

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:15 PM

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nobody's gonna yell at you, and you owe nobody a thing

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:15 PM

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I just didn't know how it would look on my resume

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:15 PM

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and having one or two articles is better than none

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Just having a blog that I don't update or post anything

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Would that be ok?

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Would anybody that has a blog have the upper hand if they post more?

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:16 PM

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yeah, and you can make little articles whenever you search a job :p

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Idk if I phrased that correctly

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Hahah

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Yeah I guess

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:17 PM

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it shows that you're passionate, that you can write and give an insight on your personality or interest

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at worst you lost 3h of your life, that's the most harm it will do to you

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:18 PM

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yeah I guess

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I'm probably gonna end up doing it anyways so why not

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Also I have made some app that is going to be used for some small company, like store

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Should I put that on my resume?

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It doesn't do much

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It's all in python and it's all probably bad code, but it works

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What I mean is should I just put stuff that I made on my resume or will that "hurt" it in some way

sick mist Apr 21, 2020, 2:31 PM

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I don't think too much experience(s) can "hurt", if the code is bad, and you can explain why you think it's bad, that's best that 1) someone who didn't write code 2) someone who's contempt with their code and can't have a critical view on it

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ideally, you should try to narrow it down to the kind of position you're looking for, though

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if for instance you want to be web developer, put more details on all the stuff you've done and that's linked to web development (frontend, backend, deployments, etc)

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Employers usually don't want to have to teach you everything, so the most you can show that you already know, the more chances on your side

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:36 PM

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This was more of a desktop app with kivy and graphics.py to be used only from the store manager that read emails and handled vacations days for employees and then wrote some files after the employer had checked up on the emails that the program had seen.

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It was probably an app that I paid more attention to because it needed to work well and it was going to be actually used from people

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But I don't think that it could be used from other people except the company that I made it for

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It just isn't that good

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:38 PM

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You might can't show code about it

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any code i write for my job, i'm not allowed to shar

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so if i want to talk about it, i have to rewrite some snippets

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Yeah I wouldn't share the actual code that would be client based, just the logic behind it

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:41 PM

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yeah

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Blog isn't all about code too, it shows that you can articulate complex problems

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and be understood

half urchin Apr 21, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I would probably write beginner tutorials on it

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That's the easiest solution I found

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Maybe write some tutorials

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and maybe a few projects I worked on

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like making a web page :P

shut geyser Apr 21, 2020, 2:46 PM

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yeah

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definitely!

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:10 AM

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how’s everyone who’s looking for jobs rn?

fleet heron Apr 22, 2020, 2:32 AM

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i wish i had a job but my internet is so slow

gritty sequoia Apr 22, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Hey guys, question

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I’m an electrical engineer graduating this may, starting the job search

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I’ve got a buddy who has a really nice gig doing software engineering for a corporation, he said he could send me an employee referral for the same position, they’re hiring again

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I have most of all the skills and xp they’re looking for in the job description, problem is I have a shit GPA, so I’m thinking I’ll get filtered out. Anyone think an employee referral from my buddy could help circumvent this from happening?

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:50 AM

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Are they asking for your GPA?

gritty sequoia Apr 22, 2020, 2:51 AM

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No mention of it on the job posting

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No minimum gpa requirement, only that you’re a recent grad

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:51 AM

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then don’t even put it on your resume

gritty sequoia Apr 22, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Shieeet

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:51 AM

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if they care they’ll ask

gritty sequoia Apr 22, 2020, 2:52 AM

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This is it boys

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I’m gonna make it

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:52 AM

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good luck brother

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 7:01 AM

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@gritty sequoia unless your CV is total shit, referral from employe is aim at circumventig the iitial filter/screening and should guarantee you the first interview

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 12:44 PM

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I don’t know what to do anymore. I got denied for unemployment. I am living off stimulus checks. No one will hire me. I have applied for so many jobs and every single one says no. I’ve had 6 interviews cancelled because of this coronavirus. I am completely out of options 😖

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 12:56 PM

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I have applied for so many jobs and every single one says no.
due to covid? or there are other reason, like past experience/skills/resume?

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 12:59 PM

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both

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I got canned in early March

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wait no

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early february

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But I had a few thousand in savings so i said ¯_(ツ)_/¯ i’ll stay unemployed for a minute then ill find the right job instead of rushing to get the first job that comes to me

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well that didn’t happen because shortly after the world had a fuckin stroke and now we’re in a pandemic

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I’ve had SIX interviews and I made it to the end and all 6 were cancelled because of corona.

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Granted they were sales roles, so it makes sense

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 1:02 PM

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that sucks big time.
oh ok, not very unexpected

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 1:03 PM

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The problem i’m running into is pre corona I was the best candidate you could get. Not super experienced, but not too green. I have a few years under my belt of work experience. Now there’s 22 million people unemployed, so there’s 10000000 better options than me

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so no one is gonna hire me

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I’ve gotten denied for junior web developer position ffs

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angerycry

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idk what to do man i’m so frustrated and stressed 😭

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 1:11 PM

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Ngl it is very stressfull and your frustration is valid

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Hang in there

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If that's correct english

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 1:22 PM

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part of me wants to just give up

white karma Apr 22, 2020, 1:55 PM

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No point in doing that

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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ngl?

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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where you request for positon as jr dev?

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what sites

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 1:56 PM

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I am working on my resume again.. it's 2020 and I have a section back from my university days in 2017, 2018.. about winning some hackathons and other competitions.. should I remove it?

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 1:57 PM

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I think its better to keep them

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 1:57 PM

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you dont think 2017 was too long ago?

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im worried about this heading, because it makes me look like i'm starting out

📎 unknown.png

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and my most recent position makes it look like I'm not ..

📎 unknown.png

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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no, 1997 wasn’t too long ago either

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keep them for the rest of your life

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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wut

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I'm not a native speaker, so it's hard for me to detect sarcasm lol

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 1:59 PM

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if it’s a legit hackathon then keep it on your resume

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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should I change the heading to something else?

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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@wind hinge Indeed, LinkedIn, WeWorkRemotely, Dice, Glassdoor

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@vapid jay you could use Awards

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:00 PM

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ahhh

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that's a nice idea..

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can I use another word that doesn't seem show offy

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btw if you need to look for a position, you can use turing

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and wfh

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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wfh?

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:03 PM

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work from home

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Turing basically hosts a lot of companies hiring talent.. and most of it is remote jobs

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 2:04 PM

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uh i am trying to find jr dev position as well xD

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Tho i still didnt registered anywhere else

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only freelancer

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and i am not so successful with it, still no one offered me project 😦

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:07 PM

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freelancer is not a good site to work on

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it’s a race to the bottom

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if you’re legit about working, it’s best to use a service

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like indeed or whatever

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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which country do you guys want to work in

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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USA

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:08 PM

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companies generally freeze hiring during a crisis.. you need to find a niche, or a different country

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Roche hackathon nice

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Roche seemed a good company to work with

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My partner didn t want because it's in Basel thou

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:09 PM

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I love them so much

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I love Basel too

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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Ahah

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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I want to go work there.. some day.. settle down

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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I'ln try to keep you in mind if i search back a job in pharma :p

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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I had 8 interviews with them.. and it kept going on.. I wish they would've given me a result

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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I dont mind to find a job in any country, I just want more xp

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:10 PM

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8 interviews damn

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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I just need income lol

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Almost like a FANG

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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yea xD

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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companies like Roche.. they hire contractors usually, so when I interviewed for a permanent position, I didn't know how rigorous it was

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Ah yeah

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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and people who work in pharma, they usually work there for life

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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CRO like IQVIA and such

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:11 PM

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I just need a job that provides income so i can live

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:12 PM

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SWEs don't like pharma, but the pay is good..

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you have to find your niche man..

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:12 PM

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They seem to jump between companies a lot i've seen

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 2:12 PM

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what u mean by niche?

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:12 PM

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I know what it's like to feel like you're beating the pavement.. but if you're not finding opportunities some place, it's maybe the place you're looking at, so look elsewhere

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:12 PM

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In one year i worked with the same guy in 3 differe t companies

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:12 PM

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contracting positions for big companies can be a good outlook..

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and you're from US so you can land a job easy in EU.. Ireland..

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yeah SWEs do that.. especially if they're on a contracting company, they jump a lot for pay and new projects

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:14 PM

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the problem is the talent pool is so ridiculously high

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because everyone is unemployed rn

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so the best candidates are being scooped up

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and im not one of the best candidates

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:16 PM

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it doesn't matter man

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you can't sink yourself comparing yourself to others, you need to sell your skills regardless

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:17 PM

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i've been trying, i've applied for 100s of jobs

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not a single interview in a month

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i had no problem pre corona

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:18 PM

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hmm you had no problem landing interviews, so the issue is not the skill gap

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the issue is companies freezing hiring

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 2:19 PM

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economy is prob

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:19 PM

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you can also address your skills gap and find new avenues

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:19 PM

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yep and since i dont qualify for unemployment, i have no way to make money 🙂

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:21 PM

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why dont you qualify for unemployment

wind hinge Apr 22, 2020, 2:23 PM

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how to qualify for unemployment??

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 2:31 PM

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Depends on country

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In France you must work since more than X amount of time and be over 25 and other dumb stuff

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Cant imagine for harsher countries

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 2:36 PM

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what do you think I should change my resume heading as..

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I'll just use Awards then, for the time being

shadow moss Apr 22, 2020, 2:41 PM

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My American S&P 500 corp froze almost all hiring and shut down all hirings in progress if offer letter wasn't sent

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I get the frustration

abstract spindle Apr 22, 2020, 2:49 PM

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Unemployment in the US is done state by state, so you have to make a minimum amount of money in a given week in that state. I worked in New Hampshire for 2 1/2 quarters, but they use the whole year, so my income in 4 quarters was below the minimum average weekly pay you have to make to qualify

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TL;dr: my average income for 2019 was too low to qualify

deep flicker Apr 22, 2020, 2:57 PM

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@marsh wind how's your onboarding going?

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 3:18 PM

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@deep flicker it feels like it goes fine. I like the team so far, nice people, very understanding and helpful, challenging project

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how about yours?

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In France you must work since more than X amount of time and be over 25 and other dumb stuff
@shut geyser wait, really? you cn't have it if you are under 25?

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Never heard that 🙂

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 3:20 PM

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yeah i think ?

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might mistake with RSA

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 3:20 PM

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well I was already 26 so I never had to bother

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 3:20 PM

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my sisters are too young for financial help even though they worked :/

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 3:20 PM

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hm

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 3:20 PM

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25 and RSA i'm sure

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25 and unemployement you make me doubt

shadow moss Apr 22, 2020, 3:26 PM

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Bick, in NH, that's going to be rough

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I think we are trailing into off-topic here 🙂 just to finish this: quick google finds nothing for unemployed and minimum age. However there is something about RSA and age but it seems there is more than a single type of RSA (I found one that is for young once: 16-25 yesrs)

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 3:28 PM

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whats RSA

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 3:28 PM

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that is french thing, kind of gov financial help

vapid jay Apr 22, 2020, 3:28 PM

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ok

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 3:30 PM

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there are lots of different forms of financial helps here: in addition to uneployment, you can have extra if your salry is too low, if you are student you can have some finances to pay for the room/apartemnt, if you find a job after unemployment with lower salary than your old one they can pay the part of the salary difference to motivate you to work and etc etc @vapid jay

deep flicker Apr 22, 2020, 3:32 PM

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@marsh wind it's going ok, people are nice and helpful, a little too fast paced maybe since I was used to do R&D and being a linguist even before lol

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but I'm learning tons of useful stuff, I'll also get some cloud cert at some point

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 3:33 PM

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what is your current position? and what kind of R&D you idd before?

deep flicker Apr 22, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I'm basically doing debugging, but also customer support. Hopefully I'll get to a more dev or data scientist position

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before I was doing R&D in computer vision

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working mainly with iot stuff and image classification

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@marsh wind what about you?

marsh wind Apr 22, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Data science position

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which is, for now is dev+debugging+some non exactly ML but still data science related stuff

deep flicker Apr 22, 2020, 3:38 PM

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yeah me as well, debugging sometimes involves working with DS stuff

shut geyser Apr 22, 2020, 8:07 PM

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Pick any tutorial you can find and follow it good luck

mystic abyss Apr 23, 2020, 12:06 AM

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The book is free online and is more up to date in some parts. But it does have you use Mu instead of Idle

reef marsh Apr 23, 2020, 2:30 AM

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@mint citrus Please do that in an off topic channel instead.

mint citrus Apr 23, 2020, 2:30 AM

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blobcatsalute

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:36 AM

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I wanna build my carrer on AI an ML. I just love programming stuff. So How much math behind those ML Algorithms do I need to know to do so?

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I am watching Andrew Ng's Coursera videos.

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There isn't much math there

fleet heron Apr 23, 2020, 5:37 AM

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a lot

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:37 AM

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But what about Andrew Ng's Coursera videos?

fleet heron Apr 23, 2020, 5:38 AM

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haven't seen them

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if you're just gonna use some libraries without knowing how they work and how to optimize them, then you barely need to know math

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:39 AM

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I want to build my carrer on it . what do you suggest ?

fleet heron Apr 23, 2020, 5:41 AM

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try stanford's ml course

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well actually they're the same thing kinda

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:43 AM

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Andrew Ng's coursera (deeplearning.ai specialization) is a great primer, but it doesn't usually go into the details of some of the decribed processes. So expanding on the base it provides sounds like a great initiative.

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:43 AM

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I have also watched stanfords video. But he discussed much deeper math than he discussed in coursera

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:43 AM

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I'd say working on real life applications and digging into the nitty-gritty would be a good start.

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have you tried replicating a LeNet for instance, worked with the MNIST database of handwritten digits, etc.

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:45 AM

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Nope I am just a noob, implemented linear regression, logistic regression, clustring, and percptron

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:45 AM

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the MNIST is a fairly straightforward database to have fun with, and I think it's easily available through the Keras library.

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:47 AM

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I will try. I am not using any ml library . I am implementing from scratch

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:47 AM

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For the basic math and history of ML, maybe look into Yann LeCun's recently published introductory book (published in French last year), I'm sure it's been translated or is being translated.

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:47 AM

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ok .

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:47 AM

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if you're implementing it from scratch, maybe you could look at the videos from 3Blue1Brown on youtube (great channel overall).

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and that might fulfill your math crave.

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Otherwise I believe Sentdex (also on youtube) has started a series where he start building a deep learning model from scratch.

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:48 AM

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I am kinda confused few say implementing from scratch is waste of time and some say I must implement from scratch

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Yep I follow Sentdex

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:50 AM

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I am also fairly new into the scene (I am getting into a MSc in Data Science in September after a finance diploma and some years of industry) but I believe that it doesn't hurt to know how to implement something from scratch.

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knowing how things work under the hood is also rewarding in itself.

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:51 AM

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Thank you for your opinion @swift veldt

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I will continue to implement from scratch then

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:51 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZHQObOWTQDNU6R1_67000Dx_ZCJB-3pi this might be interesting for you

YouTube

Neural networks

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and the channel deserves a sub

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great educator through and through

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and you're welcome

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:52 AM

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Ok. I will give it a look

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:54 AM

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When you say building your career on AI and ML, you will also ask yourself for what aim. ML is a buzzwords that basically mean specific technics and processes to look at and maybe solve some complex problems--image recognition, stock market rediction, etc.
Look at what types of problem you find cool and try to work on those.

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one of my first attempts at a machine learning system was trying to detect if a drawn picture contained a specific caracter.

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:55 AM

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I am thinking about image recog

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:55 AM

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sounds very basic, ends up being really hard

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:56 AM

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well we share common interest then

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:56 AM

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If you want to think about image recognition, you will have also to look into the basis of ML, which is data. What types of images are you interested in, are there existing databases, properly labelled, etc.

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for instance I ended up building my own database of x million pictures + labels because I had access to a nice booru website with great taggings and a friendly API

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 5:59 AM

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would you share link?

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 5:59 AM

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which is why some pre-existing databases like the MNIST or Zalando(?--I don't recall if it's that company or another) have pictures databases on which to work to learn about it.

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the website is derpibooru--my little pony pictures basically.

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the one I used

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fairly easy API, tons of pics, massive tagging/label system

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 6:00 AM

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Currently I am on basic ML. When I start learning image recog I will try these then

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 6:01 AM

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👍 👍

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are you following DeepLearning.Ai's specialisation on Coursera?

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the 5 or 6 courses curriculum

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Nope I will then

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I am watching stanford's ml videos and Andrew's ml videos on coursera

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 6:03 AM

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as part of which classwork on coursera ?

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because a good thing that goes with each class on coursera is accompanying exercises.

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 6:03 AM

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I don't know, I downloaded from torrents, lol

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 6:04 AM

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ah, I see. Well, there are always repositories on github that have the accompanying exercises

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just five minutes of googlefu will help you find them

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 6:05 AM

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ok. I will look for it

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 6:05 AM

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👍 top notch.

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goes off to bed cuz it's 2am

ripe stump Apr 23, 2020, 6:06 AM

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yeah .

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best of luck

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English is not my mother tongue . I just googled it, lol.

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Top Notch

swift veldt Apr 23, 2020, 6:12 AM

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It's not mine either

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Am French though in the US atm

sturdy axle Apr 23, 2020, 1:28 PM

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In terms of succinctness and formatting, which of these resumes look better?

gilded valley Apr 23, 2020, 1:29 PM

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The latter

sturdy axle Apr 23, 2020, 1:29 PM

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@gilded valley can you elaborate on your reasoning?

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What makes it look better?

gilded valley Apr 23, 2020, 1:30 PM

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The lines provider a nicer delineation between different sections; its easier to parse at a glance because of nice clear titles/sections

sturdy axle Apr 23, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Thanks a lot

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@gilded valley are you familiar with right-tab stops on Google Docs?

gilded valley Apr 23, 2020, 1:33 PM

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No, I've only used Google docs for more basic stuff. Anything complex I do in Word

sturdy axle Apr 23, 2020, 1:47 PM

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Anybody familiar with right-tab stops in Google Docs? Having issues just trying to put my experience dates on the right side of my resume.

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:16 PM

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Ok. Where are you located?

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:22 PM

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30 million people have filed for unemployment in the US

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about 10% of the population

arctic whale Apr 23, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Is discord BOT a good project to add to your resume ?

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:24 PM

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the unofficial number is 20% unemployment rate in the US

white karma Apr 23, 2020, 4:25 PM

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@arctic whale I don’t see why not

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Bick ok?

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IT unemployment in US is very regional

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In my area, recruiters won’t leave me alone

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But it’s not very Travel focused area

white karma Apr 23, 2020, 4:36 PM

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What’s your area?

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If you don’t mind me asking

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:47 PM

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it’s not ok because a lot of people who are unemployed are having trouble finding jobs (me) and people who work in industries that are highly effected by the recession are becoming unemployed

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it’s also a concern because when the official unemployment stats come out in 2 weeks the whole stock market is going to shit the bed

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we’re talking 2008 losses

white karma Apr 23, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Might be good to look for an essential job while keeping your skills sharp on the side

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Least until this all blows over

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:51 PM

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I’ve applied for so many jobs, haven’t heard back yet. I do have 1 job that I might have but it’s going to require me to relocate 400 miles away

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Coldwind, Mid Atlantic US

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 PM

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I’m northeast USA

white karma Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Mid Atlantic?

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Like the Carolinas?

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 PM

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NY, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, etc

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 PM

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📎 2Q.png

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 PM

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next to new england

white karma Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Ah

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Never heard the term before

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:53 PM

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@shadow moss do you live near Philly?

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:53 PM

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no

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:53 PM

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dang

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that’s where i’d be relocating

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I'm luckily secure in my job

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:53 PM

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where do u work?

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:53 PM

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but I'm done with it after all this blows over

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I don't disclose that since I don't want people annoying me

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it's not FAANG or MS

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:54 PM

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what do you do for work

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I'm Site Reliability Engineer or as my sysadmin friends tell me, wannabe developer or as developers tell me, overpriced sysadmin

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:55 PM

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how do u get into that?

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 4:56 PM

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moved from sysadmin to sysadmin who writes Powershell to, welcome aboard, here is Powershell/Python and developers who hate you

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 4:57 PM

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nice

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I’ve always done front end development, I’ve worked for a few agencies doing it with WordPress, but i’ve started to get into Django. Dream job is to be a product manager / developer

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not sure how to get there though sadcowboy

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 5:02 PM

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Product Manager and Developer are two major changes

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So, Django would be useless for us

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not saying it's bad, but learning JS would be good

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alot of modern Front Ends are JS nightmares with backends being JSON Rest calls

old ermine Apr 23, 2020, 5:23 PM

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hey guys

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on a scale of 1-10, how hard is it to get a cs job after graduating from a normal college?

limber rampart Apr 23, 2020, 5:37 PM

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I think many fresh graduates are highly valuable to companies, but some not so much - it depends on how much they've been able to learn

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For many companies having a degree is a basic requirement, but whether you're an interesting candidate will be decided based on other things

mild zenith Apr 23, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Extra curriculars, other projects you've done, any previous work experience, etc.

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Those all add up and can make a resume shine

vapid jay Apr 23, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Any of you work from home?

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 6:01 PM

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right now yes

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normally no

vapid jay Apr 23, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Is it hard to get work from home normally?

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 6:12 PM

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@shadow moss i was referring to product manager / product developer, not a developer. i'm looking at development as a way to get there

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 6:13 PM

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the path to that is not through developer

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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Really? I know companies don't hire inexperienced product managers, so it's best to try to get promoted within, my thought process is you start as a dev and kinda work your way up through management. You know, since you know development you'd have an understanding of how it works and how to sell etc

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Most of our Product Managers are those with certs or like

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and devs can be negative because most of product management is pretty Powerpoint/answering emails

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it's very very paper pusher job

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 6:27 PM

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ah yes exactly what im looking for

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sounds like my dream job

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why do i have to be unemployed in the middle of a pandemic

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Snow, generally it's not easy

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it's easier to start in office then transition to WFH

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then get remote job to start

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:18 PM

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@abstract spindle Just fyi my company is actively hiring right now and we are booming because of the pandemic. Nice Incontact .

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:18 PM

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@uncut canopy if only i lived close to there 😢

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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We are fully remote usually.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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I used to use Nice at my old job!

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that

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that's pretty cool

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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I just got promoted from the noc to full stack SRE. my promotion came with full remote.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:19 PM

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i dont remember exactly the same but the same sounded sexual

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i cant remember the product

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nice something

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NICE ROD

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that's what it was

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:20 PM

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We have 36 product lines with like 100's of IP. Most people use Cxone or Engage.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:20 PM

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I'll look on the site and try to apply for something

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Its a great place to work but then again i was an operation contractor turning noob dev. So go figure i think its nice lol.

pallid compass Apr 23, 2020, 9:20 PM

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Work experience is key. Just get into the industry.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:20 PM

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well nothing i can do, i dont live near utah

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I have work experience

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2 years front end web developer experience 🙂

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Half my team is in florida... hired out of SLC. Via remote interview.

pallid compass Apr 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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look for entry level work

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Heck im moving to Florida lol Wife is from there and wants to go home.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:21 PM

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Yeah, entry level is hard, seems like everyone is entry level. I'll apply for a job and there will be over 100+ candidates

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http://jobs.jobvite.com/incontact/job/oCPObfwa this is right up my ally

NICE inContact is looking for a great Front End Developer.

NICE inContact makes it easy and affordable for organizations around the globe to provide exceptional customer experiences while meeting key business metrics. NICE inContact provides the world’s No. 1 cloud customer experience platform, NICE inContact CXone™, combining best-in...

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http://jobs.jobvite.com/incontact/job/oKHmcfwJ this too

NICE inContact is looking for a great QA Engineer I.

NICE inContact makes it easy and affordable for organizations around the globe to provide exceptional customer experiences while meeting key business metrics. NICE inContact provides the world’s No. 1 cloud customer experience platform, NICE inContact CXone™, combining best-in...

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:24 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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Need dev ops engineer and SRE's as well.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:24 PM

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yeah i saw those, these 2 are jobs i'm qualified for

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Cool.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:25 PM

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i'll look at dev ops

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nvm

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Dev ops is hard core. But worth so $$$ and fun to do from what I have seen.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:25 PM

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i would love to but i dont have 5 years of experience writing python

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but i do have 5 years in git

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:25 PM

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I REALLY like SRE so far. Though to be very honest, and like I told the manager who gave me a chance at it , I am coming into it backwards.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:25 PM

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i've been doing web development as a hobby for about 8 years

inner wrenBOT Apr 23, 2020, 9:26 PM

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Hey @abstract spindle!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.pdf). We currently allow the following file types: .3gp, .3g2, .avi, .bmp, .gif, .h264, .jpg, .jpeg, .m4v, .mkv, .mov, .mp4, .mpeg, .mpg, .png, .tiff, .wmv, .svg, .psd, .ai, .aep, .xcf, .mp3, .wav, .ogg.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:26 PM

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though i'd love to do dev ops

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sre would be awesome too

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:27 PM

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Put together a portfolio of your side work and present it as part of the interview process. Talk it up and be honest during the recruiter call. See if they like it. Not like you will lose anything by being honest and showing interest.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:27 PM

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https://github.com/bick

GitHub

bick - Overview

bick has 6 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:30 PM

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So anyway, random good deed attempt out of the way, i had a question relating to my new position and was hoping there was someone with SRE or high level Dev experience who could answer my question.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:33 PM

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If it asks if it's an employee referral and it asks for a name, can I use yours funny

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:35 PM

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NIC has an interesting culture where people have been there for on average 15-20 years. Sadly, I carry 0 with the developers where you will be applying. I am well known in the Operations side. Basically, in this case I wouldn't help your chances at all.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:35 PM

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What department would be helpful? Like sales?

uncut canopy Apr 23, 2020, 9:35 PM

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R and D

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those guys live in a lil bubble that everyone wants to keep nice and snuggle for them. 😄

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TBH they are a super helpful bunch.

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:37 PM

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potatoheart

📎 Screen_Shot_2020-04-23_at_5.37.11_PM.png

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I am also applying for the QA Engineer job which is in the R&D section

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Ah wait that's in bolivia

vapid jay Apr 23, 2020, 9:44 PM

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How long does it take to be confident to call yourself a Python programmer?
(In terms of projects or years or any other scale)

I feel like no matter how much I learn it will never be enough, it's all very overwhelming

abstract spindle Apr 23, 2020, 9:46 PM

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I mean technically if you can write basic Python you're technically a Python programmer, but if you're talking in terms of getting a job, I'd say when you understand the basics of it enough to write a simple program you could try and apply for entry level jobs

white karma Apr 23, 2020, 10:03 PM

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That’s good to know

shadow moss Apr 23, 2020, 10:48 PM

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Berrystorm, I’m SRE

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 12:02 AM

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build a portfolio

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build up some proof you know what you’re doing

vapid jay Apr 24, 2020, 12:24 AM

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uni sometimes is a good foothold, my course has a year internship for the 3rd year so will either have enough experience there or get offered a job for after degree

vapid jay Apr 24, 2020, 12:54 AM

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No, you need to do more than just put things built from the book "Automate the Boring Stuff"

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You have to put in projects you intend to be relevant or specialized to your job, perhaps Raspberry Pi programming? Django?

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Maybe demonstrate knowledge of most of the basic/preferred libraries and even combine some of those into various projects?

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So like PWS354 was saying. except you may want to build an app from Django, ElasticSearch, some client side caching library (can't remember the name atm), and perhaps numpy + pandas. But as PWS said, it should be tailored to what you're pursuing.

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 1:02 AM

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@uncut canopy

Heck im moving to Florida lol Wife is from there and wants to go home.

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god no

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Florida is a horrible place

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unless you old. then I guess its fine

uncut canopy Apr 24, 2020, 1:05 AM

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@mint citrusHer father made me promise when he gave me his permission that I would move us there. So.. I kinda gave my word. While dating she took me to St.Augustine and Webster I loved it in comparison to Utah. I'm remote and intend to stay as such so aug is perfect. Got married there too. Been there maybe ... 3 months straight at a time to get a feel for it.

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 1:05 AM

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north FL is ok i guess

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just dont ever go past palm beach

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it gets exponentially worse

uncut canopy Apr 24, 2020, 1:09 AM

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So funny you say that...

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We shouldnt side track this channel any further lol nvm.

uncut canopy Apr 24, 2020, 1:51 AM

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While I cannot speak to Python, I can speak to Powershell. For me, I started from nothing a year and a half ago. I was doing it everyday 8-10 hours a day. I passed an intense job interview on the subject 9 months into using/learning it with a result of " He knows it fairly well" Of course your mileage may vary with many many factors.

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 2:03 AM

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@vapid jay imo best way to learn is come up with your own idea to make something and do it

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also maybe contribute to opensource projects you use. if you use something and think something can be improved, then improve it an make a pull request

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Interviews make me nervous

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I want to try and get into full stack development. I’ve been a front end dev professionally for 2 years, but Python is just amazing. It’s like I made the language myself

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 2:54 AM

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weirdly I've enjoyed most of my interviews

ripe stump Apr 24, 2020, 3:19 AM

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What does the applied machine learning and theoritical ML means ?

small geode Apr 24, 2020, 3:25 AM

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@ripe stump in a gist, applied ML refers to people like myself who are the engineers that use tools such as tensorflow, pytorch, pandas, numpy, etc., understand the concepts of ML, and at least have a base-level understanding of our algorithms of choosing and the math going on.

theoretical ML are the mad men that have a full grasp of these algorithms, potentially even made one of their own, and are massively well-versed in the mathematics behind it all.

ripe stump Apr 24, 2020, 3:27 AM

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@small geode how and what should I study to learn applied ML. Please Help .

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How much math and how much of an algorithm should I know?

small geode Apr 24, 2020, 3:29 AM

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it's a large list to get into my man. you'll want to have a decent understanding of linear algebra and be able to at least somewhat decipher the formulas behind these algorithms (you get used to it eventually). you'll really just need to understand how AI work in general, differences between supervised, unsupervised, and reinforcement learning. why sometimes linear algorithms can do a job better than a neural network depending on your data, etc. the list can go on

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and honestly you'll want to know as much about an algorithm as possible but i personally just learn it until i understand how it's handling my data

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my general rule of thumb is if you can explain it to a five year old, you probably know it okay-ish

ripe stump Apr 24, 2020, 3:31 AM

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ok that makes sense

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPLop4L2eGk&list=PLLssT5z_DsK-h9vYZkQkYNWcItqhlRJLN

YouTube

Artificial Intelligence - All in One

Lecture 1.1 — What Is Machine Learning — [ Machine Learning | Andre...

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what about this videos of Andrew Ng?

small geode Apr 24, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Andrew Ng is a wonderful source if you want to follow his instruction, yes

ripe stump Apr 24, 2020, 3:32 AM

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He didn't talked about deeper math

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in this course

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but in class of Stanford He talked about a lot of math

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and thats why I am confused

small geode Apr 24, 2020, 3:33 AM

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you want math, yes

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it helps a lot in understanding these algorithms

ripe stump Apr 24, 2020, 3:34 AM

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So I should follow both coursera and stanfords videos?

small geode Apr 24, 2020, 3:34 AM

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if you'd like, sure

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coursera first for a lighter introduction, stanford for the in-depth

ripe stump Apr 24, 2020, 3:36 AM

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okay, I thought coursera course was enough for applied ML.

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Now I will watch stanford's too

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 3:53 AM

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@radiant moon yeah, i enjoy interviews up until it’s time for me to show them my skills, like code in front of them or write code on a white board lol

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then i just get insecure

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 3:53 AM

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yep, it's awful

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when I'm on the other side of the table in that situation (i.e., doing the interviewing) I try to put the candidate at ease

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 3:54 AM

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i had an interview for a data architect position at a local startup, oof i fumbled that so badly. i was so embarrassed

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granted i’m not a data architect but hey they interviewed me

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Btw in terms of backend Python development, what would you think your comfort level should be before you start trying to get a job?

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 3:56 AM

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funny you should ask 'cuz I'm a backend guy

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depends on the company of course. But it can't hurt to be aware of scale -- what would you need to do to handle 10 requests/second, 100, 1000, a million

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fault tolerance too

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also it'd be good to know how to use Azure, or AWS, or Google Cloud platform, or any of those

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 3:57 AM

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I am very very familiar with AWS and GCloud

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especially G cloud

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 3:57 AM

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"know how to use" meaning "have some experiene with"; those are ginormous products that cover a huge range

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 3:58 AM

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yep i’ve used a lot of google cloud’s products

lament pawn Apr 24, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Does aws work well for smaller companies in terms of cost ?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 3:58 AM

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yes

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 3:58 AM

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@abstract spindle if you have a clue about scale, and have built something > a few hundred lines, start applying now

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 3:58 AM

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oh sweet okay

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i will then

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 3:58 AM

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are you still in school?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 3:59 AM

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@lament pawn absolutely, it’s free for the first year*. Even after the year, the cost is worth it. AWS can be a little more expensive than Google but you don’t get AWS because it’s cheap, you get it because it’s great

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 3:59 AM

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and btw, not all backend jobs are all about scale.

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it's just a good thing to know

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:00 AM

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@radiant moon I’m in college yeah, but I’ve been working full time while in school

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:00 AM

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I like AWS but I will say it can be very hard to figure out what it's gonna cost

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Debating on switching my major

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:00 AM

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it's generally reasonable, but complex

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:00 AM

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to a more computer-focused degree

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:00 AM

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@abstract spindle ok if you're still in school try for internships

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:01 AM

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I’m in school part time, I usually try to get entry level jobs

lament pawn Apr 24, 2020, 4:01 AM

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so for smaller applications are regular servers better?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:01 AM

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@lament pawn depends on the application, but if it’s a simple application sure

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use Digital Ocean or Heroku

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:01 AM

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heroku is pretty slick

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:01 AM

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Heroku is the best infrastructure to use

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Digital ocean is more here’s a server do what u want with it

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I think their business plan was something like: "Like AWS but comprehensible to normal humans"

lament pawn Apr 24, 2020, 4:02 AM

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How do i get an overview of these technologies and what are its applications?

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:02 AM

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(I know a guy who used to {maybe still does} work there; that's how he described it)

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Digital Ocean you’re just getting a linux ~~vps~~ cloud server

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:02 AM

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How do i get an overview of these technologies and what are its applications?
@lament pawn that ... is imho amazingly difficult

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for AWS anyway, they have so many goddamned products, it's hard to tell which you might want to use

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and all their web sites are in enterprise-marketing-speak

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:03 AM

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AWS are one of those companies where applications will looo like they’re the same as eachother but it’s very small intricacies that make them different

lament pawn Apr 24, 2020, 4:03 AM

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i understand what a linux vps is but the cloud i dont understand the whole cloud terminology

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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What’re you trying to do for work?

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Cloud is a VPS server with fall back

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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I bet there are thousands of people who make a comfortable living, just showing developers which cloud services to use

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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ah yes i’m a consultant

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😉

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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"The Cloud" is basically: useful services that you access over http

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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that’ll be $150 an hour for this conversation

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:04 AM

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there's a zillion kinds

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aws has maybe half a dozen databases

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they have a thing kinda like github

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I think they have something that does deployents to large fleets

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:05 AM

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but the thing to realize is AWS is used by 100 different types of companies, so certain products might work for mobile apps and others might not

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they’re just trying to make products for everybody and every use case

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:05 AM

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of course they have EC2 which is like digital ocean: "here's a server do what you want"

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oh yeah they have a bunch of mobile stuff.

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they have speech recognition

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they have, I swear to God, something for running a chain of satellite ground stations; don't ask me why

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they have a pile of "run your web site in our cloud" products

lament pawn Apr 24, 2020, 4:06 AM

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what is s3 i have heard of people using it in python applications?

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:06 AM

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that's storage

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basically, you upload a file via http; it hangs around forever

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:06 AM

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How much does your degree dictate in the working world? I always see computer science degrees as what companies want but do they really care if you’re experienced?

lament pawn Apr 24, 2020, 4:07 AM

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file storage like google drive?

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:07 AM

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we care about experience, and not at all about educatin

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:07 AM

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they care if you are experienced

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:07 AM

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@lament pawn S3 is cloud storage. you can use it to store static assets like css files, images, etc etc

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:07 AM

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but I'm speaking as an engineer; it's possible you need the degree to get HR to pass your resume on to us 😦

small geode Apr 24, 2020, 4:07 AM

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^^^ experience or your degree is your only chance

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:07 AM

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oh yeah thats true but not always the case

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:07 AM

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I’m about to finish my degree in business angerycry

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:08 AM

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if you have a degree and 0 experience you will have a really hard time

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:08 AM

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that's fine

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:08 AM

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go do things while you in school

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internships, or your own projects

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do something

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:08 AM

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I have 2 years of front end web developer experience at 2 agencies

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:12 AM

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all a CS degree does is get your foot in the door easier

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also helps getting jobs in other countries

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like if you want to work in another country, go get a degree

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:12 AM

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Hopefully my previous 2 years of experience will help me out if applying to full stack jobs. I’m just insecure about it, I don’t wanna go in and not know enough sadcowboy

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:12 AM

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thats fine

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:13 AM

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What would your expectations be for an entry level python dev?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:13 AM

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we always go into things not knowing enough

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I got hired last year as "mobile application developer"

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and Ive never published a mobile app in my life

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:13 AM

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did you at least know some swift tho

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:13 AM

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I did fool around with it on my own time tho

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:13 AM

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/ java

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:13 AM

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nope

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:13 AM

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@abstract spindle if I were you I'd grit my teeth and apply anyway. Worst that can happen? You'll waste an afternoon (and the time you spent prepping) and feel kinda bad for a while. But that's the worst.

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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I know java but i dont use it

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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how did that turn out for you?

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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who, me?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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@radiant moon yeah luckily i’m not a complete noob, i have a good understanding

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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I got stuck writting an ecommerce website 🤣

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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omg

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nice

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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not nice really

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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shopify is your friend

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:14 AM

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i want to get out of this job. the people have no idea what they want

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they want me to build it from scratch

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:15 AM

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sounds like it’s time to say adios once the recession is done

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:15 AM

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cause they dont want to pay any money

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its really dumb

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:15 AM

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do they not understand that no matter what they’re gonna have to pay for a server?

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just use shopify, it’s $30 a month

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:15 AM

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well... they think running bare metal and paying 3 times the price is the right way to do it

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shrug

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I got them on AWS after long convincing

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:16 AM

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we’ll see how long that lasts after the year expires

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:16 AM

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its a big company

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:17 AM

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is it a tech company or a company that is just investing into some tech?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:17 AM

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so the $30 a month wont cut it

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its not a tech company at all

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:17 AM

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ah that’s too bad

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companies that aren’t tech focused in any way can be a challenge for sure

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:17 AM

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well when I joined i was hoping they at least knew the basics

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but they dont

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:18 AM

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working at an agency means i always worked with clients who didn’t know squat about tech but felt they knew everything

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:18 AM

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I could go on about so many things that are just wrong in the IT deparment but that would be offtopic

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yeah thats why I never want to work at an agency

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:18 AM

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yeah after 2 agencies they’re not for me

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:18 AM

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I did freelancing for a while and quit doing for exactly that reason

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:18 AM

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i get too frustrated with clients

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the first time i said eh maybe it’s just this agency, the owner is kinda dumb

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nah it’s all agencies

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:19 AM

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they all want the same thing really

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and for me it just got boring

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:19 AM

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they don’t push back against the client enough and the client ruins a great design / project because of their incompetence

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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at least at an agency you work in a team with all the requirements right?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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olus we’d be so swamped with work we didn’t have time to care about projects so sites were buggy and didn’t work that well

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and we half assed

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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like... where im now its just me

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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Depends. Usually we were alone

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very rarely i worked in groups

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:20 AM

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im supposed to build an ecommerce site from scratch all by myself

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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hire me i’ll do it

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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yeah do it from scratch so no shopify

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no woocommerce

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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ah shit

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:21 AM

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and work with DB2

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and manage servers, ssl, build up kubernetes

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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excuse me

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db2

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why

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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yes

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idk man

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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there’s so many better options

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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boss keeps calling it oracle

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but its DB2

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its where all their products are

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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oracle
db2

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:22 AM

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was prob there for the past 20 years

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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i have used db2 once and i cried into my keyboard

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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there is just a lot of old stuff

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oh what I do is i extract data from DB2 and put elsewhere

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using elasticsearch for searching products

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Elastic search is pretty good

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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I aint dealing with DB2 at all except to get data

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:23 AM

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Algolia is great

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:24 AM

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idk that

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:24 AM

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it’s an elastic search competitor

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it’s pretty solid

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:24 AM

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is that like the new hipster thing on the block?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:24 AM

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it’s more developer friendly

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better documentation and API

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:24 AM

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its not free tho

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:24 AM

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no it is not

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$30 a month

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:25 AM

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oh they have a "community" version

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ES is free

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(if you host it yourself that is)

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:25 AM

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yeah it’s not bad

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i still like elastic search

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:25 AM

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yeah it really is nice

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can get quite complicated tho

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and just fails to work in dockerswarm

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but alas we use AWS now so our shit is managed. dont have to worry about it

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:26 AM

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Yeah for sure, my stack always was: Ubuntu, Nginx, WordPress, MariaDB, PHP, SCSS, and Docker

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but i’ve been recently getting into Django so that has completely changed

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:26 AM

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i dont use python much

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mostly just small things. Im creating my first web thing with python actually

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with starlette

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https://dont-do-it.today/

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what im working on

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:28 AM

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I’ve always had a hard time with programming, my brain never really got it except for PHP. C# and Javascript are 2 languages i’ve struggled with, but Python is very similar to PHP in how it’s written so it’s been great. It clicks with my brain so well

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:28 AM

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eventually it wont make much of a difference what language

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:28 AM

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i won’t do today
masturbate for third time

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:28 AM

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im doing stuff in Dart (Flutter) for the mobile app at work

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yeah well i don't have a filter currently

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:29 AM

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What platform is the app?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:29 AM

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A_Eyess_DF

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oh its a react app hosted via netlify

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DB is airtable

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:29 AM

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like is it gonna be on iOS?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:29 AM

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oh the app

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its both

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:29 AM

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nice

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:29 AM

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flutter does for iOS, Android, (and web)

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but im not doing the web in flutter

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:30 AM

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How long have u been with ur current company?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:30 AM

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about 1 year

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:30 AM

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damn

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:30 AM

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and I cant wait to jump ship

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:30 AM

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I’ve had horrible luck in the past year

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i’ve gotten fired 4 times in the past year emnudge

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:30 AM

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damn son

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thats not good

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ive never been fired

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ive always quit

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wait.. I was "let go" from my first job after uni cause they ran out of money paying too much for servers

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:31 AM

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it’s been really tough

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:31 AM

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and ignored my advice to stop using quickbase

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:31 AM

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It’s been the hardest year of my life

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:31 AM

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it must be hard

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:31 AM

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without a doubt

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:32 AM

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also with coronavirus right now

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:32 AM

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yeah that isn’t helping

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i’ll tell u what i did to get canned

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:32 AM

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man I got a reply from the company I wanted to work at here

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:32 AM

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and u can tell me if i just suck or it’s bad luck

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:32 AM

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but then the next day they announced hiring freeze

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:32 AM

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everyone says it’s bad luck but i don’t really believe them

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:32 AM

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what you do?

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thonkingintensifies

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:33 AM

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fired for yelling at an intern. i was her direct report and she was a spoiled rich kid and I gave her a very stern and loud talking to. she cried to my boss and threatened to quit, but her uncle was influential to the owner so he let me go to save face. That was my first agency job

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Took a temp IT job at a hospital. Was picked on by some asshole there until he got me fired for “being on my phone too much”. idk what i did i must’ve rubbed him the wrong way

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:35 AM

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maybe was scared you take his job idk

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:35 AM

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took a temp IT call center job at Liberty Mutual. I have no idea why I was fired, I just went into work and my badge wasn’t working and they gave me a box and told me to leave.

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:35 AM

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first one sounds like bad luck

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tbh im surprised im not fired from my current job

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lol @ #3

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:36 AM

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Moved an hour away from home to be a front end web developer at an agency. All was good until they fired an employee. then another. then another. All of a sudden, 25% of the work force was fired and replaced. I was then the next target and wasn’t given a reason except “it just didn’t work out”. had no issues, was just let go

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:36 AM

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oh some agencies do that I think to get new people on the teams

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its kinda shit

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:36 AM

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yeah, it was rough

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:36 AM

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so in order to stay you have to be like exceptional

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I heard you can learn a lot by working at an agency tho

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:37 AM

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i was freaking out a month in cuz they fired 2 people in the month. work environment was toxic, owner was a psychopath. administration lied to me all the time. everyone told me to quit because of all the red flags, but i was so desperate to keep a job i stayed until they fired me

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:38 AM

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did you save money?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:38 AM

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i had $4000 saved

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:38 AM

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should be alright for a month or 2

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Just finished burning through it

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:38 AM

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yikes

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Yep been unemployed for 2 months

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:38 AM

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ive been there myself

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:39 AM

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I like to think of it as a sabbatical

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:39 AM

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when I got let go from my first job after uni it was about 5 months

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tho I was in a different country so that prob had something to do with it >.>

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Yep, what makes it hard is before I could get hired because everyone had a job so the talent pool was thin. Companies were desperate

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:40 AM

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yeah companies have been desprate

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Well now a quarter of the country is unemployed so the talent pool is now massive and there’s so many great people who are far better than me applying for jobs

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:40 AM

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ive gotten both sides: "you arent good enough" "you are too good and expensive"

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:40 AM

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i haven’t hit the too good and expensive side yet lol

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Ive hit it a lot when I was looking for work in Germany

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mostly startups

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:41 AM

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So yeah, not sure what to do. I’m super anxious and insecure now because I can barely keep a job and now the job pool is massive it’s just tough

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I’ve considered relocating about 400 miles away for work

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:41 AM

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you just have to figure out a way to overcome this period cause of coronavirus

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:42 AM

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but then what? I get a job and get fired after 3 months again?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:42 AM

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just keep trying

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do whatever you can to keep the job for at least a year

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work extra if you have to even if its unfair

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:42 AM

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i try so hard, the last 2 jobs i worked my ass off and it wasn’t good enough

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i was the first one there and the last to leave

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went to all of their stupid ass seminars they did every few weeks

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:43 AM

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thats good but how much have you contributed is also important

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:43 AM

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did over time

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yet still fired

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with minimal reasoning

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:43 AM

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i think with you it just sounds like bad luck but again I dont know the full situation

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:44 AM

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makes me not feel comfortable working for someone because they’ll just fire me willt nilly you know

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yeah everyone has said that

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:44 AM

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try working for a smaller company

radiant moon Apr 24, 2020, 4:44 AM

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well you might quit willy nilly too

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:44 AM

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they dont fire as often

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:44 AM

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and who knows maybe it’s just atrocious luck but it’s hard to feel like i’m not the problem

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:44 AM

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partly because it would be expensive to fire

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:44 AM

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i mean who else is having this issue

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no one

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:44 AM

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im sure other people are

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many people arent even getting their foot in the door

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:45 AM

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if i’m doing something wrong i wish someone would tell me so i could improve

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but i haven’t had that

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angerycry

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working sucks

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:46 AM

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are you trying to improve yourself at work?

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within the months you were there, did you learn anything new? change how you work?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Absolutely. The last job I had I mostly was just anxious inside all day because i was scared of getting fired

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:46 AM

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how long did it take you to learn their codebase?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:47 AM

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I learned a lot there

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I learned more from my last job than i did any other job

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even in the 4 months. i was there i learned a ton

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:47 AM

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im sure you were fired cause of covid-19

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ive been hearing it from some friends I know

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:47 AM

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i was fired in early february, so no

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coronavirus wasn’t even a thought

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:48 AM

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agencies are not making any money rn

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:48 AM

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well yeah rn but not then

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:48 AM

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i knew about coronavirus since jan 1st

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but maybe cause i live closer

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:48 AM

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it was a 16 person agency, it wasn’t coronavirus

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which i mean it was fine there but i wasn’t super into it

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it was very much psycho manipulative owner drink the jungle juice type deal

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idk man i guess all i can do is try to get a job and just live in constant anxiety about getting fired until i finally find a place where i last more than 6 months

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:50 AM

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prob what you have to do

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in the time you are jobless try to work on your own projects

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then show that to the people who interview you

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so they can see you are constantly improving yourself

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it just looks good

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:51 AM

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yeah i have been

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:51 AM

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altho im sure they will ask and wonder why you switch jobs so often

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:51 AM

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i’ve been just improving my python skills everyday i can pretty much

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trying to get myself as ready as possible

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:52 AM

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have you learned any other stacks?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:52 AM

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im@a master at manipulating my resume to make me look better

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:52 AM

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devops might also be an area you can go into as well

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people are really looking

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:52 AM

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You would never know i’m bad at jobs if you saw my resume emnudge

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:53 AM

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tho for some reason I cant seem to land a devops job no matter how hard I try

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:53 AM

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i don’t know enough about dev ops

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never really looked into it

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I’ve always been big into making things

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:53 AM

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devops is making things

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:54 AM

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yeah i’ve looked into a few different stacks, but i’ve mostly done wordpress related stacks and django stacks

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:54 AM

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its making infrastructure and automating it

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:54 AM

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huh that’s pretty cool

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:54 AM

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yeah it really is

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:54 AM

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i’m gonna apply for a bunch of full stack jobs tomorrow

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:54 AM

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too bad I cant try out terraform properly 😦

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yeah you should do

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oh write cover letters too

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:55 AM

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i have great cover letters i’ve gotten a few compliments

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:55 AM

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tho now that I think about it all the jobs ive had I havent written a cover letter blobcatsweats

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:55 AM

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the hardest part is i’ve had 6 interviews in the past 2 months with 6 companies get cancelled cuz of the rona

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granted they were all sales jobs because i was thinking of doing sales for a minute

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:56 AM

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yeah man that is the hardest part

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im going through that as well

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as well as being offered half my current salary

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:56 AM

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I made $52,000 at my last job

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So anything more than that is a million bucks

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:57 AM

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more than i make

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but thats cause im in another country

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im hoping to go back to the US and get a proper salary

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:58 AM

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US pays well

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:58 AM

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but gotta wait for rona to be done

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yeah I know

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i made so much when I was living there

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should have never left

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tho I feel better that I did. its cray cray there now

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:58 AM

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I feel like internal visa applicants will have a harder time because companies don’t really want to sponsor visas

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:58 AM

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im a US citizen so I wont have any problems

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:59 AM

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oh well there u go

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do u have citizenship in other countries

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:59 AM

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just getting there and finding a job while being 12 timezones apart is a challenge

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ya in Germany

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:59 AM

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that’s pretty sweet

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:59 AM

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but im on Visa right now in Thailand

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 4:59 AM

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i know i’m like 50% german

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emnudge

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 4:59 AM

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sprechen sie deutsch?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:00 AM

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hold on let me google translate that

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:00 AM

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lol

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thats a no then

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Ich kann total Deutsch sprechen

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:00 AM

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suuurreee

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google translate sucks haha

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:00 AM

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23andme says i’m german lol

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German and British

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:01 AM

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well trying to get back on topic here..

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have you considered remote work?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:02 AM

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yes, i’ve applied for quite a few remote roles but haven’t had any interviews

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:02 AM

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idk if I get kicked for this but ive been using https://remoteok.io/

Remote OK

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tbh tho i havent gotten a job from them

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:02 AM

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i’ve been using we work remotely

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:02 AM

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I would do remote work if they would pay for my visa here

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but that not gonna happen

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😦

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:03 AM

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I’ve never left the country

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sadcowboy

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:03 AM

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you should do it

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at least for a vacation

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Yeah for sure I’m going to

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It’d be nice to experience other cultures

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:03 AM

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tho I can understand everythign is quite far from the US

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:03 AM

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and my true german heritage emnudge

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:03 AM

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except canada and mexico

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:04 AM

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the thing with the US is u just never get claustrophobic here since the US alone is just so massive

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:04 AM

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yeah it is huge

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:04 AM

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so i’ve never really felt the dying need to leave

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:04 AM

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I havent been to much places in the US tho

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:04 AM

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same

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Im getting the itch to travel right now

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ive been in one place for more than six months

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:05 AM

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Grew up in Maine so I’ve been to Boston and stuff and I’ve been to Florida and Vegas and California

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:05 AM

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blobcatsweats

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I grew up in FL

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worst place ever

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:05 AM

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oh i’m so sorry

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:05 AM

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yeah man

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so glad I got out of there

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:05 AM

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did you at least live near disney?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:05 AM

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finished college, spent 5 months saving, yeeted to Germany

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no no

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south Florida

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near Ft Lauderdale

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:06 AM

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oof

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that’s rough

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basically cuba

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:06 AM

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I tend to live in tourist areas

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First in south FL

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then Berlin

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now Bangkok

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i think ive had enough of tourists

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:06 AM

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Does the threat of China ever make you nervous?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:06 AM

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nah

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:07 AM

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they’d freak me out a lil

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:07 AM

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why?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:07 AM

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hong kong

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:08 AM

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what the riots

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?

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:09 AM

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them being authoritarian

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and going in there and fucking shit up

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and yeah the riots

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:09 AM

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well im not in hongkong

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so nothing to worry about haha

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:09 AM

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yes but china also wants taiwan

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big time

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:09 AM

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taiwan was fine too

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was there last year in Feb

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during chinese new year

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:10 AM

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i think i’d just be nervous of them taking over the government cuz the chinese government is a wee bit spooky

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:10 AM

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i dont think they could take over other gov

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like of other countries

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:10 AM

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they did in hong kong the government there is super corrupt and pro china

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:11 AM

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iirc china had some deal with hongkong and taiwan

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yeah thats different tho

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there were some deals going on

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and i mean... hongkong people are chinese

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they just separated the gov

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:12 AM

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yeah that’s all out of my pay grade

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international diplomatic relationships

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:12 AM

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yeah things I dont like to deal with

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immigration being one of them

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:12 AM

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i already got enough bullshit here

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:12 AM

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its been such a headache for me here with that

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:12 AM

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oh shit yeah they stopped all immigration here

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:12 AM

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yeah i know

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:13 AM

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does that include us citizens

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:13 AM

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so I had to postpone my coming to the US

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prob not

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but im planning to bring my GF

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:13 AM

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oof

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:13 AM

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so waiting for their immigration to open up again so we can marry in the US

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:14 AM

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yeah you’d definitely want to get married post rona

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wedding wouldn’t look good if everyone’s wearing masks and gloves

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:15 AM

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we would have a small wedding anyways

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im really debating if it would be OK to get married in Thailand and then move over

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:15 AM

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i’ve been debating on proposing to my gf

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but idk might wait a year or two

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:16 AM

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i proposed like a year ago

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:16 AM

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depends, if she gets married in the US won’t she get citizenship?

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:16 AM

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we still figuring out how to make it work

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no she wont

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:16 AM

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damn

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:16 AM

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she gets a visa to go to the US for 90 days (thats the time we have to get married)

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then she requests a greencard

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she still isnt a citizen tho

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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dang

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that’s a lot of paperwork

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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it makes sense tho

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oh man it is

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a shit ton

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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the US doesn’t make it easy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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also a good 2-3k for it all to get done

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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oof i didn’t know that

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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yeah its like 500 for the first packet of papers

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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paid $100 for a pass port and felt like my wallet was hurting

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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which basically approves you to apply for the visa

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then you gotta pay again for the actual visa

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then throw on top the fees for getting the visa and such

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:18 AM

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i know sweden is super expensive to get into to

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maybe it’s switzerland

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one of the 2

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it’s like $100k

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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I mean if you find work in another country thats the best way

abstract spindle Apr 24, 2020, 5:19 AM

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maybe it was new zealand

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i think it was new zealand

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i don’t think i’ll ever live outside the country unless i was rich, luckily america is big enough to not leave

mint citrus Apr 24, 2020, 5:20 AM

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you dont have to be rich to live outside the US

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you just gotta be able to take the big step