then a take home projects
#career-advice
naive zephyr
Great
I just saw your portfolio
Is very nice !
You have Chinese,did you learn it yourself?
neon needle
super inspiring for sure Dom
i may hit u up with some questions if u dont mind at some point
ashen summit
well i learned it in school, but most of the shit \
neon needle
can i add u to friends?
ashen summit
i learned by myself
it is always a mix of school and self study
yeah u can add me for sure
ashen summit
thanks first day is tomorrow so wish me luck
neon needle
you got it, believe in yourself its most of the battle
naive zephyr
I want to learn chainese by my self ,i tried but it so difficult 🥺
ashen summit
well i learned Japanese first, so idk if that made it easier for me
my wife is a chinese teacher, so i also have that nice resource
naive zephyr
Can i add you to friends too?🌝
ashen summit
sure
naive zephyr
Thanks ^
ashen summit
np! keep up the chinese if you have the time
naive zephyr
I will organize my time for that ,(development and Chinese)
Maan you made me so excited 😆
Which framework did you use in your portfolio?
naive zephyr
Yes
naive zephyr
Oh so I think it used Bootstrap as default framework 🤔
naive zephyr
Why did you use flask ,I think you didn’t need to backend for portfolio right?
Ih there us a blog
ashen summit
well I would suggest using a backend. it makes routing easier, also I use a SQLAlchemy database to store all of the portfolio items, and the testimonials
the blog got tanked in a server update
naive zephyr
🤔
naive zephyr
I tried django 🥺
ashen summit
you should definitely be familiar with both (imo)
naive zephyr
Yeah
ashen summit
although I do not love django, so I am more familiar with Flask
this convo may be better in a general section
indigo sleet
If you're using Flask and you need a ton of Flask extensions to do what you're doing
then you probably want to be using Django after all
otherwise Flask is fine, really
ashen summit
yes, Flask allows for customization of what you want in your project, which i prefer.
indigo sleet
You can certainly do that with Django as well
But if you're just reimplementing parts of a fully integrated system with Flask, then maybe you should be.. using a fully integrated system
ashen summit
perhaps.. this is also coming down to preference though, as I know more, and am more comfortable in FLask
indigo sleet
Yeah, I hear that
It took me ages to get used to Django
I think it's worth it, though
ashen summit
yeah I think it would be worth it to know both well too. I will see what my new job wants me to do and adjust accordingly
ornate flame
Hey all,
Have 2 years exp as python Dev. Mainly automation, scraping, bypassing limits, working with data etc. Did projects in django and Flask in free time.
Doing some open source.
Almost finished IT engineering studies.
I'm from Poland, my English is OK I guess?
Is there any chance to catch on full remote job?
Could you please recommend something, any tips, good source where to look?
I was the only guy coding python in company. Now I would like to work with team of pll which I could talk about solving stuff, getting feedback, have option to ask someone more experienced etc.
Halp 
karmic spear
if you want to work with a team, why do you look for remote then?
ornate flame
I have to change job, because inner company projects are closed.
Currently in my city it's lack of offers other than for seniors.
I emailed companies with resume and questions if will they have open positions soon, waiting for response.
I have limited time to find job so I started to looking for remote too. That's all.
obsidian acorn
@karmic spear working remote does not mean not working with a team. I just means that you are working remote. You may still need to be in morning scrum meetings, and/or collaborate with other team members on projects.
working remote, and working with a team are not mutually exclusive
@ornate flame do you have to remain in your location? are you opposed to traveling? you may increase you chances of finding an opportunity if you can relocate
ornate flame
@obsidian acorn unfortunately I can't relocate. I don't live in capital city but my city is one of the biggest one in my country.
From what I heard it's not the best part of year to look for a job, not sure if it's legit.
Thanks for your feedback, I'm glad that some companies work like this.
obsidian acorn
It is legit
what you have heard. I work for staffing company, and we have done an analysis of the market, in terms of hiring. Most new hires happen in the first 2 quarters, and significantly less hires in the 4th quarter.
It is not impossible, it is just harder to find positions in this time a year. But applying now, puts you a good chance of getting a position at the beginning of the next year
@ornate flame
ornate flame
I see so it's true.
That would be good idea if I would have more time. Currently I have Month and half.
@obsidian acorn
obsidian acorn
Well, keep on trucking man.
hushed kestrel
What kind of jobs are you applying for?
I am in a similar situation and I feel like I am only qualifies for 'automation engineering ' positions
ornate flame
I mean, It's depends, what do you want, need or life is forcing you to? :P
I want to learn a lot so I could create more stuff, I like solving problems, so I want to learn golang and js to have even more tools, that's all.
So I am able to apply to Backend Python or Python Dev then jump to Fullstack, It depends what company will need, im flexible to learn new stuff.
Apply where you will feel good doing stuff I think? Some talk or test during recrutation should verify if you are qualified enough.
Be honest with company and even more important yourself.
Hope It was somehow helpful @hushed kestrel
hushed kestrel
EH, it's all about the dollars for me. I am caught between being a small business owner and being a specialized engineer. I am already multi-disciplined with my knowledge of electronics/ embedded systems and some light project management. (Sales is something I need to work on If I go into business) I imagine right now I am trying to build as much capital as possible as quickly as possible, which suggests going jobs with a low money cap that are desperate for workers.
@ornate flame
ornate flame
Ahhhh, so we have different problems and needs. My priority is to get exp, money second still important but less than exp. In current part of life 🙂
hushed kestrel
yeah
I have 2 years from multiple jobs as a hardware engineer
One at airbnb and a startup which should be enough
I don't know how it's like applying to large corps or proving to them you have the skills they need. I'm much more focused on startups
haughty swan
hey people, do you know any good resources for an associate level analyst job interview?
tall reef
@haughty swan if I were you, I would narrow my job posting criteria on LinkedIn to get postings of analyst. It works well for me.
- specifying what kind of analyst you want to go for as well
haughty swan
i'm not searching for job ads if that's what you mean
i got an interview for something like software/product analyst, what they ask is a bit general
wanted to check some sample interview questions to refresh some stuff
tall reef
oh i see @haughty swan ... i thought glass door gave interview questions away?
haughty swan
@tall reef there are a few questions on glassdoor
but I'm not exactly sure what they're asking or what they'll be asking me - their job ad is a bit general
tall reef
yeah that happens. i guess you should be ready for anything. i remember someone being asked to program something using regex on the spot. that's just an example of something intense but it depends on the employer. for any kind of analyst stuff, i'll bet you should know some data science at least at a basic level.
good luck on the interview and congrats on getting it
haughty swan
do you mind if i pm you?
tall reef
nah go ahead
twilit steppe
Hey I’m 16 and looking to get an internship for a programming company what should I need to know for an interview ?
twilit steppe
Experience wise?
gilded valley
no, what country?
gilded valley
Ah sure. I don't know about the US specifically, but in the UK whats best is to just look for whats available, and then try to match your skills for what they're looking for
The main thing most companies will be looking for is enthusiasm and the willing/ability to learn
twilit steppe
Ok
gilded valley
rather than existing abiliity
twilit steppe
Ok what about the interviewing process
gilded valley
Generally again, companies won't be expecting you to have a huge amount of experience and will probably focus on the personality side of things. It would probably be good if you knew a bit about Linux and deployment of code, as well as some degree of programming knowledge. Probably mostly procedural stuff and basic data structures like lists
If you want to practice programming, it might be worth doing some problems on codewars
twilit steppe
I just got a raspberry pi, would that be a good place to start learning Linux
gilded valley
Yeah probably. Just do some random things on that that seem interesting to you
twilit steppe
I’m learning out of the heads first python book and I took some courses for it. I’m currently learning sets
gilded valley
Its probably worth looking around for oppurtunities already
twilit steppe
Do you think I’m ready?
gilded valley
Probably. If you get an interview, you can always practice a lot more beforehand.
And again, if you're missing something from the requirements, its worth trying to learn it
gilded valley
If you want to practice on that side of things, then doing some problems on Codewars is probably a good idea
twilit steppe
Ok
gilded valley
But I imagine places won't be looking for things like binary trees and graphs, or complex algorithms if you're 16
twilit steppe
Your true about that. I was hoping to get a summer job because I have school
How long does it take to learn Linux?
gilded valley
Again; they won't be looking for super advanced stuff. Just that you can maybe install Apache over SSH or something.
But that might not even be required, it depends on the specifics of where you're applying
twilit steppe
Ok thanks very much
neon needle
codewars? can anyone else vouch for that site is there a better site like that or is it a good one to use?
im looking for a site like that to practice a lot
lord knows i need it
wanna learn as quick as possible
is that even the fastest way to learn after getting the basics down can anyone comment on that
gilded valley
Codewars is good because it has a lot of easy problems
CodeSignal has the best user experience, imo
leetcode has the most standard problems and is one of the most popular
Kattis has some of the hardest problems
neon needle
whats ur opinion on learning how to code as quick as possible? learn the basics and then use one of those sites and build ur own programs?
obviously just immersion
gilded valley
I'm really not sure - thats probably a question better suited to #python-discussion . But my opinion is just pick something that seems very difficult and start trying to build it
working your way towards it bit by bit
solemn valley
if youre starting out to code you shouldnt set your targets too high yet I think, if youre learning a new programming language, like maybe your second or third or so, depending on how complex the language was made and how mature the eco system is you can probably scrap around everything together you want after a few days of learning + googling (wether its good by the quality measures of the people using the language is another question)
neon needle
alright i feel like im getting the hang of it and its only been like 5 days
just gonna keep grinding ty for the advice
hushed kestrel
"Learning to code as quickly as possible" Doesn't exactly make sense without a specific goal in mind @neon needle
"Learn how to manipulate excel files." can be done competently in just a few days
Learning to develop firmware for windows is something else completely.
neon needle
tru
twilit steppe
Hey @gilded valley trying to sign up on phone but when I go to select me language it refreshes and asked for it again and so on. Is it broken?
mint citrus
so the guy giving advice on careers now has a question
so ive been moving country to country. Had a job in the US for 6 months, moved to Germany, worked there for 2.5 years and now moved to thailand and working here planning to go back to the US in about 1-2 years. How does this look to the employer in the US? What should I prepare for my job hunt there?
halcyon plank
Hi there! Does any one know of a site where I can get an internship by writing articles on Python?
vast shoal
!site rules 9
inner wrenBOT
vast shoal
@pseudo wagon ^
pseudo wagon
My apologies
vast shoal
No problem.
quartz coral
Is Python 3.8 needs rewrite your code that is tested in 3.7?
indigo sleet
Try running it and see how it goes
karmic spear
you can find removed features in here: https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.8.html#api-and-feature-removals
other then that there should not be any breaking changes between 3.7 and 3.8
rare sand
all of these would have been throwing DeprectationWarnings for many python versions now, too.
so you probably would've noticed if you had any of these
hushed kestrel
anyone know how California's change of independent contractors affects hiring /
carmine ermine
Ontario student here. Just wondering if universities cover machine learning/deep learning in an Undergraduate computer science program
pulsar drum
IIRC I remember seeing unis offering a class or two on it.
I can't comment on how in depth they go though
unkempt cloud
I do Photography as a hobby, and am wondering if I should leave it off a resume or not... (HS Student).
fringe horizon
Add it if you're really good at it, and have realisations to show
gilded valley
As a high school student, stuff like that is worth including
fringe horizon
Yeah, basically anything is tbh
neon needle
my brother in the US said they barely cover AI
undergraduate isnt enough if you wanna get into that through traditional means
velvet kite
@sterile raptor Hello, I've removed your message because firstly, we are a Python server, but more importantly and ultimately, we do not currently allow recruiting on the server. Thank you for understanding.
!rule 10
inner wrenBOT
sterile raptor
Oh ok, no problem. Did not saw the part about commercial projects :)
velvet kite
It's also in the channel topic for this channel, just as a heads up
craggy wave
What do you mean by that, @hushed kestrel? Is there anything you'd like to discuss about our community's policies?
hushed kestrel
Absolutely not. I love my community rules and they love me
sterile raptor
lol 😄 that sounded like communism xD hehehe
craggy wave
Okay, if you unhappy about something, feel free to discuss it in #community-meta, though.
mild zenith
@pastel storm That's where the portfolio of projects would come in
pastel storm
oh ok gotcha
mild zenith
Open-source projects you've contributed to, hobby stuff you've created, etc.
pastel storm
out of curiosity; is it worth learning multiple languages
like is it better to be good at one or eh at alot
mild zenith
Personally I say yes, but only once you're really really comfortable with your first language
mild zenith
On one hand, you'll have a wider variety of tools to use and more varied approaches to how to solve a problem, on the other hand you'll be specialized.
I say comfort is when you are given a task and you're comfortable enough to know how to look up the documentation for what you'll need, know what kinds of questions to ask if you get stuck (because we all will get stuck once in a while, no matter how experienced we are), that kind of stuff
hushed kestrel
It depends on what kind of job you are looking for
pastel storm
@hushed kestrel honestly i'm just doing CS because thats how most of my physics friends get jobs
i mostly do nanoeng/nanochem atm
hushed kestrel
Hey ! I am a physics friend too
pastel storm
hey! what year?
hushed kestrel
B.S. + 5 years in the work force
pastel storm
holy shit
where do you work if I can ask
or what do you do rather
always curious what phys majors end up in
hushed kestrel
I am between jobs.
I just applied yesterday to a robotics company and they want me to do a second round of interviews
pastel storm
dope!
hushed kestrel
Physics majors tend to go into python for ease of use and do models/number crunching/filing reports
pastel storm
oh ok, ill stick to it then
in a bit of boring job atm so filling my team by learning python
hushed kestrel
Generally they don't learn hard comp-sci structures and tend to leverage their heavy math background to do statistics
Or ML
hushed kestrel
Saying what they typically do isn't the same as saying what you should do
You generally need some graduate qualification
pastel storm
i genuily think phys is the worst degree for finding a job
I go to a uni with a co-op program
hushed kestrel
Or you work as an RnD engineer for a number of years hopefully at a larger company
hushed kestrel
Physics isn't the worst degree .
hushed kestrel
Soo..in my experience
I can't tell if I am a straight white male who's tall, my demeanor, or my physics degree makes them automatically assume I have an air of competency
pastel storm
lol
im a tall white dude too
but idk just never got lucky
for my last job I did 60+ application
40 for phys labs
20 for chem labs
chem/nano labs*
got 0 interviews for physics
got 3 for chem
hushed kestrel
But people will give you more benefit of the doubt. When people ask you "Can you do x?" you say like a robot ."Yes." They say, how do you know? and you say "Because I learn things very quickly."
and people will believe you 70+% of the time
hushed kestrel
I suck at academic applications
hushed kestrel
but for those you are competing against the world of physics people trying to get in that is mostly based on your grades + letters of rec + internships + whatever letter you write for yourself
Where for jobs it is more: Personality + qualifications + demonstrated ability
pastel storm
yeah
hushed kestrel
2.0 bs degree = 4.0 bs degree
hushed kestrel
For your first hire it probably matters what your GPA is
hushed kestrel
No one has ever asked me in my 30+ interviews what my gpa was
pastel storm
i've done chem reasearch, nanochem, and petroleum eng
really?
i've been asked every interview
hushed kestrel
That's why
pastel storm
i guess
pastel storm
:/
hushed kestrel
:/
pastel storm
oh well
hushed kestrel
It gets easier
pastel storm
to be honest the reason I even started python is i've been watching Mr Robot and I thought coding seemed cool lol
turns out I dont even think you could hack in python
but im in it for the puzzles now
its fun to do challenges
gives me something to do at work
pastel storm
seems fun
hushed kestrel
Not auto processing data
pastel storm
for the Canadian goverment
hushed kestrel
Here is something that would be hard to do
Graph a scatterplot of effective sales call times for a company with 40 people.
pastel storm
oh shit I see
hushed kestrel
You track down everytime someone gets a sale and compare it against time of day and see when you make your money
Then you can arrange/shift schedules to maximize your bs
pastel storm
bet it would cool to find the answers out though
hushed kestrel
That literally could increase productivity by 5-15 %
Which would generate for a mid size company an extra 200-400 k in revenue easily a year
pastel storm
like i bet finding out 2:31 is statistically the best time to do a cold call is quite cool
pastel storm
rigjt
right*
Im pretty happy with my current eng job
it pays 18.25 cad an hour
first time ive ever been paid above minimum wage
since I started my undergrad i've been paid pennies
hushed kestrel
Technically it's more important to have the idea to model sales times and develop a business case + negotiating a bonus
only 1/5 of that process is actually python IMHO
hushed kestrel
'better' isn't a good word
pastel storm
paramount?
hushed kestrel
That's like a value judgment
You should say 'necessary'
It's a necessary condition but not sufficient
pastel storm
i've recently been trying to do that more for my code
hushed kestrel
Like in most businesses, the product only matters 15% of how well you do
pastel storm
i started just coding rediculously long programs and duct-taping everything together
ended up with 350 line codes
i've been trying to get into the habit of starting from scratch
hushed kestrel
Having a shitty product + good marketing >>> having a good product + shitty marketing
pastel storm
sadly lol
hushed kestrel
It's not sad, just the way it is
pastel storm
the talking aspect is probably wose
hushed kestrel
talking aspect?
hushed kestrel
Coding typically works through revision
pastel storm
id rather just do the shit I need to
I like to work my way
i'm a bit disorganized but it usually works out in the end
hushed kestrel
You write some code that is a spaghetti string prototype of what you want done
Then after you understand the way it looks, you refactor and simplify
This is true for any engineering process I think
pastel storm
mostly yeah
hushed kestrel
Organization is a skill. In my opinion organization is real engineering and shitting out code is just a byprodcut
pastel storm
lol
hushed kestrel
Organizing clears up exactly the necessary components and tells you exactly what you need to accomplish.
and it may even provide a roadmap to how to get threre
Then it's just your job to make/assemble the pieces
(I was taught design by documentation through an engineering professionalism class after college under a 30 year engineering consultant )
hushed kestrel
I'm a crazy person though
And I don't make as much money as my peers.
At least at the moment.
pastel storm
seems like a busy life
hushed kestrel
(I am not well suited for corporate jobs. I am still hoping for that dank huge entrepreneur payout)
pastel storm
lol
hushed kestrel
I keep myself busy. Developing good habits, setting goals, finding the pathway to achieve those goals and using your good habits to force yourself to pursue those goals while cutting unnecessary stuff out of your life is how you forward these things
marsh wind
@pastel storm @hushed kestrel hehe another physicist here
hushed kestrel
Lol
But on the other hand, I never go out to have fun at bars + with people +whatever
pastel storm
physics is a cult
hushed kestrel
it is
marsh wind
And yeah getting anything good in academia is super challenging and not super rewarding
hushed kestrel
And you should join
it depends on what you want out of life
You have to buy into the academic mythos to enjoy it
marsh wind
I am dropping physics in favor of data science and machine learning
pastel storm
i debated going into materials nanoscience
hushed kestrel
That's solid state physics, right?
hushed kestrel
You can do new materials research or work at semi-conductor foundry companies
marsh wind
Tell me about it 😂
hushed kestrel
My brother who was getting his PHD was like "It's getting kicked in the balls every day."
Basically it's studying 10 hours a day + every day
Which is insanely difficult compared to working 10 hours a day
marsh wind
It's not actually studying..
pastel storm
its worse
its fucking researching
its so soul sucking
you look into the TAS eyes and they're dead
marsh wind
More like working/researching for miserable pay
Often overnight
Defo over weekends especially close to any deadlines
Or defenset
Cause supervisor doesn't have s sense of time/deadlines or measure
pastel storm
they all look so tired
marsh wind
TAS ?
Research itself is not bad. I quite enjoyed it. But all bs that comes along with it... No thanks
gilded valley
Have a look at what is required for jobs you'd like to have
neon needle
That wasn’t my question
Can anyone answer it?
I am new to programming and find the creative solving problem aspect fun
I’ll enjoy any aspect of it but at the same time I’m gonna need to get in on the ground floor and web design is generally thought of as that am I wrong?
vast shoal
I think you should learn both.
I'd be wary of hiring someone who was like "Oh yeah, I'm a Django dev, I don't do Flask"
neon needle
So if that is the case what should I focus on
vast shoal
They both solve the same problem, so there's a lot of overlap in the knowledge base.
neon needle
If someone came to u and said I’m getting ahold of the syntax and wanna focus on a few frameworks for anything with python what would u point them to @vast shoal
For most employable
And most in demand
vast shoal
I personally don't like this mindset in general. Frameworks come and go. How familiar you are with a particular one is less important than how good a developer you are, and how quickly you can learn and get up and running with something new.
Someone can have 3 years of Django experience but be generally incompetent anyway.
They are gonna be a less valuable employee than a recent graduate who learns quickly, innovates and takes their own initiative.
neon needle
Ya I agree but this is not how employers look at things
vast shoal
But I mean, if you wanna study a web framework for practice, go with Django.
neon needle
Right
vast shoal
You can probably pick up Flask easily on the fly if you're familiar with Django
Take a look at both
Compare them
neon needle
Also if u get good at a framework ur also just getting better at coding no? And at the same time learning a in demand framework makes U instantly more hirable
Idk that’s how I see it
U need to focus on something
Now ur making me question myself on what to do
vast shoal
Yes, of course. What I'm saying is, go ahead and study Django, but just don't limit yourself to that.
There's no reason why you can't learn multiple frameworks.
But if you don't know what to do right now, go for Django, that's fine.
neon needle
No I don’t plan on it
I wanna get into ML and deep learning at some point but I just want to be able to get good at some attainable in the next year or so that is also popular and companies are hiring for
I’ve read ai a modern approach
vast shoal
That's fine. Never hurts to know some webdev. It's useful for presentation and user interfaces for other types of systems anyway.
neon needle
Okay what do u work as? And what did u learn when first starting
Does going to uni teach u in a different way
I wanna be well rounded but it’s like so many choices u know
I think I’m gonna learn flask and Django
vast shoal
I'm currently building an online payment system with Google app engine backend.
I've built stock exchanges in the past, in Java.
neon needle
Do u even use a framework for that or do u just start from scratch
Also that sounds pretty dope
vast shoal
App engine is a framework, basically. And a cloud platform.
Does uni teach you in a different way from what?
neon needle
Okay well now I’m even more confused tbh
Web dev seems like the best way to break into the Industry and is also in good demand so I think I’ll just stick with that unless I’m wrong and u wanna point me somewhere else
vast shoal
Sounds like a plan
neon needle
Idk I’m self taught I was just wondering the way they built ur knowledge base
vast shoal
You will learn a lot of useful things, and you will be able to build useful things too.
neon needle
I’m reading textbooks and watching highly rated videos online from open source uni classes like Harvard mit etc
vast shoal
Uni is like a package of theoretical knowledge in a lot of different subjects. There's very little focus on individual technologies and frameworks. At least in my experience.
neon needle
Hmm okay
vast shoal
You use frameworks sometimes, but it's mostly just as a medium to teach you some more general concepts.
neon needle
Like a web dev class that’s just general
vast shoal
Most advanced courses let you pick your own programming language for example
Yeah, well, networking anyway
And user interfaces
Rather than web dev
neon needle
Okay how do they pick a language or do different professors use different languages and u need to learn like 2 or 3
Last question sorry
I’m probably bothering u
vast shoal
No, no worries
I just have to shift focus sometimes
I mean, in advanced courses, the problem specification is rarely language-dependent
So they let you implement your solutions in whatever language you prefer
Maybe they give examples in one particular language, and provide support in that language
But if you can manage on your own in your own preferred language, that's fine
neon needle
I see that’s cool thanks for taking the time to answer my novice questions
I’ll get back to reading and learning
neon needle
Okay I probably will have some lol
Thanks again
vast shoal
👍
jolly saddle
olive axle
Lol, what jobs comes with knowledge in python?
hushed kestrel
You can easily do automated report writing which would give you basically a 50-60k job wherever you go
For me I am doing hardware engineering with python (Electronics and shit)
Go into web dev with flask an django
Go into data science with ML
computer vision
deep learning
wanton rivet
Hey Dementati what would be the most valuable entry level job with python i should aim for ?
hushed kestrel
Generate reports
and help companies migrate their inventory from using excel sheets (if they even use excel sheets and note notepad files or w/e)
Most of small business owners spend 10-15 hours a week + doing paperwork
eh
maybe 5-10 hours
Giving high effective people more time allows the business to grow and that is where your worth lays
Setting something up likew
"Just enter how much stuff you used today , and my sheets will take the average use and price out how much we should order in the future."
There are a lot of QA jobs where you organize databases or pull data using sql that are out there
probably takes less than 2 months to learn and gives you a 40-100k job depending if you are working in a city or not
vague echo
have anyone left their country to work abroad here ?
I'm actually looking for a 6 months internship abroad (I'm from France)
hushed kestrel
here as in where?
vague echo
like in US/ Canada, England for example
and I want to know if it's hard to make a visa to work in montreal for example
if anyone lives in europe
I'm actually interested in any countries
like Germany, Ireland, Australia...etc
hushed kestrel
I'm an american slob 😦
gilded valley
Internships aren't too difficult to find in the UK if you're from the EU
vague echo
thanks
vague echo
I actually can get a sponsor too for US
if anyone has good websites where I can apply for internships please tell me 🙂
naive zephyr
You want online right?
olive axle
Wait, automated job reports? That sounds like fun to set up not gonna lie
Hmmm I’ve never had any experience with mySQL how will I go about learning this with python (I’m 15 so like I have the time to do it)
gilded valley
If you're 15, probably the best way to guarantee a good software dev/programming job is by doing well in school
marsh wind
When I was 15 in my free time I cared about playing Dota instead of thinking for future job😂 guess I did something wrong lol
finite pendant
Nah school doesnt help with programming lol
Just learn programming besides school and get a lot of early experience
gilded valley
good grades -> good university -> good job
working hard at things you don't necessarily enjoy is the most valuable skill in the world. A great way to get good at working hard is by working hard
rare sand
grossly oversimplified. good grades are beneficial, so is getting some early experience writing code. neither is absolutely required to find a good job, but both are helpful.
acoustic helm
if i were to apply for a programming job, could i use a couple of trustworthy people on this discord channel as a reference? I'm still a long way from being good at coding but when im ready, would it be wise to ask people to be my reference on this discord? because i dont have anyone in my life that understands what a tech company wants and how they should talk to them
- a reference for my resume *
rare sand
you might be able to use a friend (from this community) as a reference, provided they knew anything about your coding skills.
ideally someone you worked with on a project, in that case.
some of the staff members use me as a reference, for example, but I can genuinely vouch for them.
won't be quite as good as an employer, but it might be better than nothing.
acoustic helm
thanks, i just wanted to ask, dont need one right now because im still learning the basics
ionic cargo
I don't feel like university is a good option.
neon needle
@olive axle focus on school and when you get that done everyday (however long that takes) then focus on your interests if that's programming you can learn 2 or 3 different languages by the time you graduate
You could self learn and get really good and maybe even in your spare time you could but the reason why i say fully focus on school is get great grades and you can get a scholarship somewhere.
School basically fully paid for and you can study computer science and programming for free at a good school. You will come out of that with very little debt and have amazing job opportunities.
ionic cargo
Beneficial but in terms of actually getting a job apparently employers are looking for more experience instead of extremely high grades. That is not me saying that they don't help but I believe they would take a student with a b level and work experience in the field compared to someone with just an a level. But i'm only 14 myself so I have no idea aha.
olive axle
@neon needle Thats exaclty what I'm doing so thank you SuperSaiyan.
neon needle
also to the guy that said school doesn't help with programming is wrong my brother just got done with school, hes graduating early and found a 90k job from an internship he didn't even need to interview they just offered it to him
he learned everything he knows about CS and programming from uni
ionic cargo
Never said it doesn't help.
neon needle
im not talking to you
ionic cargo
Personally my plan is to get out of high school (UK) with at least 10 GCSE at an B-A* grade and jump right into a levels and an internship.
Not bothered with uni, I believe I could learn it myself and if a good job needs a uni level certification I will take a bootcamp.
neon needle
im from america and dont know what a levels is or gcse also dont know the job market or how companies value a degree over there so i cant comment and give my opinion
if you think that will work well over there do it i suppose, if you get those kinds of grades u can probably get school mostly paid for so you may wanna do that
either way gl
ionic cargo
Thank you.
gilded valley
There is a guy on here who is a self taught non-uni programmer from the UK. And he said he thinks going to university is a much easier path into a good job
Also, afaik employers don't see bootcamps as anything on par with a university degree
edgy plume
.
rare sand
I'm a high school dropout who (eventually) made it as a professional dev. I, too, would recommend going down the uni path, it'll probably save time and frustration and open certain doors that might forever be closed if not. but there's no reason why you shouldn't be learning programming and contributing to open source and taking part in coding communities alongside that.
hobbyist experience (and demonstrating a certain level of passion for your craft) will greatly benefit you with some employers.
where I work, we hire people like me, and we hire highly educated people with almost no experience outside of their studies.
it's healthy for a team to have a bit of both
some companies refuse to hire anyone without at least a bachelor
others only care what you can demonstrate in a technical interview.
ionic cargo
So I don't want to go to uni, but I want to go get a-levels and have experience etc in internships. Would it work for me?
I believe multiple years in uni are not well spent when I could master it on my own.
rare sand
would it work for you? I don't know. probably, if you put in enough time and effort. if you apply for enough places, nail a few interviews, survive the rejections from companies that categorically will not hire people without uni, if you're in the right place at the right time.
I did it, I'm sure you could too.
but it's not the path of least resistance.
thin light
well... i would say other wise
cause rememeber, uni debt is a real thing, it could hold you back
ionic cargo
Well i've read upon that and in the UK it's dependent on your wage at which rate you pay etc.
rare sand
yep, I'm grateful to be earning what I am without having any student debt.
but it took me probably 5 more years than it could've taken if I'd had the education. and your mileage may vary.
thin light
yeah, so i dont think you'd call working and going to ui at the same time as the path of least resistance
ionic cargo
How many years would it take for someone to get a master or bachelor in uni?
torpid bolt
i went back to school something like 8 years ago, because i only had 2 years of CS school, and it seemed like a lot of doors to better programming jobs were closed because of that, after 3 more years and an engineering degree, jobs seem to come easily, but it's hard to say if the degree plays a big role in that, long experience in python helps, and i could maybe have even more if i had stayed in the industry all along
wanton holly
i've heard that student debt in the UK isn't actually that bad to deal with.
and it gets written off once you reach a certain age i believe
ionic cargo
Mhmm, i've read upon it.
rare sand
here in norway, we've got a very friendly student debt system, too.
and conversely, in the US their situation is frequently refered to as a student debt crisis
ionic cargo
Yes, so debt isn't the issue it's the fact that how many years I spend in uni could be spent mastering my craft on my own as I believe that some stuff is better learnt alone.
It's mainly apparent in the US as I've noticed.
torpid bolt
the school i went to was expensive, but i paid it by using the internship system, working 2/3 days a week and doing the courses the other days, it's not easy, but way better than needing job along uni that is not related to studies and expects you to be there at inconvenient times
thin light
yeah, if u got the gov or parents to poay your debt, you super lucky
torpid bolt
and no debt
ionic cargo
Sadly don't have the parents, come from a rather poor family to honest.
I have parents
rare sand
you are of course right that the learning value of a university education might be (some would say _definitely will be) less than what you might be able to do on your own and by working an internship or something.
torpid bolt
it's true that you could spend the exact same time as in uni and learn a lot more on your own
but most people can't do that
thin light
yeah, working thru uni to pay debt wrks but again, i wouldnt say thats the path of least resistance
torpid bolt
focus is very hard to keep for that long
rare sand
it's the path of least resistance to get the job. maybe not in life.
torpid bolt
uni/school gives you a frame and reference to study into, as well as resources
ionic cargo
But say I have a git hub repo, internships, references and I show a good level of skill in a wide variety of languages, won't a job be rather simple to secure?
thin light
yeah i'd say so. obviously i wouln't be expecting a senior position right out of the gate tho
ionic cargo
I personally learn a lot more on my own, not to brag in any form but i'm ahead of my class right now and the education I get from school holds me back in terms of coding.
Well no, I wouldn't be expecting that without some kind of master etc
rare sand
with the right company, yes. but that company might not be hiring, might not be in your area, might not even be in your country.
ionic cargo
Mhmm.
rare sand
with the education in addition to the stuff you listed, it'd be easy anywhere
torpid bolt
i would say yes, given the current demand, a lot of places have a hard time finding competent programmers, if you can show competence, finding a job shouldn't be too hard, at least for companies that know to see it when it's in front of them
ionic cargo
I live in the capital so jobs are most likely to be there.
But willing to move if so.
rare sand
like, London?
ionic cargo
Cardiff.
torpid bolt
i've had recruiters try to make me come to london from france, so yeah, i assume there are jobs there 🙂
thin light
not very hard to get a job i assume?
rare sand
I'm sure you could find something, but just be aware that while that diploma is a bit arbitrary and might not teach you half what you might've learned from a year on the job, it's still gonna keep a few doors closed for you. but hey, I believe you could do it. I just can't guarantee it, not from my experience.
fingers all the way crossed, though 🤞
ionic cargo
Mhmm, I will still have an a level and job experience.
Considering I try to get it.
So I do believe I can do it but uni will just open a few closed doors from what you've told me.
Alright, thanks a lot!
neon needle
this is the issue with life advice like this its all dependent on the person literally everyone is different based on your motivation intelligence personality location if your family has money your grades from previous education your goals work ethic
if you are doing the things you say you are Ethan sure maybe uni can be skipped but really if you wanna reach the highest level in any industry you need a masters so that's why i always recommend going to school if it isnt going to put you in huge debt because it gives you a foundation to get a great job right away and allows you to go back to school if you find out you want to specialize further in whatever you may be doing
listening to advice is super important from knowledgeable people but you have to take all that and then make your own choices
and make sure you listen to people who actually know what they're talking about cause you can very easily be misled
thin light
yeah thats why you take people's words with grains of salt and see if its applicable to your situation.
ionic cargo
Mhmm, if I get the opportunity to have a free uni education I will definitely take it, other than that i'm sticking with my current plan but it may change.
gilded valley
Generally in the UK if you consider university fees properly, they don't really influence your net income over the course of your career a huge amount
If things don't go to plan after uni, you don't pay that much back. If they do go to plan, you generally earn more than if you hadn't gone to uni
Also, I haven't ever really heard internships between A-Levels and what comes next. Generally if you want something like that you end up with apprenticeships which lead to a job and/or degree
wanton rivet
anyone got advice on how to break into a data science career?
what job i should aim for ?
marsh wind
@rybohi#0217 what's your background
wanton rivet
atm i'm completing cs50
im on week 7
I've also done 3 months work experience as a web dev
I'm doing a personal project in 2 weeks then hoping to learnexcel and do a course in data science
red nebula
yeah I also want to switch into data science
but im from a chemE background
living in london currently
so any advice would be appreciated
hushed kestrel
Lots of online resources for data science
If you want to get into datascience you should find stories for how people without PhDs break into it and just copy what they did
It's going to be 100's or maybe a 1000 hours of work
Depending on your efficiency
And depends what area of datascience you go into
An easy break in point is someone who cleans up data while trying to position yourself as someone who can help with small statistical tasks I think
red nebula
yeah it does look like that it will take a lot of work
trying to look for internships though Im not sure if employers will be willing to bank on someone who has no experience
hushed kestrel
I mean, I would pass if I could get someone with any experience
Unless you show off raw potential and a track record of eagerness and self improvement or something
red nebula
only way I could think of doing that would be through building up a portfolio on github
hushed kestrel
Experience + shit personality << no_experience + amazing personality
That is one way
red nebula
bamboozle them with pure charisma
hushed kestrel
Charisma in interview doesn't go that far
Portfolios show your experience, which you don't have. That's a solution to "No experience"
Colleges complain that people who apply undervalue personal letters that recount their experiences in life and extracurricular activities
Helping your parents with their business, becoming decent in your hobby, reading through books to improve yourself, overcoming adversity are all things that speak highly to your character that would/could never fit inside a 'portfolio'
hushed kestrel
You don't fit it in a cv
WELL
I mean, i think a CV is geared towards explaining how you provide value to their company in a specific way
red nebula
wait for the interview for them to ask you those types of questions?
red nebula
oh lol
hushed kestrel
Basically what you are going to write is a personal letter of recommendation for yourself
red nebula
Im wondering whats your background + current employment industry?
red nebula
no no
hushed kestrel
So
I shouldn't have graduated highschool, but I did because I had a frank conversation with my principle
red nebula
" personal letter of recommendation for yourself", a cover letter you mean?
hushed kestrel
I didn't get into college because my grades were so poor, but I wrote a letter and asked the board to reconsider my application and they accepted me
A cover letter is to me to mean something different
I am now a hardware/firmware/programming engineer with a lot of business experience 5 years out of college with a physics degree
I ran my own consultancy (it was shit) for a year and a half, worked at airbnb as an electrical engineer, and worked at a startup as a hardware/firmware engineer running my own project for a year or so
You'll be completely surprised how much people want to give charity to those that they think deserve it
most middle sized companies come from people who suck and they genuinely want to help out people that they think need their help as opposed to people who are just looking to forward their career
At least this is what I have found in the US
red nebula
do you have magical puppy eyes or something
red nebula
force employers under your gaze
red nebula
nah I just find it that employers generally want someone who knows how to do the job that they are advertising for
just means less training time
hushed kestrel
It depends on the employer. Some can't afford training, some can.
If you write a letter that is like
"My name is this, here is what I have done. "
"Here is what I want to do, here are the steps I am taking to achieve this."
"This is what the job will mean to me. Here is a plan on what I will commit to, to prove to you I want this and that you aren't overlooking a more worthy candidate."
"I am grateful for your consideration."
"Laezo."
I read a book called "Negotiation genius " which is one of those staple business books everyone reads.
You'll be baffled at the success rate of fresh graduates who are being hired out of college who ask/beg
"I am going to work at your company regardless of your decision, but could I ask that increase the salary amount by 5-10 k that would increase my comfortability by x,y,z. If you choose not to, this will by no means hinder my performance. I look forward to working with you."
slim knoll
Hi community, can someone become a software engineer without univeristy degree?
hushed kestrel
Yes
marsh wind
I think you can become pretty much anyone except PhD without Uni degree 😉 the question is, what it would take...
ember flower
Pretty sure you can't get the "engineer" title without a degree
marsh wind
yeah, perhaps that too 🙂
indigo sleet
I came across this article on Reddit, I don't have the experience to speak to its truthiness but it's doing well there and sounds like a lot of advice I've gotten in the past. https://www.kalzumeus.com/2011/10/28/dont-call-yourself-a-programmer/
Really interesting read on the industry either way
neon needle
oh his salary negotiation is even better its under his greatest hits its a must read
mint citrus
interesting article
livid cosmos
Any of you guys mind having a look at my resume? Hoping to get junior dev roles but no luck so far sadly 😦
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primal sundial
question they asked me in interview, there is a resume with more then 1k words, i need to remove words like python,js,react native ,development and other skills word and count them how many times used it example python - 10, js - 5 etc, and put other words in different table, how should i answered this
answer i wrote was i will add all the words in one empty list, then add them in for loop if words python == python then append it to empty python list same for other skill words, those not equal append to other empty list, with help of list index i can count how many times words are used
i wanna know better way to do this
reef marsh
A dictionary will be better in this case, for example you have python js react native as words to check, so you can create a dictionary with them wordspy words_to_remove = { 'python': 0, 'js': 0, ... }And because it is a dictionary, the access time will be very fast
primal sundial
oh in value it will count the word?
primal sundial
yeah i think they wr expecting me to use data structure
reef marsh
with open('resume.txt', 'r') as resume:
content = resume.read()
words = resume.split(' ')
counts = {word: resume.count(word) for word in set(words)}```I had this interview question on an onsite long time ago
reef marsh
This will instsantly give you a dictionary of word - how many times it was used
Then you can easily check a word with py counts.get('python')
If the word was used, you will see its count, otherwise, you will see a None. This is a python behaviour
primal sundial
oh its faster
reef marsh
Imo question like this is to show how you would structure the input and output
If you have a clear answer on how you will prepare the data, and how you will get the results, it'll be fine no matter how you do it - the most important thing is to be clear when you explain your algorithm
Information about why dictionary over list is also good to include, as to your choice of data structures
primal sundial
so i have doubt , it was white board question i need to answer each line or pseud code is enough?
mint citrus
well, you can "abbreviate" a bit
the code doesnt have to be 100% correct. its ok if you make a small mistake here and there.
primal sundial
great! thank you guys
mint citrus
imma have to prepare for interviews again in one year 😓
primal sundial
i got stuck in this question and data structure (tree and graph)
mint citrus
tbh i forgot all my trees and graphs. never used them on the job
primal sundial
cause i dnt have formal degree , thye gave me 1mnth time
reef marsh
If I'm the interviewer I'd actually expect to see Counter as well - using everything a language has to offer is one of the many hints showing how strong one person is with the language
primal sundial
my python got rust after doing django all the time
livid cosmos
Hope someone can give me some feedback :), been trying for months, getting zero response for junior dev roles
primal sundial
i would say add link of ur projects
livid cosmos
Most of my projects are closed source though, because they're stuff I use for my own business partnership
Ie final production phase code that I use to make money with
primal sundial
oh
livid cosmos
Maybe I can make a simple calculator app or something, but it wont measure up to my project with more than a years worth of polish i guess
primal sundial
or in skills divide that in back-end , database and front end
mint citrus
well you only got 2 years of actual programming experience according to your resume. you said you developed some sites, you surely can link to those
primal sundial
django is MVT not mvc
reef marsh
If you are looking to be a junior dev roles, it is better to divide your skillsets into more specific categories and with more information, specially related to what you can do in said fields - Atm it looks more like a biography and what you have done instead of what you can do, or it is very hard to deduce about your skills
mint citrus
^
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mint citrus
wondering if working in different countries will have an effect on me getting hired later
primal sundial
oh i need to make link brb
reef marsh
If anything it is an advantage imo - being able to work in different environment, can adapt to cultures
Unless you use it to specifically raise your expected salary
mint citrus
well i did start work in another country where I know I would get a higher position for the reason to then go back to the US and apply for an equal position thus increasing my income
primal sundial
any advice and suggestions will be greatly appreciated 👆
reef marsh
Looks solid, I'd also suggest including what you've learned / what challenges you overcame on each projects
primal sundial
should i make a cv? cause resume shouldn't be bigger then a 2 page right?
reef marsh
It should be within 1-2 pages, and easy to capture contents within 15-20s
primal sundial
okay, so same para should i add challenges i faced and overcame?
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primal sundial
aswm resume u got james
reef marsh
Yep, and make the introduction shorter, like Stock Trade - using Python, Flask, Sqlite, Bootstrap, API Web-based application in which players can make login and registration after signup they get starting amount of money with help of which users can buy or sell stocks.can be```
Stock Trade - using Python, Flask, Sqlite, Bootstrap, API
- Web-based application with login and registration. Let user buy / sell stocks.
- Benchmarked the difference between Sync and Async web framework.
- Learned how to optimize API.```
mint citrus
thats the fancy looking one.
primal sundial
oh thank you shirayuki
james keen theme section and project repo section are very close to each other
mint citrus
huh. yeah. ill have to fix that. looks like its taking more space than it should
primal sundial
yup
mint citrus
I just worry about my content. If it portrays well enough what i did
primal sundial
i think link to ur project would been nice and r u sure abut ur font size u used, isnt it small?
mint citrus
like does it look like I actually went out and did something? or does it look like I just fucked around doing job hopping?
its size 10 i think
I did this in illustrator
primal sundial
i had to zoom a little to read clearly
mint citrus
yeah I prob have to increase it
primal sundial
work description is good , may be add technology name below the company name
mint citrus
wdym by technology name? like the stack?
vapid jay
yes, cat
primal sundial
yup
mint citrus
guess that makes sense
vapid jay
do you know how resume parsing works
mint citrus
i really do not
vapid jay
ok
gather around
You make a resume. The resume is screened. Companies have thousands of people submitting resumes, so they filter based on keywords. They have enterprise software for this. The HR person only takes a look at the resumes that are filtered through the system. In some companies, you might make it here faster depending on whether you got a recommendation or not. Most of the resume parsing systems are based on comparing their existing talent pool's skillsets to the ones in your resume. Some companies put extra keywords in the job description they advertise but only recruit for maybe 1/3 skills they mention in the job description, because they believe it helps them widen their applicant pool to experienced candidates.
I think I've covered everything..wish someone would pin this:v
mint citrus
so we back to just plopping in buzzwords and skill names
primal sundial
so skills should be highlighted?
vapid jay
it's an automated system, doesn't matter if you highlight skills or not, as long as it's in your resume..
when your resume makes it to HR, remember that HR are not technical.. as long as you sound impressive to them, you land the interview.. because their only job is to pass resumes to a tech lead
mint citrus
Should prob add more of those in mine.
mint citrus
well yeah. wouldnt repeat myself
primal sundial
fancy sentence
vapid jay
well, it's actually from kafka.. but ok
primal sundial
thats y i want to work in a startup then mnc
mint citrus
mnc?
vapid jay
startups don't make sense to me.. it's all subjective opinion
primal sundial
multi national company
vapid jay
one of my friends works at IBM in a technical role.. she's barely skilled.. but went to a really good university, so she made it in..
mint citrus
well startups tend to give you a bit more hands on experience
primal sundial
yup
vapid jay
now gets roles based on her negotiation skills and networking.. not on tech skills, even though she's in technical roles
primal sundial
yes thatcat, thats y i chose to do internship in startup
mint citrus
well some of us have bad negotiation skills and come from a shit uni so we gotta play with what we got
vapid jay
to compare, I've seen people extremely talented.. but they don't go far because they can't negotiate up
mint citrus
legit all my jobs are based on my experience and not my school
primal sundial
without contacts u cant get a good job
vapid jay
working at a large company will boost your marketability..
you can get a good job on skills
primal sundial
with internship experience can i get a job in abroad ?
mint citrus
ehhh
you can always try your luck
prob only get jobs in startups that are desperate.
primal sundial
for that i need to get conected in linkedin i guess
vapid jay
you need to study abroad or study at a really good univ in your country
primal sundial
i thought same tron
vapid jay
or skills in some technology that's in high demand
mint citrus
Well you gotta have something for getting a job in another country
primal sundial
in internship its like a job only lol
mint citrus
internships just wont hold the same value as a job would
primal sundial
agree
mint citrus
it did get my foot in the door tho.
I think i got a job about 1-2 months after my first internship
then just did freelance after that and worked at my uni
primal sundial
u got a degree also
primal sundial
yup
mint citrus
oh especially with working in another country, you will want a degree
primal sundial
yup at starting ,later they c ur work exp
mint citrus
they might still need a degree
for visa purposes
I needed mine when I started this job in May. so they can convince immigration to give me visa so the company can hire me
primal sundial
oh
mint citrus
its still possible to do it with out one. but it will be very difficult
primal sundial
yeah if u got good cash in bank
i was thinking to do part time engineering but its expensive
in Denmark i seen
mint citrus
well you could start some work and do it on the side
primal sundial
Yup
hushed kestrel
There are low hanging python fruit for careers that's possible to learn relatively quickly ( 3-6 months )
Most of it being light scripting + QA SQL management
foggy lava
Hi, maybe a very specific question. Is there anyone with experience from any kind of medical tech companies that know what kind of jobs are available for a medical doctor with programming/tech skills? Would the MD have any kind of advantage over engineers who presumably have much more experience and better tech skills?
hushed kestrel
So, I am close in terms of career to medical tech companies (I do hardware engineering)
There are several barriers that stop engineers from going into medical tech. If you are a doctor, you are incredibly valuable (of course).
Being an MD means you understand the regulatory part of the industry and you know how to navigate it
You can provide a pathway to develop medical devices and actually perform trials with the devices while guiding it through regulatory approval tests, right ?
You also have personal experience with the space of being a doctor which means you'll have unique insights on how to improve the product (Presuming the main customer are other doctors)
foggy lava
Yes I am an MD, but from a small scandinavian country (Norway), which doesnt have all that much internal med tech going on, and I am unsure if the reglations are the same all over Europe..
Do you know any doctors working there? What kind of tech skills do they feel helped them the most?
hushed kestrel
I live in the bay area (united states)
I am sure MD culture is vastly different from country to country
So it is hard to give specific advice without a plan where you want to work
vapid jay
polishing my resume, id like to try to keep it on one page but im starting to get into page break territory. i want to keep a consistent "ive been employed all through college til now" look, but also the description of working IT support in college I feel isnt really important. how do yall feel about taking out the description of working somewhere and just having the job title/school name?
vapid jay
couldnt avoid going onto two pages so i just left it
mint citrus
I mean depends on how many jobs you have. I started to leave out positions
I completely leave out my jobs during university now even tho they are still relevant to my field
and then on my CV I usually state I worked since beginning of uni until present in my Field
vapid jay
well ive had two jobs since graduating
one for a year and then the one im in for around 1.5 yrs
mint citrus
well def put those on. there should be enough space for that all
vapid jay
well yeah those are at the top
but i like having all my other ones in, im just gnna leave em
mint citrus
if its not relevant to the position you are applying for or in the field, leave them out
like if you flipped burgers, just leave that out
mint citrus
if its too many, leave some out. you really only want 1 page
you can explain about them in your CV
vapid jay
well i don really care, they can just print the first page if they want lol
rare sand
seems misleading if you've only used it through a wrapper
many APIs don't have easy wrappers you can use, would you know how to talk to those?
it's a good thing to learn.
mint citrus
do you know what a Rest API is?
a little more than that
I think the main purpose of a rest api is to be stateless
Thats the key I would be looking for if I asked someone
also its uses and such
a quick wiki gives you a fairly decent overview
vast shoal
@obtuse dune https://hackernoon.com/restful-api-designing-guidelines-the-best-practices-60e1d954e7c9 I think this article gets the point across.
marsh wind
@vast shoal nice link - when you read it makes me think that RESTful API is actually a pretty straightforward things
vast shoal
Yeah, it's not very complicated. It's supposed to make API design easier, after all.
marsh wind
yeah
wanton rivet
Hey Dementati
Im creating my own personal project soon
with the hope of using it as a portfolio
but dont really know what i should create
the idea is to get an entry level job in data science or software engineering
any ideas ?
vast shoal
@wanton rivet I can't really tell you what kind of portfolio in particular will optimize your chances of getting a job. But if you want project ideas in general, you could take a look at this list for inspiration: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267624335836053506/512380391060144148/1533339804771.png
Any project is better than none.
I guess you could try to figure out what kinds of tech stacks are popular with the kinds of companies you want to work for, and create projects using those stacks.
vast shoal
👍
vapid jay
Are "senior" positions total BS? I sent my resume to a senior position that only req'd ~5 years of experience and they wrote back saying initially I look like a good match. I don't wanna overshoot my skills but also don't wanna undershoot and only apply junior.
This is in US
vast shoal
In my experience, senior means you take more initiative, you spend more time educating and directing others, you are more involved in architectural and larger-scale design decisions, you take responsibility for more important and complicated tasks, etc.
5 years can be more than enough for that. Or not. Depends on the individual.
limber rampart
It's definitely possible to reach senior level in less than 5 years, it depends on how the company defines seniority - I wouldn't be afraid, in case they feel like you're a better fit for a junior role, they will offer it to you
hushed kestrel
You can call yourself senior whenever you want, it's all about who you are competing with for the role, ect ect. Look at other applicants for senior roles and see what the gap between you and they are (if there are any).
In consulting you become a senior consultant after 2 years
Or you get washed out
But they work 10+ h days ect ect, it just depends on how seriously you take your career. If they are accepting you as a senior role, do the interview and try to get it.
@vapid jay You have to be shameless. Companies always ask for more than what they get on their job applications. I applied for a position where I hit every mark and when I interviewed they were like "We were looking for a fresh college graduate." like, wot? You wanted 5 years experience + Programming + firmware + electronic design w/ database support
I fucking guess
vapid jay
Lmao
I take my own initiative I just feel like I spend a lot of time learning still
So it's weird for me to apply up. But I don't wanna apply to junior positions
vast shoal
You never really stop learning though.
ember flower
fortunately 😉
hushed kestrel
There are infinite things to learn. Basically no one 15 years ago knew about ML
New technology comes around pretty fast, specialization is a thing
ionic cargo
So in Cardiff there are a couple colleges, 2 main ones which I know of. The main one does not support computer science as a subject and the other makes Welsh Bac and Religion 2 of your must options. So none of them are good for what I want to do. I'm not expecting people to know the colleges in my area but I need to know if this could work. I was thinking of getting an internship in a different city maybe that supported my options, I wouldn't know if it works though (in terms of the idea in general)
vapid jay
My school required religion courses. I don't see the issue
The internships are the real driving factors I think.
But if you're in college and go for technical internships they may prefer CS students.. So probably the school that has the program
Although you never actually asked anything
marsh wind
do they have anything like applied Math maybe @ionic cargo
gilded valley
Do you know any more specifics of what you want to do after A-Level? I've not really heard of a-level into internships as a feasible career path
But if there are specific internships and stuff, then just look at what they require
often it will be something like Maths/Physics
rather than just compsci
foggy birch
So Im a junior, are there any good jobs that I shuold look into to fill my resume currently i have the following
Discord bot for Cyanide and Happiness (6,000+ users)
Abstract binary search trees in normalization of code (100+ user for the Uni im at)
Math tutor (300+ people interacted with at Uni)
Coding instructor (taught a class of 50 for summer courses )
ionic cargo
@marsh wind All optional apart from welsh bac and re. For a-levels I would like to go into these courses:
- Maths
- Physics or Chemistry
- Comp Sci
The problem that I had @gilded valley Was I would be forced to do something I don't want to do for a-level or the option of Comp Sci was not provided.
gilded valley
I understand that. I'm more questioning what comes afterwards. Depending on the specific thing, computer science might not be necessary
vapid jay
Applying for jobs is such a draining process, and I've only been doing it for a couple days. Anyone have any experience applying to jobs in cities across the country (US)?
foggy birch
@vapid jay I like to use indeed it makes it easier
vapid jay
indeed is terrible
foggy birch
No? I got a few from there. What platform are you using
vapid jay
I look up companies and go to their career page and skip the bullshit of third party webite systems
foggy birch
I personally think third party websites can help you a lot. Even if not indeed, it does the hard work of looking up those companies for you
vapid jay
I think the only thing indeed has ever done for me is spam my inbox lol
foggy birch
Lol, I’ll take the spam cause once every two weeks a job or two reaches out
red nebula
red nebula
i just discovered this guy and he saved me a bunch of time in planning out my study
i defo recommend this for those in a simliar situation
vapid jay
@vapid jay Be honest about what you do know
well i'm good at doing that
You know best what you can and cannot do. Just share that with them + your enthusiasm.
Ive interviewed so many people recently that completely lie on their resume
it makes no sense
yo if I want to get a career using python, what other skills would I need to learn?
I'm not applying for junior level roles really
Not you, but people in-general
@vapid jay if you can get a base understanding of python then you'll learn a lot more on the job
There's no way you can B.S. your way through senior level roles.
It depends what kind of python you want to get into
Since its one language with a broad spectrum of applications
BTW, good luck, Brian.
thanks!
how do y'all feel about startups?
Got that reppo loaded?
Nah
Lol
I am working for a startup now
Not as a senior dev or whatever you're applying for though
I'm just not applying for entry level
But I can say that it can be quite taxxing depending on what you are applying for
Well I'm applying anywhere that'll take me and have a good work environment and also pay me ballpark around what I make now
plus a little
I'm hesitant to go the startup route because I work for a stable company right now lol
and I'd be moving to a new city so it sketches me out
¯_(ツ)_/¯
@vapid jay
right now my company has around 900 employees
nobody really gets fired unless they do something bad lol
but it's in a geographical region i don't want to be in
rip
lol
do they expect you to @your_user_name below the title of a doc?
yeah
ok.. so you use slack..
I use teams :v
aye he disappeared.. lol
I am here lol
I just deleted some of my posts : P
I used to have this friend who was paranoid about leaving a trace too..
he would delete anything anyone posted on his facebook XD
I know all the info is logged
I can't undo that, but I like to delete some posts anyway
¯_(ツ)_/¯
action item? or AI?
Outlook doesn't seem very intelligent.. lol
psshh
are they going to one up Gmail's smart reply?
don't think so
so many questions..
never heard of 'seaweed' before
probably why
cool cool
naa I'm good.. I don't have much faith in them.. having worked on something bigger:p
LOL
vapid jay
Did someone delete their messages here?
yeah
N.S. has full convos with people then goes back and deletes 80% of what he said ¯_(ツ)_/¯
sharp yew
Should I put that I completed datacamp's data analyst w/ python track on my resume?