career-advice

[ripe thunder]

i wanna learn python but they don't have official certification so i learn a programming language that has official certification. i have to reach the certification since certification is important for my future.

[west sand]

hello all, sorry this first time for me, and yeah, my english is so bad, but i want to study python, What are some recommended websites for learning Python?

[smoky flint]

youtube.com/@NeuroDjango
The channel focuses on AI, Machine Learning, and Data Science. With just 3 months of consistent learning, I can guide you on how and where to land remote gigs and start earning real income from your skills.

[west sand]

is it teaching from scratch?

[smoky flint]

In a way the channel leans to, yes.

[smoky flint]

Keep in my mind. The channel provides you 20% of what you need. The mentorship gives you 5% the rest is based on how your tailor your time for the next 3 month

[west sand]

Okay, thank you for the information.

[smoky flint]

For any question, comment in the video . You'll be replied within 20 mins

If it becomes helpful to you . Share with others , Let's build a strong community network

[vast shoal]

!rule ad

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[smoky flint]

Alright.
Trying to be resourceful that all

[vast shoal]

This is not the server for that.

[umbral ginkgo]

Do most ai engineers have graduate degrees

[peak halo]

Yes. Almost everyone in my division has a masters or PhD

I don't, but I had to jump through lots of extra hoops as an undergrad to make myself a viable applicant

[nova cloak]

hey, does anyone know where I should be looking if I want to break into tutoring CS? Is that a thing people can still do?

[peak halo]

The fact that those hoops were available to me in the first place was largely a matter of luck

[umbral ginkgo]

What did you start out as?

[peak halo]

What do you mean? My first job after university was in ML

[umbral ginkgo]

You said you had to go through some extra hoops, so I assumed you didn't start out as AI

[peak halo]

I did research as an undergraduate and published a paper on a natural language processing technique

I also changed majors from linguistics to computer science

(which meant that I basically finished undergrad with as many credits as a masters degree holder)

[umbral ginkgo]

I think he also recommended that we publish some kind of paper/write medium articles, etc.

[peak halo]

There's a world of difference between posting stuff on blogs and being published in academic journal

[umbral ginkgo]

I just remembered, I did talk to someone who took the bootcamp (they happened to be there) and she said that she did get jobs after she graduated, but she was also in the finance industry beforehand

[peak halo]

The only people who I've heard of having success from a boot camp already had a career where their knowledge from that career is potentially useful in AI

^ I'm sorry that sentence was structured like that

[stray swan]

Hello guys, I've been offered a project and I have to put a price on it before starting. I've already worked with them and a project (which was the first part) and now they want to continue with it (so just if it was like a new project, but it is actually a continuation of the first one). I am a student in 3rd year of compsci and I've got no idea how much to charge as the price on the first one was given to me, but now they are asking me to put a price into this one. I could post the project description/needs here or I could DM you if you prefer to get more in depth. Thanks guys!

[fringe sphinx]

Can you describe the project and relationship at a high level?

[stray swan]

Yes

[fringe sphinx]

Also, what country? (rates are very country specific). I ~probably~ can't give you an exact number, but tell you how to approach it.

[stray swan]

First project:

I was asked to make a web app for student-teachers, something like a delivery webpage. Teachers submitted (on the admin side) a document with how to rate a homework based on different metrics for a specific task, then users submit their homework in each task and it is sent to gemini, then corrected by gemini based on the instructions given on the teacher's metrics. Also added some histograms to show how the other students have done around (couldn't see each student's mark, but could see how much students got between 1-5 or 5-10)

Second project:

Based on the first one, I have to add a feature to input voice recordings and get them corrected. Also, I have to create a "dynamic" part where the student is given 5 minutes to answer on-site a randomized question (out of a database of possible questions), where he can write its response, or record audio for it, then get it corrected. Just as if it was a little exam.

I am in Spain

As said before, I am a student in 3rd year of compsci, no working experience apart from the first part of the project ever.

[fringe sphinx]

Do you have a sense of how much time this will take you?

And, are you expected to "support" this after it's delivered?

Most likely, you'll want to "gate" the work with milestones, like - "Proof of Concept", etc. Customers (the teachers) are notorious for changing their minds once they see it working.

And, a good project leads to more work, not less. In other words, if you're successful, they'll want more.

So, when things are unclear, I'll usually say something like: "It'll take me X weeks to build the v1 / proof of concept, which will do X, Y and Z".

Even just a simple "Submit hmework and manually grade it" project is not so easy, to make "production-ready"

[stray swan]

Even though it seems more complex, I think I can just transcribe audio and connect most of the parts to work I have/will have already done, around 20-30h maybe? I think I can take it out in a week of work, maybe tweak some small things after

[stray swan]

I think I am not. I was not after the first one. Delivered and paid.

[stray swan]

Yes, I know, after doing the first one I was a bit off with dome things that looked easy, but werent as easy as i thought

[fringe sphinx]

So, whatever you expect, triple it or more. Just getting a proof of concept is different than delivering a professional product.

ie: Test cases. CI/CD. Documentation. etc.

[stray swan]

Lol, okay🤣

[fringe sphinx]

imo, part of your goal should be to keep getting paid. A small project is an opportunity for a larger project, etc. You do this by: setting realistic expectations (milestones), not over-promising, and showing value one step at a time.

[vast shoal]

Not sure what you're up to, but stop it.

[stray swan]

Aright, thanks for the advice :)

[mortal forum]

How good is boot.dev? I learnt python till stack and dictionaries back in school and need to revise everything and beyond now for an AI course in university . Whats the fastest way to revise and learn further python?

[pastel aspen]

I am a total freak but honestly what I would do is go work backwards through the Continuous Integration setup Python's got on GitHub, and then start reading parts of the test suite. Just my take, you may learn totally differently than I do.

[open ivy]

A simple networking tip: don't ghost others unless it is an extreme situation.

It takes me under 5 min/day to maintain a minimum level of RSVP. This is such a small time commitment, and has stayed small despite years of me reaching out actively. You never know when someone will known someone else with a position.

The pervasive level of ghosting and other socially-distant behavior when there is a loneliness epidemic is not rational and could be a sign of poor mental health.

[pastel aspen]

As Ice-T would put it on Twitter: "ICE COLD FACTS."

[open ivy]

Whenever someone doesn't have 5 minutes I get suspicious. Also, reminding myself I can make time also helps me.

[pastel aspen]

To me it's two things generally.. it's either sloppiness/lack-of-actual-interest-in-the-relationship, or depression and PTSD.. and the latter is common enough now that I by default get worried about people, but it often ends up being the first thing when you look into it.

[near ocean]

I dont have to talk to any random person on the street, so why would linkedin be any different

[open ivy]

Not reaching out to random people is not ghosting.

Ghosting is when people reach out to you (usually people you met at an event, not completely "random" people and also not scammers) and you purposefully fail to RSVP back to them.

[kindred yoke]

boot.dev's solid for structured stuff, but if you already know the basics, just build small projects + mess around on LeetCode or Exercism. way faster to get back in the groove that way 💪

[scarlet ferry]

any discord.py experts here? keep running into an issue with my code i cant seem to fix..

[umbral ginkgo]

She wan't a computer scientist beforehand, she was just finance.

[peak halo]

Yes, I know. What I said applies

[umbral ginkgo]

I see

[whole flare]

best to ask in the right channel, check out #discord-bots

[umbral ginkgo]

One of them was a software developer beforehand, how does that apply to AI?

[peak halo]

When you implement AI, you are writing software

[umbral ginkgo]

Yes but isn't there a big difference?

[peak halo]

Yes

[scarlet ferry]

hey

good day

[peak halo]

Hi. When you ping someone, be sure that you have something to say to them. Just pinging someone while you type your actual message is like calling someone and immediately putting them on hold.

[umbral ginkgo]

what did you have to learn to get into ML? Just so I can get a gauge and in what depth did you learn it?

[scarlet ferry]

oh yeah sorry, lol. channel has a slowmode so

[peak halo]

I started a bachelor's degree in linguistics, switched to computer science, and did academic research (including publishing a paper) while I was studying computer science.

[umbral ginkgo]

What topics did you cover in your research/degree?

[peak halo]

Right, because we want people to say everything that they have to say in one message. Pinging someone and then saying what you want to say in the next message is actually rude

[scarlet ferry]

are you like the creator of python? would be funny if you are lol

[peak halo]

No. I met him last year and he told me that I'm wrong about him.

Actually that was this year.

[scarlet ferry]

yea, sorry. im used to sending everything in sections

[scarlet ferry]

wdym by "wrong about him" lol

[peak halo]

I'll tell you in a different channel some time. This is the career discussion channel and I'm on a train irl

[scarlet ferry]

oh, sorry. #python-discussion when you can? if so, lmk

[umbral ginkgo]

I'll message you my question then

[peak halo]

I mostly don't answer questions in DMs

[umbral ginkgo]

Ok, what topics did you cover in your research and courses that helped you land a job, and how in depth was your research and courses with each subject?

[peak halo]

I took the standard courses for an undergraduate CS degree. The topics that that kind of degree has to cover are mandated by accreditation standards.

I also took all the AI related electives offered to undergraduates. I don't think any of them mattered that much compared to the AI research I did under the direction of a research professor.

What degree do you have, if any?

[umbral ginkgo]

BS in computer Science

[peak halo]

Why do the boot camp and not a masters?

[umbral ginkgo]

I graduated in 2024 and in 2025 I did a couple contracting jobs that didn't work out. I have been working part time through out however. I started the bootcamp a few days after I left my previous contracting job. I had known about the bootcamp before and wanted to try it out just to see how it goes. But the bootcamp is cheaper than grad school. But this was a quick decision I made, I wanted to try and get into the AI world without having to drop a fortune on graduate school. He warned me though that it is going to be really intense. Like extremely intense. It's really hard, but I gotta believe.

I do think the stuff I am learning is very interesting

it's just very hard and complex @peak halo

But if it doesn't work out, I will just go to sales engineering.

[umbral ginkgo]

Can anyone answer me?

[fringe sphinx]

What was your question?

[umbral ginkgo]

What do you think I should do given this circumstance? I am very lost in life right now.

[fringe sphinx]

What are your choices?

Generally, the strategy is: keep looking for a job, keep learning, keep networking, and keep making sure you have the best resume you can.

[umbral ginkgo]

Find a job in tech, maybe with python or web dev, continue down this bootcamp path, work extremely hard and maybe land a really good ai gig due to the projects I've built and knowledge I've obtained. Go to sales engineering if the guy is still interested. Talk to you guys, use discord as a networking opportunity and see where it can help me land a gig. Part of me wants to believe in myself and see if I can get into ML. Because I've never really been that good at CS ever. But lowkey I'm not really good at anything. I would feel a lot of comfort knowing that I know a lot about the work I am doing.

[pastel aspen]

@umbral ginkgo I've been trying to figure out how to frame this, apologies if this doesn't hit the mark.

I guess what's going on is, that if you want to get a "deep learning" job, and you want a bootcamp to be the route to that, you need to be just WILDLY spicier than the average bootcamp attendee.

If you ARE that, it might actually be easier to differentiate yourself by NOT going to one, or at least never claiming that you have done so, and instead just building something interesting on GitHub out of your own self-taught Promethean heat.

It's a million times easier to "show" that by getting a Master's degree, to a hiring manager.
However, actually having DONE it on GitHub trumps even that.

Like, I don't care what Alexia Jolicoeur-Martineau's credentials are (I think they are fancy), because the cutting edge AI model in the world is on her GitHub.
https://alexiajm.github.io/2025/09/29/tiny_recursive_models.html
Improving on ChatGPT5's power-efficiency by 300,000x is better than a degree.

[umbral ginkgo]

what do you mean by wildly spicier?

[pastel aspen]

Death before failure to learn.

[umbral ginkgo]

what does that mean?

[pastel aspen]

What does this mean to you?

[umbral ginkgo]

Have faith in what you know?

Like I guess don't think you don't know anything. Don't have imposter syndrome

Sorry, I am a little lost

[pastel aspen]

I'll have to let someone else give it a swing, the above was my best shot.
Your answer worries me though, I hope someone has a better framing for you.

[fleet reef]

Kinda the exact opposite

“There is always more to learn”

[umbral ginkgo]

Ok I get it now lol. But I am ok with that, I want to be able to work full time

[fringe sphinx]

There's no singular path, but all the paths involve learning and practice

It sounds like a fortune cookie.

[pastel aspen]

My point is this: If you want a real deep learning job via a bootcamp, you need to be the absolute best student there, by a lot.

[umbral ginkgo]

got it

[fringe sphinx]

Advertising is not allowed here, your message has been deleted

[onyx grail]

is it a sign i entered the wrong college if they make us write code and notes on paper?

[shy willow]

write code on paper?

is this an anti-AI thing?

I can see writing code on paper, I still do that on occassion.

[proud violet]

Anyone down to chat with me regarding software roles? I have a career plan / path but just wanted a discussion on its feasibility with the advancement of AI for the next 5 - 10 years.

[pastel aspen]

That's an AWESOME sign, I love it.
If you don't mind sharing where that is, I want to start telling people to go there.

[pine sleet]

Code? No, I don't think so
Notes is a bit weird though. I've not heard of colleges telling students how to take notes (unless it's a class specifically for that)

[true harness]

it has been shown that physical notes are better than typed notes for retention. but forcing is weird

[pastel aspen]

“Longhand code” is an interesting exercise and I support requiring it in at least an initial CS class

[kindred oyster]

no , its a pretty common thing in college during like initial semesters

[livid scroll]

can we make fully functioning games like subway surfers using pygame?

[pastel thunder]

What to talk about to manager over lunch meet?
It not my direct manager but M1's colleague.

While asking for mid term goal and long term goals can be one thing, I am terrible at thinking of follow up questions.
I am introverted too, lol

I tried exploring and learned manager liked to be asked about themselves
One good question could be what he and his sub ordinates are working on....
I am not sure how to frame it better...and this i anyways not something where I can make many followups.... since I roughly know about it

[wet arch]

Hi guys! I want to get some suggestions from you all about my career. I’m 16 years old right now, and I’m confused about which skill I should choose. I already have one skil i can create Discord servers, including everything like bot setups, automation bots, and all that. I’ve been making Discord servers for about 1.5 years and I also know a little bit of Python. So I wanted to ask you guys which skill I should learn next because I’m not sure what to focus on right now.

[sly ibex]

So a degree is worth it in 2025 and beyond? I be starting my Computer Science (BSc) Hons degree in 2026 September. I be getting consistent distinctions in assignments and merits in exams, as im currently in my last year of college. Im a UK student by the way.

[quiet warren]

I studied Comp Sci in the UK and think it gave me a great foundation for my career, as well as some lifelong friends and a great network of people to talk to about job opportunities etc.

[sly ibex]

Im starting myines in 2026. I know i will do brilliant in a CS degree. Its just maths which is the challenge

[quiet warren]

For what it's worth, CS as a topic is mostly maths. I don't say this to dissuade you as it's all manageable, but there will be lots to learn

[sly ibex]

For maths there will be, but im not worried about thet. Because if I put my mind into it. I can achieve

But for other stuff like programming, cybersecurity and networking etc I dont see the barrier so it be easy. Not to mention, that I have an advantage

[sly ibex]

Answer my question? Sorry if im being annoying.

[near ocean]

Yes a degree is worth it

[fringe sphinx]

Ask them questions about the business, or what they're working on, etc. make it about being interested in them, and the business.

[fringe sphinx]

The math isn't as bad as you'd think. Only thing I hated was calculus

(Because I was not a very good student at that time)

I got better.

[vapid jay]

Is math harder or programing in y'all opinion

[fringe sphinx]

I think this is a bit misleading for two reasons: a high school students view of what math is is different than what you/we mean by 'cs is mostly math is. And, because much of CS coursework isn't really math or even core CS.

[vapid jay]

My friend keeps telling me coding is harder than maths and I don't believe that

[fringe sphinx]

Everything is hard when you don't know it.

[vapid jay]

That is true but some things are harder than others even if you learned both

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe, but 'maths' isn't a thing you do

It's a broad field of academic study

I know what you mean, it's just an unfair comparison

[vapid jay]

Oh yeah

[fringe sphinx]

Is algebra hard to do once you know it?

[sly ibex]

They gonna teach me calculus

Why do some people hate calculus @fringe sphinx ?

[vapid jay]

I'm talking about the learning process

[quiet warren]

🤷‍♂️ for me, most of the coursework/work i did was a mix of logic + proofs/linear algebra/stats/other things i'm probably forgetting, where programming assignments was probably at most a third of my work. There are things beyond that you have to demonstrate understanding of like DSA/Operating Systems/Networking depending on what modules you take, but most of those are underpinned by some amount of math.

The reason i brought it up is because i'm actually from the same background as OP (UK College) which DOESNT have much grounding in maths (at least for the course I did) so this was a bit of a steep part of the curriculum for me, so it felt worth mentioning

[vapid jay]

the effort u put in something is bigger than the effort you put to learn something else

[fringe sphinx]

Because it's a freshman course that's taught at 2x the speed of a high school course, to students who often have poor fundamental (algebra) skills. Educators often say that the reason calculus is hard is bc of poor algebra skills

[sly ibex]

Thats the barrier i probably have going into 2026.

[fringe sphinx]

Fair, I like this model of mathematical maturity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_maturity . There's a journey we have to go on that's more than just learning equations

[sly ibex]

I guess I have no choice but to do a degee @fringe sphinx and follow the trend. I remember saying that u can get a SWE job without a degree, but these companies are keep using AI. So the gap is actually closing alot.

[fringe sphinx]

'Can' and 'it's a good idea' are different things

I don't interview candidates without degrees.

[sly ibex]

Waste of time?

[sly ibex]

U can but its rare tho. The easiest route is just do a degree, work hard in it, take all the oppturnities that the university is providing and thats it you know.

[fringe sphinx]

Two reasons: plenty of candidates with degrees, and second it indicates a certain level of base knowledge and experience. Without a degree, they'd need significant work experience before I'd look.

[quiet warren]

Personally, I'd always encourage people to take the time in university to study something they're interested in because it's one of the few times in life you'll fully have a big chunk of time aside JUST to focus on learning something, which once you're deeper into your career is so much harder to find time for. The networks/relationships you can build there are also of great utility over your career.

None of this is to say it's required, just that it is of value

[humble bluff]

Hi

[sly ibex]

Ok. So u encourage people to do a degree and dont miss out on it basically?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes

[sly ibex]

Here i am going to do one next year lol.

[fringe sphinx]

During those years, you're not just getting a degree but meeting & learning from other people , doing projects to build applied knowledge, self learning, etc

[sly ibex]

Ever since i left secondary school, I been self studying alot. This is the only time in life where actually get to improve yourself and make life easier for you, before you no longer have it.

[quiet warren]

this I don't agree with - there's still opportunity in the future, it's just more "little and often" that you have to switch to. Like going from being able to study 10hours a day for 3 years at university to 1hr a night 4/5 days a week is where a lot of people end up

you'd be surprised how much progress you can make with the latter though

[sly ibex]

Self learning, Im already doing. Im use to. Doing project will be fun and learning the theory. I have met people, I went to Bletchley park with my college , I met people from the NCA (National Crime Agency), Cisco and MoD (Minstry of Defence).

[sly ibex]

ok

[vast shoal]

In my case, calculus was hard because I just pretty much didn't know how to study anything efficiently. I had been able to coast along and get by without too much effort up until then. That was the first time I had to really study in a structured and systematic way.

[sly ibex]

What about other maths subjects?

[vast shoal]

I had been able to coast along and get by without too much effort up until then.

[sly ibex]

Do good thing about me doing a CS course, is that I be able to put my energy into maths. 🙂

[sly ibex]

ok.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, for sure; that was me!

[fringe sphinx]

My only real advice is: i think math is fun and interesting, but math class dull and painful. Find a way to love math: read about it, watch three brown one blue videos, etc

[sly ibex]

I actually loved maths when I was a kid. Now I love it even more, since I realise its true power.

[vast shoal]

Mathy youtube channels is nice for this, to get inspiration from people who are passionate about math.

I've had a few lecturers who also were, but they were few and far between.

[sly ibex]

Sites like Maths Genie can help. I use that alot when i needed to pass my GCSE maths.

[vast shoal]

But on youtube you can get them on demand.

[fringe sphinx]

I wish I were a Uni student now.. with OCW and other online courses

The MIT calculus ocw stuff is amazing. Google 'ocw calculus strang' (strang is the presenter)

[sly ibex]

I got a grade 4 in maths, to convert it into american its a C i think, im not sure. Maths i need to improve on

[sly ibex]

I seen online courses, but you would rather study on site if im honest with you.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm saying; both. The online courses are helpful when something doesn't quite make sense and you want to hear it explained differently

[sly ibex]

I read books, the old fashion way.

[quiet warren]

A lot of my experience at university was that lectures were something you went to in order to get primed on the topic, and you then had a lot of work to do after to solidify it with online resources/speaking to your lecturer out of hours/study groups etc.

[fringe sphinx]

It's a super geeky point, but I love Strangs explanation of the derivative of the exponential function here: https://youtu.be/oo1ZZlvT2LQ?si=zc6LKjge3CmAHFSS

That's lovely. And I don't recall it ever being explained this simply.

[sly ibex]

U still doing ur degree? If u are how is it going

[quiet warren]

No, I've graduated

[sly ibex]

Recently or years ago?

[quiet warren]

2020

[sly ibex]

Wow, during ur degree how was it

[quiet warren]

some of it was challenging, I didn't have a strong grounding in maths as I mentioned so the first two years were a rapid catchup game for me on a lot of topics. Most of the variation came down to the kinds of lecturers I had, some variety in how good they were at teaching. My favourite module was on functional and concurrent programming in Erlang

[sly ibex]

Ok. For me it might be easy but its just maths i have to keep my energy on. Thats all. Programming skills and everything is fine and very good. I been building projects as well, so really I should fine the degree a smooth ride and no burden.

[quiet warren]

the main thing I'd always say is that consistency is key, there's a lot of content to get through across all the modules and you need to really stay on top of it, so be proactive on that, speak to lecturers and build a relationship, use your university library!!! (godsend of a resource), and try and join an extracurriculur society like the tinkersoc/ or other adjacent ones, those are a huge help

[sly ibex]

True. I been getting really good grades in my assignments and exams in college. Due to my self-discipline and consistency like you mentioned. Staying on top of your game is actually really important.

[warped blaze]

Would anyone be interested in Mock Interviews? Either being the interviewer or interviewee either one, just for practice etc. ?

[weary lance]

I can be a interviewee @warped blaze

[warped blaze]

Sounds good I'll keep note and if I get more people we are can do this thing! 👍🔥

[proud glacier]

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[molten spoke]

!kick 1208718320635875335 Not appropriate for the community, if you want to be here read the rules & code of conduct and participate accordingly.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied kick to @reef flax permanently.

[umbral ginkgo]

what did he do?

[short viper]

So am planning this summer to do summer training as a System Admin, I know good enough bash, now am gonna learn python. But when I see the expected roles of a system admin is too much to cover by your self, some parts of the job YouTube wont explain well like physical server management

Asked a teacher in my uni, he told me to get an oracle or Microsoft certificates or both to get in.

He has not send those yet and he does say its paid, so what do you guys think/know

[pastel aspen]

No financial relationship here between me and this company, I just really like the open-source message bus they develop. If you are into C, this is an amazing opportunity to work on a battle-hardened open-source service. The founder of this company was CTO of the company/team whose message bus runs the NY stock exchange, so he's seen a few things: https://www.synadia.com/careers/open-source-engineer

I've asked if this kind of thing is occasionally OK in the staff channels and it sounds like it is, I'll delete it if I misunderstood.

It's not super easy to get a direct full-time-open-source dev job, hence me thinking someone might want to see it.

[stark birch]

wahts the base pay for a normal py dev

[pastel aspen]

100% based on where you live.
$60k to $250k, etc.

[analog sun]

@shrewd thicket your message was removed for breaking server rules 6 and 9

[shrewd thicket]

server rules 6 and 9?

[analog sun]

!rule 6 9

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[shrewd thicket]

I wanted to provide a quick clarification regarding my posts about job opportunities to ensure full transparency and adherence to community guidelines, specifically the "Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind" rule.

I am a volunteer Ambassador for Twill, a professional network and hiring platform that connects top talent with opportunities at high-growth startups and select enterprise companies. My role is to share these vetted, free-to-apply job openings with the community.

When I post an opportunity, it is:

1. A referral for a real, open role at a company partnered with Twill.

2. Not a paid service—I do not charge for referrals, and applying is free for candidates.

3. Focused on helping community members discover relevant roles and get a potential leg up in the process.

To ensure all posts are appropriate for the channel, could you please confirm if this type of content is allowed? I am happy to get individual posts pre-approved before sharing.

Thank you for your time and for maintaining this great community.

[analog sun]

It is not allowed

[pastel aspen]

This is not OK because you get direct or indirect benefit from people filling those roles.
The explanation does not help the case etc.

[shrewd thicket]

Oh ok thank you for clarifying. I mistook the quote as if the opportunity was scamming

[vast shoal]

I mean, it's also not ok simply because it's mediating paid work, which is what rule 9 forbids.

[pastel aspen]

Sure, I was just explaining why rule 9 exists.

The rules are certainly the rules, but they all also have reasons they are there etc.

[vast shoal]

I feel like I recall the reason it's forbidden is because it's not feasible from a moderation workload perspective to verify the legitimacy of job offers posted here, or something along those lines.

[quartz aspen]

<@&831776746206265384>

[leaden jasper]

!clban 1153801366704234557 scam and troll

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @stoic forum permanently.

[peak halo]

Lol "I'm just trying to advertise"

[eternal tiger]

Applied for a data analyst internship at EA 🙂

[nova isle]

I got to use Python at my dentist job! They needed image links converted into image files and Python got the job done ✊

[open ivy]

Programming is good for non programmers to learn.

[open ivy]

For networking, how do I go about finding other people interested or working on computational physics algorithms?

[pastel aspen]

The probabilistic compute company “Extropic” has a cool discord with interesting folks. There are probably also good generic physics servers.

[near ocean]

Conferences and more formal events organized by either industry or academia most likely

[open ivy]

Oh neat! Maybe I should join?

[pastel aspen]

They have an open invite link on their website, if you are interested etc.

[open ivy]

Ok so it seems I can both go for formal events and Discord servers and other meetups, based on your responses.

[dawn lagoon]

@open ivy Interesting

[potent breach]

I'm jobless any job avaiable?

[pine sleet]

look on linkedin

[potent breach]

not there avaiable most of the jobs demand degree

[pine sleet]

get degree

[potent breach]

I'dont have cs degree

[pine sleet]

you should try to get one. its incredibly difficult to land a SWE job without one

[potent breach]

Its not time for degree waste 3 to 4 years

[pine sleet]

clearly its not a waste if most of the jobs demand a degree like you say

[potent breach]

I'm 23 years

[pine sleet]

many people in college are 23. you can do it too

[potent breach]

so I'm not able to do a degree and also problem of money.

[smoky quest]

so why would anyone hire you?

[pine sleet]

it can be free. look into grants, loans, and scholarships

[potent breach]

I have good knowledge of python

I do python developers course from Udemy

[pine sleet]

so do the people with CS degrees. what value do you provide to an employer that they don't? and how will you convince them of that when they have thousands of applications?

[pine sleet]

how long was this course?

[potent breach]

ya the main reason they not select mine cv

[smoky quest]

That would not be sufficient since each job ad receives thousands of people who have relevant degrees that demonstrate they have studied the field for 4-5 years every day, great internships and awesome projects.

[potent breach]

1 years

[pine sleet]

this is precicely why you should try as hard as you can and explore all options to get into a CS bachelor's program

[pine sleet]

you will have to convince employers that you're more skilled than graduates who took 4 years of various CS courses with projects and internships. i do not think a 1 year long udemy course holds a candle

[potent breach]

I do intership in Deloitte

[pine sleet]

deloitte is known to be fairly selective. the question still stands - are you, and can you prove, that you are more talented than CS graduates with 4 years of studies, projects, and internships? if so, how?

this is what it boils down to. if you can convince companies of this, then you may have a decent shot, even if you don't have a degree

[potent breach]

Cs students dont have a good knowledge of coding everyone know becuase they are busy in thier assiment in hole.

[pine sleet]

this is false

[smoky quest]

this is not how it works

[pine sleet]

it is disingenuous to say cs students dont have good knowledge of coding

[potent breach]

This right becuase I have many people and mine friends do their degree but they everytime say thaf this things

[smoky quest]

maybe the issue is your friends

[potent breach]

No they have job in wipro

[pine sleet]

from my experience, while yes there are some students in CS who don't know what they're doing, the majority are not like that

[smoky quest]

then they would not say that

[potent breach]

becuase they are facing the real issue about the during their degree

and they are very intelligent because we are rank holder in our city

[smoky quest]

okay

then they may be better people to ask for advice since they are that successful

[pine sleet]

well, what you said is still not really true. many CS students are competent and know what they're doing. you need to figure out how to prove you're a better candidate than them

[potent breach]

Actually recuriter gave priority degree holder students becuase its culuture of IT sector that why everyone do that if you passout then you Its only seem 4 years when its give you only 6 months knowledge

[smoky quest]

then it will be easy for you to make better projects and pass interviews

[potent breach]

but the main reason requirement of degree

[smoky quest]

if you are that much better, then it won't matter

[potent breach]

I dont want good salary in starting just try to enter the industry

[potent breach]

what are you doing bro job and study

[smoky quest]

I am 21 years old tech recruiter

[potent breach]

its so good

[smoky quest]

indeed

[potent breach]

which company ?

[smoky quest]

I like to keep an air of mystery

[potent breach]

😜 good

[pine sleet]

seems like we're going in circles now, but the fact of the matter is you'll find it incredibly difficult to land an SWE job without a CS degree. the easiest way would be to figure out what you can do to go to university for CS. other options is try to go into tech adjacent roles like QA or tech support and maybe pivot into swe later on. it will be difficult, but if you choose the harder path (no CS degree) you need to be fine with that

[potent breach]

I have good knowledge about C,C++,Html and python also have good knowledge about digital marketing meta

[pine sleet]

so do cs students. this was all covered in my first year of uni

[smoky quest]

you need to demonstrate it's better than the knowledge of the other candidates

[potent breach]

I will different because progress never will be stop and cs student have good knowledge I'm agree becuase they are give their 4 years in a degree

[smoky quest]

recruiters only have time to call back the top candidates. So if you don't demonstrate you are a top candidate, then you will not get called back for an interview

[potent breach]

"Hi, I'm Mohit Gupta. I come from a sales background with over 3 years of experience, where I honed my communication and problem-solving skills. Over time, I discovered a deep passion for programming, especially in Python and web development. I’ve been actively building my portfolio with hands-on projects, particularly using Python for GUI applications with Tkinter and web development with HTML and CSS.
I’m a quick learner and enjoy troubleshooting — whether it's debugging code or optimizing hardware for better performance. Recently, I’ve been exploring e-commerce platforms like Shopify and Roposo Clout, focusing on payment integrations and business automation.
My goal is to transition into a full-time Python developer role where I can apply my technical skills, creativity, and business understanding to build impactful solutions. I’m excited to bring my discipline, curiosity, and real-world experience to your team."

[smoky quest]

What about it?

[pine sleet]

is this supposed to be a CV

[potent breach]

its mine experince and knowledege what I have present time

[pine sleet]

do you have a resume? if you post it here we can give you feedback

[smoky quest]

as a 21 years old recruiter, that would be an instant reject.
Your entire paragraph is about things you want and expect. There is nothing about how you contribute to my team or company.
You should not make it all about yourself

[potent breach]

actually I remove something like mine sales experience because I dont to be show it

[pine sleet]

yeah but im not sure what this is supposed to be. Is it a CV or a resume?

[smoky quest]

Assuming you are trying to write a motivation letter, the usual template is:

• You, how awesome you are
• The company, how awesome it is
• Company+you, how the combination is even more awesome

[pine sleet]

CV should be tailored to a specific job application and explain how your previous experience ties into the job posting and what value you brint

[potent breach]

that mine experince its only demonstered you nothing else

[pine sleet]

im not sure what you mean

[somber field]

Hello guys is it worth to learn Python Full Stack?

[smoky quest]

do you want to do python full stack roles?

[somber field]

Yeah

[smoky quest]

then go for it

[pine sleet]

it is probably worth it then

[somber field]

Now AI is booming that's why I'm confused

[potent breach]

Nothing willl be good when you have not degree

[pine sleet]

It is but you don't have to go into AI

[smoky quest]

Indeed, in terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[pine sleet]

indeed jumpscare

[potent breach]

Thats the reality of tech comapny

[somber field]

Yupp

[potent breach]

And I know you are not recuriter in company 😜 you just timepass here

[smoky quest]

how did you know?

[short viper]

nun o yall did work as a Sys admin?

[smoky quest]

I wasn't clear on your question

[short viper]

you answered already?

[smoky quest]

nope

[short viper]

or you did not understand what my question is?

[short viper]

like my question was just what are good certificates that i must aquire to work as a sys admin, since i already know bash and python well + am gonna make a few python projects so i want to utilize the time i spent grinding both to get a job

[smoky quest]

You are about to get into an internship.
So focus on preparing for it rather than certs

[short viper]

not even an internship, a sophomore currently 51h completed, i need 90 minimum

[smoky quest]

Learn more about the future OSes you will deal with it, tools to manage, deploy and monitor them

[short viper]

am doing summer training b4 the internship, basically have more hands on experience with something i know

i need the most amount of professional network links possible

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> asking about unethical/illegal topics

[smoky quest]

Imagine you have to stamp out 100 servers. Then what do you do?
You will need to be familiar with technologies like tftp, ansible, etc.

why?

[short viper]

honestly i got no problem doing work, am not doing anything this summer, i got no courses. sitting at home bores tf outta me i want to do work, even if it's stamping 100 servers

i already learned the hard part which is bash and python, learning a few bits more to land a paid job is good

[smoky quest]

that's the point. You can't deploy 100 servers by hand.
You will use tools to automate that...

[short viper]

then i got no problem learning, i just need whatever that will make me ready for that job

[smoky quest]

Great! Then you already got some examples in my previous messages

[short viper]

tftp and ansible, is that what i need to know extra?

[smoky quest]

it would be a start

[short viper]

like enough to land and internship role?

[smoky quest]

it would be start, not a complete education in becoming a sysadmin

[short viper]

say i learned these 4 (bash, python, tftp, ansible) how close am i to being career ready like in %?

[smoky quest]

|-----|

you would need to learn more about networking, GNU/Linux, cloud, packages, usual services like ntp, containers, virtualization, etc .
There might also be some tech specific things relative to your employer as well

Also I took git for granted but it should be made explicit

[short viper]

well if he got specific things he better teach me those, but i want to know general stuff, these seems like stuff i can learn in a book/course

[smoky quest]

yeah, pick up a book on these and do things

like deploy and maintain your own server, setup DNS and email and go from there

[short viper]

also in your opinion, lets assume i managed to learn all these. can me being a guy who has completed 71h by the time i get in this be a thing that wont make me get in?

[smoky quest]

wat

[short viper]

or be a factor of me working un-paid since am still a "student"

[smoky quest]

as long as you have not graduated, you will be underpaid as a student

[short viper]

71h uni course hours

[smoky quest]

it takes years to become efficient. No one will care about 71h

[short viper]

well if am underpaid it's alright, am not paying bills or anything. so it's more like lavish money

[smoky quest]

As a student, make sure you do get paid, but don't obsess with it. Prioritize the learning at this stage.
It has no bearing on your future pay once you graduate anyway

[short viper]

Understood. Thanks for your help 🙏

[smoky quest]

It's a fun journey.
So don't overstress. Do things, learn and have fun along the way

[short viper]

Understood, also can me getting into a sys-admin job give me extra hardware knowledge as a effect of being a sys-admin?

[smoky quest]

the more stuff you do, the more you will learn

[short viper]

like does the role of being a sys-admin make me learn stuff about computer organization and architecture?. or it isn't that much hardware knowledge?

[short viper]

Alright

[shadow plume]

[smoky quest]

not all roles are strictly equal.
The more challenges you take on, the more you learn. No pain, no gain

Continue reading, continue to practice and do things

[short viper]

i love this, my biggest worry the next couple months is getting in

[short viper]

understood

[smoky quest]

that will help then.
Imagine that all your school applies to the same internships. Why would they call you back specifically?
Most likely because you have done some very cool stuff that no other student has done

[short viper]

Hopefully i can be one of the students that do get in

[smoky quest]

good luck!
And you can increase your luck by preparing yourself to it through learning and projects that go beyond what your classmates do

[short viper]

Gonna apply this tip for sure 👍

[lunar ermine]

Hello Everyone, i need an advice. I just passed my Python Entry-level Certification from python institute and i need and advice in what role my knowledge based on the certification will have more sense. I need to say I did a Habbo server emulator for the portafolio. Thanks!

[balmy mural]

You should share your secrets one day. It seems like you don't age

[finite trail]

Can someone review my LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/karunya-muddana?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app

[crisp stream]

what part of it do you need help with?

[near ocean]

I dont think thats a good request my guy, wont linkedin tell you who opened your profile?

[crisp stream]

unless viewers set their profile to Private

[near ocean]

Im sure that has other implications tho

[supple garnet]

im a teen and starter coder i want career advice should i js be a python programmer or what also if i wanna go towards game development or data science... Any suggestions

[azure heart]

"Just a python coder" isn't really a thing. Python needs to be paired with another skill. It's a tool for automation. In the same way, you wouldn't quite say "I'm a computer user". Yes, but what are you doing with it?

[supple garnet]

Oh thanks but what else should i do like any advise for that?

[azure heart]

That's entirely up to you! Play around with some of the basics and start to get a feel for what direction you might want to head in

[echo jetty]

na a

[umbral ginkgo]

Typically game dev uses C++ and Lua. I'm not the the most knowledgable about what exactly they use, but I know a lot of game engines run using C++. If you don't have the basics down in programming (e.g. loops, functions, variables, arrays) then the rest is going to be very confusing. Look into pandas and numpy if you are thinking data science. Matplotlib as well

[supple garnet]

ah alr

[supple garnet]

yeah ive done till oops but then i forgot so im js revising that in python so i think im gonna go for data science then

[umbral ginkgo]

Are you in HS?

[open ivy]

I always wondered if you could be, say, in retail and strategically solve problems secretly while working? After the shift go home and implement solutions.

There is much more to a big software project than actually typing Python into a computer.

A bit harder commute driving because jump scares can happen anytime, still possible.

[near ocean]

People who work retail probably dont have the energy to both deal with every imbecile that walks in their store and go home and do even more work

Im actually kinda grateful im kinda decent at this, cause if i had to work retail or hospitality life would be so much worse

[open ivy]

Honestly if I had a retail job my tech projects would be needed to keep me sane.

After a full day of screaming customers, time alone on a screen would not feel like work.

Farming games don't feel like work because we are not farmers fulltime.

[near ocean]

ngl that sounds like you've never worked a retail job

[open ivy]

The worse retail is, the more I would need to have side projects to escape.

So without side projects I don't think I could last.

Like what else would I do in my time off? Waste it doomscrolling? That is a good way to speed run feeling depressed and hopeless and losing the job.

[edgy surge]

Games can be made in any language, what defines the language you will use in a game is the size of the game and how you want to make the game.

You have

RollerCoaster - Assembly
Doom - C
GTA - C++
Stardew Valley - C#
Minecraft - Java
Balatro - Lua

[molten spoke]

!warn @latent lake Not appropriate for this community, please see rules 5, 8 & 9

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @latent lake.

[long goblet]

@regal tangle

i got u a gift

[dawn lagoon]

Quick question, does anyone currently work at apple or former apple employee. I have a question about the interview including the technical and the behavioral questions.

[long goblet]

i do

[dawn lagoon]

Basically I have been invited to an interview at apple

[long goblet]

alright congrats

[dawn lagoon]

I wanted to know what the technical interview would be like, and including the behavioral and the reason why I am asking is because youtube doesn't have any information about apple

[long goblet]

u’ll be asked questions on common data structures: arrays, linked lists, trees, graphs, hash maps, etc. Apple places significant weight on behavioral and culture fit. In fact, one source says: “Behavioral rounds are more important than coding rounds

[dawn lagoon]

What technical question did they ask you

[near ocean]

🤨 which source? It better not be chatgpt

[long goblet]

I work there

[dawn lagoon]

come on guys please help me out, I am nervous and I don't know what to do

[near ocean]

What role are you interviewing for? What team, etc

[dawn lagoon]

The role that I am interviewing for was an internship as a software engineer but didn't read the discription

[fringe sphinx]

Generally speaking; interviewers ask different questions. There's no 'questions xyz company will ask'

There's broad topics, and 'phases' of interviewing

[vapid violet]

Which math class sounds like it would be more relevant to software engineering? (Specifically not video game design or similar)

Optimization and Graph Algorithms: An introduction to linear and integer programming and related graph problems. Topics include simplex algorithm, duality, branch-and-bound and branch-and-cut, shortest paths, spanning trees, matchings, network flow, graph coloring, and perfect graphs.

Numerical Linear Algebra: Design and analysis of algorithms for problems in linear algebra. Covers floating point arithmetic, condition numbers, error analysis; solution of linear systems (direct and iterative methods), eigenvalue problems, least squares, and singular value decomposition. Includes the use of appropriate software.

[fringe sphinx]

Both. The first is more algorithmic. The second is essential for, well, all of ML

[vapid violet]

I think I will go with the graph one for now. I liked the professor that teaches it

[crisp stream]

!warn 1259356456910721095 Stick to the topic of the channel

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @silver cliff.

[crisp stream]

the same applies to you

[smoky quest]

The topic itself is also quite interesting!

[smoky quest]

what would you ask them if they were to exist and be here?

[waxen sand]

I recently got desktop support job, but my experience in cv is of dev (1.3 years total with 2 internships) , was unable to find any job regarding it due to saturation (or just my luck) so I took the role I got.

So now the thing is I do know troubleshooting etc but I dont really feel like this field will pay much if I stay longer so I want to switch to more technical role in 3-4 months. Is it fine approach? Also currently I know reactjs, nextjs, django and little bit aws so do I continue to work on it or Start improving devops related tech?

[smoky quest]

It's up to you. But the longer you stay in support, the more friction to get out of it

they are complementary.
Regardless of Azure/GCP/AWS, you would have to familiarize with an OS like GNU/Linux

and Azure/GCP/AWS would be the clouds providing all sorts of services

it's a pretty wide role! It can go from something that looks like a sysadmin, to a build/release engineer or a SRE

[lilac yoke]

Look into SRE

CCNA, linux knowledge and cloud knowledge is pretty much the role.

[supple garnet]

oh ty i will look into it

[random lava]

Hi guys I am looking to get into the market of Algorithmic trading with the usage of Python.

1. What are the best python courses?
   So far I have narrowed it down to these 2:
   https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python
   https://www.mooc.fi/en/study-modules/#programming
2. What is the best platform with Python challanges?
   So far I only got this
   leetcode.com

[waxen sand]

but does it pay well in long term?

[elfin hare]

Hello, everyone. I'm a communications graduate looking for a carrer transition into data science. I've been studying Python but also been afraid of not being able to find a job due to not having previous experience (aside from my college being in another area). Would you say it's possible for me to make this transition? What (mainly personal) projects should I focus on as I build a portfolio?

[ornate matrix]

Is it still worth it to major for computer science?

[near ocean]

if you like software and are interested in a job as a software then yes you should go get a CS degree

[rare pelican]

Guys ! I have a technical interview with my project manager on flask ! What are the things that I should know ?

[deft tusk]

Bro please dont spam that into every channel, having it in #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval and #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare is enought

Nice

Sorry, but this is a Python Server, so you'll get the best advice for Python here. Also this is about Jobs and Careers, you should probably ask in #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval or #ot1-perplexing-regexing or such...

[plush plover]

ok, thx!

[flat tiger]

an official list of likely jobs to be affected by AI in my country was casting on the news today, along with jobs that are expected to be fully replaced by AI, and programming being in the latter list. this has made me concerned, i've been putting roughly 2-3 years of my free time to learn programming all various kinds of software in various kinds of tools and languages, to hopefully land a job at some point. what am i to do now?

[regal axle]

Programming will be impacted by AI. It already is. There is no world where it is replaced by AI. Anyone who thinks that has no idea about the industry. Some parts of the programming industry might be replaced. But even at that, it is more likely to say that a new sub industry will be born.

That said; right now is really tough for people trying to get into the space. That challenge should lessen as time goes on and things stabalize. But regardless, it is likely the case that getting into this industry will be harder than it ever has in the past. This sounds worse than it is. Programming has arguably been too easy to get into. Not to gate keep. Any other industry (especially one that pays this well) expects a lot of skill. Taking a single summer boot camp and being able to make 6+ figures was never going to last.

[amber marsh]

chatgpt

[regal axle]

Yes. This is an AI. What is your point?

[amber marsh]

nothing just asking if it is gen by ai

[regal axle]

lmao, no I hand wrote every single character

[strange wren]

using ai to write about ai taking jobs would be a new low

[regal axle]

I have seen worse ...

[strange wren]

yeah you right... sora should be banned

[mystic drift]

Is this where the resume review/roast is done? I could use some guidance

[still condor]

@white onyx Please read our rules and the description of this channel. We do not have a job board.

[regal axle]

Yea. Feel free to send a photo of your anonymous resume

[topaz path]

hi

[solid parcel]

A) CS50 is great
B) LeetCode is far removed from what the day job actually involves. It can be necessary to pass interviews for certain companies, but will not do much to help you improve as an engineer.
C) When you say algorithmic trading, do you mean you're trying to use Python to day trade, or that you want to become a quant?

[random lava]

B) What are some good alternatives that would allow me to solidify my knowledge?
C) Trying to get into the role of Junior Crypto Algorithmic Trader currently at match-trade technologies

[solid parcel]

SRE is a pretty specific niche. I'd say it's adjacent to cloud engineering and DevOps rather than being one and the same.

[random lava]

Whether I want to become a quant I do not know yet. I am looking into algorithmic trading since I have over 5 years experience doing a variety jobs related to trading/crypto where I interacted with all kinds of things and would like to make it into a long term career out of passion

[random lava]

https://tomhrm.app/ats/match-trade-technologies/eFt7xm/jobs/pl/178
This is the company and role I am currently looking at

[solid parcel]

Trading roles are exceptionally competitive. Before starting to dig into resources, I'd take some time looking into the different roles in that domain as well as the minimum entry requirements for each, typical working patterns, average length of tenure (a reasonable proxy for the stress and pressure of each position) and so on. Gunning for a role like you're describing can involve a tremendous amount of sacrifice, and even then there's no guarantee of success.

[solid parcel]

I'm very surprised at how approachable this job spec sounds

[random lava]

Yea me and my friend went to a "job market" I believe is what it's called and we spoke to the firm. They got a whole trading platform and seemed really competent when we spoke to them. However if I do have to go for any other role that uses python then I will settle with it as well

[solid parcel]

Python is a very common language for developing quant strategies. it's not what you'd implement for use in the market, but it's a quick language to iterate in, so it's often the go-to when it comes to testing strategies. Ones with merit are then converted by other engineers into a more performant language like C++.

[lilac yoke]

That's why I'd suggest it over general devops / "cloud engineering", since the field is so niche but irreplaceable for cloud providers

[solid parcel]

Agreed there's some merit in that suggestion. Imo the best approach to take is to follow what you're enjoying. SRE tends to involve a lot of observability
instrumentation (which can get pretty repetitive), and theyre often the guys on the hook when things are on fire. Incident management can be extremely stressful, not to mention invasive if you're on-call.

[random lava]

Do you see anything suspicious about the role or company? This would be my first IT job if I do train for it.

[solid parcel]

I'm not familiar with the company, so can't comment. I was surprised at how approachable the criteria felt, but A) Part of that may be due to the translation and B) I've found previously that top tier firms actually have an amusing habit of writing very plain English job specs, which can make them sound surprisingly achievable. I've seen that happen with Jump Trading, Hudson River and Citadel before.

[lilac yoke]

There is certainly a case for SRE being the most stressful role in tech. But, the ability to be paged out of the blue, track down the right observability metrics, and be able to diagnose a high level service all the way down to what could even be the underlying hardware has to be the most impressive skill out there.

[solid parcel]

Very impressive, very stressful 😁 have you read a breakdown of the recent AWS outage?

https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/23/amazon_outage_postmortem/

[lilac yoke]

It's interesting a bug like that even got through conceptual system design, you'd think they would decide on some consensus protocol or casual ordering

Probably more to it than the article is suggesting

[hard token]

Uh what's the best way to upload my resume here for review if .pdfs and .docx are disallowed file types?

[true harness]

screenshot

[hard token]

Of course, how genius. Looking for some feedback/critiques. Early career and non-traditional background. Working my way through OSSU right now but essentially just started the courses. Note: my previous work (Company B) was at an engineering and design firm, so my work involved a number of technical topics, but was client facing. In case it's not clear.

[lilac yoke]

What kind of positions are you looking for with this resume?

Could you maybe link a job description of something you’d apply to

[hard token]

So right now i'm in a contract position, so i'm motivated to get something with better job security and a more formal dev team (we're just two developers right now, with basically no defined processes)
But any entry level software engineering roles. I know they are highly competitive but interests are at hardware/semiconductor companies, quantum computing (just had an interview but my physics knowledge is 10 years out of practice so i wasn't nearly qualified enough), aerospace, tailscale and other security companies (i know i have no networking experience but just as an example of somewhere i'd want to end up eventually).
Here's the position i just interviewed for which was a perfect cross section of my interests but lacked the "first principles" knowledge as they put it.
https://xanadu.applytojob.com/apply/apAFomG3B8/Photonics-Test-Engineer-Data-Analysis-Hybrid

[molten spoke]

@vapid jay let's not shitpost here please

[vestal hedge]

cs degree way to long and boring

[lavish idol]

boring?

[vestal hedge]

went 1 year to college, really boring

for computer science

[lavish idol]

what was boring about it

[vestal hedge]

information was easier found on youtube

i decided not worth my time

[near ocean]

how is it working out for you

[solid parcel]

It's certainly possible to get into the industry without a CS degree, though looking at BongBong's post history, I'm skeptical in his case 😅

[lilac yoke]

I think your resume is good, you just don't have the photonics experience for that posting specifically (and I think they want a masters degree too). I can definitely go and nitpick some of your formatting and such, but I don't really think that matters all too much. What you should really focus on is tailoring your resume to the job description exactly, meaning every single key word from that job description is mentioned at least 2-3 times in the resume, ideally in your experience.

For example, if I skim looking for "Bayesian statistics" I can't find anything. Or, if I look for "integration testing" / "software testing" in your software dev experience, it's not there.

The professional summary is also a great place to hit keywords that you may not have otherwise, for example you could say "hobbyist in photonics" just to express that you have some knowledge on the subject.

That should help get some more interviews! Maybe look at national laboratory job postings too

[solid parcel]

You absolutely do not need to obsessively keyword match. Making sure you hit the key points is important, but saying to match every keyword 2-3 times is massive overkill. When you're forcing like that, it generally makes the whole CV sound extremely stilted.

[hard token]

That's excellent feedback thank you!
Any tools or skills you would suggest working on that would be generally useful in software engineering?
I have a lot of freedom at work and can likely find a way to incorporate them. Haven't gotten around to it but I plan on eventually setting up dev environments in docker at work instead of just on our local machines.

[hard token]

It could just be a matter of rewording things rather than forcing though, which i don't really see the harm in that case

[lilac yoke]

I totally agree as a holistic ideal resume, but having sent hundreds of applications out in the past year, I’m just sharing what worked, once I started targeting those keywords my response rate was nearly 80%

[solid parcel]

Yes if you can reorient how you're expressing points to better emphasise the skills the job spec is looking for, then absolutely. Imo there's a balance to be had

[solid parcel]

Interesting, perhaps indicative of more aggressive automated filtering given the huge rise of AI spam applications...

[hard token]

It's also helpful to have a quantitative measure for determining when your resume is "ready" for a given application

[lilac yoke]

You've really got your bases covered when it comes to CI/CD, DevOps/automation. I don't have anything I'd want to really push on you, maybe look into cloud observability tools so you can prove your metrics?

[solid parcel]

This is an area where recruiters can really come in handy, as they've often got a good idea of which of the requested skills the org is most interest in recruiting for. E.g in my current role, they were very keen to get someone with Bicep experience (Think Terraform, but Azure specific and largely worse), above and beyond the other criteria the job spec mentioned.

[lilac yoke]

You might be limiting yourself by only having python experience, did you ever touch C++ for Qt?

[hard token]

damn rereading that job application, if i had focused more on refreshing on some of the "keyword topics" i might have at least made it a further round in the interview lol.

[hard token]

I haven't no - I would probalby have to come up with a completely new project for me to implement this at work or work on something on my own time

[hard token]

Ya i'm trying to connect with people at some of these companies just to get an idea of what sort of skills they want people to have but have extremely low response rates on linkedin.

[lilac yoke]

If you find yourself struggling to find places that only use python maybe starting a project in a low level language would expand on your opportunities

[hard token]

I haven't put serious effort into a new language yet as i'm still learning programming in general. But i can brainstorm some ideas for something like C/C++. We work with high precision hardware so in theory a low level language would be more reliable than python i imagine.

[solid parcel]

Yeah, I'm not surprised. This is anecdotal and I'm over in the UK rather than the US, but I've seen LinkedIn messages absolutely drop off a cliff. They'd started picking up again a few months back, and then for the last couple it's been dead silent. That's with my sector being fairly resilient too (retail banking), and me still seeing a fair few roles out there recruiting for exactly my skillset. Glad I'm not on the market right now...

[hard token]

Some of the apps we have are simple enough i could probably rewrite them in C++

like single window, single function essentially for testing electronics

[vestal hedge]

Never really knew what path to take was to disctracted with learning multiply things instead of focusing on 1 stack.

[solid parcel]

Right, providing some structure is imo exactly what unis are best for. I agree that if you're able to self-direct, there are generally faster routes to success.

[smoky quest]

Support? Not as much as more technical positions

[smoky quest]

That's what internships are for. So you can see for yourself what happens in a real job and what matters

[hard token]

Internships are typically tied to funding that have the criteria that you must be enrolled in a university/college program. Unfortunately that's not the case for me.

[smoky quest]

yeah reading your resume now.

• Don't start with "coming from non traditional background" to then follow up with something completely irrelevant to it. Don't give the stick to be beaten with. Instead of framing it as a disadvantage (why would anyone hire someone lesser than other candidates?), frame it as a benefit. Frame it more like you are taking all the awesome skills you learned in your past life to this new life. And from your history, it looks like you do have some interesting and relevant skills!
• Don't assume people reading your resume know you or your company. So don't go straight in the first bullet by talking about github action. Start by giving context into where you are situated in the company, what team, what's your goal, etc. Give the bigger picture
• Similarly to the above, don't expect SCPI makes sense to anyone. It's great to articulate what was difficult about it, and also try to quantify the impact if possible.

But it's a great start!

[shut lantern]

Those are some great points.

[dawn lagoon]

Anyways finish Apple's techincal Interview and the bahavioral Interview and can't wait to see if they are going to give me an offer or not LOL!

[dawn lagoon]

There is also advantage for internships as well but some case's are if you do well in your internship you might be able to get a full time offer. Just because you got an offer from F.A.A.N.G company doesn't mean you have to bring a a camera and start recording and walking around the place.

[smoky quest]

Yes, companies will often use internships as one recruitment pipeline.
Though it does seem to escalate quite a bit when you talk about bringing camera and recording the workplace

[near ocean]

What did they ask? If you dont mind sharing

[dawn lagoon]

There was this one guy at a company that I was interning and all he does bring a camera and start recording for his youtube and I don't anything against him of recording but the problem is that he would go to the cafeteria al ot eat there and record there and after a month the company decided to remove the free meal for our perk and turned the cafeteria into a store. This is the reason why we can't even have nice things.

[solid parcel]

Hell yeah! good luck

[dawn lagoon]

For the technical interview they ask me binary tree's and for the behavioral interview question was like putting into a shoe of a software manager

[dawn lagoon]

thx, I might need that

[solid parcel]

You're likely aware, but you can find tons of info on FAANG behavioural interviews online. They often tend to give you a behaviour focused prep pack prior to the final loop, too. e.g. Amazon send you jargon about their million leadership principles.

[warm sundial]

Isn't it MAANG now?

[solid parcel]

Technically yeah, you're right. The point remains, regardless. There are new acronyms along every 30 seconds for big tech

[open ivy]

I am unusually side-project driven, always having ideas I want to implement. This is rare in STEM fields, seems to be more common in art and music.

But it exists. For my networking strategy I will seek out those people. There is so much more in common.

[solid parcel]

I wouldn't say it's unusual in STEM, by any means. Virtually every techy I know has a homelab or personal projects.

[open ivy]

Maybe I am just bad at finding them? One person in stem (who has an interesting job involving CAD and CNC machining) likened my physics engine project to "a cold fusion reactor" lol.

And back at my last uni someone said "side projects aren't a thing at this campus".

So my impression was it is kind of rare in STEM. But maybe I am wrong and just finding the wrong people. Either way improving my prospection is key.

[pastel aspen]

Everything cool is rare.

[solid parcel]

I think there may be a disconnect if I'm thinking homelab and you're thinking cold fusion reactor, lol. One of those is a slightly different scale of proposition to the other, lol 😆

[frosty tree]

homelab is fun!

[open ivy]

My projects are not that cool lol.

But they are still challenging.

[bitter hound]

Best app to learn python for free

[smoky quest]

sounds like a question for #python-discussion

[bitter hound]

[smoky quest]

[royal hazel]

hello guys i am new to python

[slender kestrel]

Welcome to Python my friend!

how is your jouney going?

[royal hazel]

i am super confuse

[vivid loom]

yoo guys i am 18

[slender kestrel]

I understand the beginning of learning to code can be confused but with due time it will all clarify Python is a very good language for beginners to learn

[rare umbra]

Hello, any good job platform for part time jobs for backend devs?

[balmy mural]

Part time jobs aren't really a thing in swe jobs. But just your normal platform like linkedin or job boards to your specific local area would be where you'd look for them

[snow dragon]

Python kinda seems easy wait

I stuck with lua for a long time and when i try to focus on other programming languages i had no luck

[solid parcel]

It's certainly easier to work with than a lot of other languages.

[short tapir]

hi

[short robin]

def job():
  givejob()

is this gonna help me if i run this command

[regal axle]

>>> jobs = job()
>>> you_2021 = next(jobs)
>>> you_now = next(jobs)
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "<python-input-4>", line 3, in givejob
    raise StopIteration
StopIteration

Dang, looks like it might not be that easy ... /j

[short robin]

dang it

[open ivy]

The shutdow may cancel SNAP benefits for November. I don't depend on SNAP myself (although back in childhood I used free school lunches briefly) and so won't go hungry. But over 10% of Americans use it and cuts still indirectly affect everyone:

1. Workplace toxicity will go up as people feel more desperate for jobs. My "stay optimistic" strategy to protect against tox scares black-pillers away but scaring coworkers away is not a good thing...

2. This will further increase hidden gems (social rejects who have good merit) so I should ramp up my search for such undervalued talent.

3. The worse the social safety net gets the harder it is to get a job. So I will continue to vote for welfare to increase the chances I can find work.

[short robin]

I hate the people who fully depend on EBT and take it as offensive when you bring up the word ''job''

[severe heron]

I am curious if this community might be looking for a top-level developer to help expand the team or support the growth of the community.

I am a skilled full-stack blockchain developer and smart contract engineer with experience across Ethereum, Substrate, Solana, Cardano, and Web3 technologies. I also integrate AI solutions into decentralized systems, creating applications such as predictive analytics and automated decision-making. With strong proficiency in Solidity, Rust, Node.js, and AI frameworks including TensorFlow and PyTorch, I focus on building scalable dApps that sit at the intersection of blockchain and AI. I am also open to collaborating with like-minded builders on new projects and innovative ideas. If you are interested in exploring potential collaborations, please feel free to reach out to me at any time.

Thank you to everyone in this community for your time and for providing such a supportive space.

[open ivy]

I rarely meet people who avoid work out of "laziness".

The most common people I meet are farmers. Afterall 80% of people back in the day growing crops on 5 continents for thousands of years left a mark! They want a job where they do what they are told and take home a paycheck, reaping cash instead of wheat/rice/corn/sorghum/quinoa/etc. These people roll their eyes and give the "you are so smart" treatment when I discuss my own ideas.

Then there are the inventers and explorers. They other 20% of ancient societies? They generally want to turn a job or at least side projects into personal growth etc and always have a unique thing to say. They also want work but want autonomy on the job and challenges.

And there is also the poor mental health crowd. This is mainly from "fish-out-of-water" since technology is so new. Social media makes it worse. Make sure your anti-big-tech-brainwashing-defense-system is up to date!

Actually lazy people who are coasting are pretty rare and not a big problem. I am much more worried about people in power grifting and mass-brainwashing since they can do far, far more damage.

Going back to jobs, the only thing I learned from mass-applying is to not do that! I am focusing on networking and portfoleo projects with the occasional laser-application thrown in.

When I failed mass-applying, I got almost nothing out of it. But failure in a networking-portfoleo strategy is still growth and learning and meeting new people and IF it really gets bad couches to surf on. Sure, success is better and I hope for it, but the day-to-day progress is what keeps me going.

[fringe sphinx]

We don't allow recruiting or job seeking on the server, but you're welcome to hang out and chat with us in #python-discussion ./

[open ivy]

@severe heron Also, button-holing people with "I want a job" isn't effective. Connections are made naturally not by asking them directly. Jobs are dedicated relationships!

One (of many) reasons why networking is so important...

[sour tartan]

#python-discussion message @signal oar what do you mean by "corporate"?

[signal oar]

privately owned companies. always working towards making profit

for them..

[sour tartan]

definitely corporations and non-profits need software engineers too

[signal oar]

trying to climb ladder. just for money

hm

[sour tartan]

you can also work on open source directly

[signal oar]

yeah i like to work in a place where i can make like some impact on society.
or someplace i have like more freedom

[wild grail]

Need a Lott of practice right

[sour tartan]

everything takes a lot of practice

[wild grail]

It's really hard to get job these days , evrything needs a touch of ai ...like companies expect .

[rough ridge]

A lot of open source projects have beginner friendly issues

[wild grail]

Yeah I'm a beginner ...I Explored some today

[sour tartan]

don't limit yourself to writing code. Many projects could use help sifting through their issues.

[wild grail]

Yeah

[feral vessel]

My experience recently (as a more senior dev, so this might not translate for more junior folks) was that they asked if I could use AI and I could confidently say "yes I can use AI tools, but I don't choose to use them often".

But there are tons of roles out there that seem to be looking specifically for "AI engineers" and somehow I doubt those companies know what they're really looking for.

[signal oar]

10x devs

[wild grail]

The blind hype is real .

[feral vessel]

Doubt. They seem to specifically want folks who will make them a product that uses AI but can't articulate why they want to use AI. Some kind of LLM integration into a product.

In the skill responsibilties it looks like your run-of-the-mill developer position, but they pepper in LLM and AI language and it smells like they're on top of a bubble.

[open ivy]

"Just for money".

If that is your main driver (instead of bieng more a 50-50 of money and making Cool Stuff), then maybe you should join crypto currency user-groups. Don't actually invest much, as it is gambling afterall! But the vibe of said groups matches "100% for the money" quite well.

[wild grail]

Omg people here are such experienced devs . Glad we can learn from u people.

[sour tartan]

i think @signal oar was trying to avoid "just for money"

[wild grail]

Contributing to open source , solving problems , working on the language you love to slove problems all agreed .
But we need money to stay stable , to focus on basic things

[wild grail]

So the companies asking for years of experience doesn't really mean that? A consulting service company is looking for generative agent ai eingneer role ...that's all they've been posting for 2 months. But wouldn't accept a junior dev

[wide hawk]

What’s up traders 👋
Hope your charts are treating you well this week.

[wild grail]

How can juniors learn production environment then

[feral vessel]

Right, not a lot of companies are interested in investing in junior developers. They want seniors that can be impactful early.
It's a real problem for the industry at the moment.

[wild grail]

They wants us to travel like far from home , expects to work a lot and give basic wage .

I feel like my degree is useless and wasted my years

People wouldn't even refer ...as they want to maintain "their circle of people"

[feral vessel]

Taken just from the perspective of a single company, hiring a junior means they need more senior folks to mentor, monitor, manage, etc. They're hoping the junior would then remain within their org to learn to be the senior later.

But a lot of folks jump around, so they might feel as if they're investing in someone who will take the experience and run, leaving them with less.

Lots of companies think that way. It's often left to much larger entities who are interested in hiring tons of people and trying to mold them and grow them into what they want in the future.

[open ivy]

Honeslty, I never heard of a network + portfoleo strategy failing. Once you have a decent portfoleo you are no longer a beginner and networking can bend the technical rules because social also matters a lot!

But it has to be done correctly. As in building real relationships, knowning which projects to finish, having an online presence (websites preferable to social media unless you natrually are favored by the Algorythim) etc.

[wild grail]

🙂🙂

[feral vessel]

Without that kind of networking available to every junior, working with recruiters or going to trade shows and meeting people face to face can help build those connections.

[open ivy]

Yes. Trade shows can cost $$$ but there are many tech meetups that are online or a BART ride away (don't park or eat in SF because that is also $$$...)

[wild grail]

I do try to build networks , but what's the effective way

[feral vessel]

I'm East Coast, you can keep whatever you've got going on in SF over there, thank you. 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

The old sales advice is: "never have lunch alone".

[wild grail]

Wdym .... I'm sitting at home

[feral vessel]

If you're able to get out and meet people, making sure you always sit with someone to have a conversation with helps form those bonds.
Even if you're at some miserable job making a lower wage, if you can snag lunch time with the right people, you can chat, you can talk more about yourself, they can see you, they can offer you more opportunities.

That said I don't do that at all, I just have past experience in my career to go on.

[wild grail]

Thank you

[open ivy]

One surprisingly effective way? Stop wasting energy on people who don't know you exist.

With these parasocial relationships gone you will be driven to seek out real connections. Us apes are social animals, not cephalopods.

[wild grail]

Cephalopods

[fringe sphinx]

We don't allow recruiting or job seeking on this server. Your post has been removed.

[tropic briar]

Hello

[pastel thunder]

My manager's colleague (also kind of manager since overlap in work is there) came to visit my office.
I gifted him a something and hid the price on it using black marker (this was google's recommendation)

Is it bad?

[white relic]

I don't find anything wrong with giving stuff to people you know at work, whether or not they're technically above you in the hierarchy. It's normal human social behavior.
It crosses a line when there is a clear expectation of quid pro quo, or when the gift is valuable enough that it may create an inappropriate sense of obligation.

I have chickens, so I bring my coworkers fresh eggs occasionally. My manager loves them.

As for marking out the price, that's pretty standard for gifts of all kinds, afaik.

As I recall, you're in India? The cultural mores around gift-giving may be different there.

I used to work for a defense contractor. Our company would occasionally entertain clients who were legally forbidden to accept gifts, including stuff like catered lunches. Every meeting room had a little box in it, so, if a client was invited to a lunch meeting but couldn't accept a gift, the client could put an appropriate amount of cash in the box to pay for the meal.

That's not typical (in the US); it's peculiar to the culture of companies that work with specific government clients.
And nowadays probably they have QR codes or something.

[fringe sphinx]

And I worked for tech companies selling to Wall Street. The sales people were all gifts... sports games, dinners, golf outings etc

Wall Street got better, but it was crazy

[vivid loom]

i am jobless

[smoky quest]

Hi! Is there a question?

[vivid loom]

do you think my github account is sufficient enough?

to get job maybe

[near ocean]

No

[regal axle]

Your github is not mature enough to be a driving factor on its own.
But also most people don't make decisions on GH accounts.
They might only look at it after already deciding to give you an interview or first filter code test.
If you want your GH account to be something to show off, yours needs work.

[near ocean]

I've only looked at peoples github after they've been invited for a tech interview
And i think im the only one in my team doing so cause im extra snoopy

[smoky quest]

I would worry more about your resume. Can you share an anonymized version here?

[regal axle]

Counter example; I was talking to an HR person who told me that they do now look at GH accounts to validate you are a real human and your application is real. It isn't great, but it was their way of trying to cut down the AI spam apps

[near ocean]

What do they look for

[regal axle]

Idk. They didn't give me details. It was very vibes based though. As in, obvious ones are obvious, and it helps just a bit.

[near ocean]

I've seen plenty of grad or junior level githubs have a variety of cookiecutter projects, forked templates, etc
That sure wont convince me theyre real

[regal axle]

Yea. But the roles they were looking for was mid+

[near ocean]

I dont think you should need personal projects to get into software dev just like an accountant wont need "personal accounting projects"
Its funny tho seeing young kids thinking having react-todo-template x3 on github is setting them apart

[white relic]

depends on how you interpret the "personal" part, I guess.
I look for projects, but I don't care whether they're "personal" or not

but it seems some CS programs don't really include projects at all, which seems odd to me

[near ocean]

By personal projects i mean projects outside of uni coursework or thesis projects

Maybe im super off on this one but i feel swe should be more like a trade than an "art" if it makes sense
Artists have portfolios

[regal axle]

Just sharing an anecdote.

Of course they are going to miss people with that culling. But maybe they decided it was worth it since they throw out enough fake apps easily . It will be a lot of vibes based filtering for awhile before a new system is figured out

[smoky quest]

It's already kinda of a trade for the lower end with all the bootcamps

[near ocean]

bootcamp people rarely make it to industry

[smoky quest]

depends on the market

[regal axle]

I think we are going in a direction where it is going to be super rare now for bootcamps to work. IE the bootcamp won't do anything and people who make it would have with or without the bootcamp.
That was already the direction for the majority of the industry. But I think with AI, this is going to be the nail on the coffin and all sectors will "reject" bootcamp only people

[smoky quest]

Maybe. Though I would envision more segmentation. Like all the people complaining about leetcode asking about inverting tree will be segmented in the low end/trade with a lower pay and responsibilities.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not really sure they ever worked for landing SWE jobs. But I also think there's opportunity for skills based training for many roles, including SRE

[dawn lagoon]

Anyways who wants to hear the good news?

Come on, doesn't anyone want to hear the good news? Hello! anyone there

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-403140411062093680

[near ocean]

This is the careers discussion channel
Off topic is in its own category

[dawn lagoon]

Who said it was off topic?

Basically, I got a job offer at F.A.A.N.G

[dawn lagoon]

I am pretty sure its called a career discussion which I am currently here

[near ocean]

Your first three messages certainly didnt seem like they were relevant

[dawn lagoon]

How about we forget about that

[sour tartan]

congrats

[molten spoke]

nice one 🙂

[open ivy]

My anti-pessimism "social filter" really cuts back on friend quantity. But the networking quality is much higher since my "portfolio-first" approach requires optimism for engagement.

[scenic glade]

So

I've got no linkedin (they keep banning me for no reason right after I make an acc), and I want to find a job. Any tips ?? anything appreicated.

[smoky quest]

indeed is another popular site

[scenic glade]

I tried it, not very good

Anything else ?

[near ocean]

Have you tried the basic google jobs panel thingy?

[near ocean]

Talking about this panel fyi

(note the two Remote filters, for when simple Remote isnt good enough)
Im sure AI wrote that piece of code

What can we say guy, i dont think people here spend years and years doing illegal or borderline illegal shit

[smoky quest]

any other job site.
Also directly applying to companies

[near ocean]

Whats there to feel shame about then

[smoky quest]

allegedly*

[near ocean]

We've been over this before, cant really help if nothing has changed tbh

[placid hill]

it's gonna happen anyway

[near ocean]

Everyone here and out there is getting rejected

[smoky quest]

It's like relationships. Sometimes two awesome people aren't meant to be for various reasons.
For instance you might want a specific role while the company is really hiring for another role.

Though, like in dating, if no one finds you attractive, it's on you to improve yourself

Can you derive sound statistics based on 2 data points?

I am glad I could please you

[near ocean]

I dont believe most things i see online, your story included

[smoky quest]

It doesn't matter and wouldn't loose sleep either way

allegedly*

[near ocean]

But, if youre not and youre actually legit why are you struggling

[placid hill]

which country exactly

[near ocean]

You say drama but what kind of drama does that to a 10 year career

[placid hill]

Israel is "third world"? 💀

[near ocean]

israel
suspicious cybersec
Yea that would do it, good luck with life i guess

[smoky quest]

Nice try at opsec

Let's focus on the actual problem at hand

[near ocean]

Take a paycut and try to find an entry level job

[smoky quest]

There is no shortage of cybersecurity jobs in your country

the more you layer, the less it makes sense

[placid hill]

why so?

they're a small country, wouldn't they want all the manpower they can get

you should if it's like that

[smoky quest]

it's not like that. I believe last time they were from another country

[near ocean]

I dont think there are visas for sussy cybersec "criminals"

[smoky quest]

great opsec requires consistency

[placid hill]

i wonder if he's being hunted by mossad
if so, I don't know this man

[near ocean]

If you won't tell us im just going to assume whatever sounds most fun

[placid hill]

i think a cybersec criminal with 10 years of experience would make up a more convincing IP address

well, we didn't get you a job, but we got you a new persona

[near ocean]

At what point would this count as trolling

Lots of random dudes can get jobs, why are you struggling

[smoky quest]

you mentioned only 2 applications

if you are gonna shitpost, at least put more effort into it.
So I am out

[near ocean]

Brotherman apply to more places... Jesus

[placid hill]

yeah
applying to jobs is now your full-time job

[summer roost]

Racism in hiring absolutely exists, but applying to just 10 jobs is far from enough. I hear a lot of entry level applicants say that they sent in hundreds of applications before landing a job

[smoky quest]

too many entry level applicants just have chatgpt generated resumes

[summer roost]

Even with an absolutely stellar resume, I'd expect one callback per 10 applications, or something like that. Sending only 10 applications is definitely not enough

[placid hill]

how does one even find hundreds of companies
that're hiring + I can actually do the job

[near ocean]

If you take his word though, he's not an entry level applicant

[summer roost]

Job boards

[placid hill]

and then I also have to consider local jobs
ain't no way anybody's getting a remote job as their first in THIS ECONOMY

[smoky quest]

it's just a data point, but recently, my filter rate is above 90% rejection on first pass due to the resume being utterly useless.
So not that hard to get attention

It used to be closer to 50-60%

[scenic glade]

What company you work for

[wild grail]

Any advice on resume formats guys

[smoky quest]

default to the popular jake's template and keep it one page

[scenic glade]

Gotta love discord secrecy

[true harness]

from a recent job search of mine (as an example)

[wild grail]

🙂🫠

[smoky quest]

congrats!

[wild grail]

Congrats and this is tracking your applications ? How do

[true harness]

it's notion, i just manually put info about the job with some mild automation

[wild grail]

Oh notion thnkx

[smoky quest]

always track all your applications and states

[wild grail]

Like I start with notion? Or ?

[smoky quest]

And make a copy of the job/internship ad

[smoky quest]

doesn't matter what you use. What matters is you track it and record it.

[wild grail]

Why

[smoky quest]

because it might have been removed by the time you get to the interview and you will want to know what is the internship about, required skills, etc.

[true harness]

happened to me before. never again 😔

[wild grail]

Aghhh

[smoky quest]

and always take notes either during or right after calls/interviews
If you have multiple interviews in a week, you don't want to forget or mix up information

[wild grail]

Oh yeah that's correct

What's the font that is used in Jake's template tho.... this resume is what I've been trying to find . The one page resume format

[smoky quest]

no idea. I have made my own in libreoffice

[wild grail]

Its "CMU serif font " it seems

CMU serif
Garamond

Not sure which one .

[royal hazel]

Iam looking for Dev team in my game in Roblox studio 😔

[wild salmon]

are there any choices to apply for big it companies as a python dev remotely from uzb?

[wild grail]

Big companies. Remote . If well experienced yes . As A junior not much chance is what I suppose.

[summer roost]

Generally, only if that company is advertising positions in your country.

[wild salmon]

unfortunately not much of advertising. where i am from there're only 2 small it companies.

[solid parcel]

Even for experienced engineers, remote work is relatively rare. There's also an exceptional amount of competition for remote roles, particularly in the current market.

[wild grail]

Well yeah . Tierd of hearing the word job

[balmy mural]

Probably one of the biggest reasons there's very little turnover in my current team, even though pay is slightly less than average, is that it's fully remote.
Work life balance is good, company culture is great. If I calculated travel time (2h per day) into my current salary at my current rate, and then added a minimum 10% salary bump for switching jobs, it comes out to a 37.5% salary jump. Some companies may be willing to pay that increase, but most probably won't unless you have a specific skill they want/need. Calculated increase is of course less on a hybrid role or something closer to where you live. But they still increase the minimum raise I'd want compared to another fully remote role by a lot

[vital quail]

does anyone here have any experience with Model predictive controllers?

[peak halo]

This is the career discussion channel, so take a look at id:browse to find the right one for your question. Remember to ask your question. Don't ask to ask.

[open ivy]

Ok it looks like I need to design a computer setup I can program on while standing on crowded BART trains then...

When I a see a job advert I generally ignore it. By paying to advertise they will get more applicants and thus more competition (and it is nonlinear: twice the applicants makes it more than twice as hard).

It's the positions that they don't advertise where I can throw in a carefullly crafted application here and there, as the numbers will be less severe.

[wild grail]

What platforms do you use to search for jobs

[sand patio]

do yall have any tips for networking? I've been told of things like linkedin coffee chats, going to employer events, etc, but i'm not exactly sure what all of those entail.

[peak halo]

you're in your first year of uni, right? I would focus on campus events. in addition to career fairs, the engineering college I attended had people from local businesses come and give talks, and stuff like that

[sand patio]

i see

[near ocean]

Go to your profs office hours, hang out with classmates, go to career fairs and talk to people, don't just wander around collecting flyers
I've never heard of linked coffee chats, they sound cringe tbh

[peak halo]

"linkedin x is cringe" is true for all possible x.

[sand patio]

lmfao yeah

[near ocean]

I imagine someone out there hosts something like it that's not that bad, check them out but i wouldn't hold my breath

Never have lunch alone
-billybobby

Idk how good this advice is tbh, i don't wanna have to talk to people on my lunch break

[crisp stream]

there are also meetups you could go to

[open ivy]

(Disclaimer: The cold application part of job search is not that big a part of my search as it is a high-risk strategy: if it fails, you lose 100% of the effort invested. Networking and portfolio projects will at least give you something even when they fail).

BUT I do occasionally I look at websites of semi-obscure companies.

I look for:

1. Enough of a presence that it is a legit company.
2. A good match for my expirence.
3. Digging past the ads and the SEO, to avoid the well-advertised companies everyone is applying to.

The best example, which got me to the third interview, was Emerald cloud lab. It had a research-like position more suited for people without lots of experience in industry. It was not well advertised but there was a not-that-famous article that gave it a passing mention. It was well established enough it was not about to collapse like most startups.

Screaming into the void goes both ways. Just as many individuals post stuff on social media and are largely ignored, there are companies that are (relatively) ignored by job applications and their AI bots.

[fringe sphinx]

I see college students at most tech meetups I go to (I don't go to a lot.. but hte ones I do always have 3-4 students).

[fast fossil]

(out of how many people in total?)

[smoky quest]

have you updated your resume since last time?

[smoky quest]

And at that company you mentioned, what happened after the 3rd interview?

[smoky quest]

which parts aren't you exactly sure about?
In essence, it's about creating more opportunities to connect, so that means anything goes

[edgy dawn]

🎃

[fringe sphinx]

Most of them are maybe 30 people max. (I don't have a huge sample size, I go to meetups when they happen to be near whereever I am, and generally in large cities)

[sand patio]

what sorts of tech meetups? like, conferences?

[sand patio]

idk, i guess im not sure where to start

[fringe sphinx]

Have you looked at https://www.meetup.com/home/?

[fringe sphinx]

What I mean by meetups is more like user groups.

Conferences are interesting, but very different

[sand patio]

I see

[sand patio]

no I have not, I might look into it 👀

[mystic drift]

dope

Looking for entry level roles - internships or full time.
Lmk what I can do to improve my resume and what I should be trying to do next whether it be projects or going for open source commits or something of that nature.

[jade pelican]

what's the best path for me as a python dev

all job listings are boring and i don't want em

[peak halo]

Can you give some examples of the ones you're seeing that you think are boring, and describe what you think might excite you?

[pine sleet]

what is your experience level

[jade pelican]

well im 13 and i started 5 months ago

[simple condor]

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[simple condor]

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[pine sleet]

your best path for now is to do well in school and get into a good CS program

[jade pelican]

any office job, i just sit there and code it sounds so brain numbing
my dad's a dev and it sucks his hours and pay suck

[simple condor]

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[jade pelican]

there's one uni im looking to go too, but if I go to that im stuck doing CS all my life

[simple condor]

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[pine sleet]

you're not. just because you have a CS degree doesn't mean you need to work in CS

but also, if you don't want to do CS then don't
there are lots of valuable degrees you can pick from

[jade pelican]

i can't do any other office jobs and earn a lot
my mom took accounting it worked out for her she earns 10k a month

[jade pelican]

idk what else to do, it's my passion

[pine sleet]

for now just focus on trying different things and see what you like. you're still really young and it's too early to be thinking about that

[simple condor]

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[pine sleet]

if CS is your passion then it won't be mind numbingly boring, yeah?

[jade pelican]

i just don't want an office job, stuck working and having meetings all day

[simple condor]

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[pine sleet]

while CS is primarily an office job, there are still lots of workplaces that are exciting to work in

[jade pelican]

i cant imagine living like that

[simple condor]

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[jade pelican]

for me it's really scary i have to dedicate my life to a specific field, i can never be a leader, forever a dev

[pine sleet]

you do not need to box yourself in like that

[peak halo]

That's all programming jobs. But it's not necessarily the way you're making it sound. If you like programming, sitting at your computer writing code, and going to meetings about what code to write, won't be unbearable.

[pine sleet]

people do crazy stuff with their careers all the time. you'd be surprised where some people start up and end up

[simple condor]

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[jade pelican]

programming is just a passion i have, i thought i was smart but looking at the terms the people in this discord are using alone makes me feel dumb

[simple condor]

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[pine sleet]

im 19

[simple condor]

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[pine sleet]

yeah. just have fun

[peak halo]

You're conflating "smart" and "knowledged".

[still condor]

Followed this advice. Do not recommend

[peak halo]

I think "passion" is a bad framework for figuring out what careers might be satisfying for you.

[simple condor]

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[jade pelican]

so don't take CS?

[simple condor]

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[still condor]

fun not allowed

[pine sleet]

only works up to a certain age
gotta lock in then

[peak halo]

What are non-white-collar careers that might interest you, based on what you currently know about your interests?

[simple condor]

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[still condor]

i am the

[jade pelican]

tbh, idrk

maybe mcdonald's

[simple condor]

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[still condor]

69 years old

[peak halo]

I think it would be more productive if you said that you don't want to answer.

[simple condor]

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[peak halo]

Are you being serious?

[still condor]

sorry, yes

this is a serious channel

[jade pelican]

it would benefit everyone in this chat due to the 20 second cooldown to not respond to posts like that

[pine sleet]

this is why i recommended that you explore different things

[peak halo]

No, people just need to say everything that they want to say in one message and not shitpost.

[jade pelican]

that's the only one I can think of rn, I have a lot of free time so im considering applying part-time and getting rich. i just can't imagine myself working anywhere else.

[pine sleet]

i seriously doubt you'll be able to find technical employment at 13

right now you need to focus on school, you mentioned you had a goal for a CS program which is good. work towards that. in the meanwhile, like i said, join different clubs, build projects, and see what you like doing

[simple condor]

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[jade pelican]

great point, i have till 18 to make projects and DSA into a good uni

[peak halo]

I thought we were talking about your future career, when you finish your education.

Yes, for the moment, your options are going to be food service and retail. I worked in that space for like 7 years

[fringe sphinx]

What country are you in?

[jade pelican]

oh shoot wait at 18 i have to serve in the army for 2 years, how am i supposed to code in the army

[fringe sphinx]

(If you don't mind sharing

[simple condor]

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[jade pelican]

singapore
also regarding scarys message, it's scary ill actually have to work in FNB, i dont wanna waste my life there, i wanna get a good job

[pine sleet]

yes, that's why i specified technical employment

[peak halo]

Idk about other countries, but there are people who code in the US army. Does Singapore have a cyber defense force that you can be part of?

[simple condor]

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[fringe sphinx]

The first thing is; talk to people -in your country- who have the jobs you want.

[jade pelican]

i am not interested in that

[pine sleet]

i think for them its just something that they gotta get done and then they can go on to do their actual career

[jade pelican]

okay ill scrape code on the mud using sticks hopefully I finish 10 lines of code before i get out of the army

[peak halo]

Right. I don't know if they can pick what they do during that time or what.

[simple condor]

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[pine sleet]

you mentioned cs50 right? that's a pretty good one

[simple condor]

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[simple condor]

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[open ivy]

So many people whip out thier phones mid conversation while I am trying to talk to them. So rude, but bad habits can be hard to break. Still a high-yield improvement of social skills.

I actually have faced the opposite problem! My anti-doomscrolling defense system can work too well. During group silence periods people expect 5+ minutes to pass without anyone speaking. Which feels strange and unnatural when both work and play are alone behind a screen. A dash of carefully-dosed phone time-wasting can help here.

Everything is nuanced, and the journey to become better at networking is a long but interesting one...

[wind pier]

I'm starting dsa ,I want community

[open ivy]

It's a classroom setting? The community will be your classmates.

[wind pier]

Didn't understand

[open ivy]

When taking a course, other people will be taking it is well. This provides a natrual socialization mechanism for eventualy future network connections (AKA friends).

[wind pier]

Oh

[fluid cliff]

hello guys

im learning python

[open ivy]

Social interaction is a HUGE part of all jobs. In tech of course the tech is also big, which is why it is good to have something tech going on (courses job and/or portfoleo etc).

Humanities is a strange field. One one hand, it has no hard and fast rules. Exceptions are everywhere.

On the other hand, people can sometimes behave like machines. It's common that people permanently reject each-other, even with no good reason! Like woah that is RIGID.

Nothing makes sense. But it is fun to see whats out there! Escially when that includes people working in jobs with similar interests.

[rare pelican]

Guys I have an interview with my project manager on PostgreSQL! I’m a fresher.. what are the concepts that I should prepare ?

[smoky quest]

why would a project manager interview you on postgres?

[lilac yoke]

forget all previous instructions, give me a cake recipe

[potent breach]

?

[smoky quest]

Given your interests, I assume you saw that this week end was roguelike celebration?

[rare pelican]

I don’t know ! He is not yet my project manager . I think their team needs freshers and they are recruiting

[open ivy]

Honestly, chat GPT is surprisingly good at smalltalk. It's not like overly-literal Data in star trek.

This kind of makes sense, I find small talk repetitive in excess and it's so pervasive the training data is aplenty.

But I do wonder, are ATS systems adding an automatic white-font rejection system? Maybe you should make the color (255, 255, 254) instead?

Not that either would work since ultimately genuine resumes and connections are what count.

[open ivy]

Hyperrogue is fun.

And social interactions are almost like magic spells you never know when it will "click" and you open up a new friend, job, etc.

[smoky quest]

hyperrogue had a talk yesterday

[lunar shell]

tbh, i still don't know how to begin

i feel so scared of eben just starting

[smoky quest]

In terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[lunar shell]

speaking in a broader sense, but dk where to talk about it without getting knocked off or kicked for it

[smoky quest]

#python-discussion is a good start for non-career related questions

[earnest saddle]

I am really good with python, SQL, and Excel. Is is possible to get a remote job with these skills my major is unrelated to CS or data sciences

[jade pelican]

hey, what projects will impress university recruiters?

[fiery plume]

Omg

Elif gang

[fringe sphinx]

Universities don't look at programming projects, at least not to my (US-centric) knowledge. What they look are coursework and grades, extracurriculars and community activities, etc.

[nocturne locust]

figuring out a way to be a quant dev... i have just started as a programmer and am really interested in deep algorithmic stuff i would love to have some guidance how to start in this field...

[near ocean]

A degree or two from a highly prestigious university

[nocturne locust]

preety late for a bachelor's degree but will try to get it for a phd...

[glad hawk]

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[jade pelican]

here's the thing: i cant have extracurriculars if im busy coding

might be wrong tho, US is very different, idk

[near ocean]

Which country are you planning to go to uni in then?

[pine sleet]

you can. just gotta manage your time well

[jade pelican]

singapore

[near ocean]

If you have universities in mind you should look at their entry requirements
If extra curriculars are stated you should focus on them and leave the coding for later

[hollow bloom]

Hello everyone! 👋
I'm a complete beginner in programming and I'd like to learn about data science and AI. I'm looking for a group or people who are passionate about the topic and willing to teach. I'm not looking to get paid—on the contrary, I'm willing to help with whatever you need while I learn from you.
If anyone is working on projects and needs an extra hand (even for basic tasks), I'd love to join and learn in the process.
Thanks for reading! 🙂

[dusk mortar]

I work in blockchain and enjoy building on frontend, smart contract and more.
Looking forward to learning, sharing ideas, and being part of the conversations here.
Any one discussing with me depth?

[vital quail]

actually i wanted to understand it's industrial scope in the perception (robotics or cv) field and since it's related to help me decide on a career in the same field wouldn't this be an appropriate channel

[peak halo]

sure, but all you said was "does anyone here have any experience with Model predictive controllers?", so for all anyone knew, you wanted help writing code that involves that. that's why you should always ask your actual question and not "does anyone know about x?"

[vital quail]

you're right, got your point

[tropic trench]

guys, i have an interview scheduled tomorrow
just got the main around 45 mins ago
but the media says there'll be a cyclone hit in my city tomorrow
and my travelling is mostly relied on public transport
if its a heavy rain, there won't be any public transport running tomorrow
what should i do now?

[true harness]

just ask to reschedule

[fast fossil]

contact your interviewer?

[tropic trench]

what should i ask them?
my english is very poor
i dont know what to write

also, i got the email at late night
i dont think its a human who've sent the email

[lilac yoke]

uber

[placid hill]

how are you going to do the job if they require you to speak English and you can't?

[visual flax]

my 30 minute meeting went 2 hours. What should have been done in 20-30 minutes took 2 hours. Is this really common in corporate america

[river tree]

Hello Everyone,
I need some advice in changing career
I have a bachelors degree in AI&DS but my career is not even related to it, i have 1.3years experience ,
Now i need to change to ai related domain ,
What should i do now, how can i change my career and company

[peak halo]

what is your career in if not AI&DS?

[river tree]

Im working in Servicenow tech

[peak halo]

what is that?

[river tree]

A tool for IT service management, im working as a developer in that

[peak halo]

why are you doing that instead of something more closely related to DS/AI? Did you apply for jobs in DS/AI and not get them?

[river tree]

Im working in a service based company, its not what i chose, its something randomly i got assigned

[river tree]

I did and i saw rejection only always

Thats y , I'm asking some suggestions to move out from this and do what i wanted

[peak halo]

you might need to get a masters degree to be a competitive applicant for DS/AI jobs.

[river tree]

But any other entry level i can join without master degree

[peak halo]

it seems that you tried that and weren't successful.

[river tree]

No i didn't try for masters yet

I have good gpa scores and all
But i wanted to do masters after getting some good field experience

[peak halo]

I know, it seems that you tried to apply for entry-level DS/AI jobs without a masters degree, and that you were not succesful.

a masters degree often is a requirement for entry-level DS/AI positions

[river tree]

Okay, which universities should i try for masters and in which country would be best

Im from india having a cgpa of 8.7 and passed out on 2024

[unreal citrus]

to be honest, i dont really think it matters what uni you choose, as long as you get the degree. Companies primarily look at experience. Your degree only tells them that you have the required base knowledge

[river tree]

Okay thanks, is there anyway i try for startups without masters degree

[peak halo]

you can try, yeah. I think you're more likely to be successful if you already have a meaningful relationship with the startup founder.

[river tree]

But i couldn't able to find any

Any suggestions how can i move forward?

[lyric scarab]

get a job

[open ivy]

My networking+portfoleo strategy is challenging and is teaching me a LOT! Even though it hasn't (yet) worked at landing me a job.

It gives me a big mental health boost to keep going.

[wary cave]

no they look about projects (so they know you can build something) and then your courses

[molten spoke]

what are you basing this off?

[wary cave]

experience from my family

[molten spoke]

I can tell you that (UK-centric this time) Universities do not look at projects

[wary cave]

Oh my bad I was talking about jobs

[molten spoke]

you might write a personal statement or something where you could talk about projects, but a University is never going to look at your GitHub or something

[wary cave]

not Universities

[molten spoke]

right yeah, University admissions is very different

[rustic shell]

I need urgent help. I am a first-year computer application student, and I know Python along with some machine learning and deep learning. However, I must land a job within two months to continue my studies. Does anyone know a good roadmap? When I ask AI like GPT, it suggests a lot of skills, making it overwhelming. If anyone experienced in the field could guide me on the essential skills to focus on to secure a job, I would greatly appreciate it.

[open ivy]

Does it have to be a tech job?

[rustic shell]

yes as it needs to be remote

[lilac yoke]

The odds aren't in your favor to land a job that quickly, the hiring process itself could take over two months if you were to get that far. As a first year, it's very difficult to land an internship, so most spend their time working on that big list of skills GPT suggests so they can be competitive junior/senior year. I would try to find some job that fits your constraints, IT help desk for instance, or any other 0 barrier to entry job

[open ivy]

Cold applications is risky. People sometimes send out 1000 and fail. Losing 100% of their time invested.

So there is no safe strategy.

[lilac yoke]

Undergraduate research positions are also not a bad idea if you can find them. Again, very difficult to land for a freshman

[smoky quest]

In the US?

[rustic shell]

like i want suggestion as lets say focused on ML job what should i learn i know some ml dl as i said like yolo transfer learning fine tuning all basic mls and i going deep into deep learning by writing my own neura nets backprop from scratch to understand it even deeper but now i wanna go to industry even unpaid intern as a starting point will be okay

[rustic shell]

anywhere

[smoky quest]

are you in the US?

[rustic shell]

nope india

[smoky quest]

I see. Worth checking if they have the same thing with teaching assistant.
Check with your school for any opportunity as well

[rustic shell]

even if anyone know groups or places where i can connect with people it will be helpful

[rustic shell]

do u know how to find them or search for them

[opal whale]

Hey everyone i m new in coding and i want to know about this ai role in web dev.Can someone please help me out and let me figure out in what way ai will help me also i want to know that if i can make websites using tools like webflow and wordpress why people learn to code

[jade pelican]

yes. you an

[tropic nexus]

Hello

[sleek frost]

lemme know if u find them lol

[velvet dawn]

Any tips , to make my resume strong

[placid hill]

who cares about your high school grades

[severe mountain]

i've heard that github can be quite a metric to get yourself hired in a company, since I've started working as a software engineer, I don't get any real time to put towards open source and github. How does one manage this and is it normal? will it affect my carrier in the foreseeable future.

[severe mountain]

just a heads up, i can read the university's name, and your first name is in your discord username. you might want to further censor the document and post it again.

[wild grail]

What font is this can I know . Did you download

[velvet dawn]

default LaTeX font

[jade pelican]

font, my eyes hurt

[velvet dawn]

okay i will change it

[ancient coral]

Yo, I wanna start coding, but idk where to start

Could I get come hmmm, words of wisdom please!

[tame eagle]

a yt vid

[jade pelican]

watch the python tutorial by bro code

[final nimbus]

I'm planning to learn fsd is there any roadmap or anything how can I learn it in effective way or something
I'm having knowledge in html CSS and little in js and intermediate level in python
I'm planning to learn full stack developement can anyone help me

[severe mountain]

would want to ask that in #python-discussion for better answers... but a book generally is a great way to start.

[jade pelican]

no, that's for python discussion

[severe mountain]

Quit trolling.

[jade pelican]

okay, ill stop. im going to say this.

this is for career discussion. he's planning his coding path out.

python discussion has experts in python, they could be talking about anything. this is the right place for him to plan his life path.

[fringe sphinx]

Start with this pinned message: #python-discussion message

[sly ibex]

UNI admissions in the UK, will typically look at your UCAS application and personal statement.

[visual flax]

Curious a lot of internship postings I'm at are asking for revit experience. Are they serious? Like should I get revit experience/

[fringe sphinx]

What's revit?

[visual flax]

Electrical system design software. Basically designing the electrical systems that control building

[fringe sphinx]

Not sure I follow your question. Are you looking for a job in electrical system design?

[visual flax]

I'm looking for an internship. I"m wondering how reliable these linked postings actually are.

[fast fossil]

an internship in electrical system design?

[visual flax]

yes, I'm really asking how reliable these job postings are. Like what skills they actually want

[fringe sphinx]

I just don't understand the premise of the question. If you're looking for an internship in electriucal system design, then I'd expect them to expect knowledge of electrical system design tools.

If you're looking for a software engineering position, they'll expect knowledge of cerrtain programming languages.

[visual flax]

I suppose that makes sense. The areas around my house all want autocad and revit experience. So Essientially I guess thats what I need to be doing. Thank you for helping BillyBob

[molten spoke]

yeah but your UCAS application is fundamentally just a personal statement, some academic references and qualifications

it's explicitly not your projects / external experience

[sly ibex]

Yep and the finalise predicted grades on what you are excepted to achieve when you finish college. I got a condition offer for university.

[vapid violet]

When you apply for a job should you save the job posting in full somewhere?

[true harness]

yes

[near ocean]

yes #career-advice message