career-advice

[atomic geyser]

Do you recommend Python for freelancing?

[vast shoal]

Ok, whatever you're applying for, you should emphasize the skills that are most relevant to it.

I don't know if you should apply to every job. Maybe you'll have to if it's difficult to get one.

[vast shoal]

I don't really recommend freelancing.

[rapid holly]

thanks:) helped alot

[atomic geyser]

In Python or in general

[vast shoal]

In general.

[atomic geyser]

But this is just a temporary option until I finish my education.

[vast shoal]

You can try, I guess, but it might be better use of your time to just work on projects and study in your spare time

You probably won't earn much income, if you're able to earn anything at all

[wintry juniper]

guys, i am still learning python but whenever I have tried to find jobs related with python programming, I don't find one. Everyone wants experienced one,is there any solution? Can I even find a job without certificate?even when I hv skill

[atomic geyser]

How can I get projects for training?

[wintry juniper]

same question

[atomic geyser]

?

[wintry juniper]

like same question I hv got many times, it helps us improve our skills

[atomic geyser]

What is your specialty in Python?

[fast fossil]

why shouldn't a resume stand out with colors? or rather, why is the typical format of a resume rather black on white?

[vast shoal]

Maybe because it's harder to choose a really bad color combination

[fast fossil]

if it's harder to choose a really bad color combination, why would you choose some color combinations given the chances that it would not be really bad
and also make your resume stand out visually
perhaps, it might be more distracting

what about say, a "dark mode" resume (white on black)
but what I meant was more like colorful accents here and there, just to make it less boring (and also sort of stand out more, perhaps, it might compel a reviewer to look at it for longer, increasing your chances, they notice something they might like about you (or the opposite, but we don't talk about that))

[vast shoal]

I think it might be more harmful to your chances if your resume looks silly, than if it looks boring

I at least would rather hire a sane stable boring programmer rather than a wacky programmer

I think a lot of people don't have good enough design sense to make decisions about color accents

And unless you feel very confident, it's probably safer to just go for the boring option

[fast fossil]

I would suggest using a template, but that's the opposite of "standing out", lol
also, what about just going with something you find pretty? wouldn't that also say something about your confidence to the reviewer regardless of them finding it a good design choice or not?
what about other creative touches? I mean, probably shouldn't turn your resume in performance art, but still, something highlighting one's creativity

[vast shoal]

If you're sure other people aren't gonna think that it looks super wonky

Even if it's subconscious, I think it might lower people's evaluation of you if it does

[fast fossil]

also, for the sake of the discussion, suppose you get a graphic designer to do the accenting for you

why would it lower people's evaluation of you? (that'd literally be judging a book by its cover, smh (not that people still wouldn't do that...))
I see ways it can do the opposite: shows creativity, confidence in one's ideas (and execution), willingness to take on risks (can't tell if that's necessarily a good thing, it could be, it could also not be)
besides, the content of the resume would still be good, it's just, the resume would also stand out visually, it would attract more attention to itself (which again, could not be what you want, but I'd like to think that it would help)

[vast shoal]

Yeah, sadly people do things they ought not to, like judging books by their cover. It's human nature. I think that's more likely to be the outcome than giving you bonus points for boldness and creativity if your resume looks like crap.

Maybe you get an equally wacky recruiter or interviewer, but I personally doubt it.

[fast fossil]

hmmm, this could be like... researched or something
could do like a large-ish scale experiment and a survey on top or something
(just brainstorming ideas for myself, but this seems useful (well, until everyone starts doing that and then it's all the same anyway))

[vast shoal]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[strange socket]

Should I take Calc 3 for BSc CS?

It's not required

[peak halo]

What are your alternative options

[strange socket]

nothing in particular, just asking as a hypothetical

[true harness]

i think yes. even if you aren't touching ai, it will give you a good feel of some of the math involved

[vapid jay]

it depends

[vapid jay]

what yall think of my shitty website https://maxcomperatore.com/

[summer roost]

doesn't appear to be malware

I appreciate that about it

[zinc stone]

@rapid holly

I can make a 5x better resume for u

[rapid holly]

okay do it

[zinc stone]

i need u to provide me instructions on what u want it to be like in dms

[rapid holly]

idk ive never created a resume before even if you do something im only gonna use it as an idea ig?

[zinc stone]

Alr

[rapid holly]

so you create resume for ppl?

[zinc stone]

Ur my first ever client 💀

[rapid holly]

dang nice

[zinc stone]

i will use the previous one and jus make it better

[tropic cove]

Hi

[zinc stone]

hi

[zinc stone]

hey what are u a software dev?

[rapid holly]

sure

[true harness]

sus

[rapid holly]

i mean arent you a software dev if you can make software?

or whats the definition?

[zinc stone]

ye idk whats sus

when do u need it done btw

i cant understand a few words cuz the image blurry cuz my pc is potato

i will send u the code when its done so u can edit it however u want

[zinc stone]

@rapid holly

i will dm u the code

[rapid holly]

sure

[rapid holly]

i mean thats not my resume just what i was using as an example and ppl here said its best not to do it:)

[zinc stone]

._.

[rapid holly]

yeah the ss is indeed blurry

[zinc stone]

i just sent it, its the most basic one but resume cant be made that fancy

[vivid moss]

Hello, I am Gabriel.
I am a senior full-stack developer from Philippine. I have 7+ years of full stack development.
I am looking a new vacancy right now.

[vast shoal]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[uncut topaz]

#❓｜how-to-get-help p

[vapid jay]

nah dont test urself

just ask chatgpt to explain how to do it and then continue if u get stuck

its not possible to do ur first project with just tutorial knowledge just practice

[random solar]

Hi how’s everyone doing? Here is the general chat right?

[vast shoal]

No, this is #career-advice

It's called that because it's about career discussions

[random solar]

I got it now , thx

[slim cosmos]

people who touch grass 🗿

[slim cosmos]

then i have no career

[cobalt terrace]

Hi, I am looking at what to do after uni and saw some course advertisements for AWS. I am trying to figure out if it's a good career prospect from anyone who does it here?

[regal axle]

“AWS” or any cloud technology, is never your whole job. It can be a good skill to have. And widely used. But there is more to it than just learning the platform.

All to say; there is more nuance to be able to give a blanket “yes/no”.

[cobalt terrace]

What I like to ask is how transferrable are AWS skills/knowledge to other cloud provider. Also, if the job market from your point of view seems good?

I saw some comments about azure

[buoyant seal]

AWS is dominating twice more market than GCP/Azure.
Otherwise yes, skills are transferable and common job requirement to know at least one of big cloud providers.

The job themselves asked to know AWS are stuff like DevOps engineers (Also system administrators and databae administrators and different other shades of Ops), Backend developers (including solution architects, or however else u name web devs, sometimes includes full stack devs too), Data engineers/ML people
Any job role related to development of smth for web => can benefit from AWS

[buoyant seal]

Fair warning @cobalt terrace AWS is ridiculously bloated and complicated (and has over hundreds of different provided services), and good novice experience to use Hetzner instead for his first web dev deployment experience.
As DevOps engineer i hold opinion that AWS is usable for configurations only with infrastructure as a code tools like Opentofu (book Terraform up and running) or Pulumi. Too much complex for ClickOps.
Usually AWS is just completing skills of job role on top (at least for backend devs) and serves as a high boost to increase their value as back devs, though for some roles it can be primary stuff to know instead (for devops engineers)

[cobalt terrace]

How did you start learning this or how would someone who does not have experience in cloud computing go about learning this?

Are there sources to practice/learn from, you recommend?

Cause I am so unsure what to do, I was looking at backend and frontend dev but the overall digital market seems so daunting at the moment

[near ocean]

There are courses everywhere, if you could do it at work that'd be the best
Check if your company does "shadowing" events, where you can shadow a devops or op guys and learn, and also take advantage of development and learning stipends for courses and certificates
These things arent cheap

[fathom monolith]

is it weird that i want to use python for its general purpose power but i dont want to use it cuz i feel like the syntax is too easy

[pine sleet]

yes

[buoyant seal]

<@&831776746206265384>

[peak halo]

@vivid moss your message was removed for asking for a job directly. you can ask for job hunting advice, but you can't actually get jobs here.

[near ocean]

What does it mean for a syntax to be too easy
What about that is bad

[peak halo]

if you're doing general programming stuff (not anything with specialized low-level concerns), and something you think should be hard is easy to do in python, that thing isn't actually hard.

why should things be hard if they don't have to be?

[fathom monolith]

I want the syntax to be slightly challenging, like the syntax for c++

[near ocean]

syntax is the least relevant thing about a language
its the part you learn first and then never think about

[fathom monolith]

This will sound horrible, but I want stuff to be difficult so that I can impress

[peak halo]

You won't impress anyone with this mindset.

[near ocean]

Make things that are difficult then

[digital fjord]

when you start doing difficult things, Python won't save you.

[fathom monolith]

I mean I am currently making a language using python

[fathom monolith]

Yeah true

[modest kraken]

If there’s an open position for a company and I feel like I am somewhat qualified, but I can’t work a full time job, is it okay to cold email the company asking if they accept summer jobs or internships

[peak halo]

I think it is.
You could also apply for position normally, but include an objective statement in your resume ("Student seeking full-time Summer work or part-time year-round work")

(That's the one circumstance where I've heard recruiters say that an objective statement is helpful for them.)

[long dune]

hi, I am interested. Open to talk about how we can get along to do this.

[wheat swan]

Hello

[vast shoal]

It'll be impressive if you manage to solve a difficult problem with ease.

Not if you make things artificially more difficult so that you'll solve fewer problems slower.

[fringe sphinx]

What's funny is: everything seems easy when it's done. I'm rarely impressed by anything I understand. What I'm more impressed by are more nonfunctional things, like perseverance, code structure and testing, etc

[fathom monolith]

thats actually really good advice, thanks

[vapid jay]

i heard pros know how to do themhow to structure your github repos folders ?
that employers love to see?

[fringe sphinx]

Best suggestion is to look at various projects and get a sense of what different ppl do

[vapid jay]

ok i see people do many things differently code from google lets say seems too conveluted and unorganized yet its kind of the industry standard so im confused

[atomic gulch]

bruh

[fringe sphinx]

Pick a project and look at their top level files and directories. And ask: 'why is this here'. Like, why pyproject.toml? Why .GitHub? Why tests at top level? Etc

[vapid jay]

thanks billy

[amber wave]

Hi

[ripe thistle]

Different places different standards I suppose, a popular dataset is the Kaggle Titanic for prediction https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/titanic

[icy pagoda]

this is common to a lot of people tbh; you can use it against others

for example if a hackathon panel is mostly software devs/web devs/ML etc, all you need to do is throw something hardware in

they won't be impressed by something they know but they often do get impressed by things they don't, which in reality is just as easy

I actively try to stay away from that while judging other's things but well, human nature

[fringe sphinx]

lol. I want to disagree but you're right

[modest kraken]

This is very right

[hearty island]

work is finally going smoother

[fringe sphinx]

That's awesome. You adapting to them or them adapting to you?

[hearty island]

i told my boss i'd like to internally transfer to another role once i hit my 1 yr mark. and since then she's been super invested in me. project after project. day after day. she's actually having my firm pay for the CFE too, certified fraud examiner

[fast fossil]

<@&831776746206265384>

[sand patio]

!cban 1017872592612376616 advertising

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @valid geode permanently.

[vapid jay]

Is it possible to get a job being a super expert in python? Ive been lately trying to learn programming, no degree or experience, but it´s not like my job ain´t a dead end either.

Have been making a mobile app these days.

[pine sleet]

you’d have to define “super expert in python” since such things are hard to quantify, and maybe, but generally you get hired for more than just knowing python

[vapid jay]

ay well you´re right.. something like.. RPA

[summer roost]

It's possible, but most professional programmers know and regularly use multiple languages

[vast shoal]

Being a software developer involves a variety of different skills and tools, one type of which is programming languages.

[true arch]

hello everyone i have a thing to ask:
so i have 2 branches on github test and main, on test branch i have a few .py files that i would like to commit on main branch but not everything from my test branch so is there a way to do it?

[vast shoal]

This is a channel for #career-advice

If you need help, use #1035199133436354600

[autumn pagoda]

Hey 👋, I am currently looking to boost my CV, I'm looking for a new job as I'm not getting a permanent role at the company I've been interning at for a year and a half now. My skills are Unix , enterprise Linux, python, docker, Jenkins and kubernetes. Is there more I should learn, does anyone have project ideas? Thanks in advance.

[hearty island]

how’s it going man?

long time no see!

[plucky grove]

As a teenager, what should and shouldn't I include in my CV?

[true turtle]

!ban 1290809354777399299 30d You've been told before that we do not allow recruitment on this server several times.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @velvet salmon until <t:1746362770:f> (1 month).

[wheat swan]

Hello,guy

[true turtle]

Hello there

[wheat swan]

I am so glad to meet you. As you know, AI is changing this world. The incredible events which we thought as impossible before is becoming reality. I know cooperation is much better to improve ourselves. So I want it.

[pine sleet]

[sour oxide]

is harvard cs50 good?

[pine sleet]

yeah

[vast shoal]

Yes, it's great

[tired cove]

Why does every job posting on LinkedIn, even new ones, have hundreds of applicants regardless of the field?

[near ocean]

Its a great career and people want in

Im assuming youre talking about software developer jobs

Also a bunch of bots on linkedin, but demand is big regardless

[solar laurel]

Is cybersecurity good career path

Im doing this course with my friends

[regal axle]

Sure. But an even better career path, is the one you enjoy doing. IE do what you like. And if cybersecurity is what you like, go for it.

[solar laurel]

What skills are required to learn cybersecurity

[solar laurel]

Im neutral idk what I enjoy

Am I cooked with this mentality

I enjoy gaming but I can't make a career out of it for sure lol

Somehow forced my mind to study actually but still average at it and trying to be better

I don't hate it nor love it that's how it is now

It's more like a responsibility than what I enjoy

From when I was a kid I was not interested in studies and after many years the school failed me in 9th grade and after that I took responsibility and started learning

I don't enjoy it but I don't really have any other options

[regal axle]

No. Most people don’t know what they want to do. You have tons more time.

[regal axle]

Do you like it more than typical other things? Sometimes that is enough for people. Well,,, that plus the part where a job makes you money to do the other things you really enjoy

[solar laurel]

I like computers so

I find it interesting but boring when taught in college

[regal axle]

IMO, the fact that you are thinking about these things, is a good sign. Be introspective and continue to asks these questions. But I can’t answer them for you.

[solar laurel]

Have to find ig what I am interested of in IT field

Currently learning a cybersecurity course with my friends

[noble sail]

Guys what do you think about machine learning? Is it a good path???

[buoyant seal]

Hyped, expensive (in requiring videocards and costy data), and repeative in attempting to squeeze more performance precision from black boxed networks, long awaitings of iterations to retrain to see if any usable result is receive.
I did it for my Master's Degree and found it as a thing i am not able to appreciate at all.

If u think u have desire to this path, sure do it.
But preferably have solid backup job role like Data Engineering one, that is feeding machine learning and often required to be done instead first.
Or investing into Data scientist role. (Which ask to be liking Math enough)

I think from the point of a picking safe for career path, Machine learning stuff is like Gambling. U could be lucky, u can be not. Hype could already go down when u master it.
There are safer paths to go instead, as there are plentiful amount of more normal Software Development jobs. They may be not as paid as ML can be, but they are more reliable in occupying large amount of market (So kind of more possible actually climbing to maximum payments eventually)

[peak halo]

it's a high-paying career if you're willing to invest a lot of time in your education and can maintain a positive attitude about learning a lot of theoretical math.

[noble sail]

Right now I’m 16 and I’m learning python(I can say I’m intermediate), my goal is to master python,c++, and tensorflow/pytorch before the age of 20. But I still haven’t figured out if I really want be a machine learning engineer. If I master the languages I mentioned, which other paths can I choose too?(considering I’m going to study computer science)

[peak halo]

if you want to get into ML, don't try to master tools. try to "master" concepts.

[digital fjord]

studying computer science is enough of a foundation for most paths you can take in this field.

[fast fossil]

(case in point, tensorflow is dead)

[buoyant seal]

Python is usable also for Data engineernig and as mentioned as good foundation to feed machine learning.
Python is also usable for Web Backend Development.
C++ is usable for Game development and Desktop development in general, also often requirement in Embedded dev.

Out of all those things the most compatible is Data engineering obviously, as they are usually required along side of ML
And they deal within similar Tech Stack to ML people.
Except Data engineering requires more Software development core subjects to know and being more immersed usually in using some cloud stuff

Game dev and Desktop dev in C++, as well as Embedded dev should be having that much of entirely different domain stuff to know, that your learning of C++ for ML will be very much not transferable highly likely.

Language makes less impact here, as specific job roles require knowing domain specific stuff to them, fluff of tech, and investment in other skills
Easier learning new language for doing same job role, than learning entirely another domain of job role even in same language

[digital fjord]

Simulation, modelling etc also uses a lot of patterns and backing math very similar to what you do with ML, even if it may be done with different libraries and differently named.

[noble sail]

What do you think I must do now? Do you think learning data science first would be better than just learning languages? And, which languages would you recommend learning aside of python? I want a set of languages that would be a great foundation even if I change my career path in the future.im really into technology and I don’t have a problem with different fields, I would like to work in any field that is in computer science.

I’m obsessed with learning everything I can learn about every bit of Technology, I think knowing different concepts and languages would make me a better programmer

[buoyant seal]

<@&831776746206265384>

[half geode]

Sorry

🙏🏻

[buoyant seal]

i follow the path of a Backend dev / DevOps engineer. I target web development and its server infrastructure as my domain.
I am more able to recommend stuff fitting Software Developer job role

I would give recommendation to learn besides Python, Java (with potential going into Kotlin, which is sort of Java bleeding edge version kind of), and explore Rust at some point.
The point of those recommendations that all those three languages have Wide support, Java usage at least rivals Python and more wide spread usable in pure software engineering. Java is usable for web backend, desktop and android development as well as Data Engineering like Python.
Rust out of all those three is least in job vacancies at this point, but it is growing in popularity and you are young. This language apperently among young language won for more Data Engineering usage, as well as currently cool usability in providing ability to utilize Wasm for web front in mature way.
All those Three languages are having something other language of choice can't, but all three are usable for Data engineering, which can be a good foundation for serious Machine Learning. And you can start more small with them with making Web sites through them.

All three languages, Python, Java and Rust are usable for data engineering, but at the same time:

• Python is unique in its simplicity to be started used and easy to write scripts/short amount of code. Even very low skills in tech people (scientists) are commonly able to use it in some capacity.
• Java is unique ability to write code at scale, while retaining simplicity of language with garbage collection. You can write more long term supported programs with it, and also trying your hand in game modding for Minecraft or Starsector, or even trying your hand in Android and Desktop dev
• Rust is unique in memory features for memory management and able to provide ability to write most performance efficient programs. And mentioned web front in wasm.

Python and Java are dominating here for Data engineering usage, while Rust is young contender to do it.
I believe where Data is present, there will be more Machine Learning job role opportunities if they are your goal.
presences of Data abundance creates job opportunities to feed Machine Learning training.

Learn also well Auxilary language known as SQL of course, with potentially trying some backend development. SQL is known to be language of data scientists/data engineers too. Its learning is not big in comparison to investing yourself into wielding general purpose languages though

[buoyant seal]

At the same time as u desired, u will be able switching with those languages to different job roles besides Machine Learning if u wish.

[brisk swift]

hey is anyone here into data analytics or like who knows some tools like SQL and pandas, I'd really appriciate some suggestions like currently im learning python from cs50 so inorder to learn these tools do i need to do more than cs50 course or is it enough

[noble sail]

thanks for the advice! i really appreciate you taking the time to guide me, you helped me more than you can imagine.

[limpid ridge]

Yeah over here

[noble sail]

hey can i ask a question? since you major in data analytics, and they are pretty close to data science, which languages or tools would you reccomend me to learn for data science(for ml engineering)? im 16 rn and im learning python.

[limpid ridge]

@noble sail Since you're already learning Python at 16, you're off to a great start for ML engineering! Stick with Python—it’s the go-to for data science—and master libraries like Pandas, NumPy, and Scikit-learn first, then move to TensorFlow/PyTorch for deep learning. SQL is a must for handling data, and tools like Git, Jupyter Notebooks, and eventually Docker will help you collaborate and deploy models. Don’t stress over math yet, but basics in stats and linear algebra will make ML concepts click faster. Try small projects like predicting prices or classifying images to stay motivated, and remember, it’s more about steady learning than rushing—you’ve got plenty of time to build expertise! Keep experimenting and having fun with it.

[brisk swift]

Heyy so as I was saying I want to do data analytics but I'm not sure from where, cus in India it's getting really hard for me to find a good place to learn from so while searching i thought why not start self learning so I started learning python and my CS50 course is almost over. So what should I do next?

[noble sail]

Thanks for helping!

[ripe thistle]

You're interested in ML? You might want to look into math programs at universities, where are you located?

[noble sail]

Currently Egypt(I’m not Egyptian though)

[noble sail]

I don’t really think about diving into math rn, as it will probably be included in online courses.

[ripe thistle]

Ah, the Pyramids seem impressive there

What courses are you taking rn?

[rare grove]

☆ Software Engineering
☆ Game programming and designing
☆ Multimedia
☆ Sound Engineering
☆ Data science
☆ AI
☆ Machine Learning
☆ Intelligent Systems
( Which major is the best to specialize in at college )

[rare grove]

I'm at Egypt too

[noble sail]

lol

[noble sail]

I’m taking a python course atm, by Angela yu.

[peak halo]

these aren't necessarily different majors. and one can only be "better" than another if you have a basis for comparison in mind.
what are you interested in?

[noble sail]

Oh that’s nice, you live in Cairo?

[rare grove]

I'm thinking of software egineering

[rare grove]

No Alexandria

[noble sail]

Oh nice, I’m in Hurghada

[rare grove]

Oh I see

Guys what is exactly Sound Engineering?

And data science

I would like to know more

[noble sail]

Data Science:
Data Science is the process of transforming raw data into intelligent decisions using mathematical concepts, programming languages, and machine learning algorithms. Essentially, it enables data to communicate effectively.

Sound Engineering:
Sound Engineering is the creative art of crafting perfect audio recordings, mixing, and mastering for various media, including music, movies, games, and more.

[cold dragon]

So many types of engineering

What if instead of sound engineering, it was freaky engineering, and instead of crafting perfect audio recordings, you crafted a crafting table?

[rare grove]

Tysmm

[noble sail]

Np

[rare grove]

Are u also a beginner in coding?

[noble sail]

Yea kinda

[mint raft]

is it worth it learning coding if im still in school?

[peak halo]

yes

[mint raft]

im in 8th grade , so its worth it ?

[peak halo]

if you're doing well in school and have time to learn other things as well, and you want to learn coding, why not?

[mint raft]

alright thank you

[noble sail]

Yea kinda, actually I’d say early intermediate.

[noble sail]

Yea

[mint raft]

ok thanks

[ripe thistle]

The Secret Auction exercise seems fun!

You may be interested in the Monty Hall Problem https://youtu.be/4Lb-6rxZxx0?si=Kdo_6EawjJpTIoR2

There's also this auction pricing algorithm that discusses how bidding works https://python.quantecon.org/two_auctions.html

[ripe thistle]

Are you taking Precalc at school?

[noble sail]

Ofc lol

[ripe thistle]

Cool, matrices are handy in Python too

They're used in a lot of engineering problems

[noble sail]

oh, are they like complex or normal/easy?

[ripe thistle]

https://youtu.be/5q87K1WaoFI?si=IvpGgAj09VBQEGti

[undone kayak]

hey fellow hustlers!

[amber wave]

[magic thicket]

Im thinking of mastering python, C++, and another language. While having minor skills in others. What should the other language be?

[balmy spade]

It would be more beneficial to focus on collecting projects that you build instead of collecting languages.

[peak halo]

It's easy to get superficial knowledge in a bunch of programming languages, so prospective employers won't be impressed if an entry level applicant claims to know a bunch.

And from what I understand, C++ has the most features of any programming language, and that even people who use it as their primary language only use a subset of them.

[magic thicket]

I mean I already do know that projects/certs are the better thing to put on resumes.

[magic thicket]

You show what you know in today’s day and an age. I know a guy who built an entire game engine in rust.

That’s the sort of stuff that gets you a job. Less so a degree. I’m going for my double major and double minor for other reasons. Going to add a Mac mini and Linux server to this set up.

[fringe sphinx]

Mastering is not something you do quickly. It's something you do over many years, with real world practical experience/etc often as part of your job. Just to level set, altho it may be pedantic

[magic thicket]

Going to do little projects to show that I know how to develop for the 3 main ecosystems that be.

[balmy spade]

I would say a degree gets you a job more so than building a game engine. Given that more people will be getting degrees and jobs than people will be building game engines. ((replace game engine with any project)). By the numbers, projects just demonstrate you have the ability to learn.

As for what languages, let the projects decide.

[magic thicket]

It depends. You can learn every method I person knows if your gifted and can back track known methodology. You can out pace most learners if you know how to.

[magic thicket]

But meh that gets into pretentious territory.

[fringe sphinx]

In practical terms, 'experts' have 'experience'

[magic thicket]

Experts have knowledge and without the knowledge they have leaned from said experience there skills are useless.

Aka number of years matters very little if you have a learning disability and can’t learn above the basics.

[fringe sphinx]

I disagree.

[balmy spade]

I'm not sure focusing on the edge cases is helpful here. Does that impact you directly?

[magic thicket]

It depends per person. I’m just trying to get skillsets to move up in the field. Meh.

[magic thicket]

I can see why you’d be fired as a teacher.

[balmy spade]

You gain the ability to move up in the field with the application of experience that you learn while in the field.

[magic thicket]

I’m doing that though.

Like at least what is recommended for that.

[fringe sphinx]

? Not sure why you say that.

[balmy spade]

That's good then. Circling back to your original question, let the next project decide the language you pick up.

[magic thicket]

Thank you so much.

[vale arrow]

Any software QA analysts/testers here? Would love to pick your brain if so heh 💜

[deft herald]

Sorta. Why don't you just ask your questions?

[rare grove]

Hmm I see

I'm trying to learn python now but I'm a bit busy cuz of school 🫠

[blazing parrot]

Linux server ... like a 14gen pc with a $100 graphics cars work... radeon 580rx 8Gb ..

i5 intel 13th gen desktop works

Loading a linux server local? Like RHEL9?

[dense mica]

matrices are like part of the foundation of mathematics lol they're all that we do

[dense mica]

python and C++ are a powerful combination of languages. However, you need to know that skill in software development is mostly language-agnostic, so it's better to focus on actually building stuff and applying your knowledge instead of learning new languages. Ultimately what language you're using doesn't matter (minus some constructs which are significantly easier/harder to implement in like functional programming for example - but these are implementation-level details)

The only two languages I know are python and (badly) C++

[blazing parrot]

C++ is very low space and isn't bad.. until your reading .NET CLR tutorial library files.. you can run pure c-strings in .net though

[frigid agate]

Anyone who is familiar with using python to program trading bot here? Hit me up if you can

[blazing parrot]

Trading in the forrex market? Or what market... i feel they employ numpy for stock analytics in python... it's actually interesting but FCC regulations don't allow you to make multiple stock trades in 1 day like a BOT does

[dense mica]

what's your bot's strategy?

[frigid agate]

Arbitrage

[blazing parrot]

Oh it's to buy puts and sell out of the money calls with 1 week expiration date

Be careful of youtube videos claiming their ai bots is profitable.. there is so many fake P&L's

https://youtu.be/xSawzzSOBmI?si=dimihqIMrpbCjC9p

[vast shoal]

This channel is for career and job-related discussions

[blazing parrot]

You probably want to find someone who's watching the futures market, .. or forrex

[dense mica]

why would you want to do this

it probably wouldn't be very profitable

[blazing parrot]

That's my point.. you want to find somk e you can trust.. that knows what they are doing.. for exampleike foreign exchange and work on a model

[vast shoal]

Again, this is not the topic of this channel

Feel free to continue this in one of the off-topic channels, or in #python-discussion if it's about the technical side of building a trading bot

[blazing parrot]

Yeah we are getting off point

Github has repo's... written in python .... you probably want to git it to a local machine.. or if your on a laptop you can docker it to a cheap aws virtual

The one bot runs on RHEL7

Think an aws is $4/mo with a V4 CPU 16gb ram, 4tb storage

[vast shoal]

Again... This is a channel for career and job-related discussions. Not technical topics.

[blazing parrot]

Oh...

[mint raft]

is talking abt chatgpt in here allowed ?

[frigid agate]

Ok check inbox @blazing parrot

[vast shoal]

If it's somehow related to career or job-related discussions

[mint raft]

which channel do i use for that ? im nnew ad i dont understand most of the channels

[vast shoal]

Like "Is it not worth pursuing a career as a dev now that ChatGPT will steal all our jobs?"

[mint raft]

thats a good question tho

[vast shoal]

If it's related to Python, you can use #python-discussion. If not, one of the off-topic channels.

[mint raft]

okk thx

[vast shoal]

The answer is yes, it's still worth it.

And ChatGPT won't steal our jobs, for the moment.

[blazing parrot]

Will a framework steal all of our jobs... hmm

[mint raft]

u sure? cuz i dont wanna waste like 5 years of learning to later find out that chatgpt can script the same thing as i did in 2 seconds

[vast shoal]

I can't be sure, but you also can't be sure that becoming a truck driver won't be waste of time, cause we might have self-driving trucks in 5 years.

[mint raft]

well thats true

[vast shoal]

Any profession could be obsolete in 5 years. There's no compelling reason to think devs will be, more than any other job.

[blazing parrot]

It can.. facebook spends billions of $$$ on designing specific frameworks can handle doing stuff they paid in the past to do..

[mint raft]

dang i tried asking chatgpt for a working calculator app in python and it js spit out everything in 3 seconds and the fact that it works

[blazing parrot]

Yeah it can't do anything else.. it's trash.. it won't build a devOPs system end to end and make sure everything is secure and functioning properly

[mint raft]

oof

[vast shoal]

It's not trash, it has its uses. I use it every day. But it can't replace a human developer.

At best, it can make developers a bit more efficient.

[noble sail]

Same actually, school really takes time

guys this is my studying plan rn: • 100 days of code by Angela Yu (current)
• Machine learning a-z by Kirill Eremenko, Hadelin de Ponteves, SuperDataScience Team, and Ligency Team
• The data science course by 365 careers
• Coursera machine learning course by Andrew Ng
• Coursera deep learning course by Andrew Ng

would you reccommend me taking the data science course or the machine learning is enough?

[rare grove]

Ikr

[vapid jay]

Hey anyone wanna be my friend? We can learn python together

[vapid jay]

lol bro is stuck in tutorial hell

[noble sail]

Whatever it takes to become a pro, right???🥹

[cold dragon]

Dude do something

You'll finish all the courses then have no idea what to do when ur done

[noble sail]

You know the courses have real world application projects right?

I’ll have a good portfolio+ knowledge in almost everything

[dense mica]

I've honestly given up on tutorials for CS stuff, they don't work for me. For code I learn by doing. I find that's the only way I can truly learn CS concepts

[vast shoal]

I think it's totally fine, and you can always work on your own projects on the side while following the courses

[rare grove]

If you are still in the basics stage, I would advice u to watch Bro code

He is a youtuber that makes free courses

On different languages too

And from my own perspective, he explains really good!

There's literally a video (12 hours) that explains everything about python

With exercises too

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @woven root until <t:1743857088:f> (10 minutes) (reason: duplicates spam - sent 4 duplicate messages).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[hearty island]

@fringe sphinx boss said my work has been excellent since i came back from japan

think i’m really getting used to corp life in america ngl

it was quite an adjustment period

[noble sail]

I still have time tbh, my goal is to be a professional by 20. I still have4+ years, that’s. Enough for learning an applying imo

[true harness]

are you planning on getting a formal education?

[hearty island]

^

[noble sail]

Formal like uni?

[noble sail]

.

[true harness]

yes

[noble sail]

Yea, I need that degree.

[hearty island]

you kinda do nowadays

[true harness]

hm. full time by 20 would be ambitious. but you can definitely get internships while in uni

[hearty island]

internships are a good suggestion. i did 6.

[noble sail]

I want to do a pretty strong entrance to the job market

[noble sail]

What interns can I do at the age of 16

[hearty island]

contact local businesses

[vast shoal]

I was 25 by the time I graduated from uni and started working

[noble sail]

I’m in Egypt

[hearty island]

i was 23

[true harness]

realistically there are not many where you would be working on ML. they would need to be from friends and family, aka, you ask them to hire you because they know you

[hearty island]

ML is kinda hard to do that kinda stuff, look into web dev?

[noble sail]

You guys have remote jobs?

[vast shoal]

I'm not really remote, but I work mostly from home

[hearty island]

i do indeed
but my office just started an rto policy 2x a week 3 months ago

[true harness]

of my circle of friends that are developers, maybe half have remote jobs. almost all junior-ish devs

[vast shoal]

We have an office in the same city, I just come in like once every other month

[true harness]

that sounds pretty remote lol

[hearty island]

so partially remote

[noble sail]

If a learn everything I mentioned I can find another job

[vast shoal]

I'm not in a location remote from the office 😛

[hearty island]

i really like being in the office tho. corporate slave lmaooo

[vast shoal]

I used to prefer working from the office, but I really got used to working from home now

[hearty island]

i’m 8 months new to corp america, it helps build up office exp

[noble sail]

I want a remote job tbh

[vast shoal]

I love not having to commute

[hearty island]

4 of my internships were remote

[true harness]

do you mean the courses you listed? it would be difficult to get a job with only those courses

[vast shoal]

That's an extra 1.5 hours every day

[noble sail]

Those + uni, what can I do else? I’m thinking about ethical hacking

[true harness]

wow, same city and 45 minutes one way?

[hearty island]

this is not enough tbh

[noble sail]

Any suggestions?

[vast shoal]

10 minute walk to the train station, 20 minutes by train, 10 minute walk to the office.

[hearty island]

bro i’m same town and 5 mins away

[vast shoal]

Assuming I don't have to wait for the train

[hearty island]

except if they ever close that location i have to go to nyc

[noble sail]

What else can I learn?

[hearty island]

data world is hard to break into for college people let alone 16 year olds

look into business intel analyst positions? that’s kinda what i did and what i majored in

[true harness]

this question is more suited for #data-science-and-ml. i think i saw stelercus talk to you about some stuff to learn. classifiers or something. i don't think ethical hacking will help you with ml

[hearty island]

power bi, tableau etc any third party data viz software

[noble sail]

Yea

[hearty island]

learn storytelling with your data companies pay tons

[noble sail]

What you guys work as?

Like data scientist, software engineer etc.

[hearty island]

i’m a consulting analyst for a regulatory firm. like the SEC

securities & exchange commission

i was a business analytics major in college

and i’ll probably do a masters in financial risk

[vast shoal]

I'm a software engineer in fintech

[vale arrow]

Okie doke, but get ready for a long message lol

So, I’m curious to learn more about people's experiences with software quality assurance. I’d love to hear more about how QA has played a part in their careers.

I also wanted to ask opinions on certificates. I’m currently pursuing a second bachelor’s in Computer Science, but I noticed that key tools like Python, Selenium, and JIRA aren’t mentioned in the course descriptions. From my research, these seem to be in high demand for QA roles. Since I’m just getting started, I was thinking of enrolling in a few Coursera certification courses to get hands-on experience and show future employers that I’m proactively building skills outside the classroom.

Do you think Coursera certificates are valuable in the job market? Have you seen them make a difference when applying for internships or entry-level roles?

Lastly, are there any challenges or lessons you wish you’d known when you were starting out in QA?

If you or anyone else has some insight for me, I'd greatly appreciate it!

[glad oak]

I would recommend auditing Coursera courses before deciding to spend money on them

The most important thing you can teach yourself right now is how to learn

[vale arrow]

I actually was auditing a python course! But I got frustrated because they lock basically everything after the first module lol the course I found has been pretty helpful so far though

[bronze trellis]

yo im new to python i anyyone willing to help me n=in any struggles in my journey?

[vast shoal]

You're free to ask for help with any specific issues, or to get guidance on learning resources, but this channel is for career and work related discussions, so I suggest you ask in #python-discussion or if you need help with some specific issue, #1035199133436354600

[high coral]

hi. i currently work as a Computer Engineer in the US. I am heavily contemplating getting my Masters degree (i have already applied and got accepted). My work is willing to assist me with the costs, and it could cost me about $7,000 per year (or a total investment of about $28,000 over the course of 4 years).

i am looking to know the return on investment / new career opportunities / knowledge gained from a MS. any advice / knowledge about your experience with a MS and if it was worth it would be of great help. thanks!

[vale arrow]

Thank you for responding btw, appreciate it!

[hybrid vale]

R u doing in person Ms? I would recommend doing omscs

[vapid jay]

Yea lol that’s what I told don’t watch tutorial I never even watched one

[high coral]

its Computer Engineer, so yes, in person. If it were an MS in Computer Science, I would contemplate online instead.

[static iris]

what is omscs?

[lucid matrix]

Online masters I think

[still briar]

how many of you guys here are professional coders?

for people who wanna make really complicated, technical projects, what would you need to do to make that an achievable goal?

for example, to do a project that nobody has ever done before

[pine sleet]

break it down into manageable pieces

[modest kraken]

Robin are you employed rn

[pine sleet]

no

[plush summit]

💀

Did even the mac reject you?

[pine sleet]

?

[plush summit]

Why don t you have a job here it is normal i study cs and work at the airport

[pine sleet]

some legal stuff i'm dealing with

[sand cobalt]

#discord-bots

[deep knot]

Is it considered OK to write directly to tech recruiters on Linkedin to ask them if they could consider you for a summer internship?

[near ocean]

I dont see much harm but you probably shouldnt expect results that way

[deep knot]

What's the better approach?

I'm pretty late and wanted to do some cold emailing instead.

[near ocean]

You can do it but cold emailing doesnt work as well, nothing stopping you, they do it all the time

[deep knot]

So what's the best non-applying-on-website approach?

[fast fossil]

are you in prison?

[pine sleet]

no

[hearty island]

https://www.oldwestbury.edu/programs-courses/forensic-accountinghttps://www.oldwestbury.edu/programs-courses/forensic-accounting thinking of this program

lowk tempted

[tepid folio]

If I'm unable to land an internship this summer what would you all suggest to stay productive?

[hearty island]

projects + leetcode

figure out your domain.

what do you like to do? data sci + ML?

[tepid folio]

C++ game dev, physics simulation, and Django web apps mostly

I'm still deciding between dabbling in opengl for summer or extending my django final for cs this year

[hearty island]

what is the easiest to get hired in

chat i think i figured out my career path

[tepid folio]

I'm honestly not sure this is my first time searching for an internship and first year of school

[hearty island]

gonna have to figure it out. game dev is very hard to get hired in

[tepid folio]

Yeah but that isn't gonna stop me from working hard to achieve it. However, opengl is used outside of the game industry as well for things like simulations for companies

[icy pagoda]

not really, some of those courses are like mathematics courses, you can't jump in without knowing them unless you want to become a code monkey

although i do agree for the most part lol, do create smth yourself/mess around with it

you can learn the maths by programming them yourself but you'll still need to go through the whole material anyways
unlike pure programming language courses, doing "programming first" with ML courses will slow you down
there won't be as many parts like a language tutorial which you can jump around going "since i need this, let me create by googling" w/o going significantly slower than having the knowledge before creating them

[hallow latch]

Guys, help me, the pip won't start.

[tepid folio]

Check that it is installed

pip --version

[neon bridge]

Windows, linux?

[zinc gulch]

guys how do i choose which job to pursue in coding

theres too many options

[neon bridge]

First look at the job requirements, and why they use python for. If you are good at what they require then apply. If you are at the beginning, I recommend to apply to all entry-level jobs. You will learn a lot through the journey.

[zinc gulch]

thanks for the help

[hearty island]

figure out a domain. what in coding interests you? backend? frontend?

[rare grove]

Guys what is the best in these options and easier for me to find job in Saudi Arabia and Arab countries
☆ Software Engineering
☆ Game programming and designing
☆ Multimedia
☆ Sound Engineering
☆ Data science
☆ AI
☆ Machine Learning
☆ Intelligent Systems

[vapid jay]

best way to find internships

[astral lake]

hello

[hearty island]

linkedin or handshake. your career fair too

[tepid folio]

What are some suggested entry level positions. Preferably that works well alongside goin to university

[neon bridge]

Probably none for python alone. But if you can mix it with some linux and /or networking you will probably find some.

[wooden raven]

Hello I'm 13 should I try fiverr for freelancing as a python dev as I have over 3 years of experience with it.

[buoyant seal]

<@&831776746206265384>

[buoyant seal]

fiverr and freelancing is known for being lowest of the lowest software related stuff things.
U will be swimming basically in a complete shit clients very often, dealing with the least in quality code.
freelancer experience often is half of the times not even counted for resume as experience at all

Not exactly recommending doing it at all.
Better concentrating on upgrading your skills and building some awesome pet projects https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html
For gaming modding communities or smth else.

Learning coding further https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
Trying other languages

[noble thistle]

?

[buoyant seal]

your video is not related to #career-advice channel topic at all. Better delete it.

[noble thistle]

who are you?

[open ivy]

So many people want to do AI.

But it's rare that I hear anyone talking about training algorithms or plotting the weights etc. So it's hard to relate to them, given my background.

Maybe AI is not the place I look for networking connections?

[radiant vortex]

@noble thistle Hiya, please keep this channel on topic, thanks!

[rugged axle]

what language I can pair rust with so I can target high pay and as well as lower competition I already know javascript, typescript, python and gdscript very well. I am doing a rust job. Previously I was working with full stack mobile deb job.

[buoyant seal]

High pay, low competion = COBOL 😏

[rugged axle]

something else plz ?

[buoyant seal]

I was working with full stack mobile deb job.
since u had previous mobile dev experience. consider actually giving a go to Java (+possible Kotlin)
super high in amount of job vacancies language, which means lower competion.
regular salaries of a software dev

[noble thistle]

ok

[rugged axle]

I was trying to do kotilin but there is a requirement of doing java with it too sometimes and I dont want to get into that because my local market is filled with java developers

[wooden raven]

Tbh tho I just wana do sum freelancing to get a quick buck cause I'm tired of learning python

[rugged axle]

its really hard to get gigs these days on upwork

[buoyant seal]

nevertheless it is also language with high amount of jobs.
U are interested more in metrics amount of devs per job than absolute number of devs for it. That ensures low competion.
high amount of jobs/devs for this language, means there will be at least stability in finding jobs. its own lucrative advantage.
Also high amount of jobs/stuff coded in it, means it will stay around for dozens of years and will last through your full life probably

[rugged axle]

I am not doing no java because there are people who are cooking it up since the last 100 years that ll never work. Maybe kotlin yes

I do agree with kotlin I can combine that with react native

[wooden raven]

So wat to use?

[buoyant seal]

then stop learning python, go for other languages.
Java, Kotlin, Golang, C#, heck even Rust can be tried.
and stop learning just for learning 😏 practice using languages for smth useful like game modding or smth else
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html
You are 13, your goal is to try everything and finding what u enjoy should be.

[rugged axle]

try to get an internship or a job freelancing is too hard for newer ones

[wooden raven]

I know front-end(html css and react) fully and rust

[wooden raven]

Where am I getting interviewed at 13?

[rugged axle]

oh

[buoyant seal]

try developing Backend applications, try Mobile applications, try doing Cli and Desktop ones, may be even to try embedded stuff
And the mentioned game modding stuff can be tried for serious development with real users feedback 😏

[rugged axle]

I didnt know u were 13. How about open source then ?

There is paid open source

[wooden raven]

Open source doesn't make money does it?

[rugged axle]

u need to "google" it.

[wooden raven]

Just did,doesn't seem ideal

[buoyant seal]

at 13 there will be a problem to find paid job in any case.

• Laws can be restrictive to have u employed
• Nobody will actually believe u have real skills to do it at 13 in a good quality.
• You are usually just not having banking credentials also where to get payments wired

[wooden raven]

Should i try front-end and charge 100 bucks a website or stuff?

[wooden raven]

Parents for the transactions?

[buoyant seal]

https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
A good path could be investing into your own skills further..
Learning how to do stuff in quality way, with unit testing and typing (and coding architecture)
Learning how to plan projects and communicating with people better
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CleanArchitectureACraftsmansGuide
And as mentioned trying other platform targets for development (backend/mobile/desktop)

Learn to handle with easy hundreds thousands code lines apps
as to try learning as mentioned other popular job languages that give other options for you to practice skills and being profficient with where.
Like the mentioned Java/Kotlin allow native android development, and also game modding for Minecraft or Starsector 😏 and at the same time usable for Backend development and even Desktop, and usually high in number of job vacancies in majority of countries

[wooden raven]

[pine sleet]

what are you relating AI to

Like, are you trying to understand how graph theory fits into AI?

[near ocean]

Most "AI job ads" i see on linkedin nowadays is just slapping openai shit on top of existing apis or apps

[open ivy]

If someone pays me to do that, why not?

But when I am choosing a networking event to go to prompt engineering is not my strong suit.

[open ivy]

I would find these discussions about AI interesting and engaging:

• How to design better training algorithms.
• Incooperating graph theory.
• Making better GPU acceleration.
• Automating training data generation.
• A pen and paper math proof of convergence of a training algorithm.

But these interst me less, at least personally. Other people may be different:

• Prompt engineering.
• Designing an AI powered app using chatGPT.
• Making a game that relies on AI art.

When choosing my crowd, I need to choose the former not the latter. And it's not just AI that interests me, for most tech topics there seems to be a similar dichotomy.

What term describes the difference between these two categories? I need to search for said term to find my crowd

[true harness]

there's tons of research on graph neural networks. tons of applications. traffic engineering, recommendation systems, etc

[open ivy]

Jumping in on this would be quite fun.

But I don't want to sit alone staring at papers all day. Much more fun to group discuss.

[tepid folio]

Awesome book suggestions I just bought Code Complete. I took the C++ and Python route, but maybe you can convince me to try Kotlin. My ultimate goal is software engineering. I'm currently in university for computer science and java is a part of my curriculum in the future. However, I dont want to be the one that picks up a new language every 6 months. Will picking up Java/Kotlin complement my C++ and Python for the future? Will it detract from my overall improvement as a software engineer? Will it set me apart from my peers in job or internship searches enough?

[buoyant seal]

Python is scripting language with dynamic typing. It is known to be good for Backend development, DevOps engineering, and also usable for Data engineering and data science
Python is easy to start using, but has serious problems with performance and amount of bugs at scale of code... nevertheless it is often pick for start ups and at least data scientists.
And if approaching it correctly it can survive to millions of code lines... just needing investing plentifully into runtime catching errors -_- Having high unit testing coverage will be helpful too

C++ is usually used for Game development, Embedded development, and super serious desktop programs of the "Google" level.
It has its own niche of usage, due to being better usable for the mentioned domains. It is very large language though, and not every country is having plentiful amount of jobs in it.
This language is avoided by regular companies due to cost of development in it being overly high to justify that.
Usually company is commited to Game Development/Embeeded development to justify its usage

[buoyant seal]

Java(+Kotlin) is known to be language of coding architects, all famous books teaching code architecutre are often using it. U can do in it Backend development, Android development, Desktop development, and Data engineering too.
And also trying your hand in game modding for Minecraft/Starsector
Java/Kotlin are known to be having Static typing, and at the same time with garbage collectors, this language is linux friendly and allows concentrating the most onto writing dozens/hundreds thousands code lines of code, while being able to manage/change code architecture to meet code demands at scale (this thing is very hard doable in python due to problematic typing in it)
Java(+Kotlin) at least in my origin country is having large amount of job vanacies (more than C++ has at least), check your local hiring web sites to confirm the same
Due to proprties of Java language, balancing code quality/performance with easiness to write, it is a common language to for middle serious in development companies, at least if goal is development of web Backend, and for native Android development first pick

So... with all that being said... i would recommend picking 1-2 job roles you are more comfortable with
Picking actually for which platform target (Backend, frontend, desktop, android mobile, ios mobile) you are more comfortable to work with
And from there picking languages depending.. on for which domain/thing they are usable the most.
Try to pick languages that preferably expand for you job market further?
But at the same time i personally pick only languages that are usable for my roles of Backend/Devops engineering for synergy (Python => Golang => Java/Kotlin went picking). For me covering more backend languages i am okay to work with, expands my usability as a DevOps engineer at least.

[buoyant seal]

if u are C++ dev, usually common to pick up C and Assembly for example as another path to do, that is often requirement in job vacancies

i recommend u to open hiring web site, and when u will be more certain in which job role u wish to work => just analyzing which languages are more often commonly asked for this type of work

[buoyant seal]

Will picking up Java/Kotlin complement my C++ and Python for the future? Will it detract from my overall improvement as a software engineer? Will it set me apart from my peers in job or internship searches enough?
So answer is, it depends on in which domains of software development u desire to work.
Otherwise Java/Kotlin due to its usability for Backend/Desktop/Mobile, multi platform target usable language with linux friendliness with high amount of job vacancies is certainly good pick can be 😏

[rare grove]

Can AI replace the job of a software developer?

[buoyant seal]

Not with today its level of quality.
So far it creates only drastically more problems than it is solving usually.

We anticipate more human need to clean up a mess made by people abusing AI at this point 😏

[rare grove]

Can AI later on after many years replace all of these majors?🫠

If it can, why are we learning thing that can be replaced?

[buoyant seal]

will be Hyperspace Engine developed?
will humans reach Alpha Centauri star?
May be some day. May be not.
Same may be we can say, that may be AI will advance further enough to replace more types of jobs
Or may be it already reached the end of its technological capacity and people are just burning electricity and coal for no profits to power it

[rare grove]

?

[buoyant seal]

That people some day in a distant future make teleportation possible, does not mean we need to stop investing into cars today.
Teleportation(and advanced AI) is still too much far from making sense stopping development of cars.
even if it Teleportation will be developed... it can be just too much expensive to use instead of cars 😏

[rare grove]

I see

[tepid folio]

Great answer thank you so much

[deep knot]

Do you usually include projects that are mainly for learning new languages or technologies, or only those that have a clear quantitative or qualitative impact? For example, if I’m working on a project to learn React, Redux, Django, etc., but I don’t have any specific users in mind, would it still be worth adding to a résumé? The project simply involves using an API from my municipality and visualizing that data on the client side through charts or similar.

[open ivy]

Go for both big and small impact. Make sure you have something small and new that is not out there that is easy to achieve. And also have a path to a big impact which is much less likely to succeed due to the scope but can provide inspiration if nothing else.

Learning a language is not that interesting alone. ChatGPT knows all programming languages. But it does not know how to use said languages to make novel stuff to solve problems.

[modest kraken]

Holy fucking Java glaze bro

Python does not have problems with scalability

Linux friendlyness is not a term what even is that

[buoyant seal]

well. C# is not very linux friendly. it tries to do it and dot net became that, but it is still having plentifully of Windows legacy nevertheless, when projects in it are turnable on in Windows only.

[heady steeple]

anybody experienced with python plss help me

[peak halo]

see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[modest kraken]

By that definition Python is as if not more Linux friendly then Java

Most languages can run on many OSes

[heady steeple]

yes i have send my problem there but no one replying

[buoyant seal]

yeah, they are more or less equal in this department.

Except python problems have big problem with lack of cross platform compilability from Linux to other OSes (languages like Golang win here more steadily). U can just be at Linux and compile for Windows/MacOs from it
If u have some C dependencies in python, u are pretty much usually screwed often.
Java has certain advantages when u can move its program to entirely another OS/cpu architecture, and with some good chance it will run straight away with less amount of issues

[modest kraken]

You can compile the C dependencies for these platforms as well. Also, wouldn’t it be the same if you had dependencies in c in go and Java as well? This kind of is asking about the portability of C and not Python or any other language

[buoyant seal]

Now that's a joke. Python and scalability.
It is both less scalable in performance and in code size.

In performance because several dozen times slower than other languages and lack of multithreading due to GIL lock (pretty common issues for any scripting language)

and less scalable in code size due to lack of static typing. Its gradual typing is enforcable only by third party solutions, stabs are not present for plenty of libs, and it is slow and crashing 😏
U can't really refactor easily code that is not having 100% static typing, because everything is validable at runtime only then
Less room to validate custom architecture written by machines in a rapid feedback before runtime

[modest kraken]

Python has optional static typing. Mypy is not a third party solution, it is first party.

[buoyant seal]

yeah... true, from that point of view sure, python is more or less same cross platform.
Except as mentioned when we are able to have CLI/desktop client without C dependencies in languages like GO and we are able to distribute as mentioned cross platform compilable binary files with easiness.
While Python is stuck with gigaton of pip modules in venv, that are just not movable from their absolute path or everything will break. Less distribution friendly programs in python
You can't easily add Python program to some lightweight existing docker image, u need to bring python interpreter with it (easy go compiled binary is addable to any docker image)

[modest kraken]

Every single language stores dependencies in a directory structure somehow. Just reinstall when you’re running on a different platform?

You can also compile Python if you wanted

mypyc and tools like pyinstaller see to that

[buoyant seal]

Just reinstall when you’re running on a different platform?
not friendly for distribution to non dev users / and as mentioned not friendly for adding to docker image that lack python
Python interpreter installation from zero is very... hard CPU intensive operation -_-

[modest kraken]

It is, when they are running something like homebrew. I doubt non dev users will care about docker containers anyways, and you can just add the interpreter into the image if you wanted to

Plus like I said you can just compile the code if you wanted

[buoyant seal]

actually, let me correct. Not friendly for distribution to Non Python devs in general (not just for non devs ). If u are not python dev, u are usually super confused and stuck how to deal with any simpliest python program installation (tried on other devs)

[modest kraken]

Your distribution methods are wrong then

[atomic gulch]

I HAVE A QUESTION PLS

[buoyant seal]

Mypy is slow on large amount of code, and quick to crash due to even minor problems.
And as mentioned... plentiful of libraries lack any typing to them, which makes a problem of easy Any propagation through the code that disables it across it everywhere and makes all those typing effort meaningless a lot.
Big issue in Django ecosystem at least, which maintains stubs only as extra libs by not official django devs -_-

[modest kraken]

And yet Django manages to thrive as a web framework on par with spring boot

[buoyant seal]

Through pain and suffering of its the devs to maintain it 😅

[dusk gorge]

Is it relevant to Django?

[modest kraken]

You can’t tell me Java devs are not also going through pain and suffering

[buoyant seal]

i can't, yes, they have their own struggles too.

[buoyant seal]

Ask the question 😏 Not ask to ask

[slate latch]

Hi everyone
I am a full stack developer (mainly python developer)
I have experience in react, fastapi, django, postgresql and docker.
I want to know that anyone here is interested in GenAI or we can discuss some innovative ideas or we can go for hackathon.

[modest kraken]

Are you freelance or working for a company btw

[buoyant seal]

working for a company, so my aim onto very long term code maintanance, and in every next year dealing with code of past me.
same as in my pet projects. i aim all my pet projects being maintained for a good dozen (or two dozens) of years

[modest kraken]

I see, what sort of company is it?

[buoyant seal]

festival organizations, ticket selling, payment processing related to that.
It has its backend infrastructure and web frontend, and mobile apps for handheld devices to handle the stuff. ^_^

[modest kraken]

Ah cool

[faint depot]

Didnt get accepted to a Rolls Royce apprenticeship. I knew I fucked up the interview but didnt know how badly I fucked up until one of the recruiters told me my feedback. I will say, I was fasting so everything goes out of the window when youre so drained

[peak halo]

<@&831776746206265384> advertising from @thick lake

[near ocean]

Wdym you fucked up? Did they ask technical stuff you couldnt answer? What kind of feedback did they give back?

[faint depot]

Ill be honest Id rather not discuss it as its quite embarrassing 😂. Ill say again, I was fasting so I ended up being too honest for my good with my answers

[vast shoal]

Sounds ominous.

[faint depot]

Nah, idiotic 😂. I genuinely do not know what was going through my head when I said it

[near ocean]

Well it sounds like you know what to do next time
Have a snickers

[modest kraken]

On LinkedIn I see internship positions posted 4 hours ago with “100+ people applied” next to them. wtf? How am I supposed to get one of these 😭

[near ocean]

the numbers arent accurate, clicking on the link to get you to the application page adds to that number, it doesnt mean people applied or that theyre qualified

getting a job in the field also isnt exactly first come first served, just be better than the existing pool of candidates 🤷‍♀️

[vapid violet]

Linked in actually asks me "Did you apply" after coming back from the link. And also a (presumably) remote internship in CS rn probably has thousands of people who have notifications set up for any new job postings.

[modest kraken]

Easier said then done

[gritty rivet]

If anyone told you that getting a decent internship is easy, they lied

[mint raft]

guys im in 8th grade and i got a question, is it worth it learning python if im in 8th grade? and if yes where can i learn it

[peak halo]

You should always learn about things that are interesting to you. ||Unless it's how to make pipe bombs.||

If you're already doing well in school and have extra time, why not?

What is your goal for learning python?

[modest kraken]

What would you classify as decent

[modest kraken]

If you have time it would be great

8th grade grades don’t matter anyways

[mint raft]

i wanna script a working calculator

[peak halo]

That's pretty doable

[mint raft]

okk thx

[modest kraken]

What classifies as decent

[mint raft]

or js a working game, anything

[peak halo]

They pay you and give you meaningful work

[peak halo]

You can make games with pygame-ce

[mint raft]

whats that ?

[peak halo]

A library that you can install (for free)

[mint raft]

what does it do ?

[peak halo]

It's just a bunch of components to help you make games. you have to make it do something.
Look into it

[mint raft]

ohh okay thanks

[modest kraken]

Man that’s kinda hard

[buoyant seal]

<@&831776746206265384> i think i saw another person writing right at the same time and deleting msg, may be related

[night sequoia]

Is anyone from India here

[tender thicket]

!pban 1079001617120100372 account selling

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @wet perch permanently.

[pearl needle]

Pro tip: use the eval function

[fast fossil]

<@&831776746206265384>

[waxen hazel]

whats wrong w django?

[modest kraken]

Nothing

[pine sleet]

they could

[modest kraken]

Maybe they are maybe they aren’t

[vapid jay]

what you think?

[modest kraken]

Most of then probably aren’t, but I may be wrong

[vapid jay]

like 100,000 post grad?

[deft herald]

I think a 400k salary is probably pretty difficult to achieve, and they're definitely not getting that right after getting their doctorate

[modest kraken]

Cornell cs isn’t even that good

[hearty island]

idk i make $80k post grad. cornell cs isn’t good?

[pine sleet]

maybe. you'd have to go to each of those university websites and see if they have that data

[vapid jay]

WHAT its superprestigous

[modest kraken]

Depends on if they actually know stuff, if they are applying for jobs, if they have nepotism and stuff

[hearty island]

dawg what??? how is cornell cs not that good?

[modest kraken]

Compared to the other collages he listed it’s not that good

[vapid jay]

i thought going to cornell itself emplys a sense of extra "you have more status because you went to an ivlyleague so illprobably hire you"

[hearty island]

i went to hofstra lol

[vapid jay]

so i assumed their making the big bucks

[pine sleet]

that's not really the reason

[modest kraken]

If I started a company I wouldn’t care what college they went to.

[pine sleet]

people who go to ivy have a more extensive and higher quality networks

[hearty island]

this

[pine sleet]

but you aren't going to get hired just because you have a t20 on your resume

[vapid jay]

oh nice lol nyc did you study ai and ml in hofstra?

[hearty island]

no, business analytics

[pine sleet]

there are a lot of really smart people coming out of ivys and there are also a lot of really dumb people coming out of ivys

you know where else there are a lot of smart people and dumb people coming out of?

[modest kraken]

I’m ngl, a lot of cs majors don’t actually know shit

[pine sleet]

no name schools

[modest kraken]

It depends on the person not the school

[hearty island]

plenty of no name school ppl at my firm earning tons of money

[vapid jay]

theres no way the bar to enter is pretty high hard to assume their dumb

[modest kraken]

Nepotism, rich dad, cheating, legacy

[hearty island]

again person matters not school

[pine sleet]

yes, many smart people get in but that's not true for everyone

what is the goal of focusing on this?

[modest kraken]

Plus if you won a math competition in hs that doesn’t make you automatically good at software development

[vapid jay]

so how can a 22 year old community college dropout 1.6 gpa student get into schoool like mit, hofstra, cgm stanford for ai or computer science?

[hearty island]

you don’t

[modest kraken]

You kinda don’t

[vapid jay]

AWWWW

[pine sleet]

you usually wont. the good thing is you dont need to get into those schools to get a well paying job in software

actually most people in software didn't go to ivy

[modest kraken]

Just get good at whatever job you want to do

A lot of jobs make college degrees optional nowadays

[hearty island]

i’m doing a master’s in forensic accounting in tail end of 2026

[vapid jay]

thanks for the motivation and optimistic thinking

[hearty island]

i think you mean thank you for the realistic thinking lol

[vapid jay]

22 * 25

[modest kraken]

Are you a 22 year old community college dropout

[vapid violet]

I did not even look at any of the ivy league schools when I was choosing a school for CS

[vapid jay]

22+ 2

[modest kraken]

Yeah cus you knew you would get yield protected

[modest kraken]

Lock in

[vapid jay]

lol

[hearty island]

i graduated at 23, failed one semester

[vapid violet]

yield protected
?? dont know what this means, I mean that none of them even showed up on my inital list

[modest kraken]

Means you are too good for them

[hearty island]

miserable grades that one semester in CS

[vapid jay]

wow so theres no way?

[modest kraken]

How tf do you fail college cs bro lock in

[pine sleet]

there's a chance, but it's not a good use of your time

[hearty island]

it happens, a majority of my class bombed

[vapid jay]

ok so if ivy leage grads arent making 300,000 +out of college whats the point?

[hearty island]

bro get out of this ivy mentality

[pine sleet]

to get a good education and a network

pretty much nobody is making 300k+ year out of college lol

[vapid jay]

thanks bro i been binge watching

[hearty island]

you don’t need an ivy you need internships, practical experience, and projects

[modest kraken]

Ivy League is NOT a one way ticket to success lmfao

[hearty island]

investment bankers (not $300k tho)

[modest kraken]

There was this dude who got rejected from every single college he applied to, then got a senior job at Google straight out of high school because of his projects

[vapid jay]

NO WAYY

[pine sleet]

that's the other end of the extremes

you should just do what most people do and do well in school, get into the best school you can, get internships, do projects and apply to jobs

[modest kraken]

Most people go to a decent school then build a career

Speaking of this Robin you should be employed fr

[hearty island]

i went to a mid school but did 6 internships and landed a full time job

[vapid jay]

anyone would work at open ai or grok or deepseak even?

[pine sleet]

ive got other issues im dealing with

[modest kraken]

It’s gonna be fine

[hearty island]

there’s more to life than working bro

[pine sleet]

i have family members working in big tech so i should be fine

[vapid jay]

youknow what i assume they have some extra learning stuffs thats useful in places like nyc, no structured schooling but like idk alot of tech talent there i imagine theres some sort ofmeetup for learning, not talking about a bootcamp

[pine sleet]

and id like to think im fairly competent

[modest kraken]

Damn yes then you should be fine

You are very competent

[vapid jay]

thats true aswell

[modest kraken]

sadly none of my family members works in software
Or owns a company

I know, absolutely devastating

[vapid jay]

damain is there some sort of learning places to learn about software or speak to people who know in nyc(not bootcam)

or cali or seattle?

[modest kraken]

Why don’t you just make a bunch of projects
There’s also meetup groups everywhere

[hearty island]

my dad works for canon

[vapid jay]

i should thanks etinol ill try posting them on githtub

[hearty island]

there should be learning communities and stuff out there somewhere

[modest kraken]

I don’t buy into these “learning communities”
Most of the time everyone there is ass and you aren’t learning anything

[vapid jay]

why not

they seem pretty good, and id say discord is some form of a learning community if you ask me

[modest kraken]

The best way is to make your own stuff and ask people on discord or online when you’re stuck

[vapid jay]

greatpoint etinol you thinkvery rationally

you guys prefer working in coworking spaces or in office?

[hearty island]

this is basically a learning community

[pine sleet]

whats a coworking space

[vapid jay]

exactly a pretty good one aswell if

coworking space essentially like a gym membership but for getting out of the house and working in a cool looking spot with other developers working in the spot

[modest kraken]

Why would I pay to go somewhere else to work
Unless my room is really small or smth

[hearty island]

sometimes i don’t wanna see my coworkers after 5

plus i would just go to a normal gym

[peak halo]

some people have an aversion to working in the same space that they relax, etc.

[modest kraken]

Never heard of it, that’s interesting

[peak halo]

I often work at the same desk with the same keyboard, mouse, and monitor that I use for gaming. that works just fine for me, but some people need mental separation.

[pine sleet]

it's a common self help thing, and recommended afaik

[hearty island]

i do a lot of martial arts
can’t do that at work

[modest kraken]

If your work is giving you stress go for it i guess

[pine sleet]

different places for working, sleeping, relaxing, eating is meant to help

[modest kraken]

To remove negative association with environments I see

[vapid jay]

is eventbright any good or meetups?

[modest kraken]

I found a local meetup group on meetup.com

[vapid violet]

For me it is more of a way to be less distracted, at home i get distracted easier.

[modest kraken]

Maybe I should focus on locking in for school first

[pine sleet]

do as i say not as i do ahh

[modest kraken]

Because you already graduated?

[pine sleet]

imo you should lock in on school first and foremost because you're paying for it and its important

[modest kraken]

Also I said make projects and not focus on getting into an Ivy League, not not focus on school

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/there's-a-chance-so-you're-telling-me-there's-a-chance-chance-gif-16524723380007420705

[modest kraken]

So you aren’t in school, then just focus on projects

[pine sleet]

there's a much better chance for a state school

which you should aim for

you most likely already have a bunch of credits to transfer too

ideally both

[hearty island]

dude what state are you in

oh so apply for a suny then

explain circumstances of gpa and you’ll be fine

[modest kraken]

Your app is dependent on your accomplishments

[hearty island]

you need to explain your gpa dude

[modest kraken]

1.6 is not cutting it

[hearty island]

what etinol said

[modest kraken]

What state are you in, just apply to the state schools

[hearty island]

he just said he’s in NYC

[quaint mist]

Is there a channel where I could ask for javascript help maybe

[pine sleet]

it should not be that much if you're in state

[pine sleet]

you can ask in off topic

[quaint mist]

Thanks

[modest kraken]

My goal is to try and pay for my own college tuition
(Kinda hard considering good schools charge over 50k a year but we will find a way)

[hearty island]

bro the masters i’m gonna do is only $22k in total lol

[quaint mist]

Uhhh could you link it I can’t find it #off topic

[hearty island]

in total.
like everything.

[pine sleet]

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

[hearty island]

suny old westbury

top 3 in forensic accounting

hofstra & adelphi are garbage brother

[vapid jay]

no way when i was going to college they were top picks

[hearty island]

idk tbh
but i know fs hofstra & adelphi are not it

yes. but what do you have over qualified ppl that you should get in over them?

lol kek

get good at a programming domain and create projects

bc what you said doesn’t go in depth in enough

fun

[modest kraken]

How many jobs does someone typically apply to

And do they send emails if you are rejected or do they just ghost you

[peak halo]

either
I applied to well over 100 positions. probably closer to 200.

[modest kraken]

How many said yes?

[peak halo]

I got two offers

[modest kraken]

Ah shit

[peak halo]

The market was better then than it is now (this is in the US)

[modest kraken]

Fuck

[peak halo]

what's wrong?

[modest kraken]

Were you very qualified for all those positions

[peak halo]

No, but I was exceptionally qualified for the one that I got.

[modest kraken]

Seems quite hard to find some work dunnit

[peak halo]

the first job hunt is brutal

[modest kraken]

The first as in… just graduated?

[peak halo]

Yes

[modest kraken]

I see

Well, it’s not very urgent right now so I’m fine

[hearty island]

4k apps, 2 offers, 30 interviews

[modest kraken]

You? That’s crazy

[dense steppe]

Hello

[uncut cedar]

Imagine using python c++ better

[hearty island]

yes

[lilac hearth]

I just pitched our AI cybersecurity startup to a VC and I am now looking for Python co-founders to build MVP.

[cold dragon]

I'll die homeless cuz of this

[pastel aspen]

Just in case it helps anybody, I've found this to be a great tool despite having the worst name ever: https://www.pramp.com/

[vapid jay]

anyone do compettigve programming?
does it helpyou get a job?

[peak halo]

basic leetcode-style questions are useful for learning basic programming skills.

but elite competitive programming questions have almost zero practical application, and the techniques you need to use to win programming competitions are basically the opposite of the techniques you'd use to write actual software. So I would recommend not doing competitive programming.

[cobalt bear]

what language is good for os devolopment?

[buoyant seal]

😏 Linux is made in C, and some its devs transitioned to Rust usage.

[old silo]

Sadly here isn't the case where I live,here resume isn't even selected if you don't have a degree

[crude basin]

rust anyday!!!!

[old silo]

Feeling the pain rn 😔

[modest kraken]

I use rust

[vapid jay]

Hi...

[obtuse scarab]

https://exemple.com

[limber gulch]

Hi

Any backend developers?)

[peak halo]

What would you ask the backend developer if there was one?

[pastel aspen]

Curious what people think of this article's take, hopefully it's not paywalled? https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/the-reality-of-tech-interviews
The 'team matching' part in particular is interesting to me.

[vapid jay]

So is it used to test your knowledge or problem solving abilities or smth? I saw one by amazon where they gave you the length of a rope hung by two poles and asked you to find the height of the lowest point of the rope. It was a stupid and a hard question and I see no actual use of it in there industry

[open ivy]

Soft-skills are, like any skill, far from one-dimensional either.

I am not good at strong first impressions.

However, I am very good at cycle breaking.

Since childhood I have been repeatably ghosted, shamed, isolated, rejected, called out, etc. Why? Because the world is unfair. But I did not dish it back out. A cashier rolling thier eyes at me over a social faux pas does not deserve to be a target of my anger. They have enough problems already!

If you also feel this way, you are not alone and you are doing a very useful soft-skill for future jobs.

I do wonder how best to advertise my ability to avoid this cycle...

[peak halo]

were they expected to solve that problem with code? this sounds like a math word problem. competitive programming questions are usually about finding the optimal solution to a problem with many, many possible combinations.

[vapid jay]

It was for a programming position I beleive but the only solutions I saw with it were by using basic geometry

[open ivy]

They do have word problems in coding jobs as there is an overlap.

[vapid jay]

Breh

[vast shoal]

Competitive programming is, in my experience, a game where you memorize as many arcane algos and data structures as possible, and hope you're able to remember the one the problem was designed for you to use

[vapid jay]

So many bots in every server I see lol

[peak halo]

!cleanban 1202317964586520671 First message was a spammy advertisement for automated trading.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @broken sinew permanently.

[vapid jay]

Seems stupid tbh I mean if you can solve a problem and they can find no issues with it then why can't thay be good enough lol

[vast shoal]

And yeah, it's basically completely unrelated to professional development

[vast shoal]

Cause the problems are designed in such a way that no solution will be fast enough unless you use the right algorithm or data structure

[peak halo]

that's why, if I saw a resume that emphasized competitive programming experience, I would see that as a red flag. it means they wasted their time learning something that doesn't matter, and might have a misguided understanding of what does matter.

(but idk if I'll ever see another resume again, thanks to Agent Orange.)

[vast shoal]

It really should be called competitive DS&A

[vapid jay]

Currently I'm prioritising learning new problem solving techniques but I've become stumped as I feel like I've learned every method...

[open ivy]

It is fun to dip my feet in here and to not be embarrassed by not knowing "common knowledge" here and there.

Agree with you. Besides my personal projects, networking is a much more fruitful skill building for my career. I will be interacting with humans on the job a lot more than will be looking up arcane micro-optimizations. So I need to get a healthy share of human interaction always.

[vast shoal]

I think code jams are more what you'd call actual competitive programming

[peak halo]

what about hackathons?

[vast shoal]

Wait, what's the difference?

[vapid jay]

Code jams seem fun but I'm always too shy to try it as I don't think I work well with other people

All of my projects are one sided atp bc it seems like only I can get things done fast enough or with a high enough quality

[vast shoal]

I think hackathons were probably what I was thinking of

[peak halo]

tbh, whatever difference I think there is probably isn't universal. but in my experience, a hackathon is an in-person event with a tight time-window.

[vast shoal]

That's what I was thinking, yeah

[vapid jay]

Hackathons?

[vast shoal]

I guess it doesn't have to be in-person, though

[peak halo]

the hackathon at my university was in-person (before covid) and ran for 24 hours. you weren't expected to sleep.

[vast shoal]

But you build something in a limited time and then a winner is voted on. Feels like it much more accurately reflects what real programming is like.

[vapid jay]

Sleep? Never heard of it 😭

[vast shoal]

We have an internal hackathon at my employer once every 6 months. It's also 24 hours, but barely anyone stays up all night for it. And coming in person is not a requirement.

[open ivy]

Yes it does make sense to limit the time. Like only touch a line of code from 8am to 12pm and from 1pm to 9pm during the hackathon.

Because it should be about competitive programming not competitive insomnia.

[peak halo]

!otn a competitive insomnia

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: Added competitive-insomnia to the names list.

[open ivy]

And a 24 hour hackathon is silly. Make it 16 hours 8am to midnight makes much more sense no one will pull an all nighter.

[vast shoal]

I mean, I just don't care enough to lose sleep over it. It's fun, and it'd be fun to win, but you win like a restaurant ticket or something.

[vapid jay]

A day's worth of work for food lol

[vast shoal]

Eh, I think it makes sense, it starts at noon day 1 and ends at noon the next day, and you can sleep as much or as little as you want.

[still condor]

I win

[pine sleet]

you don’t have to pull all nighters at 24h hackathons. All the ones I’ve been to a lot of people sleep at night

[bold warren]

hiii

[true harness]

posers

[pine sleet]

real

[plush summit]

We do pizza parties lol

[regal axle]

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[icy pagoda]

they are fun puzzles though ;-;

programmers are one of the only jobs people hire by throwing fun puzzles at you

[open ivy]

"The job is eating me alive". Ok so why do you still have time to doomscroll?

[dapper mulch]

I just wish the puzzles were "I can't get this api working" not "fizzbuzz"

like, give me a stacktrace and see how I work the code to figure it out

[pastel thunder]

There are some more observations.
I am replying to my own comment but would appreciate further comment on the discussion (about what to do if people keep talking and I am unable to make a point) especially those who were already conversing.

It seems there more to it, specifically:

• I observed that the same person who keeps interrupting me wasn't able to interrupt someone who is considered "one of the best employee" of team.
• It seems to be about influence.
• The more mature and thoughtful someone's words are the more people are willing to let them interrupt and not interrupt them.

above was quite obvious, what I found about myself is:

• It seems the person who keeps interrupting me thinks I don't come up with good reasoning (part of the reason seems that I don't explain it very well and just say "ok" when I think the next person doesnt seems to be getting my point and I will just do and show it OR when I think its too laborious to explain what I meant and argue.)
• I am kinda "ok" with others thinking I made an irrelevant point. Which is causing all this which I am not at all ok with.

I think the solution to this is to explain more clearly and not just be "ok" as that often gives others the idea that they were right and I am agreeing to their argument.

The actual problem seems to be that I dont get bothered by arguments when I should.

[icy pagoda]

in my case, it's sometimes a pain and wayy too long to explain the whole reasoning to people who don't get it, am often too lazy to do it too ;-;

[vast shoal]

It's definitely worthwhile learning to express yourself concisely and eloquently, and being able to act confident (though not confrontational) about your opinion when you think you're right. Social capital and reputation does matter to some extent.

[icy pagoda]

so a "sure" even when they don't understand is more convenient

[vast shoal]

Easier said than done, of course. But recognizing that not being able to do so is a weakness and a problem is the first step to solving it.

I've never done this myself but perhaps it could be worthwhile explicitly looking into like, practicing rhetoric.

I'm sure there's quite a bit of overlap with what you want to be able to do, presenting reasonable arguments in a persuasive way.

I'm sure there's tons of books, articles and videos on this topic.

[covert widget]

@brazen bone sorry to bother you but I participated in a coding competition on this server a few years back. I was thinking if there is a certificate or something as a proof of my participation. I want it for my college application. They take students with good coding background and this competition will look good on my application.
Thanks.

[brazen bone]

So, I’m not staff who runs the coding competitions. Even still, I highly doubt any certificates are given out. The certificates would be basically meaningless (it’s not like these are accredited courses!) and besides the competitions here are mostly for fun

If you want to show off proof could you not link to a GitHub repo instead?

[vast shoal]

I think maybe @leaden jasper might know if this is even a remote possibility.

She's in charge of events.

[covert widget]

Well I participated in it in like jul 2020. Is the repo still there?

[brazen bone]

That I don’t know. You’ll have to message the name given above.

[fast fossil]

the competition had a central repository?
but even so, surely you'd have had to fork it and so you'd have your version on your account anyway
when's the last time you used git or github?

[covert widget]

Ya, I found the repo that has me as a contributor and it also has python code jam repo link. So I think that is fine. Thanks.

[thorny delta]

Any good resources I can use to build my portfolio

[brazen bone]

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[brazen bone]

Here are some project ideas you can look into

[zealous hedge]

i wanna be a dinosaur

[covert widget]

You should start by training to dodge a boulder

[cursive ore]

Hello there I have just started learning python and I new to coding. I have been doing harvard cs50 so far Any suggestions on what mistakes I should not make while learning?

[vast shoal]

Don't bite off more than you can chew. Try to aim for progressively learning new concepts and ideas, bit by bit, in small steps. Don't compare yourself to others, everyone learns differently, and the rate at which you learn is not a predictor for how far you can go. Experience and effort is much more important than talent or intelligence. Try to start working on small projects of your own, and set your goals low to begin with, and progressively increase the complexity and difficulty as you go, so each step doesn't feel so huge.

Putting what you learn into practice is the best way to truly internalize it.

[onyx grail]

should i get me a bachelors in ai and data science degree just cause the private uni that offers it has a slightly better reputation or stick to getting a bachelors in cs from a slightly lower ranked one, both are equally recognized and cost about the same

[umbral frigate]

What do you feel more passionate about?

[onyx grail]

i had always planned for bsc in cs cause that allows for a masters or specialization in many

[onyx grail]

i cant really put it down on a rock but im most likely to go into an ai related field

[umbral frigate]

Then go for the ai/data science

[onyx grail]

it wouldn’t cover cs principles as deep

[umbral frigate]

But do you feel like learning cs is a necessary step for you?

[onyx grail]

learning cs yes but i think i can do that even without paying tuition for it

[onyx grail]

its mostly about the reputation/ranking cuz if doesnt matter all so much id rather go with cs instead

[fringe sphinx]

It's hard to say in abstract. Reputation doesn't carry as much weight as you'd think, imo, unless you're talking about the very top of the top. Different schools have different experiences... some 'lower ranked' schools have great alumni networks, etc.

[onyx grail]

just what i was thinking, i am going to go for the cs degree for its depth and flexibility

[golden goblet]

Can anyone review my resume

Ping me and i ll dm

[proud glacier]

The usual way this goes is that you post an anonymized version of your resume here, and people give feedback in public. We don't generally do DMs.

[golden goblet]

How can i post anonymized version,
I have to edit then

[proud glacier]

Just remove your name, and any other details you don't want in public

[fleet iris]

where to find summer internships online ones prefered

[peak halo]

are you a university student? universities often have career services centers that know what companies recruit students at that university.
summer internships are rarely offered to non-students.

[exotic onyx]

Do you guys do leetcode exercises everyday to get a job? I've been searching for a job for months now and always fail those tests, im so bad at them 😔

[peak halo]

how many interviews have you had where they asked you leetcode questions?

[exotic onyx]

maybe 4 or 5

[silent sparrow]

Hey i wanna learn python from basics from today i m new in coding from where to learn it?

[true harness]

you only need to practice until you're comfortable with them. if you are failing, you should probably practice

[exotic onyx]

how long does it take to make you comfortable with them

[true harness]

it is different for everyone

[open ivy]

Yes I agree with this.

Remember that getting a job is about being good enough at a range of skills.

It helps to also be very very good at a particular skill to put that best foot forward. What is very fun for you to do?

The main thing holding me back is two particular soft skills. One is finding a community that matches my interests. The second is real-time conversation reactions.

But you seem to struggle more with Leetcode, i.e. basic algorithm design. So yes, get that up to "good enough" status but remember there are other skills that matter as well.

[exotic onyx]

I will say that the main for me right now or maybe in those companies is just getting passed those technical tests that include these type of leetcode questions.

Maybe the other is just the behavioral interview questions where maybe i know a few things but I can't express them clearly and specifically way that can sell what I did in certain projects

[near ocean]

Leetcode is definitely more straight forward to practice than soft skills

And higher value imho for juniors than soft skills

[sand patio]

ok so, it's time for me to commit to college--I want to go into CS and eventually get a career in SWE, I was wondering if yall had some advice about my options.

I got into three schools
George Mason University for CS and the honors college.

• it's close and I'd commute, but I'd like to avoid commuting and I just don't like the school.
  Rutgers for CS and the honors college.
• I got a sizable scholarship, but I'll weigh my financial options separately.
  University of Maryland College Park for CE
• I didn't make it for my first choice major (CS), I can do computer engineering instead however.

I'm leaning towards Rutgers, but I'd like some insight into the strength of these programs and what career options may look like upon graduation/opportunities I'd have while in school.

I'm in the U.S., fwiw.

additionally, I got waitlisted at Virginia Tech and Purdue. I'd probably go to one of those if I got off their waitlists

another option I have is attending CC for a year or two and transferring to UVA--after one year I can apply for transfer, after two years I'll have my associates and a guaranteed transfer. Is that worth it? Do I lose many opportunities from going to CC for two years?

[open ivy]

Are you sure? I face a lot of social rejection. People always being "busy", getting mad at me, ghosting, getting excessively quiet when I engage them, etc. Always me reaching out to others, rarely the other way around. Soft skills are crucial no matter the level and thankfully as time goes on and I gradually improve things are getting better.

I would say both soft and hard are equally crucial at all levels.

[near ocean]

Yes technical ability is more important than social skills for entry level and junior devs
Doesnt mean you should be antisocial or not practice, but technical interviews carry more weight at that level

[vapid violet]

it's close and l'd commute, but I'd like to avoid commuting and just don't like the school.
Imo this should be an automatic no

[pine sleet]

this would require a fairly in depth analysis so it's something you'll have to do your own research on. all of those schools are fine, but some may be better than others based on what you're optimizing for. CC is a good plan, you're trading off some opportunities for price. you would be missing out on things like research oppurtunities and career fairs your first two years at CC

i also wouldn't recommend doing CE just because you didn't get into CS

[open ivy]

I always thought of it as an "AND gate", both have to be good enough. At this point ikenshu seems to be lacking crucial technical skills thus the weakness in leetcode so you are right that they need more technical.

Also, all skills are multifaceted. My best soft skill is "cycle breaking". My best technical skills lie in algorithm design. Perhapse Ikenshu also has technical skill strengths that manifest outside of leetcode?

[pine sleet]

depending on the role your social skills don't need to be as good as you're making it out to be

we're engineers not sales people

trying to overanalyze and study it like it's math is not a good use of anyones time

it's valid for some people where it's a medical issue, but that's different and you should be seeing a medical professional about that anyway who can give better advice

[vapid violet]

What worked for me was setting up a spreadsheet and I narrowed it down to 2 and then factored in gut feeling
College Name, Status , Location, Time From Home, City Population, Comp Sci Rank, Engineering Rank, Students, Student To Faculty, Average Class Size, Years Required To Live On Campus, Requires Foreign Language , Merit Based Financial Aid Per Year, Estimated First Year Cost, Greek Life, Weather, Transportation, Campus Safety, Food Rating, Ice Cream Machine, Housing Options , Public/Private, Application Fee, Application Type, Act Average, GPA Average , Laptop Program

[pine sleet]

bro put ice cream machine

[vapid violet]

Yes I did

[pine sleet]

based

[sand patio]

yeah I'd hate to go there, but it was worth evaluating at least

[sand patio]

how worth it do you think the CC tradeoff is? I miss two years of opportunities, but I'm guaranteed to graduate with a degree from a T25 school

[pine sleet]

your 4 years is far more than the piece of paper you end up with. those 2 years of oppurtunities can be fairly big

[sand patio]

makes sense

do you have any idea on how Rutgers's CS program is regarded?

[pine sleet]

plus, these days the money you pay isn't even for the content which is often taught badly at universities and is available online anyway

[sand patio]

I've heard that job placement is pretty great at least

[pine sleet]

it's pretty middle of the pack. fairly good name recognition and programs. not ivy league but also not bottom of the barrel

[vapid violet]

Also make sure to look into what credits are accepted from that CC, you don't want to have to retake classes because the university you go to does not accept those transfer credits

[pine sleet]

real

[peak halo]

university prestige is less important for CS than, for example, law. what's more important is job placement and course offerings that relate to your interests.
if you go the CC route, you need to account for whether or not that will delay your final graduation. if it takes you an extra year to start working, that's one year of lost income.

[sand patio]

yeah that's true

[open ivy]

You know those people who can "charm a room". We all have met them, they really stand out.

Lets say you, for whatever reason, really needed those skills a year from now. How would you go about learning them? You are correct that it would be different than learning something "mathy" such as General Relativity. What approach would be taken instead?

Sure, we don't need to go all the way to "charm a room levels" if we are tech geeks. But we all could go down that path a little bit to iron out our social awkwardness that can come with too much mathy thinking.

[pine sleet]

same as learning any skill. practice

[open ivy]

But you said "don't overthink them"?

[pine sleet]

and because you don't need too much of it, you don't have to practice it that much anyway. it's why engineering programs often only have one or two communications and writing courses compared to other majors

[pine sleet]

don't, just talk to people. if you're overanalyzing it chances are people will pick up on it and it'll just feel weird

communication is definetely important but i think you're making it out to be a far larger problem than it really is

[open ivy]

"Just talking to people" and "doing what was natural" did not work.

For one it led me to talking way too much lol. It also led to others talking too little.

Artificially restraining myself left way more silent moments and felt less natural but it was better than not doing so so far.

So maybe it is a balance between "act natural" and "mathy analyze"?

[pine sleet]

you just need to do it more

[weak monolith]

Is Python with Django and FastAPI a good stack? How's it to get a job as a fresher?

[pine sleet]

django and fastapi are kinda orthogonal

but yeah you can learn both. lots of jobs using django out there. don't know about fastapi since it's a bit new but I don't think it matters much, you're not being hired for that anyway

[weak monolith]

Yeah I meant python and Django, I added fastapi in there since I'm quite comfortable using it

[pine sleet]

sure, those are good tools to be familiar with

[weak monolith]

How's it compared to MERN? I don't like JS or React. I hate front end which is why I moved to python and flask/django

[pine sleet]

i think it's personal preference

[buoyant seal]

Better than MERN, python is less shot guning language than javascript
both python frameworks come with more sensible SQL first approach usually (or at least Django does), instead of encouraging to do Mongo
still Python remains a scripting language and posses similar problems to javascript
Lack of static typing, performance problems, lack of real multithreading, the regular issues.
On a plus side though, Python is very easy unit testable and beginer friendly

Fastapi is a bit more of a freedom for dev to pave its own way with whatever libs/dbs wishing to connect
Where Django is enforcing its own ecosystem and architecture, u will get benefits if u adhere to it, and u will face struggles when trying to get out of its boundaries. It has its own advantages when used by not very expert people, since u can just install yet another plugin that does things for you
Django is good, if what u make is... fitting the scheme of doing the stuff through "Django ORM" -> that puts stuff through relational database
Django is extremely bad, if your desire to implement overly custom application that just stores its state in some not supported database choice, including quite bad (with Python picked too) if wishing to store state in shared memory instead of using external dbs and your application is in general CPU performance sensitive and wishing to squeeze possible maximum out of present hardware
Django/FastAPI/Python can scale horizontally and taking usage of multiple cores... but it requires... scaling by amount of processes usually (not usable for shared memory written logic)

There is a more possible quality achievable with other languages/tech stacks
I would warn you here also in addition, that when u choose not Js/TS for backend, and remain having intensive modern js frameworks at front, u will face also consequences of working with two different langauges that have a problem to share any code or data structs between their communications (there are some solutions to mitigate it)

i am strongly disliking using js/ts too, and prefer using backend languages.
I mitigated so far the problem of front, by just using simple html/css and sprinkling stuff with htmx.
Making sure my code logic fits requests/response interactions / or fits code logic of a static site generator
Tried different code generators solutions for sharing data structs in its own shareable code logic between different languages, but it is quite bumpy experience

[plucky perch]

Heyy any ai ml Eng or researcher pls dm me

[near ocean]

No, ask your questions here

[plucky perch]

I aspire to be a aiml eng
Im in my third yr of undergraduation
How shud i start to land a good full time role by this December

[fringe sphinx]

The big three are: prepare the best resume you can and get it reviewed. Network: talk to family, friends, classmates, etc - be interested in other people. Practice for interviews, both technical and non technical

[vapid violet]

So I had 4 short virtual self-paced coding problems sent to me by a company I applied to for an internship. Are there things that I should keep in mind when making the code? For example at one point I sorted a list with pythons built in sort method, does this give the impression that I am efficient and knowledgeable in python, or that I possibly do not know how to make a sorting algorithm? Are these problems looking for the best time complexity, speed that I can come up with a solution (I assume it timed how long it took me), or readable well commented code?

I have had no contact with the company other then me applying and them sending me an email with a link to the challenge website a few days later

[pine sleet]

it's impossible to know what the interviewer is looking for without asking them

[vapid violet]

They did not even give a name of an interviewer, just a generic [e-mail] email for questions and concerns. So, I probably dont know what they are looking for, so not much I can "optimize" I guess.

[thorny delta]

What’s the job market looking like for someone that only codes in python?

[fringe sphinx]

Just be careful with some of these. Some of these quickly turn into predatory/scam behavior. Check the email domain/etc and make sure it's not something odd

I recall someone a year ago who did some online test, was 'offered' a job, but everything was on some unofficial email domain etc

[vapid violet]

I did because I did not remember applying to the company but it turns out I did. From [e-mail] which seems to be a real website.

[pine sleet]

same as the job market for someone that only knows how to use a screwdriver

[true harness]

generally, if the problem asks you to sort, write your own. if it doesn't, use std lib

[thorny delta]

Not helpful 😅

[pine sleet]

you'll be competing with people that know many languages, frameworks and tools and are good at using them

[vapid jay]

anyone working digitaly as a coder?

[near ocean]

do you mean remote?

[vapid jay]

yes,

[near ocean]

yes plenty of people

[vapid jay]

I mean am at active search of remote coding/tech job, I know python , also HTML for web deving. but mainly I am a sysadmin and eth hacker. but even with a good knowledge I am not aware at the places or comunities where people really make money with remote jobs....

[near ocean]

yes its hard to find good remote jobs, usually juniors dont have the "value" to negotiate remote jobs
are you only looking at remote jobs?

[echo kraken]

Hi everyone!

My name is Erick, I'm from Brazil and I have experience in data analysis using tools like Excel, Power BI, Python, and SQL. Currently, I’m working as a Data Analyst right now at a company where I’ve been developing my skills and contributing to data-driven decision-making.

I'm now looking for a remote (home office) opportunity where I can apply my knowledge, grow professionally, and collaborate with a team that values innovation and results. I’m passionate about transforming data into insights and would love the chance to work with international teams and help drive impactful solutions.

If you know of any opportunities or would like to connect, feel free to reach out!

right now i know both programming like i know python, java, html and data analyst, but i'm looking more for the data area.

[inner wren]

Rules

The rules and guidelines that apply to this community can be found on our rules page. We expect all members of the community to have read and understood these.

[fast fossil]

!rule paid

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[echo kraken]

sorry, thanks for the reminder

my objetive is more to know if it is possible to me on Brazil get something home office

[pine sleet]

how many years of experience do you have?

[echo kraken]

experience working 1.
experience learning doing projects and such things 3.

but i don't know which is more important

[echo kraken]

maybe i could be a junior? or can i apply for mid-level?

[pine sleet]

so yeah basically junior. it'll be tough to find a remote job in swe

[echo kraken]

got it, but i need to start from somewhere i guess

[echo kraken]

thanks a lot for the help, i will not forget this

[weak monolith]

That was a lot of useful information. Thanks, ig I'll stick to django until I find a job

[rugged axle]

can I do high frequency trading + algo trading on my own as a side thing ? long story short I am working in a startup as high frequency trading developer. I want to use this experience to make something of my own ?

[tender terrace]

Yeah, hey—I’m Austin. I’m a full stack developer, but I’ve mostly focused on backend the past few years. I’ve got about 10 years of experience, mainly using Python—FastAPI, Django, Flask—and I’ve worked a lot with React on the frontend side too.

Lately, I’ve been at NetSuite building APIs and backend services, working closely with frontend teams. I'm comfortable with cloud stuff like AWS, CI/CD, Docker, Kubernetes—all the usual. I really enjoy working on scalable systems and just building solid, clean APIs that teams can rely on.

[peak halo]

Hello, you can get job hunting advice here, but you can't get jobs directly. you'd need to go to a hiring site for that.

[summer roost]

!cban 427861852375220244 interview fraud