career-advice

[fervent grove]

i see thanks for clarifying cause i currently want to improve teams development progress, but dislike scrum

any recommendations 😄

[sly ibex]

What about with a degree apprenticeship? They also extremely popular.

[fervent grove]

do u mean a apprenticeship combined with a degree?

[sly ibex]

Yes

[fervent grove]

sure its a degree after all 😄

[sly ibex]

Considering its 2025 already and I graduate from college in 2026 lol.

[fervent grove]

but i wouldnt say puts u upfront a degree only applicant

[sly ibex]

So what would you suggest to me?

[fervent grove]

which field u want to apply for (pharma, tech, etc.)

[sly ibex]

A field that relates to programming or something.

[deft herald]

Your best bet is to get an internship in 2025

[fervent grove]

u should have somewhat experience in the field u want to apply to given an internship or project work of any kind related to that field

but internships are great to get in touch with hiring manager

[sly ibex]

Well I did self learned python and created a full python Game so...

[fervent grove]

so u want to be a game dev?

[sly ibex]

Yes I see basically work experience

[sly ibex]

Not really I just love to study and explore many fields in the computing world.

[fervent grove]

cause python game is somewhat a niche

[sly ibex]

You mean its not that great for creating games?

[fervent grove]

i do, and to my knowledge its in no means state of the art, making the experience in it somewhat redundant

[sly ibex]

ok

[fervent grove]

so u should check which jobs might be suitable for u good paying jobs where u can utilise ur python (basics?) would be
Junior Data Engineer
Junior Data Scientist
Junior Prompt Engineer (yes that seems to be a job)

[sly ibex]

Do all these Junior jobs require you to have a A level?

[deft herald]

Junior Prompt Engineer (yes that seems to be a job)
oh no

[fervent grove]

big adventage for u would then be to check out SQL and learn basics as its the standard

[fervent grove]

degree not A-level

but u really should focus on what u want to do rather than just apply for internships/jobs

[sly ibex]

Well at the end of my journey whenever I get there hopefully I want to become a really good programmer.

[fervent grove]

thats good but u should think about what u want to do for the next 40 years

cause programming is a super wide area, and ull never cover every aspect of it

[sly ibex]

Yes as technology is advancing every day, its important to keep up to date.

[fervent grove]

true but not what i meant, u should check what u want to do, whether its statistic, genAI, data science, developing, etc.

[sly ibex]

ok

[fervent grove]

for example i have a natural science related background and did not study computer science, however my job now is data analytics/science

[rugged axle]

does github sponsor devs what are the odds of me being sponsored for github sponsors ?

https://github.com/X1Vi

I have ongoing PRs in freecodecamp, bluesky, memeos and a some other repos ?

[main breach]

Hello everyone, I hope everyone is well.
I have almost 4 years of experience developing Embedded Software with C. In this time I have used a lot of Python for creating scripts for processing and visualizing data from my devices. At the moment I want to do a career transition to some Python Backend position. I have already experience with git, SCRUM, CI/CD and have studied about Flask, Rest APIs, SQLite, PostgreSQL, Docker and Kubernetes.

What would be your recommendation for my next step in landing a Python position?

[deft herald]

Probably filling out an application or 2

[vernal lake]

I think your best bet is to play the numbers game and apply for as many positions as possible on LinkedIn Jobs and Indeed.

[ionic canyon]

Heyy I just started learning python as a hobby and I'm not entirely sure if I want to make it into my career. I'm just really into knowing how computers work and such. What are some career options if I choose to make it into one? I really like data stuff

[burnt glade]

Hello

[deft herald]

There are many careers which require python expertise. If you like programming, you should look into pursuing a degree in Computer Science

[ionic canyon]

Hmm yeah I'll look into it. I need to finish some stuff first so it'll probably take a year or two even. I just find computers really fascinating and I would love to do some engineering too

[deft herald]

Computer Engineering would also be a good option. How much (formal) education do you have currently?

[ionic canyon]

I'm working on finishing my basic qualification on tourism and I'm 20. (And no it's not really interesting just customer service. I'm already almost finished and it would be a total waste to abandon it) I really like astronomy too so I was thinking I could include that somehow! I only started being interested in scientific topics like a year ago and I wasnt the best at school due to horrible neglect at home. I was always interested though! Also dont worry I'm in a much better mental state right now

[main breach]

I have being applying to a bunch of job positions, tailoring my CV to each one, but still all responses are negative. I want to improve my portfolio to increase my chances, but maybe there is something else I am missing.

I have a bachelor and master in Control and Automation Engineering. Am I missing some Computer Science related certificates?

[fringe sphinx]

You can share your anonymized resume here for review. Hard to give advice without knowing what you're sending

[vernal lake]

I have found work by using Linkedin's "Easy Apply" button and then mass applying for jobs. It's a numbers game, in my belief. Changing your resume to apply for each position takes to much time and misses out on the chances your resume lands on the hiring managers desk at exactly the write time. As soon as a job is posted its only a few hours before there are hundreds of applicants, that's why I use the "Numbers Game" approach in mass applying for jobs.

Again, this is only my opinion but I have found that by the time I apply for between 100-150 jobs I will have had up to a half dozen interviews and will have an offer letter in my inbox.

[fringe sphinx]

Agree, altho I'd add; instead of tailoring for 'each' job, you could prepare version of resume that emphasize different skills depending on the job.

[vernal lake]

That actually a really good idea.

[tiny pebble]

Hi, I’m Endri, I started doing some python projects, and I’m looking for some intern job, if anyone is interested please let me know?

[pine sleet]

we don't really do recruiting here, you will have better luck looking on linkedin

[tiny pebble]

Okay, sorry

[fringe sphinx]

Hi, we don't allow ads here. Your post has been removed. You can DM modmail for further information.

[rugged hearth]

sup yall

[vapid jay]

Hope everyonehas had an amazing night <3

[spiral radish]

Hope everyone has had an amazing day <3

[jagged ridge]

Hi guys, I need some guidance & suggestions.
I'm into the field of MLas well into DL. My goal is to be into these fields & create models. But I wonder in astronomy how ML works? Which expertise should I have in ML for space projects?

Would like an expert person guidance who have the proper knowledge. Thanks

[heavy bay]

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[main breach]

Hi BillyBobby, I am not able to share a pdf, but here are the 2 pages from my Resume. This model that I am using is recommended for the German market.

[gritty rivet]

Given that this question is a bit specialized, I'd recommend looking on places like LinkedIn where you better find people with relevant experience. You might even look for academic papers and reach out to authors

[fringe sphinx]

I have no experience in German resumes, but for 3 years experience, I'd expect a one page resume. The spacing and bullets are verbose / sparse on information. The summary paragraph doesn't really say much, I'd keep maybe the first sentence and that's it. If you're looking for an embedded job, then re-order your experience bullets to emphasize that first: in the most recent experience, put the firmware bullet first. And, say more. All you said is 'led the firmware development': what about it?

[main breach]

Thanks for the feedback.

In my case, I have experience with Firmware, but I want a new role as Beckend with Python (maybe Web-dev). Therefore, I have not that much relevant professional exp, only some data gathering and visualization with pandas and matplotlib.

Do I keep my FW exp in the CV to show I know about programming or should I keep only python related experience?

[fringe sphinx]

Your summary mentions experienced in Embedded first, which suggested to me that that's what you were looking for. People don't read the entire resume at first or the middle of a long paragraph where it says what you want to transition into.

Tbh, I don't think the summary adds much value. They're useful as a one sentence to say anything that's not obvious from the resume, like relocation or specific industries. You could prepare different versions for different jobs tho.

[brazen island]

How do you guys coach junior colleagues? I find that really hard sometimes. I like pair programming in principle but it's very challenging with strict deadlines. It ends up becoming me implementing it and them not really getting it. Plus I end up losing time to do my own tasks.

The obvious answer is "assign them easier tasks and review what they do" but we're all technically "owners" of different processes so we don't directly work on the same thing together if that makes sense?

[fringe sphinx]

Most of my coaching is in code reviews, tbh. Give them tasks, figure out what they can handle on their own, and make time for a few mid-day conversations to make sure they're not stuck / answer qs.

[digital fjord]

Coaching juniors does take time away and does make you less productive in the short term. You may need to reasses your processes to allocate time towards this.

[brazen island]

The problem is, I'm not in a position to review them or their code. They're fully responsible for their part. All I can do is respond to ad hoc questions / give advice.

[fringe sphinx]

That makes it difficult for sure, they have to be willing to come to you and ask questions.

[brazen island]

And luckily they do. What I want to do is get the most out of the times they ask questions so they grow as fast as they could (given the strange setup)

[fringe sphinx]

Other way to mentor is to lead by example. Takes more effort tho, but showing them what you're doing and including them in your thought process perhaps?

[near ocean]

It ends up becoming me implementing it and them not really getting it
Don't do this
You say theyre fully responsible for their code but not really if you complete it for them

[deft herald]

With the separated ownership needs to also come accountability. Like old man said, you shouldn't feel the need to implement it yourself if it's something the junior guy already committed to doing. You don't need to say "hey get this done or i'm reporting you", but you could be persistent at offering your help or advice. Or maybe don't even ask "is there anything you need from me?" but something more like "hey can we schedule some time tomorrow to go over your progress on X?"

"assign them easier tasks and review what they do"

Also i get this logic but i've also had a lot of success assigning people less easy tasks to really challenge them. Sometimes they excel, sometimes they fall short, but at least they learned something

[deft herald]

Fully agree with this too. If you really want to be a mentor, it's gonna take a significant chunk of your time

[surreal zephyr]

Can I create an image processing project using Django?

[deft herald]

This is #career-advice . YOu can ask in #python-discussion or create a help channel

[drifting tangle]

Hello guys, how are you? I'm a developer in Brazil, and I'm looking for job opportunities abroad to work as a junior Python developer. What are the best strategies to find a job like that?

[brazen island]

I don’t need to, but I want them to not fail their responsibilities

[deft herald]

You taking over their responsibilites is still them failing their responsibilities

[brazen island]

That’s very true, but essentially: my idea is that over time they get better and better and they don’t need my help to complete tasks. I don’t want to make them depend on me either

[covert steeple]

Hello folks was wondering where you guys had the most luck/success in the job hunt process. I have a bachelors in Data Science with internship experince. Sound knowledge of SQL Python r etc... Dont care to bore you just looking for tips I may have overlooked!

[peak halo]

what have you done so far to hunt for jobs?

[hallow folio]

hello evryone

Any DevOps engineer in this thread ?

[near ocean]

why do you ask?

[hallow folio]

nothing special

[hallow folio]

just want to know

[near ocean]

want to know what? whether devops people exist?

what would you ask if someone said yes

[hallow folio]

yes

Because i am working as Desktop support engineer

[hallow folio]

now looking for an DevOps engineer role

just need some tips from that person if any DevOps engineer exist here

[near ocean]

do you have career related questions for devops engineers?

[hallow folio]

yes i have

[near ocean]

so ask them here

[hallow folio]

Actually i have not industrial level project handons
but i have learned DevOps tools with my self study
and also complete around 15+ handon projects on AWS

i want to know is this sufficient for me to get into job ?

does anyone have any idea regarding that ?

[stark viper]

Can someone please suggest the best project management tool, especially for a game development team?
Options include Bitrix24, Trello, or any others you recommend?

[deft herald]

You won't find out without applying to jobs first. Sounds like you have some good experience with DevOps tools already, so i would say go for it

[silk prairie]

There is a hole inside that one

If u are looking for it

[deft herald]

YOu talking about my nose?

[silk prairie]

YES 😂

[silk prairie]

Its so funny i love it

[harsh river]

you're taking away some of their learning process though.

[peak halo]

@uneven sentinel your message was removed for containing recruitment. Please read the #rules that you agreed to when you joined the server.

[safe coral]

Whats up homies

so what do you guys recommend?

apperantly entry level IT jobs are out of question for me...

Not that I don't want the job. I had a great interview but they were worried I wouldnt be able to use my skills... Answering phones and helping customers with their computer problems might be too little for me I guess?

[summer roost]

well, they were worried you'd quit when something more in line with your education experience came up. You may have been able to reassure them that you wouldn't, but it was probably a pretty reasonable concern for them to have

[safe coral]

Yeah I assured them but it didnt work @summer roost

[safe coral]

what kind of jobs would you recommend for me

[summer roost]

I don't really know anything about data science. It's far outside of my area of expertise

[safe coral]

I think I wouldnt even have had the interview on the first place. The HR set me up

so maybe they just interviewed me for courtesy lol

and gave me an honest feedback

it was a great interview tho. We all had fun. It was just I couldn't convince them 😦

[summer roost]

it's pretty unlikely that they would have spent the time to interview you if they knew in advance that they didn't want to hire you

[safe coral]

They asked what kind of stuff I was doing during my master and they went like wow thats amazing

yeah but the recruiter and hr are different lol

The interviewer said HR sent them all sorts of people looking for this position

[summer roost]

I've never seen a place where hiring is so dysfunctional that someone without any subject matter expertise decides who will be interviewed

[safe coral]

I think they ended up hiring someone that worked as a receptionist at a dentist office

instead of me so I don't know how to feel

[safe coral]

do you think thats normal?

a receptionist as an IT person

[summer roost]

sure

[safe coral]

Capturing ticket information & Triaging tickets
Level 1/Level 2 Support
Setting customer expectations for ticket response times
Resolving and/or escalating reactive tickets (onsite or remote)
Ensuring customer satisfaction
Following standard operating procedures (SOPs) and updating SOPs as needed
Provide technical assistance with computer hardware and software
Resolve issues for clients via phone, in person, or electronically```

[summer roost]

I had an IT job once, and my job before that was working on a factory floor 🤷‍♂️

[safe coral]

this was the job description

[whole spindle]

does not sound like a DS job

[safe coral]

well I am trying to get into a tech field @whole spindle

[summer roost]

I'd just assume that whoever got the job had the relevant skills, and seemed like a better candidate to the interviewers

[safe coral]

Well they had a 90 day training period so

[summer roost]

huh. that sounds like a very long training period to me

[safe coral]

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?from=app-tracker-post_apply-appcard&hl=en&jk=20f5b8fd871f1e54&tk=1ih6ukscvj65c800

I just applied to this job xD Let's see how that works

[twilit pulsar]

is python a great way to learn analytics? I just wanted to learn python for the purpose of data analyses, research, and to learn general analytics. If you have some comments, feedbacks or ideas I am happy to have conversations

[errant thicket]

hopw you get it mate

ok everyone can you all be honest to me

i did 1 year of cs and already 20k in debt but soon if i finish i would be 100k in debt and that guy jigly hasnt found a job in a year im just scared and wanna know is it worth it?

[safe coral]

check #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

college is not a guarantee to a job. It increases your chances but its not a gurantee @errant thicket

[white relic]

maybe you weren't here for it but we just had a significant discussion about how jiggly didn't study cs

[safe coral]

I have masters in CS @white relic I did CS

[white relic]

what was the thing where you learned half what a cs major would have?

[safe coral]

CS in AI and ML specialization which is what he wants to study as well

[harsh river]

i asked if you had an CS / SWE degree and you said no before? wut

[safe coral]

Yeah my masters in CS but its ML, AI focus so I didnt do any software engineering @harsh river

all the courses I took except DSA were AI courses

[harsh river]

you keep focusing on the word "software engineering". many companies will treat both degrees as roughly the same.

[safe coral]

yeah but they probably had programming courses in their CS

I didnt have any of those in my CS masters except python programming and that was not even hard python programming

[harsh river]

ok, just sounds like you're mentally blocking and limiting yourself then.

[safe coral]

not mentally I mean you can see the courses I took in my CS masters

[harsh river]

yes, mentally, every time someone asks you something you say " i'm a Data Scientist"!!!! i'm not a Software Engineer!!!!

i dind't take SWE!!! people probably took more SWE / programming courses even though they have the exact same degree as me!!!!

[safe coral]

Yeah because its true tho. If someone asks me what encapsulation is I dont know what that is

[harsh river]

nah.
at some point you must take responsibility.

[safe coral]

What do you mean take responsibility?

do you know how broad CS is?

[harsh river]

it's never your fault is it? it's always the interviewers, it's always you being too overqualified, it's always "not what my degree is for", i'm not a coder, i'm a DS, it's always that. maybe take a pause and look at yourself.

[safe coral]

first of all they told me I was overqualified

[harsh river]

i do, and i have a job in a very hard field, without a college degree

without a CS / SWE / DS degree.

your degrees alone would have me discarded if both our resumes were put side by side.

[safe coral]

They literally told me I wouldnt be using my skills and bored in this position

[fringe sphinx]

tbh, I don't think this conversation is going to head in a productive direction. Just trying to save everyone some grief.

[safe coral]

You can be overqualified for a position

[harsh river]

this conversation repeats on a clock every 2-3 months.

[fringe sphinx]

It takes two to tango

[safe coral]

I dont need to take a pause and look at myself when I only get 2 -3 interviews a year.

[harsh river]

other people were dancing the tango before i joined

[safe coral]

That signals something about jobs not about my attitude

[harsh river]

i'll go dance some bachata / salsa instead, peace

if you never take responsibility then you're going to have a hard time, just like you've been.
tough advice but true, people have been trying to convey that same sentiment in much nicer ways every time you bring this up.

#career-advice message

[safe coral]

well I only had 3 interviews and you are telling me its my fault

tells me to take responsiblity

I guess I shouldnt have studied in college then

I literally asked someone else why I didnt get the IT job. They said by just looking at my resume that I was overqualified

[errant thicket]

dang this a tuff convo to read but i’ll pray on getting a cs job

[safe coral]

that noone would want to hire someone that could quit in 6 months when they get offered a better job

[errant thicket]

that’s really cool you got a job without a degree

[harsh river]

focus on your projects, practice, post them on your github, show your effort and dedication and you'll be fine, employers love demonstrable skills.

[white relic]

The point I was trying to make which I think still holds is that this experience isn't typical. most people with a CS degree would at some point have taken some programming classes, and at least not be dealing with this specific kind of struggle that jigglypuff finds themself in, so I wouldn't put too much weight on that anecdotal evidence.

[safe coral]

I took programming classes too

I took Python and thats it

Its not about programming courses

what makes difference is the path you choose

[errant thicket]

i see ok well i’m not gonna focus on ai ill do cs regular one jiggly stories makes me quite sad

[harsh river]

You’ve said multiple times that you haven’t, what?

[errant thicket]

ok thanks

[safe coral]

I took Python

But it wasnt that deep like you learn in some cases. I dont know anything about OOP for example

[summer roost]

OOP isn't deep, though, it's basics

[safe coral]

we didnt learn that in our Python course

[white relic]

Whatever it's about, I'm quite puzzled by your experience, because you seem to have a quite unusual education, so I'm trying to encourage not generalizing it too much.

Maybe I'm wrong.

[safe coral]

https://catalog.njit.edu/graduate/computing-sciences/computer-science/ms/

you can look here I chose the AI path in CS masters

[summer roost]

Do you remember this conversation from last year? #python-discussion message

[safe coral]

I do

[errant thicket]

holy crap i ain’t doing ai nvm then

[safe coral]

I can code in python I have no doubt on that

Like I dont code in tkinter

[summer roost]

well - somehow you've managed to finish an MS CS without learning a lot of the basics that someone with a BS CS has. You're treating object-oriented programming as though it's an advanced concept, but it's table stakes. It's basic stuff that's required to understand how to use other people's code

[safe coral]

or I dont develop application

[errant thicket]

it’s ok jiggly your in my prayers

[safe coral]

yeah because my undergrad was in BS DS @summer roost

[errant thicket]

and you will find a job soon keep believing mate 🫡

[safe coral]

now if I focused on this area in my masters:

Programming Languages and Environments
CS 602
Java Programming
CS 635
Computer Programming Languages
CS/DS 636
Data Analytics with R Program
CS 643
Cloud Computing
CS 750
High Performance Computing
CS 756
Mobile Computing and Sensor Networks

it would be very tough for me because they have a lot of prereqs lol

[errant thicket]

mate i have an idea you should apply for jobs all over the us

[safe coral]

The CS masters have very wide expertise of areas @summer roost

CS 670
Artificial Intelligence
CS/DS 675
Machine Learning
DS 669
Reinforcement Learning
CS/DS 677
Deep Learning
DS 680
Natural Language Processing
CS 631
Data Management System Design
CS 610
Data Structures and Algorithms
CS 630
Operating System Design

These are the courses I took in my grad CS masters @summer roost

so it was a lot like courses I took during my undergrad

DMSD, ML, AI I took those in my undergrad too

my advisor told me not to go through Programming and Algorithm path since they have a lot of prereqs

https://www.coursera.org/specializations/python-3-programming I am taking this course to help me a bit

so far its been very easy tho lol

Im doing my thesis next semester by the way

Its on GNNs. My professor and I will work on colon cancer detection from histology images using GNNs

[errant thicket]

good mate well i hope everything goes well for you

[safe coral]

thanks

Im excited for my thesis at least @errant thicket Im hoping to get some leverage by having a published thesis

this is the wrong channel my friend

[boreal spruce]

ah which channel?

[safe coral]

@sand patio can you remove this lol

[errant thicket]

billy really wrong channel

[safe coral]

or @fringe sphinx if you are available

[errant thicket]

go to python help

[boreal spruce]

ok

[safe coral]

go to #1035199133436354600 I guess

or #python-discussion

bu you should study AI @errant thicket you may not learn what a CS person learns but you will get a good sense of python coding and a lot of mathematics

[errant thicket]

i might mate but not to be rude your life scared me and i will continue to just do bs in cs

[safe coral]

ML/AI is more about mathematics than anything else... You need to know how to code for sure but it won't be like a full stack developer coding. You need to know how to use pandas, scikitlearn, pytorch and numpy, tensorflow and a lot of other packages

you will work with packages than anything else really lol. Dont take my life as a grain of salt

The biggest issue I have is not my education but the fact that i live in a town with 35K population

@errant thicket Im sure if I lived in a big city it would be much more different

[errant thicket]

ahhh i see ok

[safe coral]

Recruiters usually give a priority to people that live in the area where the job is

Because of logistics and everything. You need to find a place to live, living expenses and bla bla. It can be a tough situation for someone that lives miles away from the job @errant thicket I am pretty sure thats my biggest obstacle

I didnt wanna accept that fact but thats the most likely case. I can tell it cuz of the lack of callbacks I get from jobs I apply to lol. It would be much different if I lived in VA/DC area hahahaha

and remote jobs are getting slimmer and slimmer (I am not sure why tho)

Do you have any experience with government contractors? @fringe sphinx

I have been in touch with this company and they wanna hire me for sure but they are waiting for some sort of grant I guess?

I interviewed them 2 times hahaha

[harsh river]

Looks like by the end of the month you should be fine

[clear kestrel]

looking for python help at an affordable price. Is there a job board?

[peak halo]

This server isn't the place to look; you'll have to use the job board in the description of this channel (which links to an external site)

[summer roost]

this sets off some scam alarms for me... I'd suggest being careful with these people. It's extremely weird to see an American company say "11 December" instead of "the 11th of December" or "December 11th". There's some other weird things in there, but that one seems really obvious to me

[safe coral]

It’s not a scam at all. I interviewed them face to face

[summer roost]

hm. ok

[safe coral]

I met the company’s CEO too.

[summer roost]

googling "MCICOM" just finds me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Installations_Command - and that doesn't sound like what this is letter is talking about

[safe coral]

Yeah it’s a Marine corp job

[summer roost]

ok

[safe coral]

This was an earlier email in November

@summer roost

I had to redo my resume because it had to be in a specific format

I’ve been in touch with them since September hahahaha

[summer roost]

that still feels very scammy to me, I don't know what else to say

[clear kestrel]

Thank you!

[summer roost]

if it isn't a scam, they should really be hiring someone to do their candidate communications, heh

[safe coral]

It’s a small business company

https://www.reedcharters.com here is their website @summer roost

[clear kestrel]

can you point me to the description please?

[safe coral]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/0johnmreed0 also the CEO I interviewed with

😄

Have you guys worked with government positions before?

[summer roost]

I think this is a double edged sword. on the one hand, it does mean that there's fewer opportunities available. On the other hand, it also means that there's significantly less competition for roles

[safe coral]

yeah like theres no DS positions here

only IT positions lol

[harsh river]

IT is a common stepping point into greater roles like SWE / CS etc

[summer roost]

that makes sense to me. DS is quite specialized work, I'd expect it to be centralized in population centers

[safe coral]

Yeah but not all of them. The one I applied to was very basic @harsh river

basically answering calls lol

more like a call center IT

I would like to work for a better IT company where you have greater opportunities

[harsh river]

i'm speaking generally.

[safe coral]

I just wanted that IT job because it paid 2 dollars more than my current job xD

18 vs 20 dollars an hour

however this government DS job pays 45 dollars an hour

[harsh river]

best of luck

[safe coral]

Its taking so long tho

I signed a letter of intent with them. Does that make me unhireable by other companies?

just wondering

[harsh river]

depends on the exact wording of the letter of intent.

[safe coral]

okay

support of the above-referenced contract upon the award of such by the Government. I certify that I have been apprised of the requirements of the position for MCICOM Professional Services Support and am committing exclusively. I confirm that I meet or exceed the requisite skills, qualifications and experience necessary for this role. I also authorize this Letter of Intent to be included in the proposal response in the proposal response.```

[safe coral]

here

committing exclusively

[harsh river]

exactly.

committing exclusively.

[summer roost]

no

[safe coral]

well I might as well stop applying for jobs then?

wait so I am okay? @summer roost

[harsh river]

it doesn;t make you unhireable, it just means you've commited to them for now.

[safe coral]

okay gotcha 😄

[summer roost]

yes, you're OK, no, you haven't actually committed to anything (and the fact that they're trying to make you think you have also feels scammy)

[safe coral]

Im sure they are not a scam company. Ive seen tons of posts on their Linkedin page

[summer roost]

This isn't something that would be enforceable as a contract (there's no consideration)

[harsh river]

'

[summer roost]

it's also not something that's enforceable as a non-compete agreement

[safe coral]

okay thats what I wanted to know

[summer roost]

it seems very much like they're trying to trick you, which is a weird thing for a company that wants you to work for them to do

[safe coral]

They didnt say anything about me appyling to other jobs

[harsh river]

<@&831776746206265384> ...

[safe coral]

they just wanted to me to sign that so they would know Im interested in the position

cuz HR contacts me once a month and asks if Im looking for other jobs or not

I just didnt know if LOI made me unhirable thats it 😄

[summer roost]

And if I'm right that it is a scam, I bet that it works by stringing you along until you finally tell them that you are looking for other jobs, and then telling you that you've broken your contract with them and they'll sue you unless you pay them $1000 for the inconvenience, or something like that

[safe coral]

nah lol

[summer roost]

in any event, the answer is no, you're not unhirable, you can't enter a contract with someone where they give you no money and in exchange you're not allowed to work for someone else

[safe coral]

They already know I am working at my current position

Ive seen scammy jobs tho on LinkedIn

its easy to detect them (they spoof company emails a lot)

I always check the company emails to see if they actually belong to the company

https://www.reedcharters.com/projects they seem legit to me lol

[summer roost]

in any event, the best advice is that, if you're ever unsure what you are and are not legally allowed to do with respect to a contract that you have entered or are thinking about entering, you should talk to a lawyer

[safe coral]

okay 😄 Ive never done a contract job before

[summer roost]

all the more reason to check with a lawyer if something seems hinky to you

[safe coral]

my friend does contract jobs I should ask him too

[fast fossil]

Is your friend a contract lawyer?

[harsh river]

just post the anonymized CV

[gusty night]

How bad is this preferences arrangement

[white relic]

Help me understand what I'm looking at. What is this ranking used for?

[gusty night]

Uni preferences

[white relic]

Is this a system where your preference is considered in whether you get accepted or not?
That's not how it works in the US.

[gusty night]

it's a scholarship

you choose what you're interested in and you get the chance of getting accepted into one

[white relic]

ah

[white relic]

without having any information about how the scholarship is distributed, I'm not sure I can comment on whether the arrangement is good or bad.
I'll ask a question, though - your options 1 and 2 seem kind of at odds with the rest. It's totally normal and fine to have a variety of interests and spread a wide net, I'm just wondering if you have considered any other related disciplines, or if there's a specific reason for maritime transportation and automotive engineering.

[gusty night]

My main goal was Marine Operations Engingeering but it required a certain exam that I dont have right now so I chose that instead since I did a little research and they're close enough

for the automotive part, I'm not sure why I added it I just did lol

I'm more into computer engineering because I'm interested in coding and general and mostly cybersecurity

[white relic]

ah ok
I might expect the automotive one to be lower on the list then

[gusty night]

so for that I chose AI, Software and Computer engineering

[gusty night]

Sounds good, I'll do that

[white relic]

I mean, its your preference list, I'm not trying to say you're wrong, just to understand it a little better

I used to be interested in nuclear engineering but that didn't work out for me

[gusty night]

Yep, I totally get it, and what you said makes sense

[gusty night]

Yeah that requires multiple exams that I dont have too but I'm not interested in it anws so its kinda fine for me

[sly minnow]

right now I’m 16 and am looking into several career branches for my future, notably in finance or tech. At what age did you guys start to learn coding. Languages like python and etc?

[white relic]

I did computer engineering. There's a lot of flexibility to that, if you wanted to try to get into automotive field, or adjacent stuff like marine electronics, radar, avionics, etc. it could even be better than CS. Worth thinking about, maybe.

AI and DS are also big right now, obviously.

[fringe sphinx]

That's a fine age to start learning, if you're interested. Programming is a skill that takes time to get good at, so a little learning over a long time is better than trying to grind it out.

[gusty night]

Noted, I'll do a research about each and figure it out, thank you

[white relic]

2-column resumes are fairly divisive. I don't love this one, doesn't make very good use of space, but with your level of experience maybe it doesn't matter much.
I don't believe in paragraphs. Instead of having prose descriptions of what you did, try to bulletize it and emphasize more what skills you practiced, specific features you added, what the most salient technologies you used, etc. Put the most important words first.

Resume advice can vary by location; it may help to share your country / where you are looking for jobs.

[deft herald]

2-column resumes are fairly divisive
Yes opinions on this are very split

[zinc ridge]

Soooo, talking about career I'm lost RN, what are you guys doing

[next plover]

\twocolumn resume 🔥

[fringe sphinx]

There's also a wide range of what people mean by "two column". The german style, from what i can see, either uses personal info in the margin or categories. This is different than the two columns where someone jams a lot of information into both columns.

(in other words: there's "good" two columns and "bad" two columns)

[deft herald]

My right column's like a third of the width, and it just has a list of skills and frameworks or whatever.

Then again i haven't used my resume in like 7 years. Might be time for a redesign

[burnt glade]

Hey

[deft herald]

🧑‍🌾 hay

[fleet vortex]

Can anybody roast or review my resume? I'm not getting any remote jobs, even though I have around 2 years of remote job experience.

[white relic]

You may feel free to post it here, with personal information redacted

[waxen swallow]

Does anyone have a c++ server?

??

[fringe sphinx]

This is career channel on a Python server

[safe coral]

Those are Turkish colleges

The college list someone posted.

[safe coral]

This one… I feel like Dokuz Eylül University is a great option

[stable stump]

Search for together c/c++

[buoyant seal]

https://github.com/mhxion/awesome-discord-communities?tab=readme-ov-file#c-and-c
Section C and C++

[fleet iris]

for what ask here

check rules i dont think they allow it here and why don't u consider upwork

so you are not actually hiring? just looking for developers who wish to contribute?

[white relic]

Yes, thanks.

Discord isn't really suited to that kind of announcement, anyway

[worthy badge]

donei deleted them

[white relic]

I'm an electronics researcher but I use Python in my job

[worthy badge]

may I ask where are you from?

[white relic]

I live in Florida

[worthy badge]

Oh, okay

[visual flax]

How long as a programmer did it take to get good at dsa?

How often should I spend a day if I wanna get good at it in a year?

[near ocean]

For what purpose are you trying to get better at DSA?

[peak halo]

it's not important to get "good at dsa". dsa (or at least the algorithm part) is mostly about coming up with efficient solutions to combinatorial optimization problems, but the overwhelming majority of things you'd be asked to code in real life are not those.

[radiant timber]

is ML and DL field worth it right now? or should i study AI in general right now?

[peak halo]

ML/DL is a subset of AI, and it's the only subset that is currently relevant.
it's also the most degree-requiring field within CS, so if you want to get into it, you should be open to getting a masters.

[visual flax]

I wanna be a good programmer I guess. Get a job in robotics

[peak halo]

then focus on robotics, not DSA

[visual flax]

Robotics require programming skill

[peak halo]

yes, but DSA isn't the be-all-end-all of programming.

[visual flax]

So I should be learning libraries then.

[peak halo]

the important thing is that you learn sensible ways to decompose a problem.

[radiant timber]

will it be relevant for maybe like 5 years later?

[visual flax]

Don't I need dsa for that?

[peak halo]

No one has a crystal ball, but I'm pretty sure ML is going to be around for a while.

we're at a high point in a hype cycle, though.

[peak halo]

you might get asked DSA questions in an interview because all CS students take a DSA course. not because it's important.

[visual flax]

I'm an eletrical engineer. But I want to go Into robotics

[radiant timber]

i think ML will be really in need later in the future as people are focusing on genAI right now

though its just my opinion

[vapid jay]

guys can ai replace coding ? i wanna give time to it but im afraid its gonna go in vain

[visual flax]

No, we will have coders for quite a bit. Pay will go down though because cs is so popular now

[vapid jay]

oh alright

[radiant timber]

no, at least not entirely

[peak halo]

generative AI depends on ML.

[radiant timber]

aren't they different? genAI generates the most accurate information while ML collects data

[peak halo]

Delete that sentence from your brain permanently.

[radiant timber]

oh yeah im fkin trippin genAI gave accurate info because ML collects data

[near ocean]

I dont think thats how anything works

[peak halo]

No.
Generative AI is just when you have a model that generates content, like text or images. the concept of truthfulness doesn't necessarily even apply.
ML doesn't "collect" data. it's when a model is trained on the kind of data that will be available to it when you actually use it. the model doesn't necessarily save the data, and definitely isn't involved in collecting it.

[radiant timber]

i think you have deleted my brain temporarily

[little sphinx]

Hey, I'm thinking of learning C++ after joining college and diving into DSA problems from there. Since I already know Python, I was thinking of using it to build projects and work on AI/ML in parallel.

Anyone else here made a similar transition or have thoughts on this approach?

[fringe sphinx]

I like this answer: https://youtube.com/shorts/qfxzL17JmOQ?feature=shared

[vapid jay]

Alright

[fringe sphinx]

Part of the point being: even if we have better tools to help with writing code, we still need to make higher level decisions

[gentle zinc]

Morning y'all! i start school in my software engineering degree soon and i just wanted to know hows does this degree help me dive into a career moving forward. Thank you in advance y'all.

[errant thicket]

hey is there anyway I could get any jobs in tech without a degree? such as help desk or something any idea?

[olive knoll]

Can anyone suggest some Data Analyst projects for resum?!?

[fleet iris]

any of u work on fivver upwork or any freelancing platforms

[fleet iris]

macdonalds

[errant thicket]

bro get away with that troll stuff

[fleet iris]

ok mb but no one going to give job without u providing them value.. theres no idea to get jobs like help desk

[errant thicket]

bro you don’t know what your talking about i bet there is some way to get in tech without a degree if you don’t know i dont need your reply simple as that

[fleet iris]

ok good luck finding a help desk like job

[swift valve]

Having a degree will just make finding the job faster in my opinion

[errant thicket]

mate that’s not my question i know that

hey is there anyway I could get any jobs in tech without a degree? such as help desk or something any idea? and i know you should get a degree but is there anyway without like the most simple tech job?

[swift valve]

There are websites like these who help others and u can apply there

No idea of their requirements though

[fringe sphinx]

There are many jobs in tech besides programming. QA, Testing, Operations, Support, Help Desk, etc. Find companies that are near you and look at -all- of their jobs

[errant thicket]

yea so which one could i get without a degree?

[fringe sphinx]

You won't know until you read and apply.

Many of those fields can be entered without a degree, if a company is hiring for entry level

You've got to put the time in: research companies near you, read all of their jobs, see if you know anyone who knows anyone who works there, apply to ones you're interested in, etc

[errant thicket]

i see ok do you think it’s worth it? if i wanna get in tech?

[fringe sphinx]

As opposed to what? Doing nothing?

[errant thicket]

yea i am doing nothing now

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, doing something is better than doing nothing 🙂

[errant thicket]

true ok well i hope i get something

[near ocean]

Why can't you go the normal way?

[acoustic grotto]

hello

[harsh river]

i think they've said that they're scared to of the debt

[steep sorrel]

Hey any ideas on where can i find potential cofounders ?

[white relic]

If you know what you need a cofounder for and why, you're probably in a better position to answer that than any of us

[spark hinge]

hey there, I want to get into Gen AI domain, from where do I start ? Is anyone has relevant experience, advice me.

[near ocean]

Usually when you ask for advice, if you want any sort of helpful feedback you give a short summary of your background and experience

[peak halo]

you should get a degree (probably a masters) that involves research in that domain.

[spark hinge]

I am a graduate student, and have 2 years of software developer experience but want to switch now.

[peak halo]

you're currently a graduate student? do you have enough time left to make all your coursework about AI?

[spark hinge]

yeah, as I have just started it's my first term. I have like a year.

[peak halo]

you should talk to your advisor and tell them that you want to go all-in on generative AI.

[spark hinge]

appreciate.

[wicked sandal]

Hi guys, please where can I find content writing job

@worthy badge hi can you please answer your dm

[worthy badge]

sure man

[gleaming herald]

anyone got any tips im 13 years old and just started

[pine sleet]

build things and explore what’s out there

[gleaming herald]

how do i start

[pine sleet]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[gleaming herald]

what is the best guides out there

[fringe sphinx]

Pick a nice tutorial. There is no best one, just whichever one you enjoy, some ppl watch Yt, others read books, others course, and others just mess around and figure it out piece by piece

[fringe sphinx]

Then, experiment by writing simple things. Ask for suggestions in #python-discussion

[gleaming herald]

ok thx

what guide did you use

[fringe sphinx]

Ask over in #python-discussion , I'm old.

[gleaming herald]

how old are you?

[fringe sphinx]

My kids are in Uni

[harsh river]

i'm a few years young

[gleaming herald]

where are you from?

[fringe sphinx]

US

[gleaming herald]

okay im from sweden

[hard river]

///

[near ocean]

if youre not sure its against the rules then maybe give them a read and find out?
you had to agree to them to join the server

[hard river]

My bad. I saw now that i can't offer a paid work.

[wind cedar]

is probability theory part of discrete math?

[peak halo]

Yes

[wind cedar]

so if i have discrete math on my resume, theres no need to mention probability theory right?

having discrete math alone is fine without mentioning probability theory within the coursework on my resume since discrete math encompasses probability theory within it right?

[peak halo]

If you took the discrete math course that's required for your degree, they'll know that includes probability theory

They'll also know that you have to take that course. What's the point of listing it?

[hollow kestrel]

do you guys have a cs college degree or are in process of getting a degree? also at which college?

[peak halo]

most of us who work in industry have degrees; is there a reason you need to know where we got them?

[hollow kestrel]

just curious on how good the colleges are that most people get their degrees and if it really makes a difference on the college you go to

[peak halo]

"prestige" isn't very important for CS degrees. how you spend your time while you're getting the degree is much more important.

[hollow kestrel]

i guess so but there has to be some level to it. like people who went to MIT will have an easier time getting a job vs someone who went to community college no matter if the person spend double the time on cs

[peak halo]

community colleges by definition do not issue bachelors degrees, which is what you need.

[hollow kestrel]

bruh ok then some low ranked no name school with 500 people enrolled

[peak halo]

what matters is that the university is accredited. "degrees" from unaccredited institutions have no value.

[hollow kestrel]

well anyways what college did you go to

[peak halo]

VCU

[hollow kestrel]

oh im also in VA

im tyrna go to GMU or VT

[peak halo]

I started grad school at GMU and had such a profoundly horrible experience that I dropped out. I thought about taking them to court to get my money back.

[hollow kestrel]

damn maybe i wont go there then 💀

[peak halo]

don't fuck with their CS department; they don't give a shit about you.

[hollow kestrel]

alr thanks

[peak halo]

VT is probably fine if you're okay with living in the middle of nowhere.

[hollow kestrel]

yeah idrc about that. i just gotta get in

[sand patio]

I'm applying this year too 😭

tech is in the middle of nowhere, but they have a nice campus, and you'll probably have fun there

lots of school spirit

[hollow kestrel]

yeah i visited

[sand patio]

GMU is kind of dead in that regard, since it's a commuter school

tech also has some of the best campus dining in the country 👀

[peak halo]

||and they know it's shit||

[fringe sphinx]

What difference does it make to you? Sure, go to the best school you have the opportunity and means to go to. But most people don't go to 'top schools' and they have fine careers regardless.

[fringe sphinx]

One of my best hires was from a no name school in a small state. He described the CS curriculum as 'terrible. Yet he was excellent and had a great career.

[summer plover]

Community college is just a bridge to university, where you obtain the degree

[summer plover]

Bunch of people with a 4.0 in a great school and can't get a job because their resume sucks 🤷‍♂️ I'm pretty sure employers mostly care about your personal projects and skills.

[summer plover]

I'm taking discrete maths rn still haven't seen that

[summer roost]

employers want to select the candidate who's most likely to succeed at the job. Someone having good projects on their github makes them appear more likely to succeed. Someone having a computer science degree makes them appear more likely to succeed. Someone having both appears more likely to succeed than someone having only one or the other

[summer plover]

Agreed but I'm saying considering both have the degree, it's mostly gonna be about the rest of the resume

[mortal wedge]

Do you guys ever find yourself in a situation where an incompetent coworker is impacting your work and the company at large, but they're favored for some reason so you're asked to keep your mouth shut or even lie/mislead other people at the company as to project results? Or that negative feedback of any kind needs to be kept to yourself, even if liability could be at play?

If so, is this like... a normal thing in every workplace?

Or are there workplaces where you're encouraged to speak up and address issues?

[regal axle]

It isn't normal. But isn't uncommon either. The best thing you can do, is create a clear paper trail that expresses your concerns. And/or show that you are not at fault / impacted by others. Especially when there is liability in play. You should make it clear enough that you are safe.
-# And if that isn't possible, and the liability is large enough (and impacting you,) you might have to whistleblow. But it doesn't sound like you are in that type of situation (and to do it legally is complicated) .
But this sounds like a bit of a toxic work environment. And there are an unfortunate amount of those.

Some companies suffer from this more and some less; but politics is, unfortunately, part of some job responsiblities. Sometimes, the answer is to figure out how to work around the limitations and play around the politicts. And for some people, it isn't a big enough deal to really matter. But imo, I hate it.

[buoyant seal]

oh yeah, happened just previous work day.
I had only sort of myself blame in the end. Higher dev/manager at first saw my colleague does indeed dark magic and shit that should not be made (Terragrunt Layers very obscure coding pattern that heavily obfuscates code), and refactored our code into his... stuff with no present task
but then when i offered Pull Request to refactor the bad impact stuff away i got answer at the level of:
"Lets be more friendly and let other devs do shit for fun stuff too. Cause.. you know... u do too with your golang hehe"

it is hard not to agree. We all need to do some stuff for fun from time to time.
May be my soft skills a bit suck. Anyway, i can see his point, and from that point, okay... my colleagues need to do some shit for happiness too even if it is completely bad stuff impacting our work/code base in the most obfuscating way

[buoyant seal]

We sort of need to be more friendly. Heck, i did plenty of my own mistakes in the past.
My boss is certainly a boss because he has both, hard skills and awesome soft skills. He can nurture a person to grow into a professional.
it takes a very good soft skills/good attitude to transform person into competent (eventually). We sort of need to be more forgivable. Sometimes we do all the bad stuff too

[mortal wedge]

This was my last job and I did whistle blow and get "laid off" for it. I'm realizing that my fear of getting into a similar work environment is making it difficult for me to find a new one.

(I know it wasn't a real lay off because they immediately rehired for my position)

[regal axle]

Not sure what country you live in. But thats retaliation and illegal. But yes, this is always the fear and concern.
What I would really do, is bring up your concerns about criticism and being impacted negatively by others, to your manager (if you have not already). Ideally, if they are good at being a manager, they can help resolve the issue or advise you on the situation. But you would know better here on if this would help.

[mortal wedge]

Honestly I tried anything and everything.... Nobody is perfect and making mistakes is perfectly okay! It's hiding them, lying about them, etc that I have a problem with, especially when it affects assessments I'm making or work I'm doing.

[buoyant seal]

anyway.. i prefer to leave judgement to other people in such cases. I don't want to be evil/hurting other people feelings with my intollerance of bad stuff.
I am perfectionist, yes i will dislike all the bad stuff for sure 😅

[near ocean]

It's time
#career-advice message

[buoyant seal]

so you're asked to keep your mouth shut or even lie/mislead other people at the company as to project results?
i need to keep my mouth shut only in the group. because being toxic is bad. hurting other people feelings will impact their work performance badly
On another hand private reviews can be absolutely honest (since they are private anyway)

[regal axle]

Yea, @mortal wedge's situation sounds more intense than what you are describing @buoyant seal. But I roughly agree with what you are saying, I just also think you are trying to make their situation fit into your experiences. And they sound different here.

[mortal wedge]

I work on medical devices. I don't want the morality or honestly personal liability of lying to others in a company or in public about a project

Just scared that they're all going to be like that

I guess the only solution is to hope your boss/company is a decent sort, bring it up to them, and worst case leave the company I guess

[buoyant seal]

i guess, probably those are different situations. Nobody asked me to lie to my higher ups ever.
I just need to be more friendly within the group itself, which is pretty obvious requirement. Which nobody is asked me too, but it was implied i guess hehe

[mortal wedge]

It was my higher up asking me to lie to other higher ups at the company

[regal axle]

Having two companies put you in this situation sucks. And some industries are worse than others about these things. But there are good companies out there. And please don't sell your morals 🙏.
I am taking your word at face value. But I really appreciate what you are doing.

[mortal wedge]

Thank you. I kind of regret blowing the whistle now, but I'm sure after I've gotten back on my feet I won't.

[near ocean]

I hope this bad coworker isnt working on devices i use 😔

[mortal wedge]

If it helps, as long as it isn't related to your brain you have nothing to worry about?

[near ocean]

Not related yet 😩

[regal axle]

@mortal wedge, I work in finance. Finance can be a boys club. Like really really bad. Locker room talk is expected and nasty at times. I hate it.
I say that ,,, but the company I work for also hates it. And we don't associate ourselves with those types of people. So while the industry at large might be full of this boys club; my corner isn't.
I don't know a ton about your industry. But what I am getting at, is that even in industries that have problems, there are always groups of people that are just actually good people and good environments. None of that toxic sludge

[near ocean]

I would jump ship instantly, its not part of the software dev responsibilities to teach people ethics and they sure aint paying you for these lessons anyway

[mortal wedge]

Oh, to be clear, in case I wasn't explaining myself well, it went like this.

1. I had a job
2. Job asked me to do some pretty sus things
3. I refused
4. I was "laid off"

Just a single medical device company involved.

[near ocean]

Ah, well for the future i would pull up linkedin before going to people with concerns

[mortal wedge]

Yeah, I agree 100%, will always do that in the future

I was a naive idiot

[near ocean]

Since you're out of a job now, can you report them to the proper authorities?

[buoyant seal]

my first job had probably more close experience to yours.

• Main dev asked me to do in my work time stuff unrelated to main job, but instead taking care of his previous job stuff (In work time of a main job).
  i followed it for a month or so, before refusing to follow that further. I made a right call for sure. Because working in overtime is always horrible for my mental health and i was not efficient anyway (due to little knowing about his previous work tech stack. Hehe main dev previous work was in golang, and i knew no golang at that time)

Making decisions regarding our moral compass, sure can be hard.
heck i was rewarded for being honest that time. And i continue being honest and just resolve my issues with managers privately.
Some people can be having less choices being honest, if they have no money to support themselves though. Usually software dev jobs are paid well enough to be not caring too much about getting fired though, just a matter of having proper money pillow

[mortal wedge]

I don't know if I have enough to back up that report on hand and they'd 100% know it was me. So I'm not sure it's a good idea anymore. I'm hoping my replacement cares and even if they decide to fire thme and rehire someone else yet again it's gotta start adding up in costs, lol.

[near ocean]

Oh well, cant beat em all

[mortal wedge]

Yeah. The only saving grace I have is that in the end I didn't compromise my morals. Not that morals pay rent, but.... 😄

[near ocean]

Did they fire you with cause? What about severance?

[rugged axle]

what do u guys think of my new resume ```Experience
Full Stack Mobile Developer
React Native, Django, Docker, Git, GitHub, Linux
1 May 2024 – Present

• Discovered session login vulnerability.
• Integrated anti-root detection in a React Native app.
• Developed functionality to remove image metadata and geo-location.
• Created a Slack bot for Django server error notifications using Python.
• Worked on payment API integration with Django.
• Developed a custom graphs library using react-native-svg.
• Built a system to compress images, optimizing requests and reducing storage usage.
• Integrated payment API for seamless transactions.

Mobile Developer Intern
React Native, Git, GitHub
3 Months

• Developed Bluetooth systems for thermal printers.
• Built various inventory management systems.

Note → Click on the hyperlinks to access live projects, PRs, and GitHub repositories.

Open Source Contributions (Ongoing & Merged)
Bluesky [React Native, Golang] → bluesky-ongoing-PRs

• QR Code generation, custom scroll bar, collapsible components, threads, and other adjustments.

UseMemos [React, Golang, Air] → usememos-ongoing-PRs, usememos-merged-PRs

• Fixed issues with Mermaid diagrams themes, disallowed password authentication in SSO, and resolved memo collapse bugs.

Freecodecamp [React, Gatsby, MongoDB] → fcc-ongoing-PRs, fcc-merged-PRs

• Enhanced debugging by ensuring panes saved previously used states for testing different challenges.

Mattermost [React] → emoji-picket-mattermost-PR

• Optimized emoji-saving functionality, narrowing it to custom emojis.

Skills

• Web Development: MERN, Django, REST API, Socket.io, ORM (SQL, MongoDB), Python, Rust, Microservices
• Mobile Development: React Native
• Game Development: Godot, Bevy
• Version Control: Git, GitHub
• DevOps: Docker, CI/CD
• Design: Figma
• Operating Systems: Windows, Linux (Ubuntu, Parrot, Kali)

[neat arrow]

your resume is pretty good, but you should also add your certificate (it it is) and you can also add your Degree(if you have any ). And last but not the least that you can add a brief summary and also can add your interest base projects that you want to work on.

[rugged axle]

I do have a degree yes

[neat arrow]

then it is good option to add it into your resume ..

[rugged axle]

Hey can I add my open source projects as my experience ?

[fringe sphinx]

The ironic thing is that sus things are what gets companies into trouble, yet bad leaders forget this in search of quick fixes. The Vw emissions scandal comes to mind as a classic: developers do what mgmt asks, and shenanigans ensue (eventually)

[fringe sphinx]

Your first job: 'discovered session login vulnerability' is not a good first bullet: there's no task here, like: 'performed security review .... finding ....'

[hybrid sage]

What positions are you aiming for?

[rugged axle]

Full Stack Mobile

[hybrid sage]

id cut out unnecessary information for full stack mobile

like godot and bevy

[rugged axle]

some mobile or web dev jobs want you to write shaders or work with 3D so I kept it

[hybrid sage]

damn really? lol

[rugged axle]

yeah

[hybrid sage]

Is it for games? also that's too much imo

[rugged axle]

let say u wanna sell 3d models assets for games. or u wanna show a product in 3D

[fleet vortex]

This my portfolio: https://www.whoisharsh.space/ ,
my resume https://drive.google.com/file/d/1px9GCYnJotPAP0v7bGuNeaUJRNB_Aair/view

[near ocean]

perhaps a screenshot so people dont have to click on links and use services?

[fleet vortex]

gotcha man

[fringe sphinx]

I read the first few bullets. I'll be blunt: they don't make sense and are very incomplete. "The deployment of 5+ production-level LLM agents, different for each use cases" is both logically and grammatically wrong. The other jobs are much better.

Also, way too much bolding. It's distracting. You don't need to bold everything.

[still condor]

Is wokerd a typo of worked?

[fringe sphinx]

Education: No idea what "upto 7th Sem" means. Does this mean it's not finished? And may 2025 is expected graduation date?

[still condor]

maybe I'm being pedantic, but

Illinois, USA
London, Europe
Greece, Europe
``` something ain't right here

[spiral osprey]

switch out the bold in the paragraphs themselves with this sort of text if you think it's important anyway

[spiral osprey]

lmaoo, well it aint wrong, it could be more right

[fleet vortex]

yeah in India, each year divide into 2 sem. so 4 years = 8 sem . so i have completed till 7 sem.

[fleet vortex]

i need to fix that

[fleet vortex]

can you please point out other points so i can work on that.

[torpid birch]

Was on an interview with a senior at the company, was a really well paying QA job, around 4k per month.
I passed the first phase that was doing a folder synchronizer (https://github.com/joaosousa997/Folder-Synchronizer) and then on the interview i didn't check some of the boxes, for example not having experience in QA.
But wat really made me confuse was the dude be really upset by me saying that name == "main" had a use, dude said it was just a placeholder

I answeared that it lets you run the code but not directly when imported, honsetly idk much about it but i know it's not a placeholder

[analog glade]

Id hire you

[mortal scaffold]

Alr what is Python

Ion even remeber how i joined

[analog glade]

Python is an easy to read, high - level programming that's mainly used for computer science and data management

[mortal scaffold]

Oh smth i dont do

[peak halo]

What does it mean for a programming language to be used "for computer science"?

[mortal scaffold]

Ive been here since july 2024 crazy i dont even remeber why or how i joined

[peak halo]

Your subconscious was trying to tell you something

[analog glade]

like for college

[mortal scaffold]

Trying to tell what

[peak halo]

That's for you to figure out

[analog glade]

Try to remember why you joined here

[mortal scaffold]

I think i wanted to troll or was it cuz i was tryna reach 100 joined servers

[mortal scaffold]

Ye im not a programmer i like it but ion got a computer

[swift valve]

Im trying to learn coding and starting with python but alot suggested i choose a career i wanna do so whats a good option that doesnt require a degree has good salary and can be done from home? And also easy to find a job in that career

[peak halo]

It will be exceptionally hard to find a job that meets all four of your criteria.

Two of your criteria are mutually exclusive (easy to get and pay well)

[wicked sandal]

Where can I find community manager or moderating,or content writing job

[swift valve]

The 2 most important are without degree and from home

[peak halo]

It will still be challenging, but web development is where you're most likely to be successful

[peak halo]

These occupations sound outside the scope of this channel.

[swift valve]

Doesn't it have alot of competition?

[wicked sandal]

Sure

[peak halo]

Yes, because a lot of people want WFH jobs that don't require a degree

[swift valve]

But it still has high demand right

Also what is data analysis?

[peak halo]

you're very unlikely to get a job doing analysis without a degree. analysts advise people on how to make consequential decisions, so the standard for who they grant that level of trust is going to be higher.

[glass osprey]

so apparently the thing that is messing me up with jobs atm is having experience in to many areas rather then specializing in just one

funny how things work

[balmy spade]

How do you know that is messing up your jobs?

[glass osprey]

feedback off a recruiter and feedback i've gotten on resume

mind you most roles been cyber orientated i've been going through lately but because my previous experience wasnt just doing analyst work, recruiter said they wanted someone more specialised

[balmy spade]

Cool that you got feedback. Was it that you just don't have a specialization or that you could structure your resume more to be focused on an existing one?

[glass osprey]

then recommended me trying for analyst/entry level roles

[glass osprey]

i've got it management experience(3years) and freelance experience 12 years, but then did a bachelor in IT and a masters in cyber(midway into masters), feedback was only given when i reached out since he was pretty transparent with it on the phone

[peak halo]

when I was an undergrad, I got an award for academic excellence in the study of religion. and the career advisor told me not to mention that on my resume, because none of the companies I was applying to would care.

you won't get penalized for knowing a lot about topics they don't care if you know about. they just won't care. it sounds like your actual problem is that you're not presenting enough relevant experience.

[balmy spade]

Ah, so this is a specific interview that was looking for something more specialized? That's understandable and still decent feedback (given I rarely got any feedback, myself).

[glass osprey]

but my management experience covered alot of roles as well

[glass osprey]

yeah basically it was for a startup, so they wanted someone who had experience with just security engineering, even thought i'd covered it in my previous role wasnt specialised enough

[glass osprey]

that might be the case, i've had trouble showing relevant experience, since most of it was from what would usually be other roles and i've had to expand my scope of duties to make up for lack of staff or freelance projects/uni

i think at this point i've redone resume about 7 times after having people review it, and between that 7 times applied for 800+ jobs in 7months time

i think i need to go through and workout what to strip off it and what to keep

[peak halo]

I think you're still missing a key nuance: the problem isn't that you have experience outside of security engineering. it's that you didn't have enough experience with security engineering. it would be insane for someone to say "you have enough experience with security engineering for this role, but because you happen to know about <not security engineering>, I'm going to reject you"

[glass osprey]

hmm possibly, my time in an IT management role, was basically a mixture of multiple roles instead but i can see the point your making

but then would i be better off treating it as i lack experience or trying to rely on that experience

as in should be trying for entry level roles in that case or would my experience still be something worth trying to contibute towards other roles

[glass osprey]

would you be happy giving me some feedback on a redacted resume? can dm or post here since redacted

[peak halo]

you don't need permission--if you post your anonymized resume here, you'll probably get feedback from a few people.

I'm signing off soon, though

[glass osprey]

oh i cant send pdf's

[peak halo]

you can post it as a large screenshot

[peak halo]

you want to get it to one page. you can save space by making the left margin smaller and not having blank lines on "other work experience". I would also list "disability support worker" the same way you list "log cutting and processing" (list it only so there isn't a time gap)

I worked as a respite worker for a while--I don't list it at all on resumes for jobs in my field (AI)

In the US, you don't list references on your resume. idk if the convention is different "down under".

the spacing between lines is pretty inconsistent throughout.

I would delete "Implemented complex algorithms ... and efficiency". it's ultimately just a grandiose way of saying "I wrote code", but doesn't give them any of the specifics that they care about.

[glass osprey]

alright ill fix that part up tonight, do you think its worth me applying for the same sorta level of role or is it something i should be going for entry positions instead?, i thought experience would be enough to qualify for atleast a mid role, but a bit unsure if i could get passed the recruitment barrier now

[peak halo]

I don't think I'm the one to answer that question.

[glass osprey]

well appreciate the feedback eitherway, still a big help

[twilit pulsar]

@hot nebula am not yet able to speak on the voice chat its so weird

[hazy trellis]

is python the easiest coing lang to learn?

[sharp wind]

Easy is subjective. Go learn Python for an hour or two. Then do C, C++, Go, Ruby, etc.

I think Python is very easy. I use probably 5 different languages often.

[compact remnant]

Hello guys, how are you doing, I'm new here, guys, I just took cs50 2025 and I'm already in week 1 C, and it's already become complex, hahaha, what do you recommend I do and where are the exercises to do or tasks for each week, my English is not very good, I speak Spanish and I am from Colombia but I want to be a good programmer, so I am making the effort to take the course in English

[buoyant seal]

It is Easy in the beginning, but Hard to master.
It is Easy to write scripts, but Hard to write dozens/hundreds thousands code lines. You can do it, but u will be needing very thorough unit testing for a sane way to do that and investing into monitoring systems like Sentry.
Try python, and see for itself.

Then try languages like Golang/C#/Java and see a difference.

[buoyant seal]

When i was in university... C# was the most productive language to me from a start to write plenty of student(garbage) level code regardless of its complexity 😅
Qualities of static typed language help to write code easier due to a lot of auto validations before runtime
Today this language is Golang for me.

[gritty rivet]

Practice and practice, that's everything. It doesn't matter what you do if it has you coding and thinking and solving problems. If you have more specific questions on things you're stuck on, try #python-discussion or open an help channel with an excercise question and what you've tried so far

[slender knot]

How to become ml engineer

[fringe sphinx]

Learn programming, get degree, keep learning.

[rugged axle]

These are my open source contributions what more can I do ?

[slender knot]

Doing but still dunno the right path

[rugged axle]

including one more rocket.chat but there response time is so slow that I dont count it yet

[rugged axle]

hey billy wdy think what more can I do ?

[fringe sphinx]

There's no 'path' besides: first getting really good at programming, and along the way, choose projects that are related to your interests. Plus get a degree in CS or related field.

[fringe sphinx]

Keep practicing?

[slender knot]

I dont have CS degree sir

[buoyant seal]

To say keep practicing with more words: Find communities you can help, gaming communities or some others. Become part of this community around smth, game or smth else.
Then u will be able to find very worthwile topics to where applying the practice
i wrote some article there on this topic
It is more fun to practice if u develop stuff that is actually useful to someone

[swift valve]

Oh ok ty

[waxen hare]

How should i approch getting an interntship for the summer, iam a second year doing CS AI/ML iam in my 4th sem rn, my gpa for the 3rd sem should be around an 8(Havent gotten the grade sheets yet but iam fairly certain it would be around that). My uni gives us a 2 month break for summer so i figured doing an internship would be a good way to use my time, so I had 2 questons:-

1. Would it be worth it?
2. How do i go about approching for one

[fringe sphinx]

Worth it implies there's a cost. What's the downside?

[fringe sphinx]

And, what country are you in?

[hollow trench]

Hey Guys! how are you doing? I have a question, Which salary is good for our data area like "Data Analyst" and Business Analyst" in USA if we consider Mid-level?

[pine sleet]

depends on your city

[deft herald]

USA is a big place with many different localized economies

not to mention "Mid Level" is quite the broad term. So what, 2-15 years experience?

[hollow trench]

Currently I don't live in USA, because this I ask you :(

the Recruiter told me which the vancancy is in Florida

[pine sleet]

where in Florida

And yeah, how many yoe?

[hollow trench]

Fort-Lauderdale

[fringe sphinx]

And are you authorized to work in the US? Visa and work authorization is not a trivial matter.

[hollow trench]

Company will give me a Visa

But, I think in the first moment will be Remotely

[fringe sphinx]

That's not really how it works: H1-B's, the most common worker visa for tech, are controlled by the government, and are distributed in a lottery system. No company can or should promise that you'll get an H1-B... only that they'd sponsor you for one (which gives you a chance of getting it).

[hollow trench]

Yeah, because this They told me which in the first momento will be remote 🤷‍♂️

But, I'm in interview, I only would like to know about the salary average

the roles is really good

[deft herald]

Did you ask them?

[hollow trench]

not yet

[deft herald]

Start there

[hollow trench]

They ask me into email, what is my expectation?

[white relic]

There's several things to consider. There's not really a shortage of data analyst skills in the US, so that they'd be willing to sponsor an H-1B for it suggests that either you have unique skills that they really want and are hard to find elsewhere, or the company isn't able to attract local talent.

You would be best able to decide which category your situation falls into

If it's a tech company in Fort Lauderdale, well, it could easily be the latter. Florida isn't exactly a tech hub.

[peak halo]

Does the EU have similar policies wrt citizens of non-EU countries?

[hollow trench]

I see

[white relic]

Either way, you should be pretty careful about this. There are a lot of scammers that prey on people who are looking for an easy way into the US and if they're offering something that sounds really good, you definitely need to do your research and don't send them any money

All the h1bs that I've been involved in hiring have been here already, most usually on a student visa, not hired remotely first, so that raises an eyebrow for me

[hollow trench]

Yes, maybe they'd like me to work remotely and they talked about the visa to win me over

[white relic]

But I don't hire business analysts.

[white relic]

That's also a possibility, yeah

[rugged axle]

Can I make money with open source ? I am talking about 400$ to 500$ a month

[hollow trench]

I agree, and this community is good because information is very scarce

[spice cradle]

is there a data analyst here? i’m currently doing a python course and the web-scrapping portion intrigues me. just wondering if you guys use those tools and what you really do

[harsh river]

it's definitely possible, but it takes a while to get there.

[hollow trench]

I'm BI analyst

[rugged axle]

How many merged PRs we talking about ?

[harsh river]

uh, you can get 1000 PRs merging typos, the number of PRs dont matter, it's the content you're merging in.

[spice cradle]

sounds cool, what do you do for work? do you retrieve data from the web or is it given to you? how do you “analyze” the data? what factors are you looking for? I’m honestly intrigued

[rugged axle]

u wanna take a look at my content ? No typos
#career-advice message

[fringe sphinx]

How high is up?

[rugged axle]

meanin ?

[deft herald]

You can't answer that can you

[rugged axle]

I am just an ordinary person trying to help communities and make a small living with it thats all.

[digital fjord]

The usual way open source monetization works is that you are a maintainer of some library that then receives donations. Or you make a commercial version of that library (giving perks like support, priority in tickets, etc).

[hollow trench]

Currently I make dashboards and reports about process data, doing too statistcs analyses for preview the next month and next step of process, and to know how will be my demand

[hollow trench]

Of course, its not my all roles, but in general is this

[rugged axle]

What bout github sponsors ?

[digital fjord]

That's the donation angle, the exact means through which you receive donations can vary.

[rugged axle]

Anything more solid ?

[harsh river]

a job

[digital fjord]

A classic move is selling a book/consulting on the topic of your library.

[rugged axle]

Who would want consulting from a punk like me ?

[digital fjord]

If you become the author of a key library that underpins a key process within a company, it can work

but generally, I would recommend doing open source in your free time and sticking to commercial software as a source of income. Open source monetization has always been dire.

[rugged axle]

Can I not do something with what I am already doing ? #career-advice message
I tried real hard building an audience on bluesky but I dont think people like my content or opensource

[spice cradle]

you make dashboards? does that mean you also handle ui/ux? can i add you by any chance, im interested in what you do

[hollow trench]

Sure! send me a message,

[rugged axle]

I have worked with react does this mean I can do consulting with it ?

[deft herald]

Not the place, !space

[peak halo]

!cleanban 1283528402418139260 Clearly you're only here to solicit work.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @solar shell permanently.

[pine ginkgo]

crazy

[pine sleet]

clever

[whole magnet]

I’m currently 15 and is from the uk and plan to be a software developer in the future, is there any tips and people with experience who can share some pros and cons about the job? :)

[fringe sphinx]

The future is now. Learn a little every week and you'll have a solid foundation.

[fringe sphinx]

And, get a Uni degree in CS or a related field.

[whole magnet]

alright :) I will!

[whole magnet]

ok! thank you 😃

[wicked sandal]

Which kind job

[deft herald]

What are you asking? What kind of job can you make money from?

[wicked sandal]

Hey man, I'm a professional community manager, moderator,and also content creator if you need any of my service you can contact me

[wicked sandal]

@harsh river is him that is asking

[deft herald]

I don't think KRRT was the one asking

[wicked sandal]

@deft herald do you have any job bro

[deft herald]

yeh bro

[wicked sandal]

Ok,which one

[deft herald]

On my profile

[wicked sandal]

Qualcomm right

[deft herald]

That is what it says, lol

[wicked sandal]

That's good bro

[pine trench]

yo

[deft herald]

Thanks for the approval 👍

[pine trench]

im making a ict project and need some ideas for my upcoming exhibition

[wicked sandal]

Do you have any job or project I can work with

[next plover]

i certcli (the spiritual leader of pydis) also approve of your job you can continue with it

[deft herald]

Nope. Also, please read the rules as this is not a job board

[wicked sandal]

Oh,year

[deft herald]

Lol thanks friend. How'd you get the title "spiritual leader" by the way?

[next plover]

oh yeah so

they gave to to me its whatever though

[wicked sandal]

What is the meaning of that"spiritual leader

[deft herald]

You need a custom role i think

[next plover]

well ok so its actually "compTIA security+ certified cybersecurity expert and analyst + spiritual leader of pydis"

i try to stay humble

[deft herald]

can i call you Rabbi?

[next plover]

uh sure

[fringe sphinx]

You need a full page for your certifications

[deft herald]

It's almost like people don't read the rules or even the most recent conversation of a channel

[pine sleet]

hello, your message was deleted since we do not allow advertising in this server

[next plover]

you must be new here

[sly ibex]

After you got your CS degree and graduated from university, how long did it took you guys to get a job?

[wicked sandal]

Please can you tell me the platform to see open source work

[deft herald]

I could answer you, but i don't think my answer would be of any help to be honest

[sly ibex]

Whether it helps or not, im just asking.

[deft herald]

Mostly because i graduated cough14cough wheeze years ago

[sly ibex]

So since you are a graduate, how long did it took you to get a job, in the field?

[deft herald]

Well, i kindasorta had a job that was semi relevant already. But it was about a year after I graduated when i finally got the job that i would consider to be the beginning of my career

[sly ibex]

ok thanks.

[deft herald]

That was by choice that i didn't even start looking for about 10 months

[sly ibex]

You took a break?

[deft herald]

But like i said, that was a while ago. The industry has changed a whole lot since then

[deft herald]

No. I already had a job that was decent and still kind of relevant

[sly ibex]

Yes, indusry changes every day if im honest with you.

[deft herald]

thanks for the honsety

[sly ibex]

oh ok i understand.

[fast fossil]

and where is your "Humble Edition" tag?

[fleet reef]

My request was denied
Too much pride they said

[near ocean]

about 9 months

it was at the height of the pandemic though, im not sure its representative today

[sly ibex]

Well, the industry has changed since the pandemic.

[true harness]

my friends all have jobs lined up before graduation. so...-6 months?

[deft herald]

Wow that's great. None for PSVM though?

[sly ibex]

What is the difference between work experience and a degree?

[sly ibex]

ok

[near ocean]

theyre not comparable things

[deft herald]

eh. I would say a Master's could compare pretty close to a bachelor's + 2-3 years experience

at least in some regards, such as HR's criteria for determining pay scale, for one

[near ocean]

definitely not in ability lol

[deft herald]

Also depends on the actual master's degree and the actual years of experience

[fringe sphinx]

wdym anyway?

[deft herald]

but yeah. I have 13 YOE and wish i had a Master's

[fringe sphinx]

Funny, I have a masters and thought it made zero difference

Altho, I wish I finished my PhD. I might yet still tho

[sly ibex]

What I mean is that, degree requires you to go university. However work experience requires you to go to a work environment.

[near ocean]

ok but what about it

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, degree is generally about learning about a lot of topics and developing critical thinking skills and building a strong foundation.

[near ocean]

are you trying to substitute one with the other?

[deft herald]

Another key difference: a degree costs a billion dollars. Work experience pays you

[sly ibex]

Thats why not many pursue a degree, due to cost of uni

[deft herald]

but, many employers will sponsor post-graduate degrees

[sly ibex]

Ok

[fringe sphinx]

Many do pursue a degree, and many employers require it for entry positions.

[whole magnet]

Is starting to learn python at 15 too late?

[fringe sphinx]

Too late for what?

[peak halo]

No? Why would it every be too late?

[fringe sphinx]

I can't think of a non snarky answer, how could you even think ponder this?

[whole magnet]

For being software engineer

[fringe sphinx]

Short answer: No. The roadmap is: go to Uni, get a CS or related degree. Learn whatever you want between now and then, including programming if you want.

[fringe sphinx]

And if you want to start learning programming, ask for resource suggestions and project ideas. #python-discussion has many people of all ages and skill levels

[deft herald]

The best time to start learning <insert new skill here> is yesterday. Second-best time to start is today

[near ocean]

I dont believe this is true anywhere for software engineers

[sly ibex]

Well thats your POV bud.

[near ocean]

Sure, good thing we have data for these kinds of topics

[pine sleet]

the majority of software engineers have a cs degree

but the majority of people don't have a degree.. so it depends on what you mean

[deft herald]

Yeah i mean, i've never come across a SWE position that didnt require a degree

[pine sleet]

its a fair question tbh, you're a what, freshman in high school?

to clarify i'm not saying they're stupid, but it can be tough when you compare yourself to your classmates who've already been doing it for years

and when you don't have the context for what is normal in the industry and what's not

[fringe sphinx]

Does social media push this idea that 'you're late' no matter what?

[pine sleet]

yeah, that too

[coarse estuary]

yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[near ocean]

Youre supposed to come out your mother ready

Tiny little arch pc on hand

Penguin stickers on the lid (not the linux kind)

[coarse estuary]

bro whaaaat

[near ocean]

This channel should host a poll on degree debt and repayment
I'd love to see how CS grads/software engineers are supposedly struggling to repay their student debt (especially in the US)

[coarse estuary]

Linux arch is used for very budget laptops

[pine sleet]

its not, but thats off topic for this channel

[next plover]

It's the ones who can't find junior level jobs who can't pay it back

[coarse estuary]

Yes it is, most people use Linux cuz Windows has sucked their laptops such as me but some people use it for other stuff

[next plover]

Wrong channel

[pine sleet]

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

[near ocean]

What can anyone say to that though? Try harder? Skill issue? A degree isnt a guarantee

[next plover]

Well I wasn't arguing just making a point

[fringe sphinx]

Are there stats to support idea that many aren't finding jobs?

[next plover]

The pay isn't hard, getting hired is especially when everyone wants a junior position and nobody wants to hire that

[vapid jay]

i hate those cert-awarding courses that tell you to pay right after finishing

[near ocean]

I dont think so

[next plover]

Yeah im not sure how saturated the market is rn tbh

Not really my field either

[pine sleet]

the only ones i've seen are job postings on linkedin are down and i guess you could extrapolate that people are having a harder time from that

[safe coral]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/13/business/young-workers-job-market/index.html

[near ocean]

Actually, you could go uni by uni and see their stats on hiring x months after graduation

It's one of their selling points and one of the two main figures they showcase

[safe coral]

Jobs are too hard to find in the US at the moment. Software engineers can’t find jobs even with experience

[next plover]

Good thing cyber is in 😎

[safe coral]

My cousin just moved from Turkey to Czech Republic. They need a lot of work force there she said. She wants me to go there. She works in a pharmaceutical company

[true harness]

do you have any non-paywalled sources

[safe coral]

Is it paywalled?

[vapid jay]

go to iran

[fringe sphinx]

My point is there's lots of anecdotes on both sides. I've yet to see real data.

The Cs grads I know all landed jobs. But, just anecdotes

[safe coral]

I mean me applying over 600 jobs and getting 3 call backs is a sign that there’s something going on.

[next plover]

It's almost like the market is dependent on where you live and what local businesses need

[vapid jay]

"Behind the overlay" is an ext that exists btw, use it

[true harness]

it is not

[fringe sphinx]

You're not applying to SWE positions.

[safe coral]

I did apply to entry level ones

[next plover]

You have a masters right?

[safe coral]

Yup. I do. The problem is entry level jobs are dead 💀. My friend recommended to this entry level job in a cybersecurity firm. They rejected my resume cuz I don’t have experience

[pine sleet]

in this case one person sample size is not really representative of the population

[next plover]

I think people don't want to hire masters since they worry they'll try to move to a different position as soon as possible

[fringe sphinx]

Again, anecdotes not data. I haven't seen any data other than number of job postings, which is also not very clear

[true harness]

there are a number of factors that might influence a particular person's success or lack of success. you can't use it to make generalizations about the market as a whole

i've seen this https://www.wsj.com/lifestyle/careers/job-hunting-2025-hiring-5924a1d7

A lot of companies that waited to post job openings are now ready to move forward, she says. In a LinkedIn survey of nearly 2,000 C-suite executives last month, 77% said they are planning for steady or high-growth hiring in 2025, while 4% said they plan to slow hiring or cut jobs.

[safe coral]

So something happened after Covid. For example people graduated before Covid in my department had 85 percent job getting rate. Now it’s at 25 percent

Half of the people in my graduating class are still without jobs even after a year and half

[pine sleet]

doesn't seem like a great sign for the program

[safe coral]

It’s not the program tho. Job openings are the problem.

https://www.geekwire.com/2024/tech-job-market-remains-in-flux-as-layoffs-continue-and-experienced-workers-struggle-to-get-hired/

The program is actually really good. @pine sleet I got a lot of job offers on my second year of college which was right before Covid but since I wasn’t graduating I couldn’t take them. Now I’m in limbo with rest of my friends lol

[next plover]

Tldr the market is mid and some places are better than others

[safe coral]

https://www.businessinsider.com/tech-degrees-job-berkeley-professor-ai-ubi-2024-10

My professors said the same thing. There’s a shift going on

[fringe sphinx]

None of this data is particularly useful. The previous post was more about the banking crisis freezing startups in 2023. And there's anecdotes on both sides. My anecdotes show people getting interviews and jobs. Yes, market is tighter. Your mileage may vary.

The main thing is; companies are being more selective on who they hire. Yes, big tech isn't hiring everyone with a heart beat.

[safe coral]

Well how can they be selective at an entry level job?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm very selective on my entry candidates. I might hire 1 of 10 candidates.

[safe coral]

Entry level jobs require no previous experience. They look for experienced people in entry level jobs?

[true harness]

experience isn't the only way to compare candidates. you might look into things like what projects they have done, or what research they've done

[fringe sphinx]

And personality/culture fit.

[true harness]

that seems quite high

[safe coral]

Culture fit?

[fringe sphinx]

Third party recruiter is actually pretty good at their job

[safe coral]

How can you tell if they are culturally fit by looking at a resume?

[radiant vortex]

Well I'd assume by looking at any socials they've linked on the resume

And what sort of projects/activities they've done

[safe coral]

That doesn’t make any sense. You need to interview them to know about that

[deft herald]

Some people may put volunteer work/community involvement on their resume as well. Or OSS contributions, etc

[fringe sphinx]

I look for: education, location, experience (including internship), quality of resume (can't help it, if it's bad, I assume bad), work authorization, relevant skills or breadth of skills, all before even interviewing.

[true harness]

what's wrong with interviewing them?

[deft herald]

But yeah, you don't get the full picture on culture fit without an interview

[safe coral]

Nothing I am saying without interviewing it would be weird to decide that @true harness

[fringe sphinx]

Interview was assumed.

[safe coral]

Yeah the problem is some of us can’t even get an interview hahahaha

[fringe sphinx]

But, there's multiple steps. If thru recruiter, you first gotta pass his smell test.

[deft herald]

Once i put this under skills

• will reliably refill coffee receptacles once current supply has been depleted

and actually got a lot of positive comments on it, haha

[safe coral]

Like me with over 600 applications i got 3 interviews

[deft herald]

oof

[radiant vortex]

When you apply for these, how much time do you spend fine tuning your CV and answers to the job description?

[fringe sphinx]

That's funny. I like it

[safe coral]

I apply same type of jobs

[fringe sphinx]

There's humility in it.

[safe coral]

Data Analytics @radiant vortex I don’t change my resume at all

[deft herald]

One guy even sent me a full fledged SOP document they had drawn up for this exact procedure

[safe coral]

Plus I don’t have a lot of experience… So there’s not much to change

I have been doing one job for the last 5 years and that’s it

[white relic]

Based on what you've said before, you're not a coder, and you lack basic skills and knowledge that most people with a bscs would have, so I don't think your inability to get an entry level SWE position is particularly informative there.
This is far from the first time someone has pointed this out to you.

Getting passed up for data science positions that are more targeted towards your experience? Maybe that's a different question.

[safe coral]

Yeah Im mostly talking about DS AI ML jobs @white relic

Especially ML and AI Engineering jobs

I applied to couple SWE jobs just to see

[true harness]

why not try to change it up. you can't really do worse than you're already doing

[safe coral]

Like embellish my resume?

[wind cedar]

Man this career stuff is super exhausting

[true harness]

well, embellish implies adding things that aren't true, so don't do that

[pine sleet]

have you implemented all the suggestions you got from your last resume review?

[safe coral]

Yeah! And it looks great now to be honest

[pine sleet]

according to who?

[white relic]

I'm just a little weary of the constant "tech job market is cooked" fearmongering tbh

[safe coral]

I asked several people. They said it looks fine!

Like there’s not much you can change on it anymore. I even asked the college career services

[pine sleet]

it is a little bit cooked but ime a lot of people just use it as a scapegoat and not improve themselves
i.e "i'm not getting a job becuase the market is bad" instead of figuring out how to get better

[safe coral]

How can you get better? When you are entry level

[sand patio]

are you just applying to entry level SWE jobs?

[safe coral]

To get better you can do masters like me

No I don’t apply to them that much. Once or twice. I’m applying to DS ML and AI jobs

[sand patio]

I see

[slow jetty]

HI i got a question

[pine sleet]

go for it

[pine sleet]

make more projects that are more ambitious than what you did in the past or during school. also network

[slow jetty]

Its sorta a coding question related to python turtle so is it alr if you culd send me a quick dm??

[pine sleet]

ask what specifically you need help with in #python-discussion or #1035199133436354600

[safe coral]

The problem is I don’t have time to do projects. I’m already working and doing masters. There’s no free time for me

[pine sleet]

don't know what to tell you there

[acoustic elm]

what's your masters about?

[safe coral]

My masters is taking a lot of my time. I did a project every semester with my masters

[pine sleet]

also isn't this like your third master's

[safe coral]

No I have two bachelors and this is my first masters

[slow jetty]

alright

[safe coral]

But yeah. I already have projects I have done

[pine sleet]

well it's not just about doing projects and checking them off

like if you just have 10 different projects you spent a month on and aren't really that good, i'd question their value

[slow jetty]

Do people do projects that arent related to school or work for experiance or for like the fun?

[pine sleet]

you can do whatever but if you have a project that's not related to your career you probably wouldn't put it on your resume

[slow jetty]

oh cuz i hear my friends would say stuff like "ill work on my project later" and their compsci class is not until next sem

[safe coral]

lol I have a project every semester and they are hard projects @slow jetty

Literally need to work on them the whole semester. One of my projects had 40 pages of documentation lol

[slow jetty]

haha and here i am struggling on a simple tic tac toe game for my culminating

[safe coral]

Yeah like I had to write a documentation on how MICE, Adam algorithms work etc

[uncut bay]

hi guys i know the basics of python i just dont know what to do with it? what can i try make im 13 rn and wanna get a coding job in the future and build cool things maybe automations.

[near ocean]

you stay in school, get good grades, go to university

[uncut bay]

but i want to make something out of myself in life instead of playing video games all day

[near ocean]

then dont do that, do this instead

[slow jetty]

try making a tic tac toe game. Its not as easy as it sounds trust me

[uncut bay]

dont i need pygame for that

[slow jetty]

Yeah

[uncut bay]

that might be a tiny bit too hard for me rn

[slow jetty]

Oh well you can use python turtle modulo i

[pine sleet]

it's not that serious when you're 13. just build projects and see whats out there

[uncut bay]

like what sorta projects is what im wondering

i wanna make at least one project before i turn 14 this year

[radiant vortex]

what do you like doing

asides from programming

[uncut bay]

i play roblox and i watch volleyball on tv and anime

[radiant vortex]

so you could do something related to anime, like maybe a tracker of series you've watched

[uncut bay]

wait what do you mean by tracker of series

[radiant vortex]

so it'd be a GUI where you could input what anime series you've watched, your review of them, how long for etc. you could also make use of some APIs to grab information on the anime and do something with that

[uncut bay]

ohh ok i see, ive made a text adventure game and i can use input function things to do that right

[next plover]

You could use input but that would probably be better for a CLI not GUI

If you're new you may want to avoid a gui and just get the core logic first

[radiant vortex]

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[radiant vortex]

If you need some more inspiration

[uncut bay]

yeah.. im not sure what a gui or cli is

[next plover]

This might be better to move to #python-discussion

[vapid violet]

What specifically are you looking at when you say location?

[unborn rune]

Does anyone have any ideas and thoughts of the software egineering degree at WGU?

[waxen hare]

well in india where i live you get paid internships pretty easy so i was thinking i could go for those, or a lot of internships are in different states or qould require abt 2 hrs of commute each way . SO i was wondering if it would be worth just making a project or smthing

[fast fossil]

in that order?

[fringe sphinx]

Not at all, just those are the types of things I look for

[uncut bay]

what job opportunities are there that is reasonable for a 13 year old like me to aim for

[fringe sphinx]

When? After University or before?

[uncut bay]

well im not really sure but im only in year 9

[deft herald]

What country?

[uncut bay]

australia

[deft herald]

In the us, you'd be very hard pressed to find a job in retail or food service at that age.

When I was that old I worked for my neighbor who flipped houses.

[uncut bay]

flipped houses?

im only 13 i dont really have a way of making money right now except sometimes from parents from doing chores

[deft herald]

There you go. You could mow lawns or do chores for neighbors too

My kids friend, he's 11 or 12, makes like $300 every time it snows by shoveling his neighbor's driveway

Multiple neighbors that is.

[uncut bay]

well im not really sure how to just go up and ask them for money to clean

[deft herald]

ding dong

Hi, I'm hydro. I live down the street. I'm doing extra chores to make money. Here's a printed out paper with my contact info on it in case you have any odd jobs that need to be done. Have a good day!

[earnest copper]

Hi guys , has anyone applied for citadel?

[rugged axle]

idk

[wicked sandal]

What you mean idk

[rugged axle]

idk how to get paid for open source I was asking that. Billy might know something I am waitng for their reply