career-advice

[fringe sphinx]

Isn't "EEG" a very narrow subsector there?

Do you mean more generally bio med engineering stuff?

[digital fjord]

There are bioinformatics degree programs, which you could probably focus further on AI stuff via electives.

[fringe sphinx]

(not my specialty, it just seems like very narrowing to specifically call out EEG, but what do I know)

[cedar snow]

Not exactly. EEG is a very good data to analyse the dependency of stimulus on brain activity

There are various other biomedical scans as well. I am interested in those too. But a non-invasive medical analysis has a better future as a product compared to invasive technologies

Maybe I am just biased. D :

[digital fjord]

I would try to look for research teams publishing relevant papers, ideally at your uni, and try to join them. You can also use Erasmus if your uni lacks this.

[cedar snow]

Thank you for the information

[mint oracle]

It;s sound interesting R u trying to collect eeg data and what do u want with it prediction?

[jade viper]

Hello guys, what profession is better for the future in the AI world is it a programmer or cyber security specialist? I am about to pick one... Thanks for any of your feedback

[buoyant seal]

there is no AI world at the moment. The hype that AI will overtake jobs goes last 50 years.
It can last yet another 50 years without any success further.

Choose the job you are able to enjoy and willing to self study in free time / doing out of sheer enthusiasm / writing about and doing pet projects
"Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life"

[buoyant seal]

1. never learning from youtube videos.
2. learning core software engineering topics from books helped a lot https://darklab8.github.io/darklab_blog/favourite.html
   2.2) i also learned some appropriate book materials for getting better with current chosen programming language, like "Clean code in python"
3. practicing in pet projects i have fun https://darklab8.github.io/darklab_blog/pet_projects.html . Some projects were remade three times to reach the current state.
4. besides the core software engineering skills, u just need some also proper UI library sometimes to make things flowing. Or other tech
   Finding appropriate CLI building tool https://docs.python.org/3/library/argparse.html
   or finding stuff for TUI building like this guy https://github.com/Zaloog/dotenvhub
   or using cool tooling for APIs https://django-ninja.dev/
   or may be even cool things for front https://github.com/reflex-dev/reflex that are mergable with back

check other possible project ideas here
https://codingchallenges.fyi/challenges/intro
https://nedbatchelder.com/text/kindling.html

[buoyant seal]

1. The important rule for succesful project, always thinking in advance how to unit test it preferably. how to build unit testable code architecture.. then it has a chance for me to flow properly. So, the books i linked in second link regarding testing are important)
2. typing stuff helps too (mypy/pyright) for reaching appropriate quality, although i just switched to another language in general case
3. also important for me for project to be in demand by some other people, or by me for everyday usage. I don't like to make stuff that will not be used. Project needs living capacity, then it will be evolving infinity time til more mature and nicer state. At least I am obligated to be the everyday user of the made project or other people.
4. also i choose topics i am very enthusiastic about, may be those projects resolve some original personal problem, may be just personal fun. Enthusiasm matters... it is the fuel to make the pet projects, or at least "kicker in the ass" to get started and continue

[plush summit]

What do you think about udemy?

[buoyant seal]

never needed. finished university.
self studied after graduation during working.
capable to move into my own direction without course crutches. book is more comprehensive truthful for me material. and official docs

[plush summit]

👍 my uni said i had to follow 1 course about angular at home

[buoyant seal]

if to take courses, udemy could be the best choice among all present course options... because authors having transparent high competion forcing them to make high quality for cheap price. So higher chance to choose something at least something useful /passable
not everyone is English speaking person to pursue this option though.

And as i said, if u can follow books / official docs / doing projects on your own. it can be working direction as well.
At the end of the day it will matter only what u was able to practice in projects. where u made them will not matter
It is easy to find trustworthy comprehensive book materials for necessary jump starts (especially if just checking book reviews a bit)

[silver jacinth]

Nah there's big studies and the consensus is that we'll have 40% of jobs replaced by 2030 with automation. Goldman sachs estimate was 1 billion jobs and everyone thought it was high, then the UK released one and now there's the 40% figure appearing everywhere

The whole usa has a ubi system in the works since 2022 summer with fednow

[blazing harbor]

yes... books are more in depth; courses are more for the lazy

[buoyant seal]

Those studies are usually paid ones and their purpose to sell this hyped neural network / text generating LLM stuff for bigger price.
it is just a different form of adds to increase selling prices
Or just some "enthusiasts" hyping on it too.

[silver jacinth]

well the usa has a 25% estimate and they're preparing

[buoyant seal]

Some several years ago previous hype was Meta, and Web3 stuff. Where did they all go 😅

[silver jacinth]

my boy jerome powell wouldn't be releasing a fednow service if there's no risk to the economy

[silver jacinth]

btw the one that did the study was the imf

https://www.imf.org/en/home
If you think you're more qualified try working there

[buoyant seal]

U could be linking at least the source of information where it is readable instead of just landing page of someone.
Otherwise people can claim any words and then link https://google.com or https://facebook.com and etc

https://youtu.be/sxdDVAv6QDY 😅 ( web3 stuff is good from him )

[silver jacinth]

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2024/01/14/ai-will-transform-the-global-economy-lets-make-sure-it-benefits-humanity

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/~/link.aspx?_id=9C8411E26BD84173955E3B29FB6ED485&_z=z

https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/Staff-Discussion-Notes/Issues/2024/01/14/Gen-AI-Artificial-Intelligence-and-the-Future-of-Work-542379?cid=bl-com-SDNEA2024001

However, if productivity gains are sufficiently large, income levels could surge for most workers. In this evolving landscape, advanced economies and more developed emerging markets need to focus on upgrading regulatory frameworks and supporting labor reallocation, while safeguarding those adversely affected. Emerging market and developing economies should prioritize developing digital infrastructure and digital skills

[mint oracle]

Hii No sql!

[silver jacinth]

that's the positive case, the negative case is higher inequality to wage gaps

[buoyant seal]

Ergh, i will be needing to clarify then my original saying at #career-advice message

Darkwind The Duck — Today at 4:13 PM
there is no AI world at the moment. The hype that AI will overtake jobs goes last 50 years.
It can last yet another 50 years without any success further.

Choose the job you are able to enjoy and willing to self study in free time / doing out of sheer enthusiasm / writing about and doing pet projects
"Find a job you enjoy doing, and you will never have to work a day in your life"

There is no AI takeover in Software development jobs. There are more ML related jobs, but there is no impact on employments from the point of AI result usages.
There is AI takeover in other job fields though... stuff like recruitment for example is getting optimized, or making deliveries and etc

[mint oracle]

Blockchain web 3 hypes come and it goes same for datascience/ai in around 2020-21 it;s on peak
But i saw mostly people now days choose ai/datascience

[silver jacinth]

I can't get an internship for my college 💀, same with 50 other students in my classes. The college only received 2 job postings from companies this year

[mint oracle]

May be it cause by popularity of gpt (apis/llm)

[silver jacinth]

you can't deny all the layoffs happening are real. More than 50% of jobs from 2023 in 2024 were laid off from citing AI as the reason for the tech industry

and it hasn't even been 2 months into 2024. Nor gdc

[buoyant seal]

have u tried seeking other sources of issue 🙂 dropping here resume for optimization
receiving guidances what u could be missing in skills/projects to study for successful employment

[silver jacinth]

I did post my resume here 2 days ago

I got 1 contract full time, can't sign it due to starting 22nd jan rather than april 22nd. Then I got 4 interviews last weekend. One said they are actively laying people off, the others I haven't heard back

that full time contract was for a software engineer position

I applied to 100 jobs

so you can't pretend nothing is going on, its a mess right now

[silk mauve]

bleh, I'm on a struggle bus right now. Finally got my first offer, but it's underwhelming in a lot of ways, especially with the other roles I'm interviewing for. It's also the only contract job so far (one other is contract to hire which I feel is a lot better), and the benefits are just as bad as you'd expect from w2 contractor. I could just decline it and keep going with the others, but I honestly have had 3 jobs who claimed I was the top candidate and pull out for one reason or the other so far, so that makes that choice kinda scary. I could try to ask for more money to make up for it I guess, try to string them along as long as I can? Or I can just take it and leave if I get something better, but while I hate the fact that it's a contract job, I really like who it's contracting for, and don't want to burn that bridge... 😫

[silver jacinth]

doesn't help that gdc has keynotes for automating interviews and cv stuff. So its gonna be worse in the coming years

I think we should be limiting the stuff, but just denying everything will allow it to continue like a speeding train until it eventually slams into the economy and billions are without a job and means to support themselves

companies should be taxed for using these until we ease a transition for companies to shift to the new tech and allow workers to fill available jobs over time

[jovial bay]

I know but i fundamentally disagree with about "melicious" while what i did is not illegal and nothing melicious to you, its only shows the great or called red team technology to bypass a detection, its the same you want to build a robot to kill all the human. It's even just a prototype use 4 browser demonstrate the technology.
While "melicious", a person who don't know tech says.
There isn't a level that many gov founded people already started to this long time ago, that's where my frastration started.

[fringe sphinx]

Your tools were clearly malicious in intent/description. Zero question about a ‘cloudflare bypass’ project. I said nothing about legality: TOS and scraping is a legal murky area so I’ll say: it’s a matter for lawyers.

[jovial bay]

Descrilbe any commercial browsers out there can bypass Cloudflare, they all melicous? So people should not do it? So Cloudflare protecting forever, technology just stop right where you said?

[fringe sphinx]

I’m not arguing that I’m right. I’m arguing that this is my impression and the impressions of others, therefore you want to rethink your resume and portfolio.

[fringe sphinx]

This isn’t the point. The point is you’re removing your resume from consideration, like it or not.

[silk mauve]

what's on the resume is mostly hard skills, but the act of getting a job is a soft skill, and the fact is simply that soft skills are simply not always about being right

[jovial bay]

Tha'ts the problem for non-coding recruiter. While being non-code person to judge who can proetect or attack the web, isn't it?

[silk mauve]

no, it's not the problem of the recruiter, they have a job and are comfy

you have two options, you can go on a huge campaign to change how all technical job hiring is conducted in the world, or you can change how you approach a recruiter and your resume

[jovial bay]

How many companies doing meclious things right now such as selling users data, collecting users data, selling your daughter names, personality, address, just like any google or facebook, while you been judging here a project with 4 brwosers is melicous, who is wrong?

[fringe sphinx]

Has nothing to do with you getting a job.

[silver jacinth]

companies don't collect that kind of data for that

they collect user search history for analytics for targeted advertising. When you use discord you agree to allow them to create a profile for you and everything you talk about will be relayed ads online

[jovial bay]

Or maybe i just can't get a job from company you work for, i don't see problem here for me.

[silver jacinth]

Every message you write is used to target ads tailored for you

[jovial bay]

think again

[fringe sphinx]

Let’s not go down this rathole, I’m trying to keep this to careers.

[silk mauve]

this is turning into a big oof

[silver jacinth]

companies do not care about you, truth is no one does enough to warrant that

unless you're a diplomat, no one cares about that data

[fringe sphinx]

Correct, and my assertion is that many hiring managers think like I do.

[jovial bay]

How many percentage? As i am right, and you are wrong, i do not see there is an issue to work for some one vision is not right

[silk mauve]

anyway, @fringe sphinx if you're sitting on an offer you're really not enthusiastic about at all, but also are unemployed, and have no guarantee that the much better jobs you're also interviewing for are going to give you an offer, what might you do in that situation...

[silver jacinth]

my guy you're arguing with a moderator

[jovial bay]

Bro they literally selling people's gerne pool right there

[silver jacinth]

just mentioned it because most people using discord are unaware of it, yet complain about this stuff. As billybobby said we should go back on topic

[fringe sphinx]

You have an opinion, and I have an opinion, and we can disagree. I think most hiring managers would agree with me on this.

[fringe sphinx]

But, it’s ok. You can let other people have those jobs.

[silver jacinth]

I know morgan stanley requires you to be recorded whilst you work

some jobs aren't for everyone

[fringe sphinx]

That’s a tough question. It’s hard to predict how a job will turn out, so even if you’re not enthusiastic, it may turn out to be a great team or a good learning opportunity or something else.

[fringe sphinx]

Sometimes you just have to take the best available opportunity and make the best of it.

[jovial bay]

I have many ways to say this, such as in reality you hired some people such as never bypassed cloudflare to protect cloudflare, is that realistic? Yes, you definitely can have some normal people say good things to you, saying yes daddy we can do it, and you hired them for the job.

[summer roost]

No matter how many different ways you find to say it, you're describing stealing

[jovial bay]

???????????

So hacker never hack, they only protect

[summer roost]

I don't know what that's supposed to mean

[jovial bay]

You need to have a reality check

[summer roost]

bypassing anti-bot measures is malicious: the owner of a site tried to prevent you from taking something, and you bypassed that. That's stealing.

[jovial bay]

I'm describing you think programmers never hacking, but you also assumed them can protect the assets

[radiant yoke]

Anything that you do not have written or proven consent for is malicious

[summer roost]

I haven't said anything about hacking at all, or about protecting assets. I've got no idea what you're talking about

bringing this back to the topic of career discussions: having malicious stuff listed on your resume will make companies less likely to interview you, and will make it harder to get a legitimate job.

[strong lava]

think about it. any company operating legally will see someone with a portfolio full of projects with malicious intent as a liability. you're not following cybersec research practices such as responsible disclosure, you're bypassing protections that were deployed specifically to stop people like you for shits and giggles

[radiant yoke]

Rather than putting on malicious stuff, maybe get some training and some certifications that you can "defend" against the malicious stuff, thats the reason they exist really, there are offensive security certs e.t.c, red team and blue team that are meant to train you legally, in a way which you can show off your skills without risking a potential interview or hire

[jovial bay]

I'm describing the first inteview recruiter judgement and job requirements. You assumed something is malicious where the best skills is to attack and even bypass it (as i showed on the video) that can clearly see the vournability. While you sitting duck magically thinking some one don't how to attack the shield, as morally wrong ,can have the skills to protect the assets (employment)

[strong lava]

if you expect every company to change their hiring process to accommodate you just because you totally won't do malicious stuff at work, news flash: that's not happening
leverage your skills for something more presentable. your anti-bot bypasses: find ways to detect them. make that a project..

[radiant yoke]

there is a reason certs exist

[true harness]

responsible red teamers are either employed by the company they are trying to attack, or responsibly disclose vulnerabilities. you are neither

[shell root]

but if those malicious types of projects are what really interest them and are where their most fully developed carefully developed work examples are i think they are better off presenting potential employers who they are and what their skills are and accepting that for some employers it will be a flat no

[summer roost]

You assumed something is malicious
It is malicious. Bypassing anti-bot protections to access data whose owner doesn't want you to access it is stealing.
where the best skills is to attack the shield to see the vournability
In terms of job skills, perhaps, but in terms of trustworthiness absolutely not. You might have the skills required to do the job, but many companies will still pass over you in favor of someone who demonstrates better ethics

[jovial bay]

So if i don't attack it, and bypass it to demonstarte my skills => which means i am better employment. while you just pretend someone can't discovered and even bypass your perfect shield suit for the job?

[radiant yoke]

I think firms are smart enough not to hire unqualified people who try to break into stuff as their "hobby"

[jovial bay]

Like what? don't have the skills to do it, and imageination can protect the vonunbilities?

[summer roost]

while you just pretend someone can't discovered and even bypass your perfect shield
No one is saying anything that even remotely resembles this. People are telling you that breaking into a building and then trying to get a job there as a security guard isn't going to work out the way you want it to.

[radiant yoke]

Its most likely gonna end up with a prison sentence instead 😛

[jovial bay]

So if someone can't break the building, how do you know your building is describled as safe?

[silk mauve]

this honestly is a big worry here, because I actually am excited with who I'll actually be working with, so I don't doubt it could be a great team, it's just the contracting company who will be giving me my benefits and paying me that I'm not super enthusiastic about.

[summer roost]

you hire a penetration testing firm and contract with them to analyze your building's security

[radiant yoke]

You just pointed out why pen testing firms exist....

[silk mauve]

I'd be super happy if they brought me on to their company too, which there's always a chance, just a much smaller chance than specifically "contract-to-hire" jobs. I've even left a job already because I was unhappy with the contract job after almost 2 years, there was no upward mobility and I never felt 100% part of the team I was working for

[indigo forum]

what skill I should have to take good job in AI??

[summer roost]

a Computer Science degree with a concentration in Artificial Intelligence and Machine Learning

[radiant yoke]

then some microsoft certs 😛

[jovial bay]

So you telling me i build a driver, fully bypassed their bot detection, to demonstrate my skills is morrally wrong, even bypassing and scraping the data is legal, and such companies milicious selling milions users data is morally correct

[indigo forum]

i am a cs student ....

but i just want to know that what certification i just need

[summer roost]

So you telling me i build a driver, fully bypassed their bot detection, to demonstrate my skills is morrally wrong
yes
such companies milicious selling milions users data is morally correct
no, I didn't say anything like this

two things can both be wrong.

[radiant yoke]

you would start with something like AI-900 by microsoft

[ivory compass]

Is this true? I want to start web scrapping and really create some mad complex data engineering/devops project to test my limits. Are there more things to be aware off when web scrapping?

[indigo forum]

o thanks any more??

[summer roost]

you don't need certifications, you need courses that cover AI and ML

[jovial bay]

It's morrally wrong, top level can't demonstrate thier skills

[ivory compass]

I think AI/ML need degree tbh unlike software engineering

[radiant yoke]

Microsoft has many certs about AI, start with 900 though its a good fundamental, yo ucan get the price of it for 50% off so itll be like 25$ if you attend the live training days

[true harness]

you may also need graduate school

[ivory compass]

its like for quants u need degree

[summer roost]

@jovial bay imagine someone came up to your house while you were out, broke your window, climbed through it, and left a note on your bed telling you that your window was easy to break, but they'd be happy to sell you windows that don't break as easily. They left their address and phone number on the note. Would you a) buy new windows from them, or b) call the police?

[radiant yoke]

I disagree with this point, certs are a great help in getting into work, though they arent necessary like you say but they give you a big edge

[true harness]

do they?

[summer roost]

do you have a job in AI?

[jovial bay]

You need reality check

[indigo forum]

ohhh ..I got it ..but Ammm so Is something free i can start with?

[radiant yoke]

No, but my firm i work for has hired multiple people and do AI voice transcription

[summer roost]

what certs do the people hiring for those roles look for?

[radiant yoke]

Well, because we mostly use azure, we look for the microsoft certs,

[summer roost]

the certs from cloud providers about their cloud offerings are the one type of cert I've heard can be useful for SWE jobs. I suppose it might be useful for AI jobs as well, though I've never heard someone say that before

[summer roost]

so, the police, right?

[indigo axle]

Hi guys, i dont have a technical degree but i just finished learning python

[jovial bay]

If you are engineering, i'm happy to talk about this, If you are a recruiter or business person, bye. From reality view your point is so lack and so vounabrable

[whole flare]

yeah the police need a reality check, Nickdiaze_S is clearly very ethical /s

[indigo axle]

What can i learn next so i can make (at least some) money?

[summer roost]

I'm a senior software engineer with about 15 years of experience

[fringe sphinx]

Web scraping is very legally murky waters. Don’t trust internet lawyers who say ‘it’s legal’ or ‘illegal’. There are many things to consider.

[radiant yoke]

They are useful, but to be fair they are not necessary like you say, but i guess it would depend from firm to firm, because we use azure to host 75% of our servers and processes, i guess it wouldnt be wrong to say we look for people who are qualified with stuff like the AZ-104 and DP-100

[true harness]

you should look at the job descriptions of roles you want, and try to learn the things they ask for

[jovial bay]

what end?

[summer roost]

backend/systems

[gritty rivet]

Look for jobs in your local area to understand what skills are in demand. Build projects that demonstrate those skills

[jovial bay]

nothing cybersecurity?

[indigo axle]

Okay that makes sense!

[jovial bay]

can you bypass cloudflare?

[radiant yoke]

I am a sysadmin atm but i want to branch out to some better jobs like developing 😛

[whole flare]

I have about 3 years of experience in Cyber Security, do I get a free Nickdiaze_S approved sticker?

[jovial bay]

yes, please demonstrate

[summer roost]

only insofar as I've needed my systems to pass security reviews and follow industry standard best practices

[whole flare]

okay, I will demonstrate this by going outside and touching grass

[indigo axle]

Thanks for your response, makes sense!

[summer roost]

dunno, never tried

[summer roost]

though, security was one of my concentrations back in uni. I've done a few CTFs, and have a fairly decent handle on things like ROP and other exploits

[indigo forum]

so what u think from where a beginner like me can start his career in python...means that what should learn ?? from start?

[jovial bay]

And you think bypassing it from a protector bussiness company is judgemental

[summer roost]

learn stuff that you think is interesting and fun to work on. There's jobs for every niche, and one of the most important things is that you enjoy the work you do. The more specialized your skillset, the higher the maximum compensation available to you, as a general rule

[summer roost]

yes, everyone thinks stealing is wrong

[radiant yoke]

I just started learning today, im using boot.dev which i think is great to learn backend

[jovial bay]

That's bit moral, don't you think?

[fringe sphinx]

And providing tools that facilitate stealing is also wrong.

[whole flare]

their opinion is morally correct

[vital wyvern]

The fact that we're even having this discussion is indicative to me that you aren't formally trained, and have likely focused your efforts on unmarketable skills.

[indigo forum]

so can give me more details about it?

[jovial bay]

so what do you think people don't know how to bypass it, they morrally correct

[true harness]

this is kind of a gray area though. many tools that can be used for malicious purposes also have legitimate uses

[summer roost]

yes, if stealing is bad, not stealing is good

[radiant yoke]

Well if your looking to start i guess its a good rescource, it covers a lot of points like getting to grips with python, terminal, sql e.t.c though it is paid. its really good because it teaches you to test your code aswell

[fringe sphinx]

FYI, thread started #career-advice message

[jovial bay]

why you talk about stealing? You don' find bypassing the most protected firewall or detection is interesting?

[whole flare]

🗿

[jovial bay]

Or you are not capble of

[summer roost]

bypassing anti-bot measures to download something that someone didn't want you to download is stealing

[vital wyvern]

Yeah that tracks. My advice to OP would be...
Maybe focus a little more on cybersecurity holistically and not... producing questionable programs that aim to solve very whelming problems in very whelming ways.

[jovial bay]

So in reality, if you don't know how to bypass it, how do you improve it?

improve it with your moral standard, or code?

[vital wyvern]

You need to take a step back; the programs you produced will not get you hired. Flat out.

[jovial bay]

or skill?

[summer roost]

this is a false dichotomy. There are ethical cybersecurity professionals.

[indigo forum]

okay that great! my mood is liking to swing in it 😂😂

[radiant yoke]

Yeah its like a game-style of learning really great imo

[whole flare]

They way you improve a firewall or detection system is by conducting tests that you have been given consent to do

[jovial bay]

so they maybe know how to do it, or they not capable as you do, but they are correct

[ivory compass]

I think its proven like aws certs do help

[indigo forum]

sorry i forgot waht was it boot.??

[jovial bay]

so i need to find the cloudflare team, saying hey can i try it, than start my business

[radiant yoke]

Boot dev

[true harness]

i think certain certs help for certain job roles. i'm not sure these include AI roles

[vital wyvern]

That would be step 1, obtaining consent, yes.

[radiant yoke]

@indigo forum its mostly for backend though so a good starting point imo

[jovial bay]

LOL

[ivory compass]

you mean to say its not good to do the web scrapping legally? I was thinking of scrapping stock exchange etc

[vital wyvern]

You "LOL" but I'm a cybersecurity student specifically with a focus on vulnerability research, red teaming, and penetration testing. So... maybe don't burn that bridge.

[whole flare]

yeah problem with that is I think cloudflare have their own internal team for that or they hire competent individuals from a pentesting company

[indigo forum]

yeah i am considering it as starting

[jovial bay]

What bridge?

[strong lava]

many finance websites have APIs for stock stats....

[ivory compass]

I think someone I know works for a client that does web scraap and feeds that daata via an API, it can't be illegaal if they can do thaat no?

[true harness]

there are also responsible ways to disclose vulnerabilities to cloudflare. these do not involve making youtube videos

[vital wyvern]

Mostly my rapidly fleeting desire to help you understand how you should focus your efforts if you want to be successful in the career field.

[summer roost]

a resource that might actually help you learn how to be employable in the field you're trying to break into

I don't see any point in continuing this conversation. You've heard from many different people in this conversation who work in the industry that you're trying to break into. They've told you that they're less likely to hire you because of the types of work you're advertising. Your upwork account has been closed by people who work in the industry that you're trying to break into, presumably because of the types of work you were performing. I don't really see anything up for debate here: the skills you're advertising will make reputable companies not want to work with you.

[ivory compass]

it's for fun I waas thinking of

[indigo forum]

and if i need for info can i msg u??
on discord or any where else??

[radiant yoke]

ye on discord i guess

[jovial bay]

you are a cybersecurity student, with no hiring, and suddenly think you are the bridge

[whole flare]

🗿

[jovial bay]

for me

[indigo forum]

okay i am sending u req

[vital wyvern]

My full resume is in here somewhere, you're welcome to make that judgement for yourself.

[radiant yoke]

pretty sure a sec student is smarter than someone claiming bypassing the cloudfare firewall will make you a god in all realms at security and get you hired isntantly

[strong lava]

#career-advice message

[whole flare]

dude thinks he's Kevin Mitnick or something that's for sure

[radiant yoke]

"I hacked the FBI and got a job" type shit

[ivory compass]

bahaha just read that "suddenly think you are the bridge" LOL

[whole flare]

litereally what Kevin Mitnick did 😄

[radiant yoke]

wasnt he also in prison for years?

[ivory compass]

I must say this chat faaar livier thaan the frontend one lol love it

[whole flare]

although he was targeting I believe Motorolla and then the FBI arrested him (dont quote me on the facts)

[near ocean]

Is there really a reason the channel is entertaining these arguments

[jovial bay]

can you bypass cloudflare?

[vital wyvern]

Hack-A-Sat is a free and enjoyable CTF style competition which involves more or less precisely that, and would be a wonderful project demonstration where you've...
A.) Obtained consent to test the system's you're testing.
B.) Worked with government agencies to potentially remediate vulnerabiliites.
and C.) Demonstrated your unique skillset for potential employers.

[whole flare]

💀

[ivory compass]

why not, I love it

[summer roost]

companies are way more likely to hire graduates from cybersecurity degree programs for cybersecurity positions than they are to hire random criminals

[strong lava]

buddy, bypassing cf isn't as impressive as you think it is LOL

[jovial bay]

i know

[vital wyvern]

I'm not going to entertain this discussion because I don't think you actually understand what you're saying.
Are you talking about the automated activity detections, the web application firewalls, or any one of their several dozen other features that their software suite offers?

[radiant yoke]

I do some CTF's but never really got into security lol are the courses as hard as they say they are?

[whole flare]

I think we should move to #cybersecurity

[jovial bay]

i just thinking some random dude here want to as a bridge with security degree

[strong lava]

yeah, or OT
this convo is wayy offtopic

[radiant yoke]

I was going to get into sec but im going to do a finance degree instead rofl

[vital wyvern]

Nah, check out #cybersecurity. I think I have a TrailOfBits guide to getting into CTF.

[whole flare]

🤨 interesting choice

[radiant yoke]

My plan was to study finance and banking, get accredited by CISI then try to move into quant 😛

I will be going for a masters hopefully as it only takes 4 years in total here

[true harness]

quant requires lots and lots of math though. you wouldn't get that with a finance degree

[jovial bay]

"the automated activity detections, the web application firewalls" let's just first focused on easy stuff for a cybersecutity student and my bridge, can you bypass that sorry firewalls? I have no knwoledge about that, just a loading thing

[vital wyvern]

You seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying. I have vetted and effective advice gathered from both my formal education, mentorships, and contacts in the industry. I am not telling you I can get you a job, but I'm definitely telling you that the advice I'm giving you is industry vetted and in your best interest.

[radiant yoke]

Absolutely understand where your coming from but either way i hopefully will end up somewhere programming soon enough for a hedgefund 😛

[ivory compass]

U need maths and statistics or is ovER

[radiant yoke]

Either that or i will get into portfolio management hopefully

i mean surely if i complete a masters in finance and banking itll be enough to move into quant no?

[vital wyvern]

I did my internship as a financial data analyst with a large bank.
I do not... envy finance workers. I'm not sure you could pay me enough to go back.

[whole flare]

based

[true harness]

quant requires...quantitative skills. you should be looking at a math degree, or cs, or physics

[fringe sphinx]

Im saying it’s legally murky, and there’s no simple answers.

[silk mauve]

I had no idea what quant even was, but from initial looks, I would think I'd rather have a guy who 0 finance and incredibly strong math than someone with finance and little math

[white relic]

it would be enough to get something, but not necessarily quantitative finance. afaik a lot of quants are not from finance background.

[jovial bay]

Thanks, no need.

[ivory compass]

its an elite job

[vital wyvern]

You direly need both.

[jovial bay]

Dude not anwsering me, he can not

[vital wyvern]

Technical accountants are very high paid and know the theory behind accounting, not necessarily the math behind it. In America, the financial system is so convoluted that it requires significant education and investment in the field.

[near ocean]

Bro just drop the subject, if you think you know everything then go apply it to your job search

[true harness]

many quant positions advertise needing little finance knowledge for candidates. instead, they emphasize things like competition math, degrees in quantitative fields, and so on. the finance can be easily taught

[silk mauve]

like, the finance part only helps you convert the trends into what it means financially, but I'd think as long as you knew how to work with time series data, get all the trend information into pretty graphs and tables, then an actual finance person would be able to handle it from there

[radiant yoke]

I mean i guess i could do a degree in finance first then work towards a maths/stats degree part time when i am working

[silk mauve]

obviously knowing both would be the most valuable tho

[fringe sphinx]

Also there’s plenty of api’s for stock/market data. Save yourself the effort and use yfinance (for instance)

[summer roost]

the finance is fed to a quant by people who do understand the finance but can't do the number crunching at scale

[vital wyvern]

This isn't strictly true. I'd liken the (American) financial system and policies to studying law.

[jovial bay]

?

[radiant yoke]

I honestly think it would be easier to just network with people than to grind your way up to a quant position

[near ocean]

Im not sure you can network to a quant position if you havent already ground the way to it

[radiant yoke]

Only time will tell i guess

[vital wyvern]

I detest the word 'grind' in the context of Quantbros. It's not a grind, you need to make decisive career decisions. You're not the Wolf of Wallstreet, you're just... a maths-focused professional applying that domain of knowledge in the context of Finance instead of something else.

[fringe sphinx]

There are also many types of quants.

[white relic]

depends what you mean by "easier"
gambling is easy. making money gambling is another story

[whole flare]

making money gambling is easy just ask Drake /j

[fringe sphinx]

And, even better: gambling with other peoples money 🙂 (my eli5 of hedge funds)

[white relic]

exactly, all you have to be is Drake

[whole flare]

precisely, get the gods of Stake to print your money you gamble with on their platform

[jovial bay]

@vital wyvern that loading thingy, can you bypass as a cyber student?

[radiant yoke]

My current plan right now is to do some IT certs, build some knowledge in networking, programming e.t.c, cloud, whilst i do my degree and masters in finance and investment, then hopefully move into a programming role, work my way towards programming for finance or some sort of other high paying job

[vital wyvern]

If I say yes will you drop it? What you're doing isn't technically difficult or unique. I'm not sure why we're still talking about this. I've made efforts to segue the conversation.

[jovial bay]

it's just an easy question

[radiant yoke]

Then long-term move into something a bit more prestigious such as quant development to build finance tools for banks and such

[vital wyvern]

If you want a reality check, you're demonstrating that you're a script kid tackling trivial problems with little realistic application. You will not lead a successful career with this. And your inability to solicit effective criticism and advice will be your downfall.

[summer roost]

it's off-topic for this channel. If the off-topic conversation continues, you'll be muted.

[jovial bay]

just get a quick answer that's it

[radiant yoke]

The only problem i find with this is just that getting into these positions is hard and takes time i guess but hopefully it all works out

[jovial bay]

no?

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, contracting companies are hit or miss, and can have some toxic restrictions... but, experience is experience, so maybe deal with it for the first year?

[fringe sphinx]

What's your degree in?

[radiant yoke]

I will be studying banking and finance with a masters

[jovial bay]

i'm a script kid can bypass the product your dreamed company, while you a cyber student with no skill harassing me about it, from my point of view, you are bad as others.

[summer roost]

!mute 1132863992470175845 2d Ranting about the imagined importance of criminal activity towards landing cybersecurity positions in #career-advice after multiple warnings to drop the topic and refocus on skills employers look for

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @jovial bay until <t:1707417795:f> (2 days).

[radiant yoke]

this is some of it

[fringe sphinx]

I work with a lot of those types of people. Finance analysts of various types and technical capabilities... most of them are real finance geeks (as a good thing)... generally deep in company fundamentals and the like

Most of them really want to upskill to Python, but it's difficult to pick up on the fly... so their real tool of choice is Excel

[radiant yoke]

My plan is during my 4 year course, to learn python, build a good github profile and network a bit, and hopefully thatll be enough i guess to land a decent development job or even a financial job i guess

[fringe sphinx]

Take advantage of your schools resources and learn Bloomberg Terminal and whatever other platforms they provide (factset, eikon, etc)

[radiant yoke]

Yea, I have exposure to terminal already as my father works as a risk analyst at a hedge fund

[dapper hawk]

I am a software engineer

[white relic]

there can be different ways of things being "hard"
"this path requires a lot of work and dedication to be good at it" vs. "there are only 100 openings for this job in the world this year and 10000 qualified people applying to them" are two very different kinds of "hard"

[fringe sphinx]

I know one finance person who landed a job largely because they knew the right platform and the proprietary query language.,

[dapper hawk]

and I have strong background in Python

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I mean coding experience with terminal.

[radiant yoke]

Im also studying for some certifications as well such as azure and some other ones as ive heard these are desired by employers

but i guess that depends based on employer to employer

[radiant yoke]

It really depends for me on what there will be 5-10 years down the line

[white relic]

it's good to shoot for some of those rare opportunities because who knows if you might get it? but you also need some fallback plan. From what I understand getting into quant is a bit of both kinds of hard.

[radiant yoke]

I do have a fallback plan, i mean, if i dont like finance, i can always move into development or IT, which is why i study this in my free time 😛

[fringe sphinx]

Well, there's also the "citadel/rentech/jane" difficulty, and there's everywhere else, I think... like MIT/Harvard/etc vs everything else

[white relic]

yeah honestly idk, basically nothing about quant besides what I pick up in channels like this

[fringe sphinx]

I know the other types of quants. I've never met the top firm quants, tho.

[radiant yoke]

yeah, i would say its definately not something you would start off with, which is why i want to move into it in the future, not right away, even a basic job liek financial analyst or say a simple junior dev job would be enough for me when im fresh out of uni

[true harness]

the thing with schools is that they can charge an application fee, so it keeps the numbers down. they might have ~4% acceptance rate for the most competitive programs. but a company like google would have much lower than 1%, since it's free to apply

[white relic]

your fallback plan is to become a dev with a master's in finance?

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, there's a wide range of fintech jobs out there, with varying mixes of skill levels. With that kind of background, I could also see you ending up in a product management role in fintect.

[radiant yoke]

Well i havent really thought too much about it, but i plan to complete certs and learn to program in my time while i am studying, so incase finance isnt for me, i can always move into a role somewhere else in the IT field

I would prefer to move into programming though

[whole flare]

not the place to advertise jobs

[white relic]

Personally I feel like this would work better the other way, i.e. focus on IT / software dev and take classes in finance in your spare time.

Maybe this is my Americentric bias but I wouldn't want to be trying to make it as an IT professional while on the hook for student loans for a MS in an unrelated field.

[radiant yoke]

I would mention that i am trying to go for a CISI accredition, which requires a degree in finance and banking and other related ones, and from what i have heard, which a degree in finance and banking, you can always branch out to IT/Development in the long term if you dont feel like finance isnt for you. I mean there are plenty of other stuff you can have instead of a comp sci degree but I guess it can go either way

[fringe sphinx]

No ads or hiring here. Please read our #rules

[radiant yoke]

I know someone who completed a degree in economics and works as the head of cyber-security at a firm in london.

So perhaps its different in the states but its always good to have a external viewpoint

[white relic]

well, it's always possible to find people who have made any given career transition, but it doesn't mean that's an advisable career path.
I don't know anyone who started in finance and switched but I work in applied physics so that is a whole different ball game.

[radiant yoke]

I have no clue how you are working in physics haha, its mind fuckery, really great!

[white relic]

honestly it was a lot of blind luck, right place right time kind of thing.

I don't even have a PhD

[radiant yoke]

Yeah physics is hard imo worser than comp sci

What are you using a phsyics degree for? any specific fields and such?

[white relic]

My degree is actually in computer (hardware) engineering but today I am a researcher in superconducting electronics.

[radiant yoke]

That is nice work, not many people doing this type of stuff nowdays

[white relic]

Spend some time in the lab, some analyzing data, some offering mundane assistance to my coworkers, I wear lots of hats

[heady dragon]

Hey, I am currently a sophomore in highschool. Planning on taking AP Calculus AB for my junior year, but I wan't to get some more input on this to see if its actually worth it. Has anyone taken AP Calculus, and has it helped you within your work-life / skills surrounding computer science. To provide some more background if that helps:

• Currently taking strictly honors classes.
• End goal is Software Engineering, or something around that field.

[fringe sphinx]

In college, Calc 1 and 2 are what you'll take freshman year, unless you get AP credit. It's a tough class for the unprepared, so highly recommended to take it.

In practical terms, calc isn't all that important. It's just something we all take, and should know... but many will never think about calculus ever again.

[heady dragon]

Alright thanks, thats was pretty much what I was thinking. Glad to know i was on the right track!

[fringe sphinx]

A tip: look at some local universities and start looking at their computer science curriculum: the courses you need to graduate. Just look at freshman and sophomore year to get a sense. Most uni's (in US) are fairly similar

[hybrid sage]

https://i.imgur.com/aGeChrM.png

lmao

[fringe sphinx]

You seem frustrated. What’s up?

[hybrid sage]

Oh, a hostile comment. imma just ignore that : )

[peak halo]

He's not being hostile. He's just responding to a message that you posted.

[smoky quest]

Feel free to send an anonymized version of your resume for review and feedback

[peak halo]

!mute 928036141205184573 "3 days" Having reviewed your recent messages, it seems like you're more interested in demotivating job-seekers than giving them helpful advice. Please follow our code of conduct.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @hybrid sage until <t:1707509755:f> (3 days).

[true harness]

I've sent 600 over 2 years

[ivory compass]

bahaha, is he meming?

[ivory compass]

No but when I see what the data scientist are doing in my team with their Python magic. It is probably worth it if you want to be a data scientist

[pine sleet]

definetely take calc AB in high school if you can. it will set you up well for college

if you take AB junior year, you will take BC senior year which is basically calc 2. once you get to college you can use those credits to skip calc 1 & 2 (depending on uni)

but sadly calculus isn't as relevant to practical computer science compared to, say, linear algebra or discrete mathematics

[surreal void]

i need help compiling somethhing pls

[smoky quest]

Welcome!
This the wrong place for this question. You may want to check #❓｜how-to-get-help

[ivory compass]

I have question for you guys, do you keep a log where the product ( of who you are the sole creator of ) was displayed in the public domain? For like referance in interviews

by that I mena lke the product shown in a public facing website

[white relic]

not sure if I completely understand the question, but that kind of thing would often go on a resume

personally, I've never worked on a public facing product

[ivory compass]

I mean like lets say you create product for client and that client is showing it on their own website

do you keep a note or like work log of it for future referance? Or as you saay myabe a link to it

[white relic]

I would likely put it as a line item on my resume, next time I felt like updating it.

I don't really have a "work log" I guess, though I can see where such a thing might be useful.

(I don't do contract work either)

[ivory compass]

ah ok yeah I wasa thinking, it's first time and was surprised since we just shipped the feature last week

[sharp plank]

is it better to put less complex but group projects or more complex but solo projects on my CV?

[true harness]

both

[sharp plank]

so 50/50 is fine?

thats what I've got now

[smoky quest]

it's about what you want to tell the recruiter

if your solo projects suck, you may not want to have as many

But in general, group projects are less impactful since attribution is less obvious

[sharp plank]

oh really? I thought they looked for them because of teamwork etc

[smoky quest]

everyone know half the student projects are carried by a single person
The other half is just people trying to claim things they didn't do

[sharp plank]

lol yeah thats definitely my experience with them, makes sense thanks

[strange nova]

Hey, should I put github link to each project in the descriptions thereof?

[true harness]

it's fairly common. i don't know if you should or shouldn't

[strange nova]

Con: I feel like I'm running out of vertical space

and with those links I will be out of it 😂

[silver jacinth]

good luck, everyone in my program can't find an internship

[whole flare]

ong I feel like I'm carrying @vital wyvern 😭

[silver jacinth]

who's rem?

[strange nova]

Dunno

[gritty rivet]

Sure there are other things you could cut

That said one clear link to a portfolio page with the individual links may be enough.

You can also use links without actually showing the URL though those are likely to go unnoticed.

[shell pewter]

Hey everyone, im a bit stuck right now as to what i want to pursue, web development or machine learning/ai, I've been doing front end development for a while and ive learned html css and js, and its always been bugging me to leave and start learning python for machine learning due to there not being very many careers in web dev and the rise of website builders, which kills just about any freelancing opportunities for small businesses due to people building cheap wordpress websites on fiverr and the increasing popularity of machine learning and this has caused my interest in web development to gradually decrease would greatly appreciate if you could let me know your opinion on this or if youve had any past experiences with this, thank you

also note getting a job is more of a secondary for me, i prefer to try starting a business or do freelancing relating to these skills.

[peak halo]

I work in AI/ML professionally. Unless you can go to a university to learn about AI/ML, I would give up on that right now, unfortunately.

[shell pewter]

why do you think that?

[buoyant seal]

Not many web dev jobs? U would be mistaken here.
Web dev is ultra popular, and makes proportionally growing amount of jobs to continue the ever growing code masses.
There is at least always more and more demand for people beyond junior qualifications

That is I speak about Frontend and Backend job roles at least

[shell pewter]

i agree, however those are higher level jobs, for people like me who havent had any previous work experience, its all but impossible to find any entry level jobs (at least in my area)

[peak halo]

even though AI/ML is rising in popularity, jobs in that space are still competitive and require hard-to-obtain credentials. If your only professional experience is web development, you unfortunately don't have any of the credentials that AI/ML employers are looking for, and bootcamps and individual projects won't bridge the gap.

[buoyant seal]

Ai/machine learning is even more demanding in qualifications than high level web dev

[shell pewter]

before university though what can i do to prepare myself and gain some experience to put on my university application and to set a solid foundation for whats to come?

[fringe sphinx]

My usual advice here is: look at adjacent roles in tech. Support, QA, etc are all good places to learn about the industry and gain valuable experience, even if you can't directly land a SWE role

[peak halo]

you need a strong academic record, especially in math.

[buoyant seal]

Or even CMS/wordpress dev can be added to here

[shell pewter]

will keep in mind, thanks

[shell pewter]

alright, thank you

[dusty moon]

Hey could anyone have a look at my resume?

[peak halo]

don't ask to ask. when you ask for something, give everything one would need to do it.

[dusty moon]

What I was thinking of doing is removing Course Descriptions and adding more projects and projects descriptions. This seems like the best options due to the trends I'm seeing, what do you guys think?

I want to be employed as a data analyst so my resume may look like its focused on the front end.

[true harness]

i think you should drop at least 2 of your projects and actually write things about your related experience

[peak halo]

the internship should go above the tutoring job. and you should say what you did at that internship. delete as much as you need to from the academic projects section to make room for what you did at the internship.

[true harness]

to add on to stelercus, you have this with ordering in general: it should be reverse chronological; most recent at the top

[peak halo]

you also don't need to give your GPA as a fraction. everyone knows it's out of 4.

if your in-major GPA is higher, you could give that instead.

or both.

[true harness]

some colleges are weird. some have it out of 4.3 or something. i don't think it detracts to just include the denominator ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[peak halo]

well those colleges should be destroyed.

[true harness]

notably, stanford uses a 4.3 scale

[strange nova]

There's a place near me I interviewed at a long time ago which images systems or something, maybe it would be fun to work there until I find swe job

anything would be more fun than having hella inflammation any day

[dusty moon]

@peak halo For Data Analyst should I just focus on front end projects and the experience from internship then?

[peak halo]

front-end web dev has nothing to do with data analysis in itself, unfortunately. how relevant are your internships?

[dusty moon]

@peak halo Somewhat relevant I guess.

[peak halo]

there's no harm in applying, but I fear that data analyst positions are a long-shot for you at the moment.

[dusty moon]

@peak halo Why ?

[fringe sphinx]

Any experience in tech will be great. And for a coder, there may even be opportunity to use your skills.

[crisp kestrel]

hey guys, I passed out from my Btech CSE last year and I'm joining Mtech this year. I have good knowledge and a year experience in data science but I want to shift my domain to dev by the time I complete my Mtech. So, can anyone suggest to me what to do and how to do it? A lot of stuff online but seems so confusing...

[fringe sphinx]

What do you know already? Programming wise.

[crisp kestrel]

I can code in Python for both dsalgo and ML-related libraries. I have projects related to ML.
but after my internship, I didn't get a full-time offer. Right now I have two years (Mtech). I want to learn stuff that is in demand, which can be web dev or mobile applications or antg as such.

[fringe sphinx]

Are you looking to go deeper into a single topic, or to broaden your SWE knowledge / prepare for a corporate job?

[crisp kestrel]

yeh, I want to prepare for a corporate job that holds a SWE tag in short...
I am exploring various technologies which are in demand...

[fringe sphinx]

I think many people focus on the wrong thing: they focus on the hot tech, rather than developing basic competency and skills. Focusing on the keywords often leaves you shallow. Instead, consider learning at a deeper level more fundamental skills: GitHub, ci/cd, testing, DevOps, various clean code practices and methodologies, etc.

So, I suggest; don’t specialize, generalize, to maximize your opportunities.

[silver jacinth]

Some countries aren't hiring devs even for new grads like here in Canada so it's best to stay with your current employer until the market is back

[echo moat]

is a 3.5gpa in highschool good? 😭

[tiny lagoon]

I'm done with skill on html and css where and how can I find job or earn money

[lone trail]

someone expert here?

[crisp stream]

I don't think most people are ever "done" with skills in tech, least of all web dev.
Also, even entry-level frontend jobs would require knowledge and basic experience of more than HTML and CSS

[crisp stream]

Expert in what? What would you ask an expert?

Reminder that we're not a recruitment board.

[lone trail]

I am having trouble in downloading the app ;-;

[crisp stream]

I think your question is better asked in an off-topic channel

[lone trail]

alright

[crisp stream]

We're not a recruitment board.

[civic slate]

Hello, I am looking to connect with smart contract devs who know how to launch a new crypto coin.

Kindly connect with me if that's you! ✅

[tawdry sleet]

@civic slate
hello
I can help you.

[kindred oyster]

this aint a hiring server

[visual nova]

Hello, I'm a beginner on python and I want to know how do you guys act as a self-employed developer, there are someone who can explain this to me?

[next bramble]

Hello. I'm sort of an amateur in python. I've done a few projects like keyloggers and tcp chatrooms but I don't really know where to go from here. I'm a cyber security student by the way

[ivory compass]

I think its best to think of a role you are aiming for then create projects tailored for that

cuz Python is such a varied field

[next bramble]

I feel like I'm more inclined towards penetrative testing. Hence my project on keyloggers

[ivory compass]

perhaps then its best to look at jobs and seeing their requirements, understand what exactly they are looking for then create projects based on that

[next bramble]

That makes sense. Thanks

[buoyant seal]

Cyber security for good measure today assumes person will be dealing with infrastructure, working with ensuring automated security measures and implementing security at the level of dev workflow
Consider exploring infrastructure as a code / DevOps engineering stuff

Tech:

• Basic networking is nice to know https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/head-first-networking/9780596804398/
• learn how to use Linux
• https://www.amazon.com/Docker-Deep-Dive-Nigel-Poulton/dp/1916585256 Docker
• https://www.amazon.com/Terraform-Running-Writing-Infrastructure-Code/dp/1098116747 Terraform + AWS
• it can be continued into https://www.amazon.com/Kubernetes-Book-Version-November-2018-ebook/dp/B072TS9ZQZ kubernetes, or Salt/Ansible, or GCP/Azure
  • or learning how to deal with monitoring/logging/tracing systems (crucial stuff for security). They can be even auto scanning application/hosts/docker images for security vulnerabilities. Otherwise how to monitor security breaches

Theory:

• https://sre.google/books/

P.S. that will open for you paths towards DevOps engineering job roles, and who knows, may be even DevSecOps in a future

[next bramble]

Thanks a lot

[buoyant seal]

u a welcome. added few points

[turbid pebble]

Hello,
I kind of stuck at my own way of thinking and starting to lose faith if my plan getting a junior job will work, although I did not send any CV yet because I don't feel good enough and my project is not finished yet like I want it and plan it,
so I currently doing a project that back-end focused for portfolio so figma/murial planing models, python django, connecting with some mysql large database, basic front end, etc. everything done by myself and I wondering If It will be enough or to much of a too general and should focus on one
also later I want to add some technical documentations write by my own and write some tests cases with Selenium Postman also everything on my own, if my junior backend python plan fail I wanted to try Testing jobs or other related job

My question will this one project by enough if I do fancy and big enough or is hard to tell or is it better to have at least two or more small projects?
Also are there some recommend courses sites with certificat that I can do and add to cv? there are so many of them I don't know which one to chose or start with or should I do guessing game I buy with highest rate ? I am currently self taught and documantion + youtube knowledge, but I got the feeling my knowledge is out dated and I can not keep up

[mint oracle]

Share ur resume!

[mint oracle]

I think if u have not experience yet u need to mention atleast 2 project may be a big one or small one
3is good number

[silver jacinth]

If my entire program of 50 students can't find internships, you'll be hard pressed to find a junior role as well. There's serious competition

We need an internship in our co-op but no one wants to hire us and spots are limited

[mint oracle]

I am agree with you! Competition in tech is all time high nowdays

[silver jacinth]

• you got all the devs being laidoff

So they'll eat up these positions

[mint oracle]

For getting job U need luck with skills

[buoyant seal]

I kind of stuck at my own way of thinking and starting to lose faith if my plan getting a junior job will work, although I did not send any CV yet because I don't feel good enough and my project is not finished yet like I want it and plan it,
person is never ready. So we could say we are always are ready 😅 just a matter to present ourselves in a selling enough way, pressing on right buttons.

so I currently doing a project that back-end focused for portfolio so figma/murial planing models, python django, connecting with some mysql large database, basic front end, etc. everything done by myself and I wondering If It will be enough or to much of a too general and should focus on one
#career-advice message
#career-advice message
i did put some advices there regarding pet projects
i find criterias 3 and 4 rather important for pet projects

3. also important for me for project to be in demand by some other people, or by me for everyday usage. I don't like to make stuff that will not be used. Project needs living capacity, then it will be evolving infinity time til more mature and nicer state. At least I am obligated to be the everyday user of the made project or other people.
4. also i choose topics i am very enthusiastic about, may be those projects resolve some original personal problem, may be just personal fun. Enthusiasm matters... it is the fuel to make the pet projects, or at least "kicker in the ass" to get started and continue
   though the point i made about unit testing is very important too for python developed stuff.
   Selenium/postman is bad approach if doing them without unit tests. Unit tests should be first, Selenium postman is auxilary as second/fourth stuff

My question will this one project by enough if I do fancy and big enough
yes, u will be evaluated by the one biggest/best project u have anyway

[buoyant seal]

Also are there some recommend courses sites with certificat that I can do and add to cv?
backend devs strongly benefit from AWS certifications. anything above Cloud Practioner will be valued

[buoyant seal]

I am currently self taught and documantion + youtube knowledge, but I got the feeling my knowledge is out dated and I can not keep up
well, that's not the easiest path. Consider getting CS degree, it will be path of least resistance.
4+ years of practice do matter during uni and developed soft skills and solid education in fundamentals

[buoyant seal]

If It will be enough or to much of a too general and should focus on one
also later I want to add some technical documentations write by my own and write some tests cases with Selenium Postman also everything on my own
https://www.amazon.com/Unit-Testing-Principles-Practices-Patterns/dp/1617296279
https://www.amazon.com/Test-Driven-Development-Kent-Beck/dp/0321146530
learn unit testing and make sure to implement it with unittest/pytest for your project. it is very important quality for any commercial level project

documentation does matter too though. Stuff with mkdocs, markdown, or sphinx+autodoc can be added depending on needs
but the true evolution of your project maturity will happen only if it will be in use by someone (even if by you only). So best to think of projects u will be using everyday in your life

[dusty moon]

Once you earn your first bachelors your high degree becomes obsolete.

[ivory compass]

That's right about testing and documentation but be aware even in big companies there may be no testing for like legacy code or documentation. If there is documentation could be poor. Just don't come with an unrealistic expectation that the perfect software world exist with thorough testing, good practices and well documented code

[true harness]

actually, why do you have 2 bachelor's

[ivory compass]

Don't over think it too much. what you did is impressive and you achieved a lot. Indeed there is more to learn but in the end if your aim is a job then your focus should be tailored towards that. I used to overthink like that before "Oh I had to create all these projects just to get noticed", it's not that serious. The first step is getting the interview then the next steps are conquering the other stages

[dusty moon]

@true harness Mathematics and computer science are complementary fields. A degree in mathematics gives you strong analytical and problem-solving skills , while a degree in computer science provides knowledge of programming, software development, and computer systems. Possessing a diverse skill set can enhance one's prospects of securing employment.

[mint oracle]

||Everyone want's more||

[true harness]

I would argue that it would have been a much better use of time to do an MS rather than another BS

[mint oracle]

U have mathematics degree! Cool! I like math

but I don't like cordinate geometry

[dusty moon]

You're probably right but the bachelors was a fifth of the price and much faster to do.

[dusty moon]

I regret not pursuing engineering initially, haha. It's what I aspire to specialize in for my master's degree.

[mint oracle]

Why regret when u have 2 degree!

[dusty moon]

Math proofs tend to be highly theoretical and may not directly contribute to securing employment opportunities.

[mint oracle]

Yeah Agree!

[true harness]

aren't masters typically shorter than bachelors though?

[dusty moon]

Yes, typically. However, mathematics and computer science frequently have overlapping classes, which can expedite graduation.

[true harness]

i mean sure, but you're not just trying to collect degrees right? you're trying to learn things

[dusty moon]

@true harness I'm simply seeking employment; any learning I do is just a byproduct.

[hearty island]

rejected by ericsson 💀

[fervent python]

You have a cool nickname

[true harness]

why go for another BS at all then? wouldn't the first BS be enough for getting a job?

[dusty moon]

@true harness It makes sense to assume that, but no matter what I believe, the current market demands a higher level of specialization.

[crisp stream]

Oof. You'll get 'em next time.

[gritty rivet]

Specialization would be a graduate degree. A second BS is the opposite of specialization.

[mint oracle]

Nexttime Reject Ericsson!

Share ur interview experience bro!
Questions role?

[near ocean]

Isnt an MS 2 years in the states? BSs take longer and usually cost more, dont they?

[true harness]

yes. i'm not sure where they are though

[analog sun]

Yes, and my gut feeling is that the first BS is the full 4 years, but the second one would be shorter

[true harness]

at least my school has "residency requirements". you must do a certain number of credits in that department. i think it's like 45 credits in the department

but even if it would be faster, if you wanted more employability you wouldn't get another B.S, you would get an M.S., which is more specific to the subject area

[plush summit]

Just write an email that you reject their rejection letter

[dusty moon]

@true harness I didn't anticipate the level of consternation this information would generate lol. I live in The US&A.

[true harness]

"united states and america". but this discussion has mostly been theoretical. you can't really go back and undo the BS, lol

[near ocean]

They could do an MS but its probably not necessary

[near ocean]

Did you try to enter the industry after your first BS?

[dusty moon]

@near ocean Yes but the internship ended sadly.

[peak halo]

you can't ask for jobs here.

[faint musk]

Ow, ok

[near ocean]

What about permanent roles

[turbid pebble]

I ashamed to admit but I do have a Bachelor Degree in Computer Science made 6 years ago, the moment I finished I was so tired of it back then I did not continue Master degree because there where no joy in it also could not find work did some interview but still nothing (my co-student did not have luck either with few exception ) so I re-industries 2 times during those 6 years, maybe this time I will have more luck or its stay as hobby 😅
I appreciate all the links and information I will save them and read them

[silver jacinth]

just go into a different sector 🤷‍♂️

that's what I'll probably do, just gonna go into finance rather than applying endlessly for a job. My cs degree is probably trash rn

[grave pelican]

....

[silver jacinth]

yeah go into sector

[fervent python]

Anyone here a machine learning engineer

[grave pelican]

Yo guys, I got a question. It is clearly out of context but if you want then feel free to answer. So, I gotta choose high school now, got like 5 more days to. But it is kind of a hard choice, this is because of two factors. One, I am not sure if I am choosing some technical program (programming (it got some orientations in it, web- and app development or game development) and information technology) or economics. Two, my parents live two hours away from each other, currently living with my dad, and I am not sure which one to live at. Both got really good opportunities, just the question if I wanna explore some of the world and go to my mom and get a fresh start (I will be going to my dad at weekends and breaks). Or stay and keep my life here. You got any tips or questions I can ask myself to come to a conclusion?? Appreciate it 🙂

[pine sleet]

What do you mean by "choose high school"? Are you in middle school at the moment looking for high schools to go to?

Also, are you in the U.S?

[dusty moon]

That's why after I graduate this Spring with my CS , I will begin my masters in Engineering, CS is very saturated right now tbh.

[gritty rivet]

So the question is whether you should focus your high school studies on programming or economics? That's a weird choice but you should do whichever interests you more

Weird in the sense that having such specializations in HS is not something I've heard of

[pine sleet]

Yeah, it doesn't really matter what you do in HS in the US as far as careers are concerened. it's mainly a stepping stone for university (and also the HS diploma)

[harsh river]

(unless your high school offers elective technical courses that can earn local college credits which are accepted credits at any college, one of my old HS does that)

[grave pelican]

Sweden, im 16 this year

[grave pelican]

Well choosing which hs to go to and what the extra or main focus will be

[hearty island]

after some substantial investigative work into uhg, i figured out that they went with an internal candidate 😐

a former intern

[torpid birch]

Is there like a good diagram of career paths with python? I know some but I want to check if something else also fits for me. Currently in IT automating stuff, had the opportunity to create this “job offer” inside but I see no going forward honestly. Too many hoops and slow downs for the processes

Can’t even get a decent laptop, the standard one is good for CLI stuff but as soon as I put up some more code and include databases or multi thread the thin cannot compute 🙂, they have a process to request a better specked machine for devs but my boss does not want to talk to the manager about that.

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe tell us more about your education and experience?

[grave pelican]

what programming language is the best to learn??? I could see it very fun in the future being someone solving problems, handling back end etc...

[smoky quest]

languages are tools like a screwdriver.
So the question is not what is better between a screwdriver and a drill, but more about what you can do with them.

In terms of career, a CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities

[torpid birch]

Ah sorry, high school in eletronics, a level higher in Networking routing and switching but no certs.
Self learned python and started making scripts for info gather and configuration change en mass for my company (ISP)
This was always a side project, i was hired for Networking, mainly to accompany field services when installing network equipments on the clients.
After two years i got some recognition and had the chance to create a project based on automating config change / config/info gathering and some more stuff.
I am currently developing a django website to assist with config generation.

[smoky quest]

sounds like anything automation would be a good fit. Especially in the realm of network, clouds, devops, etc.

[grave pelican]

ty

[buoyant seal]

C#/C++ = desktop game development (somewhat partially android dev).
C# = Desktop Windows development + Backend development
Java/Kotlin = Android development, also Backend development and even Desktop development too (JetBrains IDEs are made with it). Also possible to develop minecraft mods 😅
Javascript/Typescript = interactive web application openable from browser. (Also desktop/mobile development, hello Electron and apps like Discord and VSCode)
Python/PHP/Ruby = Backend development, scripts, server side logic for web
Python = also machine learning
Golang = Backend development + Web infrastructure tools to make with zero dependencies. + developer tools nice to make in general from CLI to TUI and etc.
Assembly/C/C++/Rust? may be some other work for embedded development.
Swift = Ios/Macos i heard

Each has its own other applications that i may be missed

[torpid birch]

I actually searched that and looks like it should be a bit more network focused than programming, so focusing on networking would the go to in this case.
THe issue is that at the moment i feel better at the developing part, lost the love for networking apparently 😄

[smoky quest]

you can still use it as a spring board to get into adjacent topics.
For instance SRE can be quite development heavy

[grave pelican]

Appreciate it!!

[coral hedge]

Any idea where I can find someone to help finish development of an app, mostly the Android/iOS side of things? I've never had to reach out for this before, so anything would help! I'm also broke, so that doesn't help my situation much.

[rugged lagoon]

Pray to lord Johnson and put your app publicly on github, if its gud stranger might help lol

[coral hedge]

Yeah, I'm not sure that's going to work in this situation...thanks anyways.

[buoyant seal]

1. outsourcing companies can help to finish it if not too much broke
2. if completely broke = then learning programming yourself is an option as well 😅
3. if project is open source = then publishing and github and may be someone will be interested enough to check it

[smoky quest]

It may help to put yourself in that other person: why would they work on your app? what's their incentive?
From there you can find better ways to target them and entice them

[rugged lagoon]

Or if ur partially a business you can scam people for free work by promising them something to say on their next jobs application, pretty unethical if ya ask me

[buoyant seal]

😅 giving as homework to finish this app during interview for job

[rugged lagoon]

💀 pls no, I got scammed one dud asked me to do the ENTIRE month work to see if I fits in the company

[buoyant seal]

oh, lets extend it further into hiring for almost free during probabation period then

[coral hedge]

Yeah, thanks guys, but none of these seem like what I'm looking for. The app is under an NDA atm, so I'm not at liberty to share publicly, just need help getting it on phones. I've built the program and algorithms, just don't know how to port it over is all.

[rugged lagoon]

Dud are you my scammer?

[rugged lagoon]

You cant expect free work to go with privacy, unless you scout around china 💀💀💀

[buoyant seal]

😅 nah, just the dude that already went through those phases.
I can offer another scamming strategy that people tried to get me with:

• Let's split (future) proffits, but you do it for free! 😅
• my idea! 50% of a proffit to me!

[rugged lagoon]

Heck nah, if there's a source code or a damn good idea I'm taking that crab and run

[buoyant seal]

well, we were kidding. of course don't scam people.
Check may be an option for outsourcing can work for you? pretty much people for hiring to complete stuff (They could do it rather professionally may be with some good enough chance, but definitely not going to be cheap)
Freelancers are (very very) very unreliable but even cheaper option (too much high chance throwing money to an air)
Well, or completeting on your own

[rugged lagoon]

Ngl your best bet is prob hiring a China's worker

[coral hedge]

I guess I'm on my own then...Thanks anyways.

[buoyant seal]

https://www.freelancer.com/
well, otherwice check stuff like that.. but well, it is very complicated to set requirements right and receive solution u really needed

could be fitting your money wallet... high chance they will do completely not what u needed though 😅

[torpid birch]

Still trying to figure out if i want to keep going with networking, that is why i asked if there was like a diagram with what kind of jobs python could offer 😄

Also where i work IT in general gets a shit pay, legit shit. I can give you the example that a rent for a small apartment is 700+ and the average for a IT person is 1000 Euros

and 700 for rent is like the lowest you can get, so you need to be really lucky to even get in time

My play is to work form here to other country or just completely move out

[smoky quest]

it's like asking what kind of jobs have screwdrivers. It's just a tool. And it's a tool used in almost everywhere

I understand it's not the list you were looking for, but it can be used all the way to automate stuff like you did, to building blood splatter visualization for the police, to scrape the web to detect cats on videos, to be embedded in art installations, etc.

[buoyant seal]

python is usable at least for backend development, devops engineering, system administration, data engineering, data satanism / machine learning, may be even CMS development
in reality for each direction u need a plenty of array of other skills and knowledge or other kind of requirements
So once any direction is chosen, it is relatively easy from some point jumping between languages. because a lot of other stuff is already known from relevant ecosystem/skills/common patterns and best practices

[torpid birch]

Thanks to both 🙂

I will need to decide what i want to follow up then, i understood the message, python is a tool which will help out when branching from other areas

[silver jacinth]

We graduate at 17 from highschool

I'm 19 and graduating college this year

[burnt carbon]

What is the the minimum age for a career with coding?

[harsh river]

the legal age in whatever country you're trying to get a job in

[cyan lantern]

entry level people, how are you guys networking for jobs currently? any tips?

[true harness]

job fairs, conferences

[near ocean]

Add all your classmates on linkedin

[gritty rivet]

Classmates really are a key resource. One of mine mentioned he failed a tech assessment and I asked him about the details... That's how I found my first and current dev job

[wicked parcel]

Hey! Can I share my freelance particular lessons on this channel? I mean if it is allowed

[smoky quest]

Hi!
We don't do ads

[wicked parcel]

alright!!!

tks

[silver jacinth]

just post on linkedin

although for any non tech jobs I can just show em my cv then they call back in like 2 days. For tech stuff its fucked

the problem is most of these jobs have a ton of competition

[blissful rampart]

hi

[cyan lantern]

do you mean doing software for non-tech companies or just non-tech jobs? also whats a cv

[silver jacinth]

non tech jobs like finance, had no problem getting jobs related to that

cv is your resume

[dusty moon]

@cyan lantern The challenge with career fairs lies in the fact that many employers no longer accept physical resumes; instead, they require scanning a QR code. Additionally, recruiters often will not divulge their contact details. Thus, the optimal approach is to enumerate the companies present, apply online, and hope that the algorithm works in your favor. Career Fairs are mostly for advertisement.

[true harness]

i've never had a recruiter not tell me their linkedin or email if i asked. additionally, most companies have a specific portal/opening for job fair applicants, which they might give special treatment, so applying online is not the best way to do it. i got my internship this summer at a job fair

[wet swallow]

can i get a job without a collage degree

[kindred oyster]

yes*

[deft herald]

Sure there are lots of jobs out there that don't require degrees. But are you looking for a job that requires programming? There are much fewer options

If your question is actually "can I get a job without putting in a lot of work first?" Then the answer is no

[brazen dove]

Anyone who's not from NA or EU, how hard is it to get remote jobs that pay in dollars or euros?

[harsh river]

very hard.

unless you're in a country where speaking english is not common and english speakers are needed.

[brazen dove]

What I meant was working for european or north american companies who hire people from other countries so they can pay less lol

I've worked in that format as a PHP developer for a Latvian company but god I don't wish to go back to PHP

[summer roost]

they wouldn't pay you in dollars or euros, they'd pay you in your local currency

[brazen dove]

From personal experience and a couple of friends they do that yeah but the salary agreements are in the company's ccy

[summer roost]

typically they'd operate a business unit in your country and hire people in your country and pay them in your country's local currency, or they'd set up a contract with a company that's based in your country and contract work out to that company, and that company would hire local developers and pay them in your country's local currency

it's rare to hire individual developers in a country where your company doesn't operate

[brazen dove]

I've actually found a few opportunities like that, never got callbacks tho

[smoky quest]

Without callbacks, they aren't qualified opportunities yet

I would also suggest to work backward from your goal: why would a company go out of their way to hire remotely someone neither in the USA nor in EU and to fund an account in USD. Including all the efforts to stay legit and ensure taxes and benefits are properly taken care of.

[muted bridge]

whats a more important minor for ML, math or data science?

[harsh river]

ML is math at its core

[safe locust]

is this resume enough to apply in google summer internship ?? please tell me guys i need some guidence.

[sullen rose]

@upbeat osprey it might be ambiguous however I’ve done 15% of it already, realistically all it is a really well tuned chat terminal to google, but with inputs, and memory.

It’s really quite basic, it just has a lot of sub-features that make it “advanced” but it’s all quite simple when you break it down.

[turbid bobcat]

Hi, don't mask the links or preface them with a title, just do like GitHub.com/username, no https//www.

Highschool is unnecessary

Skills section should be 3 lines maximum

Order of sections is conventionally:

• Skills
• Work Experience
• Projects
• Education

Achievements section is usually not used as the achievements are better listed within their context

Look into XYZ formula for the bullet points

[turbid bobcat]

Skills section can be removed to open space for bullet points, the bullet points themselves should mention the stack you used

Don't use a bullet point for the role itself

[vital wyvern]

Nit: Agree with the achievements comment by pedantic_propegation, but also... I misread your Geeks for Geeks distinction bullet as you're performing below the 50th percentile in your university, which is... not something I would put on a resume.

[edgy shard]

oh shi, can you take a look at my CV too?

[torpid birch]

Do you guys accept all the recruiters invites on linked in?

I need to start working on my profile and also be more active

want to gtfo of this job asap

[edgy shard]

i need to get a graduate job asapcos i am about tograduate

[near ocean]

No, no bots
I only accept recruiters from companies im interested in or recruiters with common connections

[turbid bobcat]

Sure

Omg this last interview was so bad I can't even, the person on the other side was so disrespectful

[edgy shard]

ohh no pdfs rippp but yes i have my email address phone number underneath my full name but removed it

although not sure why that PDF isn't my up to date one, this one is my up to date one, sorry

[turbid bobcat]

Remove summary, that's more of a senior thing

Keep it to one page

Bullet points max 2 lines, ideally 1

Personal interests is not necessary

All the points I made for the other resume largely apply here too

[edgy shard]

oo okok thank you

[vital wyvern]

Frankly I'd look into a more widely adopted template. I can tell this was made in Word using the default headings, and I'm not sure it lends itself well to the resume layout or look in general.

[turbid bobcat]

@edgy shard https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MMD6z0_kRLelXUYbLU99ma8UyY9eUDsfpz2ttuHXsUI/edit this is the recommended template for engineering roles

[near ocean]

Is that danish lorem ipsum?

[turbid bobcat]

I never noticed it ahah

I've been doing so much resume review lately

[safe locust]

What do you and @turbid bobcat mean then shall I fully remove the achievements sections ?

[vital wyvern]

You can typically substantiate achievements through other portions of your resume.

[safe locust]

It's already very below bruh.

[turbid bobcat]

The bullet points under the jobs and education are meant to be the achievements already

[vital wyvern]

[near ocean]

G4G cert is not really an achievement
Is CFG code first girls?

I would also remove hacktoberfest as it has turned out to be quite the shitshow recently

[turbid bobcat]

Oh I just learned of this recently, dear gooood

[safe locust]

Do you have a perfect resume template ? For that then tbh I have to apply in Google with that.

My ats score is like 66 as of now removing school.

[turbid bobcat]

This one was constructed with input from a lot of hiring managers

[turbid bobcat]

I also suggest first trying other companies, don't go right for what you want, have like a grace period where you test your resume against the market

[safe locust]

Thanks man.

[torpid birch]

Well damn 😄 i made one recently and i don't really followed that

[white relic]

there are many good resume templates out there. You don't need to pick any particular one, as long as your resume contains the relevant information and is well organized.
If you want feedback on yours, feel free to post it here (with personal/sensitive information censored)

[torpid birch]

I guess i can share, 1 sec

[hearty island]

i use jake's resume

[stiff sinew]

guys can someone hack me beacuse he said that i have to test his game so he will give me something

[fringe sphinx]

I have no idea what this means, but this is the #career-advice. Not on-topic.

[fringe sphinx]

Reduce to one page. Skills could be shorter. No education block? The experience reads like GPT.

[torpid birch]

Yes the experience was done in GPT4, i just gave him what i did and copied but it really seems ai made

Didn't use this one yet, need to adjust it

[true harness]

it looks like you took every word from a thesaurus

[fringe sphinx]

As soon as I saw "pioneered", I knew it was GPT.

[turbid bobcat]

Remove profile, skills should be 3 lines max

Professional experience -> work experience

Remove graphical icons

Bullet points should reach to the end of the margin

Spoken languages can be grouped into skills

1 page

Where is education

Address is a bit unnecessary too

[fringe sphinx]

Also, your profile doesn't need to resummarize your experience & projects. You probably don't even need a Profile. (agreeing with PSV)

[turbid bobcat]

Yeah profile is more for seniors and even then it's like a 2 lines kinda thing

[torpid birch]

Ok let me redo everything, will share later, thanks for the feedback

[hearty island]

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs i use this

[turbid bobcat]

They sent me the next step, the email seems to be more respectful and agreeable to my values, it comes from another person within the same company, possibly higher ranking, unsure.

I'm still gauging if I should walk away or not.

Like, the person that interviewed me was not a tech person at all, 0 XP in it. It was so bizarre.

[fringe sphinx]

What was context here?

[turbid bobcat]

First interview, person was disrespectful during it, played down my experience due to it being remote and in the end didn't know what leetcode is when I asked if there was an option for it instead of take home, acted quite negatively towards it too.

[torpid birch]

Need to change "engineer", i ain't that, i am a specialist or something lke that, don't really have a title

[fringe sphinx]

I wouldn't necessarily overthink this... interviews are weird for interviewers too: some people come across really negatively in it, especially engineers who are looking for "faults".

[turbid bobcat]

Uhm, I don't really want to negate my instinct here. If someone is rude during an interview, in my experience it translates to how they act on the job, it has been a perfect isomorphism til now. I've observed the exact same thing but in the other direction.

It looks a lot better, I'm sure you can write more stuff, you just don't remember it yet. A common trick is to just write wtv comes to mind and filter out later.

Probably good to pad your resume with projects.

[fringe sphinx]

Also, you could put use two lines for the header of each company: Title - Dates on line 1 and company name on line 2. To pad things more

[turbid bobcat]

Ah, note that your resume is not fully anon, I pinpointed your country already, mask your education

[torpid birch]

eh, fair point

[torpid birch]

Where should i add a picture? Where i live they take this into consideration

[turbid bobcat]

No they don't, if they do skip them

[true harness]

surely you can't speak for every country in the world

[torpid birch]

Unfortunally i cannot avoid such thing, it's just rooted here. What i can do is apply for outside jobs and honestly is what i want to do.
Told this earlier but currently i get 1300 w/o taxed. 1k with taxes. It's shit. Can't cover living expenses even

[turbid bobcat]

He's from my country

[torpid birch]

Fair enough, different experiences

[turbid bobcat]

I've had a lot of interviews here, never used a picture.

[torpid birch]

I tried not having a picture for a while, and what i felt is that i had a lot less interviews than when i added a picture

[pliant rapids]

how much python knowledge is required to get into game dev/robotics?

[torpid birch]

mind if i ask in what line of work you are currently?

[turbid bobcat]

I can only speak for my experience, but I can assure you that I've interviewed quite a lot here.

[turbid bobcat]

At the time I was applying for software engineer roles, at the moment I'm an MLE, but haven't worked for a national company for most of my work experience

[torpid birch]

Oh so you actually found out companies that employ you from overseas? I work for a national and it's shit $ wise 😄

but honsetly, i do not have much of a career, working for 3 years now, close to 4

[turbid bobcat]

Yes, I tried to find one asap, national companies are a waste of time unfortunately.

[turbid bobcat]

You need to improve your resume, presentation matters a lot. I'm sure you can squeeze out more bullet points from those 3 years

[torpid birch]

indeed, max i got offered until the moment was 1800 but i was still taking my driving lessons and they wanted someone who could drive asap, so they refused me.
I will add some more stuff to the resume, i even forgot to add my new project with django. Will post again later.

[turbid bobcat]

Yeah that is pretty bad even for our standards. It's also pretty common to see discrimination like ageism, so I get why you say a picture might make a positive difference, but honestly, I would optimize for EU/US standards and not national ones.

[torpid birch]

Oh and i don't think i can get something better with my current skillset, afaik there is way more requirements other than what i currently have. But study and projects are key

[turbid bobcat]

Sure, but I insist that you keep trying to remember more things.

The other day on the react discord there was someone who refused to list a project on their resume, after 30min of battle, he discovers that he had a vs code plugin coded by him with 4k downloads

Doing projects on GitHub is also a good way to demonstrate practical experience and that you are upskilling

[torpid birch]

I am currently adding more stuff, you are right i have a lot more projects, some small some large. Unfortunally all of them are for my company so i can't share the code. But yes i can add them to the resume. I will add the ones that had more impact inside my department

[turbid bobcat]

Cool, keep posting here, Ive been doing a lot of resume review, it helps me build up XP for making my own resume

[torpid birch]

RPGing life i see

[turbid bobcat]

Yes, life is but a simulacra of reality, generated by the brain to predict what a person would do if it were real.

[torpid birch]

Added some more projects that made a difference in the department

[turbid bobcat]

Don't indent the bullet points, keep them at their original level

"Developed automation solutions", this implies there were several, list them out instead of grouping them into one bullet point, same goes for the other bullet points

If the projects are company projects, its best to absorb their bullet points into the work experience

You're also missing the months in your dates

The project section is more for code that you can show on GitHub, personal projects, etc

You mention MySQL in the body, but not on the skills section

[torpid birch]

you mean this part right? i am trying but idk why i can't 😄

[turbid bobcat]

You can ofc, that's their original position in the template

[torpid birch]

Without bullet point and when i add the bullet point

And when i go to change level, it already shows the first one

[turbid bobcat]

Use the ruler right below the menus

There's an arrow somewhere, you gotta play with it for a while

[true harness]

use latex 😃

[turbid bobcat]

Latex is nice, I dropped it tho, because it was taking so long due to the compilation step

[torpid birch]

lol found something that worked, changed ident level worked

[turbid bobcat]

Yeah like you write something, it has to compile it into pdf b4 you know how it looks

[true harness]

that's super fast though

[turbid bobcat]

Might depend on the computer ig, it would take like 1 or 2 sec for me

[torpid birch]

Developed automation solutions is the projects i did under that

[turbid bobcat]

Yeah but list them out, what were the solutions ? What did you do to make them into reality ? What metrics can you write about your impact ?

[torpid birch]

If i add more the the current file i will go to the second page, is that ok?

[turbid bobcat]

Yes for now, the priority is to get more stuff in, then you filter out to get it back to 1 page

There's several misuses of space in your resume, so I wouldn't even worry about it

[silver jacinth]

your bullet points are different sizes, also imo you should remove the spacing after each bullet point. It'll save space

[turbid bobcat]

i got another interview tomorrow, I kinda regret scheduling these in the morning >.>

[acoustic wigeon]

Hello how can I input a text file into python

[gritty rivet]

This is the career channel, please take note

@halcyon cove: there's #web-development and also a dedicated Django Discord server

@acoustic wigeon : try #python-discussion etc.

[vapid jay]

How can I make pyhton file to exe

[regal axle]

Ask in #python-discussion or #1035199133436354600. But tldr; you totally can, it just is not super easy in every single use case

[torpid birch]

m8, changed some stuff and did the following to the projects:

• Challenged faced
• What was used to solve the challenge
• What were the results
  Also changed the alignment and added months to the experience

[turbid bobcat]

looking much better, now move the projects to work experience, they are not your personal projects and people might assume they are at first glance

remove the skills section and boldface the skills instead

[torpid birch]

Should i give it another title? Or just delete the Projects title and keep the other stuff under?

[near ocean]

You dont need 8 bullet points for a personal project, you could also cut down your margins to fit everything in one page

[turbid bobcat]

no, it should be under work experience and under the actual company where it was made, you gotta make the work experience section look thick

[near ocean]

Oh its not even a personal project, its work stuff

[turbid bobcat]

yeah thats what im saying

[near ocean]

Also the text in the projects section reads like a single paragraph split into bullet points
You dont need phrases like

• "Due to the necessity of ..."
• "Due to the creation of ..."
• "Due to a change in ..."
• "Due to the daily influx of configurations ..."
  You sure do love the word "due"

Youre not being graded, this isnt an essay

[turbid bobcat]

he's iterating rn, in a bit it will be tme to start transforming them into XYZ

but getting stuff out of the brain is the hard part, ive seen this happen so many times

[oak bane]

Delete Begianer describing word, at least some dude on YouTube said that

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @oak bane until <t:1707415100:f> (10 minutes) (reason: attachments spam - sent 8 attachments).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[analog sun]

!unmute 1205204477519462430

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: pardoned infraction timeout for @oak bane.

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @oak bane until <t:1707415287:f> (10 minutes) (reason: attachments spam - sent 8 attachments).

The <@&831776746206265384> have been alerted for review.

[true harness]

💀

[fringe sphinx]

@oak bane Stop pasting 8 attachments.

!unmute 1205204477519462430

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: pardoned infraction timeout for @oak bane.

[oak bane]

How many can i send?

[fringe sphinx]

What is it?

[oak bane]

Resume

[true harness]

shouldn't it just be one ?

[tender thicket]

There isn't really that good of a reason to post an 8 page resume here

if you're looking for help, that's a lot of stuff to go over

if you're providing an example, that's, again, not being specific with what your example is--presumably you should be able to narrow it down to one or two pages, and possibly even a subset of that that you could just screencap

[fringe sphinx]

Just repeating what others have said... let's start with 1.

[tender thicket]

It's like an 800 line pull request. The tools reject it because it's too big and clogs the review works

[fringe sphinx]

👀 Hey, you don't need to attack me.

[tender thicket]

If only it were just 800 lines

and not 2000

or more

[fringe sphinx]

Of SQL 🙂

[tender thicket]

Anyway, the size of the input you give (IE: your message, your pull request, your resume) is directly correlated with the amount of effort it takes to engage. With the amount of automated parsing tools these days it gets kind of fucky, but brevity is just important generally. If your resume is too long, people are just going to discard it because why should they waste that time on just one candidate when they could select from 2-3 more in the same time instead?

Just because it's a resume doesn't mean it's not writing. And writers need to know their audience. You need to tell them what they want to know, what they need to know, and little else, because you don't want to bore them, bother them, etc

[fringe sphinx]

same (good) energy as: “If I am to speak ten minutes, I need a week for preparation; if fifteen minutes, three days; if half an hour, two days; if an hour, I am ready now.” - W. Wilson

[tender thicket]

For better or worse, you can recognize filtering out too short and too long resumes as filtering out people who are not as good at communication, which is an essential skill everywhere

[oak bane]

I smelled a little bit no nothing but asking coder to be business man

[fringe sphinx]

Can you jsut repost pages 1-2?

[torpid birch]

Added the Work experience, the company is the same. Only worked for this one with 2 different roles.
Removed the begginer, also changed a bit the wording to remove the "Due"

[turbid bobcat]

No you gotta add them bellow the company they belong to

[torpid birch]

Should i format in another way to differentiate it?

[turbid bobcat]

Now you remove the titles of the projects, it's time to work on your bullet points

[torpid birch]

Remove completely? Or just remove bold?

[turbid bobcat]

Completely remove it, the bullet points will need to make sense without them

[torpid birch]

This is a lot of stuff ahah

[turbid bobcat]

Yes, it's time to work on each one, as you do it you'll put the less impressive ones aside

[torpid birch]

What should be the formula? 😄 kinda lost now

[turbid bobcat]

XYZ

[torpid birch]

Never heard of, any guidance on it?

[turbid bobcat]

"Accomplished [X] as measured by [Y], by doing [Z]."

[fringe sphinx]

You're trying to use a resume to tell your entire story, rather than just getting across the key point: What you can do for the company?

Anyway, pedantic_propagation is on point, so won't repeat that... just consider the resumes purpose: to get to the interview. Not to land the job.

[torpid birch]

OK let me cook something up, will show up in a bit

[fringe sphinx]

In case you ahven't seen this, we cite this a lot: https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[hearty island]

^ this is what i use

[silver jacinth]

Why use latex editors

Just use a surface pro with a pen

[silver jacinth]

That's way too much for someone to read, imagine getting 100 CVS and there's more coming in each day and there's 1 recruiter

[oak bane]

You System suck and your code is like that trash too.

[tender thicket]

That's a lot of hostility for someone who was trying to be helpful

[silver jacinth]

Résumés should be one page, otherwise you got a novel

[tender thicket]

If you're upset at how the bot filters work, we're open source and are very willing to have conversations on the settings and how they're implemented. You can speak in #community-meta or in modmail about it.

[jovial bay]

So i listed everything on there, need fresh eyes to take a look at

[turbid bobcat]

Hi, one page single column is the industry standard

[white relic]

you have something highlighting spelling errors in red, some of them may be false positives but most of them look like genuine misspellings (e.g. multiporceesing, prodcuts). definitely want to pay attention to that

also not a fan of the 2 column thing

[silver jacinth]

way too long

also put your websites on a single site to link

your cv is meant to highlight your skills then your portfolio fills in all the technical stuff

also never link udemy unless you made the courses, those certs are useless

if you want to get certified, go after the ibm or nvidia ones as those are recognized. There's gdc coming up if you want to try their exam or workshop

I just know the nvidia ones are very hard

[jovial bay]

So Udemy not listing?

[silver jacinth]

udemy is not recognized, at least most companies won't care about it

[jovial bay]

It will lack of consistency

[silver jacinth]

if you want to get certified go after big company certs

ibm is probably the best for you since the nvidia ones are expensive, long and very very hard

[jovial bay]

I mean, then it will made like i missed many months just saying.. Also any section advice? Anything need to list anything need to drop?

Did i list too many projects? Can i drop my B.com degree as i didnt graduate and hate there?

[silver jacinth]

Personally I would remove those udemy and youtube stuff. Link your projects on kaggle and you'll be good

[true harness]

what country are you in? different countries have different standards for resumes

[zealous path]

Marvel Snap Bot… I’m sure it’s pretty good but pretty sure it’s against the TOS for the game.
Don’t really wanna be admitting to that kinda stuff on a CV

[jovial bay]

Applying for remote everywhere

[silver jacinth]

well he's looking into data science so he can get remote positions anywhere

there's not a lot of people in the field, but it is still competitive. Also you probably don't need a degree unless you want big money like over 200k. There's this runescape youtuber that got a job as a ml thing and all they had was prior experience writing runescape bots

[true harness]

then you'll need to tailor your resume for the countries you're applying to

[summer roost]

There are countries where it's standard to include a photo with your application, and there are countries where including your photo with an application will cause it to be immediately rejected

You can't make one resume for all countries

[jovial bay]

Most Asia i think, i mean i still not decide.

[torpid birch]

Tried to follow that formula, used chatGPT once again on some stuff for english corrections

[vital wyvern]

Please use the LaTeX resume templates, they just look so much better

[true harness]

bro drank the kool-aid ^ (is correct though 😃)

[turbid bobcat]

How did it get smaller tho, it had a lot of stuff b4

[torpid birch]

i compiled the text into a single paragraph, tried to remove some extra details, THought that was the objective

[turbid bobcat]

Well yes that is the objective, but looked like a very sharp reduction to me

Are you sure you didn't remove potentially important stuff

[torpid birch]

I tried to maintain the core principals, the issue, how it was solved and using what. but straight to the point

[jovial bay]

For me, just for skill qualification:
as Data Engineer i need Fikka or some ETL tools like that, or redshift, and need to know data warehousing and data lake.
as Data Analyst i think i need more data analyzing project.
as Computer Vision i think i am good but i worried if i go to a company i need to share my detection algorithm,
as Data Scientist i need more machine learning and deep learning training, i'm usless right now and maybe only can be an intern.

So basically i don't know any job i can do.
I got rejected even as web scraping position

[true harness]

it's not at all reasonable to target all of these job roles at once. why not focus on a specific role that you want? you would slim down your resume and you would be able to focus more on improving your skills in that area

[jovial bay]

I want cybersecurity and big data related jobs

[vital wyvern]

Your skills section needs a lot of work.

• "TCP/IP" isn't even worth mentioning if it stands as a 'Network Concept' that you know. And frankly I wouldn't even list "network concepts" on my resume.
• "Automation Tools" isn't a tool. You want to mention specific technologies. Typically I look at a Skills section as a way to ATS-proof my resume; but all of my bullets should still support many of those skills and points.

[jovial bay]

but i know i can't get them

[silver jacinth]

still if you know your stuff you're very likely to get a job in any region rn with the ai hype

[turbid bobcat]

Be super sure of it tho, remember, your experience section has to look thick and have content to it

[silver jacinth]

if you are applying you gotta showcase your skills and why you're preferred over the next person

There isn't much data scientist positions in canada and on linkedin they get like 3 applications in a month. So you'll probably have very deep interviews I suspect

[jovial bay]

So what role i can do?

[fringe sphinx]

It's also important to note that education matters. Data Science roles are hard to land without advanced degrees: simply because the competition exists and they're going for the same jobs.

[silver jacinth]

what projects did you do?

[silver jacinth]

Check linkedin for canada data science and computer vision roles

[turbid bobcat]

Try to quantify the achievements too, "improved operational efficiency", by how much ?

[jovial bay]

I listed my projects up there, basically every projects i have done

[vital wyvern]

I happen to be a Data Analyst transitioning into Cybersecurity.
🌉 What a world we live in.

[silver jacinth]

you should use the kaggle api and link all your important projects from there. I did a similar thing with my github.

https://github.com/Iheuzio/dev
I only got one kaggle project there, but you can look at how I did it

[fringe sphinx]

You’re saying these roles have no degree requirements listed?

[silver jacinth]

its required but then again there's very few applicants

if you are experienced and did a few kaggle competitions you should be able to land a job no problem

[vital wyvern]

Here is an anonymized resume of mine. The second page is trimmed off; perhaps it can hold some insights for how you may want to structure your resume.

[torpid birch]

Didn't have a look at those yet, thanks for the remainder. Was focused on work experience

[fringe sphinx]

That contradicts what others have said here, but :shrug: Canada is a fictional place anyway.

[silver jacinth]

looks good

however I think work experience should be above everything

[jovial bay]

I did not ever want a data science role, as i don't know if i can do them. I really lack of depth analyzing skills in my imagination of master degree, so

[silver jacinth]

true but since its canada the salary is super low, like 50-70k whereas in the usa it'll be 3x that

[fringe sphinx]

That’s a personal choice imo, I usually see it at bottom

[torpid birch]

Also what kind of contents should i use for networking? I am working for this company for 3 years now, 2 of those years was networking based with Cisco and Huawei routers

[white relic]

there is a difference in pay scales between the US and Canada but not quite to that extent.

[fringe sphinx]

Man, we need to open a Canadian office

[silver jacinth]

we need more regulation in canada 😭

[jovial bay]

Can you look at me resume like what role i can do?
I was really worried about these
as Data Engineer i need Fikka or some ETL tools like that, or redshift, and need to know data warehousing and data lake.
as Data Analyst i think i need more data analyzing project.
as Computer Vision i think i am good but i worried if i go to a company i need to share my detection algorithm,
as Data Scientist i need more machine learning and deep learning training, i'm usless right now and maybe only can be an intern.
as Cybersecurity i have no certiications or anything

[fringe sphinx]

To keep me out?

[vital wyvern]

You certainly know more than just saying "TCP/IP" would indicate.
You're likely familiar with tcpdump and Wireshark to some degree (maybe), which are worthwhile tools to substantiate within your resume.
You're likely familiar with the entire OSI & TCP/IP model.
You probably know the difference between a conceptual/logical/physical network diagram.
You probably know secure configurations for networking appliances.
You might know how to establish enclaves, VLAN's, and DMZs.

[silver jacinth]

well mass immigration of under qualified people is an issue. We also need to recognize degrees from europe and asia for qualified people. There's also the issue with cost of living. Companies are profiteering off necessities like groceries and housing

[vital wyvern]

You should know a fair bit about IPv4/ICMP protocols as well. Maybe IPv6 if your workcenter is fancy; but you likely have some recognition of IPv6 at an advanced level if you're not just ignoring that portion of your network and relying on Cisco to have default configurations for everything at least.

(And if you don't, there's a custom tailored list of things to familiarize yourself with.)

[silver jacinth]

you have to showcase projects with those skills thenm also ensure that you are ready to explain everything in an interview or on your portfolio

[torpid birch]

Honestly not doing a CV in 3 years broke my brain, is stagnated and i think i know 0, you guys helping me a bunch lol
I do know those things, only thing that i am not really familliar with is wireshark.

[silver jacinth]

I hate that thing 🤮

[torpid birch]

Me writing?

[vital wyvern]

The fundamental purpose of a resume is to claim a relevant knowledgebase and demonstrate that knowledge.
When writing my resume, I went through a few job advertisements, looked at the skills they were looking for, and went "How do I prove to these people that I know this stuff?"

[true harness]

a tip for the future is to keep track of cool things you do, as soon as you do them. that way you don't have to remember what you did over 3 years

[jovial bay]

This is all my projects, currently have no machine learning and deep learning project has creating them really hard, new one

1

[vital wyvern]

You need to condense that down.

[torpid birch]

yes i am very familiar with ipv4, not so much with ipv6

I was actually preparing for CCNA before losing interest

[vital wyvern]

Your resume literally reads like it was copy-pasted from a Wordpress blogpost.

[fringe sphinx]

I’m going to preempt part of this conversation and say; we’ve already discussed the appropriateness of these projects. We don’t need to discuss it again (the conversation went off the rails last time)

[vital wyvern]

If that's what you want for your career, then it's not a bad endeavor. See if you can get your employer to pay for it.

[ivory compass]

Project description needs to be much larger than that. How would hiring manager know what they are?

[fringe sphinx]

Specifically: we don’t need to discuss whether the types of projects are appropriate, because it got really unpleasant last time

[torpid birch]

They would pay for it, but i need to move jobs asap. The pay is really really bad

[jovial bay]

This is the website template format....Can't larger than that, Any title issue?????

[vital wyvern]

Yeah, I'll touch on that briefly just because... I don't want to get in the weeds, but I will once again strongly caution against including malicious, illegal, or inappropriate projects on your resume. These are red-flags for Cybersecurity hiring mangers, who want you to be a trustworthy individual who will have access to their systems. Integrity is important, and showing that you're going to handle their systems with integrity and responsibility is fundamentally important.

What I would do is channel those skills towards a professional certification a la Security+, GSEC, etc.

[true harness]

did you see the advice about avoiding 2 column templates? and to slim it down to 1 page?

[jovial bay]

You don't want to see that, i found that really boring the resume will go to 9 pages

[white relic]

I would also recommend dropping any mention of J.A.R.V.I.S from your resume. Even if you want to design your career after chasing that goal, your resume currently doesn't demonstrate that kind of focus. Employers will likely find it odd and unprofessional (and maybe a bit confusing).

[jovial bay]

Thanks.

[white relic]

lots of people don't recommend having a goal or objective at all.

[vital wyvern]

What we're trying to say is you need to try and condense this down to a single page. You don't have a lot of relevant experience job-wise, and your projects can only carry you so far.

If you're particularly adamant that you want to include more of that information, then maybe use two pages, but I would advocate strongly against it.

[ivory compass]

It's not the font size that matter but description. It should describe more about the project. One liner won't do it

[whole flare]

I happen to be doing the reverse

[jovial bay]

So how can i condense my 10 projects to one page? In reality?

[whole flare]

remove all the useless stuff

[vital wyvern]

Eliminate the projects that have little relevance to the role you're pursuing.
Things like "Captcha Bypass" mean nothing to a company that isn't looking to... bypass Captcha's. (Which is most of them.)

[ivory compass]

Is not possible you should embrace it and make detail/good description for eaach one. Imagine a hiring manaager they want to see if you know your stuff

In the project description you can shine by showing the tech around it

[vital wyvern]

Please do not advocate for making an 8 page resume more verbose.

[jovial bay]

That's a webdriver

[true harness]

you don't need to show all 10 projects. i've made tons of projects, but i only show the best and most relevant ones on my resume

[jovial bay]

That's a webdriver, and also did my words just need some alter to descripting things? i already tried my best to make it soundable for hiring manager or recruiters

[ivory compass]

It doesn't make sense to have not much description for each project. How will they know what the project is about or stand out from the other resumes?

[vital wyvern]

Okay here's a set of steps I want you to take...
https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs
This is Jake's Resume. It is a commonly accepted resume template.
Utilizing this template, please transfer your resume here, and repost it as a single page.

[true harness]

you should have descriptions for each project. but you should not have so many projects that it goes over one page

[vital wyvern]

If you cannot fit your resume on a single page, continue to trim content and exercise brevity to ensure that it does fit.

[leaden jasper]

Your resume should be your highlight reel, not everything you've done. So what are the most impactful and important projects you've done that really showcase your skills? Focus on those, expand on those.

[vital wyvern]

I am challenging you to pick out the most impactful points of each of your projects and experience, and summarize that to me in a single page.

[jovial bay]

Because i lack of experience, if i trim my projects down it will reduce my hiring chance, also what projects should i keep if aim for data science, data analyst and data engineering?

[ivory compass]

If you have so many projects this is a good thing because it shows you are hard working and want to learn. Why shouldn't he show it off in the resume with detail description??

[leaden jasper]

Do you have experience as a hiring manager or as part of a hiring committee?

[ivory compass]

stick to showing the projects, it's a good idea

[whole flare]

because a hiring manager will see a 2+ page resume and insantly dunk it in the rejection list

[white relic]

having too many projects to show a clear focus of your skills and abilities is reducing your chances of being hired already.

[true harness]

if you have an 8 page resume, the hiring manager will just read the first page and that's it. you can't target all 3 of these job roles at the same time. the skills required are very different

[vital wyvern]

All three of these are dramatically different roles.
Being qualified as a data analyst does not qualify you as a data scientist or data engineer. They operate in the same ecosystem, but they do fundamentally different roles. I would strongly recommend picking a single role to focus on.

[whole flare]

all this resume talk got me rewriting mine

[true harness]

it shows a lack of communication ability. the candidate cannot pick what is the most relevant for the job role

[white relic]

When I was actively looking, I had three main versions of my resume for each kind of job I applied to, and I tweaked each of them according to the opportunity

[ivory compass]

Can you explain this ? I don't understand. If he has many project it shows he has the skills and ability

[vital wyvern]

If you want to play a game, I've got some time:
Find me a job you're interested in on Indeed.
I will go through that job and essentially write your resume for you by asking you a series of questions from the job posting.

You should be writing your resume in the context of the jobs you are targeting.

[whole flare]

Rem the hiring manager 🗿

[vital wyvern]

It is absolutely zero conicidence that my resume happens to mention each and every technology requested in my last job application.

[whole flare]

what if you don't know the job role you are targeting?

[white relic]

only if the person reading it has the patience to read and understand the whole thing.
if the resume doesn't lead the reader to the most important skills as quickly as possible, it has a poor signal to noise ratio

[vital wyvern]

As in, what if you don't know what you want to do when you grow up?

[true harness]

you end up with 8 pages

[harsh river]

you wanna write up my resume? it'll be empty

[whole flare]

essentially

[silver jacinth]

wireshark, we did it 2 semesters ago for packet sniffing or whatever its called

[fringe sphinx]

I spend about a minute max when screening. I’m not reading long words or reading a novel. I want to know what you know.

[whole flare]

why hate wireshark

[silver jacinth]

who's rem?

[vital wyvern]

I've done 5 career changes at this point.
EMT -> Munitions Technician -> Logistics Analyst -> Financial Analyst -> Cybersecurity... guy. (Still working on that one.)

[whole flare]

idk dude is as elusive as john cena no one has ever seen him

[jovial bay]

should i delete any project in general? in my other projects sections there are lot projects i think is not very technical heavy or advanced

[vital wyvern]

You just pick something and roll with it. If it's something you don't like, you can branch out.

[whole flare]

this is my career path:

birth -> death

[torpid birch]

What if one does not know what to search for? Let's assume this person only worked in one job and does not know if should follow development or networking? 😄

[vital wyvern]

This is kind of getting more into life advice instead of career advice 😅

[torpid birch]

👀

[leaden jasper]

The projects you showcase should be as directly related as possible to the job you're applying for. If you want, I can go through and critique each project you've listed.

[jovial bay]

should i delete any project in general? in my other projects sections there are lot projects i think is not very technical heavy or advanced
should i alter my words for describing things for recruiters?

[torpid birch]

It's cool when get at least a small hang of it. Helps you troubleshoot stuff that would take ages to figure out and way more stuff 😄

[ivory compass]

Deleting projects is bad idea

[whole flare]

Say, hypothetically speaking I made a project which utilises data analysis but my targeted job role is in cyber security, do I include it regardless?

[silver jacinth]

this is mine:
birth -> debt from school -> waste time in school -> debt -> fake death -> rich -> death

[whole flare]

are you on stage 2?

[vital wyvern]

If this is an actual question, hit me up in DM's, I'll send you some stuff.

[true harness]

if you have nothing else. but maybe you can expand other, more relevant areas?

[silver jacinth]

I forgot something, let me update it

[whole flare]

apart from the will to live? nothing. I am in crippling debt.

[fringe sphinx]

Disagree, but it should be last thing you do. Start with cleanup, and shortening.

[silver jacinth]

there

[torpid birch]

Rem, question, i worked with some more concepts but this ones are the main ones. Should i keep them on the CV?

[jovial bay]

Any role i should aiming for right now? My dream right now is cybersecurity or big data, but i pretty sure i cant get it
This is my concern for entry to mid level qualification wise:
as Data Engineer i need Fikka or some ETL tools like that, or redshift, and need to know data warehousing and data lake.
as Data Analyst i think i need more data analyzing project.
as Computer Vision i think i am good but i worried if i go to a company i need to share my detection algorithm,
as Data Scientist i need more machine learning and deep learning training, i'm usless right now and maybe only can be an intern.
as Cybersecurity i have no certiications or anything

[torpid birch]

Sorry lost you in all the messages, just quantified every point to the best of my knowledge based on the metrics i had at the time

[torpid birch]

I am putting them here in case i apply for an Networkng job, else i would remove them

[vital wyvern]

I hate putting Microsoft Office on my resume despite it consistently appearing in skills required sections.
Uhh-- I would focus on substantiating your networking concepts through your resume.

What I was saying is 'Networking Concepts' is a set of skills that you should be able to prove through your bullets.

[leaden jasper]

Let me dive into it.

• Your first project tells me nothing about it. IS this a tutorial you followed? It sounds like it because you listed 2 hours. I don't know it is, I don't know why it's important, I don't know what you did.
• Your upwork sections sounds like bad advertisements for scam services. IT tells me nothing specific and it's just a bunch of weird buzzwords listed together.
• The Trademe project is just a lot of "tell" and not "show". You list "Dataframes" twice as though that's supposed to mean something on its own. You used dataframes ... to do what? Why is what you did cool/exciting/important? "Algorithm writing" is so vague that it's meaningless.
• Your skills section should not have words like "Extreme creative". That's a meaningless term.

Your resume is a lot of buzzwords and no real substance. You don't explain what the projects do, why it's important, or why it's impressive. It tells me nothing about why I should hire you.

What value do you bring to the company? Right now, your resume is saying a lot of buzzwords, a lot of tell, but no substance.

The Yelp project is your closest to showing something in a concrete fashion that would not have me immediately put it in the trash. But even that could use a lot of work.

[vital wyvern]

E.g., how do you know about VLAN's? How have you applied that technology at work? Did you establish network segmentation/compartmentalization for 58 hosts? Did you segment the company's web and mailservers from the internal LAN to increase the security posture?

[torpid birch]

Good points, i actually work for an ISP so i use those stuff daily for clients

I will have to expand more on the Networking side as well. Only expanded on the Development side

[jovial bay]

First project is a secreat computer vision algorithm, currently used solving CAPTCHAs, i'm not describing it and only show it is only some web scraping sernior level need to write CAPTCHA Solver, or Computer Vision Scientist need this kind of vision level for computer vision detection, and i have no needs want to show my computer vision algorithm.

Upwork i can list on and on to technical level but there is not much about it, they are simple jobs such as data mining and data transforming, only some bot detecion and that Yelp & Better Business Bureau kind impressive for me as a completed crawler program

Trade me i have a lot of images in my portfolio website, its a completed async etl driver from exploring api oversights to ETL into database and do data query then processing and visualizing them. Those are all the buzz words other than that i will describle it a 1,000 words documentry from ETL design, testing, to visualizing. This is my only visualizing project from completed etl to visualzing

My value current focused on data processing, web scraping jobs, and anything data science not technical level i can do that to, so myself i even don't know what i can do, that's why i more focusing on data engineering as entry level as it is easy to break through if you know the ETL framework and data lake sort of stuff

Overall this is best i can do to minize my words full of buzzs and even that i don't think recruiters know what my Small Zombie project it is, i even got rejected from web scraping jobs

I basically need to told them i can scrape anywebsite at any scale, and need to make them know that's impressive, i even don't know they understand what is webdriver

[pine sleet]

working for an ISP would be very relavent experience you should take maximum advantage of when applying for networking jobs. definetely gives you a leg up

well, depending on what you did there

[leaden jasper]

if the first project is so secret you can't even describe it or provide metrics about how good it is, then it's not helpful for showing an employer your skillset. Take it off your resume if you can't properly discuss it.

If Upwork is just simple stuff, keep it off or keep it vague like "Various automation tasks such as X, Y, Z". Right now it's a lot of useless space and just more reasons for a recruiter to toss your resume.

Simplify your TradeMe project and focus on what's actually important. You duplicate a lot of information and it just ends up being buzzword noise and nonsense. You want to keep things concise and focused. You list pandas 3 times... list it once and not in the title. You list "Dataframe Manipulation" twice and practically back-to-back. That doesn't look good.

Focus on 3 projects that are really impressive, focus on getting the wording for those right. That alone can make a big difference.

[jovial bay]

Any other projects section i listed should i keep it?

[leaden jasper]

I don't know what projects that you've done are impressive or are not. Select 3 that you're proud of/think are impressive, then focus on those

[torpid birch]

Do you recommend removing the Network concepts field and explain them on my work experience?

[vital wyvern]

Find work experience that demonstrates that you know those concepts, yes.

[torpid birch]

Ok thanks!

Do you guys send a cover letter when applying to jobs?

[vital wyvern]

I submitted a cover letter for the first few jobs I applied for; and then promptly gave up because it demanded too much time and I figured I could 'tell my story' through my resume (which, arguably, I'm still working on) and through in-person interviews if I made it that far.

One of our resident hiring manager/hiring process experienced individuals might have more concrete opinions on that; but I kinda' always held the position that... if I was explaining myself in a cover letter, I probably could've just written a better resume instead.

[torpid birch]

Fair, ty

[smoky quest]

It's helpful if they are on the fence. So if you don't feel super strongly about yourself for instance.

So I would save it for the jobs you really care and are enthusiastic about. And do not use templates or chatgpt as it would do more harm than not sending one in the first place

[cyan lantern]

thinking of switching to finance. do you have cs degree?

[jovial bay]

I really tired of writing resumes..

Man its 1000 times harder for developing something

[white relic]

most of us dislike resume writing I think

[jovial bay]

My first resume was writing all the technical stuff that thinking a recruiter will know what i am talking about

And then

Do you guys list the source code of your project?

Can i not list the dropped degree on my resume? How bad is it

[buoyant seal]

https://darklab8.github.io/darklab_blog/pet_projects.html
Yeah 😊 Listed short descriptions, github and all other links

[buoyant seal]

whatever u mention in resume, everything will be asked about ^_^. So even if u did not link source code, this question will certainly araise before or during tech interview

[smoky quest]

You can certainly put a link to them. But don't expect to rely on them to pass the first few stages. The rule of thumb is for recruiters to make a decision in less than 30-45s.

[buoyant seal]

yeah, project source codes will be seen by tech interview processing people, not by recruiters usually

[smoky quest]

and as a side note, any project you link should not be just a dump. People will expect you to provide the same quality of work than what you show in these projects. So make sure there are readme, licenses, tests, comments, etc.

[smoky quest]

I include tech interview processing people in the definition of recruiter, including managers

[jovial bay]

Some my work i don't want to release the source code, such as CAPTCHA solver. or the webdriver

[smoky quest]

You release whatever you want and are allowed to. Don't infrige on IPs by releasing work code

[buoyant seal]

make private repo, or keep separated github profile for your portfolio/home stuff u are ready to show

i just keep my work accounts as separate github/gitlab accounts always 😅 so never a problem

[jovial bay]

Then i have nothing to show them...Some of my work such as CAPTCHA solver and that driver, and some kind big crawler, i can monetize later, so i do not want to show any of them

[buoyant seal]

well, never late to start doing personal projects. In any case u will be evaluated by at least one your best project. they don't have to be many

[smoky quest]

then don't link source code you have no authorization to share publicly. You can limit yourself to a description of it along with your impact