ot2-the-original-pubsta

[jovial island]

tf is RPing

[remote widget]

Roleplaying

[cloud blade]

whats rp

oo

[jovial island]

oof

[cloud blade]

LOL

RPashley

one in a lifetime experience

[jovial island]

whenever I text in this channel, I always feel like I'm gonna get warned at some point, for no reason

[cloud blade]

lol

but why

its ot

[remote widget]

Then stop doing stuff which u feel like is gonna make u get a warning

[jovial island]

idk, I try but-

[cloud blade]

lol

[remote widget]

Sometimes I suspect if u r even 16

[cloud blade]

then how old do u think she is

[remote widget]

Same for myself but we don't talk about it

[jovial island]

same, I doubt it too

[cloud blade]

🤣

what about u

[remote widget]

I..... uh nvm
I better go study for exams

[jovial island]

lmao

good luck though

[remote widget]

They do be starting from Tuesday

[cloud blade]

same for me

[remote widget]

Also got CS tomorrow but we don't talk bout it

[jovial island]

mine from tuesday too 😔 biology uhh

[cloud blade]

LOL

[remote widget]

Let's hope I score good since I feel like I know literally everything

[cloud blade]

hunter be teaching the teacher

[remote widget]

Uh

Many of the times, yes
But in those cases, the teacher just does anything to make everyone forget what I said and continue on with the lecture

[cloud blade]

LOL

suffering from success

[remote widget]

I mean, they do know I coded in Python in the last 2 years. They just dk at what level 🤷‍♂️

[cloud blade]

btw

what kind of file should i convert to

[cloud blade]

shessssh

[remote widget]

PNG

[jovial island]

that time when you enter the room and all the shit starts filling your head and the useful stuff comes back up in the last 5 minutes up and you scribble hard like hell

[cloud blade]

ok

[remote widget]

Happens every time

[jovial island]

feel you

[remote widget]

everyone thinks I wrote a few if statements and a print statement and I call myself a coder

[cloud blade]

but at least they still come back
in my case they dont even come back

[cloud blade]

show them ur project
guess they cant even understand the whole project except for importing

🤣

[jovial island]

hurts like hell when you cant even attempt problems that were attemptable at some level

[remote widget]

Meh, cba to do so
All my projects ain't of any of their interest anyways

I remember this instance...

I showed my mom a piece of code I wrote about smth an year or two back and she be like: Where's the 0's and 1's at

[jovial island]

at least she knows that computers work on 0s and 1s 🫂

[remote widget]

iirc she did learn like Fortran or smth back in College or smth (tho she isn't a coder, idk why the heck she even learnt it)

[jovial island]

lmao, but..fortran 😔

[cloud blade]

stereotype 🤣

[jovial island]

more of a nice question

[remote widget]

She learnt like, uhhh, 25 years ago

[jovial island]

python existed

C
ASSEMBLY, OUR BELOVED

[remote widget]

Reasons I prefer not to show my code to anyone anymore

[cloud blade]

LOL

[remote widget]

Wasn't that famous back then. Python became popular recently

[cloud blade]

whole c family coming back

even c has a family ;-;

[jovial island]

inarguable

[remote widget]

She did learn C++ too(?)

[cloud blade]

no idea

i touched a bit and i change to python LOL

[jovial island]

hurts to think that I dont have one anymore

[jovial island]

nice

[cloud blade]

🫂

[remote widget]

I learnt C#
Fun experience

[cloud blade]

i learn c++

cin and cout and << >>

[remote widget]

Ah, yes

[cloud blade]

they are just weird so i change to python

[remote widget]

include <iostream>

[cloud blade]

cuz python is like human language

[remote widget]

How can we forget this

[jovial island]

using namespace std; 😔

[cloud blade]

bad old times for me

[remote widget]

Is that C++? Idk

[jovial island]

yeah

[remote widget]

Or is that C

[jovial island]

cpp

[remote widget]

Phew

I was gonna learn C++ in school this year

[jovial island]

shouldn't you be studying according to 11 minutes in the past....?

[remote widget]

But we changed to Python and I automatically became the most knowledgeable person in the class 💀

[jovial island]

lmao

[remote widget]

Don't say like that. Am already bored of Eco

[cloud blade]

my school is learning java this year

and the way the teacher teach 🤦

[remote widget]

Lucky

[cloud blade]

its been 3 months and teacher hasnt even finish variable

i want to cry

i mean

any newbie can even finish it in a month

[jovial island]

in an hour*

[remote widget]

Just learn classes and show the code to the teacher and make her cry

[cloud blade]

LOL

and they teacher cs in malay

[remote widget]

Lmao

[jovial island]

teacher be like, yeah yeah we'll get to that, and then the whole year passes and you get conditionals for tests

[remote widget]

Relatable

[cloud blade]

gg

[remote widget]

We do be having a chapter called Stack this year

[jovial island]

stack?

memory-related?

[remote widget]

Which is just a fancy name for lists

[cloud blade]

but my classmates cant event remember those 4 data type

[jovial island]

dies

[remote widget]

I also thought the same until I opened the chapter 💀

[cloud blade]

and that makes me wonder am i too smart or are they too ||not clever||

[remote widget]

I would take the first one

[jovial island]

wont comment

[cloud blade]

but if i am too smart then why cant i even understand classes 100%

🤣

[jovial island]

both dont seem sweet, the way they're taught, is bad.
nobody's smart (according to common people POV) 😔

[cloud blade]

lol

[remote widget]

Hi mari

[sinful sun]

Classes are a dict and some related functions

Thats pretty much it

[cloud blade]

my classmates be joining cs class to avoid biology

i guess thats why

they dont have the interest

[remote widget]

Classes are objects
Dicts are objects
Lists are objects

Hence proved: Dicts, Lists and Classes are same

[jovial island]

me who loves biology and hates it at the same time

[cloud blade]

LOL

[jovial island]

I mean, bio is easy

[remote widget]

Eh, I never had that option ngl

Like, we can't skip subject classes until 11th

[cloud blade]

we can choose packages for subject

[remote widget]

And then, in 11th u gotta listen to the teacher else u won't get marks and sit in the class even when u don't want to 💀

[cloud blade]

chemistry + physics + (cs/biology)

[remote widget]

That's here from class 11

[cloud blade]

biology is for 1st and 2nd class

cs is for 3rd class

[remote widget]

School ends in class 12 here

[jovial island]

fr?

[remote widget]

Ya

[cloud blade]

huh what time do u start schooling

and what time does it end

[remote widget]

I have been studying in the same school for 14 years (this is my 14th and the last year)

[cloud blade]

mine is 7:30 - 1:50(average)

[remote widget]

Oh time

Eh, it varies

[cloud blade]

ya

same

what about the longest time range

[remote widget]

Rn the timings are 7:30 to 11:35

[cloud blade]

u go to school for 4 hours?

[remote widget]

7:45 to 2:45

[cloud blade]

oo

[remote widget]

Or smth like that

But that's for the young ones

[cloud blade]

mine is 730 to 250 on monday

[jovial island]

iirc most unis here offer 12th year and 13th year rather than schools

[cloud blade]

and the goddamn school purposely arrange the timetable to tons of subject with just 1 or 2 period

[brazen jacinth]

uhhhh

[cloud blade]

so i legit need to carry the whole damn cabinet to school

[remote widget]

Used to happen in the past, now u gotta complete till 12th

[brazen jacinth]

uhhhhh

no u

[jovial island]

how sad

[remote widget]

And I'm talking about like 30 years ago

Yea, uh, seems about right

[cloud blade]

we have 2 school

elementary and secondary

6 and 5 years each

[jovial island]

oof

[cloud blade]

but @jovial island

they are just a few random blocks in the file

[jovial island]

uh, you wouldnt want more than those, would you?

[cloud blade]

yes?

imma ask in official mc server

https://texture-packs.com/resourcepack/default-pack/

lol

[jovial island]

well

[cloud blade]

erm this looks weird

@jovial island any idea?

[jovial island]

hm?

[cloud blade]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[jovial island]

uh

how would I know

[cloud blade]

hmm look at this @jovial island

wtf grass block is this

where is the colour

[jovial island]

black and white

hm

[cloud blade]

lmao

its working now ignore that pillar

[cloud blade]

idk why is grass block black and white

[jovial island]

pillar sus

[cloud blade]

ahem ignore that

[remote widget]

U sure there's no other green colored block and that is the grass block?

[cloud blade]

lemme show u

alright look urself

which one do u think it is

if u say grass_block_top then thats the black and white one

[willow plinth]

in cpp, after decimal is u have like more than 3 or 4 zeroes in a row it ignore it so 0.1110002 becomes 0.111

[lofty loom]

The game colors it in

You know how grass changes colors depending on the biome? Or if there's snow on top of it?

Yeah, think of it like a photo filter but for textures

[cloud blade]

oo ya i forgot about that

[brazen jacinth]

nice

but the tradeoff is that it is cpp

[willow plinth]

ya true

[brazen jacinth]

damn that REALLY hurt

[radiant socket]

good song

[vital nest]

Caribbean's adopted the British system somewhat so we got A levels as shown there

As nobody really says grade down here

[jovial island]

lmao, we get graded on assignments and tests

[vital nest]

I hear the word "marked" more than graded

[jovial island]

interesting

[radiant socket]

we get graded 🦅 🔫

[jovial island]

understandable
grades are better than calculating in percentile

[remote widget]

Agreed

[jovial island]

Cool tower. What library did you used?

yalllike rap

[jovial island]

Has anyone heard of this? https://github.com/Myndex/SAPC-APCA

From what I've read so far, it's kinda a replacement of WCAG contrast ratios

[cloud blade]

Ursina

[jovial island]

@jovial island Just in case, I just remembered that SQL has support for datetime objects to be stored directly to the db without any conversions of the datetime types

😔

[misty basalt]

Download that Discord update...

[cloud blade]

?

[misty basalt]

(Top-right hand corner green download arrow on Discord)

It means there is a newer version out there

[cloud blade]

Lol

[remote widget]

Lmao

[frigid pollen]

@jovial island Oh-oh moment? 😆

[jovial island]

Nah, uh-oh moment 😁

[frigid pollen]

Pish.

Otherwise people would be DMing me all day with all sorts of things and I think it's easier if I have that all whitelist only.

[jovial island]

I like igniting the flame, you could say 😆

[frigid pollen]

I'm not always around, I don't have all the answers and I don't always feel like helping.

I give plenty of my time as it is and I prefer it to be on my own terms.

Uh-oh moment, indeed. Hurumph. 😄

[jovial island]

Yep, I understand

[full summit]

yet another otn ruined

[jovial island]

ah nice

[cloud blade]

:/

[jovial island]

what?

[remote widget]

Just delete this name and add the correct name 😔

These names have started giving anxiety

[vague shadow]

where does the dennis scale start and end?

[wheat aurora]

Okay. So apparently it's a wedding tradition somewhere, that at the rehearsal dinner the bride gets the groom a "groom's cake" where it's a cake decorated with the groom's favorite activities/personality.

... My fiance would hate this BUT I think it would be hysterical. ...... What kind of decorations should I do?

Also!! What flavor??

I wonder if I can get a cake that somehow incorporates hiking and like ... machine tools.

[round moss]

hmm, a mountainous terrain is fairly doable with just cake

[sinful sun]

Lava cake fo sure

[wheat aurora]

I wonder if I can do like a chocolate peanut butter flavor...

@hidden kernel @slate leaf provide input pls

[somber belfry]

what are your fiance's hobbies?

other than playing the kazoo during staff meetings

[wheat aurora]

Hiking, making things, reading scifi fantasy, building things, vidya games

Lmao, I should start putting a kazoo in the cookies I ship out

[somber belfry]

lol

[slate leaf]

cookies?

[slate leaf]

Oh interesting

Maybe a bright yellow (for the tools) with a chocolate crumble dirt trail

[errant seal]

building things

Pop the ingredients for the cake in a hiking boot.

[full summit]

anxiety??

[full summit]

you still ship out cookies???

[slate leaf]

I would say, one very nice thing was having letters written to each other that we sent and read as we were getting ready at the start of the day, after she left for getting ready

[wheat aurora]

Of course I do!

[errant seal]

can give it a weird name like CAKENMERX to give it Scandinavian flat-pack vibes.

[wheat aurora]

Ooooh that's cute. We are doing the weird thing where we're getting ready in the same place though

[slate leaf]

Could still be fun! Are you doing a first look or is that defeated by getting ready in the same place?

[wheat aurora]

The plan is to do a sort-of first look. So getting ready in a big airbnb situation and then doing the first look there as well

[full summit]

surely i couldn't bother you for some from your next batch 🙃

[slate leaf]

Nice nice, definitely recommend it to get the waterworks out of the way (more for the groom lol)

[wheat aurora]

I'll send some yout way~

[full summit]

thank youuu

power tools + stump cake

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1e/e4/2f/1ee42f1b708ffa7b6c73ac4219de3dd4.jpg

[unreal sigil]

lmao

[wheat aurora]

Lmao that would be great

[slate leaf]

Chocolate cake + globs of peanut butter sounds great tbh. How to tie it in to a theme is the tricky part, and to make it simple-ish to prepare as well

[jovial island]

Nice

[real forum]

You could also try a volcano theme and make it a volcano cake

And could do probably a chocolate peanut butter flavor

[elfin vine]

Does it really? I mean, tree stump cake def. worth it

[visual slate]

Did you uh... ever ship the last bunch out?

[tidal lagoon]

thats so cool

[hidden kernel]

chocolate cake with peanutbutter frosting is probably my favorite cake

[languid osprey]

I don't particularly like peanut butter

[tidal lagoon]

warm the cake up and throw some ice cream on the side with it and I'm a happy camper.

[brazen jacinth]

i forgor you were getting married in july 💀

[full summit]

wrong month my friend

[fluid plank]

what even is marriage?

[wheat aurora]

It's like you get to spend the rest of your life with your best friend and partner in crime with tax benefits

[languid osprey]

lmao

[digital bane]

Something you do when you stop looking for that ideal thing and settle

[gray plover]

heyy

i like that

[remote widget]

Sammeeeee
It's soo cool

[willow plinth]

finally found the way to do this

[fallen current]

Hi

[cloud blade]

sarth or ashley or hunter or sparky or literally anyone

can u all help me in #game-development

;-;

[cloud blade]

the grave for love ig

[jovial island]

what about me

[dull ridge]

and in certain cases gain residency of another country in two simple words

[remote widget]

Hm?

[cloud blade]

its fixed already

[cloud blade]

next time

[errant mason]

What is this channek about

[sinful sun]

Its an offtopic channel

[errant mason]

I can ask help here about linux?

Xd

[sinful sun]

Sure

[brisk edge]

you can but we might redirect you to the linux discord server which might be more helpful

[jovial island]

😔

[brazen jacinth]

HAHA, i already LOVE terminals

kek, time to repost the code in #esoteric-python and condense it to one line

[tidal dragon]

this is the truest thing ive heard all day

[tidal dragon]

lmfao

[feral meteor]

Have fun!

[sacred quarry]

whats that thing called that discord bot games do when they strike out the text or blacken out the text ? how do you do it on your own ?

[slate leaf]

Its just markdown:
||spoiler|| -> ||spoiler||
~~strikethrough~~ -> strikethrough

[sacred quarry]

thanks

[feral meteor]

Welp @brazen jacinth totally baited me into condensing this blessed-based terminal animation into a one-liner. Then a bunch of people in #esoteric-python helped me golf it further. (Updated 5/21 -- cut about 20% of the code out)

Un-golfed code: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/amevowohid

(i:=__import__,n:=255,p:=lambda a:print(a,end='',flush=True),t:=i('blessed').Terminal(),H:=0,w:=t.width,h:=t.height,p(t.clear+t.home),x:=1,y:=1,X:=1,Y:=1,u:=lambda v,p,m:v if 0<p<m-1else -v,p(t.hide_cursor),all((x:=x+X,y:=y+Y,X:=u(X,x,w),Y:=u(Y,y,h),R:=i('colorsys').hsv_to_rgb(H/n,1,1),p(t.move_xy(x,y)+t.bold+t.color_rgb(*map(lambda m:int(m*n),R))+"☻"),H:=H+7&n,i('time').sleep(.01))for _ in iter(int,1)))

[brazen jacinth]

hehe

[feral meteor]

Python.org "Try to limit use of the walrus operator to clean cases that reduce complexity and improve readability."
I'm trying but it's not working...

[sinful sun]

Limit by not using

[tawdry fog]

@jovial island I didn't realize what you had was a final project, usually I would always explain my method of how to do it but since I wasn't sure I just told you what to try, I just want to make sure you understand it. When you create the object of whatever class that was, it would call self.searchBox.toPlainText(), I'm assuming that the default value of searchBox was "". So when it was called on creation it was just an empty string. When you would run self.pushButton.clicked.connect(lambda: self.search(search_term, location_term)) the search_term and location_term were already defined as "" from when what I just mentioned was called. I hope this makes sense, and if this doesn't feel free to ask!

[tawdry fog]

This is the most satisfying thing I've seen in a while

[feral meteor]

haha, thank you! May be fun to add some features like letting the trails fade out over time...

I feel like the screen gets cluttered and then it's not as much fun to look at

[tawdry fog]

I just messed with it, and made it sleep 0 seconds and it was strangely still satisfying

Though chaotic.

[feral meteor]

Yeah it makes quite the laser show haha

[tawdry fog]

If you can post the gif in #esoteric-python I'd send it there, I'm sure people will get a kick out of it. (assuming you haven't yet)

[feral meteor]

Oh good point, I didn't post the gif there.

btw I'd recommend using a terminal with good color support -- e.g. the default Terminal.app in Mac OS only supports a small default set of colors, versus iTerm2 which supports 24-bit colors. I've found Windows Powershell etc to actually be pretty solid for this.

[tawdry fog]

I just used cmd prompt, lemme check powershell

[feral meteor]

Yeah I think cmd or powershell are both good

[tawdry fog]

cmd seemed pretty decent

[feral meteor]

I'm actually surprised how good terminal emulation on Windows has gotten. I'm sad that Mac is so far behind now

[tawdry fog]

I haven't used the library blessed before, how easy is implementing something like fading out?

[daring jay]

windows terminal is even better :p

it's a much nicer alternative to conhost or whatever windows calls it

[feral meteor]

Yes, I've been using that now!

[feral meteor]

There isn't any native support for it. You'd have to manually seek to the character and re-write it with a different color

Maybe a simple thing to start with is a queue of (x,y) positions of written characters. When it gets to a certain length start doing q.popleft() and erasing those characters.

[tawdry fog]

Ah, sounds like a lot of work but also sick lol

[feral meteor]

@tawdry fog the queueing thing worked but I had to make a small change: https://paste.pythondiscord.com/gubesukagu

[tawdry fog]

Damn that's sick

Wish there was opacity in terminals

😦

[tawdry fog]

If you're still just messing with the library and have nothing else to do, you should make a bunch of functions for different patterns, then loop through em.

[feral meteor]

That would be cool, or maybe make a command line tool that takes different switches. Have you seen sl?

[tawdry fog]

Or even better, depending on how much you'd want to get into it, use something like pyaudio, and depending on the amplitude (I think that's the term) set the colors of what it writes, and then try to detect major differences in average amplitude throughout the song then change the function based off that number :D

Though that sounds like a lot of work now that I'm done writing that lmfao.

[feral meteor]

lmao i'm not even sure I understand

are you saying to read audio input and convert it to colorful/moving symbols on the screen?

[tawdry fog]

I did something before, (Though really simple) but it basically played a song, and while it played looked at the pitch the song was at, and based off that number (I believe it was 0-1024) it would map it to a rgb value then print out that color.

It's kinda hard to explain if you don't see the program running :D

[feral meteor]

Ah! Yes

[tawdry fog]

Also I made it when I had little python experience so even if I found the code, you'd be better off figuring something else out from scratch lol

[feral meteor]

I mean you could use this to make a cool like equalizer view pretty easily.

[tawdry fog]

That sounds pretty cool :D

If you make any other cool things with this library if you don't mind send them to me, they're very satisfying to look at!

[feral meteor]

For sure! I post them here from time to time

@tawdry fog I did this mandelbrot set vis too #ot2-the-original-pubsta message

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm not much of an artist so it's been nice to make something that people like to look at.

[tawdry fog]

That's pretty cool!

[tawdry fog]

This is where I dislike python's syntax, because otherwise I'd wanna try making the 3d spinning donut, with code shaped like a donut but with color, in python :D

Other than that though, I love python :D

[feral meteor]

what if it was a quine

[tawdry fog]

That is sick.

[feral meteor]

colored code shaped like a donut, which renders itself (in different colors maybe, to make it less trivial)

[feral meteor]

Yeah those renderings are super cool, I love the detail on the colors

[tawdry fog]

Heck, implement your own python interpreter, with the code shaped like a donut, then execute the code for the python interpreter inside the donut code interpreter

Okay my brain is frying :D

[sour echo]

Kali ma linux? More like debian but with tools ma linux

[feral meteor]

like a donut, you might say...

[tawdry fog]

Okay, this is completely off subject lol, but anyone who is fairly knowledgeable on ASIC miners on the hardware level, the limiting factor for their speed is really just heat, correct?

[slate leaf]

Thanks! Check out this article on it

.rp 1 Mandelbrot

[rustic harbor]

Search results - Real Python

Here is the result:

Draw the Mandelbrot Set in Python

https://realpython.com/mandelbrot-set-python/

Click the links to go to the articles.

[slate leaf]

Also, source: https://github.com/brad90four/mandelbrot

[sour cosmos]

@shadow tangle I probably should mention: If you ever open that file to read it in python code again, you may need to specify the encoding as well

[pseudo creek]

@light void you have coverage listed in the for enterprise section as under tidelift. I'm not super clear on tidelift - is a company required to use the tidelift version, or is just a completely-optional manager like continuum's anaconda?

[light void]

tidelift offers services that help enterprise-size companies manage their use of open source. Tidelift also offers services to open-source projects, like they will be the first point of contact for security reports.

@pseudo creek there isn't a tidelift version of the library.

[pseudo creek]

so a company doesn't have to use tidelift to use e.g. coverage, but it's probably a good idea provided they can afford it?

[light void]

definitely you don't have to have anything to do with tidelift to use coverage. It's free and open-source.

[willow plinth]

whats combo?

oh

👀

[jovial island]

anyone have a chrome extension that can replace specific text on a page? (eg scan for "HELLO!" and replace it with "BYE!")

[remote widget]

Wait what's this

[willow plinth]

party mode stuff

[brazen jacinth]

how do you all pronounce python, like PIE-THIN, or PIE-THONN

[brazen jacinth]

you get your combo gauge up a bunch, and essentially spam very long messages very fast

[willow plinth]

ya got it xD

[brazen jacinth]

best do it in a private server, not here

[willow plinth]

spammed my frnds dms

[versed wigeon]

if i wanted to have an old english accent i would do "pee-tonn" else i would do something that sounds like both above but more on the "pie-thin" side

[fluid plank]

hmm

very sussy otn

[remote widget]

It's more like PAE-THUN for me

[versed wigeon]

that belongs in the PIE-THONN category then

[foggy flicker]

more like pae-th-on

and wtf is pie-thin

thin doesn't sound right, I've never heard someone pronounce it that way

[remote widget]

THIS ^^^

[sinful sun]

Its pronounced python

[misty basalt]

Come to OT

nvm frick

I thought I was in #python-discussion

But basically, it's this:

[willow plinth]

only if we could send images

[misty basalt]

Every character you type = 1 point...
Every message you send in quick succession = +1 combo...
Every combo = times the number of points by whatever combo you're on...

For example, If I want to get 2048 points, I can do:
2048 characters on 1x combo (default) = 2048 x 1 = 2048 points
1024 characters on 2x combo = 1024 x 2 = 2048 points
512 characters on 4x combo = 512 x 4 = 2048 points

[elfin vine]

I do both 😰

[willow plinth]

snek

[foggy flicker]

pie-thin? I've heard people say pae-th-on and pae-th-un

[elfin vine]

Yeah 😅, like- sometimes I'll say pae-th-in, sometimes pae-th-on, and sometimes go deeper with pae-th-un.

[foggy flicker]

ic

I too keep switching between pae-th-on and un

[fluid plank]

so how is the swedish boi that got sentimental doing?

[foggy flicker]

lmao who

[hollow heart]

I've started saying "pythun" bc of all the Englishmen

[nimble ivy]

Pythn is the best way to pronounce it. Change my mind

[hidden kernel]

wait you guys don't say "Pyth On" like the human torch when you start coding?

[foggy flicker]

haha yeah

[lofty loom]

Pie weighs a ton

[daring jay]

I say "pie thon," where "on" is pronounced just like the word "on."

[hollow heart]

I think I started saying it this way bc it takes less energy than saying "pythawn"

[errant seal]

Someone I worked with always jokingly called it Pith-on

Like piston with a lisp 😄

[errant seal]

Do you say JSON or JSAWN?

[daring jay]

aren't those the same thing?

[radiant socket]

it's jason

[daring jay]

or you do you mean "json" like "jason"

[errant seal]

sorry yes 😄

[daring jay]

I cannot imagine saying it like that, interesting

[remote widget]

Pronunciation convo going on ic 👀

[brisk edge]

JavaScript Object Notation

[errant seal]

The American pronunciation of Python and JSON always seems to take forever.

"We use PyTHAAAAAAAAAWWWWWN"

[daring jay]

it's just like if you said "on"

[hollow heart]

I say j sawn hahaha

[brisk edge]

py-th-un is better

[daring jay]

I assume you don't pronounce "on" like "in"

[errant seal]

I exaggerate, but somehow the presence of a prefix causes an elongation of the on.

[hollow heart]

so, interesting. dawn you say jason?

[daring jay]

absolutely not

I say jay sawn

[hollow heart]

oh lmao

[daring jay]

and pie thawn

but not elongated whatsoever

[hollow heart]

@radiant socket you say jason?

[radiant socket]

kinda?

[hollow heart]

and pythawn?

[fluid plank]

man i do read json like that

[radiant socket]

i say them normally 😔

[brisk edge]

normal is different for different people though

[radiant socket]

no, the way i say it is normal

[hollow heart]

maybe I should start saying jason to match my new pythn pronunciation

[errant seal]

Python named for Monty Python, which is British, therefore it is Python not Pythawn 😛

[hollow heart]

wait wait wait

someone find a clip of how it's pronounced in mp

[daring jay]

begins to identify as brit
I say pythawn
ends identification as brit

[brisk edge]

Pyth-u-n and JS-aw-n (because of how Object is pronounced) seem right

[daring jay]

I have family in britain, so I'm obviously british

[errant seal]

You have been corrupted

My brother has lived in the US for about 10-15 years... he has an odd accent now lol

[daring jay]

are you suggesting that brits can be corrupted???
how dare you say such terrible things about your own people.

[errant seal]

lol of course not! shitshitshit

[slow valve]

lol

[errant seal]

I'm sure you have to fit in. Once you're back in Blighty with a cup of tea and your own weight in biscuits you'll be right as rain.

[foggy flicker]

JSAWN for me

[slow valve]

JASON

[radiant socket]

he was cured

[fluid plank]

oh no...

[brazen jacinth]

JAY-SIN

is the only correct way to pronounce it

[steel eagle]

That's wrong

It's either "jay-sawn" or "Jay ess oh en"

[cloud blade]

what is cached image

[fiery glade]

no

[jovial island]

JASON

[hollow heart]

@sharp glacier so are you really a yakult ajumma? :P

[sharp glacier]

@hollow heart LOL only at heart 🙂

[cloud blade]

huh

[pseudo creek]

@jovial island, this is what @jovial island's name looks like for those of us with the right fonts installed

[jovial island]

thank u very much

[real forum]

my ears

[foggy flicker]

wait

this is not a rust server?

[dull ridge]

I know someone who spells it out

like Jay S Oh N

[fallen parrot]

What’s your favorite programming language and why is it Python?

[versed wigeon]

C and no

[feral meteor]

Haskell 😍

Although it has some warts. I think it's fair to say the module/import system is not that nice to use.

[median blade]

F#

username checks out

[feral meteor]

I think laziness is still underrated in functional programming language design tbh

It's a big part of what gives you referential transparency

[fluid plank]

@daring jay @zenith nova someone is taunting u

[cinder sigil]

this is a c++ server right

[willow plinth]

yes 😳

[winged gyro]

Hello.
I am an SEO. Where can I find an SEO group?

[cloud blade]

apa ni

[remote widget]

Happens

[cloud blade]

whats that

[remote widget]

Your VSC rich presence extension didn't connect to discord

[cloud blade]

lmao

but its working yesterday

[remote widget]

Isn't a permanent issue. Retry and it's gonna work

[cloud blade]

ok

[cloud blade]

everytime people ask question nobody can help and there is only me that dk how to help them

[jovial island]

[remote widget]

U still help ppl tho 👀

[cloud blade]

i rarely help ppl

because idk how to help
i cant even help myself

btw gtg

[remote widget]

Cya

[cloud blade]

byeee

going to sleep

[remote widget]

Gn

[digital bane]

See https://mobile.twitter.com/mondomascots/status/1174272990453862400?lang=en

Mondo Mascots (@mondomascots)

Pai-chan and Son-kun are the mascots for the Python certification exam in Japan.

Likes

3101

Retweets

863

Twitter · Sep 18, 2019, 10:44 AM

[remote widget]

What the

[brisk edge]

pai-son chan-kun

[daring jay]

What do you mean by this?

Isn't a function referentially transparent when it has no side effects and reads/mutates no form of state?

I'm curious as to what nonstrict semantics have to do with it

[fluid plank]

amzeezing

[magic atlas]

Can you give a loudness warning next time please

[feral meteor]

The example I had in mind is defining if as a function, which sadly Haskell doesn't do

if' :: Bool -> a -> a -> a
if' True x _ = x
if' False _ y = y

Because of laziness only x or y will actually get evaluated depending on the condition. If you wanted to write this in a strict language it would have to be like:

if' :: Bool -> (() -> a) -> (() -> a) -> a
if' True fx _ = fx()
if' False _ fy = fy()

At this point you have to care about the distinction between (() -> a) and a which I think is a referential transparency issue

[elder barn]

Hello.

Is a conversation currently occuring?

[spiral ember]

It does not appear so, no

[daring jay]

what does that have to do with referential transparency?

that's the entire philosophy of nonstrict semantics

[feral meteor]

Because you're treating "computation that produces X" differently than X itself

[daring jay]

you're saying if the computation of the arguments isn't referentially transparent, the function isn't either?

I don't get it, but perhaps I'm just missing something

[feral meteor]

to the extent that you have to make a distinction between thunks and their results, to me that seems like the crux of referential transparency?

the expression and its evaluation are semantically equivalent

[daring jay]

I've always thought that referential transparency was "as long as the arguments provided to the function are the same, the function will always produce the same result, and as such, you can replace the call with the result of the function"

[feral meteor]

Right but that's not the case for thunks in strict languages

like in my if example

You can't just replace the two branches of the if with their values and maintain the usual semantics of if

You need to add in an extra layer of indirection/thunks to make it work right

[daring jay]

tbh I know next-to-nothing about haskell so I don't know what thunks are

the only functional programming languages I've worked with are ocaml and idris, and not too much for either

[feral meteor]

A thunk is just a no-argument function

Like if I wanted to implement if as a function in Python, might look something like:

T = TypeVar('T')
def my_if(cond: bool, true_branch: Callable[[], T], false_branch: Callable[[], T]) -> T:
    return true_branch() if cond else false_branch()

Callable[[], T] is a thunk that evaluates to T. And since Python is strict I have to treat true_branch() and true_branch separately, whereas in Haskell that distinction does not exist. Every expression evaluates to a thunk

Not sure if that helps explain what I'm getting at...

[daring jay]

I do see what you mean, I think. But not really, at the same time.

[feral meteor]

haha. I'll take it

Let me put it another way. Say do_very_expensive_computation is an expression. In Haskell when I say:

let foo = do_very_expensive_computation

It does not run do_very_expensive_computation. It just sets foo to be a function that, when run, does the expensive computation. Hence it performs exactly the same as do_very_expensive_computation

To me that is the essence of referential transparency

foo and do_very_expensive_computation can be used completely interchangeably

In a strict but otherwise pure language, the LHS and RHS of the assignment might evaluate to the same value, but they can have very different performance.

[delicate blade]

`class Character():
def init(self,name,age,soul):
self.name = name
self.age = age
self.soul = soul

Anne = Character("Anne",13,"Soul of Anne")

AnneData = [Anne.name,Anne.age,Anne.soul]

del(Anne)

Anne = Character(AnneData[0],AnneData[1],AnneData[2])

for attribute in AnneData:
print(attribute)`

[languid osprey]

I finished horimiya, turns out romcoms are pretty good

[remote widget]

Yo @spiral ember do u know about port forwarding and NAT stuff? I wanted some help

[remote widget]

U can also do Anne = Character(*AnneData)

[fluid plank]

oregairu is your next anime to watch

[rugged portal]

@muted phoenix Do you still have a question?

[jovial island]

nice

[spiral ember]

Yeah but it’s very dependent on your ISP

[remote widget]

Oh, well do u have ang idea about how to check my current NAT type?

[languid osprey]

👀

Perhaps

[willow plinth]

     Length Name
     ------ ----
20110000000 io.txt

file too big sadge

i tired opening the file in python and reached 97% memory useage

[spiral ember]

NAT type?

[brazen jacinth]

Problem? -> Use prior knowledge -> Docs -> Google -> Topical channels -> Help channel
                           |        |         |            |                  |
                 (True)    |        |         |            |                  |
Implement fix  <------- Worked? <------------------------------------------------
                           |
                           | (False)
                        Next step``` steps i follow if i run into a problem, anyone else do this?

[sinful sun]

there are extensions to files

[alpine narwhal]

where can i learn

[sinful sun]

learn what

python files have a .py extension

include that in your path

[alpine narwhal]

tnx

[remote widget]

Yea. Like is it strict or what

[spiral ember]

Never heard of there being multiple NAT types

Usually NAT just translates private IPv4s to public

[remote widget]

Well there are 3 types of NAT

Strict
Moderate
Simple (I forgot the name, but it was smth like Easy)

[spiral ember]

Ah okay, not sure about that

Never had to mess with that for port forwarding

[remote widget]

Oh, u lucky that u didn't have to

It's a pain
Got it to work after 2 days

[brisk edge]

there's also SNAT and DNAT

[remote widget]

I just needed to change it for GTA Online

[brazen jacinth]

uh guys, is C a high level language?

tf

google snippets

[radiant socket]

it's relative

[brazen jacinth]

b, b, b

C can't possibly be high level, right?

[radiant socket]

it's relative

[brazen jacinth]

i mean, it might be higher than bytecode, b-

i think im gonna go slep

and wake up tommorow, with C hopefully being low level

[pseudo creek]

see, this is the problem with boolean-oriented thinking. c may not be low-level, but it sure ain't high level neither. thus i give you the shouldn't-be-new criterion of a medium-level language, which c fits nicely into

[brazen jacinth]

low-medium

take it or leave it

[pseudo creek]

i suppose the existence of prolog et al does push others down. i accept your proposal

[brazen jacinth]

Thansnkz

[somber belfry]

one of the lowest high level language

[jovial island]

how tf i get this

[daring jay]

Forum channels are in beta right now

[jovial island]

can I get it

[daring jay]

idk ask discord

[pallid wagon]

@dire arch do you have anything which has actually been peer reviewed, cited more than 5 times, or contains a significant finding from actual evidence?

[fluid haven]

@rough saffron What problem are you having with js?

[rough saffron]

I have a tutorial question on shortest words but I pretty much have no idea how to write it out at all

lecturer taught me little to nothing on this so far

`` /**

• Write a function to find the shortest word from a list of words.

• @memberof! Exam_questions

• @function

• @param {string[]} word_list An array of words to find the shortest in.

• @returns {string} The shortest word in the input array.

• @example shortest_word(["hello", "cat", "ok", "12345"]) // "ok";
  */
  Exam_questions.q1.shortest_word = function (word_array) {
  var words = [];
  if(!words.length){
  undefined;
  }
  else{

  let words = s.split(" ");
  let shortest = words[0];

  for (let i = 0; i < words.length; i++) {

   if(shortest > words[i].length){
       shortest = words[i]
   }
  

  }

  return shortest.length

};``

That's what I've written for this but i know it's completely wrong

[pallid wagon]

We can't help with exam questions

[rough saffron]

it's not an exam question

it's a tutorial question

but the file's called exam question

[pallid wagon]

Lol

[rough saffron]

i mean they wouldn't give us exam questions a week after introducing us to javascript lol

[fluid haven]

I can think of two approaches here, either something like what you were doing, keeping track of the current shortest word. Or using an arrays sort with function that sorts it on length and then taking the first.

[rough saffron]

hmm ok yeah

[rough saffron]

are you able to spot any obvious mistakes in how i've written this so far that would stop it from working

i've got lots of problems like these

[fluid haven]

You are comparing shortest to the next word.length instead of shortest.length

You are returning the length instead of the word

The if at the start makes no sense and makes the whole function immediatly end

You declare words twice

You split s but s doens't exist.

There is word_array as the function input, but that's already an array of words and needs no splitting

[rough saffron]

ok i need to restart this haha

[fluid haven]

tip: You can use for of to loop over the elements of an array instead of using the index.

for (const word of word_array) {}```

[rough saffron]

ok

[rough saffron]

i really appreciate your help

problem is right now that i dont understand any of the javascript syntax right now

[fluid haven]

It takes a bit to get used to if you only know python

[rough saffron]

yeah

python got taught to us way too quickly and rushed for a single term as well so that doesn't help

[jovial island]

Are you undergoing a cs degree?

[rough saffron]

nope

[jovial island]

Cause i feel they should take their time when teaching the first language of someone

[fluid haven]

What you had was 90% of the correct answer though

[rough saffron]

design engineering

[jovial island]

I see

[rough saffron]

so we're not even expected to be experienced in coding

[jovial island]

Rush is probably justified then

You got a shit ton of things to learn

[rough saffron]

meant to make some kind of game for my assignment by next month as well rip

[rough saffron]

yeah ive had some explanation of the steps i need and i've tried that

i'll try writing out a pseudocode first

[fluid haven]

I think the nicest way to solve it would be with reduce but that might be a bit complex

[jovial island]

Is javascript worth learning?

I mean, if i don't intend to do any web dev during my life

[fluid haven]

I don't think so if you don't do webdev.

[jovial island]

is html and css enough for basic stuff?

[fluid haven]

For static content it is.

For static pages generated on the backend php or python are good to work with.

For dynamic pages you'll have to use js or something that compiles to js

[jovial island]

Do you think that web dev is even avoidable when being a programmer nowadays?

[fluid haven]

Sure

[dire arch]

http://www.seanmuller.co.za/Academics_rentseekers_IJED_AcceptedManuscript.pdf

beyond academics being rent-seekers within universities, universities are also rent-seekers in the classical sense in relation to land. Often tax exempt, get subsidized by the government through tuition programs for students. Many (at least here in the US) received their land on a grant. And neo-classical economists took over back during the gilded age.

https://www.bestvalueschools.com/faq/what-is-a-land-grant-university/

https://stuartbramhall.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/the-robber-barons-behind-neoclassical-economics/

[pallid wagon]

Still haven't answered my question lol

[dire arch]

pdf link

[pallid wagon]

I could link to a pdf that proves the earth is flat, doesn't mean it's true

You've linked a manuscript with no actual evidence or quantitative analysis, just unfounded conjecture

[dire arch]

so you don't want to read. got it.

show me your PhD in university studies and economics before you can even ask that question then.

[pallid wagon]

I don't usually entertain the flavour of the day ideas that people take from niche/microcommunity YouTube channels, but you're actively giving people objectively terrible advice

[pallid wagon]

Read through the manuscript, nothing in there was supported

University studies isn't even a degree lol

The research projects I've done into higher education, assessment and pedagogy for assessment is more credible though

You've clearly been convinced by some pop culture, new-wave ideas, and are excited to share them with everyone else

It's quite common on this server for people to randomly join and start purporting that some new idea of theirs (which is never, ever novel) has all the answers to all the problems, if we'd just hear them out

[dire arch]

sure sure, economic theories that Nobel prize wining economists agree with are totally zany

[pallid wagon]

As I said, I usually ignore these types of messages because it's a huge waste of time to even interact, but you're actively giving people awful advice

[dire arch]

all I've been saying is that universites do engage in rent-seeking and I'd like to see that change

[pallid wagon]

It doesn't make them credible

Economics is inherently subjective, and will never model reality

[pallid wagon]

No, you were pushing for people to do bootcamps instead of going into higher education

[dire arch]

no I wasn't

[pallid wagon]

And to repeat this same point that everyone already told you countless times, bootcamps are specifically designed for employability

[dire arch]

I was just debating the validity of one being better than the other

[pallid wagon]

That makes them "better" to find work than a purely academic pursuit, to some extent, but the reality is a degree proves way more

[pallid wagon]

You very clearly have an emotional attachment to one side, and weren't listening to reasonable views about the other

[dire arch]

displaying the ability and knowledge to do the job speaks for itself, regardless of method that it was obtained

[idle beacon]

Right, so I glazed over the PDF, and since I'm studying in South Africa found it interesting. It's not wrong about the grants, but that's specifically for people in academics doing research. The study doesn't relate to people getting a STEM degree and going out into the job market at all?

[dire arch]

my emotional attachment is my time and money

[pallid wagon]

Ok, that's your time and money to do with as you please

A lot of people on this server are pre-uni age, and are more likely to be affected by such statements

[sinful sun]

mfw i thought i was still in careers discussion

[dire arch]

I'll say it again: displaying the ability and knowledge to do the job speaks for itself, regardless of method that it was obtained

the fact I've seen it happen with those I did network with, including the high school grad who went right into bootcamp and landed a job (with the intent of having a company pay for his uni while working, because economic rents making paying your own way too expensive). it works. and you know what the key factor in his success was. Motivation to keep learning and display his found knowledge in really cool projects.

I think it ultimately comes down to the individual more than anything. You can have a bootcamper that just doesn't display the motivation and knowledge, just as much as you can have a university student display the same level.

[pallid wagon]

I'm going back, can't believe I took the bait for this

[dire arch]

and yes, companies will pay for your uni. There is a guy in the georgist server going for his masters in data science and his company is paying for it.

[sinful sun]

Masters means he already got a degree

[idle beacon]

having a company pay for your postgraduate is a lot different than your first degree

[sinful sun]

Do you have someone whose company is paying for a bachelor

[idle beacon]

Most larger companies over here are willing to pay for your postgraduate studies while you work for them, since it's beneficial to the company for people to have a higher education from a university, because what's being taught is useful

[sinful sun]

MBAs are most commonly sponsored by companies too, i dont know anyone with an mba that paid out of pocket

[dire arch]

the kid from the bootcamp

[sinful sun]

Literally who

Get them to come in here so they can share their story then

I know a guy who knows a guy

[radiant socket]

displaying the ability and knowledge to do the job speaks for itself, regardless of method that it was obtained
no one disagrees with this. the only problem is how you'll prove that you have ability and knowledge if you don't get into an interview or your resume gets tossed because you don't have a degree

[dire arch]

that's a part of the monopoly on knowledge, the rent-seeking, economic rents I was pointing out

[radiant socket]

what monopoly on knowledge 🧐

[sinful sun]

university bad, i cant believe im reading this

[dire arch]

that a university degree has within the job market

[dire arch]

no, the way they are currently set up is bad

[radiant socket]

wasn't your whole point that a bootcamp gives comparable knowledge?

[sinful sun]

Realistically, what do you want people to do

[dire arch]

it can give you the knowledge to get your foot in the door

[idle beacon]

A university degree is clear proof that you were able to obtain the knowledge, none of the knowledge is monopolized

[radiant socket]

that's such a big embed

[sinful sun]

It really is a shame the embeds are so big, theres some really nice ones

[idle beacon]

Correct. And if uni isn't a possibility for someone, it's a great way to get your foot in the door. But you won't learn the same amount of knowledge in a 3 month bootcamp that you do at uni

[radiant socket]

literally my whole screen

[dire arch]

it is in perspective of the job market. even though someone can be knowledgeable and have the skills, if they are going to get tossed out of the pile just because they didn't pay for a degree, then that is a monopoly in favor do those who did.

[idle beacon]

If you don't have experience and no degree, of course. How do you want to compare to someone that spent 4 years studying to break into the job market?

How are you going to stand out?

[sinful sun]

Degrees have such power because theyre backed by accredited institutions that guarantee a minimum quality in the syllabus

Who guarantees angela yu's or whatever's bootcamp

Nobody, so back of the line, thanks

Really grinds my gears when some bootcamp kid gets a free ride into a big firm just cause they got some kind of deal with the bootcamp

Didnt spend 4 years for this

[fluid plank]

what is university? is it a corporate slave generator?

[sinful sun]

University is "best we got so far"

[fluid plank]

oh thanks i am in my last year and i feel like crap.

[sinful sun]

Congrats, here's to many more

[fluid plank]

hmm that reminds me of someone. imma ask him later

[lusty fulcrum]

boyyssss

[dusky cliff]

aha i've beat the system

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/463035268514185226/975897858685431808/unknown.png?width=40&height=40

[fluid plank]

keep on dreaming

[remote widget]

Another name ruined

[brazen jacinth]

it's fine, someone was bound to commit a bad @languid osprey at some point

@copper tartan, i know people ask if you are network chuck, but im gonna ask, are you smooth mcgroove? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4W12k0MYC0

and did you clone yourself 9 times?

[remote widget]

prolly lol

[copper tartan]

I hate when people ask if I'm network chuck - but I'm flattered when someone asks if I'm smooth mcgroove, that is an excellent dude.

I'm not, but I did do a smooth mcgroove style cover of the star trek TOS series intro one time

https://youtu.be/nBlSyImjrnY

[brazen jacinth]

excellent dude indeed

[nova ember]

That's just wonderful

How have I not seen this before

[errant seal]

I like network chuck, but his video titles are egregiously click baity. 😦

[foggy flicker]

true

like a common thing is you need to learn this blah blah thing right now!!

[errant seal]

I mostly blame the YouTube algorithm that makes those videos stand out more, but it's still annoying lol.

[jovial island]

@zinc temple

ok so

@reef osprey

[zinc temple]

Imo you lose pretty much all privacy the second u get an internet connection. You can try a lot and make it very difficult for people to see you, but never impossible

[jovial island]

@quartz parcel

[quartz parcel]

yeah

[jovial island]

thing is

[reef osprey]

hey

[jovial island]

in the modern day world

I believe that

if you use tor for example

The NSA will try to track you down

and you will probably be monitored by more than 5 people

[reef osprey]

tor?

[jovial island]

The Onion Router

[quartz parcel]

tor is like browser

[jovial island]

Its a network

it bounces traffic

[reef osprey]

Oh yeah right i have heard of that

[jovial island]

across atleast 3 nodes

[reef osprey]

the onion router

[jovial island]

its used to access the "dark web" if you heard about that

[zinc temple]

Seems slightly far fetched to me

[jovial island]

Plus

What are you gonna do when you're private

If you really wanted free speech

You will probably not get it

Since if you want to say something on facebook

you need to make an account

[reef osprey]

So what is it gonna do with chrome or firefox or everything else

[jovial island]

and by making an account they will track the shit out of you

and then you will be more sus

[zinc temple]

Tor + linux tails + vpn is pretty much as private as u can get i hear, but even then youre depending on a vpn co

[languid osprey]

I doubt the nsa will track you down if you use tor

[zinc temple]

Lol thx

[jovial island]

well

[languid osprey]

You can use it as a conventional web browser too, it's not just a dark web access thing

[jovial island]

depends on your searches

[jovial island]

ik but it's popular for that

Thing is

[quartz parcel]

idk make your own vpn?

[jovial island]

Afaik if you connect to a malicious tor exit node

[languid osprey]

Maybe, but I've seen more people use it as a privacy thing rather than for accessing the dark web

[zinc temple]

Well it’d have to be located far away from you

[jovial island]

there are 3 possible ways your info can be leaked

first of all you can do an MITM fake SSL certificate attack

and the second way is that you connect to an HTTP website

and not HTTPS

3rd way is cookies from websites

[zinc temple]

Make sure you still follow the server rules in this channel btw

[jovial island]

hm?

[zinc temple]

Dont stray too close to talking abt how to leak ppls info

[jovial island]

oh ok

I'm just saying you can prob get ur info leaked

if you use tor as a general purpose browser

I wouldn't recommend doing that

plus websites will see you are using tor

[zinc temple]

The best way to not get hacked or smth like that is to not be a target, so dont be any sort of politician lol

[reef osprey]

interesting

[jovial island]

and imo dont use tor

the best way to be anonymous is hiding in plain sight ig

[reef osprey]

idk who would use TOR on a regular basis

[zinc temple]

Firefox is fine for me, pretty customizable

[jovial island]

So like your best bet is not using google assistant for example

but you can use google services normally

[zinc temple]

Well tbf if they did, they wouldnt be likely to say ig

[jovial island]

You can close web and app activity and personalized ads in your google account settings

[jovial island]

Alot of people

[reef osprey]

👀

well fuck me

[jovial island]

If you use Tails OS the traffic gets routed through tor by default

through obfuscated bridges or direct connections

Thing is

[zinc temple]

From my experience the only ppl who use tails are hackers and ppl in a "privacy" phase lol, till they realize you cant be completely private online

[jovial island]

If an entry node is malicious

you can get joe mama'd

and you get your ip leaked

if you don't use a vpn

[zinc temple]

Thats where vpns come in tho

[jovial island]

and even if you use a vpn the NSA has the right to "request info"

You can't say no to law enforcement

or else you become the criminal

for not cooperating

[zinc temple]

If you dont do anything illegal, you dont need to worry bout the nsa. Using tor isnt illegal afaik

[lethal gate]

why do python developers wear glasses?

[quartz parcel]

what?

[jovial island]

If you dont do anything illegal, you dont need to worry about the nsa (therefore why use tor in the first place?)

[lethal gate]

because they cant c

ha got him

[quartz parcel]

oh nice one

idk

[jovial island]

Theoritically if you don't do anything illegal you don't need to worry about google nor the NSA

[quartz parcel]

wait will nsa catch me for downloading a repack?

[jovial island]

But if you care about not being in a filter bubble

You can use Duckduckgo for example

[smoky island]

What about in countries where free speech is suppressed

[jovial island]

Tor is useful there

[lethal gate]

what do you mean "filter bubble"

[jovial island]

But I'm saying that Tor isn't really secure afaik

[quartz parcel]

filter you according to sites and searches you do

[jovial island]

It's a term where you get put in a "bubble" and get news that only you want to see

[quartz parcel]

like

[jovial island]

so imagine if i like cats and i search dogs it will give me results on how "cats are better than dogs"

and if i like dogs its the opposite

[quartz parcel]

if you search like is apple good

it says its good

if you search is apple bad it says its bad

[lethal gate]

ahh very interesting

[quartz parcel]

that sort of thing

[lethal gate]

i wasnt aware of that

[jovial island]

Lemme send you a link to a sumsub video on that

[quartz parcel]

thats basically what social media do lol

[jovial island]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT2kxvmhhkA

[brazen jacinth]

.bm

im gonna bm it and not checks my dm's later

[rustic harbor]

Please don't do that.

@quartz parcel, please enable your DMs to receive the bookmark.

[brazen jacinth]

hey wait a minute

[lethal gate]

i saw elon musks tweet about changing your twitter to chronological instead of with recommended but when i did that my feed was empty

[brazen jacinth]

i thought there was a pr on negative words as responses from bots?

didn't they remove it?

[sudden iron]

I wouldn't say the same for whistleblowers

[jovial island]

Yea

But I'm talking about using it for general use

[quartz parcel]

is downloading a repack legal or not

[jovial island]

If you don't have something important to hide then you probably shouldn't make people know you're hiding something

[jovial island]

cracked games?

[quartz parcel]

yea

[jovial island]

illegal

[quartz parcel]

so nsa be watching?

[jovial island]

depends

afaik if you're in Germany then big oof

Germany has the most strict copyright laws iirc

[brisk edge]

always

[quartz parcel]

well germany wants you to work

[lethal gate]

i think i illegally downloaded nuclear throne

[quartz parcel]

not play

[jovial island]

like imo

If you're a regular person and don't have any important things to hide

You probably shouldn't tell people you have things to hide by using tor for example

You're one person against a whole agency that is monitoring the internet and sometimes more

[brisk edge]

Tor exit nodes have control over all of the Tor traffic

[jovial island]

^

[brisk edge]

which NSA has a lot of

[jovial island]

40% of exit nodes are hosted by the NSA iirc

[sudden iron]

I personally hate the NSA, and the US Government in general.

[brisk edge]

not an unpopular opinion

[jovial island]

^

[brisk edge]

even NSA hates NSA ig 🙃

[quartz parcel]

they gotta be there

[jovial island]

like imo

[sudden iron]

They don't. Security holes just allow attackers from China or Russia in.

[quartz parcel]

cus yk how bad things are in dark web right

[jovial island]

Yep

I mean they got a point

Best way to be private is making your own pc from scratch and using a geo cache with a pre paid burner phone and using it to communicate with the internet or smth lmao

and making a secret base under a tree with an alternate exit

[quartz parcel]

you are a genius

[sudden iron]

I am studying practical electronics, so I guess that's my first step.

[quartz parcel]

from sratch

[brisk edge]

once you're connected to the internet, everything else is moot

[quartz parcel]

like even the transistors

[jovial island]

Thing is

[brisk edge]

mesh networks seem better for privacy

[jovial island]

Just you breathing is a digital fingerprint

every second you take to think about something can be linked back to you

every millisecond you take to type each letter can be used to identify u

[brisk edge]

what does that cover?

[jovial island]

Your characteristics also

[sudden iron]

I am totally against google and microsoft and most companies, as they are just data hungry @&#^$*#@

[quartz parcel]

you missed the elephant in the room

[brisk edge]

Discord is a data hungry company too, y'know

[quartz parcel]

meta

[jovial island]

^

[quartz parcel]

yep

[sinful sun]

Youre against the company but not the individual willfully signing away their data?

[sudden iron]

Company's need to be regulated ngl

[brisk edge]

individuals are kinda forced to sign away their data for convenience

[quartz parcel]

well cus they force us to or they be like fck off

[jovial island]

^

[sinful sun]

Forced? Youre forced to use google?

[jovial island]

We are in a technological world

[sudden iron]

Yes. Especially in HS

[jovial island]

trying to go back is like saying ima use a knife in a gun fight

[sudden iron]

when I did use it

[quartz parcel]

yea ever heard of android?

[brisk edge]

e.g. WhatsApp in most of the world cannot be avoided

[jovial island]

Google classroom

[sinful sun]

Buy some other phone?

[sudden iron]

What'sapp is meta

[jovial island]

Iphone (closed source) 💀

[brisk edge]

yeah, so? Meta is bad/worse

[quartz parcel]

worse ofc

[jovial island]

Thing is

[quartz parcel]

ikr

[brisk edge]

I'm just saying in general, you can't really choose private software

[sinful sun]

You could just text people, sms still exists

[jovial island]

If you want to communicate with others like normal human beings

You must become part of the society

[brisk edge]

yeah, I tried that

[jovial island]

Google won't accept a random person trying to use their services

[brisk edge]

people don't like that

[sudden iron]

Fuck society

[quartz parcel]

eww do RSS

[brisk edge]

fsociety™

[quartz parcel]

RRS?

[sinful sun]

This is turning very edgy very quickly

[quartz parcel]

i forgot the name

[jovial island]

They make their services zero trust

[jovial island]

You are telling me an SMS is anonymous?

Monitoring SMS was like from 1990 prob

[sudden iron]

Tbh, if I was in a US prison for anything related to a crime, I would die.

[quartz parcel]

https://tenor.com/bJeVa.gif

[sinful sun]

There are free and open source alternatives that dont have as much telemetry

[brisk edge]

eww. edge

[jovial island]

like what

[sinful sun]

irc

[brisk edge]

I'm not saying there aren't

[sudden iron]

Yes!

[jovial island]

IRC is still monitored

[brisk edge]

they are just not convenient for the general public

[sinful sun]

If you wanna be completely anonymous dont use the internet then

[jovial island]

Contrary to common belief law enforcement monitors IRC too

[jovial island]

Yea well

[sinful sun]

Cant have a cake and eat it too

[sudden iron]

Fuck the law

[jovial island]

Not using the internet is a big problem

[jovial island]

??

You want people to break into your home and law enforcement do nothing?

.-.

[sinful sun]

For you, because youre putting arbitrary resteictions on yourself

[sudden iron]

Most US law enforcement abuse their prisoners

[jovial island]

I see

[quartz parcel]

yea

[sudden iron]

If I ended up in jail, i would kill myself

[languid osprey]

Hm, is it actually the majority? I'd guess it depends on where you live too