how are universities tied to megacorps?
@wicked hollow Let me just charge whatever the hell I want to students
#ot2-the-original-pubsta
azure current
And basically provide less and less back over the years
storm birch
my uni moved the goalposts multiple times on me, costing me thousands. And they get to because I was attending there already and really had no choice
wicked hollow
tuition at US universities has climbed for decades because the federal government is willing to tie grant dollars and tuition assistance to the average tuition.
azure current
I think it's the opposite - universities are subsidized by public money, not private.
@wicked hollow Harvard endowment: $41.9 billion (2020)[3]
wicked hollow
unis have discovered, unsurprisingly, that they can make more by charging more, because the government picks up the slack where the market wouldn't be able to bear the costs any more.
wicked hollow
Harvard's annual expenses are 5.5 billion, from what I've just googled. Their endowment being 40 billion isn't that surprising.
azure current
The point is that endowment is absolutely private money
wicked hollow
well, yes and no. there are restrictions on how it can be spent, and it's largely funded by gifts, and it's required to be self-sustaining (it's expected to fund the university in perpetuity)
the math is similar to the amount of savings a person needs in order to live off their savings in perpetuity
upbeat sandal
huh, at one point I heard a rumor that the highest paid employee of my state was the president of my uni
but I guess it's a football coach
wicked hollow
mine too, apparently, heh
wheat aurora
The state is a big basketball and football state, so it's a bit unsurprising
**for college
upbeat sandal
@wheat aurora are you referring to me?
wheat aurora
If I think I know what state you're in, yeah
wicked hollow
now who's getting doxxed π
storm birch
saaaame
azure current
College sports: the biggest unpaid work fraud in the US tbh
wicked hollow
100% agreed. Universities making money off student athletes without paying them is absolutely unconscionable.
upbeat sandal
my uni doesn't have a football team, but I think it's also the least white of the large unis in the state
there's a basketball team, apparently. I don't care about sports.
azure current
Coach: $4 milΒ
Players: We might cover your medical expenses if we are forced to
upbeat sandal
how many pro football players were college football players?
azure current
Almost all of them
upbeat sandal
is that the value that college football players are allegedly getting? the chance to go pro?
azure current
Yeah. But that's basically an unpaid internship situation
Also the value of their "degrees"
wicked hollow
worse, a lottery.
upbeat sandal
I think they might be getting full rides?
azure current
Some are. But frankly that's a drop in the ocean
somber belfry
wdym by full rides?
upbeat sandal
right, they're probably not pursuing useful degrees if they're there for the football
wicked hollow
yes, but generally not learning all that much, from what I understand.
somber belfry
is that a good thing?
upbeat sandal
@somber belfry tuition and all living expenses paid
somber belfry
oh ok
azure current
They are expected to sacrifice learning to be at practice and stuff
wicked hollow
yep.
upbeat sandal
whereas most scholarships are a one-time or reoccurring cash out that covers part of the tuition for a semester.
I once looked into a scholarship for LGBT people pursuing STEM degrees, and it said that they only want you to apply if you've earned other scholarships because it won't cover everything. Which is fine, but they also wanted you to speak at at least one event for them a semester, or something
I'm not being trotted out for that sort of thing. Not that I would have gotten that scholarship anyway.
azure current
Not wanting to get into a quagmire here. But scholarships based on something like you sexual orientation seems... wrong
upbeat sandal
not if you're marginalized because of it, and there's a stereotype that you'd only consider going to theater school.
celest field
They asked stuff like on UC application too
azure current
Scholarships should be based on your means and intelligence
wicked hollow
hah, this politically and emotionally sensitive part of your existence. We'll give you money if you talk to everyone about it. 
upbeat sandal
but going back to, what was the topic, football teams?
storm birch
it is to make up for gaps caused by discrimination.
See the above reference to journalist discrepancies
azure current
If you can afford to pay you shouldn't be eligible for scholarships
The rich should not be subsidised
upbeat sandal
WelshWizard doesn't want STEM to be fabulous.
wheat aurora
STEM is gayer than you'd think =3c
azure current
I just don't think financial assistance is the solution to getting marginalised groups into places
somber belfry
lol
upbeat sandal
I mean, the real problem is upstream
somber belfry
I just don't think financial assistance is the solution to getting marginalised groups into places
@azure current it is one of the solutions
part of the solution
wicked hollow
if you can afford to pay you shouldn't be eligible for scholarships
that leads to perverse incentives - deliberately making less money so your children qualify for scholarships, and the like.
wheat aurora
I mean.... as someone who volunteers a lot of my time in a nonprofit to specifically help with marginalized groups.... the financial assistance is the most helpful direct thing we do
somber belfry
wow is that a thing, godlygeek?
azure current
Not if the marginalisation hasn't caused financial hardship it isn't
upbeat sandal
if you have a problem that's generational, solving the problem for one generation can solve it for subsequent generations, even if the problem was caused upstream.
azure current
that leads to perverse incentives - deliberately making less money so your children qualify for scholarships, and the like.
@wicked hollow If someone is so dumb they want to do that then so be it
The same morons who don't understand marginal tax rates
deep saddle
yo evening
wicked hollow
Not if the marginalisation hasn't caused financial hardship it isn't
@azure current all marginalization causes financial hardship
azure current
if you have a problem that's generational, solving the problem for one generation can solve it for subsequent generations, even if the problem was caused upstream.
@upbeat sandal But that doesn't hold true for something like LGBT which isn't hereditary really
upbeat sandal
you're right
azure current
If I'm gay and bullied at school that has no impact on whether my straight parents can send me to uni
wicked hollow
flipping that argument: why is it your parents' responsibility to send you to uni?
upbeat sandal
I mean, it could impact your performance at school (and it did for me)
wheat aurora
I ... uh... I mean, your parents could entirely disown you and cut you off from financial resources
upbeat sandal
whether or not money is a solution, not sure
deep saddle
can a for loop be used on a dictionary ?
wheat aurora
That's a common thing that happens
azure current
However if I'm black and my parents were thus excluded from opportunities then the fact they can't support me financially is due to the marginalisation
somber belfry
can a for loop be used on a dictionary ?
@deep saddle yes
upbeat sandal
@deep saddle we're having a very intense discussion about problems facing our society. See #βο½how-to-get-help
deep saddle
ty
wicked hollow
get out of here, with those "on topic" questions π
deep saddle
lol
azure current
flipping that argument: why is it your parents' responsibility to send you to uni?
@wicked hollow It's not. But it's certainly incredibly common to have assitance from your parents
wicked hollow
sure, but maybe that is also a problem.
azure current
And since most 18 years olds haven't had full-time jobs their financial means are likely tied to their parents/guardians
celest field
community is also an option
azure current
I don't know what that means
wicked hollow
well, for instance, 4 years of university could be covered for all young adults through tax dollars, like the 13 years of schooling before that are.
celest field
I mean community college. You probably don't need parents/guardians' financial assistance? Probably common in US
azure current
well, for instance, 4 years of university could be covered for all young adults through tax dollars, like the 13 years of schooling before that are.
@wicked hollow I think you'd have to allow everyone to go to uni in that case
Which, if it were possible, I would not be against
But also tuition isn't the only cost of studying at uni
You have to pay rent, bills, etc
upbeat sandal
except now
azure current
I mean community college. You probably don't need parents/guardians' financial assistance? Probably common in US
@celest field Lol. Taking a less good option is the same as not having an option
wicked hollow
sure. All of that could be subsidized as well, though. If we're talking drastic changes to society, why limit ourselves?
upbeat sandal
because you may or may not be allowed on your campus these days 
azure current
I mean sure
polar warren
are universities still charging student unions fee and other bs?
azure current
That would be ideal. But it ain't happening
wicked hollow
are universities still charging student unions fee and other bs?
yep!
celest field
lol, so saving money is bad? Don't forget you can transfer to an uni for cheap
upbeat sandal
@celest field I haven't done the math, but if you were going to pursue a degree with high earning potential, I think it's more cost effective to just get it and not do community college.
wicked hollow
For CS degrees, starting in a community college and transferring after 2 years is a really good idea, I think.
somber belfry
@godlygeek#8814I think you'd have to allow everyone to go to uni in that case
@azure current That is the case in some countries like Sweden, if I am not wrong
upbeat sandal
you're missing out on at least a year of income if you do community college first.
somber belfry
(ofc population is different)
celest field
Maybe
upbeat sandal
For CS degrees, starting in a community college and transferring after 2 years is a really good idea, I think.
@wicked hollow at my uni, that would be a five-year process at the very least. You can't do the CS program in less than three years no matter what.
azure current
The point is largely that higher education should be means tested
How you determine those means is... questionable
And open to abuse I suspect
wicked hollow
@upbeat sandal that's odd. And an argument for going to a different uni.
celest field
If you do community college. At least you don't have to pay rent, bills, or live with roommates.
deep saddle
ty guys after reading that im ready to sleep again π lol
upbeat sandal
@wicked hollow if you do as many prereqs as possible, you can do it in five semesters, but the last two have to be fall-spring, so it might as well be six.
azure current
The fact degrees are so long in the US always gets me
We manage just fine in the UK in 3 years
wicked hollow
mine was the opposite, fwiw - my university had a quarter system, and credit transfers into my uni from schools with a semester system transfered in at 1.5x
upbeat sandal
interesting
celest field
The fact degrees are so long in the US always gets me
Yeah, my cousin's 25, and has not started med school yet.
deep saddle
my biggest mistake at uni was not doing work experience between my 2-3 years
wicked hollow
work experience is incredibly useful.
deep saddle
yeah
storm birch
im on my 6th year of my degree. somewhat my fault now, but partially my uni's fault lol
polar warren
We manage just fine in the UK in 3 years
@azure current don't a ton of universities also let you do your masters if you stay a year later too?
deep saddle
for a software company, would of been good
upbeat sandal
I think it was relatively recently that the CS program moved from applied math to engineering, and I think since then they've only added courses rather than rethink the end-to-end approach.
azure current
@azure current don't a ton of universities also let you do your masters if you stay a year later too?
@polar warren Sort of. We have 4 year MSc courses commonly now
You basically do 3 years, get a BSc then do a 1 year MSc
deep saddle
nn
celest field
That's cool.
azure current
But you sign on for the full 4 year course when you start
If you don't get the BSc grades/change your mind you just don't do year 4
Yea
Nah, most unis would let you transfer to the MSc 4 year course a lot of the time
upbeat sandal
I don't know how much longer this will go on for, but I just wanted to say to all involved that I've really been enjoying this chat. Thanks for engaging.
celest field
Same. This was interesting
azure current
You killed it @upbeat sandal π€£
upbeat sandal
well, I was running out of things to say
it ends when it ends. I just wanted to get that out before it did for sure.
wicked hollow
the US needs to change its voting system before there can be any change to how things like higher education and wages actually happen. We only have two parties, and neither party is interested in any of the things we've discussed changing.
azure current
Because the reality the majority of voters probably aren't
celest field
Why can't US be like Finland or Canada?
azure current
This is something that largely affects people just coming up to voting age
Many of whom don't bother voting
wicked hollow
Well, cost of education, yes. But things like being paid a living wage affects everyone of all ages.
we've got two right wing parties and no left-wing parties, as things stand today. So social safety nets aren't likely to be extended until we get a working multi-party system.
azure current
Seems like about 1/4 adults in US are college educated
So it's not insignificant, but it's also a minority
Always makes me chuckle when I see the US complain about the "left" and "socialists"
Obama was probably right of our conservatives in the UK at the time (I'd say they've shifted more right in the past 4-8 years), and Bernie is to the right of our left-wing, possibly even to the right of some of our right-wing
wicked hollow
yep.
tranquil ridge
are colleges really that necessary ? like what if you study the material taught there on your own? because they are expensive
celest field
It's easier to get a job
with a degree
than learning the specific material taught that might not fit most jobs' requirements.
tranquil ridge
well, now tehres plenty of sources on the internet t get a degree right?
azure current
are colleges really that necessary ? like what if you study the material taught there on your own? because they are expensive
@tranquil ridge The problem is how do you prove your competence. You'd maybe be OK if you had a cracking portfolio but that will depend on your field as to how realistic that is
wicked hollow
there is an easier path to employment if you have a college degree, but it's usually not a strict requirement, at least in the US.
tranquil ridge
i see
celest field
Even better. Do both
azure current
well, now tehres plenty of sources on the internet t get a degree right?
@tranquil ridge I'd put basically zero-weight in a random online degree vs a portfolio
tranquil ridge
whats a portfolio?
celest field
Technically, most classes are now online lol.
azure current
A body of work
celest field
You showcase your projects and tell about yourself
azure current
Technically, most classes are now online lol.
@celest field But they are from proper brick and mortar universities still
celest field
Yeah
tranquil ridge
like a better resume?
azure current
A portfolio isn't really something you can do in every job though
tranquil ridge
ah
celest field
I think after undergrads, you might not still be ready for full-time jobs without training or internships
I guess self-taught is even harder
storm birch
self taught is the one true way π
polar warren
self learning is hit and miss depending on who you are
i can't teach myself, really need a tutorial or a lecture to help understand it
celest field
imo I can do a lot with self-learning than college education
wicked hollow
listening to lectures at your own pace is still self-teaching, honestly
it's self taught if you don't have exams and external pressure to continue learning, and you're still able to learn and retain.
celest field
Yeah. That's why I prefer to do both. That way, you have no consequences lol
wicked hollow
a lot of people have trouble sticking with learning if there's consequences to slacking off. but if you don't, that's awesome.
storm birch
I am f1re taught
azure current
There is a big difference between "self-taught" and "learned from others"
I don't consider myself self-taught because I learned so much from one of my first colleagues
polar warren
i definitely learn more from others then self learning
i had a boss that said "i prefer not to be the smartest person in the room" something along those lines
azure current
I am strongly in that camp
If there's no one for me to learn from I'm in the wrong place
worldly berry
!otn i-am-f1re-taught
full summit
lol
fluid plank
rotund swallow
could someone help me with ipython thing
so here
No matter how many times, i hit enter it just doesn't exit the loop,
does anybody know how I can exit the loop?
somber belfry
you are missing a parenthesis
tranquil ridge
in range(1000) ? 
rotund swallow
ohh didn't know that
ancient whale
@azure current I'm a dummy, I just realized I'm not using dataclasses correctly
which kinda solves the inheritance issue
I blame fisher
azure current
Huh?
ancient whale
@dataclass
class Rat:
def __init__(self) -> None:
self.sprite = Enemies.rat_passive
self.level = 1
...
# should be
@dataclass
class Rat:
sprite = Enemies.rat_passive
level = 1```no but I can do class Rat(Enemy)
azure current
Yes. If enemy is a generic base class
That would make Rat a subclass
Also, I think with dataclasses you need the parent class to be a dataclass too
But I'm not 100% on that
Again someone in #internals-and-peps may be able to help
Some info on inheritance and dataclasses: https://stackoverflow.com/a/53085935/6529697
weak stone
@azure current holy shit shwmae!
azure current
wut?
azure current
I am so confused
deep saddle
so im looking to practice using an api that uses json, bit lost where to find one halp lol
deep saddle
oh thats a cool sugestion ty
hidden lintel
Who is the owner of tis server?
round moss
the owner as per discord is Joe
hidden lintel
ah ok tanks a lot
sweet meteor
where do i find documentation for youtype api?
oh nvm found it inhttps://python-youtube.readthedocs.io/en/latest/getting_started.html
sterile moon
i have a question
crude trail
What a coincidence, I have a question as well!
if you have an alignment chart and want to sort assignments into it.
Would it become an assignment chart?
ancient whale
transitive property?
sorry don't mean to bump it down but anyone know how to get rid of the check mark idk how I got it there
languid osprey
Hey :D
primal comet
what does the syntax look like
languid osprey
Heres an example of a calculator program ```
print("Welcome To My Calculator!");
x = input("Enter an operation: ");
if x == "plus" {
num1 = input("Num1: ");
num2 = input("Num2: ");
print(num1 + num2);
}
if x == "minus" {
num1 = input("Num1: ");
num2 = input("Num2: ");
print(num1 - num2);
}
if x == "mul" {
num1 = input("Num1: ");
num2 = input("Num2: ");
print(num1 * num2);
}
if x == "div" {
num1 = input("Num1: ");
num2 = input("Num2: ");
print(num1 / num2);
}
BTW, the repo i shared with you guys is the repo where I keep the latest code, the repo with the working code is different
The repo with the working code is the last completely working commit
I haven't made it yet though
civic plank
languid osprey
Huh?
civic plank
anyone know how could i do this
primal comet
yeah it does lol
languid osprey
Lol
i like brackets and semicolons :D
But I like the simplicity of python as well
torn cloak
#python-discussion would fit
obsidian widget
me thinks you're in the minority with that opinion
lol
specifically semi-colons
languid osprey
Functions are defined like this ```
function myfunction(){
print("FUNCITON!!");
}
i just like pythons simplicity
civic plank
@torn cloak image embeds are turned off on general π
primal comet
intresting
languid osprey
I like the simplicity
torn cloak
copy paste the task
primal comet
you dont like define?
civic plank
oh true
languid osprey
No, not really
vernal kelp
@obsidian widget In this community definitely, but I feel a vast majority of programmers prefer the explicit defining of start/end points for control structures and also instructions with {} & ;
languid osprey
If I did that, then it would be a little too much like python
Yeah, I like that brackets make the language seem more structured
obsidian widget
i agree with {}, and &, not sure about whether I personally feel the same about ;
languid osprey
I'm trying to implement try/catch at the moment, but it won't work
vernal kelp
& was being used as and
obsidian widget
maybe i am just traumatized
languid osprey
I like semicolons
vernal kelp
There was two options
languid osprey
It can define an ending for single line statements
vernal kelp
That's literally all it does
languid osprey
Lol
vernal kelp
Marks the end of an instruction/expression so line-endings are kind of irrelevant in most cases
languid osprey
Huh
halcyon tiger
im just going to celebrate because my app turned into an EXE after 2 months of trial and error
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
I'll put it on github soon
blazing marten
https://youtu.be/xPbJJO1yrE8
One of the most :o things i've done... suing pyautogui and time modules π
jovial island
Anyone here good with logic gates
nova ember
@halcyon tiger thatβs awesome! Good jobπ
nova ember
Yeah, it really is. That closing of 150 stack overflow tabs as well hahah. Itβs lovely
worldly berry
Hey guys, I was was in ot1, and I was wondering, how is the weather down here?
proper python
if anyone knows: how do you place an object into a scene through a script in unreal engine 3 with unrealscript
specifically, i want to place a texture2d onto any surface that an object collides with
i can already detect collisions and if its a surface, i also have the hitpoint and hitnormal, but all i need is a way to place the texture
tranquil ridge
nice ot name
vital sandal
Hey
slow valve
Who says I am Busy when they are Lazy? Not me I promise lol
final sable
Weaklings, I code to rest from my laziness
fluid plank
uhm okay
limber pollen
ot2-busy-being-lazy aren't we all?
somber belfry
2 bzy to rply
somber night
uhm okay
@fluid plank cool right?
tranquil ridge
lol
somber night
@fluid plank so I'm not cool? π’
slow valve
CoC for nerds lol
pure rune
oh mylanta, I had to scroll up to see what CoC was. Not what I thought it was
dim root
how do u pull from a repo? like if i have forked one, and it is behind, how do i pull it
zinc hatch
There's a bit in the Github docs to help you: https://docs.github.com/en/free-pro-team@latest/github/collaborating-with-issues-and-pull-requests/syncing-a-fork
It has steps to do it
don't forget to read the sentence before "point 1"
frozen shore
does somebody want to be beta tester for my app. its Breaker_0.3
clever salmonBOT
worldly berry
what is the app?
storm birch
pip install selenium
fresh pecan
Ok that was a very bad attempt to revive the chat
slow valve
ha
storm birch
if anything you put the nail in the coffin
fresh pecan
Lol
storm birch
selenium is neat....
slow valve
Yus
storm birch
lol, vsauce is great
slow valve
Deja Vu
storm birch
do you guys watch all the vsauce?
I panicked when Jake Roper announced he had cancer a few years ago. Still worried for that dude π
fresh pecan
No only Mike one
storm birch
that one is the best one haha
fresh pecan
Realisation: nobody calls him mike
storm birch
yeah, i did not want to say anything, I was just letting u b u
fresh pecan
Oof
somber belfry
No problem!
storm birch
!rule 4
clever salmonBOT
slow valve
ik
storm birch
yes
slow valve
okay
slow valve
okay
somber night
Javascript is more advanced than python.
tranquil ridge
fresh pecan
Bruh
tranquil ridge
no
storm birch
I was replying, until I saw that one lol
tranquil ridge
functional langs are for smart people, idk why js exists
somber night
I just started js like 40 minutes ago. Realised im too dumb
I cant even send a GET request
earnest lagoon
tranquil ridge
i think not
fresh pecan
Ok so in that way brainfuck is only for 999iq ppl? @somber night
earnest lagoon
Illuminati CONFIRMED
somber night
@fresh pecan yes
storm birch
I cant even send a GET request
axios.get()or something like that haha (for async)
dim root
https://i.imgur.com/0mS22IK.png (meant for python general)
tranquil ridge
?
fluid plank
@tranquil ridge i find him weird too, just close your eyes
tranquil ridge
fluid plank
but thats just when you open firefox
after it successfully loads
it goes back to 40
fluid plank
it is chromium
so of course it is xD
sorry i am back to firefox. loading times is faster xD
tranquil ridge
i will try firefox, maybe
fluid plank
oh lol no wonder
tranquil ridge
i had it open for a lot of time, the longer its opened the bigger the ram usage gets
fluid plank
well hmmm i find ram management in firefox better than chromium based ones when having many tabs
like they put it in standby until the tab is active
jovial island
nice manjaro i3?
river falcon
pallid violet
same line as the backticks
any of you know how to solve this
it just kinda showed up and I'd rather not configure python 2?
they were working fine like 30 mins ago idk what changed
slow valve
lol
rotund swallow
shrewd mica
wth is field
rotund swallow
idk
docs said that
class C:
mylist: list[int] = field(default_factory=list)
c = C()
c.mylist += [1, 2, 3]
this is from the docs
ancient whale
from dataclasses import field or dataclasses.field
rotund swallow
ooooohhh
ancient whale
ye I was struggling with those yesterday
@rotund swallow if you need to init the list with variables from the class you can do something like this too:
fyi
jovial island
Hey guys, do you know what I am doing wrong here?
#TheSpeedOfSoundWater
divisor = 49000
distance = 0
result = 0
#Get the distance.
distance = input("Enter the distance the sound wave will travel: ")
#validate the distance to make sure that it is > 0
while distance == 100:
print("Please enter a distance of 100")
distance = input()
#Calculate the time it will take the wave to travel
int(result) == divisor*distance
print("At a distance of %4d", divisor)
print("It will take %4d\n" % ((result * 100), " seconds"))
print("for the speed of sound to travel through water.")
keen burrow
Hey, you should take a look at #βο½how-to-get-help
grizzled sinew
fluid plank
π©
grizzled sinew
u cant add emojies to ur nick
fluid plank
i will show u xD
grizzled sinew
then go
fluid plank
:3
grizzled sinew
howww
fluid plank
wdym how? it is just unicode
fluid plank
@grizzled sinew search in google poop emoji
copy it
then /nick <your copypasted thing>
grizzled sinew
ayyyye pogos
fluid plank
now you know
grizzled sinew
thx
clever salmonBOT
Hey @jovial island!
halcyon tiger
Hi, I would be delighted if someone would use my app. I finally got it to become a EXE yesterday and what to share it to the public. Thanks, Famous8
jovial island
who wants to play a game?
pallid violet
@pallid violet would you like to try it out?
@halcyon tiger ummm, ||sry, i'm busy studying for tmr's exam||
halcyon tiger
its okay
frozen shore
https://r4yprojects.wordpress.com/2020/11/17/breaker-0-3-download/ please download my app and be the second betatester of it
anyone, please
languid osprey
Huh
ancient whale
lemme turn on my vpn and i'll check it out
languid osprey
I'd rather not install it
frozen shore
lemme turn on my vpn and i'll check it out
@ancient whale ok
I'd rather not install it
@languid osprey why
languid osprey
I'd just rather not
ancient whale
we have no clue what's in it
frozen shore
ok, thats fine
we have no clue what's in it
@ancient whale true, but i would hope that even someone would trust me in this thing
you can get more information from the website
ancient whale
It's the internet you can't really trust anyone :/
frozen shore
true
ancient whale
do you have a git repo for it?
ancient whale
you don't have the current version tho?
frozen shore
that is the source code of the first version
you don't have the current version tho?
@ancient whale no, not yet. i dont wanna share it bc someone might copy it
ancient whale
you can make repos private
frozen shore
@ancient whale just ask if u want more info
you can make repos private
@ancient whale can, i? im new with git
ancient whale
I mean i'd like to see the code so I know I'm not downloading malware
slow valve
why would anyone click on a random link and click start
frozen shore
yes
frozen shore
I mean i'd like to see the code so I know I'm not downloading malware
@ancient whale ok, ok. i can send the code in dms
somber belfry
you have 10 conditions
slow valve
why is there an y instead of f omg my ocd
frozen shore
Hey you should really be using lists
@somber belfry thats the old version
slow valve
bruh
somber belfry
ookay
frozen shore
i did different way on my new version of it
slow valve
ok
frozen shore
i mean like the first version sucks, i made it for my mom
but second and third versions are much better
slow valve
@frozen shore why don't you let your family members and friends try it?
frozen shore
well, i made it for my mom and hes using it but i want others to use it as well
@frozen shore why don't you let your family members and friends try it?
@slow valve and i dont have any brothers or sisters and my dad just doesnt want it
and well, my friends are using chromebooks and you cant use it with chromebook
halcyon tiger
@frozen shore I'll try your app out
frozen shore
thank you very much
halcyon tiger
send the link please
frozen shore
ok
somber belfry
@frozen shore you should update your github repo with the latest code.
Do not worry about other people stealing it, you are not gonna sell it, are ya?
If you are concerned, you can make the repo private
frozen shore
im not gonna sell it
somber belfry
But keeping it public will help you showcase it
frozen shore
send the link please
@halcyon tiger https://r4yprojects.wordpress.com/2020/11/17/breaker-0-3-download/
frozen shore
But keeping it public will help you showcase it
@somber belfry true, i will think about tha
halcyon tiger
is it a .exe?
ancient whale
ye
frozen shore
https://github.com/Famous8/PTCGUI
@halcyon tiger wich one of those files is the app
halcyon tiger
you have to install all of them in a zip file
frozen shore
is it a .exe?
@halcyon tiger yes,
halcyon tiger
press code
frozen shore
you have to install all of them in a zip file
@halcyon tiger ok
halcyon tiger
and press download as ZIP
frozen shore
what does your app do BTW
halcyon tiger
its a calculator for the Pythagorean Theorem
what did you compile the app with to create a .exe
ancient whale
why is it so big?
halcyon tiger
it has PyQT installed with it
bronze rapids
That's what...
frozen shore
what did you compile the app with to create a .exe
@halcyon tiger i used pyinstaller
halcyon tiger
me too
bronze rapids
why is it so big?
@ancient whale if I was Michael scott
halcyon tiger
what did you create the GUI with?
frozen shore
tkinter
what did you create the GUI with?
@halcyon tiger have you tried it yet
umm the app
halcyon tiger
its extracting the zip
ancient whale
@halcyon tiger which file has the logic?
frozen shore
ok, no need to hurry
ancient whale
I'm not going to, that why I want to know
slow valve
lol you changed it import
halcyon tiger
@frozen shore the icon doesnt work, you need to make it a .ico and install it insto the app
ancient whale
I did lol
frozen shore
@frozen shore the icon doesnt work, you need to make it a .ico and install it insto the app
@halcyon tiger ok
clever salmonBOT
Code evaluation is currently unavailable, but will be back soon!
somber belfry
It's under investigation
pallid violet
!e
print "Hello"
...
languid osprey
Huh
pallid violet
@languid osprey atleast it didn't give me error for using python 2
languid osprey
xD
languid osprey
Yeah its nice
pallid violet
True
Lol
slow valve
True this is better
languid osprey
True
slow valve
True
languid osprey
True
slow valve
nice one
pallid violet
extra polished
slow valve
I didn't think of that
languid osprey
Lol
ancient whale
eyy lmao
somber belfry
nice?
ancient whale
what's with the question mark lol
somber belfry
I don't know lol!
somber belfry
!server
clever salmonBOT
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somber belfry
hmm, wasn't this command staff only here?
primal comet
i thought so too
clever salmonBOT
keen burrow
Doesn't seem like so
somber belfry
I think my brain got oofed since the !user command is restricted
the rationale is clear though
Multiple people will do !user in a long chain whereas one !server command will be invoked ideally
keen burrow
Because of nitro snipers, it is usually a bad idea to send gifts here
uncut sail
more to the point, it's usually a bad idea to send discord gifts on a server full of programmers
stable pier
well that's a silly thing to say
because any programmer here using a nitro sniper can get in the fucking bin
full summit
let's do this calculus
radiant socket
poggers
golden flare
what is calc AB?
next token
In my understanding here high school calc is split into calc ABC, each taking about half a semester
So each semester you can take 2 of them, AB or BC
golden flare
ok so not like taking college calc 1 & 2 together
that's what I was thinking, that would be awful
full summit
calc AB includes calc A and B - year long course
next token
Well, A is kinda like the fundamentals, not much calc really
B is easy calc
C is less easy calc
full summit
calc C is just calc c - semester long course
golden flare
lmk if you need any help but im sure you'll be ok
full summit
calc BC includes calc A, B, and C - year long
next token
calc C is half a semester in my high school π€
golden flare
I wish I would have taken more math in HS
next token
We take calc A during the summer and calc BC during spring/autumn
Or if you're honors you can combine pre-calc and calc A in a semester
Messy system
full summit
yeah, it's a bit messy
calc BC including calc A, B, and C here makes no sense lol
and my friend just got me bubble tea, woohoo
unreal sigil
tea epic
zealous tide
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icy flicker
hm.. why does fires screenshot say "Questions: 74" but the last question is named "Question 72"?
full summit
look on the next row
full summit
lol
wheat aurora
That has the same vibe as "oh man, the questions on the back were hard"
".... there were questions on the back?"
full summit
hahahah, i feel that
fluid plank
ot name sounds amazing for some reason
jovial island
h
fluid plank
Double sided paper bs should be banned
@steel eagle whats double sided paper?
somber belfry
Paper with text on both sides
somber belfry
One will fail to flip the page and see the content on the other side
final sable
It's just confusing and requires more focus effort than with one sided paper
slow valve
SAVE PAPER!!! ~ Team Trees
worldly berry
if u wanna save trees, you should prob take electronic notes
slow valve
I do that actually
fluid plank
actually we cant mitigate global warming when making smart devices also contribute to greenhouse gas emissions
slow valve
Macro see ot1 lul
ancient whale
latex notes?
slow valve
nah
ancient whale
not a real gamerβ’οΈ
ancient whale
\documentclass{article}
\begin{document}
ok bud
\end{document}```Don't you doc me
ancient whale
@storm birch I definitly didn't forget about this but Eric Satie wrote a song called Vexations in which he notated
" Pour se jouer 840 fois de suite ce motif, il sera bon de se prΓ©parer au prΓ©alable, et dans le plus grand silence, par des immobilitΓ©s sΓ©rieuses"```
which roughly translates to:
```py
" In order to play this piece 840 times in succession, it would be good to prepare yourself in the deepest silence with complete immobility"```why is my autocorrect not working
storm birch
lolol, ahhh, that is great motivation to learn it then
storm birch
welp, challenge accepted haha
ancient whale
9 hrs later
storm birch
maybe then I wont ever accidentally mute part of my damn barre chords again
storm birch
I need to practice more in general haha
I have played this same patter probably like 300+ times today LOL
somber belfry
why would yo want to play that piece 840 times in succession?
ancient whale
he's not saying you should.. just how to prepare yourself if you do
somber belfry
oh, I was certainly confused by that
ancient whale
fresh pecan
||N E E D F U N P R O J E C T||
rotund swallow
make a language using python
fresh pecan
uh
keen burrow
!project don't worry Ned got you back
clever salmonBOT
rotund swallow
that site is kinda confusing
keen burrow
Confusing?
slow valve
Oh no cipher
keen burrow
Hey @slow valve, can you change back your pfp please? I don't mind the nick though
fresh pecan
Oh no cipher
@slow valve ?
slow valve
search cipher on google and read lol
stable pier
he's the evil one from the matrix who betrays mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmorpheus
slow valve
shhh
stable pier
i mean that was actually spelled cypher but lets not get bogged down in the details
the steak is delicious.
fresh pecan
slow valve
cypher is something else
@fresh pecan read the right side para lol
oh no wait let me send you the correct thing
stable pier
yeah i'm not getting it either
slow valve
earlier Caesar cipher was used for planning bomb attacks that is why I said oh no lol
keen burrow
the steak is delicious.
@stable pier somebody said steak? π
keen burrow
Isn't that because Caesar used it to communicate with his army or something?
stable pier
yup.
TWO THOUSAND AND SIXTY YEARS AGO
its relation to a bombing attack is very wat
stable pier
they probably filled some clay pots with burning oils or something
catapult that shit
keen burrow
Nah, the thing is with oil is a misconception
slow valve
bruh it was used for that though
keen burrow
Oils (and even water) was too much valuable back then to be wasted like that
stable pier
that's like saying paper was used to commit genocide
keen burrow
Well, not as much as back then
keen burrow
Not what the guide said last time I visited a Roman thing Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
stable pier
probably siege warfare type thing
burn them out of their compound
i know the greeks did it, idk about romans
keen burrow
Fair enough
stable pier
The Roman-Byzantine armies of the 6th century created "fire-pots", oil-based incendiary weapons which could be launched by hand or with ballistae.
i mean cmon man. if you were a large civilisation with one of the largest standing armies in the world you'd totally want to set people on fire from a distance.
slow valve
no lol
stable pier
poor military strategist
keen burrow
Hah well
stable pier
historical siege warfare is pretty intense
like one day you're minding your business being a peasant doing peasant stuff and the next an enemy is firing your dead cows over the walls at you
somber belfry
hmm, I've heard that caesar's nephew used a shift value of 1
fluid plank
they use cows as projectiles?
stable pier
yes.
fluid plank
thats gotta hurt and that is also disgusting xD
somber belfry
kids these days have drones that fire heat seeking projectiles smh
stable pier
you wouldn't farm your cows inside the bailey, they'd be farmed outside of the castle yo
so when the enemy attacks they can just kill your cows
and fire them over the castle walls
somber belfry
instant steak
fluid plank
xD
stable pier
now, you try hauling the rotting corpse of a cow up massive flights of stairs to get it outside the castle
it's an early form of biological warfare
fluid plank
without the disease?
stable pier
having a load of dead rotting cows laying about the place is probably not good for general health
fluid plank
just flesh
somber belfry
poop? then they will not even notice any difference
fluid plank
well that makes sense. also it is hard to type using 10 fingers fudsasda
fluid plank
castles are the toilets
stable pier
castle toilet.
somber belfry
ooooh
stable pier
you poop straight outside of the castle
somber belfry
ooooh
stable pier
there's a castle near me that's right on a river
and the toilets are all on the river side
so you poop straight into the river and it gets carried away
10/10 sewage management
fluid plank
how many fossilized human poop did you find?
keen burrow
like one day you're minding your business being a peasant doing peasant stuff and the next an enemy is firing your dead cows over the walls at you
Hahahaha
"firing your dead cows over the walls at you"
stable pier
iirc it was built in the 10th century and then repeatedly expanded on until the 16th century
keen burrow
Noice
fluid plank
so are people still living in it or?
stable pier
no, it's a tourist attraction.
pretty fallen apart
me and my gf purchased wooden swords in the gift shop and spent half a day prancing around the place having sword fights
because we're adults
fluid plank
wow is it amazing to imagine how time flies so fast in history.
keen burrow
Sounds very adult to me
fluid plank
just watching the contrast between the modern and medieval
stable pier
kids can't buy shit, they aint got no money
keen burrow
Exactly
somber belfry
:(
keen burrow
As an adult, if you want to spend your afternoon during sword fights, you can!
keen burrow
Also, mandatory xkcd https://xkcd.com/303/
stable pier
:D
keen burrow
Haha
fluid plank
and thats her gf
keen burrow
Katty Kathy doesn't do programming though, does she?
jovial island
you dont have to program to enjoy sword fights with programmers
jovial island
the programmer would, and the other person is simply a programmers aid, helping said programmer relieve stress π
wow, companies should hire us these aids
somber belfry
biskette?
stable pier
kathy
somber belfry
oh
keen burrow
Woops
jovial island
kat
jovial island
ka
somber belfry
I'm guessing calling her biskuette is also out of question
stable pier
new one, i'll test it out
jovial island
lol
tranquil ridge
bitty
tranquil ridge
bitty skit ?
keen burrow
I think this is a slap too
jovial island
even better when you say it and you are referring to yourself as third person
stable pier
she's actually had to learn to call me bisk
as she used to drop in on jackbox games.
keen burrow
Hah, that's true
tranquil ridge
katherine ?
keen burrow
Everybody knows that your real name is biskette anyway
tranquil ridge
katarys!
slow valve
Vivek you here
slow valve
my backup is done
somber belfry
boot from the USB
slow valve
let me double check last time
somber belfry
okay
somber belfry
okay
boot from the USB
slow valve
I will get my phone wait
Okay I am booting it rn
Um I press F12 it launches the manjaro login screen
@somber belfry it used to give boot manager
somber belfry
or was that from the manjaro installed on your system?
slow valve
Usb
slow valve
Nvm it worked
somber belfry
what worked?
were you able to login with your previous username and password?
then that is the manjaro installed on your hard drive
you need to bring up the boot selection menu from where you can choose to boot from the USB device
slow valve
Boot manager
somber belfry
okay
bronze rapids
Do u guys know each other irl
deep saddle
how big is the backend server ie space used for something like spotify ?
somber belfry
Do u guys know each other irl
@bronze rapids no
slow valve
ok I am here
slow valve
let me get to the partitions part
somber belfry
ok
somber belfry
you should do erase disk in the installer
slow valve
what is swap
slow valve
so should I go with No Swap?
slow valve
No swap
Swap (no hibernate)
Swap (with hibernate)
somber belfry
do the third option
somber belfry
yes, click on next
slow valve
Final result
somber belfry
I set my keyboard and system language to American
slow valve
Fresh manjaro installing
somber belfry
okay
slow valve
bcuz we here use British English
somber belfry
because now you have the rupee symbol rather than the dollar symbol
slow valve
$
somber belfry
let us see after the install
somber belfry
yes
jovial island
le'ts be honest
windows vista
is the only good OS
any OS before or after
is bad
windows vista is even more open source than linux
it's data protection os so much higher
it's just god's OS
it runs so smoothly
it's like the OS made for gaming
somber belfry
okay
You have convinced me
jovial island
it's just god's OS
@jovial island back the heck off
templeos
is gods os
yese
templeos
sorry
I forgot
π
windows vista is like a demigod's os
templeOS
will always be god's OS
and dont you forget it!
π
I wont
I got templeOS
on my
virtual box
jovial island
I set up a vm for it
jovial island
sorry, it's just a habit 
stable pier
just gets a bit noisy. :D
i actually purchased Windows Vista Ultimate on launch for full price
think i've still got the CD Key sticker somewhere
clever salmonBOT
Hey @frozen shore!
steel eagle
Jones aside, other than a rocky launch, vista was actually quite good.
stable pier
eh, i disagree.
there were a lot of positive advancements but it wasn't polished enough
and it suffered from awful overtime performance degradation
maybe that got fixed in later service packs, i don't know. i just went straight back to XP
steel eagle
I never had that issue even on earlier SPs
despite the service packs being out, I had no idea to get them for a while on my first computer
π
pure rune
if you think about it, egg salad is still chicken salad
somber belfry
π
jovial island
window 10
stable pier
not if it's made with duck or goose egg
fiery robin
VIVE LA RESISTANCE CONTRE DU WINDOWS VISTA! WINDOWS 10 4 LIFE (apologies for what is probably horrible french)
somber night