is kord the framework you made
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
sand goblet
Kord-extensions
Kord does the protocol, caching, low level stuff
Kord-extensions provides an extensions system, a bunch of utils, a commands framework with rich argument parsing
It's been fun to write honestly
Couldn't really do that in Python, everyone yells at you for not using discord.py
quick ledge
hahaha
rough sapphire
are you going to make like a documentation for it so other people can use it
sand goblet
It is fully documented and in production right now
mild abyss
i see
sand goblet
Although I am redoing the docs atm
mild abyss
๐
sand goblet
You can find it at https://kord-extensions.docs.(LANG)discord.com for the time being
That's the old version though, I'm moving from Orchid to dokka and mkdocs
The command parsing stuff is totally different now though
I've been going all in on the idea of "if it compiles, then it probably works"
mild abyss
i see adding it to my bookmarks
simple sand
the site is pretty cool
mild abyss
f
rough sapphire
is the site up
rough sapphire
yeah i get teh same
sand goblet
I'll double check, it's on GH pages though
About to hit my desk anyway
oh, it seems discord added a / or something
that'll be it
yeah, see, it put a slash before the bracket
sand goblet
docs work for me
mild abyss
found it
sand goblet
just remove the / before (LANG) and replace (LANG) ofc
anyway, feel free to yell at me on the discord if you need me
or here, ping me, whatever works
I've gotta get back to docs haha
quick ledge
good luck with the server ๐
sand goblet
thanks \o/
bleak lintel
hmmm i have pings here
I'm curious about your per hour activity graph @bleak lintel
@solid pollen
solid pollen
Do you... sleep?
rough sapphire
...when?
bleak lintel
well, this is since August 25th bear in mind
so there are dates in there where I went to bed at a normal hour and woke up at 6 or 7 legitimately
rough sapphire
you need more than 4 hours of sleep !!
bleak lintel
I get more than 4 hours, don't worry!
solid pollen
sometimes
bleak lintel
It's just that the schedule shifts over time
quick ledge
#the-what-is-going-on-in-here-lounge
scarlet wind
Vivek
I changed my date and time using sudo date --set="<Date>" but when I reboot it is messed up again
mild abyss
actually you should use timedatectl
not that haha
also i should sleep now
it is 11PM here
goodnight
scarlet wind
Gn
mild abyss
@scarlet wind you can search timedatectl in the forums or google. it is ez to understand. goodluck
scarlet wind
Is it timedatectl-restorer?
mild abyss
ah no just timedatectl
scarlet wind
let me see
scarlet wind
it is not there
mild abyss
not in ubuntu?
scarlet wind
Manjaro xfce
mild abyss
no type timedatectl in the terminal
Is it timedatectl-restorer?
@scarlet wind where is this though?
i never heard that option before
new things i see
scarlet wind
mild abyss
also goodnight
scarlet wind
datetimectl cmd worked in terminal thx
edgy crest
@mild abyss banana girl
edgy crest
oh soz
scarlet wind
lol
narrow pecan
Isnโt it that, but with Joe on top?
And they just call it Shrek for some strange reason?
wheat lynx
Is it joe on shrek on mike wazowski?
narrow pecan
I would think so
quick bay
joe shronk?
wheat lynx
Yeeees
quick bay
i cant tell which type of long yes that is. a yeEhhEs??? or a YEEEES?
wheat lynx
I don't even know what the first one is so I'll go with the second
median domeBOT
Who KNows
ancient stream
.uwu I knows
median domeBOT
I knows
ancient stream
XD
narrow pecan
You knows?
scenic blaze
I need to set the expectations with my boss that he's never going to get more than one new feature a day >.>
He's like "That's really awesome, what about this other feature?"
dies
narrow pecan
Welp. That sounds kind of smart
scenic blaze
At least I was able to set the expectation that I cannot improve run time without sacrificing performance
narrow pecan
That's at least something ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
rough sapphire
a feature a day is a lot
scenic blaze
It really is
rough sapphire
maybe aim for one a week :^)
scenic blaze
Yeah, I was just so surprised when I showed him the completion of a feature weeks ahead of schedule that the first thing he asked about was another new feature
I mean, it's next on my docket, but...
I'm not THAT good
rough sapphire
what do you mean, you dont have both done??
narrow pecan
It depends on what feature it is @rough sapphire
scenic blaze
cries
narrow pecan
By the way, did you notice the new server icon?
scenic blaze
Oh nice, it's different
scenic blaze
Oh, sweet! It looks really cool
narrow pecan
Thankss
ancient stream
@eternal wing, they told me 550/mnth with just me on the payments. Wife had to work so I went to see what if anything could happen first.
But they also said it would end up being a 2021 corolla or camry
thats why the payments would be that much
because of me being 5k under on my car
eternal wing
That is pretty high.
Ohhhh, that makes sense for a 2021.
Yeah, I mean, that is what they go for at that price. I exclusively buy pre-owned. I do not consider a jee car really worth it.
But that process is pretty decent for that car.
Crazy mpg on those camries too
ancient stream
yeah, but too thats with my bankruptcy and only my income on the app, not my wifes or her income. And if we had a little for a down payment it would help too he said. They are going to look for me and see what they can get me in for 200-300
I originally asked them about older cars, like the 2012 prius and the camry but they said with the negative equity on our car it would be hard
New topic, the 3060ti specs are looking pretty spicy. Think it would be a good leap from older cards?
frozen thorn
You could try to save cash and buy a car outright. Like keep current car and save cash to buy your next car. I guess $3000+ or so.
That's what Dave Ramsey would say lol. Check him out on Youtube
rough sapphire
I want to buy samsung mobile phone
frozen thorn
Oh you should see mine. I got it for $150 and looks much better/modern than iPhone.
Samsung A20
rough sapphire
A20 is older thought
frozen thorn
Released April 2019
rough sapphire
Now the new releases is A51
lofty dirge
Dave Ramsey is great for some debt advice, his investing advice isn't all that great
rough sapphire
Whos dave
frozen thorn
personal money-management expert
rough sapphire
Aha
frozen thorn
He is also radio host. He post videos on youtube
rough sapphire
Yes i dont need new one i can do usuall staff with my current mobile phone
lofty dirge
yea, mobile phones have long hit "good enough point" for most people
frozen thorn
Yeah that's what I would do
lofty dirge
iPhone 12 has brand new A12X PROCESSOR! Yea, what am I going to do with that? My youtube videos already look fine and I doubt it will make my discord audio sound any better
frozen thorn
Make no sense spending 400+ for a phone.
rough sapphire
I dont need slow motion and tgat camera
lofty dirge
I'm still rocking iPhone7+
frozen thorn
Well A20 has great camera and has virtual reality feature thingy on Youtube. I didn't know that when I bought it tho.
lofty dirge
for Android devices, you can't go wrong with Pixels
rough sapphire
Yeah a20 is fail enough to buy
frozen thorn
Python software foundation. A company owns it I guess
rough sapphire
Aha
frozen thorn
Yesterday, I bought raspbeerpi.com, but I realized I can get in trouble because of trademarks lol
frozen thorn
Hmm, it's selling for $6000.
frozen thorn
sup
frozen thorn
Same
rough sapphire
:c
frozen thorn
I prefer python lol
rough sapphire
Same, I was learning some intermediate concepts to start some projects in Cybersec
rough sapphire
oof
junior sphinx
They don't make much of a profit to begin with...
frozen thorn
He didn't like teslamotors.com lol
rough sapphire
Teslaelon
rough sapphire
Damn
frozen thorn
Just wanted to say but I just bought raspberrypi.ai lol. Idk why there's no parking page tho
rough sapphire
your site is nt hosted
frozen thorn
it's active. weird
Whatever i buy domains, they are already hosted on namecheap. Maybe smth to do with .ai
junior sphinx
Names here are nice
manic bloom
Continuing this convo, how much profit would the average person make from buying and re-selling domains?
narrow pecan
How much would the average person make from buying and reselling houses?
It depends on a lot
manic bloom
okay
narrow pecan
I donโt have any real knowledge in that specific area though
Thatโs more of a general statement
eternal wing
hello, I finally got my docker setup playing nice with apache and I am happy.
That is all
mild abyss
lol discord rich presence is sometimes stupid to use ngl
eternal wing
is your username halo as in the game, or halo-halo
wait, were you doing docker stuff too? lol
mild abyss
vester said my username is too long so i omitted some letters and changed the spelling
@eternal wing thats not me haha
mild abyss
sudo?
eternal wing
sudo docker ps
if it is not configured to run without sudo. The error message is not clear either
eternal wing
anyway, friendo site is now up properly
mild abyss
it is like me first time using pacman and not using sudo
frozen thorn
What's the site?
frozen thorn
lmao
eternal wing
so it is https://www.friendo.us/api
mild abyss
so it is still empty i see
eternal wing
to actually get to the useful part
mild abyss
but it is up
eternal wing
the site is far from empty, there just is no front end except for admin and the api playground
I will probably make a landing page with an invite link one of these days
maybe today? who knows
it is just a backend for the bot, so the site does not need any real front end
mild abyss
i see. also... this week... i think i will have a lot of reqs to wreck me
๐
fuck college imma go sleep and procrastinate lololol
eternal wing
if you sleep now, we will be near the same sleep schedule
frozen thorn
life > college
scarlet wind
college life ใ school life
frozen thorn
Yes. Espically >> high school life
scarlet wind
Yup
frozen thorn
Dang, now I can't imagine 7 hrs a day of school work.
ancient stream
Sorry fell, I avoid youtube like the plague. I hate it lol but thanks for the advice.
Also, does anyone know of they allow loud laughing in Hawaii? Or is it just a low ha
eternal wing
LOL great pun
ancient stream
The enterprise!
eternal wing
starwars > startrek ๐
ancient stream
I like both, but the humor in Startrek is better imo lol
eternal wing
I need to watch more startrek, it is a bit too dry for me most the time though
frozen thorn
I'm watching DC's Legends of Tomorrow. Their humors are pretty good.
ancient stream
Ugh closing shift takes forever, waiting on wifey
I can't wait till they make another movie. I really enjoy the current cast
closing
ancient stream
I definitely do. Enough to buy all three instead of sailing the high seas >~>
eternal wing
yarrr, yes. Who even sails anyways hides peg leg
ancient stream
Ya sailing the high seas is bad! I never do it ever. Nope not me. That's why my middle name is straight edge
eternal wing
I have been really enjoying the mandalorian with my disney+ "membership"
ancient stream
I should shut up before I get in trouble lol
eternal wing
down the drain
ancient stream
Ugh, been sitting here 24 minutes waiting for that girl.
eternal wing
LOL, I know that feel
ancient stream
Closing shift are lazy asses x.x
eternal wing
My ex worked at a hair salon for a bit, and they were so lazy there, it took so long for her to get out lol
ancient stream
That's okay, I'm sitting in the parking lot. Music up blasting some Journey, Don't stop believing
It's 46f out tho, kinda chilly lol
eternal wing
lol, listening to metal in parking lots has gotten me some stares before... today even
ancient stream
Ya I normally get stares when I listen to EDM like this lol
eternal wing
those genres make me drive fast lol
ancient stream
Same! It's well one of the reasons I can't have a fast car
eternal wing
im safe at home, so I am questioning if I should drink whiskey
ancient stream
I easily could do 120+ without thinking T.T
eternal wing
my car can get me in a bit of trouble, not too much though
eternal wing
my roommates drank way too much rum once and now they wont touch it.
I am just not a huge fan
@robust briar can confirm
ancient stream
Okay now I got looks. But now Foghat is blaring lol
eternal wing
hell yeah
ancient stream
Oop there she is. Bbs!
eternal wing
drive safe, haha
frozen thorn
Even I'm too scared to drive a 2010 sedan car.
eternal wing
you just need to get good lol, why scared?
frozen thorn
Too fast lmao. That's why I'm still driving 2002.
I'm sure I can get used to it if I had one.
eternal wing
you should get a mustang
frozen thorn
Also one of the reasons why I don't like CVT transmission
Yeah someday
Weird when you cannot feel the gear shifting
eternal wing
yeah, I drive manual haha. Automatics makes me mad
@clever hinge add a microwave death ray LOL
clever hinge
well its a dungeon
frozen thorn
Lol. Like the ray in COD zombie
frozen thorn
So like simple design?
clever hinge
i mean ig that could work somehow?
yeah
its for a school project i just wasnt coming up with any ideas
frozen thorn
What's the melee weapon for?
clever hinge
a dungeon word game I am coding into python
i have an inv system, now i just need to check the weapons for the inv system
frozen thorn
Oh I see
clever hinge
I am also going to add a drops function I just want to finish the inv function first
and I need ideas for melee weapons for the word game
frozen thorn
Does swords, spears, flails, boomerangs count?
scarlet wind
Banana sword
frozen thorn
I don't rly have any ideas, but the list from here are really cool asdf
lol I forgot how to do that
scarlet wind
Bruh
clever hinge
what a nerd
frozen thorn
Sigh.
clever hinge
its not even halloween yet
frozen thorn
It's over lol
clever hinge
not sure, i dont have github
frozen thorn
Weirdest thing i have ever seen
frozen thorn
Do you have it too?
frozen thorn
I have no idea what you mean lol. I just went to github.com like normally
terse sluice
click on your profile picture
frozen thorn
Top right? It gives me a list of repos, profile, gists, etc.
Otherwise, just a profile settings
terse sluice
click on feature preview
should be a feature to try out there
last time i got the new UI changes i think
wonder what it is this time
frozen thorn
Yeah you are right. I clicked on feature preview and enabled container update. The blue dot went away.
Improved container support
terse sluice
ahh cool
i guess it'd be more intuitive if there was a blue dot next to feature preview as well
frozen thorn
Yeah lol. Was confusing af
scarlet wind
Hey I have one question
my D drive is full of photos and it will take a lot of time to back them up any other thing I can do? to save them
frozen thorn
I guess get an external drive or save them to cloud.
Google drive has 15GB free. I think there are better optoins.
scarlet wind
It takes a lot of time
scarlet wind
Good idea
frozen thorn
Oh I remember you from the other day. How did the linux stuff go?
scarlet wind
Not good
Win7 ded
But now I am backing up the C drive and D drive and then re install linux manjaro with all the space
frozen thorn
Oh I see. What happened to Win7?
eternal wing
very cool
eternal wing
ohhh, you were the one that bought that domain, right?
manic bloom
that actually looks reallyyyyyyyyy good
mild abyss
raspbeerpi?
frozen thorn
Thanks! Should I add any more?
Yeah, but cuz of trademarks. It's raspibeer
I own both
mild abyss
hmm tbh i find the placement of the raspberry awkward
frozen thorn
Ya. 1 sec
frozen thorn
It's done. Looks pretty good with your idea.
Time to come up with the template for my site
midnight dirge
Why does adding a . to the end of a full file/folder name breaks it on windows?
midnight dirge
Fair enough
cosmic lotus
what does a microwave death ray sound like
eternal wing
the sound of death
ancient stream
I assume it probably sounds like kpop
latent scaffold
cosmic lotus
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
mild abyss
i just want to share something
if you want ranger image previews to work when youre using fish as the shell, install fish-git in the aur rather than fish
rough sapphire
it is still being rolled out slowly
edgy crest
i wonder if it is good or bad, i mean we do have quote
versed saffron
reply looks a lot better
I wonder if embeds will still be shown when replying to a link
edgy crest
hmmm i c i c
versed saffron
how so?
uneven pine
this is a different type of formatting
Certain bots and servers use this to display information
uneven pine
I do as well, in some places, iirc
so if they remove that formatting, I'll rain hell down on discord HQ
edgy crest
our precious uwu command uses this
edgy crest
.uwu dont remove this pls
median domeBOT
dont wemove dis pws
edgy crest
see
mellow spire
uneven pine
it is definitely a nice feature
versed saffron
can't you still copy the message contents?
mellow spire
edgy crest
hey that name is..
mellow spire
of fisher ๐
edgy crest
yes
mellow spire
he knows that ๐
edgy crest
yes i remember now, you were asking him for perms to use it
he said its ok as long as you dont pretend to be him
mellow spire
yep
narrow pecan
@gleaming citrus I made this one in Procreate on my iPad. Quite fun to just play around with
gleaming citrus
eyyy i have that program too!
narrow pecan
Aah, nice
narrow pecan
Procreate is great
gleaming citrus
it is
narrow pecan
It's very... pro to create with
quick ledge
hmm, teach a man to fish and he will ping 99000 people
simple sand
๐
oak tangle
@edgy crest Yes, we had a slight issue with the help channels because of connections errors to Discord
edgy crest
ah i see
simple sand
ok and?
sharp merlin
nothing it's just a meme
gentle moss
Off-topic discussion. Please keep it clean and respect ongoing conversations. See https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources/guides/off-topic-etiquette/
off topic is not a meme dump
marsh hatch
@green loom
I don't purport for either of my methods to be optimum here. But it seems deleting every nth character may be a whole order of magnitude faster than keeping the rest
setup = """\
def drop_nth_chars(thestr, n=4):
l = list(thestr)
del l[n-1::n]
return ''.join(l)
def keep_nth_chars(thestr, n=4):
newstr = []
for i, c in enumerate(thestr, 1):
if i % n != 0:
newstr.append(c)
return ''.join(newstr)
"""
>>> timeit.timeit("drop_nth_chars('HelloWorld'*100)", setup=setup, number=10000)
0.13867702799996096
>>> timeit.timeit("keep_nth_chars('HelloWorld'*100)", setup=setup, number=10000)
1.0399814239999614
chilly sinew
The first solution will inevitably be faster regardless in most cases
Just because of how it's executed
@marsh hatch
The second function you're forcing it to iterate in python byte code, instead of just calling native functions that will execute in C
marsh hatch
Yeah. I can't say I'm exactly surprised
chilly sinew
Similar to how sum(myList) will be much faster than writing your own implementation of sum:
total = 0
for x in myList:
total += x
I just don't know if either of those solutions are actually "good"
chilly sinew
Haven't had a good look at what you're trying to achieve so can't really comment any further than I have
graceful basin
@green saffron this is not the server to post random memes in.
green saffron
solid pollen
Welcome to the community then!
solid pollen
I think our mods already have enough work for that haha
rough sapphire
democracy at work
itll open up more mod spots
people get more money and raises in the promo, economy moves better as more meme money in the flow
everyone wins
basic economics 101
;D
uneven pine
Yeah no. We have way too young of a general audience here for a meme channel
uncut coral
yea
uneven pine
It would take the time of all the mods plus more, believe me, I have been an admin in that situation, and I see that situation unfold every day
graceful basin
I am scrolling though meme channels on other servers I am in rn and like 99% of it breaks CoC.
uneven pine
For example on tbe r6 siege server, constant spew of racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc in the memes channel
It's pretty unsightly
rough sapphire
breaks chain of command?
uncut coral
yup
rough sapphire
wat
uneven pine
Code of conduct
rough sapphire
oh
uneven pine
...
rough sapphire
dont ... me because i dont know your acronym and know it to mean something else ๐
๐ฆ
uneven pine
Also discord moderates heavily partnered servers
uncut coral
lol
uneven pine
So all it takes is one report to lose partnership
uncut coral
yea ^
uneven pine
It's a huge risk for servers like this
uncut coral
its very fragile
rough sapphire
fair enough
graceful basin
and really, what would we gain?
rough sapphire
nothing
graceful basin
if programmerhumor can't have more than like 6 overused jokes for months at a time, we probably can't do any better
rough sapphire
we can just use the reddit spot i linked lol
uncut coral
thats y a discord called r/programing discussions is not partnered
it has a meme channel
empty shuttle
Whenever I dive deeper into the realm of Python I realize how much natural sciences relies on CS
low chasm
woeful cipher
brisk spruce
My grades are good in my programming class but it could be better in electric circuits and technical drawing
brisk spruce
For me itโs just finding the motivation to study something I donโt enjoy that is hard
my brain is like "why do 3d modeling when you can play a game or do some coding instead"
gentle moss
what is the thing i'm constantly saying about offtopic?
versed saffron
speaking of funny memes
that spike is all from last night
I think I'm starting to understand why I'm always tired
uncut coral
lol
gentle moss
glowstik
please don't dump random videos or memes into off topic
this is not a thing this server approves of
Off-topic discussion. Please keep it clean and respect ongoing conversations. See https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources/guides/off-topic-etiquette/
please read the etiquette guide in the topic.
graceful basin
@uncut coral do read the off topic etiquette as per ^
uncut coral
k srry
versed saffron
the one from a couple years ago?
empty shuttle
no the one today
gentle moss
did any of the old wrinkly farts asking questions have a fucking clue what they were doing?
that was the case last time zuck went to a senate hearing
versed saffron
^ that's what I meant by 'the same'
gentle moss
old people in power with no idea how technology works trying to quiz someone about technology
it's like.... you have an entire office full of aides
couldn't they look into this for you?
pre-write some questions?
so you don't look like an out of touch moron at the very least
gentle moss
during the first set of hearings AOC was pretty good at asking questions
they were well structured and targeted
but then again she's like 31 and knows wtf a phone is
i remember one senator asking Zuck about that conspiracy where Google is listening to you through the microphone on your phone and i was just like
this dude seemed to think that Facebook could do something about that? idk. it was weird.
strong forge
Does anyone know stuff about logic gates
solid pollen
What's up with those?
strong forge
I need help
solid pollen
Well, what do you exactly need assistance with?
solid pollen
You can ask here
rough sapphire
Hey, everyone! My professor and I developed a simulator for swarm robots in C/C++ and had a fair bit of success. Now I am thinking of implementing a buddy system for the robots where the 2 robots will work together within the swarm and would be considered as a single entity. I am looking for someone who would be interested in mentoring/collaborating with me towards my objective.
Objective : Develop a new kilobot simulator rather than using vrep simulator. Kilobots are these amazing small and really cheap robots with limited capabilities but work amazingly for academic purposes. We are currently trying to study the emergent swarm behavior of agents working in a "buddy system" aka pairs within a swarm. The objective is to study the emergent behavior of the swarm resulting from robots working in pairs within a swarm and develop a decentralized control algorithm
quick ledge
Good luck!
Asking in a C++ server could get you a better response, if you haven't already
undone harbor
hey guys
undone harbor
can someone recommend me a working andriod emulator for pop os :((
How are you?
@rough sapphire I'm doing good how about yourself ?
rough sapphire
Hm, Limbo is a good one.
undone harbor
okay let me check it out
rough sapphire
@rough sapphire I'm doing good how about yourself ?
@undone harbor I'm good, thanks
rough sapphire
okay let me check it out
@undone harbor They only have an APK to on their website
bluestacks
@undone harbor ohh
Like that
undone harbor
yeah
rough sapphire
You can get the android studio app
rough sapphire
Than you can run an android emulator
undone harbor
would that give me what's app?
rough sapphire
When you isntall the unsatble build you can get android 11
would that give me what's app?
@undone harbor android studio
undone harbor
so i should download andriod studio?
rough sapphire
Yep
undone harbor
is it for developing...?
rough sapphire
It is designed to do that, yes.
But it has an build in android emulator
undone harbor
okay
another silly question
but why doesn't discord have spellcheck on linux
@rough sapphire
sorry
sorry for ping idky that happend
rough sapphire
but why doesn't discord have spellcheck on linux
@undone harbor Idk, Ubuntu 20.10 has support. Pop os is based on Debian like Ubuntu.
sorry for ping idky that happend
@undone harbor Oh, it's fine ๐
undone harbor
okay
rough sapphire
Maybe try using a different client like https://lightcord.github.io/https://lightcord.github.io/
Sorry for spamming that link
rough sapphire
No, you can install it and see if that works. Otherwise delete lightcord.
You can keep the normal discord client
undone harbor
rough sapphire
Save it
undone harbor
then unzip it right?
rough sapphire
git clone https://github.com/Lightcord/Lightcord
cd Lightcord
npm run devInstall
npm test
Is jou use npm
If you use npm*
lofty dirge
use of alternative discord client is likely against their rules
since it's "Selfbot"
rough sapphire
those things break every update anyways
like 2 years ago a ton of people used betterdiscord but literally every update it would break and have to be reinstalled
undone harbor
but its not even fair man
its so bs
why doesn't linux have that spell check
that's like so stupid to not implement
look at how many updates they have per day
like 2
tawny valley
Hello
undone harbor
why don't they make an actual useful update
and enable spell check on their discord
like its been making me so stupid making these spell mistakes
and everyone's trying to correct my spelling acting like they're my english teacher or some bs
tawny valley
When you make a server And make a spell mistake on a channel it doesn't fix the mistake.
Lots of things like when you make a discord channel you cant put any of the words in caps it only works with VCs that was bothering me a lot today.
rough sapphire
Hunter are you saying the discord client on linux doesnt have spell check? weird
tawny valley
It happens often
lofty dirge
I think itโs because discord plug-ins native spell check provided in respective OS and Linux doesnโt provide that natively
marsh hatch
@frozen crane do you use type hinting much?
marsh hatch
Well I've just written a program at work and I want to actually document/test it properly since its a proper suite rather than just a few scripts like I have most often
*Yeah I know it's easier to do that stuff from the start, but here we are
Just every time I start with type hints I get rapidly put off by how much detail I need
frozen crane
hey, I've been working on a library as a side project, and the tests are written after the fact and have low coverage
at least for now
here's the question though: how extensively are you using them?
marsh hatch
What do you mean?
frozen crane
because I only really use them for function/method signatures
I don't do it for every variable
marsh hatch
Oh right, yeah I was intending it to be for functions/methods/class inits
Sort of a "self-documenting code" deal
I'm contracted and I want the code to be easy to grasp for whoever takes it on next
And I come from a scientific research background where standards were secondary to results, but I really want to get into more proper SE/Dev roles so I'm trying to work on my standards
frozen crane
well, here's something I wrote relatively recently (two weeks ago) https://github.com/swfarnsworth/bratlib/blob/statistical_significance/bratlib/calculators/relation_statistical_significance.py
it's not done btw
but I think it's a pretty good indicator of when I do and don't use type annotations
huh, this needs more docstrings
marsh hatch
What's going on here:
class RelationLookupDict(UserDict, t.Dict[t.Tuple[bd.Entity, bd.Entity], str]):
```?@marsh hatch it indicates that the whole class is a dict where those are the key-value types you can expect
marsh hatch
that looks like a Typehint is part of the inheritance tree
frozen crane
yes
frozen crane
I actually brought this up in #internals-and-peps earlier. I'll show you
!e
import typing as t
class SomeDict(t.Dict[t.Tuple[int, int], str]): pass
print(SomeDict.__mro__)
royal lakeBOT
@frozen crane :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
(<class '__main__.SomeDict'>, <class 'dict'>, <class 'typing.Generic'>, <class 'object'>)
huh, this isn't too interesting
!e
import typing as t
class SomeDict(t.Mapping[t.Tuple[int, int], str]): pass
print(SomeDict.__mro__)
@frozen crane :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
(<class '__main__.SomeDict'>, <class 'collections.abc.Mapping'>, <class 'collections.abc.Collection'>, <class 'collections.abc.Sized'>, <class 'collections.abc.Iterable'>, <class 'collections.abc.Container'>, <class 'typing.Generic'>, <class 'object'>)
some of the aliases cause you to inherit from certain ABCs
marsh hatch
So what is the purpose of this
frozen crane
I'm pretty sure that, given class RelationLookupDict(UserDict, t.Dict[t.Tuple[bd.Entity, bd.Entity], str]):, a linter would assume that all keys need to be that kind of tuple and all values need to be str, and that's why I didn't type hint the methods for that class.
marsh hatch
Ah ok
Well that seems like a tricksy sort of case
Can I show you this for example:
def map_credentials(
credentials: Dict[str, Any],
creddict: Dict[str, str] = None
) -> Dict[str, Any]:
So basically. I don't actually know if Any is right, but the values just have to be coercible to str, so they could be almost anything
Then with creddict I default it to be None but I haven't put Optional and I don't know whether that is right?
frozen crane
that I'm not sure about. We use type hinting in the bot and I think anything with a default argument gets wrapped in Optional
!source
royal lakeBOT
marsh hatch
Hmm ok
And import typing as t is that a sort of accepted norm now?
Kind of like import pandas as pd?
rough sapphire
Anyone here good with logic gates?
mild abyss
@marsh hatch it actually depends.
marsh hatch
On what?
mild abyss
also google colabs is cool
@marsh hatch depends on how you wanna rename it. i rename it based on convenience, and for people to read the code
most people use pd for pandas, so i also do that as well
okay i gotta eat breakfast
marsh hatch
Ah I see what you mean
graceful basin
@rough sapphire please don't post your question into every off topic channel. There are 3 so that multiple conversations may happen at once
mint lichen
just finished going through this... really interesting, if anyone's bored and has 30 minutes to spare
midnight dirge
Nicky does a lot of good social games. Another example: https://ncase.itch.io/wbwwb
gleaming thicket
it's 20ยฐC and I feel cold
unborn kiln
it can if you download a 3.8 wheel and rename it
mild abyss
it's 20ยฐC and I feel cold
@gleaming thicket get a blanket
quick bay
do you live on the equator???? thatโs not that cold
for my american friends. 20 cel is 68 fahrenheit
tranquil orchid
20 is coldish
gleaming thicket
fells cold cause i am used to 30 C
do you live on the equator???? thatโs not that cold
yes
rough sapphire
wow
manic bloom
for my american friends. 20 cel is 68 fahrenheit
@quick bay i feel called out
seriously, though, why doesn't america switch to metric
quick bay
i had to check to understand so i just felt as though i could help
manic bloom
ye, I know, thanks for that
upper epoch
helo
rough sapphire
wtf
manic bloom
scarlet wind
We ain't making this emoji chat okay
upper epoch
UwU
upper epoch
Lol
scarlet wind
Not acceptable
scarlet wind
Do you even know the adequate chat rules
upper epoch
._. gotta revise them...
scarlet wind
@upper epoch English speaking server read rules
edgy crest
ancient stream
rich rover
What happened here?
edgy crest
i use arch btw
ancient stream
If anyone wants a game about growing trees to get points, and the person with the most points win. Photosynthesis is your game.
rich rover
There's a game using that name?
edgy crest
theres a game for every name
rich rover
That got me confused for a second there
edgy crest
my bad, theres a name for every game
rich rover
Not a good marketing strategy to name a game under an actual process not relevant to the slightest to what happens in the game
It feels out of place
scarlet wind
Name doesn't matter
ancient stream
It's kinda fun lol and was 39.99 at my local game store
young shoal
has Catan vibes
scarlet wind
We ain't making this emoji chat okay
The reactions to this is cancer
ancient stream
Ya my lgs has a crap ton of games. I love going there. They do DnD adventures league, MTG, Pokemon, Gundam and more
scarlet wind
Do you love playing card games?
ancient stream
I kinda do. We have a few magic cards from the core2021 set and 2019 set I think. I mostly play and DM DnD
scarlet wind
have you ever played Crazy Eights?
rich rover
I think, I have
scarlet wind
too complicated lol
ancient stream
Oh fav card game is phase10, trade card game fav is magic
rich rover
Usually a 52 card deck, and you have to finish first
Well, I mostly just play alot of solitaire and UNO
manic bloom
i love uno flip
rich rover
I just play UNO to make other players suffer
scarlet wind
lol
ancient stream
@Fisher I think I'm a tiny bit addicted. Watching the new StarTrek movies again lol.
Wait what, some servers I can use the new reply function and some I cant
ancient stream
Ya, works in a DnD server but not here :(
quick bay
we just havent implemented it yet.
ancient stream
Eye sea
scarlet wind
These puns lol ๐คฆ
quick bay
eyes see*
eternal wing
@eternal wing I think I'm a tiny bit addicted. Watching the new StarTrek movies again lol.
@ancient stream LOL, not a real ping!? and niiice, I am going to do something similar and rewatch all of mando I think
ancient stream
Yeah idk, for some reason it hasn't been letting me ping some times
eternal wing
shadow banned haha
ancient stream
Probably. I seen f1re eyeballing that ban button on me :p
eternal wing
LOL, yes if f1re is anything, he is ban happy.
And he is not awake to dispute this, so it is fact
scarlet wind
topaz aurora
Banning self-bots on sight 
rough sapphire
when you don't wanna say "69"
ancient stream
Slight change of topic, anyone eat microwave popcorn, but put hot sauce on too and garlic powder?
Do it with movies and it's so good
Wait, that would be a first I've seen a musician not want to say 69 lol
Also I kinda think the red matter would make a much larger Black hole than it does when the vulcan science vessel blows up inside if it with l the red matter. Since a tiny drop creates a decent size blackhole. It would seem to me that a large amount would make a super massive Black hole at least.
thorn copper
Simp \/
rich rover
I have seen a cashier call out order names by the number
Guess what the lucky number was
Genius decided to go to every table, asking each and every customer for their order number privately, to confirm the order
ancient stream
What lol
scarlet wind
lol Arven
thorn copper
Huh?
eternal wing
I have never had that on popcorn.
but doritos + lime + tapatio == amazing
edgy crest
what
thorn copper
Simp \/
thorn copper
LOL
scarlet wind
every 5 min
scarlet wind
F
eternal wing
this is why windows is OP
edgy crest
lol i just used it as a meme, that combination was too weird
edgy crest
scarlet wind
doritos + soda == epik
edgy crest
eternal wing
the doritos thing I said is a real thing. It is great
scarlet wind
what I said is also true
eternal wing
I would keep those two separate while they are outside of my body
scarlet wind
hah not me lol
ancient stream
Oh the doritos drink? I have that meme on my phone but this server is not for maymays
simple sand
can u set env varibales in json?
eternal wing
@simple sand you can load variables like they are env vars as constants using json.
you can also use something like a .env file if you just want a file for env vars.
simple sand
how?
eternal wing
well, if you are using something like pipenv, it will automatically load environment variables from a .env file.
Json is fine for defining constants as well though. you would just load them into python how you would normally load json.
simple sand
but the values in json can be viewed
eternal wing
what do you mean by that?
quick ledge
you can put the values in a .env and load it using a library named dotenv ( pip install python-dotenv )
simple sand
@quick ledge but I need that to be in the json file, and u can still see your_token in the json file, or can't u?
quick ledge
why do you need it to be in the json?
simple sand
{
"some thing":"Env variable"
}
btw, do not upload the
.envto github
@quick ledge k
quick ledge
likewise, if you put secrets in the json, do not upload it to github.
add it to .gitignore
solid pollen
The nice thing about the .env file is that it is automagically parsed by most tools
simple sand
oooooh
likewise, if you put secrets in the json, do not upload it to github.
add it to .gitignore
@quick ledge so, I only want 2 values in that json to be a secret
quick ledge
and rest are not secret?
simple sand
no
quick ledge
do not use the json to store the secrets
simple sand
oh
quick ledge
anyway, you have a xy problem
simple sand
hmm
solid pollen
Also, I wouldnโt recommend you to use json to store configs
simple sand
oh
solid pollen
They are new formats made for that, such as yaml and toml
Those are more human-friendly compared to json
quick ledge
bah, humans
simple sand
hmm
solid pollen
Json is made for machines to create and parse
simple sand
while uploading the file to github
what if I replace the values which I don't want others to see with
a and b are supposed to be secret values
{
"a":"-------------------------",
"b":"-------------------------",
"c":"hey ther",
"d":"how are u?"
}
yes, that is fine
eternal wing
that would be very bad practice imo, a little risky
quick ledge
Others can get an example of what it looks like
but do you really want to use a json for secrets that bad?
simple sand
Others can get an example of what it looks like
@quick ledge well what if I make it null
quick ledge
what if you commit without censoring by mistake?
simple sand
hmmm
eternal wing
I create template .env file so people can copy them and see how it should be formatted.
The big issue with removing your secrets in a tracked file is: what if you forget to delete the secrets one time?
quick ledge
i think it's easier to use a .env and just add it to the .gitignore
solid pollen
It isnโt a good idea to have a template file, since the file will be tracked
simple sand
wdym
solid pollen
It would be pretty easy to accidentally commit the env file
simple sand
why couldn't the person who made json, allow us to add env variables
quick ledge
no that's not what we meant
solid pollen
If you do a commit -a for instance, youโd commit the env file, since it is tracked
or the json file
quick ledge
you have filled the json with the secrets on your pc
simple sand
mhm
quick ledge
and if you commit without censoring it, it will be on display for everyone to see
solid pollen
Yes, and git would show you as an uncommited change
quick ledge
you don't need to worry about this if you just make a .env and add it to .gitignore
simple sand
hmm
solid pollen
But if you add a censored version to your repo, it will track it no matter what
solid pollen
It is @eternal wingโs fault
edgy crest
:<
edgy crest
noooooooooooooooo
dont ruin the hair, its the only pic i found which has similar hair like mine 
eternal wing
and now it is christian, yw
edgy crest
simple sand
so I should not use json for config?
eternal wing
I use .env for all my config. I would not really recommend json anymore.
it would do the job, but it is not a great way to do it
eternal wing
they usually are. But they can be used for general config. The important thing is that the file is not supposed to be shared or uploaded to git
simple sand
well what i want is that 2 values should be a secret and other should not
solid pollen
We use it some for user-specific config with @median dome
simple sand
you can use the .env for the secrets
@quick ledge but they should be able to see the keys not the values
cause they need to set their own values for it
solid pollen
And also to override some config options with the website
simple sand
hmmm
quick ledge
if it's just two values, you can mention that that in your readme
simple sand
hmm
eternal wing
I do templates for that purpose.
I.e, for my .env I have something like template.env that can be copied and pasted by users
simple sand
ok then
eternal wing
https://github.com/fisher60/Friendo_Bot this does not have a template .env, but you can see in the readme there is a block where a user could copy and paste
ancient stream
Ugh reddit is getting to damn much with he ads.. 4 ads in a span of 17 posts
shell grove
urllib vs requests discuss? ๐
shell grove
flexibility ?
rich rover
Basically, it has alot of features that requests is unable to do or perform poorly in
shell grove
ah ok cool
rich rover
And requests handles things for you, in opposition to urllib giving you full control over the requests you send to a website
shell grove
is nesting try except blocks bad practice guys ?
it must be ok right ?
also โค๏ธ JSON
mild abyss
time to go back using firefox
aah browser hopping is great
@shell grove imma find the answer for you
shell grove
ty ๐
mild abyss
@shell grove https://stackoverflow.com/questions/17015230/are-nested-try-except-blocks-in-python-a-good-programming-practice#:~:text=Nesting them isn't bad,the first one that works.
https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-eafp
shell grove
i should of thought of checking stack overflow first , ty ๐
quite a thorough answer on that page ๐
mild abyss
someone said in python general that it is bad practice
solid pollen
It depends on the context, as always
shell grove
yes
mild abyss
EAFP says it is okay
shell grove
doesnt it depend on raising two exceptions is meaningful in the context ie it goes through a try block then a nested except block
EAFP ? whose that
mild abyss
but like akarys said, it depends on context
EAFP ? whose that
@shell grove https://docs.python.org/3/glossary.html#term-eafp
solid pollen
doesnt it depend on raising two exceptions is meaningful in the context ie it goes through a try block then a nested except block
@shell grove this is pretty weird though, maybe you should rework your logic
mild abyss
!pep 20
royal lakeBOT
shell grove
hehe