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#ot1-perplexing-regexing
terse sluice
how spanish are you?
frozen thorn
please speak English to the best of your ability.
terse sluice
great song btw
eternal wing
0 spanish.
but I took three years and eat mexican food 3x a week xD
terse sluice
lol
frozen thorn
I'm jealou
floral viper
How do you tell? what are the first signs?
frozen thorn
and how did you learn to write in Spanish?
eternal wing
when mariachi music makes you hungry, you know you are in too deep
floral viper
Also how can you tell if you are turning Spanish or Portuguese?
eternal wing
I cannot speak spanish. I just have fragments from high school LOL
frozen thorn
so boring
eternal wing
si, senior
eternal wing
my classes are easy too π
frozen thorn
I wonder if I should get my AS in CS first or just apply to transfer to an uni
mild abyss
I wonder if I should get my AS in CS first or just apply to transfer to an uni
@frozen thorn hard to decide
frozen thorn
yeah. I have like 2 sems left
maybe I should finish GE pattern and get AS in CS. That's what I decided for now
eternal wing
uni overrated imo, plenty of good instructors elsewhere as well.
Although generally the quality of education should be at least a bit higher
mild abyss
- thats a lot
frozen thorn
hmm
mild abyss
frozen thorn
is that a joke? lol
rich moon
depends on the courses tho
bc if they are all intro or for non majors
its kind of not worth
prob start looking at phys or math department for numerical methods or sth if thats the case
tall canopy
@tall canopy
rich moon
bAnNeD
silver ruin
Big brain name
eternal wing
what is the actual issue?
inland wolf
im trying to install manjaro
and i need to partition my disk
when i try to shrink the volume
its only letting me shrink 5gb
eternal wing
it is probably full
eternal wing
that just proves it is full
inland wolf
eternal wing
hmmmmm
eternal wing
well that is a very small drive, so I would be hesitant to partition it
eternal wing
I do not really think this is an issue, but probably a safe guard to prevent you from shrinking your drive too much
topaz aurora
Windows has protections against shrinking drives too little
inland wolf
yea but whats with the amount of recovery drives?
theres like 5
and i ran reagentc /info
bisk told me to
eternal wing
bisk is a pro at this haha
topaz aurora
I've had to defragment mine/disable swap/disable recovery to get to shrink 150 GBs
eternal wing
yeah, this could be tricky. I generally would not shrink it if it was my drive xD
inland wolf
well i woulnt need to shrink if those revoery partitions werent fat
eternal wing
I dont really want to give disk advice because I would not play around too much with this on my system. Kinda risky
eternal wing
Bisk is probably your best bet.
yes, windows protects you from destroying your system xD
eternal wing
personally I recommend not messing with it, but I would trust bisk's guidance.
But this is the type of thing I do not play with on windows, it can be easy to make a mistake and do damage
eternal wing
I would not recommend a dual boot with that little storage as well
inland wolf
hm
tall canopy
guys
what u doin
I would not recommend a dual boot with that little storage as well
@eternal wing dual boot always gets screwed IMO
gentle moss
hello
someone wanted me?
oh, to remove the recovery partition you'd have to use diskpart
still not sure why you're not able to shrink the partition lower than 5gb though
and i don't really recommend removing the recovery partition
thinking about it you might be able to solve your partition resize problem by using diskpart
mild abyss
i plan to use a separate drive. but i am wondering where to install the grub boot loader. should it be on /?
mild abyss
they say if i install it into boot efi of windows, it will mess things up.
so okay it is root then
gentle moss
i think i've heard of the windows bootloader messing up grub during updates? not sure.
i virtualise Β¬_Β¬
mild abyss
yeah. i mean most of the tutorials i found installed the bootloader on /
i just asked here for further clarifications
summer rampart
this is a psa
anyone unable to launch discord after a system update today on arch should rollback opera-ffmpeg-codecs to 85.0.4183.102-1-x86_64
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/68364
this has been a psa
gentle moss
:o
edgy crest
:0
mild abyss
whut happened
edgy crest
idk, i didnt have a prob, maybe its only for arch ig
mild abyss
discord canary wont have those kind of problems i guess (i hope)
gentle moss
what happened? arch being bleeding edge
mild abyss
π©Έ
rough sapphire
If you update discord in arch based systems it breaks ig
and that is due to opera-ffmped-codecs ig
uneven pine
@peak flare what operating system are you using?
peak flare
windows 10
uneven pine
Open disk management by typing "Create and format" into start menu and selecting this option https://i.imgur.com/oSacDFe.png
peak flare
yeah i used that
peak flare
made a partition D from the C
installed a bunch of apps
deleted the apps, cuz C was too small
the deleted D and combined it to C
and now im downloading my apps again
mild abyss
@uneven pine why do you have two efi partitions π
quick ledge
the more, the better 
mild abyss
the more, the better
@quick ledge so that means he will choose where to boot?
quick ledge
nah i was kidding
mild abyss
nah i was kidding
@quick ledge uhm since youre very good on linux
uhm
so this is still yet to happen, so i have two separate drives, one is already installed with windows. the other one is a blank drive. and i wanna install a linux distro. where should i put grub?
quick ledge
@quick ledge uhm since youre very good on linux
@mild abyss im not π³
mild abyss
quick ledge
so this is still yet to happen, so i have two separate drives, one is already installed with windows. the other one is a blank drive. and i wanna install a linux distro. where should i put grub?
@mild abyss does the drive with windows have free space?
uneven pine
@peak flare everything looks fine, what is the issue you're having?
sorry for the slow response, got distracted in another conversation
mild abyss
same
quick ledge
so this is still yet to happen, so i have two separate drives, one is already installed with windows. the other one is a blank drive. and i wanna install a linux distro. where should i put grub?
@mild abyss im not reaaly sure. im guessing install linux on the second drive and follow the gui installer. mark the efi as boot
rough sapphire
I think /dev/sda2 will be the boot partition of windows
mild abyss
@mild abyss im not reaaly sure. im guessing install linux on the second drive and follow the gui installer. mark the efi as boot
@quick ledge u mean the free space i made, i will make it into /boot/efi?
then point grub to install there?
mild abyss
I think /dev/sda2 will be the boot partition of windows
@rough sapphire do you have any suggestions?
quick ledge
you can inatall on 2nd drive, but the drive should be always present on your system
mild abyss
yeah mine is always present on the system
edgy crest
can i uninstall this default file manager? i only need dolphin
mild abyss
maybe sudo grub-update will help me detect other OS
can i uninstall this default file manager? i only need dolphin
@edgy crest you can
edgy crest
also why isnt it working then
mild abyss
also why isnt it working then
@edgy crest ah dont
quick ledge
@mild abyss im not reaaly sure. im guessing install linux on the second drive and follow the gui installer. mark the efi as boot
@quick ledge then you gotta change the boot order too
edgy crest
ohok
mild abyss
because xfce needs it
edgy crest
kk
mild abyss
okay thanks Vivekgurkan. i will try messing some things in december then
quick ledge
maybe
sudo grub-updatewill help me detect other OS
@mild abyss you gotta do that at the end.
when you install grub you will create some confs in your OS
sudu grub-update will make it read the new changes in the conf or MBR or w/e
*sudo update-grub
mild abyss
okay. me will try that i will note it inside my mind
peak flare
@uneven pine thx for helping i was able to delete it
uneven pine
@peak flare well I didn't really do anything but glad you figured out out
graceful basin
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rough sapphire
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mild abyss
@heady storm https://www.writebots.com/discord-text-formatting/ have fun trying things out
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heady storm
@mild abyss thanksπ I'll sure check it out
calm dawn
topaz aurora
So I figured it'd be pretty hard to add an export list mechanism to my LISP
Turns out that's not true
quick ledge
π
topaz aurora
I can basically just take a snapshot of the current execution environment, running the given module that has a (provide func1 func2 func3) macro that saves stuff to another mapping internally, before ultimately doing set operations against the new environment, old environment, and the export list
topaz aurora
Basically tells you what can be imported from a module
quick ledge
ahhh
topaz aurora
Python has one through specifying __all__ although that works for star imports
quick ledge
yeah, thought of that when you explained what it is
gleaming thicket
Is there a conversational going on?
gentle moss
recovery's disabled. π
inland wolf
yes
gleaming thicket
Is there a conversational going on?
@gleaming thicket I'll take that as a yes
inland wolf
so can i just force delete all the partitions?
gentle moss
carefully, but probably.
quick ledge
( @gleaming thicket regardless of whether there is any conversation going on, image dumps are not appreciated here, ty)
gleaming thicket
Ya I give up
inland wolf
brug*
gentle moss
as long as you're not going to hold me liable for anything you do to your system
yes it's fine to delete all the recovery partitions.
gleaming thicket
Looks like I am going to be the only one finding that image cursed today
inland wolf
but didnt u say that resetting needs recovery partitions?
quick ledge
It will probably add another one
gentle moss
when you install windows you're asked what partition you want to install it on
if you remove all the existing partitions so the drive is empty
and install windows again from scratch
it'll install windows + 1 recovery partition
gentle moss
so you don't have the install media?
inland wolf
no
gentle moss
like a win10 cd
gentle moss
not for free iirc
inland wolf
the tool is free
graceful basin
ye, media creation tool is free
inland wolf
yea
gentle moss
oh nice, well done microsoft.
inland wolf
lol
gentle moss
what is the problem you're trying to solve again?
you want to shrink the windows partition?
inland wolf
lma
im trying to get manjaro
yes i need partitions
is 128gb too less for a manjaro dualboot?
gentle moss
have you tried using the command line diskpart instead of disk manager?
inland wolf
cuz im getting cold feet now
uh no
i entered diskpart
but thats it
i didnt know any commands
lol
gentle moss
inland wolf
thx
gentle moss
make sure to launch cmd as admin
inland wolf
kay
oh yea
also
the c drive doesnt let me shrink more than 5gb
tho it has 53gb left
a lot of problems
it makes me want to not get manjaro
worldly grail
how is codingplusplus for a blog name ?
solid pollen
Sounds good if you do a C++ blog :P
worldly grail
not just c++ but the whole programming
thinking of some names
need help
im thinking one more
simple sand
How can I make it so that my every screenshot doesn't get saved in desktop
simple sand
no mac
worldly grail
idk on windows when u take a ss with (win+printscreen) the screenshot is sent to clipboard
honest star
The answer is poorly
scenic blaze
I'm lucky I have a boss that doesn't care which days or times I work as long as projects are moving along on schedule
How's everyone today?
arctic canopy
Hello
I'm new here
I know a little about python basics
and wish to expand my knowledge by learning more
royal lakeBOT
scenic blaze
Yessss
There were two items left for my coworkers baby shower
One of them cost 10 bucks, the other 1000
Got the 10 dollar one π
turbid nimbus
!resources
royal lakeBOT
frozen thorn
I'm trying to link a html file with node js, but require is not defined at... even though I have installed it. rip
solid pollen
Did you import it, or whatever the JS equivalent is?
frozen thorn
No I didn't import anything
frozen thorn
Yeah. I have a node js script or smth so I can't load html file. I need to link html file in js
hoary steppe
<script src="path or file name if in same path"></script>
frozen thorn
var http = require('http')
function onRequest(request, response){
response.writeHead(200, {'Content-Type': 'text/plain'})
response.write('index.html')
response.end();
}
http.createServer(onRequest).listen(8000)
That should work. But require is not defined
bleak lintel
uh
how are you going to start a HTTP server in a browser
require is for node, when you are running javascript on the backend
hoary steppe
im confused
bleak lintel
node is for running code like python, on your computer or on a server. browser JS runs your JS on your clients browsers. for obvious reason you can't do stuff like boot up http servers or touch the filesystem at all, it's heavily sandboxed
hoary steppe
u can still use node as a backend
frozen thorn
hmm. I'm pretty new to node js lol
hoary steppe
like django
bleak lintel
I'm saying the difference between node is that node.js code cannot be run on the browser
yeah
To run that code above you need to install node.js separately from https://nodejs.org/en/, open a command line and run node myscript.js
that code snippet works, but is not working how you are expecting, hahaha
hoary steppe
dont u need an init
hoary steppe
oh ok
frozen thorn
is the content in index.html file?
bleak lintel
no
it is sending the literal string index.html
you are telling node to write the text index.html to the browser
to actually read index.html, you need to follow the code here https://stackoverflow.com/a/10047018
which opens the file and then streams the file contents back to the browser
frozen thorn
var http = require('http'),
fileSystem = require('fs'),
path = require('path');
http.createServer(function(request, response) {
var filePath = path.join(__dirname, 'myfile.mp3');
var stat = fileSystem.statSync(filePath);
response.writeHead(200, {
'Content-Type': 'audio/mpeg',
'Content-Length': stat.size
});
var readStream = fileSystem.createReadStream(filePath);
// We replaced all the event handlers with a simple call to readStream.pipe()
readStream.pipe(response);
})
.listen(2000);
that right
bleak lintel
well, you'll need to edit it
frozen thorn
Yeah
bleak lintel
and ideally understand it
frozen thorn
If I run it, require is not defined even though I installed it. Am I understanding this wrong?
bleak lintel
well are you running it in the browser
you can't do that
you need to run node.js code in the command line
using node script.js
similar to running python scripts
https://nodejs.dev/learn i highly recommend this resource
frozen thorn
Yeah. I meant running in the browser or smth. I have it online with
bleak lintel
https://nodejs.dev/learn/differences-between-nodejs-and-the-browser and this will explain why you can't do what you are trying to do
node.js code does not work in the browser
hoary steppe
nodejs is javascript outside browser.
bleak lintel
yep
it does use the same engine under the hood, but there are fundamental differences because node has no sandboxing
frozen thorn
What if I added another js file? that's not node
bleak lintel
huh?
well
you need to separate your definition of node.js code and browser js code
hoary steppe
node js is javascript but like lets say nodejs is modified
bleak lintel
eh
bad definition
node.js code runs on your backend to process your data and works like python.
browser code is delivered to your clients to run on their machines in a sandbox
hoary steppe
Node.js is an open-source, cross-platform, back-end, JavaScript runtime environment that executes JavaScript code outside a web browser.
bleak lintel
yep
hoary steppe
and ig its also uses something called chrome engine v8
bleak lintel
both run on top of the v8 engine, but essentially node.js has no protections and browser JS does
yes
hoary steppe
ye
bleak lintel
super cool stuff
it uses JIT compiling
something that cpython may have one day!
bleak lintel
lol
frozen thorn
Well I finally got it
const html = `<!DOCTYPE html>
<body>
<h1>Hello World</h1></p>
</body>`
async function handleRequest(request) {
return new Response(html, {
headers: {
"content-type": "text/html;charset=UTF-8",
},
})
}
^
bleak lintel
nice!
tranquil orchid
I didn't realise how good the v8 engine was until recently
Things got some insane speed
bleak lintel
it's fairly standard tbqh
V8 first generates an abstract syntax tree with its own parser. Then, Ignition, the V8 interpreter, generates bytecode from this syntax tree using the internal V8 bytecode format. TurboFan is the V8 optimizing compiler, it takes this bytecode and generates machine code from it. In other words, V8 compiles JavaScript directly to native machine code using just-in-time compilation before executing it. The compiled code is additionally optimized (and re-optimized) dynamically at runtime, based on heuristics of the code's execution profile. Optimization techniques used include inlining, elision of expensive runtime properties, and inline caching. The garbage collector is a generational incremental collector.
but the way it typically works is like
analyse the paths, figure out of the cost of compiling something outweighs running it in an interpreted mode
if so: do the thing
tranquil orchid
So it doesn't actually compile everything?
bleak lintel
depends on the implementation
most of the time the majority of the program is not compiled
but maybe you have an algorithm that costs
the speedup gained from compiling that (which is a fairly big cost) will by far outweigh interpreting the algorithm on every iteration
tranquil orchid
Hm that is pretty cool
bleak lintel
lol
normal geode
rough sapphire
terse sluice
wowee
here i am again
it almost feels as if i was in the channel name 2 days ago..
digital oracle
lol
eternal wing
Well, it sounds like you are holding them hostage.
Lemon: change ot twice if f1re is using himself against you xD
terse sluice
lol
i just finished about 25 pages of history assignments
this is what happens when you do everything the night before it's due
i have never typed faster in my life lol
now, time to sleep
goodnight all
eternal wing
that is the best way to assignment. haha gn
tall canopy
ancient stream
Wait.. I thought the trebuchet was our official weapon?
topaz aurora
@terse sluice is the trebuchet
ancient stream
Ooh do they shoot flaming projectiles?
quick ledge
If you haven't shot a flaming projectile in your life, are you even living?
ancient stream
I know right? Like one of my goals is to fire a tank
winter terrace
what did the tank do at work to you?
geez melinda, you gotta give harold some breathing room, he's still cleaning up his divorce with the panzer
quick ledge
lmao
narrow pecan
Letβs use out weapon
pliant crystal
hello guys, what specs do the python pros need?
simple sand
huh?
pliant crystal
like what computer specs do the professionals have?
pliant crystal
oh ok. what if you need it for a software degree in college?
pliant crystal
yeah
tranquil orchid
Depends what you're doing
rich rover
And you have a computer right?
tranquil orchid
Some developers could just use a laptop and be fine
pliant crystal
yeah
tranquil orchid
For some areas anyway
But if you're into stuff like
data science
machine learning
etc
You'll want a better pc
tender silo
get something better than i5 thats all you will need
pliant crystal
actually buying a new laptop, but i'm choosing between a thinkpad, a latitude or asus. which do you guys prefer?
tender silo
ummm that actually depends on the specs π
the brand wont be of use if pc suck you know what i mean
tender silo
i use something called g40 ig
it has an i7 processor, 6gb ram so its fine for me
but you cant do a lot with the coding wont be a problem
but watching youtube vids in 8k is something that i can only dream ofπ
pliant crystal
thats a powerful rig
tender silo
it also has 2gb graphics
pliant crystal
how long do you have it?
quick ledge
what's g40? is it the motherboard?
tender silo
how long do you have it?
@pliant crystal about 4 years now π
pliant crystal
that's nice
tender silo
what's g40? is it the motherboard?
@quick ledge its the pc i dont remember the name
pliant crystal
its a lenovo, right?
tender silo
yea.
pliant crystal
do you have problems with the lenovo super fish incident?
quick ledge
wait I think there are Dell laptops named G30 or something
tender silo
i dont even know what that is lol
wait I think there are Dell laptops named G30 or something
@quick ledge prolly idk
how do i know my pc model lol it only gives me a code
pliant crystal
like theres a virus thingy in lenovo laptops and everyone is angry and disappointed at lenovo or something
quick ledge
search the code on the internet
tender silo
like theres a virus thingy in lenovo laptops and everyone is angry and disappointed at lenovo or something
@pliant crystal actually i think i know what youre talking about
it installed shit on its own during the regular updates once
and then i cleared some stuff
so my pc stopped overheating
then i paid for mcafee shit never happened again
pliant crystal
is your pc all good now?
tender silo
yea...
theres this antivirus called saguzaro dont trust thatπ
it installs itself
quick ledge
search the code on the internet
try this monidagawd
tender silo
yea wait
tender silo
i dont think that model is still under production also whats your budget
pliant crystal
i dont live in the us but it's around 700
quick ledge
I think you can get better specs for what monidagawd payed
because they bought it 4 years ago
tender silo
yea exactly
pliant crystal
right, forgot it was 4 years ago
tender silo
i still cant find my pc model π¦
quick ledge
how much did the laptop cost?
pliant crystal
i still cant find my pc model π¦
@tender silo did you try dxdiag?
tender silo
it was around 68000 inr which converts toaround 900 usd ig
mild abyss
i would rather buy a laptop with discrete graphics card
pliant crystal
wouldnt it drain the battery?
tender silo
@tender silo did you try dxdiag?
@pliant crystal whats that π
pliant crystal
type dxdiag in cmd
pliant crystal
nice talking to you @tender silo and guys. thanks, i need to do stuff lol
quick ledge
wouldnt it drain the battery?
@pliant crystal it will kinda switch off if you are not using it
so some power is saved
tender silo
he has baguettes for sale
@cosmic lotus im interested!
quick ledge
You had me at baguette.
cosmic lotus
Perhaps you would like my other offer, traveller?
An arm and a leg!
For only a baguette!
tender silo
thats the same one ig -_- π
quick ledge
I shall not part with my baguettes, thank you very much
mild abyss
Perhaps you would like my other offer, traveller?
@cosmic lotus hmm reminds me of Genshin impact
prime aspen
@viral parrot Is your name 'evil' with a typo and you kinda stick with it or there are some lore behind?
viral parrot
it is some lore behind it
so my birth name was Eivind Larsen
and when i was in high school i wrote en schools user authentication login system for Word Perfect
thats an old Novel application
from a list of names i generated four letter usernames
three from the first name and one from the last name
eiv + l
that was mine
after 10-20 user generations i had a collision
so i had to change it to do 3 + 3 making a 6 char username
but i kept mine
because i kinda liked it
prime aspen
pronounced AI-vol, right?
prime aspen
cool!
viral parrot
more like eyv-l
but TL;DR is that its not a typo, its just a username generated from my birth name
edgy crest
hm
sage arch
Does anyone know how to index in a matrix in javascript?
ex:
a=[[1,2],[3,4]], how would change/use the 3? in python I would use a[1][0] but that doesnt work
frozen thorn
a=[[1,2],[3,4]]
print(a[1][0]) # print 3
a[1][0] = 5
print(a) # print [[1,2],[5,4]]
That works for me
sage arch
function generate_field(){
let simple_field=generate_simple_field();
for (let i=0;i<field_height;i++){
for (let j=0;j<field_width;i++){
console.log(i);
if (simple_field[i][j]=="bomb"){
lol how did you use backward backticks
sage arch
haha I am using azerty, I dont know if it exists on qwerty
I am trying to create a minefield for a minesweeper game, but it says simple_field[i] doesnt exist
the simple_field is a matrix of 10 rows and 10 columns with zeros and "bomb" values
[["bomb",0],[0,0]]
field_height and field_width both are numbers (10)
wheat lynx
Never thought I'd see "pointers" and "fun" in the same sentence
narrow pecan
βIf itβs not fun, you donβt understand it well enoughβ
graceful basin
I understand pointers pretty well and really see no joy in them
narrow pecan
pretty well isnβt well enough hahah
narrow pecan
I know way too little C++ to understand that
graceful basin
the Cpp way would be std::reinterpret_cast<float>(i)
narrow pecan
Oh? What language is this, then?
graceful basin
because Cpp doesn't really use pointers
C/C++
works in both
just is bad in C++
it is also bad in C tbh, should be using memcpy
narrow pecan
Ah, I just knew too little C, then
graceful basin
cause memory alignment
narrow pecan
Or just use Python Β―_(γ)_/Β―
graceful basin
does python let you reinterpret the bits of an int as a float
narrow pecan
I assume not
graceful basin
yes actually
narrow pecan
(Maybe?)
graceful basin
with struct
narrow pecan
Ah, you were trying to trick me hahah
narrow pecan
If I ever have that question, Iβll probably just simplify the program or stackle it
Hahah yeah
graceful basin
it is useful in some specific cases where you parsing binary files with floats in them
such as some sound formats
graceful basin
anyway, to get back on topic, if you are using * as either pointer declaration or pointer dereference in CPP you are doing it wrong
I guess if they mean std::shared_pointer and std::unique_pointer, those are pretty fun
narrow pecan
Iβll probably just have to revisit this once I know more about pointers hahah
wheat lynx
Oh yeah smart pointers sound pretty cool
I'm still trying to work through the basics of C++ though
It's fun to write stuff in python and then in C++ and see how much faster it is in C++
Gotta love that -Ofast speeeeed
young shoal
neeeeeeeeeeeeyooom
edgy crest
pencil
cosmic lotus
no, pen
edgy crest
digital drawing? meh
graceful basin
have the GPU do it
rough sapphire
on a scale of 1 to 10 how much do you rate your c++ knowledge
graceful basin
3
edgy crest
-3
high verge
2
rough sapphire
even the creator says 8
edgy crest
i can do cout and cin and thats it
high verge
i.e. 'i can make my arduino unconvincingly make beeping sounds'
graceful basin
honestly, the best reason to learn cpp is so you can understand cppcon talks
they are invariably excellent and interesting
cosmic lotus
have the GPU do it
I am using the GPU, I'm going to implement it in 3D
graceful basin
the GPU should have its own hardware for line drawing afaik
cosmic lotus
Yes OpenGL does that, but I'm only using fragment shaders
graceful basin
then test both and see which is faster
or just make one, see that it is good enough and never worry about it again
cosmic lotus
No
I NEED SPEED
I already have the DDA implemented, I'll go and do the Brensenham
lunar shore
Guys best languages for networking (except python)? Probably gonna need basic networking , so the shorter the code , the better
rough sapphire
you need more speed even though you have GPU?
lunar shore
Guys best languages for networking (except python)? Probably gonna need basic networking , so the shorter the code , the better
And probably faster than Python
graceful basin
raku
lunar shore
Raku?
graceful basin
raku.
lunar shore
Should check it out
graceful basin
haskell would probably work too
lunar shore
Haskell? I've not reached monads yet is it enough?
cosmic lotus
you need more speed even though you have GPU?
There is always the need for speedβ’
graceful basin
nah, you would need monads for networking
graceful basin
GPUs are slow if misused
simple sand
!eval
royal lakeBOT
You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.
graceful basin
use puts or printf("%s"
so that you do not segfault when you pass "%d %d %d to PRINT
hoary steppe
here?
graceful basin
no, for printing strings
graceful basin
yeah
scenic blaze
What's the point?
lunar shore
Valk so u "cin" and process the input afaik?
lunar shore
You get the data , and process it?
Like scanf?
Or you read a file?
Or u have a lexer or something
hoary steppe
i dont understand
u read files
waht?
i have lexer and parser and so yeah
and an emitter
lunar shore
I see
lunar shore
mhm yeah yeah I got it
frozen thorn
what does (int)(x) do in printf()?
frozen thorn
haha
lunar shore
(int)(x) will convert it to int and print x?
frozen thorn
not like that I think
hoary steppe
x is already an int
lunar shore
Well , I'm a C++ programmer , not C so ... yeah
frozen thorn
Yeah I'm C++ programmer as well. Never seen that
hoary steppe
remove tHAT RADER
hoary steppe
no not really
lunar shore
It is
hoary steppe
if i change this to something else is what controls
lunar shore
If it's an int , it will return an int . If it's a char , it will return the char code , and if it's a float , probably gonna floor it and return int
lunar shore
You can change it to %s and it will return whatever it gets
hoary steppe
u can still get a float value even if there is an int
lunar shore
So , (int)(x) will convert x to int
lunar shore
no not really
If u were a pro you wouldnt've said this π
hoary steppe
yeah im generating c bro π
lunar shore
Looks like Lua
edgy crest
lua
hoary steppe
noo
edgy crest
π
lunar shore
let and if and end are in lua , while in "your" lang it is LET and IF and ENDIF
Lua has then tho
hoary steppe
u do know there is langs that have same keywords too
u do right?
and even if it was a lua copy or whatever its a test
lunar shore
~~That is straight up copying π ~~
hoary steppe
ok lemme change that to raderisNoob
rough sapphire
edgy crest
hoary steppe
true
strong valley
is there a bot which shows someone previous pfps?
lunar shore
You can make one :3
shell raptor
@hoary steppe Are you an Idris programmer? π
rough sapphire
looks like youtube-dl is shutdown
hoary steppe
i documented a little bit about idris..its a very interesting language
hoary steppe
oops i forgot some ppl dont know what jokes are
lunar shore
Object Oriented Programming s?
shell raptor
yeah, functional programmers use that as a curse, obviously
*hits finger with hammer*
-- Java!
lunar shore
XD
rough sapphire
Can I post a meme
wooden silo
@rough sapphire Don't post the same question in multiple channels.
rough sapphire
Can I post the meme, itβs about server?
wooden silo
No.
high verge
Wait did youtube-dl get pulled from GitHub
I saw the DMCA but whew
Including those examples in the docs was a really stupid idea
rich moon
lmao
high verge
Actually it was a distribution group not YouTube I think
honest star
Yeah, a recording group filed a DMCA against youtube-dl and it was taken off of github
frozen thorn
Hmm. Discord members?
bleak lintel
yeah
small fossil
was insane to see the growth this year
bleak lintel
yes
very bonkers
lol wonder how much data metricity is storing right ow
table_name | size
-----------------+------------
users | 121 MB
messages | 451 MB
channels | 544 kB
categories | 80 kB
alembic_version | 8192 bytes
(5 rows)
wew
low chasm
Yeah, hi
rich rover
alright
shell raptor
@covert scroll Anything that easily compiles to machine code (C, C++, Rust, Haskell) will not require installing anything to run the program, I think. But it's not a really good criterion to choose a language.
covert scroll
Never heard of Rust and Haskell lol
low chasm
Rust is pretty good
shell raptor
π€
young shoal
rust is quite popular nowadays
wooden silo
@low chasm Not if you compile to a native binary.
shell raptor
right
young shoal
@ancient minnow we're in h ere
shell raptor
C, Rust and C++ can even run on some embedded stuff
low chasm
Cool
young shoal
ye, like arduinos etc
rich rover
rust is somewhat at a higher capability than python, but it doesn't stop the fact that python was made for the user to cope with easily
covert scroll
Rust looks odd xD
wooden silo
Rust is very cool.
low chasm
Do any of you know rust/c/c++?
ancient minnow
@ancient minnow we're in h ere
@young shoal oh I see
covert scroll
i hate managing with {} and []
shell raptor
Rust is very cool.
rich rover
Rust syntactically isn't so cool
low chasm
Yeah, isn't it similar to python in some ways? I may be wrong
young shoal
definitely many c/cpp programmers here
rich rover
but it's nice overall
ancient minnow
Do any of you know rust/c/c++?
@low chasm I know c++
wooden silo
@low chasm I haven't worked with them professionally, but I've used them for personal projects to various degrees.
shell raptor
I like syntax in Rust so far (learning it). Maybe I'm just weird.
covert scroll
xD
young shoal
i only have enough cpp knowledge to read code from competitive programming solutions, i've never coded in it myself
low chasm
Yeah, the syntax wasn't horrible
wooden silo
I have no complaints about Rust syntax.
covert scroll
it looks really odd for me it looks like java idk why
wooden silo
It makes perfect sense for what it is, imo.
low chasm
Its sort of different, and I like that
rich rover
It's not as bad as cpp or c
covert scroll
cuz i know java has alot of [] {}
ancient minnow
i only have enough cpp knowledge to read code from competitive programming solutions, i've never coded in it myself
@young shoal do u program in Java?
rich rover
that's the only reason that makes it bearable
shell raptor
I like syntax in Rust so far (learning it). Maybe I'm just weird.
Except closures. All the languages secretly compete to invent the weirdest syntax for closures.
young shoal
yeah i use java for cp
low chasm
I know the extreme basics of c++ and Java
hoary steppe
planning to learn c and python
fringe creek
I know some C in the context of programming arduinos with it, but not a lot
low chasm
I was going to learn more, but got distracted by some project
ancient minnow
yeah i use java for cp
@young shoal what do u mean with cp?
rich rover
Learn with one language first
young shoal
competitive programming
rich rover
too much to learn at once
covert scroll
ikr
ancient minnow
Ohh I see, that's cool
low chasm
Lol
wooden silo
Except closures. All the languages secretly compete to invent the weirdest syntax for closures.
@shell raptor It's better than Python's
rich rover
I don't understand anything in cp
hoary steppe
i learned some c by learning about compilers and interpreters and still
covert scroll
i wish we can learn all the Programing langs at once
low chasm
Cool
rich rover
It's just pure evil syntax that i can't even read
shell raptor
I like syntax in Rust so far (learning it). Maybe I'm just weird.
The part I like the most is the type system. It's kind of similar to Haskell's (if you include some experimental extensions or whatever)
hoary steppe
rust is interesting
low chasm
@rich rover I mean, the syntax isn't incredibly difficult
shell raptor
@hoary steppe @topaz aurora We are in the same cult
low chasm
It's easy enough when you get ahold of it
wooden silo
Rust's borrow checker is very cool
covert scroll
i like python's syntax maybe because i am use to it
rich rover
That works for everything lol
low chasm
i like python's syntax maybe because i am use to it
@covert scroll Its simple, and thats appealing to many people
covert scroll
oh
wooden silo
Same level of control as C++, but with safety guaranteed.
shell raptor
Lisp's syntax is very simple, but it's not appealing to that many people :0
low chasm
well yeah
hoary steppe
yeah i can see why
low chasm
lol
hoary steppe
lisp is minimal.
covert scroll
is python powerful? wait what do we use python for? do we even use it or programing or just for kids xD
low chasm
Python is not minimal, but human readable and not overly complex
rich rover
no no noo
young shoal
python is quite powerful
hoary steppe
python is powerful..but slow
rich rover
Python is very very powerful
ancient minnow
is python powerful? wait what do we use python for? do we even use it or programing or just for kids xD
@covert scroll it's used for data science and shit
wooden silo
@covert scroll Python is a widely used language in commercial projects.
low chasm
Yeah its powerful
honest star
It's also a great language to "glue" other tech stacks together and for testing
wooden silo
@covert scroll It's mainly used as a web backend language, and for data science/machine learning applications.
low chasm
hmm?
ancient minnow
would python be like c++ if we dont count speed
@hoary steppe nah
young shoal
in cpu intensive applications (number crunching), python is like 200x slower than a lang like cpp. that's why you call compiled code from python (like numpy) to do it for you instead of writing pure python
rich rover
yes, somewhat
low chasm
Python can't interact with the OS like C /C++does
covert scroll
oh
ancient minnow
C++ can fuck with memory and shit
rough sapphire
you mean in terms of having a huge standard library?
ancient minnow
Python can't do that
low chasm
Yeah, python can't
young shoal
python's std lib is massive
rich rover
C++ is hard for that very reason
low chasm
Oh wait i gtg cya
covert scroll
Hmm is possible to make a OS with Python?
young shoal
no
covert scroll
and load in a pc
wooden silo
@hoary steppe All Turing-complete languages are capable of implementing any computable program.
shell raptor
@ancient minnow
C++ can fuck with memory and shit
Python can't do that
ctypesgo brrr
hoary steppe
hm
rough sapphire
You need a language that interacts with the hardware to make an os
ancient minnow
@ancient minnow
ctypesgo brrr
@shell raptor yes but that's cheating lol
rich rover
You can make an OS with python, but you need C implementations too
rough sapphire
You probably can with python, but you're gonna use lots of c or something
rich rover
Yeah
covert scroll
oh... to use the hardwere so python is not possible to use those
rich rover
You can't handle memory with Python
rough sapphire
and dementati, care if i ask what is your career?
wooden silo
@hoary steppe So all programming languages are essentially equally expressive. It's just that some languages can express themselves more compactly, or more readably.
young shoal
and some are much better than others in different cases
ancient minnow
It usually really depends on the libraries
rich rover
Have you all realised, that #python-discussion died because of this conversation?
covert scroll
which programing langs has more support?
ancient minnow
Why are there so many people called gurkan in this server?
shell raptor
we all know that you're a stone statue 
covert scroll
like libraries
frozen thorn
It's a gurkult.
wooden silo
@shell raptor Why can't stone statues be software engineers?
shell raptor
@wooden silo I'm not saying that π€·ββοΈ
young shoal
production speed would grind to a halt
rich rover
^
frozen thorn
nice lol
tranquil orchid
I feel like theres a bad pun in there somewhere
rich rover
I wanted to say something but i didn't want to be muted
frozen thorn
even though I don't get the pun
young shoal
smfh
shell raptor
unless it's something absolutely horrendous, you're probably not going to get muted π
covert scroll
I've been using Python for a while it doesnt seems like it needs really high level of math i was thinking programing langs needs high level of math
rich rover
@shell raptor also, you're bad at making puns
covert scroll
is that true or false
frozen thorn
You haven't used high level of maths in python yet
young shoal
typically, computer graphics requires lin alg, and ML requires lots of math
you probably won't need to unless you go into those fields
rich rover
You're a good person then, i forgive you @shell raptor
honest star
soooo much linear algebra @_@
covert scroll
wait what is ML?
ancient minnow
Python usually uses a lot of math lol
young shoal
typically it's a lot of discrete math, which you probably are quite comfortable with already
rich rover
Machine learning
shell raptor
!note GurkanArven insulted my puns 
royal lakeBOT
:ok_hand: applied note to @rich rover.
young shoal
yikes
rich rover
oh shit
covert scroll
xD
young shoal
lmfao
rich rover
saw that
high verge
frozen thorn
Lmao I like this emoji.
rich rover
Maybe improve your puns, and then come back here and have a second try
I'll pass it this first time
rough sapphire
What is the math needed for embedded development?
high verge
anything in particular?