ot1-perplexing-regexing

[tribal aurora]

https://www.archlinux.org/packages/

[solid pollen]

Searched what?

[tribal aurora]

that vscode

visual-studio-code-bin 1.49.3-1

[solid pollen]

Looked up on the AUR ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tribal aurora]

that's AUR right?

[solid pollen]

The AUR is one of the arch repo

[tribal aurora]

but where is it

[solid pollen]

The AUR is a separate website

https://aur.archlinux.org/

[tribal aurora]

aur.archlinux.org

yes

I'm searching here

AUR

I'm searching in it right?

@solid pollen

what's wrong

[solid pollen]

Googleing “package_name AUR” often works better

[tribal aurora]

ok

So

I can install with (pacman, pamac, yay)

and AUR

If it doesn't work

@solid pollen I think i'm being annoying , but pls answer me

[solid pollen]

Pacman is the system manager, which can install from various repos, inlucing core, extra, communities, and the AUR

pamac and yay are just wrappers around pacman

[tribal aurora]

why it didn't install with AUR

when I was installing with pacman

[solid pollen]

It did install it from the AUR

[tribal aurora]

no

I had bug

But now it doesn't

I had bug
It*

@solid pollen hmm?

[solid pollen]

Well, it did install it from the AUR

[tribal aurora]

no.

It had bug

It means it didn't install it from AUR

[solid pollen]

The package didn’t randomly materialize in your computer

[tribal aurora]

wdym

Answer this question:

why it had bug when it was installed by AUR

when I did yay -S visual-studio-code-bin

[solid pollen]

Because either the AUR package is misconfigurated, or your OS is

[tribal aurora]

It doesn't have bug

wdym

I'm confused

I did install with pacman --> it had bug

I did install with yay --> it didn't

[solid pollen]

How does that mean it wan’t installed from the AUR

[tribal aurora]

so pacman didn't install it from aur

Hm?

[solid pollen]

It diiiiiidd

[tribal aurora]

why it had bug then?

?

@solid pollen

[solid pollen]

Because someone messed up at some point?

[tribal aurora]

ahh

wdym

[solid pollen]

Well, I don't know, the guy who created the AUR package maybe misconfigured something?

[tribal aurora]

anyways... I had better experience with Kubuntu. More stable than Manjaro... No bug with vscode... one official package manager that install everythings ... lower memory usage than Kubuntu....

[remote socket]

maybe you're having a problem with yay

[tribal aurora]

i dunno

[remote socket]

have you tried git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/visual-studio-code-bin.git, cd visual-studio-code-bin, makepkg -sirc?

(with a tmp directory, or something)

[tribal aurora]

vscode is working now bro

[remote socket]

Did you do the steps that I provided, or something else?

either way, neat

[tribal aurora]

I don't know if it is worth not to switch to Kubuntu again ..

man, vscode is fine now

no need to do anything else

[remote socket]

What did you do to fix it?

[tribal aurora]

used AUR

[remote socket]

so the git clone and all

[tribal aurora]

does pacman uses AUR?

[remote socket]

yay can have some problems sometimes

[tribal aurora]

or yay

[remote socket]

neither

pacman is the package manager, AUR/yay is for user repos

[tribal aurora]

you use Manjaro?

@remote socket

[remote socket]

arch

[tribal aurora]

great

so you choosed newer apps?

@remote socket have you system ever broken?

[remote socket]

No.

[tribal aurora]

did you know both lemon and ves use Ubuntu?

good

[remote socket]

I used to use ubuntu

[tribal aurora]

and?

[remote socket]

meh

[tribal aurora]

how was it

why

why did you switch

[remote socket]

not enough customization

[tribal aurora]

I use Kubuntu

[remote socket]

I wanted a challenge

[tribal aurora]

Kubuntu is better

At least better than Manjaro

[remote socket]

doesn't really matter to me

[tribal aurora]

It uses 800 MB and start up

but Manjaro uses 1.2GB

[remote socket]

if I can program on it, I'm good

[tribal aurora]

how is yours?

[remote socket]

haven't checked

[topaz aurora]

but Manjaro uses 1.2GB
@tribal aurora and that's based on your current set up lol

[tribal aurora]

hey

😂

[topaz aurora]

Again, I've told you mine runs on 500 MB at idle

[tribal aurora]

where did you come from

😂

[remote socket]

I mean

this is an open conversation

anyone can come in

[tribal aurora]

yea

anyways

500 MB is good

but

Mine is laggy

[solid pollen]

Nowadays the system memory is negligeable

[topaz aurora]

The fact that I'm able to multitask better on my potato running Linux is good enough for me

Can't even run Discord + VSC on Windows

[remote socket]

same

if I'm using my laptop with windows any surface that the hardware is on is surely to catch fire

actually I haven't used my laptop in such a long time that I think I should probably wipe it and start a new arch install

[topaz aurora]

Kinda neat how I can run Spotify + Discord + Neovim w/o a hitch

[remote socket]

do you use i3?

[topaz aurora]

XFCE

[eager trout]

Yeah, if I ran windows on my potato, I'd probably smash the potato

[remote socket]

ah yes

xfce looks pretty good

[solid pollen]

To be honest most DEs are cool

[eager trout]

I ran xfce once but it looked like pringles

kde has all the glam for me

[solid pollen]

Prin... gles?

[topaz aurora]

@eager trout Should've installed themes then

[eager trout]

yeah lol

[remote socket]

something like xfce for performance, kde for looks, i3 for I use this computer a lot, gnome for "doesn't matter to me"

xfce does a really great job at performance tho

[eager trout]

yeah, Gtk is pure C

[solid pollen]

i3 is for “I don’t have a lot of screen space”

[remote socket]

i3 is for terminals^inf

[topaz aurora]

I don't have a lot of screen space and i3 doesn't help with it lol

Maybe if I use TUIs

[eager trout]

same

[topaz aurora]

which I don't

[solid pollen]

Well, at least it is supposed to be better than other DEs

[eager trout]

i3 is good if you have a wide ass screen

[remote socket]

manjaro with community-built i3 is actually really good

[topaz aurora]

I might actually buy a second monitor if I could afford one

[eager trout]

I would only be able to run like two half scaled apps

[topaz aurora]

I might actually buy a second monitor if I could afford one
But it shall be vertically-oriented

[remote socket]

oooh

yes

good idea

[solid pollen]

Why are you like that

[remote socket]

amazon does have a bunch of pretty good monitors for cheap

[topaz aurora]

Why are you like that
@solid pollen Rhythm games

[remote socket]

I was not thinking of that lol

I was just thinking "one long boi console"

[solid pollen]

Ah lol

[topaz aurora]

I mean it would be multi-purpose

[remote socket]

but a vertical monitor would do good for osu mania

or games of that sort

[topaz aurora]

Docs, Discord, a long terminal

also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwUL9vxML8A

[remote socket]

"I can see my entire essay"

ah crap I should do my essay

[solid pollen]

Haha

[tribal aurora]

😂

[remote socket]

it's due in a week but still

I don't want to get due date anxiety

[inland wolf]

lol

[solid pollen]

(It’s me or hackernoon is down)

Wait

a week ain’t a lot haha

What’s your essay about?

[remote socket]

500 word essay?

a week is a lot

[inland wolf]

just do it now

lmao

so finihs it

[remote socket]

that was the plan

[topaz aurora]

500 word essay?
@remote socket a week ain't a lot for that

[inland wolf]

then u have nthin to worry bt

[solid pollen]

Ah alright, that’s not a lot

[remote socket]

relative to my other essays

500 word essay in a week is a wonderful feeling

[solid pollen]

Well, I guess it also depends on the subject

[topaz aurora]

Flashback when I had to fill in a chapter or two for my research

[inland wolf]

my school doesnt give me essays

which is worrying

cuz in higher studies

i wont know how to write a good essay

[remote socket]

yeah

[inland wolf]

shit

[solid pollen]

Never wrote any essay

[inland wolf]

bruh

[solid pollen]

I kinda want to write one, for some reason

[inland wolf]

same

but i cant find an interesting topic

[solid pollen]

Well, assuming that the subject is interesting

[inland wolf]

lmao

[remote socket]

@solid pollen write one on why typing is a good build-in lib

[solid pollen]

Haha

[remote socket]

I want a 2k word essay

[inland wolf]

bruh

[remote socket]

complete with thesis

[inland wolf]

akarys gettin homework

wtf is a thesis?

oh no this is more worrying

frik

[remote socket]

yeah that's worrying lol

[inland wolf]

yes

[solid pollen]

Thesis is.. no

[remote socket]

works cited

[solid pollen]

Haha

[remote socket]

all quotes are to be block quotes

(4+ lines)

commentary/analysis should be equal to 2 times the amount of lines the quotes take

[solid pollen]

Is that an actual rule they can give haha

[remote socket]

yes

MLA formatting

[solid pollen]

Wut

[solid pollen]

That’s pretty precise lol

[remote socket]

oh you have no idea

there's so many different rules for citations

[solid pollen]

Where’s the artisitic freedom at haha

[remote socket]

especially in the works cited page

essays? freedom? you're already trapped

[solid pollen]

Haha

PEP8, but for essays

[remote socket]

I once had to write an essay that I clearly disagreed with the topic on

I've never been so mad writing an essay

[solid pollen]

Nice, what was that about?

[remote socket]

I don't remember

I just remember being mad

something about

[solid pollen]

... lol

[remote socket]

uhhhhhhhh

oh yeah

it was on a book

about the conclusion of a book

what it represented

the prompt was something along the lines of "Explain why (wack ass statement) is true"

[solid pollen]

Ah yes

[remote socket]

a better prompt would be "Do you agree with (wack ass statement)?"

maybe even "Given an explanation to why (wack ass statement) is true/false"

just something different from me being forced to agree

alright I'm going to go do homework-type stuffs

cya people

[solid pollen]

Cya

[inland wolf]

bruh wtf is that rule

im scared

so many rules

[mild abyss]

the prompt was something along the lines of "Explain why (wack ass statement) is true"
@remote socket i kinda wonder why some teachers give essay questions that wont let people think or give opinions regarding a subject. weird that it is not open ended. are they training people to just accept the “truth” that was given without giving them the chance to criticize? 🤔

[high verge]

Being able to express a position other than your own is pretty important

And something that I think is missing today in politics

[graceful basin]

Yeah, you should be able to argue for any position, not just those you agree with

[viral nexus]

Hi.

When I used PyInstaller to convert a Python file to a .EXE file then Malwarebytes Anti-Malware and McAfee Anti-Virus were running a scan they both detected the file that I created as malware and I scanned it through the VirusTotal Virus-Scanner but then it was showing 15 positives.

Any help?

[cosmic lotus]

Does your program do anything with your system in any way?

[viral nexus]

No.

Even I put print("Hello World!") it is a malware and still the same.

Hello?

[tribal aurora]

Guys need help

I don't why this happens

it happens sometimes when open a program

not only terminal

[viral nexus]

Hi.
When I used PyInstaller to convert a Python file to a .EXE file then Malwarebytes Anti-Malware and McAfee Anti-Virus were running a scan they both detected the file that I created as malware and I scanned it through the VirusTotal Virus-Scanner but then it was showing 15 positives.
Any help?

[cosmic lotus]

@viral nexus Your best bet probably is to contact your AV and submit your file as a sample. Here's a github thread related about this issue https://github.com/pyinstaller/pyinstaller/issues/4633

[viral nexus]

I don't know I installed Avast Free Antivirus and it also detected the PyInstaller Python .EXE file as a malware.

[cosmic lotus]

The exe made using pyinstaller?

[viral nexus]

Yes.

[tribal aurora]

I couldn't use pyinstaller

I used to use it sometimes in the past

[cosmic lotus]

If your program doesn't have anything suspicious, it's most probably a false positive so the most you could do is send a sample to your AV vendors

[viral nexus]

But is this suspicious it spits out the Wi-Fi passwords of the connection you are connected to and gives out the Mac Address and IP Address of your computer.

[cosmic lotus]

Oh i see

[inland wolf]

it it self doesn't sound like a virus but it can be used in malicious ways

[cosmic lotus]

Yeah

[viral nexus]

And the IP Address is the public IP Address of your computer.

[inland wolf]

hmm

so how is that harmful?

[viral nexus]

Here's the code:

[inland wolf]

I mean can't u just Google what is my IP and get the same result?

[viral nexus]

while False:

command = raw_input(print(username + "@" + hostname1)).strip()
if command == 'ip_set':
    # Python Program to Get IP Address
    import socket
    # Python 3 code to print MAC
    # in formatted way.

    import uuid

    # joins elements of getnode() after each 2 digits.

    print("The MAC address in formatted way is : ", end="")
    print(':'.join(['{:02x}'.format((uuid.getnode() >> ele) & 0xff)
                    for ele in range(0, 8 * 6, 8)][::-1]))

    hostname = socket.gethostname()
    IPAddr = socket.gethostbyname(hostname)
    print("Your Computer Name is:" + hostname)
    print("Your Computer IP Address is:" + IPAddr)

elif command == 'wlan connect':
    import subprocess

    data = subprocess.check_output(['netsh', 'wlan', 'show', 'profiles']).decode('utf-8',
                                                                                 errors="backslashreplace").split(
        '\n')
    profiles = [i.split(":")[1][1:-1] for i in data if "All User Profile" in i]
    for i in profiles:
        try:
            results = subprocess.check_output(['netsh', 'wlan', 'show', 'profile', i, 'key=clear']).decode(
                'utf-8', errors="backslashreplace").split('\n')
            results = [b.split(":")[1][1:-1] for b in results if "Key Content" in b]
            try:
                print("{:<30}|  {:<}".format(i, results[0]))
            except IndexError:
                print("{:<30}|  {:<}".format(i, ""))
        except subprocess.CalledProcessError:
            print("{:<30}|  {:<}".format(i, "ENCODING ERROR"))

elif command == "help":
    '''
    ip_set\n
    wlan connect\n
    '''

else:
    print('--Bash: command not found...')

Yup tried to create a terminal.

[inland wolf]

I think the reason Ur AV thinks it's a virus is cuz the exe isn't signed

[cosmic lotus]

!paste

[royal lake]

Pasting large amounts of code

If your code is too long to fit in a codeblock in discord, you can paste your code here:
https://paste.pydis.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the floppy disk icon in the top right, or by typing ctrl + S. After doing that, the URL should change. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[inland wolf]

it has happened to me b4 too

[viral nexus]

I don't know what the heck is a signed .EXE.

[inland wolf]

like u know when u run an installer

and it asks u should this app be allowed to make changes to Ur computer?

with a yes or no?

there it says the publisher

eg. Microsoft

that's signed by Microsoft

[viral nexus]

No it does not do that and it has no installer.

[cosmic lotus]

Are you using the --onefile arg?

[viral nexus]

No.

[inland wolf]

then do it

also

what I said above was to prove that exes are signed

[viral nexus]

But I am not creating a .EXE file with PyInstaller ever again.

[inland wolf]

and it's always been confusing to me on how to sign it

lol

[viral nexus]

I will use IExpress.

[inland wolf]

relatable

[viral nexus]

Does it work?

[inland wolf]

uh

idk

haven't tried it

[viral nexus]

Okay.

[inland wolf]

k.

[viral nexus]

AW MAN ERROR CREATING CAB FILE. 😠

I mean. >: (

[tribal aurora]

wow

Qt is already installed?

Didn't know that

[high verge]

Signing an exe costs money

And more money to have smartscreen not flag it

I.e. EV

I think

[quaint rivet]

fuk windows

[solid pollen]

Signing doesn't cost money, verifying your key cost money

[quaint rivet]

ye ^

you can sign it for free

[high verge]

Ah yeah should have clarified

Getting a key from a CA

[inland wolf]

lmao

https://updatefaker.com/

[viral nexus]

I created a piece of cool malware in Python.

[inland wolf]

nice

[quaint rivet]

don't share it here tho :)

[tribal aurora]

Guys how much is your swap partition and your ram

[high verge]

Well paging on windows for me is 20gb atm

8gb of ram but I need more

Tasks that are probably more appropriate for 16gb

[cosmic lotus]

Hey ya'll check out this cool website with this cool lookin bubble filter effect
https://www.rouserlab.com/about/

I'm trying to figure out how they did it

The effect's most probably WebGL, so the question is how did they pass the DOM elements to WebGL

[lofty dirge]

16GB of RAM, my page file is 9GB but using almost none of it

[rough sapphire]

I use 10gb swap

its usually good to give 1x, 1.5x your ram amount

[terse sluice]

yeah, 16gb ram, 24gb swap

but on my laptop i have 8gb ram and 16gb swap

[solid pollen]

I have 16Gb RAM + 5Gb SWAP on my NVMe, good enough tbh

[terse sluice]

won't be great if you try and hibernate

[solid pollen]

I don’t hibernate ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rough sapphire]

hibernating in linux is slow to me than shutting down and restarting

[terse sluice]

hibernating is nice for me since i dual boot

[solid pollen]

I never boot windows, I don’t seem to really have a need for it

[rough sapphire]

I don't even have windows 😳

[terse sluice]

autocad, photoshop, music prod software, and some games don't work on linux sadly

and don't say gimp for photoshop lol

[rough sapphire]

I only play true games like Minecraft 😎

also yeah I don't do any of those

If you become a streamer, well lot of people are streaming in linux

so there should be an alternative

[terse sluice]

i can stream fine on linux

obs works

[solid pollen]

Gimp for ph- no okay, gimp is garbagio

I’m scared that the uni will make me use a windows laptop because CAD programs

I really don’t want to

[rough sapphire]

auto cad for drawing right

I had that in year one but we switched back to simple drawings

[terse sluice]

computer aided drafting

yeah, i have to use windows for autocad lol

[rough sapphire]

We have that in mechanical engineering, luckily I am in CS which is so peaceful

[solid pollen]

I read that as computer aided rafting haha

[terse sluice]

lol

[rough sapphire]

I gotta ask... how does hibernating help with dual boot? Ive never really used the hibernate on pcs.

I have problems streaming on linux but its definitely an nvidia issue. The software all works, its just there is a tendency to crash and the quality gets really bad.

Like crash the entire system, not just OBS.

[mild abyss]

i will find a way for genshin impact to work on linux aaaaaaaah

[undone berry]

It's possible to stream on Linux - but I don't think anyone who does it regularly does it

[rough sapphire]

yeah.

I mainly wanted to do it for making, "Learn to use Linux" videos.

Not gaming.

But I have better luck using other tools than OBS

[undone berry]

There was one guy I know who used to be a lead dev for some Linux project (Bodhi Linux or something) and he gave up with streaming on Linux because it was a PITA

[solid pollen]

OBS worked out of the box on my Manjaro computer, surprisingly enough

[rough sapphire]

what graphics card?

[mild abyss]

manjaro i think is well optimized for such stuff.

pop!_os too

[undone berry]

Working isn't the issue. Memory leaks, and random small problems are the issue

[rough sapphire]

I'm 100% convinced I would have less issues if I didnt have nvidia.

[solid pollen]

Gtx 1060 6Gb

[rough sapphire]

That is my card.

interesting.

[young shoal]

hey i have that card too

[solid pollen]

I’m using the non-free drivers though, mesa kinda sucks

[plucky ridge]

You have to make sure you're using proprietary drivers

Yep

[rough sapphire]

yeah

[solid pollen]

Which brand? Mine is a MSI

[rough sapphire]

MSI.

I think its a little aesthetically absurd but at the time it was the best value

[solid pollen]

Haha, the one with the dual fans?

[rough sapphire]

yeah

[solid pollen]

Lol we have the exact same card

[rough sapphire]

yep

I bought it right before the crypto mining craze happened.

It was the only time I bought an electronic that shot up in value

I considered selling it after because it went up in value so high compared to what i paid

But without a graphics card i cant turn on the PC at all

because its AMD CPU

[solid pollen]

Ah F

[inland wolf]

sup

#ot1-perplexing-regexing seems free

[rough sapphire]

no next one

[tribal aurora]

@terse sluice sry for pinging

[inland wolf]

great way to start a message dont u think?

[tribal aurora]

what linux distro are you using?

[terse sluice]

manjaro

[tribal aurora]

WOW

[hoary steppe]

manajsdiur

manajro

[tribal aurora]

👍👍👍👍

[hoary steppe]

MAN Jaro

[tribal aurora]

Yes

Manjaro is best

[hoary steppe]

didnt u complained about it last time

yesterday

[tribal aurora]

@terse sluice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2F6lIxa-kM take a look at this

is this guy right?

[hoary steppe]

im confused rn

[tribal aurora]

why

[hoary steppe]

u said manjaro full of bugs yesterday and bad now u saying its the best

[tribal aurora]

😂

yes

I'm still saying manjaro is buggy

[inland wolf]

k

[tribal aurora]

but I found the problem

[hoary steppe]

;__;

[tribal aurora]

I've just setup that swap partition to 50 GB 😅

that's why it was laggy

[rough sapphire]

wut no

[hoary steppe]

what??

[tribal aurora]

I don't if I wrote that correctly

I setup?

I've setup?

I fixed that

now it's 8GB

like my ram

I don't if I wrote that correctly
Know*

hm?

which should i say

[quaint rivet]

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[solid pollen]

keep calm ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)

[plucky ridge]

And carry on?

[mellow spire]

why does lemon have code jam participant role?

[plucky ridge]

It's so we can test roles

[mellow spire]

also what is insights?

[plucky ridge]

I think it's just statistics about the server

[honest star]

I should spend more time with discord's new "view the server as this role"
It looks really useful to fine-tuning permissions

[plucky ridge]

If I'm thinking of the right thing

For sure

[mellow spire]

that insights event i meant

[quaint rivet]

what?

discord has a new feature like that???

[plucky ridge]

I don't see an insights event

Sorry I'm very tired

[quaint rivet]

the events team: Insights role

on joe

[mellow spire]

check joe role, he has that Events Team: Insights

[plucky ridge]

Ah now I see

I have no idea

[solid pollen]

It is about a super secret pydis form™️

I mean, joe is leading the project, it is about stats of course

[plucky ridge]

HA

Yeah, if he's involved, there's going to be graphs

[mellow spire]

lol :joe_pleased:

[lofty dirge]

Wow, Google went full Oracle.

Never go full Oracle

https://workspace.google.com/pricing.html

Jacked up pricing, lowered features.

[undone berry]

how is that full oracle? Just a name change right?

pricing looks the same as always to me - at least for the low end

[hoary steppe]

holy heck

[lofty dirge]

Not on higher end

300 user cap

Like unlimited storage disappeared

[plucky grotto]

unlimited storage disappeared

yeah suuuuuure

No one offers or has offered that

[lofty dirge]

And data region support as well

[plucky grotto]

Probably said somewhere with small letters what the actual limit was

I've seen bs like that before

[lofty dirge]

Yes 750GB a day

[plucky grotto]

aha, so exactly 0% of unlimited, there you go

[lofty dirge]

Per day

[plucky grotto]

could be per second, still not unlimited

[quick ledge]

it is unlimited in the sense you will probably not run out of it

[undone berry]

nothing in the world is unlimited

[lofty dirge]

I had a client that ran photography business, they would archive all their photos to Google Drive.

Couple of long term photographers had 4-5TB in their drives

Probably more. This was 3 years ago

Lack of data regions is killer for two old clients

[undone berry]

I'm guessing they're not grandfathering people into the old plans

and just forcing them to move over

[lofty dirge]

Office365 consulting hours here I come

[plucky grotto]

it is unlimited in the sense you will probably not run out of it
That's like selling a car with "it goes 500km/h" when it actually just goes 300km/h, because "no one is gonna drive that fast"

👀

[undone berry]

How much do you charge /h for consulting on that stuff?

also - 750gb/d doesn't mean it's not unlimited storage - you just have limited uploads

[quick ledge]

That's like selling a car with "it goes 500km/h" when it actually just goes 300km/h, because "no one is gonna drive that fast"
@plucky grotto then again, you are not limited.

yo just can't reach the limit

[plucky grotto]

I mean.....

I guess

lmao

[solid pollen]

plans as low as {@price_monthly_business_starter} per user per month

Ah yes

[lofty dirge]

You had unlimited storage just not throughput

Where is bisk

[atomic gazelle]

why is this called: "the-mods-are-goldfish"

i am a goldfish

not them

[solid pollen]

they're a snack that smiles back
@frozen crane

I think this is the best answer possible

[frozen crane]

yes

[atomic gazelle]

yeh

[rough sapphire]

The mods are goldfish, and so are you, Techa

[atomic gazelle]

yeh 😄

[honest star]

hmmmm... is my day going poorly enough already that I'm ready to start day drinking?

[lofty dirge]

Possibly

[undone berry]

Zoom lectures make me want to take up day drinking

[honest star]

I think the answer is a resounding yes. I have a zoom lecture in 30 minutes and my day has already gone to absolute hell

[young shoal]

wait, that's bad don't do that

[undone berry]

it's like what? midday there?

[honest star]

10:36 am

[young shoal]

that's way too early

[undone berry]

depends on how busy your afternoon is supposed to be

[honest star]

2 meetings for grad school (also through zoom) and then homework

Also work

but work is effectively fucked for today

[undone berry]

that sounds like it's probably not that poor of a choice to start drinking now

although I do have very low standards for that sort of thing

[honest star]

Oh yeah, I already have a cider and am drinking.

[undone berry]

I just discovered I need to write some shitty genetic algorithms in Java - goddammit I hate Java

[quick ledge]

genetic algorithms?

[graceful basin]

kotlin is not allowed?

[undone berry]

Probably not - the lecturer is ancient. I'm probably gonna end up writing it in Kotlin first anyway

[honest star]

what class?

[undone berry]

Machine Intelligence

just a bunch of shitty optimisation algorithms

[graceful basin]

that does sound like a class that would use java

[solid pollen]

BeCaUsE jAvA iS sO sMaRt ItS tHe FuTuRe

[young shoal]

java?

[graceful basin]

for a very long time, java was the main language for data science

so it makes sense that a uni class would stick with it

and honestly, java is not dying anytime soon

[undone berry]

it is dying in terms of data science. Julia, R, and Python cover all the possible use cases that Java might have covered

[mild abyss]

oooh i havent heard Julia. but imma stick to R and Python since i know R (i forgot though) but still a noob on python

[floral viper]

I found a really interesting weakness in R a few days ago. Turns out R does not support arbitrary slicing

So you cant do a[1:]

Also Java for data science I suppose has to do with hadoop

[graceful basin]

you can do a[1..], no?

or do ranges have to end

[solid pollen]

I guess you can end it with the length of the list, no?

[floral viper]

In R? No idea about a[1..]

[graceful basin]

you definitely have a..b

but I am not sure if they have full haskell style ranges

[floral viper]

I need to try that later, I had to do a clunky workaround for my program

[balmy stream]

Here's something to cry: https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeMeSmile/comments/j5ue5h/halo_is_a_great_pyrenees_who_was_born_with_no/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[floral viper]

a[1:-6]

[honest star]

@balmy stream I don't think you need to post that in multiple ot channels

[floral viper]

Yeah please dont barge into ongoing discussions. I saw that in the other ot

[balmy stream]

I only posted in 2 channels smh

[honest star]

There's also an active convo happening in this one and one ot is enough

[graceful basin]

(define fib (lambda ()
  (let loop((n 1))
     (begin
        (display (vector-ref (vector "FizzBuzz" n n "Fizz" n "Buzz" "Fizz" n n "Fizz" "Buzz" n "Fizz" n n) (modulo n 15)))
        (newline)
        (if (< n 100) (loop (1+ n)) '())))))
```I think this is my new favourite way to do fizzbuzz

[honest star]

what lang?

[undone berry]

Also Java for data science I suppose has to do with hadoop
Hadoop now is pretty much all Scala

[young shoal]

looks lispy

[honest star]

Day by day I'm increasingly getting tempted by scala

[graceful basin]

scheme

[honest star]

My professor is explaining MATLAB code line by line. This is painful as someone who doesn't use MATLAB for this class.

[graceful basin]

I mean, how else are you going to explain it?

[honest star]

Just post it for people who use MATLAB to view later or comment your code.

[undone berry]

That's what all of my lectures seem to be this year. Painstakingly walking through something step by step when it's the kind of thing that you could relatively easily pick up on your own - and in my case stuff that should be prerequisite knowledge for that unit

[young shoal]

hey that's happening to me

[honest star]

Are you also virtual?
I think the worst I experienced was professor trying to explain matrix math when his apple pen died so he was using his finger to try and write.

[young shoal]

yeah for a computer science class

[undone berry]

I am virtual - spent 30m today explaining how to turn this into a set of constraints - despite the fact that it's literally taught as part of GCSE maths here (16yos)

and someone kept drawing on the zoom whiteboard thing

and the lecturer kept trying to figure out how to fucking clear it

[young shoal]

haha my math teacher didn't know how to stop that so people kept drawing things

[undone berry]

and this is supposed to be final year bachelors/masters students

[quaint rivet]

I'm curious

what exactly were they drawing

[frozen crane]

that does sound like a class that would use java
@graceful basin I'm taking an AI class right now and it's Python

[graceful basin]

I mean, that is the more sensible choice. But if you have a competent ai prof that worked in java his whole life, he is gonna teach java

[frozen crane]

maybe. my advisor recently decided to switch from perl to python for her nlp class even though she can't compose in python

and she's been working in perl her whole career

[undone berry]

Machine Intelligence isn't really about traditional AI, SKLearn TensorFlow type stuff - more about general search and optimisation problems and solving them directly

[frozen crane]

ah

The class I took that for that was in Java, yes

[low chasm]

Hi

[solid pollen]

Hello!

[young shoal]

Hello!

[low chasm]

Hi

[trim oyster]

yello

[quick ledge]

hey

[mental bison]

the number theory class I'm in has given me very important information such as the fact that I was born on a friday

[quick ledge]

cool

When was I born?

[mental bison]

how would I know that

[young shoal]

may 7th

[quick ledge]

DAMN

HOW DID YO KNOW?

BRUH

Am I getting doxxed?

[hoary steppe]

according to legends and also cannon

@quick ledge u were born 900 years before

[rough sapphire]

https://blog.sonatype.com/sonatype-spots-malicious-npm-packages
another day another npm supply chain vulnerability.

[quaint rivet]

hey

[pliant needle]

hey

[quaint rivet]

How was ur aad exam?

[pliant needle]

It was nor tough nor easy

it was tended towards tough more

because I have to do lot of debugging

[quaint rivet]

yeah, did u get the certification

[pliant needle]

It will take some time

around 45 days they said

But I leaned a lot by just giving the exam

first time I created a app withing 7 hours

Now I am done with Native kotlin

now making app in flutter

coz.. I already know angular and vue

[quaint rivet]

uh

what

[pliant needle]

I didn't like react

[quaint rivet]

you got all your projects hosted somewhere?

[pliant needle]

no eveything is in github

one project in django

is hosted

https://andamanblooddonors.herokuapp.com

But I need to learn more tough...

its not enough

[quaint rivet]

😐

[high verge]

uh what

ok now its here

i pasted the image and it disappeared

oh dear

they're all coming through

well i was going to complain about the closing braces

[sour forge]

What language is that?

[pliant needle]

what language is that???

yeah same doubt

[quaint rivet]

lakimotal

[sour forge]

heh

[quaint rivet]

lakmatiol

[sour forge]

no really whats it?

[quaint rivet]

lemme ask lakmatiol

[round rose]

It's lisp

[quaint rivet]

ah

[sour forge]

hmmmm

[quaint rivet]

lips

[pliant needle]

lisp??

is that even a lang

[quaint rivet]

mhm

[pliant needle]

where it is used

[round rose]

yes

[sour forge]

thats the first langauge I have seen that allows - in its syntax

[quaint rivet]

time to learn it xD

[pliant needle]

yeah

but lemme the use case

lisp is used for what

it is just for coding

not used in real life

[sour forge]

Looks like AI is its strong point

[high verge]

wot

[pliant needle]

Python is for AI

i know AI

[high verge]

uh

not really

[pliant needle]

it has lots of library

[high verge]

it also has libraries for basically everything else

[pliant needle]

Yeah

but majorily it used for AI, ML , WEb dev

[tired haven]

@pliant needle How old were you when you started to learn coding?

[pliant needle]

Not android XD

5th srd

std

not forced by anyone

just explored the world of programming

and dived into it

[tired haven]

So how old in years?

[sour forge]

12

[pliant needle]

8 to 9 years

[sour forge]

assuming they are indian, which i am sure they are

ehh?

My maths must be weak

[pliant needle]

Yeah INDIAN

Indians math are strong almost

[tired haven]

Wow. That is so young.

[sour forge]

I am pretty sure a fifth standard would be 10-12 years old

Indians math are strong almost
@pliant needle I seem to be an exception then

[tired haven]

I don't know whether to be impressed or concerned.

[sour forge]

Impressed mostly

[pliant needle]

thanks

[sour forge]

Why concerned?

[high verge]

not all that young

from the concerned point of view i mean

[sour forge]

There's always that guy ^

[high verge]

hehe

[tired haven]

9 years old is very young to be worrying about things like computer programming.

[high verge]

really?

[sour forge]

Yeah there's nothing to worry about

[pliant needle]

bro... It was just curiosity

[sour forge]

The indian syllabus has basic visual basic in 6th standard

[pliant needle]

of mine

[high verge]

that's cool

[sour forge]

and they start with turtle and scratch from 2nd grade

[pliant needle]

Indian school don't even allow to touch the computer

[sour forge]

You must be from a different city then

[pliant needle]

and you are telling tutle and scratch

no whole india is like that

[tired haven]

I don't even understand how you can get started with programming that early. I was still taking spelling tests in 2nd grade.

[sour forge]

Nope, I learnt them when I was in 2nd grade

from school ^

[pliant needle]

but wait scratch is made for kids itself

[sour forge]

Yeah it is

[pliant needle]

ok bye

good night

everyone

[sour forge]

gn

[tired haven]

goodnight.

[quaint rivet]

haha

time for bed 😆

[tired haven]

Are you in eastern hemisphere @quaint rivet ?

[quaint rivet]

lemme check

[tired haven]

Are you in asia?

[quaint rivet]

yea

[frozen thorn]

lol its 11am for me

[quaint rivet]

oh I didn't mean time for bed for me

but for iamdigital guy

[tired haven]

@frozen thorn You're on the west coast of North America like me it sounds like.

[frozen thorn]

Yep, west

[tired haven]

me too

That's either mind-blowing / mind-boggling that he started programming so young.

[sour forge]

I think they areTurkish, right? @quaint rivet

[quaint rivet]

who

[sour forge]

you

[tired haven]

@sour forge It's a he, you don't need to use "they"

[quaint rivet]

no that's isik

not me

[sour forge]

ohh

wbu?

[quaint rivet]

same as u :p

[sour forge]

@sour forge It's a he, you don't need to use "they"
@tired haven I prefer they though

Ohhhh

which city?

I am in delhi

[quaint rivet]

close

[sour forge]

NCR?

[quaint rivet]

mhmm

[tired haven]

I'm pretty sure it's about what the person who you're calling "they" identifies as.

[sour forge]

Cool

[quaint rivet]

I mean

[sour forge]

I will be starting uni there this month onwards

[tired haven]

Where are you from (country) @sour forge ?

[quaint rivet]

damn

[sour forge]

Delhi is in india

[quaint rivet]

uni at this time

[sour forge]

No not really, but my uni is there

[quaint rivet]

unis accepting Admissions?

[sour forge]

idk when physical classes start tho

yeah

[tired haven]

What country are you from Ignis?

[quaint rivet]

they want the money

[sour forge]

India

[tired haven]

Damn, so many Indians here.

[sour forge]

they want the money
@quaint rivet Don't we all?

[quick ledge]

Damn, so many Indians here.
@tired haven plz snd bobs

[quaint rivet]

they'll are everywhere

they*

[sour forge]

yeh hi vivek

[tired haven]

@quick ledge bobs?

[quaint rivet]

lmao

[sour forge]

bobs

[quick ledge]

nvm, sciencecompliance

it's a meme

[quaint rivet]

u don't watch pewdiepie ig

😆

[sour forge]

You don't need to watch pewdiepie to know what bobs is

Most people from our generation know what it is

[quaint rivet]

🤨

[sour forge]

@tired haven Where you from?

[tired haven]

I've watched PewDiePie very rarely.

[frozen thorn]

huh... idk what bobs are

[quaint rivet]

see

[tired haven]

I'm from the United States, west coast.

[sour forge]

This is a non NSFW server

[quaint rivet]

they're probably from our generation

[sour forge]

ohhh wow

[tired haven]

yeah

[quaint rivet]

or younger idk

[sour forge]

Is New York in west coast?

[tired haven]

No, New York is East Coast

[quick ledge]

lol

[quaint rivet]

lol

[sour forge]

😦

[tired haven]

West coast is California, Oregon, Washington

[sour forge]

my geograph is weak

[quaint rivet]

yea can tell

[quick ledge]

That's ok

[quaint rivet]

you can always use Google dw

[tired haven]

Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego are the big cities on the west coast.

[quaint rivet]

unless u get lost in a jungle with no internet

[sour forge]

that's why i don't bother

[frozen thorn]

Wait, portland?

[tired haven]

Yes, Portland.

[sour forge]

What's that?

[quaint rivet]

city

[sour forge]

computer port?

[tired haven]

Portland is on the west coast.

[frozen thorn]

ah a city in Oregon. Same name as Island of England

[tired haven]

You don't know about Portland, Oregon?

[frozen thorn]

I had to google it

[sour forge]

Apparently not

[tired haven]

It's probably the smallest of the cities I listed.

Either that or San Diego. I'm not sure which one is smaller.

But San Diego and Los Angeles kind of melt into each other.

[sour forge]

Does that mean they don't have definite borders?

Or is that advanced english I am too illiterate to understand?

[quaint rivet]

cities have borders?

[sour forge]

Yeah they do

[tired haven]

@sour forge Yes, that is pretty much what it means

[quick ledge]

There are many places in the US with names of other places

[quaint rivet]

melt into one means they're too small too differentiate from each other

[quick ledge]

like Porlkand

[tired haven]

@quaint rivet Officially, yes, cities have borders. Unofficially, no.

melt into each other means the population density never becomes completely rural between them.

[quaint rivet]

ohh

[tired haven]

You can't draw a definite line where Los Angeles stops and San Diego starts.

[quaint rivet]

yeah

[rough sapphire]

Also, what used to be small towns around cities are increasingly part of the "Greater Area" of that city.

Obviously the west coast has been a string of cities with no rural areas until you move inland for a long time

But that is happening in places everywhere now

anywhere they have cities at least

[tired haven]

Well, Los Angeles itself is a bunch of small towns and cities that just grew into each other.

[rough sapphire]

yeah

that happening here in Texas is whata i mean though.

[tired haven]

Yeah.

If you visit Los Angeles, it's obvious by the street patterns that there was no master plan.

[rough sapphire]

yeah. Here thaat depends on where you are. In Austin they have the grid system that imitates New York (just much smaller). But in San Antonio, it wasa obviously a much older city, and it doesnt make a lot of sense. It was a preautomobile city.

[tired haven]

Ah

[rough sapphire]

But yeah, the formerly rural people that the city is growing out to are often very bitter here.

But its happening.

[tired haven]

Well, their property values are increasing, so that can't be something to be upset about.

[frozen thorn]

property values are crazy here

[rough sapphire]

eh depends on too many factors to say that.

[tired haven]

Where do you live again Saby?

[frozen thorn]

West coast.

[young shoal]

imagine living in a state that is on fire

[tired haven]

Don't have to

[frozen thorn]

5 years ago, my parents bought this house for 220k and it's 400k now

[tired haven]

That is my reality.

[rough sapphire]

A lot of people who work in Austin commute over an hour so that they can work here but they cant afford to live here. Most local people have been driven out. Its like the San Francisco of Texas.

[tired haven]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[frozen thorn]

imagine living in a state that is on fire
@young shoal Please, I'm fire lord

[rough sapphire]

I wish it was more dry here. It's too hot to be this damp.

When most people think of Texas they imagine west Texas, the tumble weeds and desert. But its mostly not like that. Its mostly humid.

I wish it was dry.

but not on fire

[tired haven]

So are any of you guys 14 year old prodigies like some people here?

[frozen thorn]

lol

Do you think I'm 14

[tired haven]

No.

[rough sapphire]

I wish.

[tired haven]

Imdigitalashish claims to be 14, but I'm not sure.

He/they was on here earlier.

I don't understand how a 14 year old could know so much stuff about coding.

[rough sapphire]

At 14 I was a computer nerd and I knew more about my computer than most people in my school, but that's not saying a lot when you're sitting in a room of professionals.

[tired haven]

I suppose.

At 14 I was a skater kid.

[frozen thorn]

When I was 14, I tried running some distro on chromebook

[rough sapphire]

yeah, that was also a huge paart of why I couldnt have been a prodigy at 14. I was too much of a kid.

I smoked weed.

lol

[frozen thorn]

other than that, I pretty much played video games

[tired haven]

I was a skater kid who was good at math but straight edge with weed / alcohol.

[eternal wing]

imagine living in a state that is on fire
Imagine

[rough sapphire]

Actually Im lying

I didnt try weed until I was 16.

[tired haven]

I was 17 or 18 when I tried weed for the first time.

[rough sapphire]

I would recommend to most kids to not try it until they are older now that im older

[eternal wing]

I'm all clean bois 😎 none of the devils lettuce here

[tired haven]

I thought it was the weirdest thing in the world when I tried it the first time and didn't do it again for a long time.

[quaint rivet]

devils lettuce

hahaha

[rough sapphire]

I liked weed a lot when I was in high school. But I grew out of it. I still kinda like it. But not enough to go out of my way for it.

[tired haven]

I don't like it enough to deal with the aftermath.

It just makes me exhausted afterward.

[rough sapphire]

Hrm, I didn't have any negative effects from it but I know that some people do. The most common one is social anxiety.

[eternal wing]

I was always really bad at math in high school. But it turned out I was just bad at high school

[tired haven]

I usually enjoy the experience itself but not the aftermath.

[rough sapphire]

Interesting. I feel that way about alcohol. lol.

[frozen thorn]

I think high school is a waste of time

[tired haven]

I'm a little bit of an alcoholic.

lol

[frozen thorn]

40 hours a week. And here I'm spending time like 10-20 hours in college

[rough sapphire]

ahh, it happens. A person is usually one or the other and not both.

[high verge]

i mean you learn a lot in high school

not just in classes

and there's lots of free time

[tired haven]

Alcohol is the thing keeping me from having a 6-pack lol.

[high verge]

[rough sapphire]

to be fair when I was in high school, the web was not a place of active commerce the way it is now.

To be a prodigy back then, you needed someone to get you into computer science

[tired haven]

Me neither.

[quaint rivet]

Alcohol is the thing keeping me from having a 6-pack lol.
@tired haven but u still manage to have six pack just not the one u want

[rough sapphire]

Otherwise you were likely just a kid witha geocities page

[tired haven]

@quaint rivet I want both.

But can only have one.

[quaint rivet]

can't have them both 😔

[tired haven]

I have also grown to dislike running which is unfortunate.

[rough sapphire]

I basically only like alcohol in environments where other people are drinking and it would suck to be around them sober.

Thats the only time I drink

[tired haven]

I have at least one drink every evening.

almost every evening.

[eternal wing]

I have at least one drink every evening.
that may not be too bad, but you are maybe getting into unhealthy territory depending on how many

[tired haven]

beer usually.

[rough sapphire]

I used to be a marijuana smoker of that frequency but not anymore. I live a mostly coffee fueled life now.

[tired haven]

@eternal wing It's probably a little unhealthy, but I balance it with weightlifting and cycling, so meh for now.

[rough sapphire]

It used to be I would drink and smoke on occasion with people but now people occasions are not common

So its just coffee for me

[eternal wing]

yeah, caffeine is my go to xD

addiction runs in the family, so I am overly cautious haha

[frozen thorn]

I drink soda, tea, water, milk, and juice. That's it

[tired haven]

I tried buying some tea recently to replace the oral fixation with alcohol in the evenings, but it just isn't the same 😕

[eternal wing]

soda water can kinda work for some people

[frozen thorn]

try 7up and milk

[tired haven]

Eh...

[eternal wing]

yeah eh

[frozen thorn]

lol jk. It's not for me

[tired haven]

I really don't want to get into carbonated sugar water.

I hardly ever drink soda.

[eternal wing]

soda water == no sugar

[tired haven]

Yeah, like Perrier, I get it.

[rough sapphire]

Alcohol just has an effect htat I dont like unless there is a social situation. In social situations, its perfect. But if im alone, it just puts me off my game.

[tired haven]

I feel like alcohol just takes the edge off in the evenings for me.

[eternal wing]

ive known a few people who replaced alcohol with soda water, weirdly enough. Does not work super well doe haha

I can definitely relate xD

[tired haven]

yeah, i can't imagine the taste of soda water being a suitable replacement.

[eternal wing]

im kinda taking the month off of drinking, but I do not drink very often.

it is not very suitable

[frozen thorn]

Replace beer with root beer?

[rough sapphire]

If its a sub threshold dosage of alcohol, like one drink... that doesnt bother me that much. But if I can feel it, it will make me not enjoy whatever im reading, watching on netflix, etc

[eternal wing]

but it helps if you need something to replace haha

[tired haven]

Well, the problem with soda soda is that the sugar will do the opposite of alcohol and act as a stimulant.

[eternal wing]

I really enjoy the affects tbh, but I am very cautious with it, so I end up barely drinking ever

[tired haven]

I need to cut down. It's going to age me too quickly if I don't cut back.

[eternal wing]

the easiest way to cut down is to not buy it haha

[tired haven]

People who drink a lot look haggard when they're older.

[eternal wing]

or rather limit how much you buy it

[tired haven]

Well, I mean, that's easy to say, but it's almost an addiction.

[eternal wing]

yeah, I know. Not trying to imply that it is easy

plus most grocery stores make you walk through a mile of alcohol to get to the actual food.

[tired haven]

When I'm craving a drink I'll walk a mile to the grocery store to re-stock.

[eternal wing]

well at least you walked a mile LOL

[tired haven]

I'm saying I WOULD.

I usually drive there.

[eternal wing]

rip

[tired haven]

lmao

[rough sapphire]

tbh, I know what its like to have an addiction to pills, so I relate, but the nice thing about that is you just get away from them 100% and its pretty easy. I havent taken pills in years.

[tired haven]

I have walked a mile to get beer before, though.

[rough sapphire]

But if my problem was alcohol...

I respect that that has to be hard

You cant get away from it

[eternal wing]

it is literally everywhere

[tired haven]

Well, it's not like I put up a fight against the urge or anything.

[eternal wing]

a lot of people are not very understanding of alcohol addiction too, I have seen. Lots of peer pressure due to alcohol's perception

[tired haven]

I just accept it as a normal part of my life right now, but at some point it's going to become an issue.

[eternal wing]

yeah, sadly that is kind of how my parents always were. They are just in denial now and the affects are clear.

[tired haven]

Yeah.

[rough sapphire]

Yeah alcohol is the only drug where the users of it will break it out in front of you aand demand that you do it with them

[tired haven]

It has probably already caused a little premature aging.

[rough sapphire]

In some cultures they will be strongly offended if you decline

Its kind of ridiculous

[tired haven]

Yeah, it is.