ot1-perplexing-regexing

[solid pollen]

Yup haha

[inland wolf]

lol

[quick ledge]

geography?

why?

[inland wolf]

so the hash function will give us a value from 0 to 100? never more yeah? cuz of the fixed length?

[solid pollen]

Yeah, because we made our hash function does that

[inland wolf]

nice

[solid pollen]

So now, if we want to map the object o to a key k, we will hash k, see in which bucket it falls in, and place the tuple (k, o) in this bucket

[inland wolf]

mm I see

[solid pollen]

(Note that we aren’t necessarely talking about a python tuple, a chain of two pointers is good enough)

[inland wolf]

yea ok

[solid pollen]

Now, if we want the map of k

we hash k, see in which bucket it is in, loop through every tuple in it, and if we find a tuple with k in it, then we have our o

[inland wolf]

that's why u cant have duplicate keys?

[solid pollen]

Yup, that’s why

[inland wolf]

damn that's cool

[solid pollen]

It would map to the exact same bucket

So now you might ask how is that very efficient even for large dict?

Well, it is because this is very scalable

[inland wolf]

so it isn't fully O(1) cuz it looping thru one bucket to get the value right?

[solid pollen]

Yup

[inland wolf]

bruuuuh that's cool

how do ppl think of this stuf lmao

[solid pollen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[inland wolf]

so the buckets will always be of fixed length?

like 0-10 will have a size of 10 right?

every other bucket will have size 10 yes?

[solid pollen]

So if you start to have a lot of objects inside the dictionary, you can just add more buckets and scale it up, while keeping out O(1), because we can always calculate the address of the bucket with a base_ptr + bucket_size * bucket_id

[inland wolf]

oooh

coool

[solid pollen]

Yes, if you select a size for a bucket, every others has to use the same size, and the sum should fill the entire hash range

[inland wolf]

I see

[solid pollen]

Now, let’s come back to our database

[inland wolf]

so databases use the same technique?

oh ok

[solid pollen]

Let’s take a very simple database, that just maps an ID to an object

[inland wolf]

okay

[solid pollen]

Now we can have a simple dictionary, that’d be inside a file instead of the memory

If we want the object with a certain id, you can hash it and see in which bucket it is in

[inland wolf]

so the id will be unique?

[solid pollen]

Every buckets are actually stored as a list inside a section b

[inland wolf]

like a key in a dict?

[solid pollen]

so the id will be unique?
@inland wolf yes

[inland wolf]

I see

[solid pollen]

And in the section a, we just have the place in the file (in n numbers of characaters before the beginning of the file) of each bucket

Why’s that, you might ask? Because our actual bucket lists have a variable length, but the index in the section a has a fixed length for every bucket

[inland wolf]

hmm

[solid pollen]

In other words, if you say that the “address” of a bucket is ten chars long, you can be certain that the 10 characters at section_a_start + 10 * bucket_id you can get the position of this bucket in the file

Now, you can read the bucket (and the bucket only) to search for the actual file

[inland wolf]

so it's similar to dicts

bruh

I wasted so much time lmao

[solid pollen]

The whole thing is that you don’t need to read the whole file, you can just ask the OS to give you x chars from this position

[inland wolf]

ahhh

that's why u don't just open the file

u connect to it

[solid pollen]

And if you take a closer look at how we “fetch” an object, we only read 10 chars + the bucket, which shouldn’t be more than 100 chars long

so it is really efficient

exactly

You might have heard of .seek, which allows you to go to a certain position in the file, and then you can use .read to only read a certain amount of characters

Something to note, databases aren’t just a one-to-one mapping

They have a lot of many-to-one mappings

But the thing is that you can represent any of those mapping using one dict

A database is just a lot of dicts, basically

Do you have any question?

[quaint rivet]

i think u lost him

[solid pollen]

Haha yeah

[inland wolf]

no my mom called me lmao

I'm back now

oooohhhh

so databases are just thic dicts

with more complexities

but still Hecking fast

[solid pollen]

Basically yeah

[inland wolf]

yes

lol

thx for clarifying

that was really helpful

[solid pollen]

Anytime!

[quaint rivet]

thic dicts 😂

[young shoal]

thicts

nice ghost ping

[crystal mist]

hehe

hes my friend

[inland wolf]

thicts

BRUH

databases are THICTS

SavagePastaMan coined it guys

u heard it here first folks

thicts

thicql (SQL)

thicis (redis)

thicqlite (SQLite)

[rough sapphire]

Hi

[inland wolf]

sup

[edgy crest]

savagePasta man is the imposter

[inland wolf]

lol

[edgy crest]

i saw him go down the vent

[inland wolf]

lol

[solid pollen]

Redis is the imposter, it isn't a database

[inland wolf]

lol

NICE

we gotten bois

gottem*

thicis tho

kinda thic 😳

[quaint rivet]

Redis was not the Impostor
1 impostor remains...

[inland wolf]

thicgres

thighsql

LMAO

for mysql

THIGHSQL

I'm hilarious

wouldn't u agree?

[rough sapphire]

Ghost ping was an Imposter

[inland wolf]

bru

[tribal aurora]

here

[quaint rivet]

no u stay here

[tribal aurora]

://

[rough sapphire]

hi

[quaint rivet]

i use mint

[tribal aurora]

what

:[]

[quaint rivet]

Linux Mint

[tribal aurora]

ik

[quaint rivet]

do u have a problem sir

🙂

[tribal aurora]

😂

didn't know

mint...

nope

not me

[quaint rivet]

hm?

[tribal aurora]

I'm not fan of mint

Manjaro or Kubuntu

both of them

[quaint rivet]

where are they??

[tribal aurora]

but still Kubuntu is winner

where are they??
:/

wdym

[quaint rivet]

the ones who asked for your opinion??

🙂

grr

[quick ledge]

lol

[tribal aurora]

lol

[whole socket]

I've been doing a bunch of discord bot work lately and started cleaning my files up into individual cogs anyone know of a good place to share those for people who may want them

[sour forge]

pastebin?

[whole socket]

I may be looking at it wrong but that looks more like for hosting the files I was meaning like a thingiverse type thing for sharing

[quaint rivet]

github?

[inland wolf]

BlackBerry messenger

[sour forge]

I may be looking at it wrong but that looks more like for hosting the files I was meaning like a thingiverse type thing for sharing
@whole socket that was meant as a joke. You could create a new github repo specifically for this stuff. You could also use github gists.

[whole socket]

lmao ok

I did end up creating a github repo with it

[sour forge]

yeah that's the best course of action, since you can have a large number of files there. Github gists get unmanageable pretty soon

[young shoal]

link your github!

[sour forge]

@young shoal i think they linked it in #760857070781071431

[young shoal]

o thanks

[grizzled parcel]

any don'ts for the github username? replacing old one that had a very... special name
ideally it would be a resume piece of sorts

is there a time when short is not better? my name is available w easy subsitution

[quick bay]

whats the difference between an idle and an ide

[undone berry]

idle is just the editor that comes bundled with python - it's a specific program

and IDE is an integrated development environment

[quick bay]

ohh

the ide has to translate from one language to the other and idle just compilees directly to python?

[high verge]

no

an ide is a text editor which can also compile or run your program

IDLE is the name of an IDE, the one which comes with python

[quick bay]

ohhh

[whole socket]

@grizzled parcel I used my first initial and last name for mine, is simple and formal and fitting if your using it for resume things

[grizzled parcel]

my first initial is i, so that ends up looking really funny

i opted for isaec

ae is same as aa lol

[whole socket]

nice

[rough sapphire]

One of my funnier moments?

[bleak lintel]

lmfao

[grizzled parcel]

lmao

one better if its just a photo of your computer turned off and you just said i have a problem with my code

[whole socket]

lmao

nah send a photo of code written out on paper

and ask why it won't run

[grizzled parcel]

i made the mistake of helping someone who couldnt figure out how to open a help channel open a help channel

it was that

[whole socket]

that's pretty good

[rough sapphire]

In another community we literally had this one.

That is what prompted the joke

[grizzled parcel]

it would be possible to help with that

[lone verge]

😭

[rough sapphire]

There is more tolerance for that on some platforms than others. I've noticed in Facebook groups people will take pictures of their code and people will help and no one will even mention pastedump.

In some of my open source circles though, like on Matrix and freenode, you would get chewed out for even having a a legible screen shot

[grizzled parcel]

yeah, i mean it makes sense

its easier to copy paste then take a photo

[rough sapphire]

No thank you.

[small fossil]

wtf

[grizzled parcel]

i liked that

[old solstice]

liked what

lmfao

[grizzled parcel]

it was nice

[rough sapphire]

There are logs, you'll get banned for that.

[old solstice]

But it is off topic

ik

[rough sapphire]

Right now someone is looking at what you posted and deciding if you should get banned.

[old solstice]

Already got warned bois

for trying to make a career

in getting free robux

lmfao

[rough sapphire]

Anyway, off topic isnt obnoxious imagery dumping ground.

I have a friend whose IP got banned from facebook because he wont quit posting weird stuff that he thinks people need to see. Not necessarily porn or gore, but just weird stuff that is gross.

[grizzled parcel]

IP bans are dumb

[rough sapphire]

And he literally got banned for it. Now he has to log into fake accounts with a proxy so that he can continue to share weird images on facebook

Whats even more dumb is sharing stuff on a platform that doesnt want you to do it.

[grizzled parcel]

yeah

[rough sapphire]

So yeah, him and people like him, they form in these groups where the people who join agree and promise not to report each other.

And they post weird things that if anyone decides to report them they get ip banned.

And I'm just like, "THERE IS OTHER PLACES ON THE INTERNET"

So like now he has to login from m.facebook.com after having multiple accounts shut down, the only way he caan maaintain an account is to only access through that

I dont understand why he puts that much effort into it

[grizzled parcel]

wireguard is cheap and easy for ip spoofing

[rough sapphire]

Theres a lot of solutions I dont think we should get into because specifics about how to break a companies TOS arent allowed here

But the point is

Why.

[grizzled parcel]

yeah i picked up on the TOS thing

i asked a question that was within tos but set off alarm bells

[rough sapphire]

I think with my friend, he derives some type of pleasaure in grossing people out.

And I ended up telling him that becaause of that, he deserves to get banned.

I even found him places online where he could share this stuff with people who want to see it.

But that wasnt good enough for him

He wants regular people who might not have expected it to see it

[grizzled parcel]

weird

[rough sapphire]

i agree

Hes my friend but he does aa weird thing online imo

[grizzled parcel]

any thoughts about moving my code to vultr? pinstaller or download from git

also the dude who sent that gif @ all the mods

he is trying to be banned

[young shoal]

you can actually @ the moderator role

only if it's urgent though

@grizzled parcel

[grizzled parcel]

oh i was not trying

i found it funny he did

not worth yalls time lol

[young shoal]

yeah that guy ended up getting banned

[grizzled parcel]

he said the words
please ban me
not really suprised

[balmy stream]

Hold on a sec

Why is there a channel named after Wilson Fisk

[quaint rivet]

Oh shit

ur arch enemy

😡

[balmy stream]

Yea

We'll meet soon, Fisk

Whoever you are

We'll boss fight

[quaint rivet]

Daredevil will beat his ass too

[balmy stream]

#BanFisk

[quaint rivet]

he's mod tho...

[balmy stream]

It was a joke lmao

[quaint rivet]

if he sees this

you're gone

[balmy stream]

He's an admin

[quaint rivet]

yep

gone

[balmy stream]

you're gone
@quaint rivet I'm your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man

I can save this city

By sending Fisk to the prison

[quick bay]

spydey dont push your luck

[balmy stream]

spydey dont push your luck
@quick bay I have to

That's what a hero does

[quick bay]

youve pushed it a few times. litterally yesterday with joe

[quaint rivet]

if u said this #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval things would have been different

[quick bay]

or two days ago

[balmy stream]

When

[quick bay]

all the days blend into one

[balmy stream]

youve pushed it a few times. litterally yesterday with joe
@quick bay when

[quick bay]

i dont remeber

but something

[balmy stream]

Something what

Broooo

My curiosity is killing me

Tell me when

[quaint rivet]

a few days ago

[balmy stream]

What'd I say then

[quaint rivet]

all days blend into one

idk I was quoting him

heh

[balmy stream]

Bruh

Where's he

[quaint rivet]

he's gone

you're next

😐

[balmy stream]

He'shopefully here

Hehe

[quaint rivet]

u spelt it wrong

[balmy stream]

He spelt it wrong

[quaint rivet]

no u did it

[balmy stream]

no u

[quaint rivet]

because if that's the case

even u spelt ur Nick wrong

🤨

[balmy stream]

No

[quaint rivet]

it should be Spidey

not SpyDey

[balmy stream]

sPydey

Get it?

[quick bay]

my name is a joke off of my last name.

[quaint rivet]

is ur last name hopper?

[quick bay]

no

[balmy stream]

It's Spidey in teenserv tho

my name is a joke off of my last name.
@quick bay Hoe?

Hehe

[quick bay]

no

[quaint rivet]

bruh

u just called him hoe

😐

[balmy stream]

Homelander?

[quick bay]

nope

[quaint rivet]

Homeland Security

drop the gun

rn

[balmy stream]

Hotel?

Trivago.

[quaint rivet]

Trivago?

lmao

[balmy stream]

Holup?

Hillary?

[quaint rivet]

What if they don't wanna tell it

don't pry

[balmy stream]

Hottie?

Hehe

Harem

[quaint rivet]

their last name is Hoop

because their first name is Hula

[balmy stream]

No it's fully

[quaint rivet]

:))

[balmy stream]

Fack you

Nice one

[quaint rivet]

lmao

tf was that

[balmy stream]

Fack

By Eminem

[quaint rivet]

No

fack you

[balmy stream]

You should play insane by Eminem

On your home theatre

Around you family

Your*

[quaint rivet]

funny of you

to assume

I have a family

🙂

[balmy stream]

You have one

[quaint rivet]

But not you

Uncle Ben is dead

[balmy stream]

They just didn't want you

[quaint rivet]

🤣

[balmy stream]

Uncle Ben is dead
@quaint rivet I have MJ 😎😎

And Gwen Stacy

2 girls 1 male chicken

[quaint rivet]

Gwen dies

Harry marries MJ

[balmy stream]

So what?

[quaint rivet]

you are left alone

[balmy stream]

unzips

[quaint rivet]

TF

[balmy stream]

Harry marries MJ
@quaint rivet no

I marry mj

But I kill her

Cause I don't know

My chika-chika is radioactive too

I don't remember the number, but that's what actually happens, written by Stan Lee in a comic

[quaint rivet]

where are they??

[balmy stream]

Who?

[quaint rivet]

the ones who fuckin asked??

😎

[balmy stream]

dead

[Sigh] unzips

[quaint rivet]

dude

wtf

[balmy stream]

Hi kids

[quaint rivet]

😐

[young shoal]

spydey, that's not appropriate

[balmy stream]

Yea kid

It's a sub

r/sighunzips

smh

that was close

@young shoal does your nick actually work?

[young shoal]

what lang do you think it is

[balmy stream]

Java?

[young shoal]

strike 1

[balmy stream]

Not C# right?

[young shoal]

nope

[quaint rivet]

strike 2

[balmy stream]

Yo what lang uses public static other than these 2

I think it's C#

[young shoal]

it has like, 4 langs in it

[balmy stream]

Yea

2

[young shoal]

eh, at least 3

[balmy stream]

C# has everything except the func and ->

Yea 3

Everything except python

[young shoal]

void is lowercase in C#

[balmy stream]

On a python serv

Wait

-> is pythonic

[young shoal]

not really

[balmy stream]

Aw fack

[young shoal]

async def from python

[balmy stream]

def a() -> bool

->

[young shoal]

that exists in other langs too ya know

[balmy stream]

Yes

But it could be considered pythonic

[young shoal]

spaces are pythonc

if statements are pythonic

for each loops are pythonic

colons are pythonic

[balmy stream]

Bruh

I meant like

[young shoal]

just sayin ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy stream]

Nvm

They could

[young shoal]

pythonicness is talking about the idioms

[balmy stream]

Just the way you considered/used -> from other lang(s)

The probability is between 0 and 1 (exclusive)

$$P(\text{-> is Pythonic}) \in (0, 1)$$

[young shoal]

nice

[balmy stream]

Made it better

[quaint rivet]

[balmy stream]

Just a sec

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744215544676221072/762788030511054878/564400770187919360.png

This is what the TeXit bot returned smh

How did > become ¿?

[balmy stream]

The fack

@young shoal https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/490315911044136961/762791194475888680/output.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/490315911044136961/762791194475888680/output.png

The fack 2x

[hoary steppe]

void cancer

[balmy stream]

@young shoal ^

Bruh vest

[hoary steppe]

the void piublciicsd shot

shit

glad python was born without vbopgo vpoid thingy

[balmy stream]

What

Are you high

[hoary steppe]

the void thiingy

[balmy stream]

What void thingy

[hoary steppe]

public svod{}

that thing

u can to writer thatt thing everytime in java or c# or something

[young shoal]

???

[versed saffron]

I stg

System.out.print_

every

time

that's like 2 more words than necessary

[stark prawn]

You mean the return type vest?

[narrow pecan]

(That’s the fake vest)

[stark prawn]

Yes, ofcourse @narrow pecan is the only genuine gucci brand vest.

[young shoal]

that's like 2 more words than necessary
@versed saffron just do sout + tab

[versed saffron]

no :(

[young shoal]

?

[versed saffron]

then i won't have anything to bitch about

[young shoal]

bruh

[versed saffron]

like I don't mind it as much but there're still some things that turn me off from it

[young shoal]

sout + tab is technically less keypresses than print()

[rough sapphire]

do psvm + tab to create @young shoal

oh wait he cahanged his name

[young shoal]

afpsv

but yeah, most ide have stuff to reduce the boilerplate

they can generate getters and setters and stuff for you

[stark prawn]

__m + tab =

if __name__ == "__main__":

[young shoal]

huh, i always used main + tab in pycharm

[stark prawn]

vscode has so many plugins avaiable that over different boilerplate and stuff aswell

[young shoal]

of course

[stark prawn]

apperantly just _ + enter already inserts

if __name__ == "__main__":
    pass``` for me

[young shoal]

vscode?

[stark prawn]

yeah

[young shoal]

huh

idk if i'd like that

[stark prawn]

I imagine it ranks them based on how much you use them?

[young shoal]

what about init?

i imagine intellisense has some sort of AI going on

[stark prawn]

No init autocomplete outside of classes it seems

[young shoal]

makes sense

[rough sapphire]

I don't believe theres dunder init autocomplete even inside the classes

Well, in the case that it is present, I've haven't been using vsc to its full potential 👅

[rough sapphire]

wow

[stark prawn]

Not untill the i it seems 😦

[rough sapphire]

Wish it added in the self and all that

[young shoal]

by default pycharm adds the self to all the methods

[graceful basin]

Pycharm will suggest dunders if you just type the name without the underscores

[young shoal]

oh duh, should have realized that

[stark prawn]

that's neat

[rough sapphire]

No autocomplete for other dunders 👅

[young shoal]

pycharm 😍

[graceful basin]

There are also a bunch of shorthands, like .par to parenthesise expression, main to create the main guard, .not to prepend not...

[young shoal]

right

for the c-style loops in other langs, you can do fori for for iter loops

[narrow pecan]

@rough sapphire what color scheme is that?

[rough sapphire]

mm

palenight

[young shoal]

mmmmmmm

[narrow pecan]

Thanks. Might be worth checking out

[rough sapphire]

I keep changing the colour themes

Cluttering my extensions has never been this easy

[young shoal]

monokai >> literally any other theme

[narrow pecan]

Ahhahah

[rough sapphire]

really love one dark pro

Keep coming back to it

[versed saffron]

monokai looks sick I've just been using darcula

[young shoal]

darcula is pretty good, but monokai is just better

[versed saffron]

I just recently switched to pycharm after spyder/anaconda proved it self to be a pain

But honestly it's probably my favorite ide so far

[young shoal]

i like it

[versed saffron]

or just jetbrains stuff in general

like my prof wanted us to use eclipse but it's kinda bad imo

[young shoal]

for real

[stark prawn]

I'm not really sure i'd spend that kind of money for a colour scheme tbh

[young shoal]

eclipse is cringe

[stark prawn]

I didn't even know you could use eclipse for not java.

[young shoal]

me neither

[versed saffron]

eclipse looks like it hasn't been updated in like 8 years

it was for java

[young shoal]

it's ok though

[versed saffron]

but ik there's a c++ eclipse

[young shoal]

it has everything you need

[versed saffron]

except for apperances

actually trash pandas is kind of lit too

[quick bay]

i run python in eclipse

[hoary steppe]

coders code in notepad

default windows notepad

[rough sapphire]

notepad++ > all

[hoary steppe]

n0

[rough sapphire]

y3s

[hoary steppe]

actually

sticky notes > all

[rough sapphire]

actually

discord markdown > all

[hoary steppe]

nah

[waxen finch]

best code is write on napkin

[hoary steppe]

code in cmds

[rough sapphire]

code in idle

idle better than all

[quaint rivet]

nah

code in brain

best code

:)

[rough sapphire]

code in nocode

no stress at all

brainfuck is the best language

[blissful moth]

yes

[hallow aurora]

why are the mods goldfish

[frozen crane]

@hallow aurora they're a snack that smiles back

[boreal swift]

[hallow aurora]

why is the only word that came up to my mind "vore"

am i just weird

[frozen crane]

@hallow aurora "The snack that smiles back!" Children

[hallow aurora]

oh no

[cosmic lotus]

I like it when my snack screams

[frozen crane]

@cosmic lotus wow

[mild abyss]

code inside your mind is the best

fite me

[tranquil orchid]

code on paper

Code in ms paint

[rough sapphire]

code in ms paint with touchpad

CODE IN MS PAINT WITH MIND

[tranquil orchid]

Mind controlled ms paint 👀

[rough sapphire]

code with morse code

finally i was waiting for that to load for like two minutes

[hallow aurora]

mind control delete

[manic bloom]

LOL

I swear, who makes these otn

[mild abyss]

code with binary

I swear, who makes these otn
@manic bloom random peeps but mostly mods and admins

[manic bloom]

ik

but the-mods-are-goldfish

where did that even come from

[frozen crane]

@manic bloom they're mostly inside jokes with the staff. Joe mentioned that he doesn't remember the context for this one.

[manic bloom]

ok

[frozen crane]

I'm not able to add new names to the pool but if I could, I would add python-object-oriented-programming

[cosmic lotus]

Did someone say code with paint?

https://youtu.be/FvS_DG8yIqQ

[plucky ridge]

Dear god

[cosmic lotus]

God indeed

[plucky ridge]

Elder god maybe

[rough sapphire]

oh boy

this is an avengers level threat

[sour forge]

i dont understand. What happened in the video?

[cosmic lotus]

He's coding by putting pre-determined colors in the image, which then he converts to .raw then converted to assembly code that runs the program

[sour forge]

what was that weird tunnel thing at the end then?

[cosmic lotus]

that was the program made from compiling the pixels

[rich rover]

Apparently, you can fit snake game into a QR code

[manic bloom]

ye

[cosmic lotus]

its a pretty big qr code tho

[rich rover]

You also need special readers

For your pc

[cosmic lotus]

it would be a better fit on a base64 string

[rich rover]

Lol

It has to be coded in assembly though

[cosmic lotus]

nah you can do it in any language

[rich rover]

Also windows rounds up any decimal above 2.3 in storage one unit above

So

2.4 Kb

Is 3 Kb

Very very tricky to fit on the largest QR code available

[cosmic lotus]

the demoscene guys would be good at this

they're fitting full 3d movie demos in 4kb

[rich rover]

Oh damn

Is that even possible?

The resolution must be really shit

[cosmic lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB0vBmiTr6o

[rich rover]

Oh, I see how they did it

That's really smart

[rough sapphire]

For starting in hacking do you need a good PC?

I say so because I have a laptop with 4 GB ram and a CPU of 2 cores 4 threads at 1.7ghz, and I don't think I could create my own hacking enviroment in virtualmachines, most of the books I have seen use virtual machines but I can't have one.

Don't know if this helps but I have a desktop computer, with almost the same specifications, but with a faster CPU.

[knotty mirage]

THE MODS ARE GOLDFISH

[thick birch]

@rough sapphire u need a few more gigs of ram and quite a powerful cpu afaik
idk about a gpu since u can also just run CLI linux distros that u can try cracking or just testing diff stuff
hell if u go with cli distros might not even need more than 2-4 gigs (taking a margin of error into account) per VM

also let s say ur main machine is a linux (so it runs the linux kernel) u can spawn lightweight linux distros through docker containers

[rough sapphire]

I was thinking of making dualboot between my main system an kali linux

I have a desktop pc

Can't attack a virtual machine in it? let's say metasploit in my desktop pc and kali in my laptop?

Or it's dangerous to let metasploit connected to the internet.

[thick birch]

wwhy do u wanna learn kali linux in particular? first u should choose an easy distro an get familiar with linux altogether and then move to that

nah not dangerous, i mean just make sure u try to take the most amount of precautions and read documentation before acting

[rough sapphire]

Now I'm using Manjaro (Arch linux distro)

Maybe learn more about the terminal, but I have been studying python for the past week to not become a script kiddie.

[tribal aurora]

hi

[rough sapphire]

Hi @tribal aurora

[tribal aurora]

hey

how you doin

oh

you're using manjaro?

huh

what a coincidence

I was going to ask this question 😄

@rough sapphire Is Manjaro good?

[eternal wing]

howdy again

[tribal aurora]

how long are you using it?

[eternal wing]

I use arch btw

[tribal aurora]

😂

ok

how much ram your system uses when idling?

[rough sapphire]

600 - 700 mb I think

[tribal aurora]

wow

That's weird because my system uses 1.2 GB at start up .

[eternal wing]

nice and lightweight

manjaro is nice tbh

also: nice snake

[rough sapphire]

Nice dog

[tribal aurora]

manjaro is nice tbh
how much ram..?

[eternal wing]

great hat

haha

[graceful basin]

manjaro is about as light as you get without going for straight up minimalism with arch

[eternal wing]

idk I dont use manjaro, pretty lightweight doe. any particular reason you are asking?

[tribal aurora]

how much ram on arch?

[eternal wing]

you know what, since we are on the topic:

Do you guys think I should put manjaro or arch on my laptop? I use arch with plasma

[tribal aurora]

both idling and startup

[eternal wing]

how much ram on arch?
idk, I have not checked, not a lot

[graceful basin]

I would say arch

[solid pollen]

Depends on your free time tbh haha

[tribal aurora]

arch

[eternal wing]

I have all the free time

[solid pollen]

Well, arch then

choose to the suffering pit

[graceful basin]

the most annoying part is setting up partitions

[eternal wing]

and ill just @ you, akarys, if I have any issues LOL

[solid pollen]

Haha

[tribal aurora]

definitely go for Arch

[graceful basin]

everything else is just copy pasting commnands

[rough sapphire]

I tried to use arch but

[eternal wing]

yeah, my arch install was annoying because it took me like 4 hours to figure out what was wrong with my network (would not connect to wifi)

[rough sapphire]

It's to complex, I liked manjaro auto-install

[graceful basin]

oh yeah, that was also a pita

[eternal wing]

then I installed kde plasma and it somehow fixed the issue... which made me more upset xD

[solid pollen]

Lemme guess, resolv.conf not set?

[eternal wing]

to this day I do not know how that fixed it

[rough sapphire]

I managed to create the partitions, install QTile

[eternal wing]

honestly no idea 🤷

[graceful basin]

I used endeavoros last I installed arch

[tribal aurora]

😂

[eternal wing]

it just works

[rough sapphire]

But I had an error and returned to Manjaro ;D

[graceful basin]

since I do not really want anything but arch, but am too lazy to type all the commands out

[tribal aurora]

Guys would you use kubuntu or Manjaro

rolling release or Fixed release

[eternal wing]

manjaro

[graceful basin]

rolling

[solid pollen]

Manjaro

[tribal aurora]

hmm

[eternal wing]

I mean, cmon xD

[graceful basin]

I like latest software

[tribal aurora]

gang

😂

[solid pollen]

You are with 3 people from the manjaro gang

[eternal wing]

lolol

[tribal aurora]

bah, you're slow

😂

[eternal wing]

I use ubuntu for server

[tribal aurora]

Yes

[eternal wing]

but like, not for desktop

[graceful basin]

kubuntu is definitely better for servers and beginners though

[tribal aurora]

All people use Ubuntu as a server because it's stable

[eternal wing]

headless ubuntu lel

[solid pollen]

Arch for a server would be just paaiiin

[graceful basin]

rolling releases are inherintly unstable and error prone

[eternal wing]

my coworker uses arch for server and idk why

that sounds like weekly heart attacks

[tribal aurora]

😂

[eternal wing]

I might reset my whole server, but I am scared for my nextcloud stuff haha

[graceful basin]

maybe if the server only has few packages it is more managable

[tribal aurora]

yea

[eternal wing]

true, he is exclusively using docker I think

and unraid

wait

can one have unraid and arch? this does not make sense

[solid pollen]

When typing yay -Syu you’d be like

[tribal aurora]

why?

[eternal wing]

because wtf even is unraid

[solid pollen]

Because it breaks

[tribal aurora]

:/

but.. but why

[solid pollen]

Unraid OS allows sophisticated media aficionados, gamers, and other intensive data-users to have ultimate control over their data, media, applications, and desktops, using just about any combination of hardware.

Uh

[eternal wing]

idek

[solid pollen]

Because Arch is known to randomly break on updates

[tribal aurora]

Would it break with pacman?

[eternal wing]

he said it was an arch system with unraid and docker, googling it i do not understand

[tribal aurora]

Because Arch is known to randomly break on updates
@solid pollen But you have the option that don't install it

[solid pollen]

How does he have two OS in one computer

[eternal wing]

exactly

[tribal aurora]

who

[solid pollen]

Or he has an unraid image running?

[eternal wing]

me thinks he may be fulleth of it

[graceful basin]

if you do not update arch why use arch

[eternal wing]

my coworker haha

[tribal aurora]

if you do not update arch why use arch
@graceful basin but you don't have to update it

[eternal wing]

I want to put arch on my laptop, but have approx 0% motivation

[solid pollen]

Understanding coworkers is way harder than installing Arch smh

Use manjaro then?

Y’know, graphical installers and such

[eternal wing]

well, I have the time, just generally no motivation. let alone for manjaro xD

the mistake I made last time was waiting to install the desktop, I shoulda done that immediately

[tribal aurora]

@solid pollen your os?

[solid pollen]

Manjaro, and very rarely windows

[tribal aurora]

ah

[solid pollen]

!remind @eternal wing 5d Take care of your poor computer!

[royal lake]

No problem.

Your reminder will arrive in 5 days and will mention 1 other(s)!

ID: 581, Due: 2020-10-11T07:52:42

[eternal wing]

good reminder xD

[solid pollen]

I’ll give you the motivation

[tribal aurora]

You know I'm very new to linux so I use windows and Manjaro/Kubuntu most on windows

[eternal wing]

I just need two cups of coffee and a hug and i'll be good to go. LOL

[tribal aurora]

I can't figure it out

Why vscode won't work in Manjaro

I can't login my account

[eternal wing]

I mostly use windows tbh xD

[tribal aurora]

me too

but I'm trying to switch

[eternal wing]

cant log in to acc for vscode? that is odd

[tribal aurora]

yes

[solid pollen]

It works fine for me

[eternal wing]

microsoft acc I guess?

[tribal aurora]

😕

[eternal wing]

ewwww akarys uses vscode

I feel like this is news to me

[tribal aurora]

I don't know

:/

[eternal wing]

solution: use pycharm xD

[tribal aurora]

Vscode is best

[solid pollen]

Nah, I don’t haha

[eternal wing]

also: im jk, vscode is pretty nice

[solid pollen]

I just has something to test

I use PC (PyCharm)

[eternal wing]

I used it for webdev before pycharm pro

[tribal aurora]

akrays, how did you install vscode?

I tried to install it with (pacman, pamac, yay)

[solid pollen]

I have the pro edition, because student

[tribal aurora]

But with them I couldn't even connect to the internet

[solid pollen]

yay -S code ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eternal wing]

I have the pro edition, because student
I have it for like another year xD

[tribal aurora]

but with snap I can connect to the internet but I can't login

[eternal wing]

well, then I can get open source license ez

[solid pollen]

But uhhhh, you aren’t a student?

Snaps are really meh

[tribal aurora]

I posted a bug on microsoft/vscode

[eternal wing]

Im technically still a student at my school.

I will not graduate until this december xD

[tribal aurora]

Snaps are really meh
why

[eternal wing]

even though I finished most of my classes like a year and a half ago LOL

snap == trash

[tribal aurora]

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/108116

here

[solid pollen]

Ah, alright

[tribal aurora]

why snap is trash

[eternal wing]

because I used it once and it did not work very well LOL

[solid pollen]

Snaps lacks of security, maintainability, ease to use, and take up all your loopback devices

[quaint rivet]

^

[tribal aurora]

yo

how you doin

[quaint rivet]

also more memory usage than normal apps

[tribal aurora]

then Thunder came...

[eternal wing]

flash

its that time of the night I see (where I realize I should have been alseep like an hour ago)

[tribal aurora]

And made all people in this channel switch to Mint with 3

😂

[solid pollen]

no

Just... no

[quaint rivet]

huh?

[tribal aurora]

I'm not fan of mint

just Kubuntu and Manjaro

but vscode won't work on Manjaro so Kubuntu > Manjaro

[solid pollen]

It will

[tribal aurora]

@solid pollen you said loging work?

oh

[solid pollen]

Yes

[tribal aurora]

so

mine won't

[solid pollen]

You just misconfigured it

Have you been using linux before?

If not, kubuntu would be a better choice anyway

[tribal aurora]

;look

I'm installing vscode

oh

[eternal wing]

like a rolling stone update

[eternal wing]

I like bob dylan xD

[tribal aurora]

vscode can't connect internet

[solid pollen]

like a rolling stone update
@eternal wing oh no

Can you try to run it as superuser?

[tribal aurora]

can't login

[eternal wing]

lol, that is the "is it plugged in" of linux

[tribal aurora]

Can you try to run it as superuser?
@solid pollen wait

nope

ops

bad pic

hmm

What's the problem?

code version: 1.49.1

[solid pollen]

Well, try to remove code and use this one

https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/visual-studio-code-bin/

[tribal aurora]

what is this?

I don't know how to use it

[eternal wing]

upon google: it is often linked to DNS issue

[solid pollen]

The MS provided version

[rough sapphire]

there is vscodium which removes telemetry

[solid pollen]

Well, I’m assuming you can access internet through other apps?

[rough sapphire]

never installed it but that's what they say

[tribal aurora]

yes

I can

what to do with link

git clone https://aur.archlinux.org/visual-studio-code-bin.git?

[rough sapphire]

It's the aur package name

[eternal wing]

https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/78783 found this one

[rough sapphire]

yay -S visual-studio-code-bin

[eternal wing]

Well, I’m assuming you can access internet through other apps?
they installed the package xD

does not hurt to ping google.com

[solid pollen]

True haha

nslookup would make more sense here

[tribal aurora]

lemme remove it

[eternal wing]

shhhh, we don't need your logic and thinking things through. lololol

[solid pollen]

Haha

[tribal aurora]

what to do

[solid pollen]

Enter

[tribal aurora]

what are they

1, 2, 3

[rough sapphire]

1 - None

2 - All

[tribal aurora]

ik

[solid pollen]

It is asking you if you want to read the PKGBUILD file

[tribal aurora]

but what is none for

[solid pollen]

Don’t read it

[tribal aurora]

It is asking you if you want to read the PKGBUILD file
@solid pollen what hell is even this

anyway I pressed enter

[solid pollen]

It is the file that is executed when installing a package

[tribal aurora]

so AUR right?

[rough sapphire]

|| will you able to understand it 👀 ||

[solid pollen]

Basically, an AUR package is just a git remote, with any number of files (with some specific ones, such LICENSE, but not mandatory), and a PKGBUILD file

[tribal aurora]

Once I deleted all my cache files just because hit enter 2 times

:/

[solid pollen]

When an AUR package is installed, you clone the remote and simply run the PKGBUILD

[tribal aurora]

mhm

[solid pollen]

I mean, you entered the command first haha

[tribal aurora]

but why mine is broken

you said you installed it with

yay -S code

I did the same thing

but didn't work

why

[rough sapphire]

it worked for me....

[tribal aurora]

I mean, you entered the command first haha
@solid pollen Indeed you told me that command

:|

[solid pollen]

You asked for it

[rough sapphire]

for removing cache?

[tribal aurora]

nope

[solid pollen]

For instance, here is the PKGBUILD of vscode https://aur.archlinux.org/cgit/aur.git/tree/PKGBUILD?h=visual-studio-code-bin

Well, yes

You asked me to remove everything related to vsc

[tribal aurora]

I just asked for completely deleting vscode

yea

and he told me sudo pacman -Rc

[solid pollen]

And there was a cache entry for it

[tribal aurora]

then Boom

everything deleted

[solid pollen]

And now the cache is gone

So everything’s removed

[rough sapphire]

its ok your cache will fill up again haha

[tribal aurora]

yea

But it takes more time :/

[solid pollen]

That’s not a big deal anyway, and you should delete your cache somewhat often

[rough sapphire]

I do when I feel bored

[solid pollen]

It won’t take any more time for new packages though

Except if you ran a local aur mirror

[tribal aurora]

your justification sucks btw

That’s not a big deal anyway, and you should delete your cache somewhat often
specially this one

[rough sapphire]

its not...

[quaint rivet]

he's not wrong wym

[rough sapphire]

if you have a 30gb installation size and you have 5gb of useless cache

will you delete it?

[tribal aurora]

WOW

IT WORKED

[topaz aurora]

I clear out my cache like, every other day

[tribal aurora]

anyways

[eternal wing]

now say "thank you akarys" haha

[tribal aurora]

vscode is working

[eternal wing]

awesome

[tribal aurora]

THANKS

dude

[eternal wing]

you can code haha

[rough sapphire]

yeah code .

[tribal aurora]

I can code with code

[quaint rivet]

[rough sapphire]

are you a cat lover?

[quaint rivet]

me?

[tribal aurora]

he's a bear lover

[rough sapphire]

yes

[tribal aurora]

So

what was the solution?

[quaint rivet]

I have dog pfp

[tribal aurora]

using AUR?

[rough sapphire]

the one you installed previous was not the official one

this new one is the offical package

[tribal aurora]

so what was that

where did you get it

how can I search for official packages?

[rough sapphire]

search in the aur search box

[tribal aurora]

hm?

where is it

why yours work if it's not official

[rough sapphire]

idk really why it works

but the important thing is it works!!!

haha

[tribal aurora]

haha

answer this questions

[solid pollen]

AUR packages are never officials

[tribal aurora]

where did you get it

[quaint rivet]

yep

[tribal aurora]

how can I search for official packages?

AUR packages are never officials
@solid pollen what is offical

pacman?

[rough sapphire]

not all packages can be installed using pacman

[tribal aurora]

so yay?

is yay official?

wait where did you get that link?

[solid pollen]

No, core, extra and communities are official

[quaint rivet]

[solid pollen]

yay is just connecting to repos

And the AUR is one of them

[tribal aurora]

core?

core -S?

[solid pollen]

Yes, those are 3 official repos

No

[tribal aurora]

what are you talking about

[rough sapphire]

do a yay -Syuu

[tribal aurora]

how can I search for that link

I mean where

[solid pollen]

https://www.archlinux.org/packages/

Look at the repo line on the left

[rough sapphire]

when you do an install it will look in those databases

if it is present

[tribal aurora]

what if it is available in both core and extra?

which one it will choose?

how can I choose it manually?

[rough sapphire]

it will display that

and you will type a number

[tribal aurora]

hmm

like that one?

@solid pollen you searched that from here?