ot1-perplexing-regexing

[rough sapphire]

@edgy crest try European servers

[unique warren]

Asian servers are always trash

[rough sapphire]

Honestly

[unique warren]

Try North American or EU

[rough sapphire]

US, EU and Asian servers all of em are full of indonesians

and overall Asians

[unique warren]

Wtf

[rough sapphire]

You can't help it, they conqueror every game literally

[unique warren]

Dude they will spoil the game.

[rough sapphire]

Just like turks rule the mobile gaming

[edgy crest]

ok

[rough sapphire]

They do

[unique warren]

Especially Koreans.

[rough sapphire]

And you can't help it honestly...

The most common people I come across are Indonesians

[unique warren]

Is Mobile app and win app different?

[rough sapphire]

I think so

Not sure

[unique warren]

I hope so

[rough sapphire]

Lmao yea

[edgy crest]

i think overall the game is unique, and could be fun if the server's people are not trash

sorry

[rough sapphire]

it's ok

[junior leaf]

👀

welp i'm an indian who likes to ruin games in among us and after reading this convo i feel kinda guilty

[rough sapphire]

You should...

[junior leaf]

i always go for red

my name is literally Red sus

[rough sapphire]

I made an exploit in c++ and i honestly kinda regret for ruining the gameplay of others

Oof

[junior leaf]

oof

so the game's in cpp?

[rough sapphire]

No

Idk

[junior leaf]

huh so what were you talking abt

seems like i dint get it

[rough sapphire]

Creating an exploit, hacks

you know...

[junior leaf]

yea but you were talking abt among us right?

[rough sapphire]

Yes

[edgy crest]

hmm, weird, i made people feel guilty about themselves

[rough sapphire]

lol speed hack, unlimited kills

talk to ghosts

that's the most fun one

[edgy crest]

did you code it yourself
?

[rough sapphire]

so the game's in cpp?
@junior leaf c#, it's made in unity

[junior leaf]

hmm

[rough sapphire]

u ever just send fake data back to the server

[dusky orchid]

!warn 758346959894478900 We don't discuss game exploits here.

[royal lake]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @rough sapphire.

[rough sapphire]

Sorry-

[edgy crest]

whats the difference in admin and owner?

[young shoal]

permission wise, nothing

they have different responsibilities though

[sand inlet]

@last pilot nevermind, i was wrong, it does actually make it slower

but either way it's less than a hundredth of a second (on my computer)

[dusky orchid]

https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/463035241142026251/758031994134462637
@edgy crest

[edgy crest]

oki

[last pilot]

Ok

[edgy crest]

lol ok i got it, and that guy pinged the mods and admins

[simple sand]

@wispy portal

@stuck meteor

[wispy portal]

yes

[stuck meteor]

Dude, it was not off-topic

[simple sand]

yes so u want it to run on start up

[wispy portal]

yep

[simple sand]

ye u could use .bat for that

[wispy portal]

i add the bat file to startup folder?

[stuck meteor]

btw , you don't need to run it on background? @wispy portal

[wispy portal]

look what i meant was the program shud automatically start when i turn on my pc

[stuck meteor]

then it's alright with .bat

[wispy portal]

instead of me running it manually

k

[simple sand]

u have to write a bat script and your python fiile will be inside of your bat file and then u go to task manager and then set it up so that every time u open your pc it will run

ask hemlock when he becomes online

[stuck meteor]

what do you mean by "python file inside"

[wispy portal]

so the bat file contains start pythonfile.py?

[stuck meteor]

you mean start "file.py" inside the batch file?

[simple sand]

yes

kinda like that

[wispy portal]

oh i need the " "?

[simple sand]

if u run the bat file the python file will run

[stuck meteor]

only if u have whitespaces in the name

[wispy portal]

k

[simple sand]

u need a bat script

[stuck meteor]

but its good practice to put them anyways

[wispy portal]

ok what shud i do after i create the bat file?

[simple sand]

oh hemlock is here

ask him @plucky ridge if u are free could u help him

[stuck meteor]

just add it to startup?

[plucky ridge]

What'd I do?

[simple sand]

oh remember when u helped me run a python automatically on startup

he needs help with something like that

[plucky ridge]

Scrolling up

[simple sand]

@wispy portal go ahead tell him your prob

[stuck meteor]

reg add HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run /v "My program" /t REG_SZ /d "Path_to_the_file.bat" @wispy portal

use this on the command line

[plucky ridge]

Wait why are you having him set a registry key?

[stuck meteor]

that's for adding to startup

[simple sand]

no

[plucky ridge]

That's not needed

[simple sand]

u do it by task manager

[wispy portal]

ye i basically want to run a python fiile automatically every time i turn on my pc

instead of me running it via cmd manually

[stuck meteor]

well, if you add it to task manager it's automatically going into the registry

[plucky ridge]

Hit CTRL+SHIFT+ESC to open up the task manager

[stuck meteor]

so that's the same thing

[plucky ridge]

Except it's less prone to potential errors

[simple sand]

he also dosent have a bat file

[plucky ridge]

So there's literally no reason to make someone do a registry change via cmd

It's potentially harmful to the system if done wrong and really not a wise suggestion period

[wispy portal]

he also dosent have a bat file
@simple sand ah ive made one

yes what shud i do in task manager

[plucky ridge]

There should be a tab that says "Startup" or something to that effect

Kind of flying blind since I'm on my Manjaro machine

[plucky ridge]

Yep, startup

Question, do you need the Python file to open up a cmd prompt?

[wispy portal]

uh no

[plucky ridge]

Change the file extension to .pyw instead.

[wispy portal]

k

[plucky ridge]

And change it accordingly in the bat file as well

[wispy portal]

.py to .pyw rught

alr

[plucky ridge]

Yeppers

[wispy portal]

wait how do i add it here tho?

[plucky ridge]

Can you take another screenshot of the Startup window?

[wispy portal]

ah sure

[plucky ridge]

Hmm, one sec

https://support.microsoft.com/en-in/help/4558286/windows-10-add-an-app-to-run-automatically-at-startup That should get you up and running

[wispy portal]

oh so i just need to add the file to startup folder

alr thanks guys 😄

[plucky ridge]

Yep!

No problem

[wispy portal]

also is it like harmful to run codes in bg?

[plucky ridge]

Not if it's code that you know or you have written

[wispy portal]

alr

[rough sapphire]

hi hemlock

[hoary steppe]

joe mama

bad meme

bad

[solid pollen]

That ain't going to help joe's DM lol

[cosmic ravine]

wow, I can be such a dummy.
yesterday soldered a contraption that feeds 9v with 100ohm resistor to a fan that'll cool my raspi 4
today looked at it an facepalmed so hard - I completely forgot that I could've just used the 3.3 / 5v pins from the pi itself to power the fan~

[young shoal]

lol

[safe bolt]

Wow

[sour forge]

Joe mama so big she got an entire ot for herself on pydis

[median aspen]

joe mama it's so big that he looks like a node_modules folder

[rough sapphire]

funny

[round rose]

joe mama it's so big that he looks like a node_modules folder
I set up @vue/cli today and can confirm, that folder is fucking enormous

[rough sapphire]

Hello, any american / canadian here for a general question ?

[manic bloom]

Hello, any american / canadian here for a general question ?
@rough sapphire we don't discriminate programmers

[fringe creek]

joe mama so big she takes more ram than pycharm

[manic bloom]

we are supposed to be better than humans, we are programmers

[rough sapphire]

what does my question have to do with discrimination i don't get it ? i hope this is a form of sarcasm

[manic bloom]

"american / canadian"

[rough sapphire]

it doesn't answer my question

[manic bloom]

bruh

whatever

[rough sapphire]

yea exactly whatever

[fringe creek]

a lot of people here are american lol whats your question

[rough sapphire]

it's about to get information on educational system there

[manic bloom]

oh ok

nvm

I'm an idiot

[rough sapphire]

want more clarification about the notion of "college" and "university" and the difference between them and which one would be better to attempt

[floral viper]

I sure as hell discriminate against some programmers. Anyone that doesn't have never worked with low wage coders.

[rough sapphire]

I'm an idiot
@manic bloom don't say that, you are not

[fringe creek]

@rough sapphire college and university are basically interchangeable, they mean the same thing, but usually university entails somewhat of a larger or more advanced institution

[manic bloom]

honestly, they're the same

[fringe creek]

so usually universities have graduate and undergraduate programs while colleges are just undergraduate

but yeah theyre basically the same

[rough sapphire]

And college are cheaper than universities right ?

[fringe creek]

not necessarily

they dont really exactly mean that universities are always better than colleges

its just that people kind of think they are

[rough sapphire]

cool, im more confused now xD

[manic bloom]

lol

[fringe creek]

american naming schemes are confusing

[manic bloom]

basically univeristy = college

it's just a naming scheme

[rough sapphire]

you can't have a simple life like Europe seriously? 😢

[manic bloom]

yes

[fringe creek]

more like university >= college

[rough sapphire]

basically univeristy = college
@manic bloom mmm

[manic bloom]

I mean americans use the legth of a hotdog rather than metric systems

[young shoal]

the length of an amputated leg

[fringe creek]

and who tf came up with the idea that a brine solution should be 0 on the temperature scale

[rough sapphire]

im planning to move to canada "as a foreign student", and it's seems like universities there are expensive as hell for foreigners, then i've heared that colleges are cheaper than universities and i still didn't find any clear topic on the net explaining the real difference between the two notions

[manic bloom]

there is no differnce

it's just that some colleges use university as their name to seem a little more pristege to charge more money

[rough sapphire]

it's just that some colleges use university as their name to seem a little more pritege to charge more money
@manic bloom wow

[manic bloom]

it's true

but most colleges use it because college doesn't fit their naming

like University of California sound better than College of California

[rough sapphire]

like University of California sound better than College of California
@manic bloom yea i got it

[fringe creek]

for example harvard college and harvard university

[rough sapphire]

so, i should be more focusing about searching programs rather than universities / colleges technically ?

[manic bloom]

yes

[fringe creek]

yeah

[rough sapphire]

i see

[narrow pecan]

@rough sapphire we have free school (including university) in Sweden

[narrow pecan]

If you’re looking for something not-as-expensive

[rough sapphire]

;(

guys

lets cry together

[austere forum]

why ?

[formal blaze]

Hello ?

What is this ?

[topaz eagle]

a virus delte fast

[formal blaze]

Lmao

No seriously

Someone told me it's shell code

Others told me it's binary

I'm confused

[rough sapphire]

Its a binary string of -something idk-

[formal blaze]

I got it from a POST request response

When I tried to .text

I got binary

Looked weird, SO i used .content

._. Is that the end of the road?

Is there a way to convert it or something ?

[topaz eagle]

anyone ever tried flipping laptops to make a buck?

[cosmic ravine]

looks like some python 'bytes' object thingy

afaik \x usually represents ascii?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[high verge]

i mean it's all ascii if you want it to be

but looking at the data it isn't human readable text in that form

it's a sequence of bytes

what did you get it from

[formal blaze]

I got it from a POST requst

As a respone

@cosmic ravine, @high verge
Hope you don't mind pinging, If yes I apologize :)

[high verge]

np

but from what

and is this in requests?

[formal blaze]

It is in requests

[high verge]

i.e. this isn't raw tcp or something

[formal blaze]

Facebook

[high verge]

right

what on facebook tho

[formal blaze]

Tried to get the latest messages

[high verge]

right

[formal blaze]

The actual response should be in json

[high verge]

does facebook use graphql or something maybe

hmm

[formal blaze]

But I get binary

YEAH !

Exactly

[high verge]

is it maybe compressed?

[formal blaze]

I'm not sure what you mean . .

[narrow pecan]

@high verge why do you have not prefix in your name?

[high verge]

cause i keep forgetting it

not a selfbot

lots of people seem to think that

[narrow pecan]

You still forget it?

Well, they say I’m a self bot, so it’s fine hahah

[formal blaze]

@high verge :Do you have any idea what should I do ?

[narrow pecan]

You should make Pizza Steve

[formal blaze]

Make what-

[narrow pecan]

I was being incredibly funny

[formal blaze]

I'm afraid that I didn't get what you mean xD

[narrow pecan]

You should make pizza, Steve

Vs

[formal blaze]

O

[narrow pecan]

You should make @formal blaze

[formal blaze]

Unholy ravioli-

That's funny ngl

Making a joke of my name >:(

Vester

Wish your name were vector

[narrow pecan]

Hahahaha

[formal blaze]

Would be easier to revenge

[narrow pecan]

Ahahah how?

[formal blaze]

https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/machine-learning-with/9781491989371/ch01.html

[manic bloom]

Where is the pizza steve? I need Pizza Steve. I told you to order pizza Steve.

[narrow pecan]

Was that the revenge?

[formal blaze]

Wait what

[narrow pecan]

Exactly

[formal blaze]

Ok you're scarying me now

[narrow pecan]

Then you don’t know what I’ll do tomorrow

(I’ll have an exam)

[formal blaze]

LMAO

[narrow pecan]

And now, I’m gonna drink some hot chocolate

[formal blaze]

I need to fix that problem so bad, Are you familiar with that ? :(

[narrow pecan]

What problem?

[formal blaze]

When I send a POST request to graphql, I get binary as a response

Instead of json

[narrow pecan]

Haven’t really used graphqll, sorry

[formal blaze]

Nor me :(

[narrow pecan]

I’ve realised that I sometimes blog my life here

Like “I’m gonna drink some hot chocolate” and “going to the supermarket to buy tortilla chips”

[formal blaze]

Been a while since I tasted it

[narrow pecan]

Hot chocolate?

[formal blaze]

Tortilla

[narrow pecan]

Aaah

[formal blaze]

I'm allergy to chocolate in general

[narrow pecan]

You’re missing out

[formal blaze]

Sad

[narrow pecan]

Oh, really?

[formal blaze]

Yeah actually dessert

They make me act like I have epilepsy

[narrow pecan]

Oh

That’s terrible

(But I guess it’s worth it hahah)

[formal blaze]

Not really, If you hate food It won't be terrible to you

[narrow pecan]

I guess

I’m just such a chocolate lover myself

[formal blaze]

How many bars can you eat in a day ?

[narrow pecan]

I’m not crazy hahaha

But I really enjoy it

[formal blaze]

I've been caught, haha

I see-

What's your favourite type ?

[narrow pecan]

Dark

But they all have their different occasions

Sometimes, I just want something sweet with nuts

And sometimes, up to 100% is what I want

[formal blaze]

specific brand ?

[narrow pecan]

Not really. I guess most of them aren’t even international

[cosmic lotus]

Oh boy its still joe mama

when does it eeend

[topaz aurora]

It'll change in an hour and a half

[narrow pecan]

Yep. At 0:00 UTC

[cosmic lotus]

Oh yeah UTC 0

[narrow pecan]

(2 am for me)

[formal blaze]

@high verge hello? :(

[high verge]

hi sorry

hmm

i have no idea what's going on

[formal blaze]

:(

[high verge]

which endpoint is it

[formal blaze]

Give me a second

[tranquil thicket]

lol im suprised no one claimed the username python#0001

[formal blaze]

https://www.facebook.com/api/graphqlbatch/

[narrow pecan]

It’s not really that fun to have tbh

Oh wait, you have it

Wish your name were vector
@formal blaze I just realised my name’s been Vector for half an hour hahahah

[formal blaze]

I was gonna ask if it's your real name xD

[narrow pecan]

Vector...?

[formal blaze]

Vector

[cosmic ravine]

and his brother triangle

[narrow pecan]

Ahahah

No. My name isn’t vector

[cosmic ravine]

eh, was eating, Pizza Steve
I'm not really proficient in json magic, but doesn't it tell you any kind of encoding?

[formal blaze]

LMAO

That was actually funny

eh, was eating, Pizza Steve
I'm not really proficient in json magic, but doesn't it tell you any kind of encoding?
@cosmic ravine What I get from it is that it's binary

[cosmic ravine]

well, gzip can look like that, too

[formal blaze]

I don't have any idea about what gzip might be . .

Alright I got it

But why would it be gzip if the response should be json ?

[cosmic ravine]

performance, I guess

it may actually be json, but compressed with gzip

or some other encoding - usually you have headers telling you about it

usually

:\

[formal blaze]

1 sec

OH MAN

You're a legend

accept-encoding: gzip, deflate, br

[cosmic ravine]

!

it was honestly just a wild guess, I remember having read something about it

[formal blaze]

OH MY GOD

I GOT THE JSON

AKDJFOIFDIODSJIOFOFIOSDF

I'm about to cry xD

[cosmic ravine]

hah, grats :D

[formal blaze]

I swear to god xD

Thank you so much !

[cosmic ravine]

sometimes a blind chicken also picks a corn

'scuse me if that doesn't make nearly as much sense as in my mother tongue

[formal blaze]

It actually does

But not in this situation xD

[rough sapphire]

2

[unique warren]

zuckerberg eye?

[narrow pecan]

Hmmm

[coral void]

@young shoal found it.. it's "HTML/XML tag tree highlighting" so apparently it doesn't work with the python code

[young shoal]

wait what

noooooo

[coral void]

I bet there could be a plugin for it though

there doesn't appear to be one ._.

[young shoal]

it looks so good though ;-;

[simple sand]

has anyone ever worked with postgresql

[eternal wing]

yes

[narrow pecan]

At least one person has

[eternal wing]

I assume many xD

[narrow pecan]

Indeed

[eternal wing]

and why not VesterGurkan
this rebranding pains me 😢

[simple sand]

@eternal wing could u help me set it up

[eternal wing]

el oh el

maybe

[simple sand]

oh if u could #databases

[eternal wing]

I have set it up once.

I did mine through terminal doe

[narrow pecan]

Ofc

[eternal wing]

oh, almost forgot: I use arch btw

[topaz aurora]

Just found out Contabo accepts payment through PayPal. Well, guess I'm not getting one until next year.

[eternal wing]

raspberry pi

[topaz aurora]

Which is perfectly fine since that's also when my AWS Free Tier expires

[eternal wing]

does AWS free tier expire?

Mine started charging me like 5 cents a month for data usage so I just cancelled it

[topaz aurora]

does AWS free tier expire?
@eternal wing After a year

[eternal wing]

oh dang, I did not know. I cancelled mine before then

doesn't google have their own free hosting as well?

[topaz aurora]

GCP, yes

[eternal wing]

I never used it, but it seemed like a good alternative

I probably will never use azure due to the daily emails I get from them xD

[topaz aurora]

raspberry pi
@eternal wing I could but then again why not just get a dedicated server PC?

Electricity is expensive though

[eternal wing]

doooo it. build it. steal your neighbors electricity jkjk

but doooo it xD

technically my server is barely utilized, but I do not trust anyone that much xD

[icy osprey]

pi besf hostinf

[eternal wing]

I still need to use my pi 😢

[winter terrace]

hey yall

do you guys hate not having to bleach out your eyes?

me too!

try

whatever the fuck this demon creature is:

[unique warren]

Try what?

[winter terrace]

i found a sans kirby plush online and thought yep it needs to be grabbing me and dragging my soul into the abyss

[rough sapphire]

has anyone seeen my dad

[unique warren]

Nein.

[prisma geyser]

Okay so here's some completely out of topic question :

I need some suggestions from you guys. I am planning to build an app that allows user to rent stuff from other users. But am unable to think of any solution that will ensure that the user(who rented the stuff) would safely return back the stuff to the user(who rented it out). Any ideas?😅

[wooden silo]

@prisma geyser Put collateral in escrow matching the value of the borrowed item.

Or, rented item.

[prisma geyser]

Hmmm..something more efficient?

If I use collateral or a safety deposit then it will make the user base very low. People are renting because they can't afford to buy that stuff.

[wooden silo]

A reputation system, maybe.

So people can rate lenders and borrowers.

It's not a silver bullet, but maybe it can help.

[mild abyss]

i just realized there arent much reviews about artix linux hmmm

[solid pollen]

Lol what did you expect

Artix devs aren’t the manjaro devs

[mild abyss]

nah it is great. i am just looking for someone who is using it as their main distro

like some youtuber i can subscribe to

[solid pollen]

if no one use it as their main distro there’s probably a reason

[mild abyss]

heh firefox shows the same image file better than chrome. thats weird

[simple sand]

this is halirious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cvJ6tfNG28&ab_channel=MoyaHodek

[rough sapphire]

who wanna listen to 100 ~gecs~

[edgy crest]

lol that guy is so .. lol

[simple sand]

ye ikr

[rough sapphire]

100 ~gecs~
Don't drink tap water at Jerry Garcia's house

[crimson magnet]

Drink the pound water

[oak tangle]

Didn't someone talk to you about randomly dropping invite codes already, @rough sapphire?

Ah, yeah

https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/267624335836053506/291284109232308226/759045029342871553

[narrow pecan]

My sister just asked “what does butter weigh?”
I obviously answered “50 grams”

[crimson magnet]

nope, it depends

[round rose]

it actually weighs three

just three, no measurement

[cosmic lotus]

no it's three fiddy

[round rose]

the same three that snails sleep for

[young shoal]

it's unitless, of course

[narrow pecan]

Ah, yes

It weighs 3

[round rose]

yes

[topaz aurora]

@plucky ridge Just a few prerequisites, you know how functors work roughly right?

[solid pollen]

are they pure though

[plucky ridge]

You... might have to refresh my memory on that too... Sorry

[topaz aurora]

It's cool, it's cool; functors are essentially specialized "container" types that implement a map function

Lists for one, are examples of functors

[plucky ridge]

Okay, that makes sense

[quick ledge]

how does list implement a "map" function?

type?

[topaz aurora]

Now, there are also other examples of functors, like Maybe a, or Either a b, and they abstract away different things

[plucky ridge]

I'm familiar with those from Elm, ReScript and Rust

[topaz aurora]

Maybe is Option and Either is Result in Rust, which is pretty neat

Anyways, the thing about the map function in terms of functors is that they're very limited

map can only transform a function that operates from a to b, into a function that only operates on f a to f b, however, a dillema would arise once you start using map on functions of multiple arguments

[edgy crest]

i planned out my plan to install linux, the only difficulty is my internet >.<

[topaz aurora]

-- If `map` has the signature:
pure> :t map
map :: (a -> b) -> (f a -> f b)

-- and `+` has the signature:
:t (+)
(+) :: Int -> Int -> Int

-- `map (+)` would look like:
pure> :t map (+)
map (+) :: f Int -> f (Int -> Int)

[edgy crest]

but i will find a way to overcome it

is linux mint good?

[quick ledge]

I've heard good things and bad things

[quick bay]

pure what does your name in blue mean?

[quick ledge]

about Mint

[edgy crest]

hmm

then ubuntu?

[topaz aurora]

Now, if you apply another argument to that map (+), specifically a container that supports it, there's absolutely no way out of f (Int -> Int)

@plucky ridge ^

[edgy crest]

pure which distro do you use

[topaz aurora]

Manjaro like Hem

[quick ledge]

I use manjaro too

[edgy crest]

ok so i should install manjaro then?

[quick ledge]

ubuntu ain't bad or anything

[edgy crest]

hmm

this is tough

[solid pollen]

Manjaro like Hem
@topaz aurora I read this message first, I was like "how on earth can the distro itself like Hemlock"

[edgy crest]

haha

wait,
you never know

[topaz aurora]

@plucky ridge Monads are a step above Functors in a sense that all Monads are valid Functors. Monads basically allow you to temporarily "leave" the container, giving more flexibility in terms of what you can do with its values

-- `do` notation, which is just syntax sugar
addMaybe :: Maybe Int -> Maybe Int -> Maybe Int
addMaybe ma mb = do
  x <- ma         -- x, y are now just Ints
  y <- mb
  return (x + y)  -- now that we've applied the "regular function", time to go back

[plucky ridge]

Ooooooohhhhhhhh

So you're handling it one bit at a time

[topaz aurora]

This helps avoid the f (a -> b) deadlock

[plucky ridge]

I think I'll have to play around with that until it really sinks in

[topaz aurora]

Ye, it helps quite a lot

Also about the Python analogy, async functions are great examples of monads

[plucky ridge]

Okay so... ideally in any given function you should only have 2 arguments?

More or less?

[topaz aurora]

You can have as many as you want to be fair

[plucky ridge]

And this kind of lets you crawl down the chain until you get to the end and then work your way backwards?

Ah, okay

Yeah this is the level of stuff that still trips me up

[narrow pecan]

(you have an f now?)

[plucky ridge]

He added it mid conversation about 20 minutes or so ago in a different channel

[topaz aurora]

Also about the Python analogy, async functions are great examples of monads
Take for example this function, when you call delayed_return, you get a coroutine instead of the result immediately right?

async def delayed_return(delay: int, value: int) -> int:
    await asyncio.sleep(delay)
    return value

[plucky ridge]

Right

[topaz aurora]

Coroutines (or any other awaitable for that matter) can only be "unwrapped" within other coroutines through await (not counting asyncio.run), but in the end once you've unwrapped the values and performed your operations with it, you're still in the coroutine

async def combined():
    x = await delayed_return(1, 21)
    y = await delayed_return(1, 42)
    z = 62
    return x + y + z

but this time, you've composed together smaller coroutines into a bigger one that does more things

In the end, you run it with asyncio.run, which allows you to run the coroutine and obtain its result in non-coroutine waters

[plucky ridge]

Hmm, okay, that makes sense

[lunar shore]

Also , another problem

Prooobleeeeems .... I'm on Manjaro and Haskell GHC doesn't build without -dynamic . And I have to use cabal for using packages . And that means no arguments supported ig ... What could I do now?

I can't find anything on the internet

ghcup?

[topaz aurora]

Interestingly enough, that can be translated 1~1 in Haskell

delayed_return :: Int -> Int -> IO Int
delayed_return d v = do
  threadDelay (d * 1000)
  return v

combined :: IO Int
combined = do
  x <- delayed_return 1 21
  y <- delayed_return 1 42
  let z = 62
  return (x + y + z)

Now, you can't just pluck out Int out of IO Int much like you can pluck an int from a coroutine through asyncio.run, it doesn't allow for that.

[lunar shore]

Sorry I interrupted tho

[topaz aurora]

However, since Haskell's entry point main is in IO, much like you'd define a main coroutine, you can pluck and place values in and out of that however you want, but ultimately, the Haskell runtime and asyncio.run drives those two things respectively

@lunar shore Install ghc and cabal from ghcup, it should allow for static linking

@plucky ridge ICYMI ^^

[lunar shore]

Hmmm lemme try removing the AUR one and try that

[plucky ridge]

Interesting

[topaz aurora]

Feel free to shoot some questions, I'm gonna get some food

[lunar shore]

And thanks to you for answering , irdk how I would've figured the answers out if you didn't help me ngl

omg ghc worked thx so much

[shell raptor]

@lunar shore one trick that helped me in ghci, just wanted to share:

:set prompt "\ESC[44m λ \ESC[m "
:set prompt-cont "\ESC[42m λ|\ESC[m "

turns your prompt into a lambda without listing the imported modules

[lunar shore]

Hmmmmm

Cool

Yeah I'd save that

[shell raptor]

Actually, you can extract the Int using System.IO.Unsafe. But this is a big no-no

[lunar shore]

wow

[shell raptor]

I think it's used to interact with C libraries or somethign

but I'm not an expert on it

[lunar shore]

oh so you can use C libs

wow

[shell raptor]

You can actually emulate IO in Python

[lunar shore]

wow

[shell raptor]

Also, if you're already familiar with do-notation, it's extremely similar to yield, yield from or await

[lunar shore]

Hmmm

[shell raptor]

If I remember correctly the async/await syntax in general was inspired by Haskell

[lunar shore]

wow

[shell raptor]

https://hackage.haskell.org/package/async

[lunar shore]

woah

[shell raptor]

lakmatiol will correct me

[graceful basin]

yeah, haskell, though the concept got into mainstream from F#, which took it from haskell

[lunar shore]

Ah haskell rip-off...

[graceful basin]

F# is not really a haskell ripoff

pretty sure it is not even pure

[lunar shore]

Not the Language

[shell raptor]

more like OCaml ripoff 🙂

[lunar shore]

The async

[graceful basin]

a lot of things come from haskell

generics, list comprehensions are two pretty big ones

[lunar shore]

wow

Haskell devs do be smart

[graceful basin]

HS is really old

[lunar shore]

But still developed right?

[graceful basin]

ye

[lunar shore]

I see

[shell raptor]

isn't haskell pretty much as old as python?

[graceful basin]

though less since there is code that must be kept up to date in it

[lunar shore]

Ow

[graceful basin]

haskell is afaik older

[shell raptor]

wikipedia says it started in 1990

[graceful basin]

huh, about the same then

oldest FP is afaik standard ML

[shell raptor]

not counting lisp

if you mean purely functional, maybe yes

[topaz aurora]

The concept of a purely functional language has been around for much much longer hasn't it?

[graceful basin]

I meant more hildney-miller type systems

ye, that is probably much older

[shell raptor]

1930s 🙂

[stark prawn]

Standard machine learning?

[topaz aurora]

if we had the computing power back then, OOP wouldn't annihilate everything in its path

[graceful basin]

ML is the language that eventually became OcaML

[stark prawn]

Ah okay,

I always thought machine learning was from the 60s

Except they didn't have any CPU cycles compared to now.

[shell raptor]

[undone berry]

1958 was the first paper on perceptrons

[stark prawn]

1950s the first neural network was made apperantly

[undone berry]

Cpu power isn't the reason it didn't progress though

[stark prawn]

Data availablity aswell

[solid pollen]

You don't need huge dataset to build good NN tbh

[stark prawn]

Btw does your new nickname mean tea is a soup?

[shell raptor]

Tea with tealeafs is soup

[stark prawn]

More data does give an incentive to develop the field

[eternal wing]

tea is soup

[undone berry]

No. The paper that made NNs usable wasn't published. Called the ai winter. I have a great link I can send about the history if you like

When im back at my pc

[eternal wing]

what was early ML actually used for? Or was it unable to perform well enough to be useful?

[undone berry]

Digit recognition in the usps

[shell raptor]

I think lakmatiol didn't mean "machine learning" by ML 👀

[stark prawn]

Interesting

[eternal wing]

well now we are on ML

[stark prawn]

We know fix

[shell raptor]

oh

sorry for misunderstanding then 🥲

[undone berry]

Btw does your new nickname mean tea is a soup?
I missed this, but emphatically not and I'm somehow outraged and by the suggestion but can't quite logically refute it

[cosmic ravine]

tea or milk first?

[lunar shore]

Coffee

[mint lichen]

milk first, while you boil the water. it's more efficient

[eternal wing]

milk first, I will die on a hill for this

[shell raptor]

tea first, milk dont

[rough sapphire]

Hey guys can someone please link or provide any suggested networking resources or maybe a networking discord server?

[rough sapphire]

please?

[rich rover]

Check out #networks and ask your questions there

[mint lichen]

generally speaking, is variable_name or variableName used more? is it just a matter of preference?

just curious if I'm following conventions

[stark prawn]

In python variable_name is the preferred option.

!pep8

[royal lake]

PEP 8 is the official style guide for Python. It includes comprehensive guidelines for code formatting, variable naming, and making your code easy to read. Professional Python developers are usually required to follow the guidelines, and will often use code-linters like flake8 to verify that the code they're writing complies with the style guide.

You can find the PEP 8 document here.

[stark prawn]

But in general, if you join a project, stick to the style already used in that project.

[mint lichen]

thanks, forgot about pep8... I prefer variable_name anyways so good to know

[calm dawn]

hemlock is not alone with the ot names, it seems

[formal blaze]

If I get timeout exception from a specific site when I get request only when I'm using a proxy, Might it be related to the site itself ?

The proxy is literally working for every other request except for that specific site

[minor latch]

Could be the server not responding, or maybe it detected proxies. Try sending without any proxies and see if the error still occurs.

[undone berry]

Online lectures are such a fuckin waste of time. It's so much worse than just being given a chapter of a book to read. Sitting here for an hour whilst someone who can't use technology fails to livestream all so that some mug can ask a terrible question that amounts to "are you sure you're not wrong" every 20 minutes

[mild abyss]

@undone berry oh so im not the only one experiencing that hmmmm...

[undone berry]

alright - why the fuck can't I get virtualbox to stop doing this

[rough sapphire]

Do you guys think that a dual PC setup is always better to stream with as compared to single PC Streaming setup ?

[young shoal]

yeah

unless you don't have any money

[rough sapphire]

how much of it even matters

yt and twitch are mostly capped to 60 FPS

[stark prawn]

If you have a high corecount cpu not too much

[young shoal]

yeah but you can get higher definition

[stark prawn]

It's not about that, it's about the streaming software competing with resources with your games.

[young shoal]

^

[quick ledge]

don't play games, only stream

ez

[rough sapphire]

how do you see the list of roles

[quick ledge]

are you an admin?

i think you atleast need manage roles

[young shoal]

the owners have a lot of them

[plucky ridge]

You wouldn't want to see the whole list

It's absurd

Just too damn many

[rough sapphire]

why do you need so many

oh from all the events and stuff?

[plucky ridge]

Yep

Currently we have like.... 50 additional roles from the code jam alone

[rough sapphire]

yeah.. that does seem like a lot lol

[rough sapphire]

Ask API for roles

[plucky ridge]

We currently have 123

[rough sapphire]

wasn't there a limit on it ?

[plucky ridge]

Don't know

[rough sapphire]

of 50 roles I think

[plucky ridge]

There's a max of 50 channels per category

That might be what you're thinking of

[solid pollen]

124 actually

[rough sapphire]

let me see

[plucky ridge]

@solid pollen Unless you're seeing one I can't see

[solid pollen]

!server

[royal lake]

Server information
Created: 3 years, 8 months and 21 days ago
Voice region: europe
Features: BANNER, RELAY_ENABLED, VANITY_URL, DISCOVERABLE, COMMUNITY, INVITE_SPLASH, ANIMATED_ICON, WELCOME_SCREEN_ENABLED, PARTNERED, NEWS, VIP_REGIONS

Channel counts
Category channels: 35
News channels: 7
Text channels: 194
Voice channels: 72
Staff channels: 61

Member counts
Members: 91,519
Staff members: 80
Roles: 124

Member statuses
12,770
5,591
5,700
67,457

[plucky ridge]

That's.... weird

[solid pollen]

Uh

[plucky ridge]

I wonder why there's a discrepancy between !roles and !server

[rough sapphire]

lets see

[topaz aurora]

I think I remember seeing unused roles back when I was still Helper

Like two ones with no/default names lol

[plucky ridge]

Hmm

It should still be consistent between the two

[rough sapphire]

discord.errors.HTTPException: 400 Bad Request (error code: 30005): Maximum number of guild roles reached (250)

250

[plucky ridge]

!roles just snags them via api

As does server

Or wait...

Maybe !roles only syncs with the roles the DB sees....

Hmm

[solid pollen]

!source roles

[royal lake]

Command: roles

Returns a list of all roles and their corresponding IDs.

Source Code

Go to GitHub

bot/exts/info/information.py:80

[rough sapphire]

@plucky ridge can you use @royal lake to get some data ?

[solid pollen]

Doesn’t seem like it

[rough sapphire]

like use eval on it

[solid pollen]

Okay, I see ctx.guild.roles[1:]

[rough sapphire]

it removes everyone role

[solid pollen]

https://github.com/python-discord/bot/commit/debe73add8bf5c5f9b33e32201f1ce212758c8e4

Yup

[plucky ridge]

Ahhh, okay that makes sense

[solid pollen]

Everyone is a role

[rough sapphire]

should not do [1:]
tho

[solid pollen]

I guess we should substract one from !server then

I think it should, personally AG

[rough sapphire]

popping guild.default_role is a better way

[solid pollen]

Right

[rough sapphire]

Who is Deniz ?

His account seems deleted

[formal blaze]

@minor latch Hello, Are you available? I'm sorry if you mind pings

[minor latch]

yes, hello?

[formal blaze]

Do you remember my issue ?

[minor latch]

eh, dont think so

[formal blaze]

If I get timeout exception from a specific site when I get request only when I'm using a proxy, Might it be related to the site itself ?

The proxy is literally working for every other request except for that specific site

[minor latch]

oh right

did you fix that issue?

[formal blaze]

It works without the proxy

So I guess It's all about holding on the connection due to detecting the proxy

But the weird thing is, It used to work before but the error occured after a couple of days
Also, When I connect to the proxy with a browser extension.. It lets me in

[minor latch]

weird

when you connected to it a few days ago did you have the same browser extensions?

[formal blaze]

Yeah

[honest star]

bahahaha Dallas Stars did not win the Stanley Cup. All is well in the universe.

[mint lichen]

for goodness sake, i just want to test my rendering program, and I have to download a library twice as big as the compiler itself

it's still going 😠

[soft violet]

No mountain lookouts without mountains.

[mint lichen]

well, it finally finished, and now it won't compile...

ok so apparently this version won't compile with my compiler, but an earlier version will. i swear. to god.

guess i fell off the mountain..

[strange musk]

Wow, love the server title, especially when it's based on some previous questions 🙂

[mint lichen]

two hours later and i managed to compile the first library, now the second one requires me to use a different compiler version and a file that doesn't exist. i love programming

[hoary steppe]

@mint lichen i know,thats annoying when u have to test ur things

and more annoying if ur internet is slow as heck

[pearl creek]

This is why it's sometimes better to write your own code rather than use a giant library.

[hoary steppe]

no thats a different case man

for m it will automate and create and download needed things to achieve a goal and i gotta delete and uninstall everytime i finish testing

im not gonna code a whole framework from scratch xd

[mint lichen]

two more hours later and it still isn't fixed... at this point i'm just changing file extensions and hoping it does something...

This is why it's sometimes better to write your own code rather than use a giant library.
the library in question interfaces between 3d object files of various types and loads them into a single data structure. wish me luck writing that on my own... if we wrote all of our code we would NEVER get anywhere

also, the libraries are giant for a reason. no need to reinvent the nuclear reactor

[hoary steppe]

thats like saying

i mean like yeah its ok to use libs and writing ur own will back u to several references

bugs and glitchs

[mild abyss]

.... so anyone of you good in physics, help me next year

😩

[cosmic lotus]

Who are we throwing off a cliff?

[rough sapphire]

green

[hoary steppe]

ya

[rough sapphire]

hes pretty sus

[cosmic lotus]

No I saw green do trash

Get yellow

[rough sapphire]

im yellow

your accusing

your prety sus

[cosmic lotus]

No u

[rough sapphire]

i saw you vent in medbay

and i did a scan

hah

beat that

[cosmic lotus]

It's yellow

[rough sapphire]

no its red

trust me

if its not red you can vote me

cmon jim

ik you have been pondering about this

but do i really look like the guy to lie

[mild abyss]

NO ITS SALAMI GUYS

[rough sapphire]

yes its salami

[mild abyss]

I THOUGHT He went down to electrical

but then he just popped off to cafeteria

[rough sapphire]

he was pretending calibration

[mild abyss]

pretty sure he vented

[rough sapphire]

yeah

saw him doing it in medbay

[mild abyss]

salami DIE!

[cosmic lotus]

I am dead

[rough sapphire]

PINK IS IMPOSTER

he killed salami

right in front of me

among us fanart is more realistic than the art

[hoary steppe]

i mean

its yellow

prob

he kinda sus for blamming pink

im gonna vote yellow

[rough sapphire]

bro

but there is photograph

that show proof

[hoary steppe]

u kinda sus

i voted

[rough sapphire]

no u

i vote you

ur sus

[hoary steppe]

i was doing tasks

then went to cams

and saw u vent

[rough sapphire]

i did a scan

[hoary steppe]

where

[rough sapphire]

but cams dont show any vents

like litterally

how can you see through cams?

[hoary steppe]

[rough sapphire]

your very sus man

[mint lichen]

what a complex situation

[hoary steppe]

uh

well mm

security room

cams

red

vents

u

like that

[rough sapphire]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[hoary steppe]

my words make sense

😎

[rough sapphire]

yes you words make cents

you rich

[hoary steppe]

im rich i know

thats why i own a pc thats is old as heck with oldass specs

[cosmic lotus]

cheese

[rough sapphire]

bread

[halcyon mantle]

i'm making a CLI game,

but how can i make the currency go up on its own

[rough sapphire]

how do you make CLI game bc you make ascii art that is very hard i am guessing

[halcyon mantle]

i have it

[rough sapphire]

not the ascii art

what lib?

[halcyon mantle]

huh?

none yet

[rough sapphire]

for cli game

[halcyon mantle]

none

raw python

[rough sapphire]

you are monster

[halcyon mantle]

lol

i'm having issues with currency going up

[cosmic lotus]

why would you eat it raw

[halcyon mantle]

it doesn't go up unless there's some kind of user input

[rough sapphire]

sorry i only use game engines

idek

[halcyon mantle]

boooo

[rough sapphire]

python is poop at game dev

its not useless

but poop

[halcyon mantle]

yeah it is poop

uh

its a bit broke

[vestal sparrow]

i am way out of my shoes here but idea: integrate with user time

[halcyon mantle]

wdym?

[vestal sparrow]

like idk have a script of some sort that inputs the time as user input or something

i dont even know if that is possible but if i were to to it that idea is valid i think

[halcyon mantle]

yes but you can't just change the value

on screen

it would have to refresh the console

[hoary steppe]

@halcyon mantle cool progress

[halcyon mantle]

:D

[vestal sparrow]

reprint every time but ya that will be laggy also

[hoary steppe]

u can make a game cli

[halcyon mantle]

yes and unusable

[hoary steppe]

its not laggy

oh nvm

[halcyon mantle]

big thonk moment

[hoary steppe]

cli games will atleast make cmd less hated

[halcyon mantle]

ya

[hoary steppe]

or if internet goes u can play at cmd ;-;

or if u live in a terminal

;-;

[halcyon mantle]

it's not local :(

[hoary steppe]

ah

[halcyon mantle]

i do live in a terminal though

[vestal sparrow]

what is the game like ? levels

[rough sapphire]

then why are you here in the gui world hmm?

[vestal sparrow]

and money should go up somewhat real time?

[halcyon mantle]

level is progress

[hoary steppe]

cuz sometimes

cli are amazing

[halcyon mantle]

yeah money goes up depending on your economy

[tulip patrol]

Hello everyone, I know this might seem a bit out of topic but I'm currently filling my resume and I have no idea what you call your grades in percentage???

[hoary steppe]

i like some clis simplicity and power

[tulip patrol]

percentage grade??

my country doesn't have GPAs

grade percentage?

[vestal sparrow]

and players economy is tracked by?

[tulip patrol]

percentage?

[halcyon mantle]

the amount of land they have

soon you'll be able to attack others to get more

[vestal sparrow]

so insted of money going up have it like 'accumlates' in a place and playes has 'collect' it

and then just give the money accumlated in bulk?

[halcyon mantle]

ay that's a good idea

[vestal sparrow]

that helpfull?

[halcyon mantle]

like a vault / bank

[vestal sparrow]

yup

[halcyon mantle]

nicee man

[vestal sparrow]

👍

[halcyon mantle]

thanks 🙂

[vestal sparrow]

happy to help

(first day on server)

[rough sapphire]

he expects 50 percent of profits for that idea

okay

[halcyon mantle]

lmao

[vestal sparrow]

na its fine

[halcyon mantle]

i'm hiring him

i haven't even thought about how attacks will work

@vestal sparrow ideas?

[rough sapphire]

when you bump into person they ded

[vestal sparrow]

lol

[halcyon mantle]

i could have it that when two people attack, the person with the highest strenth number wins, but that will be so boring and i want it to be more strategic

so idk

[vestal sparrow]

is it medieval setting?

[halcyon mantle]

yeah

[rough sapphire]

maybe add some sort of defense

and you have limited amount of defense

[halcyon mantle]

i cant exactly do bases, because

well.. its cli

[rough sapphire]

then use unity

unity is good

vey nice

and cool

also godot

or unreal

but unreal for big projeccts

are there any examples of cli games

[halcyon mantle]

i want it to be cli

and i dont think so

[rough sapphire]

i want to see how they work

[halcyon mantle]

i'm just saving player data to a file

[vestal sparrow]

ya how do you want attack to work

2 people real time?

[halcyon mantle]

its when the other person is offline

[vestal sparrow]

ohk

[hoary steppe]

man clis arent that hard

[halcyon mantle]

when they login a file is created and it checks to see if that file exists lol

[rough sapphire]

MULTIPLAYER CLI GAMES?

[hoary steppe]

ya cli is a software genius

command line

[rough sapphire]

is that possible

[halcyon mantle]

there's a multiplayer chat at least

[hoary steppe]

nothing special

u can

make anything in

li

cli

[halcyon mantle]

its mainly me speaking to myself though :(

[hoary steppe]

im also making a tool that is cli based

[rough sapphire]

dont you need eula to be implemented in your game or something to make multiplayer

i dont make multiplayer games

so i dont know

[hoary steppe]

@rough sapphire a question

about c++

[rough sapphire]

an answer

[halcyon mantle]

rules: dont hack the game. have fun

[rough sapphire]

idek c++

[hoary steppe]

so do u need to set up a project for c++

[rough sapphire]

huh?

[hoary steppe]

what again do u do

didnt u said u do c or c#?

[rough sapphire]

i dont say that

[hoary steppe]

oh i prob got mixed then

[rough sapphire]

unity is c# tho

[hoary steppe]

ya

[rough sapphire]

c++ is unreal

[hoary steppe]

i like unity and i also like unreal cuz of graphics

[rough sapphire]

c# = c++
++

get it

heh

quality joke

[vestal sparrow]

ok idea: before a person logs off or something they have to buy temporary guard or hier them they will be there for the time depending on price and will have different speciality of deffence and that is where the attacker has to guess what is the most likely deffence and attack accordingly

[halcyon mantle]

okay

[rough sapphire]

wow your this is quality ideas

you should make a game like this

60x your fired man

[halcyon mantle]

:(

but its my...

[vestal sparrow]

guard may be like expire or something like either deffending the city or retire and have to get new ones every once a while and that will also keep the money flowing

[rough sapphire]

on behalf of the epic gamer man community your fired

[vestal sparrow]

😂

[halcyon mantle]

so... what will the attack actually look like @vestal sparrow

[rough sapphire]

is it 2d

[halcyon mantle]

yes

[rough sapphire]

like this

[halcyon mantle]

well it only has a few lines of writing

which is currency xd

[rough sapphire]

like this

[vestal sparrow]

lol

[halcyon mantle]

among us

at this point i might as well make battleships lmao

[vestal sparrow]

that could be funny the king/mayor or whatever sneekly attacks the defender😂

[rough sapphire]

oo a king/mayor

that could be good

[halcyon mantle]

i'd prefer the name

"hero"

[rough sapphire]

you get mayor if you do 49.99 per month

[halcyon mantle]

lmfao

[rough sapphire]

stonks

[vestal sparrow]

lol

[halcyon mantle]

what about

game name?

[rough sapphire]

epic gamer game

wait

im thinking

[vestal sparrow]

killer monopoly

[halcyon mantle]

it's medieval styled remember

[vestal sparrow]

something 'good' with one word making it really dark

😂

[rough sapphire]

the medivial game

the simplistic name