they can learn
#ot1-perplexing-regexing
rough sapphire
still sky
I think google trained an AI to speak
rough sapphire
what how
still sky
not speak freely though
still sky
just like a smoother TTS
still sky
kinda
rough sapphire
imagine how long that took
still sky
I remember seeing a video about Microsoft and OpenAI making something that writes Python code for you
based on docstrings, function names, arguments, annotations
I think it was using the GTP-3 model
rough sapphire
i used the code to make the code
still sky
rough sapphire
this is so cool
edgy crest
@tranquil orchid i didnt even understand how to even create the screen
still sky
AI can create code, music, words
tranquil orchid
@edgy crest Its pretty easy
rough sapphire
now ai is going to take over our developers
still sky
tranquil orchid
one sec lemme get you a quick template
edgy crest
ok
tranquil orchid
import arcade
class Game(arcade.Window):
def __init__(self, width, height, title):
super().__init__(width, height, title)
window = Game(SCREEN_WIDTH, SCREEN_HEIGHT, SCREEN_TITLE)
arcade.run()
```Just makes the windowAnd then all the events are functions inside the Game class
like on_draw on_update on_key_press etc
edgy crest
oof i havent started understanding oop yet
tranquil orchid
ah maybe do that first
edgy crest
yea
tranquil orchid
cause arcade is a lil more advanced than pygame
edgy crest
yea
tranquil orchid
But so much nicer once you know how to use it
edgy crest
i think so
can you also tell me where to start to learn oop?
i tried some youtube tutorials but i got only more confused
tranquil orchid
Uhhh i can't remember where i learnt
versed saffron
I started learning about it when i got into (g)ui stuff
Like you can run a game/ui without them but it’s super hard to organize and becomes exponentially harder when you get into more complicated stuff
tranquil orchid
there we go just quickly added the collision detection and reset
edgy crest
import arcade
class Game(arcade.Window):
def __init__(self, width, height, title):
super().__init__(width, height, title)
window = Game(SCREEN_WIDTH, SCREEN_HEIGHT, SCREEN_TITLE)
arcade.run()
```Just makes the window
@tranquil orchid okie i learnt enough oop now to understand this
i just want to know whats super() here
edgy crest
maybe
edgy crest
oohk
oblique sail
This isn't a place to advertise your server. @late quest
late quest
oh sorry
mild abyss
what i noticed is that the activity isnt that as much very active
compact jetty
but the number of people that are active are the same
mild abyss
theyre active but not conversing that much
mild abyss
i only notice that it is more active around the timezones near the US and the western side of Europe
during their daytime hours
compact jetty
ye kinda
grave sleet
Anyone participating in hacktoberfest?
olive schooner
What’s that
mild abyss
Anyone participating in hacktoberfest?
@grave sleet what that?
solid pollen
Well, you don’t need any skill to actually enter, you can take a look at projects with a lower entry bar
grave sleet
Yeah time is the only thing stopping me but I so wanna do this but the projects are always huge code bases I come across
shell raptor
In JS, you can do
const [x, ...xs] = myArray;
but not
const [...xs, x] = myArray;
Why? That doesn't make any sense to me
!e
my_array = [1, 2, 3]
x, *xs = my_array
print(x, xs)
*xs, x = my_array
print(x, xs)
royal lakeBOT
@shell raptor :white_check_mark: Your eval job has completed with return code 0.
001 | 1 [2, 3]
002 | 3 [1, 2]
wdym?
wooden silo
quick trout
@shell raptor
young shoal
huh
shell raptor
I'm listening
topaz aurora
and thus, @shell raptor waited, patiently, waiting for a response
mild abyss
still waiting
edgy crest
still
mild abyss
waiting
edgy crest
loses patience (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
mild abyss
but realizes that he can do something else than waiting ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ)
edgy crest
waiting for eternity
boreal swift
taking a while but it'll happen
edgy crest
whats going on here
mild abyss
as of this moment, fix error is still waiting
edgy crest
even saitama cant defeat me haha
lofty dirge
In some circumstances maybe
undone berry
python isn't very good for competitive programming - it's too slow
lunar shore
ik , but the syntax makes it easy to think about the solution
But
Go is fast right?
lofty dirge
Depends on competition I guess
undone berry
ik , but the syntax makes it easy to think about the solution
you literally just said it was good
lofty dirge
Competitive programming is so broad
undone berry
the syntax doesn't matter for competitive programming
all that really matters is the solution
lunar shore
I see
undone berry
the vast majority of stuff is in C++
lunar shore
Doesn't C++ take time to compile?
undone berry
competitive programming usually refers to algorithmic competitions - the kind of thing you see on Kattis
it's relatively specific
honest star
is it mostly because of the speed of C/C++ as well as the inclusion of the standard library, right?
lunar shore
I mean , STL is really helpful , but compilation surely takes time
undone berry
It's usually C++ because it gives you all of the tools you need to do your magic fuckery - but is also very fast
lofty dirge
Compilation is generally pretty quick
topaz aurora
I mean , STL is really helpful , but compilation surely takes time
@lunar shore only on large projects with a lot of templates
topaz aurora
It's as procedural as C
mild abyss
what are we arguing hmm
lunar shore
.org*
topaz aurora
Even Rust is arguably more functional than Go
lunar shore
wow
undone berry
there's nothing on the main site about it being functional
solid pollen
uhh...Then Elm or Haskell?
@lunar shore kotlin
lunar shore
I mean , I need to learn a functional programming lang , I am so curious to see the syntax and stuff + how it manages stuff
Kotlin?
Hmm
lofty dirge
Or c#
mild abyss
@solid pollen wow new color i forgot
solid pollen
Yes 
lunar shore
Or F#
mild abyss
Akarys is genuinely my god now
solid pollen
Haha, I’m very far from it
topaz aurora
C# as an entry is alright since a lot of functional stuff can be applied there
honest star
my one friend is trying to convince me to learn scala
topaz aurora
There's also Scala if you like the JVM
lunar shore
I think I'd go with Kotlin , heard good things about it + I can do Mobile dev
topaz aurora
or Clojure
undone berry
Scala looks interesting - weird stuff with Spark
lofty dirge
I have dislike of JVM but that comes from supporting Tomcat stuff
undone berry
Spark is still pretty big in the distributed processing world - as is hadoop - so you're kinda stuck with the JVM
and by "still pretty big" I mean it's the only thing I'm aware of in that world
lunar shore
Waaaiiiit a minute .... Kotlin could be used as a JS alternative?!?
lofty dirge
I must have some JS compiler
topaz aurora
@lunar shore By the way, if you ever consider learning Haskell, I really suggest starting with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgu82wiiZ90
topaz aurora
Haskell?
lunar shore
mhm
topaz aurora
It's a general purpose language much like Python
topaz aurora
There are libraries for web development like Yesod, and there's also tensorflow bindings
lunar shore
Good
solid pollen
Waaaiiiit a minute .... Kotlin could be used as a JS alternative?!?
@lunar shore yes, but the tech isn’t really usable right now
solid pollen
Kotlin is more general purpose than haskell IMHO
topaz aurora
try and guess where my namesake is from once you're all caught up with that series
lunar shore
@topaz aurora And a very unrelated + dumb question but I'm curious , how did u add neovim status like VS Code?
solid pollen
Probably an extension
topaz aurora
lunar shore
Oh I see thanks
left jacinth
can sb suggest me a good JS discord? you are allowed to DM, as the link is blocked with a high chance
undone berry
SpeakJS: https://discord.gg/dAF4F28
This is for just general JS - I have more links for specific frontend frameworks if you like
left jacinth
thanks!
candid sigil
hey how can I add that little speaker icon beside mine channel
quick ledge
add the emoji
candid sigil
how?
round rose
From discord even
quick ledge
would that work?
round rose
Yeh
candid sigil
let me try
round rose
🎉
quick ledge
won't it come as :jsjsj: instead?
round rose
\🎉
candid sigil
there isnt a speaker emoji in discord
candid sigil
ye the first one works
candid sigil
no it worked @round rose thx
quick ledge
because thaat is unicode
narrow pecan
What didn't work?
candid sigil
but not for 💠
quick ledge
not discord's :emoji: code
narrow pecan
\💠
quick ledge
\💠
@narrow pecan try this
narrow pecan
Try this
candid sigil
ok thx where do u get that
narrow pecan
It's the emoji, but with a \ before it
candid sigil
oh that worked
round rose
@quick ledge the emoji code won't work, if you copy the symbol from an actual message it copies the unicode for me
narrow pecan
\😀 would be \😀
quick ledge
nah, pasting the emoji results in emoji code
round rose
If you then paste the emoji in discord, it will automatically convert it to its regular emojis unless you screen them
It doesn't for me
narrow pecan
😀
quick ledge
liar
narrow pecan
This is the emoji in a code block
round rose
time to fire up obs
quick ledge
that's what you want me to think
time to fire up obs
@round rose looks photoshoped to me
round rose
ight you got me there
candid sigil
🎮 ,
\🎮
lofty dirge
Horray, got my iPhone homescreen cleaned up
honest star
;_; one day work will let me upgrade to iOS 14 and make my workphone aesthetically pleasing
lofty dirge
just down to two screens
honest star
did you go with any particular color scheme?
narrow pecan
Why can't you upgrade?
honest star
work hasn't authorized the iOS upgrade yet. Security IT policy.
lofty dirge
Color Scheme?
wasn't aware that was option
no, just cleaning up my 7 pages of home screen
young shoal
bruh
honest star
from what I've seen you can apply like a nice color scheme and get super custom with it
young shoal
my friend won some fanart from a thing and she got a cool bg
scenic blaze
She should have won the lottery instead, smh
round rose
Missed opportunity
quick ledge
smol brain move
young shoal
no?
rich rover
Numbers are numbers, and this isn't weird at all
mental bison
numbers in general are weird
mental bison
perfect numbers are numbers who the sum of all of their divisors except themselves equal themselves
I have
rich rover
Yeah, it's messed up
mental bison
it is weird
mental bison
I've started to doubt that you can doubt anything in modern mathematics
rich rover
There's a theory in Geometry that took about 900 pages to prove
The equation is the size of your pinky
mental bison
what is the equation
plucky ridge
Last Theorem
Did he die after making it?
plucky ridge
Name checks out then
mental bison
I bet you could make a fractal with that information somehow
rich rover
Possible
The thing is
Fermat said that the equation could be proved in a single line
But he died before saying it
round rose
World's greatest bait
quick ledge
he died before saying it?
rich rover
Yup
quick ledge
damn these ghosts
young shoal
🤔
quick ledge
saying shit in the after life
rich rover
World spent 358 years to solve an equation
young shoal
no...that's not how that works
mental bison
First we have to kill a few trees to get the paper to prove that we could solve it in a single line
then we can kill a few more to find that single line
compact jetty
1 tree = 1 page,
u sure?
mental bison
I wish we could go back to the days of mathematics where all we had to worry about was whether the sum of 2 multiples of n was a multiple of n
compact jetty
nooo
mental bison
1 tree is actually about 10,000-20,000 pages in case anyone was actually wondering
rich rover
A tree gives the number of pages that you want
rough sapphire
15000, 1/3% margin of error
tame shadow
what is the difference between <@&267628507062992896> and <@&267629731250176001> ?
young shoal
nice pings
remote socket
D:
plucky ridge
Thanks
viral parrot
plucky ridge
Moderators enforce the rules across the server, Admins typically take care of more behind the scenes and administrative stuff
(but we also moderate, if we want)
plucky ridge
Don't see why not
tame shadow
I think we can share that
@oak tangle I'd be glad
plucky ridge
Also yeah, you just pinged like... 20+ people
tame shadow
also sorry for pinging :d
plucky ridge
It happens, now you know
oak tangle
Helpers
• Helpers participate in Python-related channels (e.g. Help Channels, Topical Channels) and help other members of our community.
• There are no real requirements for the level of activity a helper has to have, although we do expect their activity level to be more than "nothing".Moderators
• Moderators moderate our community and participate in moderation discussions in #mods.
• While moderators don't need to have high levels of activity, we do expect some form of consistent activity. This means that consistently being active a few times a month is better than having one day with a lot of activity per year. Having some kind of consistent activity helps moderators bond with the rest of the moderation team and helps them to stay up to date with the moderation policy.
• Moderators are not required to fulfill the helper criteria in addition to this, although it's is obviously appreciated if they do.Admins
• Admins are expected to work on tasks that directly improve the community on a regular basis.
• Examples of these tasks include:
• Doing pull request reviews;
• Being involved in events;
• Overseeing road map items;
• Solving critical issues;
• Handling raids;
• Joining our meetings (if in a compatible timezone);
• Actioning issues on the organisation repo;
• Improving our infrastructure;
• Writing documentation or guides;
• Recruiting and on-boarding new staff members;
• Calling staff votes for nominees;
• Having one-on-ones with moderators.
• Admins are also expected to keep each other updated on the status of the tasks they are working on.
tame shadow
It happens, now you know
@plucky ridge yep, not gonna happen again 👍🏿
thanks @oak tangle
oak tangle
Owners
In addition to the regular Admin criteria, Owners also have to:
• Join staff/admin meetings as often as possible and lead those meetings.
• Help identify the most critical tasks and try to distribute them among the Admins during the weekly Admin meeting.
• Make sure that no one is "blocked" in performing their tasks
• Ensure that the community isn’t neglecting important responsibilities
• Manage partnerships, sponsorships and speak on behalf of the community in public settings
high verge
monday.com
tame shadow
sorry
remote socket
breh
honest star
high verge
it wouldn't surprise me if you could get sponsorship for all sorts of wacky team management products
no idea if monday.com is any good
plucky ridge
Yes, pings will still trigger in quoted text
bleak lintel
lol
young shoal
heh...
manic bloom
wait... it's possible to become an owner
narrow pecan
Yes, pings will still trigger in quoted text
@plucky ridge 90k+ people know
soft violet
One could even say it can leave a sour taste in said 90k+ people's mouths.
narrow pecan
I actually don't think it did
tame terrace
young shoal
y i k e s
tame terrace
wait... it's possible to become an owner
@manic bloom
Yes. But it's kind of like becoming a genie.
high verge
good old mass pings
narrow pecan
Yes. But it's kind of like becoming a genie.
@tame terrace You have to give out three wishes?
Alright, I'll list mine until tomorrow
tame terrace
On one hand, I have, what's the phrase
phenomenal cosmic powers
but on the other hand I can only use it to fulfill other people's wishes
being an owner for a community this big is kind of like running a small start-up. It's pretty much a second job.
narrow pecan
Yeah. I could guess that it must take a lot of time and effort
tame terrace
it's a greedy quantifier.
narrow pecan
It's a huge community
tame terrace
it takes as much time and effort as you have.
narrow pecan
Yeah
tame terrace
the real challenge is limiting your time and effort to something reasonable to prevent burnout.
tame terrace
I could spend 25 hours a day here and I'd still never do everything I wanted to do.
gentle moss
yeah, place is pretty huge now
narrow pecan
Yeah. That's basically the issue with everything. You gotta find a good balance
gentle moss
it's really nice seeing the amount of work that's been put into it though
sand goblet
But bisk, you never said good wine
gentle moss
oh nooooo
sand goblet
It could be basically vinegar
rough sapphire
i'll have three ever lasting bottles of wine please
Two more wishes
tame terrace
oldest trick in the genie book
narrow pecan
That would probably last forever, unless you're desperate
tame terrace
what book
rough sapphire
is 3 items one wish?
Why not
narrow pecan
oldest trick in the genie book
gentle moss
it's three things
tame terrace
don't ask wnb he's not even a real genie
rough sapphire
oh
narrow pecan
According to the Institute of Genie
tame terrace
I've heard genies are really racist anyway
narrow pecan
Welp. That's what the owners must be?
tame terrace
really racist?
gentle moss
i mean to keep them in the jar
i mean lamp
or w/e
that's pretty racist against djins
narrow pecan
tame terrace
that's just a simile
gentle moss
oh, i thought you meant the genie owners
it does make you wonder, what type of lamp do you have to rub to get a lemon?
narrow pecan
That should be an ot name, but I have no idea how to formulate it
rough sapphire
A normal one
narrow pecan
lemon's rubbie lamp
tame terrace
gentle moss
nice
tame terrace
I kinda want this
gentle moss
it's pretty cute
narrow pecan
Someone had too much time on their hands hahah
gentle moss
then you could paint your emoji face on it
tame terrace
I draw little lemon dudes in my engineer daybook
sand goblet
You've gotta keep them in a bottle, not a jar bisk
Can't rub them the right way in a jar
narrow pecan
Gotta run. See you tomorrow 👋
sand goblet
Then there's a price to pay
sand goblet
Gotta make a good impression
tame terrace
tame terrace
are you saying "nice, lemon!" or "nice lemon!"
honest star
book or movie?
honest star
ooooh, enjoy~
gentle moss
o/
eternal wing
we should release a winter fashion set of purely lemon based clothing. It could be a brand xD
rough sapphire
There's "winter melon", so why not name the brand WinterLemon
eternal wing
LuluLemon may have something to say about it, but I dont think we would be on their radar
rough sapphire
I agree
narrow pecan
I think PyDis branded merchandise would be really cool
With that, I mean blurple and python-like (without using the python logo in a disallowed way)
we should release a winter fashion set of purely lemon based clothing. It could be a brand xD
@eternal wing but yeah, this would be awesome
Winter themed blurple pydis clothes? That would fit the cold colors as well. We could have lemons for the summer (they fit) and pydis for winter
young shoal
I would wear a blurple hoodie
quick bay
yes yes would wear
narrow pecan
I’ve proposed the pydis winter hoodies idea in #dev-branding. Would be awesome if it turned into an actual thing
eternal wing
Oh dang, this should be a thing then haha
narrow pecan
Honestly, I really hope so. Would be awesome
eternal wing
@narrow pecan also wtheck, congrats on helper xD
narrow pecan
(I think more people would buy it than the lemon pillow, even though the pillow is awesome)
Thankss mate😄
eternal wing
Haha, lemon pillow is great, but there is no place for it in my life xD
narrow pecan
We should release this together with Django hoodie stickers (the “you tried your best” for code jam participants)
rough sapphire
did the results come out
narrow pecan
We’re discussing the hoodies now
The channel is open as well, so you could have a look or even join the discussion #dev-branding
lone verge
this weekend probably
woah
theres a bunch of sick python django hoodies online
sick
BRUH, this is awesome vvvv
rough sapphire
what is the best way to go about learning c#
lofty dirge
Microsoft academy has great courses
lone verge
@rough sapphire if you're learning for Unity, just learn as you go and build projects 🙂
digital lantern
Heeey girl, are you a GUI that supports inline figures, proper multiline editing with syntax highlighting, graphical calltips and more?
Because you are a qt
mellow spire
edgy crest
now there are games on coding..
unique warren
lol
digital lantern
ok
edgy crest
good one
plucky ridge
They're all inside jokes or things we found funny at the time
We're constantly adding more
rough sapphire
Oh
elfin pawn
Is there a unity support server?
Is there is, pls ping me with the invite link thanks
If there isn't, pls ping me telling me there isn't one. Thanks again
mild abyss
help :3
thin viper
Does somebody know an Android Webbrowser where I can turn off SSL verification?
My company's network doesn't have an SSL certificate or how it's called and I can't open some pages on my mobile (I can on my Laptop where they turned it off)
lunar jewel
a little question :
can we say functions are kinda similiar to modules ?
round rose
The only real similarity is that they both group together some semantically related code
lunar jewel
ehm i meant :
you created a python file a.py, that file have some code inside it, as far as i know that a file is now considered as a module, we call it with import module
or did i get it wrong ? 😄
round rose
But that also applies to classes and a lot of other things, so no, they aren't similar
lunar jewel
hm
round rose
when you import a module it is executed, yeah
soft violet
imports become class type module
round rose
but that doesn't mean that you should abuse that to treat modules like one-time callables
lunar jewel
are modules one time callable ?
round rose
A module is something you can import, be it a single file or a package
soft violet
for i in range(1000):
import random```If you import a module again, it's not executed a second time because it's cached in sys.modules
plucky ridge
But there's no benefit in doing so
soft violet
I knew there was some stuff going on to avoid duplicating work with imports.
round rose
you can use importlib to reexecute it I believe, but using modules as functions is extremely poor design
so no, they aren't similar to functions at all where it matters
they share some common traits, but that's it, they are significantly different semantically
lunar jewel
i cant understand you properly :d sorry i am trying to improve my english 😄
oh ok i googled it
round rose
In simple terms, they are meant to do very different things
lunar jewel
okay
round rose
A function is a reusable chunk of code that can take and return different parameters, while a module is more of a collection of useful functions, classes and other stuff you'd use elsewhere
plucky ridge
I guess?
I wouldn't worry too much about the swap since you can allocate some of your main partition
calm dawn
Reverse engineering is so satisfying
especially reverse engineering things like pyc files
plucky ridge
I for some reason never thought to do that
How is it encoded? Like is it just hex?
Or is it the actual bytecode commands?
calm dawn
okay one minute
I made this by printing out dis.dis of source code, then compiling with pycompile and performing a sort of hexdump. Then I transferred the results to notepad and removed the newlines that resulted from the hexdump encoding and printed it out. After that, I marked out things like strings and bytecode commands in pencil.
I gotta move the picture to my laptop
plucky ridge
No rush
left jungle
@plucky ridge Moved, Here is the ID 724865789341204480
plucky ridge
@left jungle I think that's the message ID. To get the user ID you have to turn Developer Mode on in your settings, right click their name and get the ID that way
Holy crap. That's an admirable amount of work
calm dawn
The code I used to generate this:
from dis import dis
from py_compile import compile
import os
def main():
with open('disMe.py', 'r') as file:
dis(file.read())
compile('disMe.py', 'disMe.pyc')
dump()
#os.system('hexdump disMe.pyc')
def dump():
printWidth = 16
with open('disMe.pyc', 'rb') as file:
ctr = 0
txt = ' '
for b in file.read():
print(hex(b)[2:].zfill(2), end = ' ')
ctr += 1
try:
txt += b.to_bytes(1, 'big').decode('utf-8')
except:
txt += '.'
if ctr == printWidth:
print(txt)
ctr = 0
txt = ' '
if ctr != 0:
for i in range(printWidth - ctr):
print(' ', end = ' ')
print(txt)
The code I disassembled:
a = 'Clearly a string.'
b = 'Another string.'
print(a)
724865789341204480 This is the User ID
calm dawn
Thanks, Hemlock!
plucky ridge
Huh. He's not showing up in our database. @left jungle Never would have thought that the function name would be in plain
left jungle
In Bans
plucky ridge
Or the variable names for that matter
plucky ridge
I'm looking into it
lone verge
@plucky ridge Here it is
@calm dawn thats incredible
plucky ridge
Right?
calm dawn
Thanks Jet!
lone verge
oh, sry i forgot that when you quote something it pinks
plucky ridge
I don't mind
lone verge
kinda like that guy named lemon 
simple sand
lol
lone verge
Thanks Jet!
@calm dawn 🙂
calm dawn
I eventually want to develop a microcontroller that interprets pyc bytecodes and executes python code natively (no interpreter)
lone verge
oh thats sick
calm dawn
before that, though, I need to finish my logic simulator
Python code, executed by a microcontroller, emulated in a logic sim, written in python, emulated in c, running in windows, running on an x86 cpu 😆
sooo many layers!
plucky ridge
Have you looked into MicroPython and CircuitPython?
calm dawn
yes! I use micropython on my esp32
plucky ridge
Niiiiiiiice
calm dawn
its very nice, but still interpreted
My goal is to eventually eliminate the interpreted layer
I honestly don't see this taking less than a year to complete
plucky ridge
@left jungle Let's try this way, what's their current user name? Should be the one with the #number after it
I'll need that bit too
@calm dawn Is that a proprietary architecture by Raspberry Pi?
I don't think I've seen that before
shadow jetty
is this ot talking about me
simple sand
how
young shoal
imagine if this was added before you were a helper
shadow jetty
it probably was
plucky ridge
Pretty sure it is
young shoal
that'd be pretty funny
lone verge
plucky ridge
@shadow jetty
lofty dirge
Stop-Computer
shadow jetty
that's like right before i was a helper
lofty dirge
@lone verge rust appears to be beating out Go
lofty dirge
Like Discord threw Go overboard in parts and converted to Rust
You see articles like this constantly. Python is dead, repent python sinners and convert to one true God of <whatever>
young shoal
java, king of boilerplate
plucky ridge
@left jungle The ban against him is valid and will not be revoked. He's more than welcome to send an appeal to our appeals email appeals@pythondiscord.com but it has to be them who comes to us, not a representative for them.
left jungle
what is the reason?
lone verge
@lone verge rust appears to be beating out Go
@lofty dirge yeah fs
plucky ridge
@left jungle You're free to ask them, but we don't discuss infractions given to other users
lofty dirge
I also never get appeal of look what well known companies uses
At most major companies, you will find a mix of everything
My group of 30ish devs, QA and SREs has .Net Framework/Core, Python, Java, Kotlin from angry former Java person and Powershell
solid pollen
Can you stare at this message for 5 minutes?
halcyon mantle
Ok so
solid pollen
Yup!
halcyon mantle
I need your second opinion
What is better an audiobook or should i get a paperback
plucky ridge
Ooo that's a tough call
honest star
depends how you like reading
halcyon mantle
I never read in my life
plucky ridge
I've always preferred audiobooks but that's mainly because I get restless
solid pollen
Depends on what you're reading too
honest star
I like audiobooks if I know I'm going to be busy, but I love reading from a paperback
plucky ridge
Then I'd suggest paperback
Since you'll likely want to be able to refer to it easily
halcyon mantle
Ok
solid pollen
Also, you'll remember it easier by reading than listening
halcyon mantle
Is that true
plucky ridge
My philosophy is if it's for reference it needs to be a book. Entertainment can go either way
solid pollen
In my experience it is 
halcyon mantle
Or maybe i should buy both versions
plucky ridge
If you've got the scratch why not. But for something like a driving book.... Not quite sure how much information you'd be able to properly absorb over audio. Paperback is perfect since you can also write notes in the margins and stuff
quick ledge
I’m a good driver but want to be better so i am getting this book
@halcyon mantle just don't read the book while driving
halcyon mantle
Lmao yeah
scenic blaze
https://i.redd.it/ayxwpuasjjn51.png Look Guido made a post about PYthon 4
quick ledge
how was the transition form 1 to 2?
plucky ridge
Moderate changes
Mainly new functionality
1 to 2 was more like a facelift, where as 2 to 3 was an overhaul
Someone managed to find the 1 to 2 transition announcement and I thumbed through it
Was actually really interesting
quick ledge
alright, thanks guys
plucky ridge
Also totally didn't realize list comps were implemented back in 2
Like 2.0
That's just nuts to me
calm dawn
@calm dawn Is that a proprietary architecture by Raspberry Pi?
@plucky ridge please clarify?
All of the work posted above was done with https://repl.it
polar vigil
versed flint
It’s for pyweek 30, I guess.
quick ledge
it is.
halcyon mantle
Is guido in here
halcyon mantle
👀
soft violet
I am under cover.
It's called a roof.
I am also under covers.
Bedsheets.
It is also dark. Under cover of darkness.
rough sapphire
Well punned
soft violet
Is it, though?
rough sapphire
*insert in-depth analysis saying "yes"*
lost vortex
idk where to post this so ill post here, can someone tell me if this code looks efficient or could I make it more smaller?
class RefreshToken:
def __init__(self):
self.api_key = api_key
self.oauth_client_id = oauth_client_id
self.oauth_client_secret = oauth_client_secret
self.refresh_token = refresh_token
self.access_token = ''
def refresh_access_token(self):
endpoint = f"https://oauth2.googleapis.com/token"
params_dict = {
'client_id': self.oauth_client_id,
'client_secret': self.oauth_client_secret,
'refresh_token': self.refresh_token,
'grant_type': 'refresh_token',
}
params = urlencode(params_dict)
url = f"{endpoint}?{params}"
res = requests.post(url).json()
self.access_token = res['access_token']
return self.access_token
Nitpicking here but that's a redundant f-string declaration at endpoint
errant wyvern
I wonder why it's so hard to contact the owner of a project, specially owners of programming languages
young shoal
they're busy
shell raptor
Yeah, billions of people tried to contact the creator of Lisp to no avail, they even wrote long books about him and built special buildings to communicate with him.
lone verge
Dont you guys just love programming discords
^ thats the hacktoberfest discord server smh
eternal wing
your response was spot on
young shoal
should have been "how young"
eternal wing
LOLOL
shell raptor
@young shoal well, at least old enough to use Discord...
young shoal
who says they have to communicate through discord
small fossil
@lone verge do you have a invite to the the hacktober fest disc
young shoal
not related to the screenshot of course...right?
eternal wing
ngl, that post is genuinely VERY concerning if it is not a joke.
quaint rivet
is this an official server?
eternal wing
I hope it is a joke, otherwise it looks like an older man is abusing a group of young girls.
lone verge
Yep its official
quaint rivet
nice
eternal wing
for sure report that please
best case: it is a troll that should get banned.
worst case: it is an actual adult trying to abuse children.
cosmic lotus
LOL what an odd project request
quaint rivet
they deleted I think
lone verge
Yeah i think they deleted it
narrow pecan
That message seems really concerning, if it’s not a joke
narrow pecan
Yeah
barren vector
yeaaa
narrow pecan
Hahahaha
rough sapphire
May I ask something about OOP
stark prawn
sure
rough sapphire
The link below* says:
The main aim of OOP is to bind together the data and the functions that operate on them so that no other part of the code can access this data except that function.
*https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/object-oriented-programming-oops-concept-in-java/
Not really the question yet, but is this true?
narrow pecan
In Python, you can access the objects’ data without problem. I believe there isn’t really a concept of “private variables” and such things
rough sapphire
Ah
narrow pecan
In some other languages though, you can have private variables and methods (I think)
stark prawn
That's what's known as encapsulations and is one of the OOP principles.
rough sapphire
Does that mean encapsulation isn't in Python fully?
Also, I realize that I used Java as source for a Python-y question
(Which might be different in implementations)
stark prawn
In python the convention is to not use variables of classes that start with a _ directly.
But there is nothing preventing you from doing it anyway.
stark prawn
Apart from me rejecting your pull requests.
rough sapphire
Hmm
Okay
More of a preference question now, I guess
But
Should I create a class of an object that is and has its properties already public?
(And which I can't "privatize" that object)
stark prawn
What do you mean by that?
rough sapphire
I think I've got to be more specific
I'm trying to create a class from an HTML element of a public website
The element has property names and values that I can access (and can make into a class)
stark prawn
A library like beatifulsoup can do this for you
stark prawn
DOM objects are already avaiable to you then.
let ele = document.querySelector(selector)```The thing is that
It seems counterintuitive with the concept of encapsulation
That I copy the data properties of that HTML element
To a class
Data properties that still can be accessed without interacting with the to-be-made class, nonetheless
I guess a class would be useless then with that
rough sapphire
For some purposes, I want to get specific properties of the HTMLElement and turn it into another class
Not really inheritance
More like just copying something from it
...This is a really obscure way of using OOP, I think
Nevermind my question
buoyant hill
A lot of people in the help channels use the phrase “go about”, as in “how would I go about doing that”. Now that I mentioned this, you won’t be able to not notice it.
wooden silo
That's because it's a common phrase in the English language.
And I probably won't notice it any more than I already did.
buoyant hill
You will. You say you won’t, but you will.
wooden silo
Ok
eternal wing
I probably use it in like half my help requests
manic bloom
I spat out water when I read the otn
sand goblet
It's a good reference
honest star
does anyone here know MATLAB syntax? I'm stuck trying to figure out if this line is doing something different from what I expect and I don't really know what to google
I'm trying to figure out how to turn this MATLAB code into something in python:
x = [1 4 9 15]';
y = [0, 3, 5];
x_2d = repmat(x, 1, length(y);
y_2d = repmat(y, length(x), 1);
f = sin(x_2d/8).*sin(y_2d/4)
I keep failing at the .* because my array shapes can't be broadcast together.
I know that the x = [1 4 9 15]' returns some sort of transpose matrix, but I don't know how to get something like that that'll work in python where I can do the element-wise multiplication
the answer is maybe this apparently?
import numpy as np
import numpy.matlib as npmatlib
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
# Setting up the Cartesian Grid
x = np.array([1, 4, 9, 15])
y = np.array([0, 3, 5])
#x_2d = np.tile(x, (1, len(y)))
#y_2d = np.tile(y, (len(x), 1))
x_2d = npmatlib.repmat(x, len(y), 1)
x_2d = np.matrix.transpose(x_2d)
y_2d = npmatlib.repmat(y, len(x), 1)
print(x_2d)
print(y_2d)
# Setting up the data
#f = (np.sin(x_2d/8)*(np.sin(y_2d/4)))
#f = np.sin(x_2d/8).dot(np.sin(y_2d/4))
f = np.multiply(np.sin(x_2d/8), np.sin(y_2d/4))
# Let's plot it
fig = plt.figure()
ax = fig.gca(projection='3d')
surf = ax.plot_surface(x_2d, y_2d, f)
plt.show()
ugh. I hate dealing with MATLAB.
simple sand
@cerulean blaze why do u say laptops are a scam??/
cerulean blaze
Theyre not worth the money
simple sand
why do u say that though
cerulean blaze
Unless you really need something portable then i would advise on building a desktop
I have £1100 worth of hardware here that cant even compare to any macbook you can buy
rough sapphire
raspi laptop
simple sand
raspi?
tranquil orchid
raspberry pi
rough sapphire
if u're doing just programming nothing intensive get something with a good screen don't focus too much on hardware, cloud is wayy cheaper option when u need to do some intensive stuff, specially if u live somewhere where the internet is crappy
a cheap computer
save ur eyes first
or use discord light mode
alpine notch
lol
simple sand
what light mode
mild abyss
I am a psychopath so i should use the light theme
calm dawn
Dark theme was the best thing ever developed with css
inland wolf
agree
edgy crest
i will be dead without dark theme
sour forge
you guys have a light theme?!?
edgy crest
yea but i never use it
edgy crest
0-0
unique warren
White theme is better
unique warren
I like how they describe themes.
unique warren
I don't taste white theme.
mild abyss
lemon + coconut taste good btw
edgy crest
+ 🥥 = 🤢
unique warren
Do you mean lime
twilit hull
no i mean kenshi
unique warren
I dont play kenshi
twilit hull
nah lemon gud
rough sapphire
If anyone uses freeoffice for linux.... or if you just see things that are not there...
The side panel for tips and tricks, the welcome screen you get on software at first execute sometimes...
I have yet in my life to see one that has no option to close it readily obvious.
I am close to uninstalling this over this.
Im literally searching tips and tricks forums on how to remove the tips and tricks
The x closes the open document.
Under view there is nothing, under tools and window nothing
All I can think to do is grab it by the width adjust and push it all the way to the right.
Thiks makes the software usable if ridiculous.
But holy shit my mind is blown rn.
When you put up a tips and tricks window, you put a fucking close button big as fuck
</done>
I'm definitely uninstalling this.
Literally every portion of that sidebaar is a place you can accidently click to load their website.
This is why proprietary software has no place on Linux. It just becomes trash that you cant even pay for to get a license to get them to fuck off.
unique warren
Linux users exist.
gentle moss
@rough sapphire why would you use FreeOffice over LibreOffice?
mild abyss
OnlyOffice or LibreOffice is what i will use
gentle moss
LibreOffice has like ~9 years of development behind its fork
and its forked from OpenOffice, which was released in 2002
so there's like ~18 years of development on it
mild abyss
OpenOffice is good. i just dont know how to customize the UI
gentle moss
OpenOffice is depreciated
mild abyss
sad
gentle moss
it ceased development 9 years ago
which is why you'd use LibreOffice now
FreeOffice is just some freeware garbage
mild abyss
OnlyOffice and LibreOffice hmm
it ceased development 9 years ago
@gentle moss what happened
mild abyss
OpenOffice.org (OOo), commonly known as OpenOffice, is a discontinued open-source office suite. ... In 2011, Oracle Corporation, the then-owner of Sun, announced that it would no longer offer a commercial version of the suite and donated the project to the Apache Foundation. Apache renamed the software Apache OpenOffice.
oh lol
it is still in development but not as much
last update was last year it wasnt major
gentle moss
LibreOffice is really the only one to even bother with
last stable was like a month ago
mild abyss
LibreOffice has a dropdown bug. hmmm for the fonts
you cant see the name of the fonts because of the color lol
mild abyss
well i tried comparing stable and fresh (their latest releases) and the dropdown for the fonts is buggy. you can only see the name of the fonts if you hover over your mouse.
fresh is the super buggy one
thats why i jumped over to onlyoffice
lunar shore
Guys what does a Junior dev need to be a senior?
gentle moss
experience.
lunar shore
I see , so a person who has 2 years experience is counted as a junior , while a person who has 8 years is senior?
gentle moss
8 years might not even be enough
lunar shore
wow
gentle moss
have a look at job listings for senior developers
that should give you an idea of what's expected of them
gentle moss
depends on the position
years of experience is also a bad measure of determining competency
lunar shore
Hmmm
Ummm...The requirements are not that much . Like e.g a senior Java software engineer job requires :
Core Java
Spring framework
Web services and API development
Git
Gradle/Maven
SOAP, XML, XSL
yeah but what does it specify you're required to do within the job
not just the technical skills
lunar shore
Hmmm
gentle moss
this harks back to what we were talking about the other day
there's more to being a developer than just having technical skills
lunar shore
Lemme see
gentle moss
· Drive all aspects of application design - including but not limited to high performance design, coding, caching mechanisms, security, encryption, error logging, debugging, scalability, development environment configuration and testing.
lunar shore
I see
So basically a Senior could do Networking , Software dev , Web dev , Encryption , Ethical hacking , Debugging ....
gentle moss
i think it's more about generally being very well versed in development in general
to the point where you can build architectures and plan the direction of development
lunar shore
Oh so that means being a senior developer , you can plan/manage the project all on your own + the technical skills you have
gentle moss
i guess
lunar shore
I see
gentle moss
also there's probably a load of stuff like code delegation / team management
lunar shore
Oh well
gentle moss
someone has to tell the juniors what to do :3
gentle moss
well you're still young.
just focus on doing your best at learning
things will spring from that
simple sand
hey what are webhooks in discord?
mild abyss
Captain Hooks
gentle moss
webhooks are like a reverse api
solid pollen
gentle moss
think about it, it makes sense
gentle moss
:D
topaz aurora
I still confuse webhooks for websockets
rich rover
What a way to end a conversation prematurely
young shoal
welllllll, i guessss they're like a reverse api
solid pollen
The thing is that an API can be going back and forth
gentle moss
yeah, so that's the key distinction
a webhook is one way
"do i have data to send? okay i'll send it"
solid pollen
Yeah
gentle moss
then you have an endpoint which handles that data
solid pollen
A webhook is just data bursting through the front door
gentle moss
if that helps @simple sand
rough sapphire
can printf() cause buffer overflow?
solid pollen
A lot of things can cause buffer overflow
topaz aurora
Can printf segfault?
rough sapphire
what is segfault
edgy crest
akarys == aka rys 
solid pollen
what is segfault
@rough sapphire basically, you fit too many things in a too small array, and the program doesn't know what is where anymore
Buffer overflows are the same thing, but controlled to corrupt another buffer
rough sapphire
are they harmful
solid pollen
A segfault crash the program
A buffer overflow usually give an attacker the control of a particular space in memory
rough sapphire
oh thats not good
solid pollen
So yes, they are both very harmful
rough sapphire
ok so i code c in raspi or vm?
edgy crest
wdym small array
rough sapphire
im guessing like a list
edgy crest
so then whats a big array
young shoal
usually in languages with less protection
edgy crest
supercomputer list ?
solid pollen
It is just "too small"
edgy crest
fix?
young shoal
python will crash as soon as you try it
solid pollen
A 1Tb array could be too small
rough sapphire
why
solid pollen
(or buffer, for that matter)
edgy crest
then what is a big array
young shoal
because you can always go len+1
edgy crest
theres no big array? bummer
solid pollen
Well, if you try to fit 1.2Tb of data in it, you won't have enough space, so they are too small
edgy crest
where do you need that much data
solid pollen
Well, modern arrays now resize by themselves
We are talking about low level stuff/medium-low level languages, like C
rough sapphire
oh thats good
solid pollen
where do you need that much data
@edgy crest dunno, just an example
edgy crest
hmm
rough sapphire
yeah i want to learn about more low level stuff
how can i learn more low level terms?
solid pollen
Unnnhh
Maybe take an ASM/C course?
I'm not really sure
I mostly learn those low level stuff in the fly, while learning other things
solid pollen
Did what?
rough sapphire
an example of when you were learning something and came across a term
what were you learning
solid pollen
Oh, for instance I learned this overflow related thingys while watching LiveOverflow's videos
solid pollen
Any time
topaz aurora
@lunar shore Haskell has two build tools named cabal and stack
lunar shore
I see
topaz aurora
cabal is the primary build tool that basically downloads the dependency sources for you, compiles, and links them together
topaz aurora
stack is a wrapper around cabal that basically does the same thing except it also maintains a list of LTS packages that are proved to be stable
lunar shore
Ohhhh